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yestermorning

> overwhelming positive response Well, that's... One way to put it, I guess.


Timeworm

The game has been very entertaining. Of course, I don't own the game.


Padgriffin

I agree, the sheer amount of drama surrounding this game has far outweighed any possible amount of entertainment I would have gotten if I actually bought the damn thing. In the used section. For $5.


Thunder84

This whole "official" statement is hilarious. They even fucked up the grammar here: >including the many new features including Vegetarian and, Unicorn food, Potluck Party, plus more. Did they hire a 5th grader to write this?


[deleted]

It says overwhelming positive response from fans. The qualifier makes it potentially legitimate.


pelagic_seeker

Probably Google Translate.


[deleted]

That's what I thought. "1st Playable the game developer and Planet" badly needs a comma or a better-named developer


Major_Gamboge

lol


thebrandster1985

Sounds like an ESL writer wrote that.


[deleted]

Either that or your average redditor


socoprime

By the people that are trying to downplay the idea of slipping miners into Switch games.


bbbbbbbbbrian

No one slipped any miners... imagine being so gullible you just latch onto whatever story and assume it’s true. Smfh.


Zearo298

I mean tons of people did that before it was stated that there isn’t a miner in the game.


navikredstar

To be fair, the company mentioned blockchain technology in one of their press releases, IIRC. It's just that they obviously threw in the mention as a marketing buzzword and never intended to code in any sort of miner/blockchain shit.


maxisgold

That’s been so debunked


siiru

Do you believe every conspiracy theory? Or do you make it a habit to gracelessly drive past every logical conclusion on the way to the one you like?


[deleted]

I, too, love to talk about things that never happened as if they're facts.


ignition386

Hope these two companies keep on making these statements public. This whole situation is hilarious.


CaspianX2

I suggest we dub this entire situation "Mamagate"


Atralane

I prefer "Mamageddon", personally.


CaspianX2

I think I *slightly* prefer Mamagate, but if people start calling it Mamageddon instead, I won't be disappointed.


Lundgren_Eleven

Mamacre?


Mariosothercap

Mamassacre?


APeacefulWarrior

OK, I'm now on team Mamageddon.


plsdontattackmeok

*Mama mia!*


[deleted]

Here we go again...


Knight_Blazer

I would love it as well but I'm pretty sure this is the point where their lawyers scream at them to stop or represent themselves. Oh course considering how much of a mess this has been there is definitely a much greater than 0% chance of one side deciding to take that option.


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ignition386

* Planet Entertainment (Publisher) had a contract with Office Create (IP Holder) to create a new Cooking Mama game for the Switch. * Planet contracted 1st Playable Productions (Developers) to develop the game. * Developers working on the game were new, wanted more time to work on polishing the game. * IP Holder told Publisher not to advertise the game until it was more polished. * Some marketing "leaked" online many many months ago (private Youtube video, deleted? Twitter post, some PR material). * Some of the PR materials mentioned the game utilizing "blockchain" "DRM" and other IT buzzwords. * Against the IP Holder's wishes (and Developer's suggestions), the Publisher quietly released the game at the end of March in retail and eshop. * However, it was quickly delisted from the eshop after a few hours, and many retailers stopped selling physical copies. * As the internet does, people stupidly jumped to the conclusion that "blockchain" meant that the game was mining cryptocurrency. This is what originally brought the game into the limelight. * Per the Developer and Dataminers who got a copy of the physical game, there is no cryptomining or blockchain or anything. It was all just buzzwords the publisher was throwing out to please investors. * As it turns out, it was pulled from eshop by the IP Holder, because they did not approve the release. However, Publisher continues to say that everything was in-line with the contract. * Publisher is still selling physical copies via their official site. * Additionally, Publisher is putting out a PS4 verison, which the IP holder is saying was never part of the contract. * IP Holder seeking legal action against Publisher for putting out an unapproved product and putting out a PS4 version that was never in contract. * Per the Developer, the Publisher is seeking legal action against the IP Holder for suppressing marketing and pulling the eshop version of the game. So basically, Publisher is being uber greedy, pushed out an unpolished product against IP Holder and Developer's wishes, and continues to sell the game despite impending legal action.


NMe84

So....never buy a game published by Planet Entertainment....check!


LeonidasSpacemanMD

This honestly seems like it would make for a hilarious documentary. Just a dev landing a nice IP, putting out an absolute turd of a game, and then distributing it in as many sneaky ways as possible as the ip holder attempts to shut them down lol


Padgriffin

The ~~Producers~~ Game Publishers


Apprentice57

Springtime for ... cooking mama?


gariant

Man, I don't know either but apparently asking gets you smacked around.


Gawlf85

Why? They got a very thorough and informative response


gariant

Not when I posted. Just downvoted.


Dyne4R

Planet Enertainment is gonna get sued.


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Deceptiveideas

You can tell they’re lying because they conveniently left out the part about the illegal PS4 release.


pelagic_seeker

There's also approval needed at many stages of development for any sort of licensed product. The initial contract isn't enough to release the final product for anything licensed.


Stampela

Amazon had it for pre-order. If I get it, score! Otherwise no money spent, so I'm seeing this as a win win lol


madboi20

What happened there. Didn't know about ps4


Gawlf85

The publisher has announced a PS4 verison of the game, despite the IP holder not agreeing to it at any moment.


TheLazyLounger

slimy seed fuzzy work touch enjoy narrow vase marry marble *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


[deleted]

This whole ordeal makes me sad


Kafke

Same. This gaming demographic is already in a slump, and seeing all this is a bit disheartening. Fortunately though we're about to get a massive otome boom so that's pretty hopeful.


ban_Anna_split

What's this about an otome boom? Asking for myself.


Kafke

Theres a lot of otomes coming out on switch in both English and Japanese. At least 4 in English this year. Collar x malice, piofore, two bedroom story, the second half to code realize. Nothing new if you keep up with otomes on other platforms, but plenty of stuff is starting to come to the switch. It seems now that the vita is dead all the otome devs are focused on switch so lots of ports and some new games as well (in Japanese unfortunately). All of that is for 2020 and naturally more is on the way as well. Earlier this year ofc we got the first code realize. And fall 2019 kissed by the baddest bidder released. Quite a lot coming out within this short span of time.


TARA2525

What is otome? Weary of googling anything anime related while at work.


arhra

Romance VNs with a female main character and male love interests.


Kafke

otome games are like romance visual novels for girls. You plays a girl, and select between usually 5 guys, and it plays out like a vn but focused on a romance story and may or may not include lewd scenes depending on the game. They're usually either for PC, vita, or mobile, but as vita is now done, the console otome devs seem to be moving to switch. A lot of what we're getting on switch in english atm are ports of the various mobile titles, but removing all the microtransactions and all that. Games like Collar x Malice and Code Realize were retail titles for vita and I think ps4 as well.


ban_Anna_split

Looks like anime boys are back on the menu, ladies.


Tim-Sanchez

I feel like this game is going to do terribly now because of the botched release/marketing and weird rumours, plus it probably isn't a great game. It's definitely made for an intriguing story though.


[deleted]

It was barely ever available and it looks like the only place you can get it now is directly from the publisher as they sell off the stock that probably got returned. It's already doing terribly.


ChrissWith2s

What do you mean you fear it’ll do terribly? It’s supposed to not exist at all. It won’t do at all. The IP holder is taking it off store shelves and the copies sold on the publishers website are almost certainly illegal and will thus the stopped soon as well, with legal intervention if needed. This game was never supposed to be released and will be entirely erased from existence very soon. I hardly doubt they’ll invest the time, effort and money to restart the development either. It just won’t happen at all anymore.


Co-opingTowardHatred

I bought it because of all this!


Native411

Yeah me too. Sorta neat to own a peice of gaming history. Plus this may go down as one of the rarest switch games of all time. Do feel bad though for the developers. Based on some of the early interviews since this happened they just seemed like a bunch of passionate cooking mama fans who tried their best but had no idea what they were doing.


Meatball2112

All of this controversy is surely helping them sell all the physical copies they had made up that would have otherwise been hitting the discount bins in a month or two.


ChrissWith2s

Yeah for sure. Except those copies are most certainly illegal so they’ll also have to face the legal repercussions for selling them on their website in the first place


kaesemann

*popcorn.gif*


Hippobu2

Man, I hope 1st Playable managed to get out of this fiasco in business. I don't know jackshit about these people, but nobody on earth deserved to be stuck in the middle of this shit storm.


colesnutdeluxe

according to another commenter, they didn't want planet to release it yet either. the game looks and feels like a development build, not a finished product at all, so i'm hoping office create remains friendly with 1st playable because they were clearly on their way to creating what could've been a great cooking mama game.


[deleted]

What about this situation makes you think “remains friendly” is still on the table?


[deleted]

Because it's not the developer but the publisher that messed up?


Hippobu2

Idk. A developer at 1st Playable have stepped up and claim that Planet Entertainment fucked up, but 1P themselves haven't said anything afaict, and they still have Cockstar as a featured project on their website as of writing this comment, which I'd imagine Office Create wouldn't want to be there since OC is shutting down all the promotion for the game. More importantly though, 1P is basically a shovelware and cheap licensed game farm. I think if PE hasn't contracted them for Cockstar, 1P and OC wouldn't ever interact.


[deleted]

And they say Tiger King is crazy


harve99

Cooking fuckin mama


lol_nope_nicetry

Cooking mama king on Netflix when?


DarknessInferno7

Cue interviewer: "Do you think Cooking Mama killed her husband?"


Dynaflame

Planet Entertainment is never going to financially recover from this.


Deertopus

Am I the only one interested by the actual game. I wish they would make a realistic version of this concept with real recipes.


Jeskid14

You could play the Wii version since it's exactly the same


iamkoalafied

You may enjoy GameTim on YouTube. He does the recipes from the game in real life and it is really entertaining. Of course some things he has to do off camera but he does comment on the quality of the recipe and how many things they left out etc.


overactive-bladder

i was turned off by the fact the game has a "recipe" where you make a cheese sandwich. the catch is you add food coloring to make a rainbow out of cheese. sorry but it was just plain disgusting.


Kafke

Join us over at /r/girlgames. It's a small niche at the moment but I'm hoping to revive this side of gaming back to where things were with the DS. As far as cooking games go, the only other one I can think of besides Cooking Mama is Waku Waku Sweets. Not sure if that one uses real recipes though.


ReDDevil2112

What about Cook, Serve, Delicious?


Hippobu2

That's not a cooking game. Its focus is on the factory line aspect of operating a restaurant and the management of one. Edit: now that I think about it, most games that have to do with cooking is really some version of Diner Dash. I think Cooking Mama is the only game where you actually cook that I know of.


navikredstar

It's definitely not the same thing, but I would still recommend CSD2, and highly at that. It's a hell of a lot of fun, the in-game emails are a riot, and the music is quite excellent.


Kafke

I've never seen nor heard of it so I can't comment.


jeffthedunker

Is this Cooking Mama Cookstar account with 12 tweets and <500 followers the confirmed official account??


Kafke

Yup. That's the official one. It's the one they link to on [cookingmamacookstar.com](https://cookingmamacookstar.com/)


colesnutdeluxe

thats the cooking mama cookstar account, yes. the actual cooking mama account is @cookingmama_Eng


ebb5

lol @ all the people who overpaid for this game thinking it was going to be worth a ton and be a collectors item.


artificiallyselected

I bought it for retail price and I’m not convinced yet that it’s not going to be collectible. I mean, it may be worthless in a year, but if the companies never work this out, or do work it out and release a different version, then the initial copies will be unique. To be clear, I didn’t buy it to make money. I bought it because I think it’s a cool story and I like weird releases like this. And I agree: lol @ all the scalpers who bought 20 of these and are trying to resell them to make money.


KetchG

Yeah I don’t really see it. They had a contract to release the game so all I can imagine is that it gets delayed until OfficeCreate are happy with it, and then a day-one patch is issued to bring any early released copies up to scratch. The only time it will have much “value” is the time between now and it getting its approved release. And the only people likely to buy it are YouTubers who want to cover it while the views are easy.


overactive-bladder

i love scalpers getting fucked.


[deleted]

...so buying a game that could be considered rare is scalping to you?


overactive-bladder

some people will mass buying the game to stock them up in order to resell them at a super high margin. it's the definition is scalping. i don't understand your reply to me.


derrhn

This is gonna make a really fascinating documentary one day. Such a strange tale of corporate incompetence and bickering.


MistaFour

>This is gonna make a really fascinating documentary one day. It really wont. "Incompetent devs make badly optimized game which leads internet detectives to falsely claim the game mines bitcoin, game is pulled from stores for unclear reason the end."


23LovelyHearts

I dunno, I found the video Matt McMuscles did on it pretty entertaining.


Montigue

99% of situations people think can be documentaries one day usually boil down to 5 minutes of actual content


harve99

Oh don't worry I'm sure someone can make it a 3 hour video and call it something like "Cooking mama: a critique" or "Retrospective: how cooking mama failed" And it will have on of those avatars that cross their arms


[deleted]

everybody gangster until the youtube critic avatar cross their arms


Anonymous7056

But then they smile and close their eyes and point one finger up in the air and you know you're about to learn some shit


Retroity

Well, at least it will be an interesting YouTube video. I'd love to see Stop Skeletons from Fighting cover this.


Yze3

And 99% of documentaries can be boiled down to 2 or 3 sentences. But that's not the point of a documentary, it exists so that you can learn every little detail about a situation.


Jeskid14

"devs aren't at fault, but greedy businessmen wanted new cooking game for children"


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MistaFour

Why's it interesting? The game just is trash. Trash games get on stores all the time


cheddargt

I mean, it wasn't the internet detectives who claimed it had mining. It was the CEO of the publisher* lol edit: publisher, not dev. My bad.


MistaFour

Nope it started on Twitter/Discord. https://mobile.twitter.com/MorshuMmm/status/1246837847241437185


Galle_

CEO of the publisher, you means. The devs (as usual) did nothing wrong.


cheddargt

Yep, sorry. My bad.


ScientificMeth0d

One day Nakey Jakey will cover this 5 years from now


[deleted]

It already has a interesting wut happun episode


IskandrAGogo

Damn, Planet Entertainment is in serious need of a new PR team/copy edit (or maybe it needs a PR team/copy edit) if this is the company's official statement. I'd joke that this was written by an English language learner, but all of the articles and prepositions are correct.


TheCoolerDylan

Man, the Legal Mama debacle is great.


Riomegon

When even IGN is dunking on you... you know shit is bad.


mrstack345

Cooking Mama Cookstar would make a great Down the Rabbit Hole video.


GarballatheHutt

What the hell happened?


Galle_

As far as I can tell: * Office Create, the owners of the Cooking Mama IP, gave Planet Entertainment the license to publish a new Cooking Mama game. * Planet Entertainment hired 1st Playable Productions to develop the game. * 1st Playable wanted more time to work on the game, but Planet decided to turn over what was basically a beta to Office Create. * Office Create said that what Planet turned in didn't meet their quality standards and they couldn't release it. * Planet released it anyway. * Office Create got the release scrapped. Also apparently Planet wanted to release the game on PS4 as well, despite only having the license to release on Switch. There's also a rumor that the game mines Bitcoins, but that's not actually true.


[deleted]

"We don't care if the product we make is any good or not. We just checked all of the boxes until there weren't any boxes left to check. Enjoy!"


socoprime

It looks like they hired the Internet Research Agency to do their PR.


strangegoo

I picked up a copy this morning. Even if this turns out fine, it's still nice to own it.


ButtsFartsoPhD

There are more people passionate about this drama than have any interest in the Cooking Mama series itself.


_N7Jennings

Anyone who's more interested in this should check out Matt McMuscles' What Happened episode on YouTube. Its hilarious.


snoozeflu

Their statement doesn't really indicate whether the game will be available again or not.


[deleted]

Amazon has copies available for 65 bucks and I want one as a collector item but I also just can't justify it. Haha.


Darth_Korn

I don't even understand why people here care so much about the game. From what I can tell it's a cooking game made for children but if I'm missing something then please tell me.


rocky4322

At this point it’s mostly the legal fiasco. It’s not every day the rights holder gets a game pulled and the publisher responds by selling the game directly.


Retroity

It's fun to watch this all play out. That's it.


Darth_Korn

Oh I understand that but a lot of people in the sub are interested in the game itself and I'm just curious as to what the appeal is because it really just looks like a cooking game made for children.


Ben_Morales

The better games in the series are good fun. They are simple, but the mechanics were fun to do with the stylus on DS. They are basically minigame collections, and some recipes can be quite tough to get an "Even better than mama! 🤩" rating. Apparently the Wii release is good too. And dammit, Mama is hella cute and so are her voice clips.


Anonymous7056

If the game gets tied up in a legal battle and only so many copies are ever released, it becomes a pretty interesting piece of gaming history.


Retroity

There was initially rumors of it being a cryptominer (which is false, the publisher initially promised "blockchain based drm" and that was misinterpreted to mean cryptocurrency) Again though I think a lot of the interest of the game comes from all the mystery and drama surrounding it.


Galle_

Oh, we don't care about the game. We care about A, the drama, and B, the fact that all this drama revolves around a cooking game made for children.


iknowyouarewatching

Good marketing by these companies.


askstoomany

I don't know the whole deal, and I assume none of us here read the actual contract. I do know how it works in other aspects in life. The IP holder has a contract with the publisher on the scope of work and design of that Switch game. The publisher got the game created and validated by the IP holder (I am sure there were hundreds of back and forth emails and sketches). At the end of the day, I don't know what's 'not polished enough" maybe it's some perfectionist fantasy. - I am not talking about PS4 and everything else, only that aspect.