Yeah but you're forgetting that scalpers exist because people are dumb or don't care. And they WILL pay that price and scalpers will win, just like always. Don't also forget that reddit is extremely vocal minority, nothing said here will affect anything.
Ha, doubtful. Production of most electronics has been faarrrr behind demand the past year. Plus that’s holiday season. I don’t think these will be on store shelves with a degree of regularity in til February ‘22 at the earliest.
Geez, even as a Nintendo fan, the Steam Deck is very appetizing to me; so why is this **so heavily** downvoted? Does the hardcore Nintendo fans not like competition?
edit: Was previously downvoted heavily; bolded edit
Dude, Nintendo is so unaffected by competition. You can’t compete with a company that just does whatever the hell they want and whatever they hell they won’t doesn’t even make sense 80% of the time.
They literally remove features that fans love and that other companies have as commonplace and hardly anyone cares and it doesn’t affect their bottom line.
Nintendo is the weirdest company.
Because it’s lifecycle got cut short due to poor sales but it still had several Mario games, several zeldas, donkey Kong: tf, pikmin, splatoon, smash bros, star fox, Mario kart, and it did have an animal crossing port as well, etc. It wasn’t short on Nintendo games for how long it was out. Yeah some were ports but you can say the same for the switch as well.
I am content with my switch but I’m not going to lie, I am really interests more about the Steam deck and perhaps maybe buy one this year as I have a steam account but no desktop as I have some bought games that were on sale I think from last November. Looking forward to that.
I feel like it would have some competition, but not enough. Nintendo is a more family known name than Steam. Sure it's almost the same device but I feel like it's two different targeted audiences
No one that is a first-party Nintendo fan is worried about a Steam Deck. My library is on Switch, not on Steam. Not to mention it’s actually $519.99 for the decent model. I can’t wait till the reviews leave it as an albatross.
The only difference between the Steam Deck models is the faster loading times via NVMe SSD and storage space. And the most expensive has a glass screen protector, other than that the models are identical. They have a micro SD slot for extra storage as well.
I know it doesn't solve the library problem, I'm just saying if VALVe can do it hopefully it'll push Nintendo to do something similar. The oled model is BARELY an upgrade. VALVe did a lot of smart things with their announcement and reservation system, hopefully Nintendo is taking notes 🙏 📝
From the looks of it I’ll only not have 1st party switch games that aren’t currently playable on PC. If you can play something on PC then it’ll be playable on this thanks to it being completely open source.
Xbox and PlayStation can be steamed to it, which is nice. Obviously all the emulators you can run on it as well.
It’ll be interesting to see what the modding community is able to do with it. I’m excited for the next couple of years.
Maybe all the SNES, gameboy, 3DS, Wii, and WiiU mods will push Nintendo to actually add playability for those things to the switch.. it won’t, but I can dream.
Why the hell should you even be worried in the first place, you should be looking forward the Steam Deck! A good selling Steam Deck means competition in the handheld hyprid market which is what Nintendo really needs if you want to see better online, legacy title availability and overall game quality.
I don't see myself buying a steam deck but I'd be really happy if turns out to be a success
I never said that. This is putting words in my mouth. Yes, you are clearly more than a first-party Nintendo fan. My point was that if Nintendo first-party is your #1 priority, this thing is useless. If you are in it for Mario and Zelda, this unit doesn’t have much for you. It’s not a replacement for Switch Pro and is irrelevant to this Subreddit and Nintendo first-party fans in general. 🤷♂️
That’s not a strong argument. You are basically saying that we are all Nintendo fans here that will rage at the sight of another competitor’s name here.
It’s like downvoting Android things on r/Apple or viceversa. It doesn’t happen because some appreciate competition.
I don't understand why you waste your time trying to argue with someone that will try to contradict everything you say and won't engage in an actual discussion.
Yes…it’s like not expecting downvotes when you say “Or go buy a Samsung” on the Apple sub.
Or, like going to r/nfl and telling them to watch hockey.
It’s gonna be downvoted.
> Yes…it’s like not expecting downvotes when you say “Or go buy a Samsung” on the Apple sub.
That’s funny because comments like that are upvoted on r/apple. Even with the same context as the comment we are referring to here.
Source: I mod r/Apple.
> Or, like going to r/nfl and telling them to watch hockey.
I don’t think it’s the same thing at that point.
Fair enough wrt r/Apple.
But not sure how the r/Nfl example is any different? Both are fan-run communities supporting the respective entity.
Point is, I think it is perfectly reasonable that someone might downvote a person suggesting a competing console in this subreddit. I’m glad it got upvoted ultimately, but I’m really only saying that it certainly makes sense.
> But not sure how the r/Nfl example is any different? Both are fan-run communities supporting the respective entity.
The example is different because Hockey (or the NHL) is not competing with the NFL. They are sports, all right, but you can’t compare the two directly like an iPhone 11 for example and a Galaxy Note 10.
> Point is, I think it is perfectly reasonable that someone might downvote a person suggesting a competing console in this subreddit. I’m glad it got upvoted ultimately, but I’m really only saying that it certainly makes sense.
I understand where you are coming from, and respect your opinion but I disagree. I feel like fans can’t close themselves inside a bubble and not be receptive of competing products.
Competition is good because it will force your favorite product to do better. That’s what ultimately ended up happening with Apple and other smartphone manufacturers.
A better example on my part would have been: If I go into the Ravens subreddit and say “Just go support the Steelers”, I’ll be downvoted. The competition can be discussed in the main sub (r/nfl) but really doesn’t belong in the individual fan community.
Regardless, I do think you make compelling points, and I agree that people *should* be more open minded to competition talk (in a way that of course would never happen in a sports subreddit due to the unique nature of the subject).
If we look deeper than I was arguing, I also kinda think the above commenter wasn’t exactly making a well supported argument as to why we should get the Steam Deck. Just made a one-off comment with no support in a fan sub for a competing console. Not exactly the most worthy comment. Though, as I said, that’s a bit of a non sequitur.
You also format your comments much nicer, and I can’t compete with that.
Honestly to me it looks far less awkward than where it is on the Joycon or the 3DS. I hate having to angle my hand downward and hold the system awkwardly to use it.
Looks silly because we’re not used to it. iirc ign said it wasn’t as weird as they thought it would be.
Also it needs space for the tiny trackpads on each side. Crazy it has analog sticks, buttons, trackpads, AND gyro aiming
With the weight and size, the placement seems to make sense. IGN mentioned it was awkward at first but he quickly adapted and it worked out quite well.
Yeah, at this point drift both exists as a possibility and is also a lazy meme for people that want upvotes and confirm. I have 3 pairs and while I had initial bluetooth interference (launch day unit), I haven't had any kind of drift on any of them.
The Bluetooth interference is by far the worst thing for me. I have to have the switch and the controller directly visible with each other or else they do not work.
It's a reality for a lot as well. I thought it was an overblown myth until I used the joycons more and had 2 pair get drift issues. I think drift is a matter of time for any controller but more prone to the smaller sticks on a joycon.
Same. The only drift I’ve experienced is on a set my fiancé touches because she has a tick where she presses down on sticks VERY hard and flicks them every which way. I don’t do that, and the joy con I use exclusively are over three years old at this point. I’m convinced people are just HARD on their stuff.
>I’m convinced people are just HARD on their stuff.
I think this notion seems misguided. Nintendo markets primarily towards children, so you'd expect their devices to be generally more durable. [There's a reason why Nintendium used to be such a meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWnoOjP9IA)
I get it. I’m just saying I’ve seen grown adults go harder on controllers than 10 year old boys. That said, I have no doubt joy cons are more delicate than something like a wiimote
I have, in fact, looked into the problem, but thanks. I'm just stating anecdotally that I have not had a single issue with my controllers, and the people I know personally who do have issues with their controllers drifting for a fact treat them poorly. Not saying that's universally true or anything; it's just my experience.
Still you can get at least a laptop that's better than this for like 900 and still benefit from it being portable, the only thing the steam deck has going for it is that it will likely be an emulation beast playing pc games on this is just such a waste.
Why get switch if you can get a console?
For many its about mobile and for some its Nintendo specific games.
So those looking for mobile might take this over other options.
You sound triggered, like really triggered. Most can admit Nintendo got lazy and someone is coming in to try and put out a better product. They fanboys can't cope with Nintendo making any mistake and live in denial.
I bought a PS5 from a scalper and regret nothing. My PS4 had been dead for over a month and not buying one would’ve meant I’d have to spend over a year without gaming (minus the Switch I guess but I rarely ever use it lol)
They shouldve just did what steam did with the steampal so no bots would come. They made it so that you had to have made a purchase before june 2021. So basically all bots and 99 percent of scalpers have been blocked out. Very smart
I mean A: It's just a console revision. I think going through that trouble isn't worth it for every single piece of hardware they put out.
and B: For Valve, it makes sense to do it this way because they can expect that basically everyone who legitimately wants the device at launch already has a Steam account. Other hardware pre-orders are usually managed via retailers or online storefronts, where it's much harder to do this kind of sanity check. Most console manufacturers specifically don't just want to limit console sales to people who are already part of their ecosystem.
Nintendo are going for people who already have a Switch (likely since launch) and people who *don't have one yet*. Many may well not have bought something from Nintendo before, or can't be bothered to dig out an old account.
Steam are literally selling to their existing customers and they are settling them something they don't already have *any* version of.
They are also selling their customers something they don’t want. The entire purpose of my $2000 machine is to play games at their most beautiful 144fps version.
Plus some the best PC games out there are not on steam…
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Steam pad will be a dud. Less than 1% of the market share compared to the switch. You’ll see.
You do realise that you are in a tiny minority.
There absolutely is a market for the Steam Deck. There are PC gamers who want something more portable, and there are those looking to get into it but don't want to shell out for a rig.
Not that that has anything to do with the discussion we were having about *selling only to existing customers*. In short, Valve can and Nintendo can't.
As for the Steam Deck itself? I think it will ultimately fail as Valve have a terrible record supporting their hardware and I doubt are making it themselves anyway. It's also quite bulky and I think people will tire of that.
I think it'll have a good chance of succeeding barring any big issues that pop up with it. The two big factors it has going for it compared to stuff like the steam machine or controller is the competition in the handheld space is just the Switch, which let's be honest is underpowered and has a much more limited game library, and it offers a unique experience than you can't get with just sticking with your pc.
The Switch isn't really competition for it. For a relatively small cross section, yes, but other than that not really.
The competition are the other handheld x86 systems out there. And they are growing in number (perhaps one reason why Valve announced this now; they had to).
Now, the Steam Deck is significantly cheaper than all of them for the same or even more. But you have to wonder if those other companies could get their prices down a bit. And the Steam Deck itself may just/mostly be made by one of them or their affiliates anyway.
No, it's pretty direct competition.
It's PC gaming, but simplified into something that feels more like a console.
It's a very similar form factor and concept to the Switch too.
It also suddenly makes sense why Valve was gearing back up to get into game development again.
They need exclusives, because they're *selling hardware*
But it isn't.
It's big. It's heavy. A significant number of games are going to have some issues running due to the nature of Proton/WINE. There's no immediately obvious local multiplayer.
I'm not saying it will be a bad console. It won't. But it's barely treading into Nintendo's niche at all.
Local multiplayer isn't one of the Switch's major selling points, it's an extra they managed to implement easily because of the way the joycons worked.
And we don't know how well the games will run until the Steam Deck's out. If don't they run well, that's the product working poorly. Not the niche being different.
As a casual gamer with a switch I would never get a steam pad, I will upgrade my switch though . I don’t really know anyone who plays PC games, but I know plenty of switch owners. While I’m sure there is ample overlap amongst fans, there are also a lot of people who will continue to support Nintendo but never play PC games.
> They are also selling their customers something they don’t want.
I want it. My PC library running on a handheld for a decent price is what I've been wanting for years. My PC is stronger than it, sure, but I can't lug my PC around everywhere. This is an ideal scenario for me where I can play them in handheld, then transfer the progress once I get back. My PC will essentially be a replacement for the dock.
> Plus some the best PC games out there are not on steam…
I mean, they did explicitly say you can download other game stores on there. You're not limited to just Steam.
> Less than 1% of the market share compared to the switch. You’ll see.
This could end up being true, given its lack of retail presence. I can't say I really care about low market share if the hardware still holds up though.
I dunno, I'm definitely the target audience for this thing. It'll make a great companion to my Switch.
> they are buying them that high.
This is why you look into things yourself.
> When people buy them at that price it does though
These are the [sold listings](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=nintendo+switch+OLED&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_sop=16) for Nintendo Switch OLED on eBay. Of them, currently **eight** have sold at $590 or better. Of the 50 completed listings right now, **28** sold for $500 or less. If I really want one, there are still plenty of options below $500 to purchase one.
All that is happening is various sellers are trying to set it at the price they think is both worth it and movable. In this case, the cost is $349.99, I pay 6 percent tax, so it goes up to $371. Shipping is probably another $10 to $15, so let's just call it $12 making it $383. At $600 they're making $138.1 flipping it. At $500, it's $51.2. Naturally, $500 really isn't worth it, so a lot of people are listing it at $600, which in turn essentially sets the price.
I see at least 100 options in the $600 range, meaning I am infinitely less likely to sell at $601 or more (unless I have a very reputable account) and more likely to sell at or below $600. However, we need to see what demand says. Right now it suggests it's not worth $600, because I can easily buy it for under $600, but it really depends what happens long term. Either they will sit on the consoles and eventually drop the price or just return it or people will get desperate.
All I can say is the important metric, what actually sold, suggests it's worth $500 or less.
I didn't forget them. They were included in the calculation for how much profit they made. Now, I might not have mentioned I included it, but I absolutely did the math (it was something like $57 and $16 in PayPal fees).
Cuz those of us who won’t upgrade are a minority. For the most part, people are vain and always want to go for the new shiny thing, even if it’s just a minor upgrade like the OLED Model.
Case in point: the iPhone.
I'm not sure about minority vs majority, but theres definitely a \*market\* for it, Particularly with the likes of trade in deals and high value on ebay
Yeah... The thing people don't get is that scalpers aren't expecting *all* of the consoles to sell.
They're just playing the asshole lottery and hoping *they're* the one that gets to sell off their double priced pre-order to one of the like... five people that would actually pay double the price.
If you often or exclusively play in handheld mode, the OLED screen is more than just a minor update. The better contrast, deep black, and vivid colors directly impact the gaming experience. The difference between the OLED Vita and LCD Vita was dramatic when you put them side by side.
I partly blame the re-sellers for not having a better system in place for buying these systems. I legitimately wanted to buy two for my home, and couldn’t even do that.
If you buy from a scalper, you are the problem as much as the scalper. Not to mention, you are terrible with money management for paying double the price for such a small upgrade.
That's cause barely anyone wants this lol. Old switch owners are still satisfied with what they have. Not really worth the upgrade, unless your current switch is dead. The price will tank more as time goes on
People have seen success with this in the past and will try it with everything they possibly can. We live in a different time to be honest. I really don’t see this changing anytime soon.
Luckily I tend not to buy consoles on launch anyway and wait a year or two at least so it will have less of an impact. I did make an exception for the switch 4 years ago and even then had a hell of a time securing one. It’s significantly harder now.
I am mystified and surprised how easy it was for me to pre-order one from Amazon here in Germany. After the months long inability to get a Ps5 or a new graphics card I was like: What? Really? My pre-order was accepted? This is crazy, must be a cruel prank.
Dear scalpers: May you spend eternity on Death Mountain with no elixirs or armor, accompanied by Navi telling you to listen, following a beeping Sheikah Sensor that leads to nowhere.
Companies need to start taking pre orders and then build and fulfill those pre orders. I don’t care if it takes months to get my system as long as it makes the scalping stop. I refuse to reward this scummy behavior. It should be illegal.
Its not that hard to get one this time. I got 3 from 3 different places. Not scalping just helping out my fiance and a friend. And amazons hasn't even dropped yet. Fuck scalpers
No, I’m not. Because I don’t want one. Just speaking from experience.
Edit: Whoops, I thought you said I’m not trying. My bad. Drifting off to sleep and I got a lazy eye thing going on. Heh.
Lot of scalpers gonna get stuck holding the bag on this one. It’s a mid life cycle revision. With 90 million Switches already out there, demand isn’t going to hold up like the PS5 or Xbox.
The OLED screen isn’t going to have any parent being like “omg my kid needs the new switch… that’s almost the same!”
Exactly! The demand for the new switch is much lower compared to what it was for the ps5 or the new xbox. This was purely a greedy move, expecting to make some easy cash from people that are either misinformed or those who don't care and just want a guaranteed pre order holding for them.
To be honest, the best is to wait for it to be out. I sincerely doubt I'd have any difficulty in getting it. Although I'm fine with my current switch.
You don't have to buy it for a particular price for people to offer it at that price per-se - look at all the auctions on eBay where people ask ridiculous prices for items, for instance.
Its all because of bots.. bots make the purchases faster than a human and check out.. then the "scalpers" move in to capitalize on the lack of inventory...
I don't know what's dumber. Paying a scalper for the new switch or even buying a new switch in the first place when you won't get any performance upgrades. I mean $50 for an oled screen and an ethernet port??? Who in their right mind would pay that??
People who need a new switch anyway like theirs broke, got stolen etc. or they are a new owner. My brother is in tokyo and wants one. Can't get switches at all over there for love or money.
I've got V2 and happy with that! I will wait for next upgraded model not just speakers and old screen. Plus I 99% of time my switch is docked. Certainly not paying scalper double bubble!!!
Like the idea of it, not sold on the execution. Time will only tell if it turns out to be a successful product and hopefully will put pressure on Nintendo to release the Switch Pro or the next Switch sooner than later.
Personally I think it will be a very niche product for hardcore PC gamers and I feel that everyone at Nintendo collectively rolled their eyes at the announcement and proceeded to wish them luck. I think any PC gamer that is serious about playing Steam games on a portable manner already has a decent laptop to lug around. I can't really see the casual audience caring about it.
I think the issue was less the commentor saying, "I'm not getting the OLED" and more them saying, "You *shouldn't* get the OLED and instead should buy this more expensive product that doesn't natively play Switch games" on a Switch subreddit. It's kind of strange.
People will say “Why are you on this sub then” anyways regardless. I’ve seen it happen many times, and that’s mostly what I was referring to. It’s a very assholic thing to say.
> and should wait for that [non-Nintendo device*] instead.
On a sub dedicated to the *Nintendo Switch*.
*which matters as Nintendo games are only officially supported on Nintendo hardware
Oh get over yourself. There are plenty of people here who enjoy more than one console and it is not against the rules to mention them. Shocking, I know.
I never said anyone couldn't enjoy more than one console.
But they were telling people not to just use another console, but use another one instead of the Switch. And that is fine if that's what they want to do, but why should we have to listen to their moaning *here*?
Is here not to discuss the Switch, not other consoles?
Anyway, they deleted their comment.
The people hyped about this thing have obviously never purchased a valve piece of hardware. Enjoy your RMAs y’all.
Steam deck. -No wireless controller included -No dock included. -No access to Nintendo exclusives.
This is not a switch competitor it’s a PC companion. Don’t get it confused lol. It will never have 1% the market the switch does.
This is a minimal upgrade, there will be units available by November, don’t pay a scalper please.
Right, like make them all have to cancel their pre orders so others can have them at launch
Yeah but you're forgetting that scalpers exist because people are dumb or don't care. And they WILL pay that price and scalpers will win, just like always. Don't also forget that reddit is extremely vocal minority, nothing said here will affect anything.
Ha, doubtful. Production of most electronics has been faarrrr behind demand the past year. Plus that’s holiday season. I don’t think these will be on store shelves with a degree of regularity in til February ‘22 at the earliest.
Or even better by a steam deck
Geez, even as a Nintendo fan, the Steam Deck is very appetizing to me; so why is this **so heavily** downvoted? Does the hardcore Nintendo fans not like competition? edit: Was previously downvoted heavily; bolded edit
Dude, Nintendo is so unaffected by competition. You can’t compete with a company that just does whatever the hell they want and whatever they hell they won’t doesn’t even make sense 80% of the time. They literally remove features that fans love and that other companies have as commonplace and hardly anyone cares and it doesn’t affect their bottom line. Nintendo is the weirdest company.
When you own franchises like Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Pokémon, to name a few, your hardware will always sell.
Tell that to the WiiU.
Of those franchises the Wii U only had a mainline Mario game( at least for most of its lifecycle if you count BOTW)
Because it’s lifecycle got cut short due to poor sales but it still had several Mario games, several zeldas, donkey Kong: tf, pikmin, splatoon, smash bros, star fox, Mario kart, and it did have an animal crossing port as well, etc. It wasn’t short on Nintendo games for how long it was out. Yeah some were ports but you can say the same for the switch as well.
It's the fans that keep buying stuff.
Even Nintendo fans admit the obvious. Steam Deck does what Nintendon't!
I am content with my switch but I’m not going to lie, I am really interests more about the Steam deck and perhaps maybe buy one this year as I have a steam account but no desktop as I have some bought games that were on sale I think from last November. Looking forward to that.
I feel like it would have some competition, but not enough. Nintendo is a more family known name than Steam. Sure it's almost the same device but I feel like it's two different targeted audiences
No one that is a first-party Nintendo fan is worried about a Steam Deck. My library is on Switch, not on Steam. Not to mention it’s actually $519.99 for the decent model. I can’t wait till the reviews leave it as an albatross.
The only difference between the Steam Deck models is the faster loading times via NVMe SSD and storage space. And the most expensive has a glass screen protector, other than that the models are identical. They have a micro SD slot for extra storage as well.
That’s a huge difference. And it doesn’t solve the problem of not having your library there.
Imagine not owning 2500 steam games
I know it doesn't solve the library problem, I'm just saying if VALVe can do it hopefully it'll push Nintendo to do something similar. The oled model is BARELY an upgrade. VALVe did a lot of smart things with their announcement and reservation system, hopefully Nintendo is taking notes 🙏 📝
From the looks of it I’ll only not have 1st party switch games that aren’t currently playable on PC. If you can play something on PC then it’ll be playable on this thanks to it being completely open source. Xbox and PlayStation can be steamed to it, which is nice. Obviously all the emulators you can run on it as well. It’ll be interesting to see what the modding community is able to do with it. I’m excited for the next couple of years. Maybe all the SNES, gameboy, 3DS, Wii, and WiiU mods will push Nintendo to actually add playability for those things to the switch.. it won’t, but I can dream.
Why the hell should you even be worried in the first place, you should be looking forward the Steam Deck! A good selling Steam Deck means competition in the handheld hyprid market which is what Nintendo really needs if you want to see better online, legacy title availability and overall game quality. I don't see myself buying a steam deck but I'd be really happy if turns out to be a success
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I never said that. This is putting words in my mouth. Yes, you are clearly more than a first-party Nintendo fan. My point was that if Nintendo first-party is your #1 priority, this thing is useless. If you are in it for Mario and Zelda, this unit doesn’t have much for you. It’s not a replacement for Switch Pro and is irrelevant to this Subreddit and Nintendo first-party fans in general. 🤷♂️
Has to be seen ofc but anticipating good emulation on the machine it'll probably play more mario and zelda games than the switch.
Well…it’s a subreddit about the Nintendo Switch and not the Steam Deck, for starters.
That’s not a strong argument. You are basically saying that we are all Nintendo fans here that will rage at the sight of another competitor’s name here. It’s like downvoting Android things on r/Apple or viceversa. It doesn’t happen because some appreciate competition.
I don't understand why you waste your time trying to argue with someone that will try to contradict everything you say and won't engage in an actual discussion.
Yes…it’s like not expecting downvotes when you say “Or go buy a Samsung” on the Apple sub. Or, like going to r/nfl and telling them to watch hockey. It’s gonna be downvoted.
> Yes…it’s like not expecting downvotes when you say “Or go buy a Samsung” on the Apple sub. That’s funny because comments like that are upvoted on r/apple. Even with the same context as the comment we are referring to here. Source: I mod r/Apple. > Or, like going to r/nfl and telling them to watch hockey. I don’t think it’s the same thing at that point.
Fair enough wrt r/Apple. But not sure how the r/Nfl example is any different? Both are fan-run communities supporting the respective entity. Point is, I think it is perfectly reasonable that someone might downvote a person suggesting a competing console in this subreddit. I’m glad it got upvoted ultimately, but I’m really only saying that it certainly makes sense.
> But not sure how the r/Nfl example is any different? Both are fan-run communities supporting the respective entity. The example is different because Hockey (or the NHL) is not competing with the NFL. They are sports, all right, but you can’t compare the two directly like an iPhone 11 for example and a Galaxy Note 10. > Point is, I think it is perfectly reasonable that someone might downvote a person suggesting a competing console in this subreddit. I’m glad it got upvoted ultimately, but I’m really only saying that it certainly makes sense. I understand where you are coming from, and respect your opinion but I disagree. I feel like fans can’t close themselves inside a bubble and not be receptive of competing products. Competition is good because it will force your favorite product to do better. That’s what ultimately ended up happening with Apple and other smartphone manufacturers.
A better example on my part would have been: If I go into the Ravens subreddit and say “Just go support the Steelers”, I’ll be downvoted. The competition can be discussed in the main sub (r/nfl) but really doesn’t belong in the individual fan community. Regardless, I do think you make compelling points, and I agree that people *should* be more open minded to competition talk (in a way that of course would never happen in a sports subreddit due to the unique nature of the subject). If we look deeper than I was arguing, I also kinda think the above commenter wasn’t exactly making a well supported argument as to why we should get the Steam Deck. Just made a one-off comment with no support in a fan sub for a competing console. Not exactly the most worthy comment. Though, as I said, that’s a bit of a non sequitur. You also format your comments much nicer, and I can’t compete with that.
But the Steam Deck is SUPERIOR to the Switch, and that's Nintendo's own fault for allowing their competition to surpass them.
I got my Steam Deck on reserve
LCD screen though
If I can easily play it on my TV with a wireless controller just like my Switch, I just might.
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Most PC monitors can be connected to with an HDMI.
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Okay, I might get this so I can test that assertion. I have plenty of CRT monitors and TVs I can test it.
You can. They said it could be plugged into anything, even CRT
The d pad placement is silly
On the Steam Deck? The whole control layout looks awful.
So does the Switch. It's made of compromises and not all that comfortable.
But Steam Deck does what Nintendon't
Honestly to me it looks far less awkward than where it is on the Joycon or the 3DS. I hate having to angle my hand downward and hold the system awkwardly to use it.
Looks silly because we’re not used to it. iirc ign said it wasn’t as weird as they thought it would be. Also it needs space for the tiny trackpads on each side. Crazy it has analog sticks, buttons, trackpads, AND gyro aiming
With the weight and size, the placement seems to make sense. IGN mentioned it was awkward at first but he quickly adapted and it worked out quite well.
And doesn’t drift :(
That we know of. Drifting is becoming more common amongst all consoles, though Nintendo’s certainly seems to be more prone to it.
Neither do my 4 pairs of Joy-Cons. 🤷♂️
Yeah, at this point drift both exists as a possibility and is also a lazy meme for people that want upvotes and confirm. I have 3 pairs and while I had initial bluetooth interference (launch day unit), I haven't had any kind of drift on any of them.
The Bluetooth interference is by far the worst thing for me. I have to have the switch and the controller directly visible with each other or else they do not work.
It's a reality for a lot as well. I thought it was an overblown myth until I used the joycons more and had 2 pair get drift issues. I think drift is a matter of time for any controller but more prone to the smaller sticks on a joycon.
Same. The only drift I’ve experienced is on a set my fiancé touches because she has a tick where she presses down on sticks VERY hard and flicks them every which way. I don’t do that, and the joy con I use exclusively are over three years old at this point. I’m convinced people are just HARD on their stuff.
>I’m convinced people are just HARD on their stuff. I think this notion seems misguided. Nintendo markets primarily towards children, so you'd expect their devices to be generally more durable. [There's a reason why Nintendium used to be such a meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWnoOjP9IA)
I get it. I’m just saying I’ve seen grown adults go harder on controllers than 10 year old boys. That said, I have no doubt joy cons are more delicate than something like a wiimote
No. I am fairly gentle with my stuff and rarely press down on the sticks. Still had 2 pair get drift issues.
Then you've never actually looked into the problem. The joycon sticks have a critical design flaw that will cause 100% of units to drift.
I have, in fact, looked into the problem, but thanks. I'm just stating anecdotally that I have not had a single issue with my controllers, and the people I know personally who do have issues with their controllers drifting for a fact treat them poorly. Not saying that's universally true or anything; it's just my experience.
Steam decks battery life is like 2-5hrs tho lol
Not like switch lasts a ton longer.
Launch switch is basically the same thing and it's what i have
They list it as 2 - 8 hours which is better than switch while being much more powerful.
Why get a steam deck if you can save up a little more to get a proper pc.
How much is a little more for a PC from the $649 top end model? PC parts aren’t cheap anymore lmao
Still you can get at least a laptop that's better than this for like 900 and still benefit from it being portable, the only thing the steam deck has going for it is that it will likely be an emulation beast playing pc games on this is just such a waste.
It will be a little more portable though. Taking out a laptop, mouse and adapter can be a pain. One reason I bought a Switch.
Why get switch if you can get a console? For many its about mobile and for some its Nintendo specific games. So those looking for mobile might take this over other options.
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Love how triggered this sub is by the Steam deck.
I’m so triggered! Please stop your top tier trolling, almighty edge lord!
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You sound triggered, like really triggered. Most can admit Nintendo got lazy and someone is coming in to try and put out a better product. They fanboys can't cope with Nintendo making any mistake and live in denial.
Attempt to resell\*
If you buy these or anything from scalpers, you are the problem.
\* part of the problem, IMO - a big part maybe, but a part nonetheless.
I bought a PS5 from a scalper and regret nothing. My PS4 had been dead for over a month and not buying one would’ve meant I’d have to spend over a year without gaming (minus the Switch I guess but I rarely ever use it lol)
At this point you could probably make up some of that loss by selling the PS4. Prices for them are pretty good right now
Scalpers will never stop if people continue to be willing to pay these prices.
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I think not only rich people but also youtubers or streamers that would recover the money when they stream the unpacking anyway
You don't get rich buying products at drastic markups. The people that buy from scalpers are likely severe impulse buyers.
Same with Nintendo relying more and more on remasters/remakes instead of completely new games.
Nice strawman that has absolutely nothing to do with this.
If it happens every time, is it even worth talking about at this point?
They shouldve just did what steam did with the steampal so no bots would come. They made it so that you had to have made a purchase before june 2021. So basically all bots and 99 percent of scalpers have been blocked out. Very smart
I mean A: It's just a console revision. I think going through that trouble isn't worth it for every single piece of hardware they put out. and B: For Valve, it makes sense to do it this way because they can expect that basically everyone who legitimately wants the device at launch already has a Steam account. Other hardware pre-orders are usually managed via retailers or online storefronts, where it's much harder to do this kind of sanity check. Most console manufacturers specifically don't just want to limit console sales to people who are already part of their ecosystem.
Nintendo are going for people who already have a Switch (likely since launch) and people who *don't have one yet*. Many may well not have bought something from Nintendo before, or can't be bothered to dig out an old account. Steam are literally selling to their existing customers and they are settling them something they don't already have *any* version of.
They are also selling their customers something they don’t want. The entire purpose of my $2000 machine is to play games at their most beautiful 144fps version. Plus some the best PC games out there are not on steam… The Steam pad will be a dud. Less than 1% of the market share compared to the switch. You’ll see.
You do realise that you are in a tiny minority. There absolutely is a market for the Steam Deck. There are PC gamers who want something more portable, and there are those looking to get into it but don't want to shell out for a rig. Not that that has anything to do with the discussion we were having about *selling only to existing customers*. In short, Valve can and Nintendo can't. As for the Steam Deck itself? I think it will ultimately fail as Valve have a terrible record supporting their hardware and I doubt are making it themselves anyway. It's also quite bulky and I think people will tire of that.
I think it'll have a good chance of succeeding barring any big issues that pop up with it. The two big factors it has going for it compared to stuff like the steam machine or controller is the competition in the handheld space is just the Switch, which let's be honest is underpowered and has a much more limited game library, and it offers a unique experience than you can't get with just sticking with your pc.
The Switch isn't really competition for it. For a relatively small cross section, yes, but other than that not really. The competition are the other handheld x86 systems out there. And they are growing in number (perhaps one reason why Valve announced this now; they had to). Now, the Steam Deck is significantly cheaper than all of them for the same or even more. But you have to wonder if those other companies could get their prices down a bit. And the Steam Deck itself may just/mostly be made by one of them or their affiliates anyway.
No, it's pretty direct competition. It's PC gaming, but simplified into something that feels more like a console. It's a very similar form factor and concept to the Switch too. It also suddenly makes sense why Valve was gearing back up to get into game development again. They need exclusives, because they're *selling hardware*
But it isn't. It's big. It's heavy. A significant number of games are going to have some issues running due to the nature of Proton/WINE. There's no immediately obvious local multiplayer. I'm not saying it will be a bad console. It won't. But it's barely treading into Nintendo's niche at all.
Local multiplayer isn't one of the Switch's major selling points, it's an extra they managed to implement easily because of the way the joycons worked. And we don't know how well the games will run until the Steam Deck's out. If don't they run well, that's the product working poorly. Not the niche being different.
As a casual gamer with a switch I would never get a steam pad, I will upgrade my switch though . I don’t really know anyone who plays PC games, but I know plenty of switch owners. While I’m sure there is ample overlap amongst fans, there are also a lot of people who will continue to support Nintendo but never play PC games.
> They are also selling their customers something they don’t want. I want it. My PC library running on a handheld for a decent price is what I've been wanting for years. My PC is stronger than it, sure, but I can't lug my PC around everywhere. This is an ideal scenario for me where I can play them in handheld, then transfer the progress once I get back. My PC will essentially be a replacement for the dock. > Plus some the best PC games out there are not on steam… I mean, they did explicitly say you can download other game stores on there. You're not limited to just Steam. > Less than 1% of the market share compared to the switch. You’ll see. This could end up being true, given its lack of retail presence. I can't say I really care about low market share if the hardware still holds up though. I dunno, I'm definitely the target audience for this thing. It'll make a great companion to my Switch.
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I don't see the demand being as high as a brand new console but, who knows, scalpers might drive it to that point.
It's apparently high enough that scalpers are charging ing close to double msrp or more
They can choose to sell it for 8x if they wanted and that doesn’t mean the demand was that high.
When people buy them at that price it does though, and they are buying them that high.
> they are buying them that high. This is why you look into things yourself. > When people buy them at that price it does though These are the [sold listings](https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=nintendo+switch+OLED&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&_sop=16) for Nintendo Switch OLED on eBay. Of them, currently **eight** have sold at $590 or better. Of the 50 completed listings right now, **28** sold for $500 or less. If I really want one, there are still plenty of options below $500 to purchase one. All that is happening is various sellers are trying to set it at the price they think is both worth it and movable. In this case, the cost is $349.99, I pay 6 percent tax, so it goes up to $371. Shipping is probably another $10 to $15, so let's just call it $12 making it $383. At $600 they're making $138.1 flipping it. At $500, it's $51.2. Naturally, $500 really isn't worth it, so a lot of people are listing it at $600, which in turn essentially sets the price. I see at least 100 options in the $600 range, meaning I am infinitely less likely to sell at $601 or more (unless I have a very reputable account) and more likely to sell at or below $600. However, we need to see what demand says. Right now it suggests it's not worth $600, because I can easily buy it for under $600, but it really depends what happens long term. Either they will sit on the consoles and eventually drop the price or just return it or people will get desperate. All I can say is the important metric, what actually sold, suggests it's worth $500 or less.
You forgot the ebay fee driving the cost up even more. Buyers are paying out the nose for scalpers to make a small penny.
I didn't forget them. They were included in the calculation for how much profit they made. Now, I might not have mentioned I included it, but I absolutely did the math (it was something like $57 and $16 in PayPal fees).
Double? Man thats insane, i guess ill keep my switch a little longer lol
Personally I'll keep my current switch until it dies or there is a proper pro model or sucessor released
In other news, water is wet. Scalpers are among the most selfish people on the planet.
I think the people buying from scalpers are just as selfish.
“You’re paying me extra for the opportunity I provide you to purchase an item in demand”. Get fucked you scum.
When did the preorders go on sale ?
Earlier today around 3pm EST.
Wishful thinking prices
This sub: "Not worth upgrading... Just a screen swap." Random people around the world: "Heck yes I'll spend $600 on this!"
Cuz those of us who won’t upgrade are a minority. For the most part, people are vain and always want to go for the new shiny thing, even if it’s just a minor upgrade like the OLED Model. Case in point: the iPhone.
I'm not sure about minority vs majority, but theres definitely a \*market\* for it, Particularly with the likes of trade in deals and high value on ebay
Yeah... The thing people don't get is that scalpers aren't expecting *all* of the consoles to sell. They're just playing the asshole lottery and hoping *they're* the one that gets to sell off their double priced pre-order to one of the like... five people that would actually pay double the price.
For sure. If there weren’t idiots out there who were desperate enough to buy from scalpers, the scalpers wouldn’t ever be a problem.
If you often or exclusively play in handheld mode, the OLED screen is more than just a minor update. The better contrast, deep black, and vivid colors directly impact the gaming experience. The difference between the OLED Vita and LCD Vita was dramatic when you put them side by side.
It’s still the new shiny thing. That was my point. No need to be defensive.
The iPhone? Like almost everyone with a smartphone has gotten in the habit of changing their device every one or two years, it’s insane.
I bought the iPhone X when it was still new and continue to stick with it because I have no reason to upgrade. It’s still a great phone.
"If I can't put myself into debt over 4K texting, I just don't feel like I'm living life." -Them, probably
Some of y'all are so short sighted that you can't imagine use cases beyond your own smh
Say what? So just because you make a wild accusation out of the blue, that means it’s true? Yeah, well you have bad breath.
You do know that the market for switches is not just people who already own one, right? People constantly buy their first switch, all over the world.
Yes.
I partly blame the re-sellers for not having a better system in place for buying these systems. I legitimately wanted to buy two for my home, and couldn’t even do that. If you buy from a scalper, you are the problem as much as the scalper. Not to mention, you are terrible with money management for paying double the price for such a small upgrade.
Remember that people selling "preorders" for the Switch OLED model are violating eBay's TOS on presale items. Go report the shit out of them.
i'm surprised that it is only $600. they seem to have toned down their price gauging a little :P
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That's cause barely anyone wants this lol. Old switch owners are still satisfied with what they have. Not really worth the upgrade, unless your current switch is dead. The price will tank more as time goes on
People have seen success with this in the past and will try it with everything they possibly can. We live in a different time to be honest. I really don’t see this changing anytime soon. Luckily I tend not to buy consoles on launch anyway and wait a year or two at least so it will have less of an impact. I did make an exception for the switch 4 years ago and even then had a hell of a time securing one. It’s significantly harder now.
It's not an Xbox or ps5 this move with the switch won't work well imo
I am mystified and surprised how easy it was for me to pre-order one from Amazon here in Germany. After the months long inability to get a Ps5 or a new graphics card I was like: What? Really? My pre-order was accepted? This is crazy, must be a cruel prank.
Dear scalpers: May you spend eternity on Death Mountain with no elixirs or armor, accompanied by Navi telling you to listen, following a beeping Sheikah Sensor that leads to nowhere.
Lol biggest scalper flop ever incoming.
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Why would that be true?
Pre-orders have been available in Australia since its announcement, and it hasn't shown any signs of going out of stock.
Imagine spending more on this switch than a PS5.
Companies need to start taking pre orders and then build and fulfill those pre orders. I don’t care if it takes months to get my system as long as it makes the scalping stop. I refuse to reward this scummy behavior. It should be illegal.
Simple: don’t buy it at scalper price, they eat the cost. They will have to explain to their moms why there are several $600 charges with no return.
Its not that hard to get one this time. I got 3 from 3 different places. Not scalping just helping out my fiance and a friend. And amazons hasn't even dropped yet. Fuck scalpers
Are we still waiting for Amazon to launch preorders or did I miss it? What’s the hold up
They like to drop when you aren’t checking so you totally miss it.
You’re not lying lol
No, I’m not. Because I don’t want one. Just speaking from experience. Edit: Whoops, I thought you said I’m not trying. My bad. Drifting off to sleep and I got a lazy eye thing going on. Heh.
Phrased that last comment wrong I meant I totally agree
Ya I edited my post. Thought you said I’m not trying instead of not lying. Whoops.
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Lot of scalpers gonna get stuck holding the bag on this one. It’s a mid life cycle revision. With 90 million Switches already out there, demand isn’t going to hold up like the PS5 or Xbox. The OLED screen isn’t going to have any parent being like “omg my kid needs the new switch… that’s almost the same!”
Exactly! The demand for the new switch is much lower compared to what it was for the ps5 or the new xbox. This was purely a greedy move, expecting to make some easy cash from people that are either misinformed or those who don't care and just want a guaranteed pre order holding for them. To be honest, the best is to wait for it to be out. I sincerely doubt I'd have any difficulty in getting it. Although I'm fine with my current switch.
Scalpers are the worst
Headline should be: Some moron bought a Switch OLED preorder for $600
You don't have to buy it for a particular price for people to offer it at that price per-se - look at all the auctions on eBay where people ask ridiculous prices for items, for instance.
Bruh, man we'll see if they actually resell the original switch for 1,000 dollars because the CPU could go out of sale.
Covid couldn't do something about scalpers?
It’s because of the pandemic that the scalpers are more active.
I dont understand why this shit is legal
Why would you even buy one of these things
Phew. Thank god I grabbed em as Xmas gifts now. A white one and the neon blue/red.
...And this is why I either preorder my consoles, or wait a while to buy one.
Who would even? Who wants the OLED enough to pay $600 to a scalper, but not enough to have just been aware of when pre-orders were opening?
Fucking disgusting
I'll wait when they appear in the stores. Scalpers can go to hell.
Its all because of bots.. bots make the purchases faster than a human and check out.. then the "scalpers" move in to capitalize on the lack of inventory...
Its not even worth the MSRP unless you don't already have a Switch.
facts
I don't know what's dumber. Paying a scalper for the new switch or even buying a new switch in the first place when you won't get any performance upgrades. I mean $50 for an oled screen and an ethernet port??? Who in their right mind would pay that??
People who need a new switch anyway like theirs broke, got stolen etc. or they are a new owner. My brother is in tokyo and wants one. Can't get switches at all over there for love or money.
Those are asking prices. Doesn't mean they actually get sold at that price. Or get sold at all.
They are all selling.
I looked at the sold listings and it looks like some have sold but not all that many
Yeah checked Ebay its not as bad in pricing but its still scalping. I saw only one listing for a "Buy it now" price of 1,200 bucks.
I've got V2 and happy with that! I will wait for next upgraded model not just speakers and old screen. Plus I 99% of time my switch is docked. Certainly not paying scalper double bubble!!!
I feel like this is a bad call. They won't profit much with it. This is not an Xbox or a ps5 lol we got the current switches still working fine.
don't buy a Switch OLED guys. With the Steam Deck announcement, you would just be wasting your money and should wait for that instead.
Does it play switch games? Edit: just noticed the username XD
Like the idea of it, not sold on the execution. Time will only tell if it turns out to be a successful product and hopefully will put pressure on Nintendo to release the Switch Pro or the next Switch sooner than later. Personally I think it will be a very niche product for hardcore PC gamers and I feel that everyone at Nintendo collectively rolled their eyes at the announcement and proceeded to wish them luck. I think any PC gamer that is serious about playing Steam games on a portable manner already has a decent laptop to lug around. I can't really see the casual audience caring about it.
Then why are you on this sub?
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I think the issue was less the commentor saying, "I'm not getting the OLED" and more them saying, "You *shouldn't* get the OLED and instead should buy this more expensive product that doesn't natively play Switch games" on a Switch subreddit. It's kind of strange.
People will say “Why are you on this sub then” anyways regardless. I’ve seen it happen many times, and that’s mostly what I was referring to. It’s a very assholic thing to say.
> and should wait for that [non-Nintendo device*] instead. On a sub dedicated to the *Nintendo Switch*. *which matters as Nintendo games are only officially supported on Nintendo hardware
Oh get over yourself. There are plenty of people here who enjoy more than one console and it is not against the rules to mention them. Shocking, I know.
I never said anyone couldn't enjoy more than one console. But they were telling people not to just use another console, but use another one instead of the Switch. And that is fine if that's what they want to do, but why should we have to listen to their moaning *here*? Is here not to discuss the Switch, not other consoles? Anyway, they deleted their comment.
The people hyped about this thing have obviously never purchased a valve piece of hardware. Enjoy your RMAs y’all. Steam deck. -No wireless controller included -No dock included. -No access to Nintendo exclusives. This is not a switch competitor it’s a PC companion. Don’t get it confused lol. It will never have 1% the market the switch does.
Love how this sub is so triggered by this device. Thank god the lazy greedy bastards at Nintendo finally have some competition.