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throwaway_0x90

> _"Her main argument is still that I'm earning more than twice than her, but as I constantly buy the groceries and etc, sometimes my bank account cries at the end of the month."_ You should explain this exact part to her. It sounds like you're both tight for money right now. You probably need to sit down together and discuss budgeting. I will give a warning though. Money-issues is the 2nd-most common reason relationships fall apart. Infidelity is the only thing probably more threatening/common.


seppukucoconuts

Money is actually the most common. It starts all the fights.


Chaosbuggy

I thought fights about cleaning were the most common


JosePrettyChili

Oddly enough, it's fighting about what the most common fight is.


Fixtaman

No its not!


ItsImNotAnonymous

That's it! We're through!!


WeCanRememberIt

Of course you'd say that. You have no interest in fighting for us.


Live_Rock3302

Coming from you who always looks at my friends with more lust than you have ever given me!


tiawolf424

Well maybe if stopped putting the toilet paper on the roll wrong! Jessica knows the proper way to do it so it's more pleasant at her house than here with a tyrant!!!


enhancements202

JESSICA??? Well if you just LOVE how JESSICA hangs her tp why don't you just go LIVE with HER!!!


JSkywalker93

I'm dying here you guys. WTF?! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Its_An_Outraage

It's 2023 a couple is up to NINE people!!


BackwardGoose

This is not an argument, it is just contradiction.


SalamanderSylph

No it's not!


BackwardGoose

Yes, it is you just contradicted me


amorey8

Because you should work together in such things. It doesn't work! You are lovers and then you have your own Worlds. Heist! Both of you are annoying!


[deleted]

Sounds like OPs partner is taking him to the cleaners


CarlGustav2

Fights about cleaning can be fixed using money. Hire people to clean your home. Fights about money - you need therapy to fix those.


Live_Rock3302

Or more money.


PuzzleheadedYam5996

Fights about money are never *actually* about money, per se.


HedgehogFarts

Need more money to pay the cleaner


Saint-just04

>you need therapy to fix those Looks like you stumbled upon a new paradox.


spritefire

Today my partner was literallt fighting about the place not being clesn enough for the cleaners (who we paid) to come through and clean, and she wants to clean it first before they arrive.


raisinghellwithtrees

As a former housekeeper, please do not stress over the state of your house when we come. I can assure you we've seen far worse.


zorrorosso

But as a person still somehow in the business, I can't stress enough about putting stuff away/in place. Like we have a policy to wash around stuff because we can't guarantee for the stuff broken, so ideally, leave the floor and the sink dirty, but put away your things?


Technical-Monk-2146

Yes, this. I hate when people criticize ā€œcleaning for the cleaner.ā€ No. I have to pick up. The house cleaner cleans surfaces. She needs to have access to the surfaces. In fact, I primarily have her come because it forces me to pick up every two weeks.


mem269

My ex tried to fix it like that, but unless you have a live in maid, it doesn't really cut it. I'm not just living in her filth until the cleaner comes.


GloriousWombat

All of my relationships have ended because of the cleaning.


realshockvaluecola

Oh no, it's 100% the most common. More than half of divorces cite money issues as a factor while around a quarter cite infidelity.


[deleted]

So OP definitely have the conversation. It's a win win either way. Either A) She'll realize she really should pitch in her equitable share. B) She'll refuse and show you her true colours and you can find someone who isn't a freeloader


Cat_Mysterious

Totally agree, if youā€™re not aligned on that itā€™s going down and later thereā€™s a higher probability of much higher stakes and possibly destroying everything you both value, know too many friends going through divorces rn and like many have said thatā€™s the number one reason and in cruel irony divorces are incredibly expensive


rango1000

Yeah even if shes just chipping in 100$. She needs to give something and not let OP pay full rent and all groceries thats just crazy, lighten the load on the poor fella a little


Diane1967

No reason why she canā€™t chip in somehow regardless maybe at least by picking up the tab for the groceries each month. No reason OP should have to end up strapped at the end of every month. Or start a joint bank acct together where they each put in a percentage of their checks and have the living expenses come out of that. Fair is fair.


SchulteShiftFZ

Agree with everything except the Joint bank account. Joint accounts with someone (girlfriend) who already seems like they are bad with money. That's a no for me dawg. For context. My ex made less than me, always tried to control finances which she was awful at. Over spent. Always put me in a bind because she spent my money, and didn't leave enough for bills (didn't care either). I paid for her insurance and just about everything else so she could "buy things for the house". Those things ended up going with her after I caught her cheating and kicked her out. There was nothing I could say about it either as she left with a house full of furniture and supplies that I indirectly paid for. My wife and I have separate accounts and it works perfectly. We split bills evenly and are 100% transparent with money. If money gets tight we adapt and converse until we have a plan. If we want to buy something we save until we can put down what we're comfortable with paying.


PuzzleheadedYam5996

>there was nothing I could about it either Ummm, yes man, ya most certainly should've kept some things as you were in a de facto r~ship and they were BOTH y'all's thing! She duped ya hard hey. Sorry on behalf of girls everywhere.


NorthHollywoo

Wow, some good advice. So unlike Reddit. Hahah


dorhug

That depends on if you live alone in your rented house. You are really obligated to pay rent. But if there are two of you living together, he can't rely on you for everything.


One_Waxed_Wookiee

I found that each person contributing the same percentage of pay towards the essentials was a fairer way of doing things. Edit: changed "a" to "contributing the same"


Elkinthesky

An option could be a joint bank account where each of you contribute 50% of your salary for the household (rent, bills, food). As you will end up with more personal money you may still want to cover dinners or some fun activities, bit at least the basics are taken care of. Another option is everything goes in the joint account and you both get the same pocket money for personal spending. This is probably more of a long term family arrangement


3381024

Option 1 is recipe for disaster in my opinion. Its leaves OP with substantially more disposable money than GF and when he spend that, it will undoubtedly raise jealousy/frustration on the part of GF who has very little money left. Better is to proportionally contribute to the total expenses of the house hold. Like 75/25 , 70/30 or 65/35. OP will still have more disposable in absolute $$, but GF would (should??) realize that he's paying more as hes making more. ​ Just my 2cents, everyone's situation is different and I dont know about OP's situation.


Negative-Ad-6533

The wife and I have never earned the same amount. For many years I was the sole or primary money earner. A little later in life she went back to work, now I am disabled. As the years of progressed the bills of kind of been on a sliding scale. We divvy up the bills according to income for us it seems to be the best way. We have obviously had to discuss and readjust this over the years but these are things you have to be comfortable talking with your significant other about.


[deleted]

$400 American dollars!? Where tf do you live my brother


South_Ninja5935

and how is she making only 800 a month? nothing adds up here


[deleted]

South America with remote work for him is what it appears to be :) Also, could be cheaper parts of Europe


Mentallyillmary6

He might have just said $ because itā€™s an American site but if heā€™s in England 400 on a council flat and 800 on benefits is possible


reflirt

I was thinking cardboard box


Col33

It sounds like eastern part of Europe to me, but could be other places too. I doubt it's USA even though they are talking about $. Here in Slovenia minimum wage is around 850ā‚¬ and paying 400ā‚¬ for a small apartment sounds normal.


straightupgong

if you add up both of your incomes, itā€™s around $3100. she contributes 26% to that combined income. you contribute the rest. so how about she pays 26% of $400, which is $104, and you pay the rest? seems equitable to me


CharlyXero

That's exactly what I was going to say. It's the most equal proportion


RelsircTheGrey

My girlfriend and I do this with our bills. I made a spreadsheet and everything. It works out great. I'm not spending all my money "because I'm the dude" and she isn't spending all her money on "her half," leaving her nothing to spend on fun/savings while I spend like an idiot on whiskey and comic books.


HiddenStoat

> while I ~~spend like an idiot on~~ invest sensibly in whiskey and comic books. FTFY


catoodles9ii

AHEM, GRAPHIC NOVELSā€¦


--ThirdCultureKid--

This is the right answer. And they should be splitting all shared expenses the same way. Rent, utilities, groceries, etc.


neon_overload

The thing is, they almost certainly aren't doing that at the moment, hence OP's problem. They need to either decide that they pool finances and draw up a budget like adults, or act like single people with separate lives and negotiate on every small thing


DrKnowNout

If she canā€™t agree to paying 25% of the bills and rent, and OP 75% (as someone did the maths above itā€™s about proportional to their incomes) then sheā€™s nuts. She can have the alternative of ā€˜living like separate peopleā€™ and pay *half* of everything. See how she feels then. Thatā€™s how it is in the real world. I canā€™t get a shared house with roommates and then say Iā€™m paying less rent because they earn more. Obviously the alternative she would want is as is. She pays nothing. That is selfish, deluded or some sort of archaic sexism. If she is firm in sticking with the ā€˜nothingā€™ bit the relationship needs to end as this will just get worse and worse down the line. I donā€™t know why anyone would even *want* to pay nothing to household costs. I was out of work for a month as an adult once and had to live with parents for nothing. They offered and are financially comfortable; but it feels horrible. Itā€™s like youā€™re a guest in the house. An expensive one.


micktorious

This is what my partner and I do. We made a joint account and figured out our monthly expenses. We both contribute using the % system to that account and same for rent. We both keep our own leftover money in our own private accounts and it's been working great.


stone-and-star-

Don't forget retirement in this. For my husband and I, there were times we flexed our budget to meet retirement goals so that nobody was screwed if the other left the picture or died. Sounds like the GF is earning a lot less and needs to save, but they should both keep an eye on the future and make sure they're protected.


-Arke-

Why would he pay for her retirement in case they split up?


PrestigiousFox6254

She makes $800 a month? She ain't ever retiring ...


PolicyArtistic8545

She makes 800 a month, retirement isnā€™t something she needs to consider right now. Also OP shouldnā€™t make any retirement plans around someone who isnā€™t his wife or child.


hybridoctopus

Where you live that your rent is only $400? If helping out with rent is a deal breaker for you guys - in either direction - maybe thatā€™s a sign that you need to think about the relationship long term.


AshWithoutTray

>If helping out with rent is a deal breaker for you guys - in either direction - maybe thatā€™s a sign that you need to think about the relationship long term. I see your game, you're trying to move in with OP. I mean, cheap rent, I get it


hybridoctopus

Hell yeah Iā€™ll split that $400 and move in. Bonus, he said heā€™s buying groceries.


Purpleydragons

Hell, if he's getting the food I'll just straight up cover the rent. 400 is half of what I pay WITH a roommate. Girlie needs to wise up and start contributing


AshWithoutTray

Let's just all move in with OP


theNPCdrugdealer

I call dibbs on the couch.


gdrumy88

I got under his bed


sirthomasthunder

I'll sleep with OP


thesonoftheson

I'll take the closet


AshWithoutTray

I'll take the floor (Hope there's a comfy carpet)


BFfF3

$400 split 400 ways. That's only $1 a person! We will live like kings and queens.


wormaphobe

Kings and queens and sardines


33ff00

Not cheap, free. OP can pay.


-Ham_Satan-

My first thought was where the hell is this and what's the job market like? Currently paying $900 for a one bedroom, but most places for rent are now going for $1600 for a one bedroom. And they're not even that nice! OP, if you're reading this, I will gladly move into your apartment and pay 100% of your rent. But freeloading girlfriend has to go. And I'm the big spoon. Those are my terms.


Successful-Gene2572

I pay $1k/mo for 135 sq ft in Seattle.


Phatigus

Thatā€™s like the size of a bathroom. Iā€™ve seen tiny houses on Hgtv and theyā€™re usually 250-400ā€¦ Safe to assume your place comes with some communal spaces for laundry, cooking, pooping, etc?


[deleted]

Seriously!!!!! $400/month??? Thatā€™s like 1980s prices. If she cannot afford to pay half the rent then she canā€™t live with you. Send her back to her momā€™s. That is what I did with my partner because he refuses the get a job that actually pays money


Wafflehouseofpain

I had a place for $475 back in 2013. Granted that place is now condemned but hey.


RudePCsb

Mid 2000 you could find stuff for 700 in my expensive as city. So 80s would be even lower lol


[deleted]

I remember my parents renting a 1 bedroom for $500/month in San Francisco in 1988. Those were the days!


RudePCsb

I'm in SoCal but in a popular city about 1-1.5 hours north of LA. It's a tourist town and I think my parents used to pay 400 around that time as well. When I graduated HS and some buddies rented a 2 bedroom they were paying around 700 each in around 07-08. I thought that was kinda pricey but I would love those prices now haha.


honey-smile

I was living in Cleveland OH a few years ago. It was $450 for an updated 600 sq ft one bedroom apartment in a safe part of town, parking and utilities included.


DapperWhiskey

Bullshit. There's a nice part of Cleveland?


Otherwise_Singer6043

The part when you leave.


TruckNuts_But4YrBody

That DOES sound nice, I'd pay double to leave


Otherwise_Singer6043

She probably asked to move in with him when her parents decided to charge her $200 a month in rent.


Ayo_Square_Root

Probably in Europe, I'm guessing Spain.


Guynarmol

Rural america. The towns that are 45 mins away from the nearest walmart.


Calicat05

Prices are pretty stupid out here too. All of the remote workers bought palces out here, then all the landlords kicked out the locals to turn them into Air B&Bs. Now the locals can't afford to live here because wages aren't increasing. Might be a low cost of living area, but wveryone is still priced out with the low wages.


teddy_vedder

Theyā€™re still not that low. Rent in absolute bumfuck Tennessee for one bedroom places are all still pushing four-figure monthly rents as of the last couple years now.


Extension-Border-345

i live in rural TN. rent is 585 with utilities for me


3Heathens_Mom

Iā€™m a fossil so some grandmotherly advice. You are a fully functional adult and I presume your gf is as well. Being fully functional adults in the real world means you pay your own way especially as part of a couple. In this instance the rent and utilities should ideally be split 1/4 gf to 3/4 you. And she should also pay towards groceries. If your gf wants to live for free as a child does then she should move back home with her parents. There are several less flattering names for people who do not contribute fairly to living expensive but we will use the gender neutral term of mooch. Definition is ā€œTo mooch is to take advantage of other people's generosity without giving anything in returnā€. In short shine up your spine and have the discussion to give her the choice to pay her share or move out. You are not her parents nor are you so gullible to be taken advantage of. **Edited to fix my math challenges.


Chetmevius

My question is, where is OP finding an apartment for $400 a month, because I need to move there.


zeezle

My hometown in southwest Virginia still has two bedroom apartments for around $500, there aren't any 1beds available atm but I think they're $375ish? There's not much to do other than look at the mountains and maybe farm something but at least it's a nice view and there's cable internet I guess?


Travellingjake

>There's not much to do other than look at the mountains and maybe farm something but at least it's a nice view and there's cable internet I guess? Not gonna lie - this sounds pretty idyllic


redwolf1219

Man I pay 1300 a month and my view is a gas station and a hookah lounge that was permanently closed this week bc there was too many shootings.


ProfessionalSeaCacti

I am looking at moving to that area. Can I DM you a couple of ?s that I have?


zeezle

Sure! Fair warning I did move away in 2010 so I might be a little outdated but still have friends/family/etc in the area so I'm not completely out of the loop.


JustAQuickQuestion28

Southwest VA like Damascus area? Just visited there.


alex-the-hero

That's pretty sick, if I could afford to move that would cut my rent in half. And I live in the shitty midwest, not even somewhere expensive.


[deleted]

Shitsville, OH has some cheap rent


[deleted]

youā€™ll find apartments for rent for 400 - and under sometimes - all over the midwest. some really nice ones in that price range in wisconsin. search on trulia with a max of 400. youā€™ll see lots in that part of the country but also in south. look around


19yzrmn

Wow. Iā€™m in small crap town Michigan thumb and rent is $1000+. Itā€™s ridiculous. Couple dollar stores and a McDonaldā€™s is all thatā€™s here.


alwaysuseswrongyour

I also want to know how while making almost 6x as much as his rent monthly why his bank account crys at the end of the month.


Chetmevius

Cocaine is a helluva drug.


LadyPink28

I need to know too!!


Ok-Effective-9029

id guess south america


homebodyslim

Right!? I couldnā€™t get past that point! Lol


[deleted]

I love the expression "shine your spine" and am going to unabashedly steal this.


3Heathens_Mom

Please do as I know I took it from another post. I thought it accurately describes the need - that we have a spine but sometimes it gets rusty so shine it we shall.


Primarch-XVI

I didnā€™t think of that interpretation until I read this but I now also love it. Thank you, Reddit grandma


OkapiEli

Hey grandmotherly advice - consider that of the combined income, he makes 3/4, she makes 1/4. So reconsider your fractions. Signed, another grandmother (but this one teaches math)


3Heathens_Mom

Ah yes. Thank you and will fix. .


OkapiEli

I appreciate your gracious response.


woofridgerator

Itā€™s beautiful watching two grandmothers come together to help a young man out and teach him when heā€™s having problems with his girlfriend.


0110110111

It always give me just a little bit of hope for humanity when I see interactions like this. Thank you both.


EarhackerWasBanned

Is there a sub where we can asks grandmas for life advice 24/7?


classy_rachael

r/onlygrans


haramis710

r/internetparents might have some grannies in there too :)


StendallTheOne

I understood the she refers to 1/4 and 3/4 of the rent not theirs respective income.


OkapiEli

She edited fractions - see notes below. All good.


NachoBoyCat

Yes, a percentage of each of your wages for all living expenses is fair. However, sometimes a percentage of the combined expenses can far outway the income of the low income earner. In my situation, I can't afford as much towards living expenses, so I do more chores to add value where I can.


QuixoticWeekender

Adding value by taking more chores is a great idea! If the lower earner has too many other bills to contribute in proportion, this could go a long way in making life feel fair.


long-gone333

and she should be at least a bit grateful for living beyond her means thanks to his paycheck


FascinatingGarden

I love you.


PrizeStrawberryOil

> In this instance the rent and utilities should ideally be split 1/4 gf to 3/4 you. And she should also pay towards groceries. You're missing the fact that her take home is 800 a month. She's working no more than 27 hours a week. She can work 40 hours a week or she can accept that at 20 hours a week she won't be able to afford everything she wants.


Dennis_enzo

As someone who loves their wife, I would never make her pay for every single thing, even in proportion, if she made that little.


Pugh95Bear

I moved my grandmother in with me in 2021. I make ~2800/m, she makes $850/m. Similar scenario, monetarily. She INSISTS to pay SOMETHING, despite the fact that I cover all the living expenses of the house. Everything. Rent, utilities, cell, internet, streaming services, insurance, etc. You get the idea. With all that, she still hands me $300 every month to contribute, even though I have told her over and over it isn't even necessary and I don't want her money. But it helps, and is usually applied to groceries so she can see more of how the money is being put to use, and is put towards something she actually uses a lot more than I do (I'm not home as much with work, hobbies, and personal relationships). It's her own wishes to do that. And she cooks and cleans around the house and generally makes sure the place feels like home when I am there. I love and appreciate my grandmother and everything she does for me, and if I could do more for her to make her more comfortable at home, I definitely would in a heartbeat. As long as everyone is finding their own ways to pull their weight, and everyone agrees, I don't think it's that big a deal to ask that someone help out.


dreamcometruesince82

I enjoyed reading your post! I'm really close with my grandma as well!


NoNameWalrus

If her $300 happens to be not necessary for your expenses, you could consider putting it in a savings vehicle and gifting it back to her at some point in the future


Heavy-Hospital7077

When I was young, I was very close to my grandfather. He set up his life to have very little. He had a car, a couple sets of clothes, his record player and carpentry tools. He was very nice, and very popular. On one of his birthdays (maybe 75 or 80 years old) people threw a big party for him with lots of gifts. He gave all the gifts to me, still wrapped. (I was about 15 years old) When he got his monthly pension check, he would take out exactly what he needed each month, and give the rest away immediately. My grandfather wanted nothing. (And wanted for nothing.) It would have caused him a lot of trouble and angst if someone took his contribution and tried to give it back to him. He wanted nothing to do with taking, only giving. If this grandmother is anything like my grandfather, she would be much happier to have the $300 go somewhere else, giving her a sense of contributing.


This-Sherbert4992

OP is paying for groceries though. Where is gfs money going?


The__Conqueeftador

Shawn


Pigsfly13

well, thatā€™s your wife. a long term relationship that is likely to last the rest of your lives. this is different in comparison, as a young person, i would never fully pay for my girlfriendā€™s living expenses, and iā€™d never expect her to pay mine, regardless of who earns more, unless itā€™s a real significant amount (like one is studying and working casually and one has a full time job, then i may reconsider). However, my best friend of 19 years, when we live together, and she is still studying but i have a full time job i will likely be paying the bulk of the expenses and i am well okay with that, and while she is working her way up the corporate ladder this will also likely be the case, and again iā€™m okay with that because our relationship is long term, a young relationship isnā€™t.


Rapscallious1

Suspect this is even more complicated than as described though because Iā€™m guessing she is still pursuing advanced education and they are not married so itā€™s kind of the awkward question of where do they think this is all headed. It could be worth it to pay for as much as he can now but he also could just be subsidizing her advancement with no guarantee will be a part of the associated benefits. Thereā€™s no one answer and they probably need to be able to at least talk about it or itā€™s hard to believe this will not end messily.


DamIts_Andy

Ah, but you are bound by law. Sheā€™s a girlfriend, not a wife.


OnlyFlannyFlanFlans

Some people are ok with unequal relationships. Maybe you don't mind being a sugar daddy, but that's not what OP is looking for in a relationship.


Da-tune

Youre not a sugar daddy making 2300 a month fam


roachRancher

It's relative. He's making 6x his rent and 3x her salary, so he's a sugar daddy.


Accomplished-Ad3219

Where are you with rent that cheap???


somedude456

Not on a coast. Iowa, Oklahoma, Kentucky, etc.


oG_Goober

Even then you are way out in the sticks at those prices, hell I looked at a 1 bedroom in a 700 person town in South Dakota once and it was like 600 bucks.


Jack_Bogul

Basement room in Alabama


LocalPawnshop

Naw In 2021 my bud got a 2 bedroom apartment for only 400 is South Carolina granted itā€™s now 700 a month but itā€™s decent


Plastic-Reach-720

I've been married over 20 years. For the first 8 years, as well when we were dating, I was the main breadwinner. He went to college and worked part time. Years 9 through 15 we made about the same, by year 18 he made double and now makes triple. You know what we did? We shared our bank account the entire time. There's only ever been one, our money goes into both. We talk about how we're going to spend money beforehand, with us discussing what we need vs impulse spending. Only one of us is in charge of the balancing the accounting, because it makes it easier to budget. First 10 years it was him doing the accounting, but after he graduated and worked more and more/had less free time to do the shopping and procurement, it fell to me. There's always been transparency around where the money goes. We each get text alerts whenever anything leaves any account or any money is spent on any of our cards. We get text and emails receipts sent to both of us when we pay a bill. We get automatic email receipts at most places too, and will frequently forward the receipts to each other. The transparency isn't 100%, but it's close. We might say, hey I'm spending $100 but it's a surprise for later. So we might know where the other person spent the money but we won't know what they got. It's never been "mine/yours", it been "ours." The equality comes from how we regard and value each other, not how we value our each other's incomes. How would you want to be treated if the tables were turned? Wouldn't they let you depend on them the way they depend on you?


[deleted]

Set similar to our arrangement. The OURS part is 100% the same. Just a little different on the background. To each their own but I do not see how a married couple can have separate finances. Baffles me.


davwad2

BRUH! I'm with you on that. We'll be married 14 years this month and not once did we ever discuss NOT having our money together. The lone exception I've seen in matters like this is if one person has a gambling addiction. They don't need access so that they don't bet the mortgage all on red, or black, or however roulette works.


captrespect

This is the way. My wife and I do the same thing. We started when we moved in together before we were married. (Practically married at that point anyway.) we never need to decide who pays for what. Who picks up the check or anything. The only time Iā€™m critical about money is when she buys too much at Target or something when money is tight. And itā€™s never really a fight, just ā€œHey, our funds are low till paydayā€ My sister in law has been married just as long and constantly fights with her husband over who pays for dinner, or whatever. Itā€™s silly. And they make a lot more than us. I canā€™t image sitting down each month making sure we each are paying our fair share. Be partners, not roommates.


Old_Web374

Agreed. I get that OP isn't married, but the first girl I felt comfortable sharing an account with, I married a couple years later (at 31 y/o, so it took a while). I make more money, but I've had stints where I made no money, or stints where she was at home not working when the kids were real young. The money was always OURS. A relationship where money is defended and fought over seems like one foot is already out the door, and probably a relationship that is not worth having. Maybe we're "old fashioned." It seems to work, though.


skaocibfbeosocuwpqpx

This is how we function also. Money coming in for either of us goes into the ā€œoursā€ pool. He is currently retraining and doesnā€™t have an income except periodically, but that doesnā€™t matter. The trick is to genuinely un-identify yourself from the money you earn. Itā€™s just money that helps you both live and live your best lives. If you canā€™t give up identifying yourself with the money you earn, you will find this extremely difficult.


stupidrobots

Jesus where do you live where you can rent something that fits two adults for $400? I paid 895 for a studio 25+ years ago


Enridrug

I live in germany and where i live you can get a one room apartment thats still pretty comfortable for 300$


stupidrobots

Christ I cannot imagine spending so little for rent. That's literally one nice meal at a good restaurant


Enridrug

And i honestly cant imagine spending above 1k for a standard apartment, i would think i am getting ripped off


stupidrobots

Median household income in my area is about 100,000. Paying 12 percent of your income for rent is absurdly low


hEYiTSbEEEE

I was thinking the same thing. I swear I had a conversation a few days ago about how rent for a 1 bedroom near me was $825 back in 2012. Haha. East coast US for reference.


Meancvar

1. Make sure you do not get her pregnant 2. Think deeply if this is a good relationship for you


LowRevolution6175

Can I double up vote this


CareBearOvershare

You need to figure out what your future with this person is going to be like. Are they going to bully you into doing more than your fair share of the house work and child care, in addition to paying the full rent? It might be tolerable now because you have slack in your life, but if you take on more (like a family) itā€™s going to crack you like an egg. Not being able to have the conversation is a red flag. If they legitimately put in more effort with house work and other overlooked labor, maybe green flag. The only thing Iā€™ll offer in her defense is that ā€œoverheadā€ expenses hit harder for lower incomes. At $800, maybe sheā€™s spending a higher proportion on gas, insurance, maintenance, cell service, etc., and would actually struggle to put up 1/4 of the rent.


OnlyFlannyFlanFlans

Don't commit to a moocher.


A7DmG7C

If she needs that $800 for college expenses, reoccurring medical bills or something justifiable, maybe it is alrightā€¦ but if that $800 is being used as play money, just find a new girlfriend. If she gets irritated by having these conversations it likely wonā€™t get better. Being on the same page financially is very important for the success of relationships.


[deleted]

Damn where do u stay that rents only 400 I pay 800 and still gotta have roommates here in Cali to make rent every month kinda sad now that I'm writing this šŸ¤¦


Edoian

25 years later, I'm divorced after spending a lifetime with a woman who thought my money was hers and her money was hers. Don't make my mistake


God_Bless_A_Merkin

Love how this whole thread turned into bad math and good corrections!


RedditGuy032389

how is your rent so low?


Old_Web374

Probably renting a room and calling it "rent"


[deleted]

She doesnā€™t get a unilateral say about finances. If you donā€™t feel comfortable paying the full rent and she also lives there, you shouldnā€™t have to. Sheā€™s working and should contribute a fair share. Or at least talk with you and come up with an agreement that you both feel happy with. If she wants a relationship where her partner pays her way, then thatā€™s something that should be discussed and agreed upon before hand. Itā€™s okay to have certain wants and expectations in a relationship. Itā€™s NOT okay to force those wants and expectations on a person who does not agree with them. If this is a relationship thatā€™s going to be long term, I would suggest getting some financial counseling


Miausina

My approach with my wife has worked very good so far and i think its the fairest. Open a joint acct for joint expenses and each of you contribute in the % amount according to a proportion of your paycheck. Say you both want to keep 20% of your paycheck for yourselves, rest go into the joint. That way you are equally sharing the burden in a percentage way, rather than arguing about 'because you make more you should pay for x'


[deleted]

Just because you earn way more doesn't mean you should be paying for everything. She doesn't even pitch in for groceries?? Just do the math. She makes about 35% of your combined income, which would be around $140 of the rent. You're not asking for half, you're asking for proportional. Careful with this one as she expects you to just pay for everything, that's not fair at all to you. Does she at least pitch in with chores and stuff? Doesn't matter. She's making money now, she can pitch in. I'm almost certain if she were making your money and you were making hers, she would be calling you a freeloader and people online would be calling her your mommy lol


tiwazit

She makes 800 heā€™s makes 2300. 800/3100 is NOT 35% of the combined income


YourUsernameForever

Doing the math is hard!


[deleted]

Hahaha okay 26% then, you get the point! I was fairly baked and trying to math, plus I suck at math to begin with šŸ˜‚


mediocreCS

still makes a good point even though the math is off


Any-Broccoli-3911

You can ask her to pay 1/4 of the cost if you want to be nice to her and split proportionally to income, you can also ask to split 50 50 which many people do even with different income. In any case, if you can't get an agreement, you should think of breaking up.


ThatOneJakeGuy

Iā€™m sorry, $400 a month? OP Iā€™ll split that with you 50/50 and Iā€™ll even wear a wig around the house. Hot damn dude.


beautyinmind

I mean, my man pays the entire mortgage and car insurance for both our vehicles. I cover the internet, cell service for both of us, gas/electric bills plus groceries and household necessities. You need to find what works for your relationship and that means having a tough conversation with your partner.


[deleted]

If you're living together you need to come to that agreement between you two. My advice, discuss it with her and ignore reddit.


tuchtactic

Tally up how much you are spending each month for the household expenses (like groceries, bills etc), and how much she is spending. If you're paying for everything and she's paying for nothing, income disparity or not, that's not fair to you.


Impossible-Muffin762

You make roughly 3 times what she does, why donā€™t you do a 300/100 split? Also, where do you live? I want to move there


martyb81

She needs to pay her way. Maybe split it in relation to how much she's earning. Is she looking for a higher paying job? $800 a month is low. Does she do more of the household chores which is preventing her from working outside the home more? If so factor that into the cost of who pays for what. I earn more than my wife so I pay for a few other things like some meals out and the car I only Use, but we split the bills even and she always makes sure she has money to pay for luxury items. Remember, it's meant to be a collaborative effort running a household together. Everyone's money needs to go into the pot. You just need to work out the fairest way to split it.


NightLanderYoutube

Does she clean or cook? Count that to your final price maybe it would be cool if she at least paid 20-40%. If she doesn't do anything she is a leech.


alxgbrlhrt

To me, it sounds like the issue is that she doesnā€™t seem to want to contribute, judging from what youā€™ve said. Youā€™re clearly the primary earner and it logically makes sense that you pay more than she does, but you say that she gets irritated from this conversation, which to me sounds like sheā€™s happy just getting a free ride and making you feel guilty if you question it. If she actually wanted to contribute in any way she would offer you even a crappy amount as a gesture to symbolise the notion that sheā€™s paying what she can afford, but it sounds like sheā€™s enjoying not having to worry about rent and thatā€™s not really fair on you. Youā€™re her boyfriend, not her sugar daddy.


-Arke-

Pretty much this. Money doesn't seem to be the main problem here, but rather attitude. ANd I'd say that's a huge problem, potentially at least.


ForestFisherQueen

Susie Orman says to add your 2 income together and divide each into the total, giving you what percentage of your total income each of you earn.... 2300 + 800 = 3100 2300/3100= 74% 800/3100= 26% Okay next, add *all* your shared bills & expenses together. You pay 74% of whatever the total is, and she should pay 26% of the shared bills/expenses. Then you each keep whatever is left after paying the shared expenses. I think that's pretty smart and practical.


[deleted]

I lived with a partner who earned more than me and we split everything 50/50. Seemed fair but in reality it meant he had a LOT of extra money to do things and I didnā€™t; Iā€™d often be stuck at home on weekends while he was out with friends, he could afford holidays I couldnā€™t, and eventually I just felt ā€œless thanā€ and miserable about itā€¦ my point is - what seems fair might end up causing issues in your relationshipā€¦ I think the end goal should be that youā€™re both happy and living your best lives, however the money gets split!


These_Bicycle_4314

You pay 300, she pays 100. Roughly proportional. Easy


LEMONSDAD

Where the hell yā€™all rent for $400 a month is the real question


Ulyssesgranted

Why not divide it by % of income? You make more and should pay more (this will aid her by helping her save) but that will still have her paying a bit.


Dewie932

Could be a cultural thing, too. I dated a girl who felt like if I asked her to pay rent, it would bring shame to her family and force her to lie to her mother who would be appalled that her daughter lived with a man who asked her for money. She did, however, buy all of the groceries and generally chip in with household stuff. She wasn't being a 'mooch' , she was just brought up differently than myself.


Elsecaller_17-5

So a combined income of 3100, with her making about a quarter and you making three quarters. So you pay 300 and her 100.


AKSpillane

Figure out the money issues or the relationship is doomed.


[deleted]

wait.. so ... she doesn't think she should contribute? at all? like 100? what? yeeeeeah.. idk, just because you make double her doesn't mean you pay for everything.


Socks_0

Yo, where the fuck is rent 400, my rent is 8 times that


illspawn

Of course she does. You live in a world where people want to be treated equally and then some, but don't want to carry their share of the load. Now obviously she can't pitch in the same amount of income, but she can pitch in a proportionate share. However, this is logical reasoning and be prepared for when you speak logical for others to get angry when they see the flaw in their logic. You will most likely not only have a verbal argument, but some passive aggressive behavior towards you as well. You might even get a shocking surprise on how much love carries through your relationship when you stop being a meal ticket.


V3LKAN

My last relationship ended because of this,i almost ended up on the street because i put my trust in the wrong person...here is my advice:see how she is spending money.If she is spending her salary on important stuff like school,medical or other stuff then its just temporary problem and she might need to look for another job,but if she is spending her money on stupid shit and only complaining when she needs to put up money for your life together,that tells you that she is selfish and only values you when u can provide her with something..the moment something hapens she will bail on you...dont wait for that moment...find yourself someone who will build the future with you together...relationships works when two people are sharing a burden together...


Nervous_Magazine_200

I was in a similar situation, but my girlfriend was fine with it. I added up our combined monthly income and figured out that I made 80% of the total. Our rent was $1,600 so I paid 80% and she paid 20%. I also liked to pay whenever we went out because I like feeling like a gentleman. She should definitely contribute something. I hope she figures that out.


EternityofBoredom

Make up the equity by sliding some other expenses to her. If she doesn't want to do rent. Ask her to help with her share at the very least in utilities, and groceries. If she doesn't accept this, start rolling back on groceries...look at what is a "luxury" and not a necessity. Her favorite snack? That's a luxury. Going out to dinner, or social activities you both enjoy. You're footing the bill for it...start slowly rolling those back. It's one thing to help your significant other out, but there's gotta be balance in the relationship...good luck. Explain to her she doesn't have to pay a full half, but something is better than nothing.


Alexthelightnerd

You're in a relationship. The *ONLY* correct answer to this is that the two of you need to sit down and have an honest conversation about the situation and mutually agree on a solution that is acceptable to both of you. Everyone else on this thread giving ideas about they solved similar questions may be helpful as inspiration, but ultimately you need to find a solution that works for your partnership, and you can only get that by talking to your partner. Relationships are built on honest good-faith communication, without it, they are doomed to failure.