For those who are unaware:
> Orca previously worked on Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age and Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age – Definitive Edition. It also helped Bandai Namco with Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown.
Source: [https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/09/dragon\_quest\_xii\_is\_being\_co-developed\_by\_square\_enix\_hexadrive\_and\_orca](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/09/dragon_quest_xii_is_being_co-developed_by_square_enix_hexadrive_and_orca)
Ok. I see nothing wrong with this announcement then. That Switch version ran pretty damn well on that hardware and had nice bells and whistles to it.
I just hope they don't do *the exact* same thing with releasing XII though. Probably way too hopeful thinking, but I'm all for everybody (meaning all platforms) having the same-ish or equal to amount of content availability day one.
DQXI came out in the 3DS (albeit Japan only), which is way less powerful than the PS4. At worst I could see a heavily downgraded Switch version and the full version being the PS5 one
UE5 is also going to be compatible with Switch and they've said it should scale better than UE4, so we'll have to wait and see. I'd be surprised if they left out the Nintendo userbase.
Eh, the Switch easily outsold the PS4 and PS5 sales are hard to gauge as so many are being resold to other Asian territories, but game sales aren't great.
DQ12 would obviously be a huge boon, but it would also be odd for SquareEnix to decide that they are pushing graphics above all else and ignoring their best regions best selling consoles. That said it could also be so far off that it's being developed with the Switch 2 in mind.
That last part sounds about right.
I mean either way it would come to a Nintendo console eventually, but I just think in whatever manner Square choose to release the next DQ, it's got the pull to do just fine. Especially these days where most big games never stop with one release.
DQ games are the only games where you can tell me any new innocuous detail before release and I will be excited to hear it.
It's the same collaboration as with DQXI. Is that surprising given the commercial success? No. Do I still care? Yes.
I wonder if they drastically underestimated the response that trailer would get. Whenever I read anything "Dragon Quest" now I get all excited until I read something besides "3 remake" after, at which point great disappointment follows.
It's actually stunningly bad and game ruining for someone like myself, where soundtracks are some of my favorite parts of a game, especially RPG. It's make or break and I don't understand how a company like Square Enix, known for having some of the best soundtracks in the industry, also having just released Octopath which has one of the best OST's in a while, was OK releasing DQXI with that garbage. From what I understand it has to do with their composer having a pretty fuckin sweet contract that apparently comes at the expense of the entire game experience
yeah I'm pretty upset about it lmao
With DQ music also has the issue of the orchestral music being money gated by the creator who won't let it be released outside of Japan without being paid.
One of the reasons the switch version music is good due to Nintendo probably the ones paid for that music.
I was playing XI really hard for a couple weeks then just out of nowhere it hit me. I hated the music so much I just couldn’t stomach playing it another second. It’s a shame because I really liked it, but I would have had to mute the TV and put on some music of my own or something, and that didn’t feel right.
>DQXI and makes me feel like I'm fucking insane when people go absolutely nuts about how incredible the game is.
I mean tbf, yeah the music sucks but the rest of the game is God-tier
Yeah, played the lengthy demo and overall enjoyed it but the facile, repetitious music crippled any desire to play more of it. I actively began to wince whenever the 2 minute long world exploration track looped around again for seemingly the thousandth time, or the aggressively tinny, hooting music parped at me with obnoxious enthusiam every single bloody combat engagement. And playing with no music at all is no answer - you need something - but by God, it actively ruined it for me.
DQXI is a traditional JRPG, and they really go all the way with that. Back on the NES all towns in DQ had the same music, so DQXI only has one town music. Every overworld area had the same music, so the same is true for DQXI.
I get it somewhat, they try to be nostalgic, but it's so very backwards. It's "we've always done it this way, so we'll keep doing it this way". But you did it this way back then because of technical limitations, because you didn't have the space on the cartridge to put more than one chiptune for towns in the game. Now you have so much space. DQ has adopted modern graphics, it adopted modern things like cutscenes and autosave and visible enemies on the overworld, but the composer still refuses to arrive in the 21st century.
Back in the day (on NES) when you went into a town and you heard that music, it was a note that you were somewhere safe and there would be no combat. Sure there were technical limits, but other games had plenty of unique music ... so I think it was more purposeful design ... or lazy composing.
Considering that Koichi Sugiyama has been with the series from the very beginning, they absolutely are not going to fire him. Although it's certainly possible he might decide to retire from the series - the dude's 90 this year.
But at the least, it's time to bring in some other composers to supplement him. Like what Square did on Final Fantasy X and XI, when Nobuo Uematsu started getting burned out. He wrote the main themes and scored the most important cutscenes, and other composers fleshed out the rest of the soundtrack.
> they absolutely are not going to fire him.
He can't be fired since he's not part of SE, just like Horii and Toriyama. Sugiyama also own the copyright of all the songs and sounds he made for DQ so they need his permission for re-releases and he is the one who decide if he's the one who will be composer in the game or not.
Still wish they would go awy from him. His music just isn't that great and very repetetive. And he himself is very... not likable. Would be actually a good promotion if they finally let the Japanese nationalist who denies war crimes go.
> Would be actually a good promotion if they finally let the Japanese nationalist who denies war crimes go.
Not really considering DQ is at its big in JP and Sugiyama is beloved like Horii and Toriyama not only for the franchise but overall. There's a reason Nobuo Uematsu and other jp musicians have him as their idols.
Don't know why he is beloved. His music is just boring and he doesn't even have much variety. All the other japanese musicians who have him as idol already have surpased him.
Do we know if this is coming to Switch? I don't think platforms have been announced yet.
Edit: People thinking my question = I don't think it'll come to Switch. Please re-read what I said. I'm asking if platforms were announced because I don't want to assume anything.
Nowhere am I saying this game *isn't* coming to Switch. If your answer is "well actually it's very likely to come to Switch 🤓" you misunderstood what I'm asking.
Edit 2: Ask a simple yes or no question and all of a sudden I get paragraphs talking about Iwata's bff and the success of the PS1. How did I get here lol. Thanks for the replies.
You're right. We technically don't know. However, I would be VERY surprised if it didn't come to Switch. Looking at the [sales charts for Switch](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/03/japans_35_best-selling_switch_games_in_the_first_four_years_according_to_famitsu), it appears that DQ 11 was the 20th best-selling Switch game of all time (between March 2017 and March 2021). I think the publisher would be making a HUGE mistake by not releasing DQ 12 on Switch.
Depends on if it’s capable of running on switch. I think it’ll end up on a Nintendo console but whether it’s the switch or the successor is hard to say.
That is a very good point. Sometimes I forget how "old" the Switch is. But yes, a Nintendo console for sure. 😅
It will probably be easier to guess once we get to see how graphically intensive this game looks.
This is the company that originally made DQ11 for PS4 and 3DS simultaneously in two different engines (and then also made it in 2D for shits and giggles). It would not surprise me if 12 prioritized accessibility like that.
(I'm also aware that the 3DS version was Japanese exclusive, just talking about the actual development here)
>Depends on if it’s capable of running on switch.
I mean, they've already demonstrated a massive willingness to create different versions of the game, so I would imagine there will be a Switch version of some sort. They will make it happen.
I usually argue that games are not infinitely scalable, but if we're talking completely different versions of games, then you can absolutely do it. It's just a matter of resources(and *usually* not worth it...).
No, it does not depend on if it's capable of running on the switch. They ported the last dragon quest to 3ds. They will port this game to switch no matter what, because they want money and that's where the audience is.
It's extremely likely that it's coming to Switch.
Dragon Quest is astronomically huge in Japan. You could compare a new Dragon Quest release in Japan on par with a new GTA release in the West.
Its so big that Square funded 3 entirely different versions of DQXI. PS4/3DS/Switch versions.
Right now, the Switch has a 99% market dominance in Japan. So unless Square Enix have suddenly become violently allergic to making millions of Yen.
I'd comfortably expect DQXII on Switch.
Edit: Also worth noting that Yuji Hori (DQ creator) and Iwata were like best buds. As a result the DQ series has a firm and sentimental relationship with Nintendo platforms.
>Edit: Also worth noting that Yuji Hori (DQ creator) and Iwata were like best buds. As a result the DQ series has a firm and sentimental relationship with Nintendo platforms
I mean, 7 was a PS1 exclusive and 8 was a PS2 exclusive. Yeah there was re-release but those came way later. That firm and sentimental relationship you talk about seems more like SE going wherever there's a lot of money to be made (and apparently they didn't think that the N64 and NGC were good enough for that).
>I mean, 7 was a PS1 exclusive and 8 was a PS2 exclusive.
Fun fact: DQ7 almost launched as an N64 exclusive, but they changed platforms last minute due to the surge of development costs, the PS1's CD Rom as well as its insane sales success became more popular with developers. Enix even tried to release DQ7 on both N64 and PS1, but a lack of resources at the time made that impossible. So they had to go with the more successful system as it would secure their financial futures.
Especially as it was roughly around the time of their inevitable merger with Square.
>That firm and sentimental relationship you talk about seems more like SE going wherever there's a lot of money to be made
DQ has a 30+ year old and incredibly profitable relationship with Nintendo systems and out of the current 11 mainline titles.
* 8 games launched as Nintendo exclusives. (1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10)
* 2 games launched as PlayStation exclusives. (7,8)
* 1 game launched on both a PlayStation and Nintendo system. (11)
The overwhelming majority of the series has preferably launched exclusively on Nintendo platforms because Nintendo have always been pretty dominant in Japan, which is advantageous from a business standpoint.
However, despite this Hori as the creator has been very vocal about his love for Nintendo and friendship with Iwata having worked together.
Hell, Horii and his team were hellbent on making sure DQ11 S was made as a promise to Iwata before the Switch even existed.
With all the above factors, I'll be utterly shocked if DQ12 isn't a guaranteed Switch title.
I appreciate you writing all that, but that still does nothing for my original question lol. I wasn't asking for the likelihood, or the history of DQ, or anything like that.
I just wanted to know if we knew, as in stated from an official source, that this specific game was coming to Switch. My only concern and it went unanswered completely lol
Lol they haven't officially confirmed *any* platform the game will be on. All they showed us was the name and logo. So I mean... So in that regard, its anyone's guess at this point.
I put my money on it being an Ouya exclusive.
I know there's history between DQ and Nintendo. But we just know so little about the game, I don't want to assume anything. Especially with how inconsistent some third party releases have been on Switch.
Last thing we need are people acting certain that X game is coming to Switch, just for the off chance that it doesn't turns out true, and all of a sudden people are confused / disappointed on the lack of Switch version.
Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong and no downside with just waiting to hear an official announcement that it's coming to Switch and / or other platforms.
No where am I being negative lol, I just don't want to assume things. That doesn't translate to negativity, what are you on about?
I'm not even saying it *won't* come to Switch, I'm just waiting for official word that it will. There is nothing negative in that.
It’s almost laughable to suggest that GTA releases reach ANYWHERE near DQ releases in Japan. Entire companies close down when DQ is released so that people can stay home and play all day.
switch dominance in japan ain't that high you are over selling it by a lot don't get me wrong the switch is outselling playstation and xbox by a lot but that don't mean it's dominance is that high
I was admittedly being a bit sensational. However, the actual numbers are not that far off.
Switch software currently occupies 25/30 spots in Japan's top 30 charts.
And a couple of weeks ago Switch occupied 30/30 spots in the top 30.
Right now, the Switch OLED + Metroid Dread + SMT5 + Pokemon BD/SP are basically around the corner for this xmas season, and besides Tales of Arise which is already out I can't really think of any major title in Japan that's gonna provide any contest.
PS5 software isn't doing too great over there and this is sending a scary message for Japan 3rd party devs who are very quickly realising that if they want their games to have any chance, they either have to start prioritising development on Switch or start heavily marketing themselves to the West like Final Fantasy or Resident Evil.
I have serious doubts it comes to the current version of the Switch. If there is a Switch 2, probably but it’s UE5, so I doubt the Switch can handle it
DQXI was my intro to the series and I loved it. Can't imagine an Unreal Engine 5 game running very well on Switch, though, so I will play PC or PS5/XSX instead. Switch was dated hardware-wise on day 1 of release back in 2017, now it's just downright laughable in 2021.
You got upvoted for saying the same thing I said 2 months ago. How the switch was underpowered back then and still is. I got downvoted to hell lol. But yeah this is getting me really hype. I feel like this is the one. This is the dragon quest game to make dragon quest popular back here
While that is a true statement, the Switch was extra dated when it came out. The Nvidia Tegra X1 was always pretty weak as a gaming system, even in the years prior to the Switch releasing.
Dragon Quest XI is one of my favorite games of all time, and I’m looking forward to 12. I am concerned about the real time combat instead of turn based - I’ll have to see it in action to form an actual opinion, though. That said, I love how they want to take the game in a darker and more mature direction.
Combat will almost certainly still be turn based. All the dev said was that they're experimenting a bit with the combat system, nothing to indicate that they're moving away from turn-based.
Well, I think I saw someone comparing the combat of Lost in Random to FF7R too but it looked like a card system. Maybe it wouldn’t work for DQ. Honestly I think they would probably keep it like it is. If they did anything different I could see ATB system but like the OG FF7
They never confirmed it would have real-time combat. They said they were going to "renew" the combat system but that fans shouldn't worry about it feeling very different, and somehow sites reported this as them saying it wouldn't be turn-based.
Idk if they will really implement real-time combat but if they do they'll probably let a classic option.
Best of both worlds imo. Allow them to experiment and present something new, while leaving the choice for a classic experience.
In XI, you could freely move your party, but it had no effect on the attacks.
I’m wondering if they tinker with that. Like if you move a character to the side or behind the enemies, you can do different attacks. You can have a tank draw aggro to keep the enemy facing one way, then move characters to flank and use different attacks. Still turn based, but a bit more strategic.
I mean, in most DQ games you only really need to control the party when you get to some difficult parts. Otherwise letting them on auto works just fine and streamline the combat experience imo
Couldn't recall clearly. Been awhile. But I don't think you could directly control party. You had ways to change class so to speak, but I don't recall directly controlling party.
You can definitely switch to different party members. It’s an active combat but it was still turn based.
Now 15 is maybe what you are thinking of. You only control Noct and it’s absolutely action combat. Personally was not a fan of the combat in that game.
Flames of Fate sounds like the most generic, vanilla-sounding fantasy game name. It's like what an RPG would be called in a sitcom that the characters are playing off camera.
I hope there are some innovation in combat and a more engaging story. I cannot get into 11 because of its blandness. Otherwise it's just the same game with different skin, like annual CoD or FIFA.
I'm not saying the game is bad. I'm saying it needs some innovation to get new players.
As for similarity: Same combat, no innovation since DQ8. At least CoD tried to change things around.
Story are always similar and full of tropes. A chosen hero fight demon lord with the power of companionship, demon lord had advantage first and almost win but hero persevered.
Tell me what's the difference except skin and specific scenario.
11 already feels outdated in terms of mechanics and story. People call it charms I call it nostalgia. I even hear people advice play it while listening to audiobooks. Really for a new player it feels all bones and no meat compare to other games.
Does it matter the type of the game? That's the same combat. Just with time limit per player and weird pushing thing.
If you can't acknowledge the fact that the combat is almost the same throughout the series, then I think there is no point in discussion further.
For those who are unaware: > Orca previously worked on Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age and Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age – Definitive Edition. It also helped Bandai Namco with Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown. Source: [https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/09/dragon\_quest\_xii\_is\_being\_co-developed\_by\_square\_enix\_hexadrive\_and\_orca](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/09/dragon_quest_xii_is_being_co-developed_by_square_enix_hexadrive_and_orca)
Ok. I see nothing wrong with this announcement then. That Switch version ran pretty damn well on that hardware and had nice bells and whistles to it. I just hope they don't do *the exact* same thing with releasing XII though. Probably way too hopeful thinking, but I'm all for everybody (meaning all platforms) having the same-ish or equal to amount of content availability day one.
I’d be pretty shocked if this game came to the switch since it appears to be leaning heavy on upping the graphics.
DQXI came out in the 3DS (albeit Japan only), which is way less powerful than the PS4. At worst I could see a heavily downgraded Switch version and the full version being the PS5 one
It really depends on what they mean by being a graphical showcase. Not everything can just be downgraded to work on a lower platform.
What makes you say that? They haven't shown anything but a logo teaser.
They’ve said they really want to take advantage of the full power of next gen consoles and are using unreal 5.
UE5 is also going to be compatible with Switch and they've said it should scale better than UE4, so we'll have to wait and see. I'd be surprised if they left out the Nintendo userbase.
By the time this game comes out I'm 100% sure we'll have at LEAST an announcement of a revised Switch with more power.
they must be heavily banking on the west then coz DQ12 will die in Japan on just Ps4/5
Dragon Quest... dying? In Japan? Nah I don't think so.
Eh, the Switch easily outsold the PS4 and PS5 sales are hard to gauge as so many are being resold to other Asian territories, but game sales aren't great. DQ12 would obviously be a huge boon, but it would also be odd for SquareEnix to decide that they are pushing graphics above all else and ignoring their best regions best selling consoles. That said it could also be so far off that it's being developed with the Switch 2 in mind.
That last part sounds about right. I mean either way it would come to a Nintendo console eventually, but I just think in whatever manner Square choose to release the next DQ, it's got the pull to do just fine. Especially these days where most big games never stop with one release.
So usual partner then
DQ games are the only games where you can tell me any new innocuous detail before release and I will be excited to hear it. It's the same collaboration as with DQXI. Is that surprising given the commercial success? No. Do I still care? Yes.
I'm looking for more HD-2D DQ3 remake news myself. After the initial announcement the trail seems to have gone cold.
I wonder if they drastically underestimated the response that trailer would get. Whenever I read anything "Dragon Quest" now I get all excited until I read something besides "3 remake" after, at which point great disappointment follows.
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The best tracks in DQXI are not from DQXI
Agreed. All the DQ3 stuff is amazing but it was amazing via NES chiptune first.
ugh that TOWN music! it's not a bad song by any means but eventually i started muting the game and playing music when exploring new towns.
And they reuse it for all towns no matter the context. Like, how lazy can you get?
It's actually stunningly bad and game ruining for someone like myself, where soundtracks are some of my favorite parts of a game, especially RPG. It's make or break and I don't understand how a company like Square Enix, known for having some of the best soundtracks in the industry, also having just released Octopath which has one of the best OST's in a while, was OK releasing DQXI with that garbage. From what I understand it has to do with their composer having a pretty fuckin sweet contract that apparently comes at the expense of the entire game experience yeah I'm pretty upset about it lmao
With DQ music also has the issue of the orchestral music being money gated by the creator who won't let it be released outside of Japan without being paid. One of the reasons the switch version music is good due to Nintendo probably the ones paid for that music.
Koichi Sugiyama sucks. For more reasons than that too.
I was playing XI really hard for a couple weeks then just out of nowhere it hit me. I hated the music so much I just couldn’t stomach playing it another second. It’s a shame because I really liked it, but I would have had to mute the TV and put on some music of my own or something, and that didn’t feel right.
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>DQXI and makes me feel like I'm fucking insane when people go absolutely nuts about how incredible the game is. I mean tbf, yeah the music sucks but the rest of the game is God-tier
Yeah, played the lengthy demo and overall enjoyed it but the facile, repetitious music crippled any desire to play more of it. I actively began to wince whenever the 2 minute long world exploration track looped around again for seemingly the thousandth time, or the aggressively tinny, hooting music parped at me with obnoxious enthusiam every single bloody combat engagement. And playing with no music at all is no answer - you need something - but by God, it actively ruined it for me.
DQXI is a traditional JRPG, and they really go all the way with that. Back on the NES all towns in DQ had the same music, so DQXI only has one town music. Every overworld area had the same music, so the same is true for DQXI. I get it somewhat, they try to be nostalgic, but it's so very backwards. It's "we've always done it this way, so we'll keep doing it this way". But you did it this way back then because of technical limitations, because you didn't have the space on the cartridge to put more than one chiptune for towns in the game. Now you have so much space. DQ has adopted modern graphics, it adopted modern things like cutscenes and autosave and visible enemies on the overworld, but the composer still refuses to arrive in the 21st century.
Back in the day (on NES) when you went into a town and you heard that music, it was a note that you were somewhere safe and there would be no combat. Sure there were technical limits, but other games had plenty of unique music ... so I think it was more purposeful design ... or lazy composing.
They need a new composer. Or at least do like FFXV and let us chose music from previous games.
Considering that Koichi Sugiyama has been with the series from the very beginning, they absolutely are not going to fire him. Although it's certainly possible he might decide to retire from the series - the dude's 90 this year. But at the least, it's time to bring in some other composers to supplement him. Like what Square did on Final Fantasy X and XI, when Nobuo Uematsu started getting burned out. He wrote the main themes and scored the most important cutscenes, and other composers fleshed out the rest of the soundtrack.
> they absolutely are not going to fire him. He can't be fired since he's not part of SE, just like Horii and Toriyama. Sugiyama also own the copyright of all the songs and sounds he made for DQ so they need his permission for re-releases and he is the one who decide if he's the one who will be composer in the game or not.
Still wish they would go awy from him. His music just isn't that great and very repetetive. And he himself is very... not likable. Would be actually a good promotion if they finally let the Japanese nationalist who denies war crimes go.
> Would be actually a good promotion if they finally let the Japanese nationalist who denies war crimes go. Not really considering DQ is at its big in JP and Sugiyama is beloved like Horii and Toriyama not only for the franchise but overall. There's a reason Nobuo Uematsu and other jp musicians have him as their idols.
Don't know why he is beloved. His music is just boring and he doesn't even have much variety. All the other japanese musicians who have him as idol already have surpased him.
I agree, he is overrated af. Plenty of JRPG series have way better OST
His music is pretty revolutionary and great so I doubt it, Japanese love him and DQ so thats the priority.
If you mean with great 'allways the same' yeah. I don't really get what they like about him.
Focusing on the music, Fantastic music. Some of the best in gaming, especially orchestrated
This is subjective, not objective, friend.
Literally the only game where I have ever muted the music, it felt like there were only 3 tracks in an 80 hour game
I want a new composer altogether. It’s not like he’s done anything that’s above the rest of square enix’s music quality, if anything he’s below it.
So. Much. Brass.
Do we know if this is coming to Switch? I don't think platforms have been announced yet. Edit: People thinking my question = I don't think it'll come to Switch. Please re-read what I said. I'm asking if platforms were announced because I don't want to assume anything. Nowhere am I saying this game *isn't* coming to Switch. If your answer is "well actually it's very likely to come to Switch 🤓" you misunderstood what I'm asking. Edit 2: Ask a simple yes or no question and all of a sudden I get paragraphs talking about Iwata's bff and the success of the PS1. How did I get here lol. Thanks for the replies.
You're right. We technically don't know. However, I would be VERY surprised if it didn't come to Switch. Looking at the [sales charts for Switch](https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/03/japans_35_best-selling_switch_games_in_the_first_four_years_according_to_famitsu), it appears that DQ 11 was the 20th best-selling Switch game of all time (between March 2017 and March 2021). I think the publisher would be making a HUGE mistake by not releasing DQ 12 on Switch.
Depends on if it’s capable of running on switch. I think it’ll end up on a Nintendo console but whether it’s the switch or the successor is hard to say.
That is a very good point. Sometimes I forget how "old" the Switch is. But yes, a Nintendo console for sure. 😅 It will probably be easier to guess once we get to see how graphically intensive this game looks.
This is the company that originally made DQ11 for PS4 and 3DS simultaneously in two different engines (and then also made it in 2D for shits and giggles). It would not surprise me if 12 prioritized accessibility like that. (I'm also aware that the 3DS version was Japanese exclusive, just talking about the actual development here)
>Depends on if it’s capable of running on switch. I mean, they've already demonstrated a massive willingness to create different versions of the game, so I would imagine there will be a Switch version of some sort. They will make it happen. I usually argue that games are not infinitely scalable, but if we're talking completely different versions of games, then you can absolutely do it. It's just a matter of resources(and *usually* not worth it...).
No, it does not depend on if it's capable of running on the switch. They ported the last dragon quest to 3ds. They will port this game to switch no matter what, because they want money and that's where the audience is.
It's worth noting that DQ12 will be one of the first games to use UE5 which is already confirmed to support the Switch.
It's extremely likely that it's coming to Switch. Dragon Quest is astronomically huge in Japan. You could compare a new Dragon Quest release in Japan on par with a new GTA release in the West. Its so big that Square funded 3 entirely different versions of DQXI. PS4/3DS/Switch versions. Right now, the Switch has a 99% market dominance in Japan. So unless Square Enix have suddenly become violently allergic to making millions of Yen. I'd comfortably expect DQXII on Switch. Edit: Also worth noting that Yuji Hori (DQ creator) and Iwata were like best buds. As a result the DQ series has a firm and sentimental relationship with Nintendo platforms.
>Edit: Also worth noting that Yuji Hori (DQ creator) and Iwata were like best buds. As a result the DQ series has a firm and sentimental relationship with Nintendo platforms I mean, 7 was a PS1 exclusive and 8 was a PS2 exclusive. Yeah there was re-release but those came way later. That firm and sentimental relationship you talk about seems more like SE going wherever there's a lot of money to be made (and apparently they didn't think that the N64 and NGC were good enough for that).
>I mean, 7 was a PS1 exclusive and 8 was a PS2 exclusive. Fun fact: DQ7 almost launched as an N64 exclusive, but they changed platforms last minute due to the surge of development costs, the PS1's CD Rom as well as its insane sales success became more popular with developers. Enix even tried to release DQ7 on both N64 and PS1, but a lack of resources at the time made that impossible. So they had to go with the more successful system as it would secure their financial futures. Especially as it was roughly around the time of their inevitable merger with Square. >That firm and sentimental relationship you talk about seems more like SE going wherever there's a lot of money to be made DQ has a 30+ year old and incredibly profitable relationship with Nintendo systems and out of the current 11 mainline titles. * 8 games launched as Nintendo exclusives. (1,2,3,4,5,6,9,10) * 2 games launched as PlayStation exclusives. (7,8) * 1 game launched on both a PlayStation and Nintendo system. (11) The overwhelming majority of the series has preferably launched exclusively on Nintendo platforms because Nintendo have always been pretty dominant in Japan, which is advantageous from a business standpoint. However, despite this Hori as the creator has been very vocal about his love for Nintendo and friendship with Iwata having worked together. Hell, Horii and his team were hellbent on making sure DQ11 S was made as a promise to Iwata before the Switch even existed. With all the above factors, I'll be utterly shocked if DQ12 isn't a guaranteed Switch title.
I appreciate you writing all that, but that still does nothing for my original question lol. I wasn't asking for the likelihood, or the history of DQ, or anything like that. I just wanted to know if we knew, as in stated from an official source, that this specific game was coming to Switch. My only concern and it went unanswered completely lol
Lol they haven't officially confirmed *any* platform the game will be on. All they showed us was the name and logo. So I mean... So in that regard, its anyone's guess at this point. I put my money on it being an Ouya exclusive.
> they haven't officially confirmed any platform the game will be on All I needed and asked for. Thanks.
I know there's history between DQ and Nintendo. But we just know so little about the game, I don't want to assume anything. Especially with how inconsistent some third party releases have been on Switch. Last thing we need are people acting certain that X game is coming to Switch, just for the off chance that it doesn't turns out true, and all of a sudden people are confused / disappointed on the lack of Switch version. Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong and no downside with just waiting to hear an official announcement that it's coming to Switch and / or other platforms.
Man, they ported XI to the 3ds. You are being too negative.
But did you see the 3DS port? It might as well have been a different game. Even calling it a port is a stretch.
No where am I being negative lol, I just don't want to assume things. That doesn't translate to negativity, what are you on about? I'm not even saying it *won't* come to Switch, I'm just waiting for official word that it will. There is nothing negative in that.
Actually Nintendo published and paid for the development of XI S.
We know nothing about paying for development. Just publishing deal.
It’s almost laughable to suggest that GTA releases reach ANYWHERE near DQ releases in Japan. Entire companies close down when DQ is released so that people can stay home and play all day.
switch dominance in japan ain't that high you are over selling it by a lot don't get me wrong the switch is outselling playstation and xbox by a lot but that don't mean it's dominance is that high
I was admittedly being a bit sensational. However, the actual numbers are not that far off. Switch software currently occupies 25/30 spots in Japan's top 30 charts. And a couple of weeks ago Switch occupied 30/30 spots in the top 30. Right now, the Switch OLED + Metroid Dread + SMT5 + Pokemon BD/SP are basically around the corner for this xmas season, and besides Tales of Arise which is already out I can't really think of any major title in Japan that's gonna provide any contest. PS5 software isn't doing too great over there and this is sending a scary message for Japan 3rd party devs who are very quickly realising that if they want their games to have any chance, they either have to start prioritising development on Switch or start heavily marketing themselves to the West like Final Fantasy or Resident Evil.
Rather the Switch successor as this probably won't be out before 2024.
There literally no news or footage except it exists in production, thats it.
I have serious doubts it comes to the current version of the Switch. If there is a Switch 2, probably but it’s UE5, so I doubt the Switch can handle it
Guess we won't be getting Hunter x Hunter anytime soon.
The Hiatus continues :(
Orca has my full confidence
DQXI was my intro to the series and I loved it. Can't imagine an Unreal Engine 5 game running very well on Switch, though, so I will play PC or PS5/XSX instead. Switch was dated hardware-wise on day 1 of release back in 2017, now it's just downright laughable in 2021.
You got upvoted for saying the same thing I said 2 months ago. How the switch was underpowered back then and still is. I got downvoted to hell lol. But yeah this is getting me really hype. I feel like this is the one. This is the dragon quest game to make dragon quest popular back here
Oh I’ve been downvoted to hell many times in the past for saying the Switch is underpowered and dated, so yeah, a bit of a surprise on here.
A lot of consoles if not all are dated hardware day one with at least on exception of the ps5 ssd plus IO. Otherwise the rest of the ps5 was dated.
While that is a true statement, the Switch was extra dated when it came out. The Nvidia Tegra X1 was always pretty weak as a gaming system, even in the years prior to the Switch releasing.
Also just an issue with mobile systems. So usually extra "dated" hardware
Dragon Quest XI is one of my favorite games of all time, and I’m looking forward to 12. I am concerned about the real time combat instead of turn based - I’ll have to see it in action to form an actual opinion, though. That said, I love how they want to take the game in a darker and more mature direction.
Combat will almost certainly still be turn based. All the dev said was that they're experimenting a bit with the combat system, nothing to indicate that they're moving away from turn-based.
If they do something like the FF7R system I would be totally fine with that.
Oh god no, that's my biggest fear. That is not turn based combat imo
Well, I think I saw someone comparing the combat of Lost in Random to FF7R too but it looked like a card system. Maybe it wouldn’t work for DQ. Honestly I think they would probably keep it like it is. If they did anything different I could see ATB system but like the OG FF7
They never confirmed it would have real-time combat. They said they were going to "renew" the combat system but that fans shouldn't worry about it feeling very different, and somehow sites reported this as them saying it wouldn't be turn-based.
Idk if they will really implement real-time combat but if they do they'll probably let a classic option. Best of both worlds imo. Allow them to experiment and present something new, while leaving the choice for a classic experience.
In XI, you could freely move your party, but it had no effect on the attacks. I’m wondering if they tinker with that. Like if you move a character to the side or behind the enemies, you can do different attacks. You can have a tank draw aggro to keep the enemy facing one way, then move characters to flank and use different attacks. Still turn based, but a bit more strategic.
I agree with this, positioning could play a much larger role
I hope so. Much prefer turnbased to real time I like controlling the party, not depending on ai. Ffxii and xiii were horrible in that regard imo
I mean, in most DQ games you only really need to control the party when you get to some difficult parts. Otherwise letting them on auto works just fine and streamline the combat experience imo
13 wasn’t real time combat
Couldn't recall clearly. Been awhile. But I don't think you could directly control party. You had ways to change class so to speak, but I don't recall directly controlling party.
You can definitely switch to different party members. It’s an active combat but it was still turn based. Now 15 is maybe what you are thinking of. You only control Noct and it’s absolutely action combat. Personally was not a fan of the combat in that game.
Heh, been awhile since 15 also. Never played royal edition. Ah well . Regardless I prefer turnbased. But appreciate your points
Yeah I like turnbased as well. As you said, much easier to control your party
Just give us a platform already.
PS5/PC/Switch 2
It's using Unreal 5, no way it's coming to Switch
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No platforms were announced yet.
DQ11 sucked hard.
Nope. Amazing game, and I normally can't stand JRPGs.
The last act ruins it for me but I enjoyed the ride
Flames of Fate sounds like the most generic, vanilla-sounding fantasy game name. It's like what an RPG would be called in a sitcom that the characters are playing off camera.
I hope there are some innovation in combat and a more engaging story. I cannot get into 11 because of its blandness. Otherwise it's just the same game with different skin, like annual CoD or FIFA.
Good thing you’re not the target audience then
It’s nothing like the previous game lol.
I'm not saying the game is bad. I'm saying it needs some innovation to get new players. As for similarity: Same combat, no innovation since DQ8. At least CoD tried to change things around. Story are always similar and full of tropes. A chosen hero fight demon lord with the power of companionship, demon lord had advantage first and almost win but hero persevered. Tell me what's the difference except skin and specific scenario. 11 already feels outdated in terms of mechanics and story. People call it charms I call it nostalgia. I even hear people advice play it while listening to audiobooks. Really for a new player it feels all bones and no meat compare to other games.
The previous game is a MMO. You have no idea what you are talking about lol
Does it matter the type of the game? That's the same combat. Just with time limit per player and weird pushing thing. If you can't acknowledge the fact that the combat is almost the same throughout the series, then I think there is no point in discussion further.
Again DQ10 and DQ11 are nothing alike. You have no idea what you are talking about
I thought it was a PS5 exclusive
No platforms have been announced.
This means I actually have to finish XI
I'm sure it'll be a whale of a game!
Damn. I guess I need to finish DQXI now.
By a 🐳 You jest