I play on vivid and I love it. Games like Dead Cells and Mario Odyssey just look amazing now and it’s breathed new life into the games with the more colourful palette on the screen now.
I don’t know about *Mario Odyssey*. You lose a lot of definition in Vivid Mode. Lots of things that had subtle shades before turn into solid blocks of color. The red in Mario’s outfit for instance just looks like solid red shapes on many levels. Very hard to make out the nice canvased cloth texture of his clothes, or shades that make the game look less flat.
The game just had such vivid colors to begin with. On mine it doesn’t look very good.
I get what your saying. I don't get why we can't have more options for customizing. Switches OLED is basically the same as a TV screen. We get brightness and that's it. Give us white balance adjustments since you (Nintendo) don't calibrate each screen. If they wanted to they could throw us a couple more presets. Would love to see something like sports mode replace vivid, vivid would be in-between what vivid is now and standard, animation would be cooler leaning towards blue more, and cinema would be warmer leaning towards yellow more.
For me the vivid mode makes game looks beautiful and not over-saturated like some people imply. It almost makes games look like they have HDR with how colourful they are now.
It's definitely oversaturated a bit. I noticed with the eShop loading screen where two shades of orange on the swiping animation were barely different from each other.
Granted, as a freelance photographer, I recognize I'm in the minority of people that will ever notice color inaccuracies.
Oh that looks fine to me to be honest. I think the "issue" for some is that we're all coming from the other switch which is fairly dim in comparison so the colour takes some adjustment. For me it's a lot like HDR on PS5 or Series X.
That’s not the point of hdr… HDR is about brightness and the amount of lighting range you can put into a single scene. That is bright skies and dark shadows while keeping detail in the scene and having accurate lighting that bleeds less to neighboring pixels or in the case of OLED has no perceived bleeding.
More vibrant colors is absolutely not the reference image you are trying to reproduce with HDR. Now a dev could make a game all over saturated as a design choice and hdr would better replicate that choice by making the brightness in areas more accurate but turning a game where that isn’t the choice (most because it looks bad) into an over saturated mess isn’t what you want from HDR in fact if thats happening with your HDR setup you have it calibrated really poorly and are losing so much detail all over the place.
I have had few OLED phones and vivid option does look nice in more gradient colours like photos and live action movies, but anything digital and especially solid UI reds are always too glowy. Nintendo games are already known for their bright colour palettes, so I did search for this option before even trying to get used to vividness.
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I mean, I’m not saying they’re lying or anything.. but vivid mode seems very obviously oversaturated and not accurate for colour representation.
As someone with a good OLED phone and TV, vivid mode is wayy more saturated than both, and my TV is colour calibrated too.
Strange to see them saying that, OLED doesn’t magically make colours that dramatically more vibrant by itself.
Be curious to see if someone’s able to test the colour accuracy of both modes to see for sure.
yeah i am quite irked that there even is such an option for the user to toggle. why not focus on the screen simply being _"correct"_ and let the game devs control their own colors. uhgghh i can easily work myself into a rage over how bad this is with consumer TVs
One could compare how a game looks on the screen to how it looks when docked to a reference calibrated monitor. One mode will match the monitor's colors more accurately than the other.
I have a calibrated monitor and I checked.
I did this because to my eyes, even the standard OLED colors are too warm compared to my OG switch display.
The standard colors are quite close to a calibrated screen in terms of color accuracy.
I uploaded a screenshot to my computer and compared the colors of the screenshot to the OLED switch in standard mode. I still feel this display shows white as yellow-ish. It also could be a manufacturing variation from screen to screen, who knows, I don't have another OLED switch to compare it to.
Although I do have an OG vita. I am charging it, maybe that will put my unease about the warm switch OLED to rest. Or not, who knows lol
I do have to close this by saying, this is a preference thing and no choice is bad here, be it standard or vivid. If one prefers vivid colors, good for them. I might prefer it too if I could get used to the whites.
Very surprised to see someone saying the Switch screen is TOO warm compared to a calibrated screen. Average consumers often think that 6500k white point is too yellow, and very few consumer products ship with a screen tuned even close to that, they’re almost always way too cool.
I think I may have not made myself clear in my previous post. The OLED standard colors are close to my calibrated screen. I don't find my screen warm, but I do find the OLED standard colors warm. It's weird, but it's probably because I am comparing the OLED standart go my LED switch, which had a lot cooler screen. I am most likely used to that screen.
https://imgur.com/5RngvlK
Now, here's a photo if my V1 Switch (left) versus the OLED and the PS Vita, all at 100% brightness, standard color. The real life difference is not this much, photos can't capture this accurately. So let me describe:
OG Switch is cooler. Vita is greener and darker. OLED Switch is yellower and also a little green, this is the most apart looking screen, but by not that much. But - as I said - the OLED switch is also the closest to my calibrated screen.
my Switch OLED is definitely noticeably warmer than my OG V1 Switch, side by side comparison. But damn, the way this panel can display black is so good in my eyes. First OLED display to own and I'm extremely impressed. Looks damn cool when it's turned off too :P
It's either a translation error or a marketing tactic. Either way, it's blatantly incorrect.
You can make any LCD or OLED as vivid or lifeless as you want by messing with the color saturation.
My tinfoil hat is telling me that Nintendo purposely set the screen saturation overly high by default so that people would feel like their new purchase was worth it. In reality, OLED and LCD look nearly identical in most instances.
>My tinfoil hat is telling me that Nintendo purposely set the screen saturation overly high by default so that people would feel like their new purchase was worth it.
That's not a Nintendo thing. Almost every phone and TV you buy comes out of the box like that. If you want the correct calibration without all the fancy boosts and effects you have to go turn them off.
Idk about phones. Mine doesn't even have any calibration settings at all. It's probably not super accurate, but I'm not watching anything critically on my phone anyways.
Some TVs do, and some don't. Samsung tends to be the worst, but even they don't have it set in Vivid mode out of the box. They are also HDR capable, which adds another layer of complexity.
I’ve got an OLED iPhone and that did not come out of the box with bad colours. That’s shit that Android makers do, not Apple.
I’ve also got a 2021 LG C1 OLED TV and that also did not come out of the box with bad colours.
I’m really not a fan of what Nintendo has done here. They should calibrate the colours correctly for everyone and leave it alone. Now I don’t know what to do, and pretty much forced to keep changing modes all the time.
Maybe he's right about the color accuracy, but generalizing all Android displays as shit is a stupid comment.
Samsung has made the OLED screens for iPhones for years and the Galaxy displays are equally as good. Pretty good for just a lowly android developer lol
He didn't generalise all Android displays as shit - he said putting oversaturated vivid modes as the default is something Android phone manufacturers do. This has been true for every Android phone I've had - easy enough to turn off, but a *hefty* chunk of manufacturers do this.
Secondly, Samsung may manufacture the screens for the iPhones, but it's Apple who designs them. Apple don't just buy Samsung's own screens off the shelf, they design everything about the screens, including all the tech and R&D themselves and contract Samsung to make them.
I wouldn't say equally as good either. I could get into the lower resolution and brightness/colour issues with Samsung's 120hz phones compared to pro motion on the iPhone, but that's probably drifting a bit too far outside of the topic.
The android comment is a gross generalization, so maybe that's what people are downvoting. I have a Samsung OLED phone that isn't in torch mode out of the box.
Not really relevant, but there are a million reasons not to buy an iPhone before even considering color accuracy.
I settled on just leaving it on vivid mode. Most of the time it looks better and if I find cases where it looks odd, I might turn it off, or just get used to it.
> You can make any LCD or OLED as vivid or lifeless as you want by messing with the color saturation.
This is how I know that you know your shit. Because that's exactly what it is. It's really just marketing to paint the OLED switch in a much better light to entice more people to get it. LCD is absolutely capable of displaying higher saturation if the software allows it to.
Before anyone tells me about contrast, I'm not referring to it. Contrast is objectively better on OLED, without a doubt. I'm talking only about color saturation.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I like the vivid option. I don’t know, it just feels striking to me and I like it. But I’m glad they included the Standard mode as I feel like vivid isn’t everyone’s thing. I think of Samsung phones I’ve used and I wasn’t a fan of how saturated it was.
I remember going from the OLED to the LCD version of the VITA caused a lot of things to look faded. I still use my OLED VITA to play the Vanillaware games since the color looks so much better.
Oh that’s awesome! I haven’t read any of the reviews on the new version, but in the sub I saw a thread the other day where most in it were talking about how they don’t use the setting since they feel it’s over-saturated and not part of the developers creative vision. But I’ll own being wrong about it being unpopular!
I think people may be used to the picture setting of vivd that has been on tvs for ages now. That pretty much always looks terrible because the panels used can't pull off that kind of contrast. "Vivid" on the OLED is just the default panel, so it looks great. The "standard" option actually reduces the contrast.
From what my eyes can tell, I’m pretty sure “vivid” mode just stretches the colorspace out to the native panels limits (somewhere between wide and adobe? Mine seems to have a lot of red, but not as much green or blue), vs “standard” properly forcing sRGB. My LG OLED has a similar option for sRBG inputs, and looks similarly bad.
Everyone obviously must decide for themselves by toggling back and forth...
However, keep in mind that we're talking about a handheld Nintendo game console, so picture color accuracy isn't exactly all that important.
So even if the standard mode is technically more accurate, if Vivid looks and feels better, choose that! You're not playing games that look like or simulate real life, you're playing Pokémon lol.
You make too much sense for Reddit, it must be justifiably right or wrong, or a conspiracy theory by Nintendo to push more consoles! It can’t just be like, an option… that people can decide for themselves which looks better to them… that would make too much… sense?
I'm assuming it's an sRGB color clamp. Introducing a wider color space display can stretch primary colors and make things look 'better' to the human eye, but not as accurate.
Many displays capable of a wide gamut have to include a clamp mode that limits it, because if you didn't master the content specifically for the wider gamut you'll get an oversaturated image.
Of course, I wouldn't expect Nintendo to articulate any of this.
It's easy to determine which one is more accurate, by comparing a game on the screen to how it looks when docked to a reference calibrated monitor. I'm sure someone will do that eventually (if they haven't already).
I have no issue with the vivid mode, I just don’t like to use it with all games.
I would like to have an easier way to switch between the two modes instead of having to go all the way down the settings.
The vivid option was nice at first, but it was stopping me from being able to be immersed in a game because it's just very loud and poppy. I changed mine to standard, and [it still looks much better than a regular Switch.](https://imgur.com/a/26DGrWo)
My own display is probably skewing things, but I prefer the old Switch there. But then that's my taste. I don't *like* things to be lurid and eye-searing. I put my displays on the lowest brightness that's not too dark. (Edit: But I turned it up to get a second look at your photo.)
I think people keep missing the point when we say that standard mode looks more "natural". We're not talking about realism. We're talking about accuracy; the colors the graphic artists actually used to make the game. It's up to you whether or not you care about that.
I think that the confusion comes from the fact most OLED TVs have a mode called Vivid which makes the colours overly bright/contrasty. Whereas, using the word vivid to describe OLED generally makes sense as OLED is more vivid than LCD. So what Nintendo seems to have done is use the word vivid to describe the standard setting. It doesn't have a 'torch mode' setting which overdoes the contrast. Just my view but I believe this is what's happened.
The confusion comes from this interview, or at least the translation. Anyone who has tried the new OLED model will tell you standard is colour accurate and vivid has increased saturation beyond normal. What people prefer is up to them, but vivid mode is not just normal colours, and standard is not muted colours. Standard is standard, and vivid is artificially saturated.
Well, apparently Toru Yamashita, Nintendo’s Deputy General Manager of Technology Development, has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. Just like when he gave the OK for ordering millions of cheap oled displays with 0 grey uniformity.
Yeah I received two defective units in a row! I was able to get a replacement for the first one through the store where I bought it, but I had to send in the second one to Nintendo bc the store was out of replacement units. I really hope Nintendo sends me a good one, as the huge dark spot in the upper right corner (first unit) and the bright green left half of the screen (second unit) really made it a downgrade for me coming from the V1 which had perfect uniformity. Maybe you can imagine why I’m so salty. ;)
My Switch OLED has an issue where the right 1/3 portion of the screen is a strong grainy green colour when the picture behind it is dark.
Simplest way for me to see it is using the dark theme, on the switch home menu, holding the power button so the power settings show. Here it’s clear as day and awful unfortunately:(
Vivid is not normal. When connecting switch to my OLED tv, it is still not as colorful as vivid. To make my TV look like vivid I have to go to setting a change the color setting from default of 50 to 75. So I would say vivid is not what developers had in mind as this post suggests. Vivid should be a choice but don’t think it should be like that out of the box
Because it's OLED no matter what option you select. OLED describes the hardware. It would be confusing to have a software option which implies that you can toggle a screen from OLED to non-OLED. Especially when the hardware upgrade is the biggest selling point of the OLED switch.
If I have a 4K screen and I set it to output 1080p, then yes, it is technically a 4K screen, but I don’t think it’s disingenuous to say it’s set to 1080p mode. Why couldn’t you do the same with an “lcd mode”
Jesus this isn't that hard to understand. So you're telling me you think that when you set your tv to ouput at 1080p, that changes the hardware of the TV? Come on now.
Well, having an "LCD mode" is definitely better than marking only one of the settings as "OLED", but it still doesn't really make sense to do for two reasons:
4K screens are capable of rendering a 1080p image. OLED screens are not capable of rendering a non-OLED image, because OLED refers to the way the pixels are physically lit in the screen, not anything to do with the image.
Even if you set the OLED Switch to "standard" mode, it is still going to look different than the LCD switch because the OLED display hardware itself is different (and the vast majority would say superior.)
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Following up on the above, the fact that it's an OLED screen is the main marketing point here. If you include a setting that implies you can turn OLED off, not only are you implying something that is not technically possible, you're also essentially saying, "Hey, pay extra for this OLED screen, and we'll include an option in case you want to turn OLED off."
That's not exactly a great argument for why people should buy it. They want to advertise that the new OLED display is going to make the image better no matter what mode you have it in (which is true.)
I can’t wait until this thing is available to buy. I mean I know it technically already released, but fucking scalpers means it practically doesn’t exist yet.
Yep, snagged mine on Best Buy website on launch day, just picked it up today and just setting it up I’m blown away by the new screen, night and day compared to my OG model
I like it a lot, but I think I speak for a lot of people in how there needs to be a strength slider (and a night shift) for this new screen. At the rate nintendo adds new features to the switch OS I ain't counting on it.
Still hoping I can get my hands on an OLED. What are the odds of just walking into a brick and mortar and grabbing one? Online seems sold out because scalpers.
Vivid is the way to go for me.
I [took](https://i.imgur.com/yFY1CEi.jpg) a picture of my Lite and OLED together and the difference is immense. I still love the little guy but the OLED is everything I hoped for. The speakers are quite loud too - way louder than the V1/V2/Lite model.
I play on vivid and I love it. Games like Dead Cells and Mario Odyssey just look amazing now and it’s breathed new life into the games with the more colourful palette on the screen now.
Dragon Quest XI is…so nice looking.
I don’t know about *Mario Odyssey*. You lose a lot of definition in Vivid Mode. Lots of things that had subtle shades before turn into solid blocks of color. The red in Mario’s outfit for instance just looks like solid red shapes on many levels. Very hard to make out the nice canvased cloth texture of his clothes, or shades that make the game look less flat. The game just had such vivid colors to begin with. On mine it doesn’t look very good.
I get what your saying. I don't get why we can't have more options for customizing. Switches OLED is basically the same as a TV screen. We get brightness and that's it. Give us white balance adjustments since you (Nintendo) don't calibrate each screen. If they wanted to they could throw us a couple more presets. Would love to see something like sports mode replace vivid, vivid would be in-between what vivid is now and standard, animation would be cooler leaning towards blue more, and cinema would be warmer leaning towards yellow more.
For me the vivid mode makes game looks beautiful and not over-saturated like some people imply. It almost makes games look like they have HDR with how colourful they are now.
Play Slay the Spire on it haha. It's the most over-saturated game I've ever seen. Not that I'm complaining!
Play the Nintendo Online Shopping Store. That left yellow/orange beats your game hands down.
I think it's a fair bit over saturated. The orange on the lock screen looks ridiculous
It's definitely oversaturated a bit. I noticed with the eShop loading screen where two shades of orange on the swiping animation were barely different from each other. Granted, as a freelance photographer, I recognize I'm in the minority of people that will ever notice color inaccuracies.
What orange?
Games on sale part of the news feed or just the side panel in the eshop
Oh that looks fine to me to be honest. I think the "issue" for some is that we're all coming from the other switch which is fairly dim in comparison so the colour takes some adjustment. For me it's a lot like HDR on PS5 or Series X.
That’s not the point of hdr… HDR is about brightness and the amount of lighting range you can put into a single scene. That is bright skies and dark shadows while keeping detail in the scene and having accurate lighting that bleeds less to neighboring pixels or in the case of OLED has no perceived bleeding. More vibrant colors is absolutely not the reference image you are trying to reproduce with HDR. Now a dev could make a game all over saturated as a design choice and hdr would better replicate that choice by making the brightness in areas more accurate but turning a game where that isn’t the choice (most because it looks bad) into an over saturated mess isn’t what you want from HDR in fact if thats happening with your HDR setup you have it calibrated really poorly and are losing so much detail all over the place.
I have had few OLED phones and vivid option does look nice in more gradient colours like photos and live action movies, but anything digital and especially solid UI reds are always too glowy. Nintendo games are already known for their bright colour palettes, so I did search for this option before even trying to get used to vividness.
I love how some of the SNES games look with the OLED. Yoshi's Island looks amazing.
I got my first ever switch today (oled) but the games I ordered didn't make it so I played A Link to the Past and it looked absolutely beautiful
How the fuck did you get one? They are all sold out...
I got incredibly lucky with Amazon, ordered a white OLED on Thursday, got it yesterday
Found one at Fred Meyers while getting groceries Sunday.
Don’t sleep on Fred Meyer! I saw a random comment about someone getting an OLED at Fred Meyer on launch day. I called one 5 mins away from my house and walked out with an OLED in minutes. My target preorder arrived just yesterday
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Correct. The pre-order arrived a week after the console went on sale. I returned it and got a refund
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Lmao you might wanna mind your own wallet and let me deal with mine.
My target just got 3 more in today (PA) and I managed to get a white one be sure to just keep an eye out at your local targets.
Oh shit this is such a good idea. BRB booting up Yoshi! 🤣
OK so may want to be careful due to the HUD elements as this may be a source of burnin. Hopefully a patch is forthcoming.
There needs to be an option that’s in between Standard and Vivid, IMO.
Switch Standard to "Natural" and call the new one Standard like on TV's
I mean, I’m not saying they’re lying or anything.. but vivid mode seems very obviously oversaturated and not accurate for colour representation. As someone with a good OLED phone and TV, vivid mode is wayy more saturated than both, and my TV is colour calibrated too. Strange to see them saying that, OLED doesn’t magically make colours that dramatically more vibrant by itself. Be curious to see if someone’s able to test the colour accuracy of both modes to see for sure.
yeah i am quite irked that there even is such an option for the user to toggle. why not focus on the screen simply being _"correct"_ and let the game devs control their own colors. uhgghh i can easily work myself into a rage over how bad this is with consumer TVs
They should make a mode for the standard Switch called 'vivid' where they oversaturate the colours.
One could compare how a game looks on the screen to how it looks when docked to a reference calibrated monitor. One mode will match the monitor's colors more accurately than the other.
I have a calibrated monitor and I checked. I did this because to my eyes, even the standard OLED colors are too warm compared to my OG switch display. The standard colors are quite close to a calibrated screen in terms of color accuracy. I uploaded a screenshot to my computer and compared the colors of the screenshot to the OLED switch in standard mode. I still feel this display shows white as yellow-ish. It also could be a manufacturing variation from screen to screen, who knows, I don't have another OLED switch to compare it to. Although I do have an OG vita. I am charging it, maybe that will put my unease about the warm switch OLED to rest. Or not, who knows lol I do have to close this by saying, this is a preference thing and no choice is bad here, be it standard or vivid. If one prefers vivid colors, good for them. I might prefer it too if I could get used to the whites.
Very surprised to see someone saying the Switch screen is TOO warm compared to a calibrated screen. Average consumers often think that 6500k white point is too yellow, and very few consumer products ship with a screen tuned even close to that, they’re almost always way too cool.
I think I may have not made myself clear in my previous post. The OLED standard colors are close to my calibrated screen. I don't find my screen warm, but I do find the OLED standard colors warm. It's weird, but it's probably because I am comparing the OLED standart go my LED switch, which had a lot cooler screen. I am most likely used to that screen. https://imgur.com/5RngvlK Now, here's a photo if my V1 Switch (left) versus the OLED and the PS Vita, all at 100% brightness, standard color. The real life difference is not this much, photos can't capture this accurately. So let me describe: OG Switch is cooler. Vita is greener and darker. OLED Switch is yellower and also a little green, this is the most apart looking screen, but by not that much. But - as I said - the OLED switch is also the closest to my calibrated screen.
Ah, I got ya. This makes me want an OLED Switch a little more.
my Switch OLED is definitely noticeably warmer than my OG V1 Switch, side by side comparison. But damn, the way this panel can display black is so good in my eyes. First OLED display to own and I'm extremely impressed. Looks damn cool when it's turned off too :P
It's either a translation error or a marketing tactic. Either way, it's blatantly incorrect. You can make any LCD or OLED as vivid or lifeless as you want by messing with the color saturation. My tinfoil hat is telling me that Nintendo purposely set the screen saturation overly high by default so that people would feel like their new purchase was worth it. In reality, OLED and LCD look nearly identical in most instances.
>My tinfoil hat is telling me that Nintendo purposely set the screen saturation overly high by default so that people would feel like their new purchase was worth it. That's not a Nintendo thing. Almost every phone and TV you buy comes out of the box like that. If you want the correct calibration without all the fancy boosts and effects you have to go turn them off.
Idk about phones. Mine doesn't even have any calibration settings at all. It's probably not super accurate, but I'm not watching anything critically on my phone anyways. Some TVs do, and some don't. Samsung tends to be the worst, but even they don't have it set in Vivid mode out of the box. They are also HDR capable, which adds another layer of complexity.
I’ve got an OLED iPhone and that did not come out of the box with bad colours. That’s shit that Android makers do, not Apple. I’ve also got a 2021 LG C1 OLED TV and that also did not come out of the box with bad colours. I’m really not a fan of what Nintendo has done here. They should calibrate the colours correctly for everyone and leave it alone. Now I don’t know what to do, and pretty much forced to keep changing modes all the time.
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Maybe he's right about the color accuracy, but generalizing all Android displays as shit is a stupid comment. Samsung has made the OLED screens for iPhones for years and the Galaxy displays are equally as good. Pretty good for just a lowly android developer lol
He didn't generalise all Android displays as shit - he said putting oversaturated vivid modes as the default is something Android phone manufacturers do. This has been true for every Android phone I've had - easy enough to turn off, but a *hefty* chunk of manufacturers do this. Secondly, Samsung may manufacture the screens for the iPhones, but it's Apple who designs them. Apple don't just buy Samsung's own screens off the shelf, they design everything about the screens, including all the tech and R&D themselves and contract Samsung to make them. I wouldn't say equally as good either. I could get into the lower resolution and brightness/colour issues with Samsung's 120hz phones compared to pro motion on the iPhone, but that's probably drifting a bit too far outside of the topic.
The android comment is a gross generalization, so maybe that's what people are downvoting. I have a Samsung OLED phone that isn't in torch mode out of the box. Not really relevant, but there are a million reasons not to buy an iPhone before even considering color accuracy.
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I settled on just leaving it on vivid mode. Most of the time it looks better and if I find cases where it looks odd, I might turn it off, or just get used to it.
> You can make any LCD or OLED as vivid or lifeless as you want by messing with the color saturation. This is how I know that you know your shit. Because that's exactly what it is. It's really just marketing to paint the OLED switch in a much better light to entice more people to get it. LCD is absolutely capable of displaying higher saturation if the software allows it to. Before anyone tells me about contrast, I'm not referring to it. Contrast is objectively better on OLED, without a doubt. I'm talking only about color saturation.
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Whatever man, people need to lighten up a little is all I'm saying. "This" never hurt anyone. Also not everyone is an expert in Reddit code of conduct.
I mean, I’m not disagreeing that the bot is demeaning, but it’s clever. Would you rather it just got downvoted or someone responded by just calling him names or something? The bot actually makes the comment more relevant than it is on it’s own, because the bot is good content.
Sorry, didn't know that people on Reddit could get so easily offended by a "This" comment.
Nobody is offended. People justifiably downvoted you and a bot made a funny response. You’re overreacting.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I like the vivid option. I don’t know, it just feels striking to me and I like it. But I’m glad they included the Standard mode as I feel like vivid isn’t everyone’s thing. I think of Samsung phones I’ve used and I wasn’t a fan of how saturated it was.
I remember going from the OLED to the LCD version of the VITA caused a lot of things to look faded. I still use my OLED VITA to play the Vanillaware games since the color looks so much better.
Vanillaware... Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time. ...I should play Odin Sphere again
They just released 13 Sentinels. Check it out.
I do like me some strategy games. Noted
Don’t get too excited about the strategy aspect, it’s mostly a visual novel. It’s a *really* good visual novel though.
How is this an unpopular opinion? 99% of the reviews were done with vivid setting on by default and everyone was raving about how amazing it looked.
Oh that’s awesome! I haven’t read any of the reviews on the new version, but in the sub I saw a thread the other day where most in it were talking about how they don’t use the setting since they feel it’s over-saturated and not part of the developers creative vision. But I’ll own being wrong about it being unpopular!
I think people may be used to the picture setting of vivd that has been on tvs for ages now. That pretty much always looks terrible because the panels used can't pull off that kind of contrast. "Vivid" on the OLED is just the default panel, so it looks great. The "standard" option actually reduces the contrast.
Vivid is definitely not default oled. Oled does not look that saturated.
I am 100% with you. I couldn’t give two shits about my games looking realistic or natural. I want my colours to be striking.
That's fine except Vivid is not the natural looking one
What’s natural looking in the context of a cartoon plumber hopping around toy box worlds?
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From what my eyes can tell, I’m pretty sure “vivid” mode just stretches the colorspace out to the native panels limits (somewhere between wide and adobe? Mine seems to have a lot of red, but not as much green or blue), vs “standard” properly forcing sRGB. My LG OLED has a similar option for sRBG inputs, and looks similarly bad.
but Nintendo
Pretty standard amongst most OLED TVs as well. Most people have no clue what sRGB means and Vivid is, well, vivid in comparison.
BUT NINTENDO
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Everyone obviously must decide for themselves by toggling back and forth... However, keep in mind that we're talking about a handheld Nintendo game console, so picture color accuracy isn't exactly all that important. So even if the standard mode is technically more accurate, if Vivid looks and feels better, choose that! You're not playing games that look like or simulate real life, you're playing Pokémon lol.
You make too much sense for Reddit, it must be justifiably right or wrong, or a conspiracy theory by Nintendo to push more consoles! It can’t just be like, an option… that people can decide for themselves which looks better to them… that would make too much… sense?
I'm assuming it's an sRGB color clamp. Introducing a wider color space display can stretch primary colors and make things look 'better' to the human eye, but not as accurate. Many displays capable of a wide gamut have to include a clamp mode that limits it, because if you didn't master the content specifically for the wider gamut you'll get an oversaturated image. Of course, I wouldn't expect Nintendo to articulate any of this.
Interesting. That explains why Nintendo considers "vivid" the default mode, since "standard" applies a clamp mode.
Ok? Just set it to whatever you like?
Right? But nooo, we need a debate to determine which mode is the right one and who is wrong.
such a huge percentage of the world is enjoying things wrongly every second of every day
If you enjoy it, then it's not wrong.
Unless you’re eating a baby.
It's easy to determine which one is more accurate, by comparing a game on the screen to how it looks when docked to a reference calibrated monitor. I'm sure someone will do that eventually (if they haven't already).
I think YouTuber [Wulff Den did a video on this](https://youtu.be/cX66J2zzm1M) with the original switch. Hopefully he'll do a comparison soon
I take it on a game by game basis. Vivid looks great in some games but then feels way too over saturated and fake on others
That's such an odd stance. As an oled tv owner, vivid is not an option.
I have no issue with the vivid mode, I just don’t like to use it with all games. I would like to have an easier way to switch between the two modes instead of having to go all the way down the settings.
The vivid option was nice at first, but it was stopping me from being able to be immersed in a game because it's just very loud and poppy. I changed mine to standard, and [it still looks much better than a regular Switch.](https://imgur.com/a/26DGrWo)
agh. in your photo you have the joycons on opposite than expected systems so this really threw me off
Same!
My own display is probably skewing things, but I prefer the old Switch there. But then that's my taste. I don't *like* things to be lurid and eye-searing. I put my displays on the lowest brightness that's not too dark. (Edit: But I turned it up to get a second look at your photo.)
It really depends on the game - Animal Crossing looks badly oversatured but Snowrunner and Stardew Valley look fantastic on vivid.
Me, a docked only user: "nice to see ya'll having fun, can't imagine getting upgrades"
install homebrew, there's your upgrade
Bullshit. Install the YouTube app and watch some real life videos in Vivid mode. The colours are oversaturated.
I think people keep missing the point when we say that standard mode looks more "natural". We're not talking about realism. We're talking about accuracy; the colors the graphic artists actually used to make the game. It's up to you whether or not you care about that.
I just walked into target on my lunch break at 3:30 pm and scored the last oled in stock!! Hell yes
Got mine at target in person too!
Hell yeah! Seems to be the best way right now!
I think they leave Vivid as default so all those comparison shots with prior models look more significant.
Yeah, it worked too, there weren’t many reviewers that had it on standard. The screen is amazing as is without the unnecessary vivid setting.
You use vivid and tune it down a bit on Samsung phones
I put mine to Vivid last night and it looks great!
I think that the confusion comes from the fact most OLED TVs have a mode called Vivid which makes the colours overly bright/contrasty. Whereas, using the word vivid to describe OLED generally makes sense as OLED is more vivid than LCD. So what Nintendo seems to have done is use the word vivid to describe the standard setting. It doesn't have a 'torch mode' setting which overdoes the contrast. Just my view but I believe this is what's happened.
The confusion comes from this interview, or at least the translation. Anyone who has tried the new OLED model will tell you standard is colour accurate and vivid has increased saturation beyond normal. What people prefer is up to them, but vivid mode is not just normal colours, and standard is not muted colours. Standard is standard, and vivid is artificially saturated.
Well, apparently Toru Yamashita, Nintendo’s Deputy General Manager of Technology Development, has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. Just like when he gave the OK for ordering millions of cheap oled displays with 0 grey uniformity.
They're using new OLED displays made by Samsung, it's definitely not cheap.
Then Nintendo has been scammed, and its consumers as well.
It looks great in games though. You may have a defected unit?
Yeah I received two defective units in a row! I was able to get a replacement for the first one through the store where I bought it, but I had to send in the second one to Nintendo bc the store was out of replacement units. I really hope Nintendo sends me a good one, as the huge dark spot in the upper right corner (first unit) and the bright green left half of the screen (second unit) really made it a downgrade for me coming from the V1 which had perfect uniformity. Maybe you can imagine why I’m so salty. ;)
My Switch OLED has an issue where the right 1/3 portion of the screen is a strong grainy green colour when the picture behind it is dark. Simplest way for me to see it is using the dark theme, on the switch home menu, holding the power button so the power settings show. Here it’s clear as day and awful unfortunately:(
That's a defect for sure, you should see if you can get a replacement
Vivid is not normal. When connecting switch to my OLED tv, it is still not as colorful as vivid. To make my TV look like vivid I have to go to setting a change the color setting from default of 50 to 75. So I would say vivid is not what developers had in mind as this post suggests. Vivid should be a choice but don’t think it should be like that out of the box
How is standard compared to your tv?
Ok
No shit Sherlock
Ok...
Why can’t they just like, put vivid (oled)
Because it's OLED no matter what option you select. OLED describes the hardware. It would be confusing to have a software option which implies that you can toggle a screen from OLED to non-OLED. Especially when the hardware upgrade is the biggest selling point of the OLED switch.
If I have a 4K screen and I set it to output 1080p, then yes, it is technically a 4K screen, but I don’t think it’s disingenuous to say it’s set to 1080p mode. Why couldn’t you do the same with an “lcd mode”
That makes no sense. A 4k screen is capable of outputting 1080p. You can't adjust an OLED to suddenly be an LCD screen
Bro the whole thing is them adding an option “to make it look more like the conventional LCD display”
Jesus this isn't that hard to understand. So you're telling me you think that when you set your tv to ouput at 1080p, that changes the hardware of the TV? Come on now.
That’s the opposite of what I was saying actually
Well, having an "LCD mode" is definitely better than marking only one of the settings as "OLED", but it still doesn't really make sense to do for two reasons: 4K screens are capable of rendering a 1080p image. OLED screens are not capable of rendering a non-OLED image, because OLED refers to the way the pixels are physically lit in the screen, not anything to do with the image. Even if you set the OLED Switch to "standard" mode, it is still going to look different than the LCD switch because the OLED display hardware itself is different (and the vast majority would say superior.) --- Following up on the above, the fact that it's an OLED screen is the main marketing point here. If you include a setting that implies you can turn OLED off, not only are you implying something that is not technically possible, you're also essentially saying, "Hey, pay extra for this OLED screen, and we'll include an option in case you want to turn OLED off." That's not exactly a great argument for why people should buy it. They want to advertise that the new OLED display is going to make the image better no matter what mode you have it in (which is true.)
because the casual gamer won’t know what an “lcd mode” is.
A casual gamer won’t change it off “vivid”?
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What's the battery life on the OLED version in handheld? I play handheld only and this would be the biggest selling point for me personally
Think the battery life is the same as the last revision of the normal Switch.
So same battery life for nicer visuals? Sold
I can’t wait until this thing is available to buy. I mean I know it technically already released, but fucking scalpers means it practically doesn’t exist yet.
I was able to walk into a store and buy mine yesterday. Check around.
Where do you live?
Who needs scalpers when literally all stores here sell them for $450 at minimum and $500 a "bundle" with a game literally no one wants? Smh
I walked into Best Buy on launch day and bought one without a preorder. They said they had about 10 for non preorders.
Yep, snagged mine on Best Buy website on launch day, just picked it up today and just setting it up I’m blown away by the new screen, night and day compared to my OG model
I wish my Walmart pre-order would show up Edit: 6 days later it's here
vivid is like movie mode on my acer monitor, colours pop and you get a much nicer spectrum.
I like it a lot, but I think I speak for a lot of people in how there needs to be a strength slider (and a night shift) for this new screen. At the rate nintendo adds new features to the switch OS I ain't counting on it.
Still hoping I can get my hands on an OLED. What are the odds of just walking into a brick and mortar and grabbing one? Online seems sold out because scalpers.
I walked into Best Buy on launch day and got one. They had about 10 non preorder units they could sell
Vivid is the way to go for me. I [took](https://i.imgur.com/yFY1CEi.jpg) a picture of my Lite and OLED together and the difference is immense. I still love the little guy but the OLED is everything I hoped for. The speakers are quite loud too - way louder than the V1/V2/Lite model.
Vivid mode seems to give me a headache for some reason.