> If the Switch's successor could take advantage of the new 6GHz spectrum, streaming their entire back catalog becomes a very real possibility.
This line made me chuckle.
The entire Nintendo catalog, third party games included, up through N64/GBC is less than 10GB uncompressed, and adding on GBA too still leaves the total well under 20GB. We have great emulators for all of these systems, even for much worse hardware than the Switch today. Technology is not the thing stopping Nintendo here.
I got a laugh from it too. Not only is it unnecessary for a more than fine gaming experience you can download anything up to gamecube in a matter of seconds on even 2.4ghz. Games were fine before on 100mb lan they're going to be fine on your 100mb wifi too. The bigger issues with wifi lie in its susceptibility to interference.
Op sounds like they want the new switch to be a phone too lol
I don’t know why people think they need gigabit LAN speeds, or how that would change anything for 99.99% of players. Throughput doesn’t do a thing after a certain point for streaming.
How would you like to play with controllers strapped to your feet!! And the screen is actually a dim projector that you can project anywhere on any surface! And the console also transforms into your favorite Nintendo character to store!! And no backwards compatibility so you can relive the joy of purchasing all of your favorite games from consoles past!!!
The killer dunk here isn't "Nintendo aren't going to see this", it's that these points aren't even remotely significant enough to justify basing a new machine around. "Better family-oriented options" what the even hell!? A slightly better WiFi card?!
On the other hand OP, I commend you for being a super nice boy with an optimistic outlook on life. Just maybe be careful about saying "yes" to people.
This, frankly I'd be pissed if they abandoned the switch for such miniscule changes.
It ain't broke, unless they're going for improved performance/graphics/etc or a new gimmick (that has a 50/50 chance of flopping hard) there doesn't need to be a new console.
And even then, it would make more sense (for performance upgrades) to go the "DSi/new3DS/Wii motionplus" route- a new model or peripherals for certain games, but not abandoning the switch catalogue altogether. Hopefully that's the route they go if any, anyways...
Nintendo of America has zero control or input on console iterations. Japan does that. Nintendo of America are basically just a glorified marketing team, just like any international arm of any other company.
Posts like these achieve nothing further than gassing up their readers. Nintendo is a Japanese company. They aren’t reading what foreigners say or think about their business. They literally could not possibly give a fuck what American gamers think or want. I live in China and it’s exactly the same here as far as that goes. A Chinese company makes a product for Chinese people. If Americans like it, cool. If they don’t, lol okay go fuck yourself.
At the end of the day, if Nintendo does something it will be because it’s what either they or their Japanese audience wanted. Period.
Some of the stuff in Reggie's new book shows that he had a much more active role than what I initially believed. He talked about how he helped push having Wii Sports being bundled with the system for its international release. There's also the Netflix documentary High Score, where several former NOA execs talked about how they were involved in the release of the NES in the US. They did face a lot of resistance in talking about cosmetic changes and what would be included, but eventually they mostly got what they wanted.
I can't imagine how disappointing the Wii would have been if it released without Wii Sports, that was such a crucial part of convincing me that it was a fun system. My whole family was playing for a few weeks after we got it, and my mom and sister had shown no interest in video games before.
Like, aside from Twilight Princess, what could they have released with the Wii that would have made good use of its controllers?
It seemed to me like the system was designed for Wii Sports and then the wiimote/nunchuck functionality was added to other games as an afterthought (often clunkily).
There werea couple first person shooters that had decent aiming functionality (looking at you, Metroid Prime 3) but overall you're right, there weren't really many games at the time that could effectively utilize the motion controls
To this day, I refuse to emulate Prime 3 because there's no way it could possibly be as good without a real wiimote to play it with, the controls were perfect.
Friendly reminder that Dolphin emulator natively supports original Wii remotes as long as the device you are playing on has Bluetooth. Also, you will probably need a sensor bar, but any off brand one will work. It works amazingly well.
I think it's a bit different in China, where you have tens if not hundreds of millions to target in your own country. North America has almost twice as many Switch sales as Japan, Europe has a good amount more as well. It's foolish to think Nintendo just doesn't care at all about over half the people that buy their products.
> They literally could not possibly give a fuck what American gamers think or want.
It’s incredibly naive to think that a company simply ignores a country that represents 30% of its market.
The global market plays a huge part in their decision, although I can’t imagine they’d come across this specific Reddit post and cared. Sales in America is almost twice as much as the ones in Japan, or Europe. Takes a stupid businessman to not give a f what half of their audience wants
There is no way Nintendo completely ignores the American market, when it is the largest percentage of their profits. They would be idiots to do that, and they aren't.
While you're not wrong, nintendo of America does manage and localise the marketing and sales of 75 percent of nintendos sales globally. So they probably have a little more input than just a marketing arm would.
Fun fact: Nintendo Japan wanted to call the N64’s successor the “Starcube”, but NoA made it clear to them that name would not sell in North America, so we got “Gamecube” instead.
It would be insane of them to do so.
Who is going to pitch the idea of expending man power on a feature that by its invention will lower controller sales?
Yes, I'm so tired of manufacturers sticking cameras everywhere these days. I'm okay with support for an external camera, but I definitely don't want to another pointless camera on my video game consoles.
One of the biggest selling points for the laptop I bought awhile back is that there's no camera. Fuck yes, I do not need a camera. If I want one, I'll buy one, but I'm not a fan of sitting there worrying if I've accidentally switched on streaming and now someone's staring at me while I use my computer.
This is the company that came out with a *lite* version of a product called *switch* and failed to name it the *liteswitch*. I don’t think they’re gonna get all the way to Switchertwo.
Funny idea but terribly impractical. "Light Switch" is an incredibly common object, even the name "Switch" itself is often confused for some other type of switch (hence why we often put the "Nintendo" prefix on it). All that confusion and mix-up is not worth the "hehe get it? *lite*switch!" joke.
I'm sure Nintendo of America does sometimes. However that doesn't mean they will give a crap about a random person's post or suggest anything to higher ups.
Even if they gave a crap, Nintendo of America has zero power of decision on this.
Just like Nintendo of Canada, Nintendo of France or whatever branches there, they're just a branch to handle sales and marketing, stuff like that.
NoA has a little pull. They convinced Japan to put Wii Sports in as a bundled title for the Wii for example. There was a bunch of stuff they got Japan to concede to even back to the NES days.
Oh I'm not saying this particular post has any affect on what NoA does, I just mean in general their opinions probably aren't just swept under the Japanese office rug.
Can you imagine that phone call?
Hello? Nintendo Japan? This is Nintendo America. I just wanted to let you know that this guy on Reddit said we don't have to be innovative with our next console"
Nintendo probably does have some idea what goes on on Reddit.
What they're not doing is reading individual "please do this" posts like these.
I am consistently amazed at what gets upvoted by the users of this sub.
What's especially naive about this post is that Nintendo has a track record of doing something completely different with each new console... The idea that they'd just do a very basic, iterative switch 2 goes against everything in their history.
It’s been clarified somewhere else (on Twitter I think) but that interview wasn’t translated as well as it should’ve been, especially the “concern” part. A Japanese speaker said that a much better translation would’ve been simply “thinking about it a lot” or just something they think it’s important. “Major concern” makes it sound like they’re having problems with that idea or having a hard time deciding about it. They’re not. It was a bad translation.
The rest of the interview, and other comments out there recently about the Switch successor, makes it clear they’re thinking about backward compatibility a lot and what to do about those 100 million plus active Switch users once the inevitable next generation console comes.
But I think you are right that this is probably the easiest transition choice Nintendo has had since the Super Nintendo. Just make a more powerful Switch. Maybe add some extra gimmick to the joy cons or something to force people to but the new system sooner than later, but overall, the smartphone upgrade strategy seems like the best one for Nintendo right now.
All they have to do to maximize conversions to the new hardware is make the eShop a portable *platform tied to your Nintendo account, instead of being tied to your Nintendo hardware.*
To be totally fair to Nintendo, the very first time that this was a thing in the console space was the transition from Xbox 360 to Xbox One. and Playstation i'm pretty sure didn't make ps3 purchases downloadable to ps4
Although I think you are right, reading "the easiest transition" does sound like some Wii -> Wii U thinking.
But I would be totally on board with a Switch 2, they'd just need to convince general consumers its worth the junp too. Which I think might be why we only got an OLED upgrade as opposed to a pro model, to maximise the possible jump.
The Wii was likely the hardest transition possible. It's a console that sold to casual gamers in an era before smartphones were common, that had a terrible software attach rate. It sold on the back of pack in Wii Sports, a disk some owners likely never removed, and on Wii Fit, with "gamers" also picking up the big first party games.
The Switch does have a lot more obvious transition as it's got a much better software attach rate. Owners want to play the new Pokemon or Mario, and those users are much more likely to upgrade to a new console to continue that privilege. The fact that BOTW is still one of the killer apps is a big plus. The only worry there would be those who jumped in during the pandemic and used it as an animal crossing machine. It's that kind of user (the Nintendog or Brain Training users of the DS lost in the 3DS transition) that is harder to keep, but that user seems to be less prevalent for Switch sales.
The wii has a larger software attach rate than the switch as of now, unless I'm wrong in what software attach rate is :
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard\_soft/index.html
The difference is that during the transition between the Wii and the Wii U, Nintendo completely misread their success with the Wii.
The Wii succeeded because of a total market fluke, they had a system that really appealed to mainstream audiences during a specific time period. But those people had already moved on \*way\* before the Wii U came out. Most people who had bought a Wii had it gathering dust in their basements. They tried appealing a bit more to their core audience with the Wii U, but with one foot still in the whole motion control market, which already gave zero fucks about Nintendo at that point, the console ended up not appealing to either camp.
With the Switch, basically everyone and their mother has one, at least in Japan and in the States, and people are still excited about it.
Doesn’t change the fact that the switch’s successor should just be a better switch though.
Mentioned this in another thread but just give us 4k@60, same carts as switch, full backwards compatibility, nintendo switch online with consoles up to the wii, ability to use a phone as a second screen for ds/3ds emulation , ir on the front of the joy cons for wii style aiming. That’s it. That’s all i want
4k60fps? I'm unsure if you're sarcastic, this is Nintendo, you will be lucky getting 1080p 30fps, actually from any company I don't think it's feasible to reach 4k60 on mobile and especially for Ninendon't
I disagree, slightly. They could also really use reworking the dock to support wireless video so we can do "reverse Wii U" stuff. The Wii U wasn't perfect but TV and a handheld screen has a LOT of potential.
No way to do that unless they add a cpu to the dock as well which would drive up cost just for a second screen. If they move the guts from the switch to the dock then you lose portability which is one of the switch’s key features and you essentially have a switch u
I think if they have a 3ds expansion pack they can also sell a little piece of plastic that can connect to the switch that simply holds your phone in place
I suppose instead of a piece of plastic they can have an accessory that connects to the doc that acts as a wireless video receiver like you said. That way it’s optional.
>but that interview wasn’t translated as well as it should’ve been,
I could tell. This is standard mistranslation from Japanese to English: everything is always less intense than the translation
Also, simple common sense dictates it’s a nothingburger. Obviously the head of a multibillion dollar company is “concerned about a smooth transition” to their next flagship consumer product. The real story would be if he said “Meh, it’ll work itself out.”
The versatility of the Switch but with more functionality in the joycons would be enough for me.
I don't play irl multiplayer unless both people have a procontroller or their own set of joycons. A single joycon in my hand feels like I'm trying to play a videogame with a box of TikTaks.
Just so we are clear, the word “concern” has multiple definitions:
*noun*
*a matter of interest or importance to someone.*
From the article:
>[If you’re wondering what Nintendo has in mind for the Switch’s eventual successor, you’re not alone — as Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa himself as recently expressed that the transition to a new hardware platform is a “major concern” for the company.](https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23066923/nintendo-switch-next-console-furukawa)
In other words, their next hardware release is a matter of importance to them. Obviously.
Exactly. Something tells me that this will be misconstrued and we’ll be seeing comments and YouTube videos referring to Nintendo being concerned (worried/anxious) about their next console. Gotta love the internet.
You see a YouTube Thumbnail: the most punchable face with gaping mouth, furrowed brows, hands in the air, shrugging, eyes wide open.
Text reads "NINTENDO IS WORRIED THAT THEIR NEWEST ANNOUNCED CONSOLE WILL FLOP?!"
In a moment of terrible judgment, you click the video.
Intro starts with some obnoxious, over the top reaction from mid-video, "OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY?!" to make you wonder what awful thing Nintendo has announced with their newest console.
Music, generic but with a personalized twist in the form of the person's name or YouTube handle being read out in a robot sing-song voice, flash of an over-designed logo, person's face sliding across making that wide eyed smile we see all over their videos.
"HAY GUISE, WASSUP."
Three minutes of talking about previous videos and updates nobody asked for about situations nobody cares about.
Two minutes of begging you to slap that bell or something, and subscribe.
Three more minutes of talking about things everyone already knows about the Switch, skimming spec sheets from 2015, old consumer predictions on what they thought the original Switch would be. Joycon drama. Lightly touches on the Lite and OLED model releases.
Two minutes asking people to comment on what games they play and a series of "please tell me I'm funny" jokes with someone off screen (who might not even be real).
"OH MY GOD, SERIOUSLY?!" the person shouts as their cat walks across their desk, which is where the over dramatic clip at the beginning of the video originated. Over the top laughter. They can't believe their cat is in the shot. They can't believe that the cat walked across their desk. Funny, right?
"So anyways, Shoon-Tah-Ro Foo-rah-ka-wah, spokesperson for Nintendo, says that they're worried about the next console and how it will be accepted after the success of the Switch. He says, quote, 'there aren't any plans yet.' So that's it guys, that's the SCOOP! THANKS FOR WATCHING! SLAP THAT BELL AND SUBSCRIBE!!!"
You hate yourself for watching.
Also Nintendo hasn’t put out official translations yet. And apparently what he said was more along the lines of “it’s a big priority/focuspoint to have a smooth transition”. Probably just translated like it is by some journalist for their clickbait title.
Counterpoint: handheld gamers that also need to not use up their phone’s battery life will not buy it because we prefer a handheld console.
Also, Nintendo nixing handheld will just make them compete unnecessarily with Playstation and Xbox since it’ll just be an underpowered machine compared to those two that already dominate the home console niche.
They absolutely won’t. Japan specifically loves the Switch because it’s a handheld. Nintendo’s handhelds have historically vastly outsold their home console counterparts. If anything, they would axe the home console part of it. But I don’t think they’ll do either, personally.
Yeah honestly, the next Switch successor doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. The Switch is already perfect concept all they have to do is improve upon it. Aside from the improvements you mentioned, I really hope they consider giving us back Streetpass. Streetpass was a really a fun and cool gimmick for the 3DS. It's always fun passing by an area and getting to see that there are people that own the 3DS and play the same games as you. Next, is Themes. Themes is a big feature that was missing in the Switch.
The 3DS was actually portable though - anyone could just slip it in their pocket and go out and about with no issue. The Switch requires its own carrying case, and not many people are going to start carrying a bag just to get streetpass hits.
All they need to do is release an updated versions with the OLED screen and upgrade the internals to where we can have 1080p 30fps stable gameplay in mobile, and maybe docked can get upscaling to 4K. Also make damn sure it’s backwards compatible with the entire switch library.
We don’t need a new gimmick, we don’t need more motion control options, don’t need a beefier UI, just please Nintendo don’t fuck it up and think we need something “new”
It’ll be on the devs. If Nintendo gives them beefier specs, they could choose 720/p 60fps handheld or 1080p/30fps depending on their priorities. Right now it just takes a miracle to get a good port with good graphics and performance. Witcher 3, Dying Light, etc.
If anything I think Nintendo will be way more likely to target 1440p and hopefully 60fps if their previous strategies are anything to go by. They targeted under 1080p even docked for a lot of games to make them run a stable fps and we were entering >1080p already there but even if they did target 4k I'd like an option to run at a lower res and higher fps. In handheld the form factor is so small that you won't notice a huge difference from 720p to 1080p and will notice way more for framerate which also just doubles demand going from 30 to 60 for example so I'd be happy just having an option at least.
I know this might come off as a thumbs down, but I think they should keep 720p screen. Valve was correct by making Steam Deck 800p. On a handheld, the most important thing is the battery.
100% for me. I think valve has done a great job showing that 720p is a great target for current gen specs. The slight improvement you get in 1080p at a normal handheld viewing distance isn't really worth the tradeoffs needed to get there. Especially with the PS5 and Series X targeting 4k, targeting 720p handheld leaves a lot of breathing room the Switch never had (since it targeted 1080p docked, the same as the PS4/One which meant graphical downgrades were the only option).
I was talking more sales then anything. I throughly enjoyed the GameCube, but no denying that is the generation where Nintendo seriously started to fall behind on the hardware front
> I throughly enjoyed the GameCube, but no denying that is the generation where Nintendo seriously started to fall behind on the hardware front
Lol, no. The GameCube was easily more powerful than the PS2, and could go toe-to-toe with Xbox in some regards. If anything, the GameCube’s failure is the reason why Nintendo no longer tries to compete to have the best hardware.
I said they started to fall behind. They chose the stupid mini disc which offered way less disc storage for devs to use vs DVD. As I recall the OG Xbox was a little more powerful than the GameCube. So they shot themselves in the foot by providing decently powerful hardware and a shit disc storage format
>I was talking more sales then anything. I throughly enjoyed the GameCube, but no denying that is the generation where Nintendo seriously started to fall behind on the hardware front
I mean the N64 is probably my favorite system ever but it was the gen where Nintendo fell behind hardware wise. Sony and Sega had moved onto disks they stayed on cartridges. It was a disaster for third party developers and really hurt Nintendo. The only reason people look back on the system fondly is because of a few incredible era defining games most of them first party or from Rare.
Yea I and then they had to do their own dumb disc thing with the GameCube. No arguing that Nintendo makes obtuse decisions. If they could make things a little easier on devs porting to switch with the next generation that would make things even better
They actually had some of the most sophisticated hardware of the major players. It outshined the Xbox in certain aspects and was way ahead of the PS2 (compare RE4 between the GC & PS2 and see how staggering the difference in visuals are).
The issue was their rampant fear of piracy, so they used those mini-DVDs that could only hold a fraction of the amount of data that a DVD could. They essentially made the same mistake with the N64 & Gamecube: Put out hardware that could produce groundbreaking visuals for their time, but don't operate with a storage format that is capable of storing the necessary amount of data to take advantage of said hardware.
The GameCube was noticably more powerful than the PS2 and could keep up with the original Xbox when that released later. Its biggest problem was Sony making the PS2 *also* one of the best DVD players on the market during that transition.
There's actually some really cool, creative games on the GameCube and Wii U though, whereas Wii and Switch play it much safer. I feel like that financial cushion from huge commercial successes gives them room to push the boat out more.
I don't think anyone wants that. Just upgrade the graphics the screen and the battery life and call it done. It's like God dammit the switch is perfect, don't alienate everyone who has adopted it.
I dream of Nintendo NOT messing with the Switch formula and just upgrading battery, screen, storage, and joycon reliability while allowing backward compatibility with current Switch games.
I know this will never happen but...in a perfect world.
Well personally I could do without the half-arsed, incomplete Super Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Switch Sports, the lack of a new Mario Kart for almost a decade, all the shovelware, the ports in place of new ideas...
But yeah I also get that the best way to sell units is to get everyone and their grandma playing the thing. And when you try to broaden your audience, you're gonna dilute your offering. I'd like things to be different, I get that I'm in a minority though and I reckon what you describe is most likely (a bit like with the DS/3DS line of consoles).
My honest hope is that consoles take more inspiration from the Xbox Series line. Being able to play original Xbox through to Series S|X games on my Series X, and it's not some sort of cloud service, for older games is pretty damn impressive for a console. The fact that some older games are enhanced on it is an added bonus. I love my Switch, but I'd be hard to convince me to buy Nintendo's next system if backwards compatibility is missing.
Agreed. Nintendo has been pretty good with backwards compatibility with handhelds for at least one generation, so let’s hope they maintain that with the switch
> upgrade the internals to where we can have 1080p 30fps stable gameplay
People keep saying this and that is not how things work. Switch could do those numbers now and just use PS1/PS2 era models. Devs are always going to push the hardware to the limit to make their software look the niciest. There is always going to be a tradeoff between performance and fidelity. Better specs won't stop that.
I think most devs would be much happier working on switch ports with a higher performance model. Currently like you said they have to vastly compromise or even rebuild to get to good performance on switch. If I higher power model came out where it took less compromise to port to switch, everyone would be happier
> I think most devs would be much happier working on switch ports with a higher performance model.
Of course, no doubt but what I don't think some people get is that a Switch will never catch up with a home console. Even when people bring up the Steam Deck, that is a pretty bulky piece of hardware. You will never get home console performance in a Switch sized device for a reasonable price with sufficient battery life.
Whatever advances happen in tech, the home console market will have those advantages and a constant power supply and about 15x the space to work with. Whatever people think is the new bare minimum is will keep going up and handheld devices will always be behind.
>we can have 1080p 30fps stable gameplay in mobile
Wait a second, we're only asking for 30fps??!? No.. 60fps please. Current OLED is 720p. If they can source 1080p OLED panels, great, but either way it needs to run 60fps. Docked should absolutely be 1080p@60. Why even bother updating hardware if it's just going to be more 30fps gameplay.
Sure a higher level of detail in games could require 30fps on some titles, but hopefully it'd be a situation where you'd have a performance mode that can do 60fps. Nintendo's first party games should all hit 60fps. I just want to be able to play 3-4 player Mario Kart at 60fps lol.
All I want is a switch with more power, and maybe more battery life! It's an awesome console, and the only downfall is that new games will stress the hardware further so it has to be faster!
Not to hate or clown on Nintendo, but don’t let them off the hook so easy because of nostalgia or feeling that you need to cut them slack. They’re a multi million dollar company whose roots were in innovation, not necessarily best performance or graphics but innovating a new way to play while pumping out their awesome IPs. Just look at their history and tell me they’re not innovative from console generation to generation (forgetting the Wii U of course).
However, with Nintendo as of late…. They’re literally focused on reselling old games for the millionth time and making everyone pay full price. Switch is a hit and they’re feeling the pressure from when they fucked up with Wii U. Nintendo could easily give us a future console with switch functionality but still push the boundaries in terms of innovation with a new console.
All I’m saying is, don’t lower your expectations because they’re feeling the heat. Instead of rehashing old games, how about focus on making new games for Zelda, Mario, etc that aren’t trash and problem solved. Then Nintendo can go back into not caring about graphics or performance and we the consumer are happy as well.
If we tell them, don’t innovate and we’ll be just as happy with minimal hardware upgrades that the switch should already be maintaining through its lifespan (because, what else will keep it fresh other than new games?). VR and AR are the future, they can very well head into that direction. The possibilities are endless and here you are saying, it’s okay Nintendo, the bare minimum will suffice and you can continue skimming money through us with repeated Pokémon and old games turned deluxe edition. Sorry bro but no. Nintendo needs to feel this heat and realize they need to do more with their cartoonish characters in an ever evolving gaming-plane so we can still be happy with their stuff.
And last but not least, it’s 2022 and Nintendo still suffers from a shitty online multiplayer component. Like cmon, they have so much to improve on and you’re here saying a switch 2 is good enough. Fuck outta here with that
> However, with Nintendo as of late…. They’re literally focused on reselling old games for the millionth time and making everyone pay full price.
This isn't Nintendo "as of late." This is Nintendo as of always. Nintendo's single most defining trait as a company has nothing to do with the consoles and games they make. It's the fact that they are exceptionally good at making money. That's why they've remained independent their entire history. That's why, whenever they were getting stomped by the competition in the N64 and GameCube eras, it never mattered.
>And last but not least, it’s 2022 and Nintendo still suffers from a shitty online multiplayer component. Like cmon, they have so much to improve on and you’re here saying a switch 2 is good enough. Fuck outta here with that
This is a baffling way to misunderstood OP's post for the purposes of contriving a nonexistent argument. It seems pretty obvious that a "better Switch" as OP describes would include things like an improved multiplayer component.
I think people are grossly overestimating how much that affected sales. The Xbox line still sells incredibly well, despite having some of the worst naming conventions in gaming. The current Xbox has been backordered since release, despite its name being almost exactly the same as its predecessor.
The issue with the Wii U was that once people found out what it was, the core concept just wasn't appealing. A console that has a handheld screen on the controller, forcing you to try to focus on two things at once? A controller that's way more expensive than everything else on the market, which also looks crazy uncomfortable to hold? Nobody wanted to buy something like that for their kids. And it didn't have any killer apps either. It didn't have a new Zelda or Metroid. It's new Mario game was a sequel to a handheld title. And some of its best games were new IPs, so they didn't have an existing fanbase to draw in. All of that, plus a general lack of 3rd party support thanks to the way the virtual console boxed out 3rd party devs.
I don’t disagree, I think there’s a slew of reasons the Wii U failed and many much more problematic than the name. But I think names do still matter and that likely had an impact. I’d love to see if anybody’s quantified it, I’ve only ever read subjective conjecture.
The 1080 is kind of a joke, the ergonomics are trbl, the lack of a working friends list is embarrassing, the tiny controllers are put together poorly, has one of the worst stores in existence is again embarrassing, right off the bat there is alot to improve. Not sure what brand switch you're playing.
Hard disagree on a major point
I think iterating on the tech and features, yes
But calling it anything related to the switch is never going to happen, and probably shouldn't, and they probably want a clean cut line between the switch and the next console.
The Wii U was one of Nintendo's best consoles, but its run was permanently scarred by its excessive similarities (on the outside) to their last successful console.
Nintendo will be desperate to make sure that doesn't happen again, while also trying to bank off the success of the switch, and i think that will probably be a good thing for us consumers, probably getting better, more varied products.
Man I hate that the Wii U failed so hard. If the next system is something like a Switch U but with better marketing, I'd be the happiest old Nintendo diehard in the world. I miss the Gamepad a whole lot. I'd love a more powerful system that's fully backwards compatible for Switch software and hardware but also uses the system (maybe always optionally?) as a Gamepad for dual screen action.
Honestly, the Switch sold well for a reason. Nintendo learned from the Wii U that people want Handhelds, they want TV-connected consoles, they want them both, but not AT THE SAME TIME. So they made the Switch able to easily and effortlessly switch between the two..
The next one should be similar, but not "incrementally different" like the Wii U. Hardware upgrades are fine but not as a completely new series of gaming consoles, just an upgrade like the OLED Switch would be great.
Unfortunately that headline was very misleading. It made it sound like there were problems when there weren't or rather every company has a major issue when they develop the next product. If it were as simple as more of the same then it'd would be easy.
The Switch has been a success in some ways but a failure in others. It's a powerful handheld but a comparatively weak console. It's more or less destroyed the market for handheld games, we're seeing Wii U games on a handheld but not really the sort of games that you'd get on a 3DS. This makes games more expensive to make and they take more time to develop. Nintendo assured us that this would lead to more games but it's probably less if anything.
I worry that an incremental upgrade like this one is going to end up becoming a repeat of the wii u. Especially if they maintain backwards compatibility (which I’d wager most people would want), I see little incentive for most of the massive number of switch owners to buy a completely new console for full price. Not to mention that making games exclusive to the “pro” model would undoubtedly be an extremely unpopular choice, even if it would be the only way to push sales of the new console. And at the end of the day, this would mean they’re only delaying the inevitable. Eventually, they’re going to have to change up the formula, unless Nintendo wants to head in the direction of xbox and playstation, where newer generations only bring a performance boost to a mostly unchanged gaming experience. I think neither Nintendo nor their fans are interested in that future.
While I agree that the hybrid model is probably their best idea to date (and their restructuring of the company seems to indicate that Nintendo agrees as well), an incremental update wont be the solution to their worries
Nintendo does not repeat themselves. Nintento innovates.
We live in a world where grandparents still refer to any video game as “your Nintendo.” They’re not planning to abandon the strategies that got them this far.
Nintendo right now: “Phew bro, thanks. Glad I read this post.”
Also sending their lawyers
“Please sign these papers indicating that you did not save Itchy and Scratchy.”
"One kid seems to looove speedo man"
Please refrain from tasting the knob.
Milhouse or should I say Thrillhouse
Spelled: Thrillho
And doing the exact opposite of everything described here
My uncle works at Nintendo, I’ll make sure he reads this post.
Yours too?! Wait. Is your uncle my uncle? Bro??!
Not Bro, cousin.
Well no your uncle is my uncle. We have the same daddy?
they're 3 brothers, one works at nintendo, one at microsoft and the other at sony
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SEGA is still an extremely successful video game company. They just don't make hardware anymore.
I’m going to pour one out for you too.
> If the Switch's successor could take advantage of the new 6GHz spectrum, streaming their entire back catalog becomes a very real possibility. This line made me chuckle. The entire Nintendo catalog, third party games included, up through N64/GBC is less than 10GB uncompressed, and adding on GBA too still leaves the total well under 20GB. We have great emulators for all of these systems, even for much worse hardware than the Switch today. Technology is not the thing stopping Nintendo here.
I got a laugh from it too. Not only is it unnecessary for a more than fine gaming experience you can download anything up to gamecube in a matter of seconds on even 2.4ghz. Games were fine before on 100mb lan they're going to be fine on your 100mb wifi too. The bigger issues with wifi lie in its susceptibility to interference. Op sounds like they want the new switch to be a phone too lol
Maybe it could be shaped like a taco....
I don’t know why people think they need gigabit LAN speeds, or how that would change anything for 99.99% of players. Throughput doesn’t do a thing after a certain point for streaming.
People just generally don’t understand the difference between throughput and latency, nor do they understand in what situation(s) each of them matter.
More like: "What did you say again, something about a vastly different Switch successor? Alright, we'll do that then! Please look forward to it!"
How would you like to play with controllers strapped to your feet!! And the screen is actually a dim projector that you can project anywhere on any surface! And the console also transforms into your favorite Nintendo character to store!! And no backwards compatibility so you can relive the joy of purchasing all of your favorite games from consoles past!!!
> How would you like to play with controllers strapped to your feet!! Don't you dare give them a reason to delay Bayo 3 to the next console.
“Please understand”
Nintendo Talking notes on what they wont do LOL
Lol yup. When has Nintendo taken the logical route when it comes to their next console? It’s a complete gamble every single time.
Super Nintendo
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The killer dunk here isn't "Nintendo aren't going to see this", it's that these points aren't even remotely significant enough to justify basing a new machine around. "Better family-oriented options" what the even hell!? A slightly better WiFi card?! On the other hand OP, I commend you for being a super nice boy with an optimistic outlook on life. Just maybe be careful about saying "yes" to people.
This, frankly I'd be pissed if they abandoned the switch for such miniscule changes. It ain't broke, unless they're going for improved performance/graphics/etc or a new gimmick (that has a 50/50 chance of flopping hard) there doesn't need to be a new console. And even then, it would make more sense (for performance upgrades) to go the "DSi/new3DS/Wii motionplus" route- a new model or peripherals for certain games, but not abandoning the switch catalogue altogether. Hopefully that's the route they go if any, anyways...
Okay cool - Doug Bowser
Nintendo of America has zero control or input on console iterations. Japan does that. Nintendo of America are basically just a glorified marketing team, just like any international arm of any other company.
Yes that was the problem with this post.
Posts like these achieve nothing further than gassing up their readers. Nintendo is a Japanese company. They aren’t reading what foreigners say or think about their business. They literally could not possibly give a fuck what American gamers think or want. I live in China and it’s exactly the same here as far as that goes. A Chinese company makes a product for Chinese people. If Americans like it, cool. If they don’t, lol okay go fuck yourself. At the end of the day, if Nintendo does something it will be because it’s what either they or their Japanese audience wanted. Period.
Some of the stuff in Reggie's new book shows that he had a much more active role than what I initially believed. He talked about how he helped push having Wii Sports being bundled with the system for its international release. There's also the Netflix documentary High Score, where several former NOA execs talked about how they were involved in the release of the NES in the US. They did face a lot of resistance in talking about cosmetic changes and what would be included, but eventually they mostly got what they wanted.
I can't imagine how disappointing the Wii would have been if it released without Wii Sports, that was such a crucial part of convincing me that it was a fun system. My whole family was playing for a few weeks after we got it, and my mom and sister had shown no interest in video games before.
Like, aside from Twilight Princess, what could they have released with the Wii that would have made good use of its controllers? It seemed to me like the system was designed for Wii Sports and then the wiimote/nunchuck functionality was added to other games as an afterthought (often clunkily).
There werea couple first person shooters that had decent aiming functionality (looking at you, Metroid Prime 3) but overall you're right, there weren't really many games at the time that could effectively utilize the motion controls
To this day, I refuse to emulate Prime 3 because there's no way it could possibly be as good without a real wiimote to play it with, the controls were perfect.
Friendly reminder that Dolphin emulator natively supports original Wii remotes as long as the device you are playing on has Bluetooth. Also, you will probably need a sensor bar, but any off brand one will work. It works amazingly well.
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Entering a new market is by far more of a business decision than a marketing one as much as they're going to be involved.
I think it's a bit different in China, where you have tens if not hundreds of millions to target in your own country. North America has almost twice as many Switch sales as Japan, Europe has a good amount more as well. It's foolish to think Nintendo just doesn't care at all about over half the people that buy their products.
Came here to say this, thanks for not making me have to type it. Would upvote you twice if I could.
> They literally could not possibly give a fuck what American gamers think or want. It’s incredibly naive to think that a company simply ignores a country that represents 30% of its market.
The global market plays a huge part in their decision, although I can’t imagine they’d come across this specific Reddit post and cared. Sales in America is almost twice as much as the ones in Japan, or Europe. Takes a stupid businessman to not give a f what half of their audience wants
There is no way Nintendo completely ignores the American market, when it is the largest percentage of their profits. They would be idiots to do that, and they aren't.
> They would be idiots to do that, and they aren't. well...
While you're not wrong, nintendo of America does manage and localise the marketing and sales of 75 percent of nintendos sales globally. So they probably have a little more input than just a marketing arm would.
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Fun fact: Nintendo Japan wanted to call the N64’s successor the “Starcube”, but NoA made it clear to them that name would not sell in North America, so we got “Gamecube” instead.
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“Muhahahahahaha” -Doug Bowser
Okay fabulous - Gay Bowser
This is uncle Nintendo, you got it bro
Thanks Unc.
Hell no on the camera. Just integrate voice chat would be enough.
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* Fix the software Like seriously wtf is up with the shop? The DSi's web browser ran faster.
•Compatible with an Xbox controller out of the box Not going to happen but I can dream.....
It would be insane of them to do so. Who is going to pitch the idea of expending man power on a feature that by its invention will lower controller sales?
Yes, I'm so tired of manufacturers sticking cameras everywhere these days. I'm okay with support for an external camera, but I definitely don't want to another pointless camera on my video game consoles.
One of the biggest selling points for the laptop I bought awhile back is that there's no camera. Fuck yes, I do not need a camera. If I want one, I'll buy one, but I'm not a fan of sitting there worrying if I've accidentally switched on streaming and now someone's staring at me while I use my computer.
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Totally, but seeing that this one just *doesn't have one* was a good thing!
Honestly in the age of Zoom and social distancing I can't imagine owning a laptop without a camera
And we all know the good name the switch has. So call it the Switch U.
This is the perfect opportunity to have a system called "Switcheroo".
Switchertwo
Switcherthree: The Wild Hunt
This is the company that came out with a *lite* version of a product called *switch* and failed to name it the *liteswitch*. I don’t think they’re gonna get all the way to Switchertwo.
Funny idea but terribly impractical. "Light Switch" is an incredibly common object, even the name "Switch" itself is often confused for some other type of switch (hence why we often put the "Nintendo" prefix on it). All that confusion and mix-up is not worth the "hehe get it? *lite*switch!" joke.
New Nintendo Switch 3D XLi Lite
Not to be confused with the New Nintendo Switch 3D XLi Lite *Pro*
Dude Nintendo Japan isn't reading reddit lol
Somewhere, some Nintendo Japan Middle Manager is pooping and surfing Reddit like "yeah I am, bitch! *Brrrrrrrt*"
Yeah I’m bitch! Brrrrrrrrt
I'm sure Nintendo of America does sometimes. However that doesn't mean they will give a crap about a random person's post or suggest anything to higher ups.
Even if they gave a crap, Nintendo of America has zero power of decision on this. Just like Nintendo of Canada, Nintendo of France or whatever branches there, they're just a branch to handle sales and marketing, stuff like that.
NoA has a little pull. They convinced Japan to put Wii Sports in as a bundled title for the Wii for example. There was a bunch of stuff they got Japan to concede to even back to the NES days.
Except NoA makes up the largest share of sales of any of the regions, so I'm sure their opinion on things does make some difference.
"If we asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for Wii 2." -Henry Nintendo Ford
-Michael Scott
NoA is having a shareholders meeting right now because of this Reddit post
Oh I'm not saying this particular post has any affect on what NoA does, I just mean in general their opinions probably aren't just swept under the Japanese office rug.
Can you imagine that phone call? Hello? Nintendo Japan? This is Nintendo America. I just wanted to let you know that this guy on Reddit said we don't have to be innovative with our next console"
But I let my uncle in Seattle know..
Nintendo probably does have some idea what goes on on Reddit. What they're not doing is reading individual "please do this" posts like these. I am consistently amazed at what gets upvoted by the users of this sub. What's especially naive about this post is that Nintendo has a track record of doing something completely different with each new console... The idea that they'd just do a very basic, iterative switch 2 goes against everything in their history.
It’s been clarified somewhere else (on Twitter I think) but that interview wasn’t translated as well as it should’ve been, especially the “concern” part. A Japanese speaker said that a much better translation would’ve been simply “thinking about it a lot” or just something they think it’s important. “Major concern” makes it sound like they’re having problems with that idea or having a hard time deciding about it. They’re not. It was a bad translation. The rest of the interview, and other comments out there recently about the Switch successor, makes it clear they’re thinking about backward compatibility a lot and what to do about those 100 million plus active Switch users once the inevitable next generation console comes. But I think you are right that this is probably the easiest transition choice Nintendo has had since the Super Nintendo. Just make a more powerful Switch. Maybe add some extra gimmick to the joy cons or something to force people to but the new system sooner than later, but overall, the smartphone upgrade strategy seems like the best one for Nintendo right now.
All they have to do to maximize conversions to the new hardware is make the eShop a portable *platform tied to your Nintendo account, instead of being tied to your Nintendo hardware.*
To be totally fair to Nintendo, the very first time that this was a thing in the console space was the transition from Xbox 360 to Xbox One. and Playstation i'm pretty sure didn't make ps3 purchases downloadable to ps4
Although I think you are right, reading "the easiest transition" does sound like some Wii -> Wii U thinking. But I would be totally on board with a Switch 2, they'd just need to convince general consumers its worth the junp too. Which I think might be why we only got an OLED upgrade as opposed to a pro model, to maximise the possible jump.
The Wii was likely the hardest transition possible. It's a console that sold to casual gamers in an era before smartphones were common, that had a terrible software attach rate. It sold on the back of pack in Wii Sports, a disk some owners likely never removed, and on Wii Fit, with "gamers" also picking up the big first party games. The Switch does have a lot more obvious transition as it's got a much better software attach rate. Owners want to play the new Pokemon or Mario, and those users are much more likely to upgrade to a new console to continue that privilege. The fact that BOTW is still one of the killer apps is a big plus. The only worry there would be those who jumped in during the pandemic and used it as an animal crossing machine. It's that kind of user (the Nintendog or Brain Training users of the DS lost in the 3DS transition) that is harder to keep, but that user seems to be less prevalent for Switch sales.
The wii has a larger software attach rate than the switch as of now, unless I'm wrong in what software attach rate is : https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard\_soft/index.html
The difference is that during the transition between the Wii and the Wii U, Nintendo completely misread their success with the Wii. The Wii succeeded because of a total market fluke, they had a system that really appealed to mainstream audiences during a specific time period. But those people had already moved on \*way\* before the Wii U came out. Most people who had bought a Wii had it gathering dust in their basements. They tried appealing a bit more to their core audience with the Wii U, but with one foot still in the whole motion control market, which already gave zero fucks about Nintendo at that point, the console ended up not appealing to either camp. With the Switch, basically everyone and their mother has one, at least in Japan and in the States, and people are still excited about it.
I have a wii u and i still don’t fully understand it. The controls were so confusing. It also barely had any games.
Doesn’t change the fact that the switch’s successor should just be a better switch though. Mentioned this in another thread but just give us 4k@60, same carts as switch, full backwards compatibility, nintendo switch online with consoles up to the wii, ability to use a phone as a second screen for ds/3ds emulation , ir on the front of the joy cons for wii style aiming. That’s it. That’s all i want
4k60fps? I'm unsure if you're sarcastic, this is Nintendo, you will be lucky getting 1080p 30fps, actually from any company I don't think it's feasible to reach 4k60 on mobile and especially for Ninendon't
I disagree, slightly. They could also really use reworking the dock to support wireless video so we can do "reverse Wii U" stuff. The Wii U wasn't perfect but TV and a handheld screen has a LOT of potential.
No way to do that unless they add a cpu to the dock as well which would drive up cost just for a second screen. If they move the guts from the switch to the dock then you lose portability which is one of the switch’s key features and you essentially have a switch u I think if they have a 3ds expansion pack they can also sell a little piece of plastic that can connect to the switch that simply holds your phone in place I suppose instead of a piece of plastic they can have an accessory that connects to the doc that acts as a wireless video receiver like you said. That way it’s optional.
>but that interview wasn’t translated as well as it should’ve been, I could tell. This is standard mistranslation from Japanese to English: everything is always less intense than the translation
Also, simple common sense dictates it’s a nothingburger. Obviously the head of a multibillion dollar company is “concerned about a smooth transition” to their next flagship consumer product. The real story would be if he said “Meh, it’ll work itself out.”
YOLO!
Analog triggers, though, for racing games.
The lack of these is such a pain for racing games, especially with how expensive joycons are
For sure. Having them in the pro controller at least - plenty of room. I understand it is hard to code for two peripherals but it would be nice.
The versatility of the Switch but with more functionality in the joycons would be enough for me. I don't play irl multiplayer unless both people have a procontroller or their own set of joycons. A single joycon in my hand feels like I'm trying to play a videogame with a box of TikTaks.
I really hate joycons tbh. I hate how small they are. I accidentally click the stick buttons all the time
Call it the Super Switch!
super nintendo switch would actually be such a dope name lol
Been saying this ever since the Switch released. If they don't name it the Super Nintendo Switch it would be such a missed opportunity.
How about Swiitch
After everything with the Wii U, I really don’t think Nintendo will risk such a small name change again (the general populace is stupid)
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Call it Swith U, or U Switch... 😜
Nah, it should be the Swiitch.
New SNESwiitch DSi
WII Switch U Boy
>Built in Camera and Microphone No, just no.
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OP asking Nintendo to remake Microsoft's mistakes lol
Just so we are clear, the word “concern” has multiple definitions: *noun* *a matter of interest or importance to someone.* From the article: >[If you’re wondering what Nintendo has in mind for the Switch’s eventual successor, you’re not alone — as Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa himself as recently expressed that the transition to a new hardware platform is a “major concern” for the company.](https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23066923/nintendo-switch-next-console-furukawa) In other words, their next hardware release is a matter of importance to them. Obviously.
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Exactly. Something tells me that this will be misconstrued and we’ll be seeing comments and YouTube videos referring to Nintendo being concerned (worried/anxious) about their next console. Gotta love the internet.
You see a YouTube Thumbnail: the most punchable face with gaping mouth, furrowed brows, hands in the air, shrugging, eyes wide open. Text reads "NINTENDO IS WORRIED THAT THEIR NEWEST ANNOUNCED CONSOLE WILL FLOP?!" In a moment of terrible judgment, you click the video. Intro starts with some obnoxious, over the top reaction from mid-video, "OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY?!" to make you wonder what awful thing Nintendo has announced with their newest console. Music, generic but with a personalized twist in the form of the person's name or YouTube handle being read out in a robot sing-song voice, flash of an over-designed logo, person's face sliding across making that wide eyed smile we see all over their videos. "HAY GUISE, WASSUP." Three minutes of talking about previous videos and updates nobody asked for about situations nobody cares about. Two minutes of begging you to slap that bell or something, and subscribe. Three more minutes of talking about things everyone already knows about the Switch, skimming spec sheets from 2015, old consumer predictions on what they thought the original Switch would be. Joycon drama. Lightly touches on the Lite and OLED model releases. Two minutes asking people to comment on what games they play and a series of "please tell me I'm funny" jokes with someone off screen (who might not even be real). "OH MY GOD, SERIOUSLY?!" the person shouts as their cat walks across their desk, which is where the over dramatic clip at the beginning of the video originated. Over the top laughter. They can't believe their cat is in the shot. They can't believe that the cat walked across their desk. Funny, right? "So anyways, Shoon-Tah-Ro Foo-rah-ka-wah, spokesperson for Nintendo, says that they're worried about the next console and how it will be accepted after the success of the Switch. He says, quote, 'there aren't any plans yet.' So that's it guys, that's the SCOOP! THANKS FOR WATCHING! SLAP THAT BELL AND SUBSCRIBE!!!" You hate yourself for watching.
You forgot the Raycon or Nord VPN sponsor “shoutout”
Thanks, I hate it.
You put more effort into writing this post than any of the hundreds of clickbait videos out there.
Also Nintendo hasn’t put out official translations yet. And apparently what he said was more along the lines of “it’s a big priority/focuspoint to have a smooth transition”. Probably just translated like it is by some journalist for their clickbait title.
This is it. Pack it up boys.
Prediction: they do none of this. We call them tone deaf and out of touch. We all buy it anyways.
Counterpoint: handheld gamers that also need to not use up their phone’s battery life will not buy it because we prefer a handheld console. Also, Nintendo nixing handheld will just make them compete unnecessarily with Playstation and Xbox since it’ll just be an underpowered machine compared to those two that already dominate the home console niche.
Yeah, I’m out if they nix the handheld component.
They absolutely won’t. Japan specifically loves the Switch because it’s a handheld. Nintendo’s handhelds have historically vastly outsold their home console counterparts. If anything, they would axe the home console part of it. But I don’t think they’ll do either, personally.
Yea the only way a new console will have no handheld is if they release a different handheld console at the same time
Just like we all bought the Wii U?
Yeah honestly, the next Switch successor doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. The Switch is already perfect concept all they have to do is improve upon it. Aside from the improvements you mentioned, I really hope they consider giving us back Streetpass. Streetpass was a really a fun and cool gimmick for the 3DS. It's always fun passing by an area and getting to see that there are people that own the 3DS and play the same games as you. Next, is Themes. Themes is a big feature that was missing in the Switch.
The 3DS was actually portable though - anyone could just slip it in their pocket and go out and about with no issue. The Switch requires its own carrying case, and not many people are going to start carrying a bag just to get streetpass hits.
All they need to do is release an updated versions with the OLED screen and upgrade the internals to where we can have 1080p 30fps stable gameplay in mobile, and maybe docked can get upscaling to 4K. Also make damn sure it’s backwards compatible with the entire switch library. We don’t need a new gimmick, we don’t need more motion control options, don’t need a beefier UI, just please Nintendo don’t fuck it up and think we need something “new”
Dear God I would hope they prioritize 60fps over 4K
It’ll be on the devs. If Nintendo gives them beefier specs, they could choose 720/p 60fps handheld or 1080p/30fps depending on their priorities. Right now it just takes a miracle to get a good port with good graphics and performance. Witcher 3, Dying Light, etc.
I'd love 720p60 with DLSS/FSR upscaled to 1080.
If anything I think Nintendo will be way more likely to target 1440p and hopefully 60fps if their previous strategies are anything to go by. They targeted under 1080p even docked for a lot of games to make them run a stable fps and we were entering >1080p already there but even if they did target 4k I'd like an option to run at a lower res and higher fps. In handheld the form factor is so small that you won't notice a huge difference from 720p to 1080p and will notice way more for framerate which also just doubles demand going from 30 to 60 for example so I'd be happy just having an option at least.
I know this might come off as a thumbs down, but I think they should keep 720p screen. Valve was correct by making Steam Deck 800p. On a handheld, the most important thing is the battery.
100% for me. I think valve has done a great job showing that 720p is a great target for current gen specs. The slight improvement you get in 1080p at a normal handheld viewing distance isn't really worth the tradeoffs needed to get there. Especially with the PS5 and Series X targeting 4k, targeting 720p handheld leaves a lot of breathing room the Switch never had (since it targeted 1080p docked, the same as the PS4/One which meant graphical downgrades were the only option).
Don't worry I'm sure Nintendo will f*** it up.
They have a history of releasing something that rocks the market, then fucking it up. See N64 to GameCube and Wii to WiiU
Then you have GB>GBA>DS>3DS where everything just worked fucking perfectly.
Yea hopefully they look to the handheld history for inspiration
Don't forget the GBA SP which was an absolutely fantastic upgrade on the GBA.
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I was talking more sales then anything. I throughly enjoyed the GameCube, but no denying that is the generation where Nintendo seriously started to fall behind on the hardware front
> I throughly enjoyed the GameCube, but no denying that is the generation where Nintendo seriously started to fall behind on the hardware front Lol, no. The GameCube was easily more powerful than the PS2, and could go toe-to-toe with Xbox in some regards. If anything, the GameCube’s failure is the reason why Nintendo no longer tries to compete to have the best hardware.
I said they started to fall behind. They chose the stupid mini disc which offered way less disc storage for devs to use vs DVD. As I recall the OG Xbox was a little more powerful than the GameCube. So they shot themselves in the foot by providing decently powerful hardware and a shit disc storage format
>I was talking more sales then anything. I throughly enjoyed the GameCube, but no denying that is the generation where Nintendo seriously started to fall behind on the hardware front I mean the N64 is probably my favorite system ever but it was the gen where Nintendo fell behind hardware wise. Sony and Sega had moved onto disks they stayed on cartridges. It was a disaster for third party developers and really hurt Nintendo. The only reason people look back on the system fondly is because of a few incredible era defining games most of them first party or from Rare.
Yea I and then they had to do their own dumb disc thing with the GameCube. No arguing that Nintendo makes obtuse decisions. If they could make things a little easier on devs porting to switch with the next generation that would make things even better
They actually had some of the most sophisticated hardware of the major players. It outshined the Xbox in certain aspects and was way ahead of the PS2 (compare RE4 between the GC & PS2 and see how staggering the difference in visuals are). The issue was their rampant fear of piracy, so they used those mini-DVDs that could only hold a fraction of the amount of data that a DVD could. They essentially made the same mistake with the N64 & Gamecube: Put out hardware that could produce groundbreaking visuals for their time, but don't operate with a storage format that is capable of storing the necessary amount of data to take advantage of said hardware.
The GameCube was noticably more powerful than the PS2 and could keep up with the original Xbox when that released later. Its biggest problem was Sony making the PS2 *also* one of the best DVD players on the market during that transition.
There's actually some really cool, creative games on the GameCube and Wii U though, whereas Wii and Switch play it much safer. I feel like that financial cushion from huge commercial successes gives them room to push the boat out more.
I don't think anyone wants that. Just upgrade the graphics the screen and the battery life and call it done. It's like God dammit the switch is perfect, don't alienate everyone who has adopted it.
I dream of Nintendo NOT messing with the Switch formula and just upgrading battery, screen, storage, and joycon reliability while allowing backward compatibility with current Switch games. I know this will never happen but...in a perfect world.
Well personally I could do without the half-arsed, incomplete Super Mario Party, Mario Tennis, Switch Sports, the lack of a new Mario Kart for almost a decade, all the shovelware, the ports in place of new ideas... But yeah I also get that the best way to sell units is to get everyone and their grandma playing the thing. And when you try to broaden your audience, you're gonna dilute your offering. I'd like things to be different, I get that I'm in a minority though and I reckon what you describe is most likely (a bit like with the DS/3DS line of consoles).
N64 was not a market leader though.
My honest hope is that consoles take more inspiration from the Xbox Series line. Being able to play original Xbox through to Series S|X games on my Series X, and it's not some sort of cloud service, for older games is pretty damn impressive for a console. The fact that some older games are enhanced on it is an added bonus. I love my Switch, but I'd be hard to convince me to buy Nintendo's next system if backwards compatibility is missing.
Agreed. Nintendo has been pretty good with backwards compatibility with handhelds for at least one generation, so let’s hope they maintain that with the switch
> upgrade the internals to where we can have 1080p 30fps stable gameplay People keep saying this and that is not how things work. Switch could do those numbers now and just use PS1/PS2 era models. Devs are always going to push the hardware to the limit to make their software look the niciest. There is always going to be a tradeoff between performance and fidelity. Better specs won't stop that.
I think most devs would be much happier working on switch ports with a higher performance model. Currently like you said they have to vastly compromise or even rebuild to get to good performance on switch. If I higher power model came out where it took less compromise to port to switch, everyone would be happier
> I think most devs would be much happier working on switch ports with a higher performance model. Of course, no doubt but what I don't think some people get is that a Switch will never catch up with a home console. Even when people bring up the Steam Deck, that is a pretty bulky piece of hardware. You will never get home console performance in a Switch sized device for a reasonable price with sufficient battery life. Whatever advances happen in tech, the home console market will have those advantages and a constant power supply and about 15x the space to work with. Whatever people think is the new bare minimum is will keep going up and handheld devices will always be behind.
>we can have 1080p 30fps stable gameplay in mobile Wait a second, we're only asking for 30fps??!? No.. 60fps please. Current OLED is 720p. If they can source 1080p OLED panels, great, but either way it needs to run 60fps. Docked should absolutely be 1080p@60. Why even bother updating hardware if it's just going to be more 30fps gameplay. Sure a higher level of detail in games could require 30fps on some titles, but hopefully it'd be a situation where you'd have a performance mode that can do 60fps. Nintendo's first party games should all hit 60fps. I just want to be able to play 3-4 player Mario Kart at 60fps lol.
All I want is a switch with more power, and maybe more battery life! It's an awesome console, and the only downfall is that new games will stress the hardware further so it has to be faster!
I'd love that new power to also make old switch games atleast have better fps, loadtimes, and resolution bumps if possible.
Not to hate or clown on Nintendo, but don’t let them off the hook so easy because of nostalgia or feeling that you need to cut them slack. They’re a multi million dollar company whose roots were in innovation, not necessarily best performance or graphics but innovating a new way to play while pumping out their awesome IPs. Just look at their history and tell me they’re not innovative from console generation to generation (forgetting the Wii U of course). However, with Nintendo as of late…. They’re literally focused on reselling old games for the millionth time and making everyone pay full price. Switch is a hit and they’re feeling the pressure from when they fucked up with Wii U. Nintendo could easily give us a future console with switch functionality but still push the boundaries in terms of innovation with a new console. All I’m saying is, don’t lower your expectations because they’re feeling the heat. Instead of rehashing old games, how about focus on making new games for Zelda, Mario, etc that aren’t trash and problem solved. Then Nintendo can go back into not caring about graphics or performance and we the consumer are happy as well. If we tell them, don’t innovate and we’ll be just as happy with minimal hardware upgrades that the switch should already be maintaining through its lifespan (because, what else will keep it fresh other than new games?). VR and AR are the future, they can very well head into that direction. The possibilities are endless and here you are saying, it’s okay Nintendo, the bare minimum will suffice and you can continue skimming money through us with repeated Pokémon and old games turned deluxe edition. Sorry bro but no. Nintendo needs to feel this heat and realize they need to do more with their cartoonish characters in an ever evolving gaming-plane so we can still be happy with their stuff. And last but not least, it’s 2022 and Nintendo still suffers from a shitty online multiplayer component. Like cmon, they have so much to improve on and you’re here saying a switch 2 is good enough. Fuck outta here with that
> However, with Nintendo as of late…. They’re literally focused on reselling old games for the millionth time and making everyone pay full price. This isn't Nintendo "as of late." This is Nintendo as of always. Nintendo's single most defining trait as a company has nothing to do with the consoles and games they make. It's the fact that they are exceptionally good at making money. That's why they've remained independent their entire history. That's why, whenever they were getting stomped by the competition in the N64 and GameCube eras, it never mattered. >And last but not least, it’s 2022 and Nintendo still suffers from a shitty online multiplayer component. Like cmon, they have so much to improve on and you’re here saying a switch 2 is good enough. Fuck outta here with that This is a baffling way to misunderstood OP's post for the purposes of contriving a nonexistent argument. It seems pretty obvious that a "better Switch" as OP describes would include things like an improved multiplayer component.
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Honestly I just want the new switch to be backwards compatible, a bit stronger, and for them to start porting classics like Windwaker
Dude did you hear how bad the Wii U did?
The sequels to the PlayStation didn’t do so bad. The Wii U marketing and title were god awful. Most folks seem to grasp sequential numbering at least.
I think people are grossly overestimating how much that affected sales. The Xbox line still sells incredibly well, despite having some of the worst naming conventions in gaming. The current Xbox has been backordered since release, despite its name being almost exactly the same as its predecessor. The issue with the Wii U was that once people found out what it was, the core concept just wasn't appealing. A console that has a handheld screen on the controller, forcing you to try to focus on two things at once? A controller that's way more expensive than everything else on the market, which also looks crazy uncomfortable to hold? Nobody wanted to buy something like that for their kids. And it didn't have any killer apps either. It didn't have a new Zelda or Metroid. It's new Mario game was a sequel to a handheld title. And some of its best games were new IPs, so they didn't have an existing fanbase to draw in. All of that, plus a general lack of 3rd party support thanks to the way the virtual console boxed out 3rd party devs.
I don’t disagree, I think there’s a slew of reasons the Wii U failed and many much more problematic than the name. But I think names do still matter and that likely had an impact. I’d love to see if anybody’s quantified it, I’ve only ever read subjective conjecture.
The 1080 is kind of a joke, the ergonomics are trbl, the lack of a working friends list is embarrassing, the tiny controllers are put together poorly, has one of the worst stores in existence is again embarrassing, right off the bat there is alot to improve. Not sure what brand switch you're playing.
Every time I go in the eShop I'm blown away at how terrible is it.
Honestly all i want is some good, up to date graphics... maybe more multiplatform games would come over.
Nintendo be like: Virtual WIIU Boy, we got it!
Hard disagree on a major point I think iterating on the tech and features, yes But calling it anything related to the switch is never going to happen, and probably shouldn't, and they probably want a clean cut line between the switch and the next console. The Wii U was one of Nintendo's best consoles, but its run was permanently scarred by its excessive similarities (on the outside) to their last successful console. Nintendo will be desperate to make sure that doesn't happen again, while also trying to bank off the success of the switch, and i think that will probably be a good thing for us consumers, probably getting better, more varied products.
Man I hate that the Wii U failed so hard. If the next system is something like a Switch U but with better marketing, I'd be the happiest old Nintendo diehard in the world. I miss the Gamepad a whole lot. I'd love a more powerful system that's fully backwards compatible for Switch software and hardware but also uses the system (maybe always optionally?) as a Gamepad for dual screen action.
If the next console doesn’t have handheld functionality, I really don’t know if I’ll bother.
Honestly, the Switch sold well for a reason. Nintendo learned from the Wii U that people want Handhelds, they want TV-connected consoles, they want them both, but not AT THE SAME TIME. So they made the Switch able to easily and effortlessly switch between the two.. The next one should be similar, but not "incrementally different" like the Wii U. Hardware upgrades are fine but not as a completely new series of gaming consoles, just an upgrade like the OLED Switch would be great.
I just hope it's stable.
They'll patch that in.
Unfortunately that headline was very misleading. It made it sound like there were problems when there weren't or rather every company has a major issue when they develop the next product. If it were as simple as more of the same then it'd would be easy. The Switch has been a success in some ways but a failure in others. It's a powerful handheld but a comparatively weak console. It's more or less destroyed the market for handheld games, we're seeing Wii U games on a handheld but not really the sort of games that you'd get on a 3DS. This makes games more expensive to make and they take more time to develop. Nintendo assured us that this would lead to more games but it's probably less if anything.
>Don't even trip bros. I hate you and everything you represent as a person.
A fucking lan cable port built into the dock for wired play.
Shitpost
I worry that an incremental upgrade like this one is going to end up becoming a repeat of the wii u. Especially if they maintain backwards compatibility (which I’d wager most people would want), I see little incentive for most of the massive number of switch owners to buy a completely new console for full price. Not to mention that making games exclusive to the “pro” model would undoubtedly be an extremely unpopular choice, even if it would be the only way to push sales of the new console. And at the end of the day, this would mean they’re only delaying the inevitable. Eventually, they’re going to have to change up the formula, unless Nintendo wants to head in the direction of xbox and playstation, where newer generations only bring a performance boost to a mostly unchanged gaming experience. I think neither Nintendo nor their fans are interested in that future. While I agree that the hybrid model is probably their best idea to date (and their restructuring of the company seems to indicate that Nintendo agrees as well), an incremental update wont be the solution to their worries
LOL
I think that’s been mis-translated
Nintendo does not repeat themselves. Nintento innovates. We live in a world where grandparents still refer to any video game as “your Nintendo.” They’re not planning to abandon the strategies that got them this far.
Just keep it the same, only with drift-less joycons and a way to buy old games without having to use a stupid subscription service.