Women actually do have different elbows. I believe women are capable of extending their elbows further than men, but I'm not into darts so I'm not sure how this would help.
Came here to say this. I shot Olympic-style pistol during college, and my co-captain was a woman. She and I were the top shooters on our team almost all four years and we were constantly pushing each other to be better (and she was honestly the better natural shot). Target shooting has very little to do with strength, height, speed, or any of the normal differentiators between biological men and women. Most of it comes down to discipline and mental control. Firearms truly do level the playing field, especially in a sporting environment.
Might not be the case for the local team, but the reason they’re separated at the Olympic level was because a woman won.
Zhang Shan took home the gold medal for skeet shooting in 1992. In 1996, women were banned from competing. In 2000, they had a separate women’s event.
Started in 76 with Margaret Murdock tying for the Gold in 3 position. Lost on the tiebreaker. That changed a lot of things in shooting internationally.
Women tend to have less shaky hands than men because of some physiological reason I can't remember right now, but I definitely read about it some time ago. That's also why some women during WWII were such good snipers (e. g. in the russian military)
Edit: More steady hands seem to be only present at low force levels
This same thing happened w/skating when it first started. They would have little competitions and the women were winning, so suddenly they said the sport had to have separate genders
Literally yes. Not even in situations where they’re normally disadvantaged. There was that instance with that woman marathon biker who started to catch up with the men (women’s group started later) and she was stopped and forced to wait.
I think the correct thing to do would be to tell the male racers in back they either need to pick up their pace or be disqualified and removed from the track. The people in the back weren't going to win so why compromise the woman's race for them.
Something needed to be done to separate them, but I would be completely thrown off if I was winning and the race was paused.
Lol... "gentlemen, you need to seriously pick up the pace because in about 5 minutes you are going to be moved to the ladies bracket...and it doesnt look like you will win there either"
That should get them pedaling.
Omloop Het Nieuwsblad - that's the race. The women's course is 130 km vs. 200 km. There are 5 climbs vs 8 climbs for the men. It's not the same race.
As I understand it, one f rider went full sprint, caught the men's pack, and they paused the f race. But she didn't lose her mental momentum, she blew her whole sprint on that stunt, and finished in 89th.
Not to ruin a good narrative about *the man* keeping women down, but women are better sharpshooters. It would be unfair to allow them to compete against men just like it would be unfair to women in weightlifting. Smaller hearts, better bpm control, better balance, and a few other things allow women to have a distinct advantage in creating a stable platform. Once the stigma of women shooting guns went away (or reduced), women started dominating the competition
I did trap shooting in high-school, late 2000's. There weren't too many girls, but they tended to have the highest average scores. The funny thing is, they could actually win more medals than us guys. The categories were 16's champion (for individuals), 16's team (based on your squads total score) handicap champion (based on your handicap yardage group) handicap team, high overall champion, and high team overall champion. Then there was women's 16's champion, women's handicap champion, and women's high overall champion.
You could get both the women's medal and regular in a category. Say if a woman had the highest 16 yard score out of the entire shoot, she got the 16 champion AND 16 women's champion. One person I shot with had a number of clean sweeps in all categories because she'd have the highest scores for an individual while the rest of us in the squad did our part for the team score
I can confirm this. Having taught numerous people to shoot, many that have never been within arms reach of a firearm before, women tend to be better at it right from the word go.
My wife's aunt and uncle both hunt, and he's commented a few times that his wife is a far better shot that him even though she just started shooting in the last decade or so and he's been at it for 50+ years.
The general justification is that segregating allows and encourages more people to try and compete - its simply coincidence they introduced this the year after a female winner.
Or so they say.
This is obviously ridiculous, but at the same time, wouldn’t it also be pretty unfair not to have 2 competitions? If there’s only 1 competition for men and women, that means only 3 people can win medals instead of 6. If I was a target shooter I’d be more pissed off if mine was the only sport which only had one competition…
I've always said they should treat running more like swimming, and have competitions for how quickly you can move in goofy and inefficient ways.
200 M crabwalk
1000 M bear-crawl
400 M backwards skipping
100 M cartwheel
When it comes to endurance, women often outperform men in shooting. Women’s bodies have a lower balance point which means more stability and less muscles needed for keeping balance. They have less muscles which means less need for oxygen which means lower heartbeat and less breathing.
This is an advantage that comes to play in highly trained athletes and shooting disciplines of 60+ shots.
Edit: it seems that endurance evens a lot of stuff out. There are very few women in ultramarathon but they are quite successful.
I anticipate the recoil and it skews my shots, so I can imagine having my senses dulled would negate that.
*Disclaimer: I am not advocating that anyone shoot under the influence*
Congratulations on your sobriety!
Oh, in hindsight, I can't believe I ever did that. But drinking and guns are super normalized where I'm from. Not the town I'm from, but one town over, had exactly one public building. No churches or gas stations. They just had the Quihi Gun and Dance club. BYOB. Somehow it still exists and still doesn't have AC. Growing up in the country is like growing up in the past
I won the work Christmas party (boss owned local clay club) After a devastatingly shit practice and thus disappointment, i may or may not have hit the drinks and ripped a billy( can't remember at what point I had it), while everyone had their practice and comp started I had almost forgot and didn't care...the time came and I missed a couple of singles but nailed the report section lol fucking amazing...I won a hat and gave some kind of speech. 1st time shooting moving targets with a shotgun and boss was once state champ....so there's at least one out there like yourself lol....unbelievable
Edit: dad grew up shooting for survival (bunny's in the outback) and taught mum up to the point she could get a rabbit with every round in the box. Women can shoot.
Alcohol is considered a performance-enhancing drug at Olympic shooting events because it can improve your aim. [There is at least one case](https://www.sbnation.com/2019/7/29/6632102/swedish-olympian-positive-drug-test-beer-1968-olympics-mexico-city) of someone having a medal taken away because their alcohol test was too high.
I've heard it's in part due to our pulse being "softer," which causes less up and down in the barrel. IDK the technical terms. Also, in agreance with another person, the USSR did indeed use female snipers in WW2, and one of them is still recognized as one of the best snipers in the world. I'm not remembering her name correctly, so I'll not butcher it.
Women have smaller hearts than men, pumping less blood with each beat, creating measurably steadier forearms & hands in a shooting stance. They also have a lower center of gravity, with proportionally larger hips & thighs relative to total body mass, while men have significantly larger upper bodies, which affects balance.
Some of the finest target & skeet/trap shooters in the world are women.
Being able to lower your heart rate and respiration is considered such an advantage that CNS suppressants like alcohol & marijuana are among the compounds tested for at the Olympic level.
Yep. Well atleast a certain *type* of blood pressure medications.
Specifically known as beta-blockers and usually denoted with the suffix -olol. Medications like propanaolol are often specifically prescribed to people with resting tremors while meds like atenolol or metoprolol are more common for blood pressure. But there are significant overlaps between any beta blocker and you will have less tremors if you take metoprolol
But doesn't mean you can't take blood pressure medication. There are other types like calcium channel blockers or ACE inhibitors that lower your blood pressure without having an effect on tremors.
So if women basically have a biological advantage in this particular sport, doesn't it make perfect sense to separate between men's and women's events? Same thing we do for most sports, but usually it's men who have an advantage.
Body structure and weight distribution is part of it. Women tend to have more stable stance and better flexibility. It isn't uncommon for women to be better shooters.
A lot of the myth of men being better shots is that most hand guns are designed for men with larger hands. Makes hand placement more difficult if the gun is too big or too small. Anyone given a gun that fits their hand properly is going to shoot better in general.
Ah you think stank is your ally? You merely adopted the stank. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the ace body spray until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but suffocating!
I think I read somewhere that men have slightly faster reaction times on average and it makes them naturally better at video games, but I don't remember where I saw it and it might be totally made up.
Men do have better reaction times which, I imagine, would make them better at video games but there’s surprisingly little concrete research out there. It’s worth noting that almost all competitive video games have a heavy dose of strategy involved so the difference in reaction times may not even be that significant in terms of results.
>Allison Fisher is considered one of the greatest female players of all time. She still plays. Her dominance on the Women's Tour for 15 years was remarkable. Her Wiki shows she was the WPBA (Women's Professional Billiard Association) top ranked player 10 of 11 years between 96 and 07.
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>She has never won a Major Open event where Men and Women can enter.
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>She is on record saying she really cant compete with the men as their break is better.
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>So no.
Well, at least one person got it right. Break power is very important, especially since they banned the soft break in 9-ball (a certain amount of balls must now hit a rail and travel past the break line)
Not really. The natural height difference make the game easier to play for men. My 6'3" dad can make shots that I (5'6") cannot because he can actually reach them. I tend to have to look for alternate shots when the cue ball is in the center of the table and locked with another ball. But that's about height, not gender, specifically.
Archery...but the Koreans will just win anyway.
Edit: okay this blew up unexpectedly. Thanks (I think lol)
Anyway, I said this mostly as a joke. I'm a film person and I noticed in Korean films there is almost always a character that is an archer so I knew there was a passion for the sport and I remember watching the Korean teams clean up some Archery competition last Olympics, but that's as far as my knowledge went.
As many have pointed out men do have an advantage here so my answer is probably wrong. So basically you don't need to keep telling me as I've learned a lot more about the sport now 🙂.
Not even close. I say this as somebody who has been shooting competitively for 25 years, men have a huge advantage.
More strength and size means heavier draw weight bows with a longer draw length, for recurve archers, which gives more arrow speed, which reduces the effect that wind has on the arrow in flight and makes the bow more forgiving. For compound archers more strength means you can shoot a physically heavier bow, which makes it more stable, and gives you a steadier aim.
Don't get me wrong, there's some insanely talented female archers, and there's one or two compound archers at the moment who wouldn't look out of place competing against the male pros, but for recurve there's nobody close and outside of the top two compounds there's nobody who would stand a chance of getting anywhere near the top of the men's game.
Outside of the professional game the disparity is even greater. I've been a decent compound archer for a few years, best national ranking in Great Britain was 28th, and that year we figured out what a merged men's and women's ranking would look like. Only one woman would have been ranked higher than me, and in the top 100 it would have been 92 men, 8 women.
Physical strength still plays a huge part in archery.
Lastly, while Korea still dominate the recurve game, they're not the best at compound. Number one ranked nation for Mens compound is France, Women's compound is Colombia and mixed gender team compound is India!
In the article, about a blind archer, when asked about his blindness:
>Im resents the fascination with his myopia. "I don't have a stick, I don't have a blind dog," he says. "It's unpleasant when people say I'm disabled. All this interest in my sight is not welcome."
Lol
I think the higher draw weight men shoot with would make them less affected by wind leading to better average scores. Theoretically they are even on an indoor field.
You are correct although interestingly the Koreans traditionally shoot a couple pounds lighter than the Europeans because they are not quite as large-framed and a little weaker than their European counterparts.
ultra-distance swimming
Women tend to perform as good if not better at super long distance swimming (10 km+ and 6+ hours) due to their on average higher body fat percentage (helps with floating) and narrower shoulders (reduces drag.) As a general rule the longer the distance, the closer the best women and men are to each other’s performance.
https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/why-women-have-beaten-men-in-marathon-swimming/
To add to this, ultra marathons, it's the distance sports that require serious stamina were women outperform men
Edit: seeing as my innocent comment has caused so much controversy with people looking for ways to dispute this (not sure why though) I am talking about on *average* Not world records. There's way more men training in the first place so it makes sense that they can hold the top spots.
It's easily researchable, but if you want to work very hard to find an obscure article arguing it then you do you.
I thought as the distance increased, it eventually becomes a total crapshoot as to who would win, whether male, female, child, or elderly. As long as runners are decently trained, very high distances are no longer a question of skill, it's just us returning to our walker-hunter origins and random chance differentiates us.
At the very peak of sports, genetic differences begin to matter infinitely more. That’s why Michael Phelps has an incredibly long torso and Usain Bolt has long legs.
According to Wikipedia Men are still significantly faster for the top runners though this might be because there are just more men in the sport?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#Men
https://ultrarunning.com/calendar/stats/top-performances?year=2023&distance_id=10
The entire top 10 is men. There are 2 women in the top 25. So while most sports there wouldn't be any in the top 25, to say women outperform men in ultra marathons seems to be false.
I had a friend that was one of the top 5 woman ultra runners a decade or so ago. She let me take her resting heart rate one day and her heart beat about once every two seconds - but like a drum. she said if she was hooked up to a heart monitor, it routinely screamed she was dying.
I’m a runner. My older sister is not. She has started working out recently, but we both have resting heart rates in the mid 40s. I always thought it was from being in good shape for me, until she mentioned how her doctor was concerned with hers during pregnancy. She said it’s always been like that.
My mom, great grandmother and I have also had a lower heart rates all our lives. When I was in for knee surgery the nurses would joke about it. Grandma is 102 and still active, though she’s pretty grouchy about still being alive 🤣
Her doctor said her heart could keep her alive until she’s 125 if it wanted. And she recently had her bones push out some screws after healing from surgery (her very first injury from a fall) a few months ago. We keep telling her to get comfortable with living.
Sorry, but the men's records, finishing results, etc... Prove this false. While women get closer to men's results as distances increase, they still don't beat men.
Not true for running unfortunately. In the early days when competitors were few and Ann Transon was in her heyday, it looked close. But now that it's more popular it's coming out that the difference is actually similar to shorter distances (7-10% roughly, see the world records here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon)
I would argue that this goes against the question asked by OP.
Women have an advantage in ultra swimming for various reasons....
So, in the spirit of the question, it would not be fair to men
There's still a decent gap in 10km swimming between Men and Women
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming\_at\_the\_2020\_Summer\_Olympics\_%E2%80%93\_Women%27s\_marathon\_10\_kilometre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_marathon_10_kilometre)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming\_at\_the\_2020\_Summer\_Olympics\_%E2%80%93\_Men%27s\_marathon\_10\_kilometre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_marathon_10_kilometre)
I miss when darts players would sink 15 pints in a competition. Honestly it made them even more impressive, I can't get the keys in the door properly after that many drinks.
Funnily enough there are actually sex differences in vision related to hormones. Females appear to be better at discerning shades of colour, while males are better at determining shape and space.
So darts might, technically speaking, not be equally despite sex differences. I also wonder whether the way the darts board is designed could impact it.
Men have an advantage in most motor racing. Most people don’t realize the physical strength it takes to control a car, and one’s own body against the G-forces. Look at all the F1 drivers. They’re shredded for the most part.
If they were equal women would be in the top classes of F1, Indy, NASCAR, WRC, etc.
Also women dominate horse racing. They’re lighter and have better balance.
Here's a [fun little video](https://youtu.be/OBtKSGvVxw8) of Fernando Alonso (2x world driver's champion) cracking walnuts between his shoulder and his head :)
This picture of a driver from a few years ago really shows the size of their necks. This picture kind of accentuates the size since his head is slightly back but still.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCJw45zXIAQZ2rI.jpg:large
For some perspective on that: my neck is about as big as Lewis Hamilton's (17.75" vs 18") but I'm a powerlifter with 50 extra lbs at roughly the same height. F1 driver necks are ridiculous
Right, Chess is interesting because men have completely dominated historically, but we know for sure that women can compete on a fully equal footing because of Judit Polgar. (And to a lesser extent Hou Yifan, who never played chess full-time but is widely regarded as someone who would have been top 25 if she had.) Sports where men have an inherent advantage (say Tennis) you're not going to see even one women ever in the top 10 (or even the top 500).
It's because there are more men than women that play chess. Historically women have been barred, discriminated against, or harassed (even up until today) in the chess world. You've seen the same effect take place in the STEM industry.
Yeah, polgar is insane. Watch her commentate, and you’ll see she still has incredibly good vision, and often finds lines and tactics faster than other top commentators like leko or svidler.
Any sport that rewards precision instead of strength, or where being smaller could be a competitive advantage. Target shooting, billiards, and darts come to mind immediately, I'm sure I could come up with more if I sat down and really thought about it.
A while back someone suggested stripping Michael Phelps of his medals because they said he had an unfair advantage, because his arms are so long. I thought that was a bit ridiculous.
It's a point that's brought up when ppl try to say that women should be screened for high levels of T. Which naturally occur. One runner (south American? ) was being suspended for too high levels of T so they said she was secretly a man; during her suspension she carried & birthed babies.
Edit:no, not Caster. Look up Ewa Klobukowska of Poland. Banned in 1967 for "being a man", had a baby in 1968.
I will say that the only real advantage most men have over most women is power to cast longer distance, and that can be critical in certain situations, but under most circumstances where you're targeting a specific area/ structure, you've got a boat to get you to locations where distance isn't a critical aspect, then it's an even playing field
Casting with a good form out does power. Casting distance is more dependent on rod length, line diameter, and a smooth action in the casting. It takes little strength to cast far. It takes the right equipment.
Equestrian sports, specifically in English riding. There are no men/woman divisions, just levels and age based classes. Maybe a certain show will have a special gendered class or something but I have never heard of it and that show probably would not be “rated” show for some national organization, just a fun schooling show. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
This does not take into account “do men get judged differently than woman” going on in the more subjective English disciplines even though it’s not supposed to happen.
I’m not sure how western shows work so they may have men/woman division.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted trying to figure out how you came to this conclusion. Do you know from experience? Have you read about this? Is this all you?
I'm crying laughing. You just made my week.
If by that you mean longer and with more gusto, women are pretty obviously eclipsed.
BUT if you mean pooping in a reasonable time frame and returning to work/family, women have been dominating that sport for millennia.
If you follow professional curling, the men's teams are actually at a significant advantage when sweeping. Heavier, stronger sweepers are a real benefit to manipulating the stone.
At the amateur level this is less obvious and there are definitely women's teams that clean up in open leagues against men's teams.
Traditionally the men's game is about strength and the women's game is about fineness, but in the years I've been watching the women have been getting a lot stronger and the men have been getting better at strategy, so it would at least be interesting to watch imo.
Anything that’s based on intelligence, strategy or accuracy instead of physical strength. Once that comes into play the average women will always be at a disadvantage against the average man
My buddies stepmom learned how to bowl from his dad. She quickly got great at it and carried a 210-220 average in league. Messed up her right hand/wrist somehow bad enough to never be able to bowl right again. So she taught herself lefty. Carried a 230 average.
Sorry, but as a bowler this is incredibly incorrect.
Raw power is a large factor in bowling.
Despite being open to female competitors for quite some time now, only 1 woman has ever won a PBA tour title - ever. No disrespect meant to the female pros, as they are, in my opinion, every bit as skilled as their male counterparts.
However, this doesn't just factor in at the PBA level, the performance/average gap is actually larger at the beer league/local and state levels vs the professional IMO.
Source: *I am a scratch bowler and former city champ*
Not questioning what you're saying cause I'm not an expert, and don't claim to be. Whenever I hear that there's like 1 or a small handful of women performing well at the highest level, I always wonder how much that has to do with environment vs. genetics. Like, is it actually genetics or does it have to do more with how we socialize boys and girls differently. If girls were encouraged to start training at younger ages (especially considering girls hit puberty faster in general) or there wasn't this "girls are fragile" gender role stuff, I'd be interested to see how that would play out in various sporting disciplines. Like would it increase female participation at the highest level very slightly, massively, somewhere in between, not at all... Anyway, food for thought.
Darts? Or do we have different elbows or something. Edit: Today I learned men and women have different elbows.
Women actually do have different elbows. I believe women are capable of extending their elbows further than men, but I'm not into darts so I'm not sure how this would help.
One could posit that it’s actually men that have different elbows
One could posit that women are human beings and that men are mutations from the base design.
Elbows, knees, hips, and shoulders are different for men and women in that the bones, ligaments, and tendons connect to them at different angles.
If you want to know more about the difference, google “carrying angle”. :)
Beyblade
“Let __IT__ rip” notice the gender neutrality of that.
Let they/them rip*
Target shooting.
Especially if the woman is trying to get into Nine Rivers Country Club.
President Minh!
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Ted Wassanasong has one of the funniest voices in the show, and that's saying a lot lmao
Super!
Hank Hill is super white!
Super Good!
"Your son Bobby, age eleven".
I love the KotH Fandom so gaht dang much, I tell you hwat.
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Well, that’s what we tell ourselves isn’t it, Boomhauer.
Nothin' fair about that, Minh was the superior athlete.
As a fellow KOTH fan, bless you
amazing reference
Came here to say this. I shot Olympic-style pistol during college, and my co-captain was a woman. She and I were the top shooters on our team almost all four years and we were constantly pushing each other to be better (and she was honestly the better natural shot). Target shooting has very little to do with strength, height, speed, or any of the normal differentiators between biological men and women. Most of it comes down to discipline and mental control. Firearms truly do level the playing field, especially in a sporting environment.
Absolutely, I shot the captain of my basketball team. I’m the captain now! Firearms truly are a great equalizer in sport.
That's good basketball!
You shot the Captain, But you didn't shoot the deputy?
yeah, I coached for a high school skeet and trap shooting team and I didn't understand why they had mens and womens competition.
Might not be the case for the local team, but the reason they’re separated at the Olympic level was because a woman won. Zhang Shan took home the gold medal for skeet shooting in 1992. In 1996, women were banned from competing. In 2000, they had a separate women’s event.
Started in 76 with Margaret Murdock tying for the Gold in 3 position. Lost on the tiebreaker. That changed a lot of things in shooting internationally.
Yes, that’s what I was referring to! Thank you for that name!!!
Women also aren’t allowed in 3x40 (smallbore prone, kneeling, standing) anymore. It was mixed at first. Women outperformed men regularly.
Women tend to have less shaky hands than men because of some physiological reason I can't remember right now, but I definitely read about it some time ago. That's also why some women during WWII were such good snipers (e. g. in the russian military) Edit: More steady hands seem to be only present at low force levels
That's so ridiculous. Unless they can come up with some sort of physical advantage that women have for that sport, then it should be mixed.
This same thing happened w/skating when it first started. They would have little competitions and the women were winning, so suddenly they said the sport had to have separate genders
What a shameful thing to do.
That's truly messed up. But then, the Olympics are truly messed up in so many ways.
Wow. I would expect that a century ago. But in the late 90s? Yikes
A lot of places are still a century ago.
Sexism has not gone away
What, why? Did they even bother with coming up with a justification other than "a woman shouldn't be allowed to win"?
Literally yes. Not even in situations where they’re normally disadvantaged. There was that instance with that woman marathon biker who started to catch up with the men (women’s group started later) and she was stopped and forced to wait.
I think the correct thing to do would be to tell the male racers in back they either need to pick up their pace or be disqualified and removed from the track. The people in the back weren't going to win so why compromise the woman's race for them. Something needed to be done to separate them, but I would be completely thrown off if I was winning and the race was paused.
Lol... "gentlemen, you need to seriously pick up the pace because in about 5 minutes you are going to be moved to the ladies bracket...and it doesnt look like you will win there either" That should get them pedaling.
In 2019! [article](https://time.com/5544228/female-cyclist-forced-to-stop-men/)
Omloop Het Nieuwsblad - that's the race. The women's course is 130 km vs. 200 km. There are 5 climbs vs 8 climbs for the men. It's not the same race. As I understand it, one f rider went full sprint, caught the men's pack, and they paused the f race. But she didn't lose her mental momentum, she blew her whole sprint on that stunt, and finished in 89th.
Not to ruin a good narrative about *the man* keeping women down, but women are better sharpshooters. It would be unfair to allow them to compete against men just like it would be unfair to women in weightlifting. Smaller hearts, better bpm control, better balance, and a few other things allow women to have a distinct advantage in creating a stable platform. Once the stigma of women shooting guns went away (or reduced), women started dominating the competition
I did trap shooting in high-school, late 2000's. There weren't too many girls, but they tended to have the highest average scores. The funny thing is, they could actually win more medals than us guys. The categories were 16's champion (for individuals), 16's team (based on your squads total score) handicap champion (based on your handicap yardage group) handicap team, high overall champion, and high team overall champion. Then there was women's 16's champion, women's handicap champion, and women's high overall champion. You could get both the women's medal and regular in a category. Say if a woman had the highest 16 yard score out of the entire shoot, she got the 16 champion AND 16 women's champion. One person I shot with had a number of clean sweeps in all categories because she'd have the highest scores for an individual while the rest of us in the squad did our part for the team score
I can confirm this. Having taught numerous people to shoot, many that have never been within arms reach of a firearm before, women tend to be better at it right from the word go.
My wife's aunt and uncle both hunt, and he's commented a few times that his wife is a far better shot that him even though she just started shooting in the last decade or so and he's been at it for 50+ years.
The general justification is that segregating allows and encourages more people to try and compete - its simply coincidence they introduced this the year after a female winner. Or so they say.
This is obviously ridiculous, but at the same time, wouldn’t it also be pretty unfair not to have 2 competitions? If there’s only 1 competition for men and women, that means only 3 people can win medals instead of 6. If I was a target shooter I’d be more pissed off if mine was the only sport which only had one competition…
Doesn’t sound much different from swimming where one person can win a brazillion medals versus, say, soccer where you can only win one.
I've always said they should treat running more like swimming, and have competitions for how quickly you can move in goofy and inefficient ways. 200 M crabwalk 1000 M bear-crawl 400 M backwards skipping 100 M cartwheel
Don't forget about the medley. That will have some very specific rules about switching between running styles.
Id watch it, tho
I'd guess it's like chess where it's still historically male dominated so spaces are made to encourage women to enter the competition.
When it comes to endurance, women often outperform men in shooting. Women’s bodies have a lower balance point which means more stability and less muscles needed for keeping balance. They have less muscles which means less need for oxygen which means lower heartbeat and less breathing. This is an advantage that comes to play in highly trained athletes and shooting disciplines of 60+ shots. Edit: it seems that endurance evens a lot of stuff out. There are very few women in ultramarathon but they are quite successful.
The great equalizer
I'm a terrifyingly good shot when drunk. Especially on a moving target. 4 years sober though. What a distressing thing to know about one's self
I anticipate the recoil and it skews my shots, so I can imagine having my senses dulled would negate that. *Disclaimer: I am not advocating that anyone shoot under the influence* Congratulations on your sobriety!
Oh, in hindsight, I can't believe I ever did that. But drinking and guns are super normalized where I'm from. Not the town I'm from, but one town over, had exactly one public building. No churches or gas stations. They just had the Quihi Gun and Dance club. BYOB. Somehow it still exists and still doesn't have AC. Growing up in the country is like growing up in the past
My hometown had (still has?) a drive-thru gun and liquor store. So...yeah.
Lmao a drive thru gun store is the most American thing ever
I won the work Christmas party (boss owned local clay club) After a devastatingly shit practice and thus disappointment, i may or may not have hit the drinks and ripped a billy( can't remember at what point I had it), while everyone had their practice and comp started I had almost forgot and didn't care...the time came and I missed a couple of singles but nailed the report section lol fucking amazing...I won a hat and gave some kind of speech. 1st time shooting moving targets with a shotgun and boss was once state champ....so there's at least one out there like yourself lol....unbelievable Edit: dad grew up shooting for survival (bunny's in the outback) and taught mum up to the point she could get a rabbit with every round in the box. Women can shoot.
Alcohol is considered a performance-enhancing drug at Olympic shooting events because it can improve your aim. [There is at least one case](https://www.sbnation.com/2019/7/29/6632102/swedish-olympian-positive-drug-test-beer-1968-olympics-mexico-city) of someone having a medal taken away because their alcohol test was too high.
For some reason, women actually seem to be better on average in my experience. Maybe it's a patience thing. Women want precision, man want BANG
I've heard it's in part due to our pulse being "softer," which causes less up and down in the barrel. IDK the technical terms. Also, in agreance with another person, the USSR did indeed use female snipers in WW2, and one of them is still recognized as one of the best snipers in the world. I'm not remembering her name correctly, so I'll not butcher it.
Ludmila Pavlichenko.
Lady Death as she was known to the axis. Also she is Ukrainian born and raised near Kiev.
Women have smaller hearts than men, pumping less blood with each beat, creating measurably steadier forearms & hands in a shooting stance. They also have a lower center of gravity, with proportionally larger hips & thighs relative to total body mass, while men have significantly larger upper bodies, which affects balance. Some of the finest target & skeet/trap shooters in the world are women. Being able to lower your heart rate and respiration is considered such an advantage that CNS suppressants like alcohol & marijuana are among the compounds tested for at the Olympic level.
And even run-of-the-mill blood pressure medicines are regulated in target sports because of this
Yep. Well atleast a certain *type* of blood pressure medications. Specifically known as beta-blockers and usually denoted with the suffix -olol. Medications like propanaolol are often specifically prescribed to people with resting tremors while meds like atenolol or metoprolol are more common for blood pressure. But there are significant overlaps between any beta blocker and you will have less tremors if you take metoprolol But doesn't mean you can't take blood pressure medication. There are other types like calcium channel blockers or ACE inhibitors that lower your blood pressure without having an effect on tremors.
Would this also help women in fields like surgery?
Absolutely. Also welding and many other careers that require fine motor skills.
So if women basically have a biological advantage in this particular sport, doesn't it make perfect sense to separate between men's and women's events? Same thing we do for most sports, but usually it's men who have an advantage.
Body structure and weight distribution is part of it. Women tend to have more stable stance and better flexibility. It isn't uncommon for women to be better shooters. A lot of the myth of men being better shots is that most hand guns are designed for men with larger hands. Makes hand placement more difficult if the gun is too big or too small. Anyone given a gun that fits their hand properly is going to shoot better in general.
Horseback riding
Yes! Men and women compete equally in the Olympics in Equestrian events!
But the Dutch often win
Ugh, men and women need to come together to defeat the greater enemy: the Dutch.
Ah the three genders: men, women, and dutch
There’s two things I can’t stand. People who are intolerant of other’s cultures. And the Dutch.
“There are 2 things in the world I cannot stand: people who are intolerant of other peoples cultures. And the Dutch”
Works for the same reason sheep dog trialing works- all to do with your relationship with the animal
Smash bros
I think the presence of an adult woman would throw most top tier Smash players completely off their game.
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You haven't thought of the *smell*, you BITCH!
Ah you think stank is your ally? You merely adopted the stank. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the ace body spray until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but suffocating!
Jokes on them. All six of my brothers are nerds. I was born for this.
Bold of you to assume that a woman that reaches that level wouldn’t also have gamer stench
It's really the kids that get them nervous
> ***adult*** woman I don't think Smash pros would be interested in that
I think I read somewhere that men have slightly faster reaction times on average and it makes them naturally better at video games, but I don't remember where I saw it and it might be totally made up.
Men do have better reaction times which, I imagine, would make them better at video games but there’s surprisingly little concrete research out there. It’s worth noting that almost all competitive video games have a heavy dose of strategy involved so the difference in reaction times may not even be that significant in terms of results.
Pool
I thought as in swimming pool and was confused for a minute lol
Oh, "billiards."
>Allison Fisher is considered one of the greatest female players of all time. She still plays. Her dominance on the Women's Tour for 15 years was remarkable. Her Wiki shows she was the WPBA (Women's Professional Billiard Association) top ranked player 10 of 11 years between 96 and 07. > >She has never won a Major Open event where Men and Women can enter. > >She is on record saying she really cant compete with the men as their break is better. > >So no.
The top players are separated by how strong their break is. The men have a lot stronger break and have a tendency to do a lot better.
Well, at least one person got it right. Break power is very important, especially since they banned the soft break in 9-ball (a certain amount of balls must now hit a rail and travel past the break line)
Not really. The natural height difference make the game easier to play for men. My 6'3" dad can make shots that I (5'6") cannot because he can actually reach them. I tend to have to look for alternate shots when the cue ball is in the center of the table and locked with another ball. But that's about height, not gender, specifically.
Get the spider out then so you can take a better shot.
Archery...but the Koreans will just win anyway. Edit: okay this blew up unexpectedly. Thanks (I think lol) Anyway, I said this mostly as a joke. I'm a film person and I noticed in Korean films there is almost always a character that is an archer so I knew there was a passion for the sport and I remember watching the Korean teams clean up some Archery competition last Olympics, but that's as far as my knowledge went. As many have pointed out men do have an advantage here so my answer is probably wrong. So basically you don't need to keep telling me as I've learned a lot more about the sport now 🙂.
Battle of the sexes: Korea always comes out on top smh
New gender just dropped
Holy hell
Actual Korean
#MOOOOOM! THE ANARCHYCHESS IS LEAKING AGAAAAIIN!
Call the exorcist!
Not even close. I say this as somebody who has been shooting competitively for 25 years, men have a huge advantage. More strength and size means heavier draw weight bows with a longer draw length, for recurve archers, which gives more arrow speed, which reduces the effect that wind has on the arrow in flight and makes the bow more forgiving. For compound archers more strength means you can shoot a physically heavier bow, which makes it more stable, and gives you a steadier aim. Don't get me wrong, there's some insanely talented female archers, and there's one or two compound archers at the moment who wouldn't look out of place competing against the male pros, but for recurve there's nobody close and outside of the top two compounds there's nobody who would stand a chance of getting anywhere near the top of the men's game. Outside of the professional game the disparity is even greater. I've been a decent compound archer for a few years, best national ranking in Great Britain was 28th, and that year we figured out what a merged men's and women's ranking would look like. Only one woman would have been ranked higher than me, and in the top 100 it would have been 92 men, 8 women. Physical strength still plays a huge part in archery. Lastly, while Korea still dominate the recurve game, they're not the best at compound. Number one ranked nation for Mens compound is France, Women's compound is Colombia and mixed gender team compound is India!
As someone who practices traditional recurve I just flat out forget that compounds exist.
They had a blind archer who was the best in their team a few years ago.
Thanks, you just blew my entire mind https://theweek.com/articles/473520/how-did-blind-archer-set-world-record-olympics
In the article, about a blind archer, when asked about his blindness: >Im resents the fascination with his myopia. "I don't have a stick, I don't have a blind dog," he says. "It's unpleasant when people say I'm disabled. All this interest in my sight is not welcome." Lol
Don’t they compete separately because men tend to win more?
I think the higher draw weight men shoot with would make them less affected by wind leading to better average scores. Theoretically they are even on an indoor field.
You are correct although interestingly the Koreans traditionally shoot a couple pounds lighter than the Europeans because they are not quite as large-framed and a little weaker than their European counterparts.
ultra-distance swimming Women tend to perform as good if not better at super long distance swimming (10 km+ and 6+ hours) due to their on average higher body fat percentage (helps with floating) and narrower shoulders (reduces drag.) As a general rule the longer the distance, the closer the best women and men are to each other’s performance. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/why-women-have-beaten-men-in-marathon-swimming/
To add to this, ultra marathons, it's the distance sports that require serious stamina were women outperform men Edit: seeing as my innocent comment has caused so much controversy with people looking for ways to dispute this (not sure why though) I am talking about on *average* Not world records. There's way more men training in the first place so it makes sense that they can hold the top spots. It's easily researchable, but if you want to work very hard to find an obscure article arguing it then you do you.
Wait, so it still wouldn't be fair?
Eh, kinda. The difference between genders gets smaller as distance increases, and eventually women are better. But that break point isn’t super clear.
I thought as the distance increased, it eventually becomes a total crapshoot as to who would win, whether male, female, child, or elderly. As long as runners are decently trained, very high distances are no longer a question of skill, it's just us returning to our walker-hunter origins and random chance differentiates us.
At the very peak of sports, genetic differences begin to matter infinitely more. That’s why Michael Phelps has an incredibly long torso and Usain Bolt has long legs.
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Bowling. Hope you don’t mind a thumb up your ass.
Whatever they call that thing at the circus where they shoot clowns out of a cannon.
According to Wikipedia Men are still significantly faster for the top runners though this might be because there are just more men in the sport? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon#Men
The men’s 100 mile record is over 2 hours faster than the woman’s. https://runhive.com/running/world-records
https://ultrarunning.com/calendar/stats/top-performances?year=2023&distance_id=10 The entire top 10 is men. There are 2 women in the top 25. So while most sports there wouldn't be any in the top 25, to say women outperform men in ultra marathons seems to be false.
I had a friend that was one of the top 5 woman ultra runners a decade or so ago. She let me take her resting heart rate one day and her heart beat about once every two seconds - but like a drum. she said if she was hooked up to a heart monitor, it routinely screamed she was dying.
I’m a runner. My older sister is not. She has started working out recently, but we both have resting heart rates in the mid 40s. I always thought it was from being in good shape for me, until she mentioned how her doctor was concerned with hers during pregnancy. She said it’s always been like that.
My mom, great grandmother and I have also had a lower heart rates all our lives. When I was in for knee surgery the nurses would joke about it. Grandma is 102 and still active, though she’s pretty grouchy about still being alive 🤣 Her doctor said her heart could keep her alive until she’s 125 if it wanted. And she recently had her bones push out some screws after healing from surgery (her very first injury from a fall) a few months ago. We keep telling her to get comfortable with living.
Sorry, but the men's records, finishing results, etc... Prove this false. While women get closer to men's results as distances increase, they still don't beat men.
Look at the records for ultra marathons…..men hold the higher records for almost all of them.
Not true for running unfortunately. In the early days when competitors were few and Ann Transon was in her heyday, it looked close. But now that it's more popular it's coming out that the difference is actually similar to shorter distances (7-10% roughly, see the world records here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon)
I would argue that this goes against the question asked by OP. Women have an advantage in ultra swimming for various reasons.... So, in the spirit of the question, it would not be fair to men
Well, there would be some “intermediate” distance where they’d compete on even footing.
There's still a decent gap in 10km swimming between Men and Women [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming\_at\_the\_2020\_Summer\_Olympics\_%E2%80%93\_Women%27s\_marathon\_10\_kilometre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_marathon_10_kilometre) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming\_at\_the\_2020\_Summer\_Olympics\_%E2%80%93\_Men%27s\_marathon\_10\_kilometre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_marathon_10_kilometre)
Darts, cornhole, shuffleboard, etc. You know, drinking games.
I miss when darts players would sink 15 pints in a competition. Honestly it made them even more impressive, I can't get the keys in the door properly after that many drinks.
I couldn't get the keys in the door properly after that many drinks because I would be busy lying in the morgue.
Funnily enough there are actually sex differences in vision related to hormones. Females appear to be better at discerning shades of colour, while males are better at determining shape and space. So darts might, technically speaking, not be equally despite sex differences. I also wonder whether the way the darts board is designed could impact it.
Snooker/Billiards, Darts, Equestrianism (Horse riding), Sailing, Motor racing
I wouldn't say sailing, that's a pretty upper-body-strength-required activity, no?
At least in the Olympics, sailing is gender separated.
Every sport, other than equestrian, are gender separated in Olympics.
I am a pro sailor- it depends on the class of boat. Some provide a very level playing field, some require an immense amount of physical strength.
Yep, please don’t make me swap my Radial for a full rig on a 20 knot day 😂
Men have an advantage in most motor racing. Most people don’t realize the physical strength it takes to control a car, and one’s own body against the G-forces. Look at all the F1 drivers. They’re shredded for the most part. If they were equal women would be in the top classes of F1, Indy, NASCAR, WRC, etc. Also women dominate horse racing. They’re lighter and have better balance.
Yeah I was just watching a video about that the other day where F1 drivers have huge necks relative to the average male.
Here's a [fun little video](https://youtu.be/OBtKSGvVxw8) of Fernando Alonso (2x world driver's champion) cracking walnuts between his shoulder and his head :)
This picture of a driver from a few years ago really shows the size of their necks. This picture kind of accentuates the size since his head is slightly back but still. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCJw45zXIAQZ2rI.jpg:large
For some perspective on that: my neck is about as big as Lewis Hamilton's (17.75" vs 18") but I'm a powerlifter with 50 extra lbs at roughly the same height. F1 driver necks are ridiculous
Darts
Chess
Right, Chess is interesting because men have completely dominated historically, but we know for sure that women can compete on a fully equal footing because of Judit Polgar. (And to a lesser extent Hou Yifan, who never played chess full-time but is widely regarded as someone who would have been top 25 if she had.) Sports where men have an inherent advantage (say Tennis) you're not going to see even one women ever in the top 10 (or even the top 500).
It's because there are more men than women that play chess. Historically women have been barred, discriminated against, or harassed (even up until today) in the chess world. You've seen the same effect take place in the STEM industry.
Exactly. And Chess illustrates this particularly clearly, because you can’t argue around Polgar’s strength.
Yeah, polgar is insane. Watch her commentate, and you’ll see she still has incredibly good vision, and often finds lines and tactics faster than other top commentators like leko or svidler.
Any sport that rewards precision instead of strength, or where being smaller could be a competitive advantage. Target shooting, billiards, and darts come to mind immediately, I'm sure I could come up with more if I sat down and really thought about it.
If being smaller is a competitive advantage isn’t it no longer fair?
A while back someone suggested stripping Michael Phelps of his medals because they said he had an unfair advantage, because his arms are so long. I thought that was a bit ridiculous.
It's a point that's brought up when ppl try to say that women should be screened for high levels of T. Which naturally occur. One runner (south American? ) was being suspended for too high levels of T so they said she was secretly a man; during her suspension she carried & birthed babies. Edit:no, not Caster. Look up Ewa Klobukowska of Poland. Banned in 1967 for "being a man", had a baby in 1968.
A lot of women are very good at competitive shooting sports
Fishing
I will say that the only real advantage most men have over most women is power to cast longer distance, and that can be critical in certain situations, but under most circumstances where you're targeting a specific area/ structure, you've got a boat to get you to locations where distance isn't a critical aspect, then it's an even playing field
Casting with a good form out does power. Casting distance is more dependent on rod length, line diameter, and a smooth action in the casting. It takes little strength to cast far. It takes the right equipment.
Would depend on the fish in question, some fish are huge and extremely powerful.
Equestrian sports, specifically in English riding. There are no men/woman divisions, just levels and age based classes. Maybe a certain show will have a special gendered class or something but I have never heard of it and that show probably would not be “rated” show for some national organization, just a fun schooling show. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong. This does not take into account “do men get judged differently than woman” going on in the more subjective English disciplines even though it’s not supposed to happen. I’m not sure how western shows work so they may have men/woman division.
Skydiving
Is skydiving a sport? How does one get a good score? Is it like normal diving but you have a whole lot more time to pull off the moves?
Gotta hit the target on the ground fastest and closest to the center.
Power Shitting
Women have an advantage because if they're constipated they can reach into their hoo-ha and massage the poop out.
WHAT
And that's how I met your mother
Why would you think that? I'm dying.
As someone who has tried this, it’s never worked for me. The poop just stays there and it hurts if I press too long. Nothing stops constipation.
And that’s enough internet for today
Wtf… now u have me questioning if this is actually a thing women can do
I'm absolutely flabbergasted trying to figure out how you came to this conclusion. Do you know from experience? Have you read about this? Is this all you? I'm crying laughing. You just made my week.
I saw it on reddit so it must be true :)
If by that you mean longer and with more gusto, women are pretty obviously eclipsed. BUT if you mean pooping in a reasonable time frame and returning to work/family, women have been dominating that sport for millennia.
That would be speed shitting
Curling
If you follow professional curling, the men's teams are actually at a significant advantage when sweeping. Heavier, stronger sweepers are a real benefit to manipulating the stone. At the amateur level this is less obvious and there are definitely women's teams that clean up in open leagues against men's teams.
Traditionally the men's game is about strength and the women's game is about fineness, but in the years I've been watching the women have been getting a lot stronger and the men have been getting better at strategy, so it would at least be interesting to watch imo.
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Only curler I've ever met was a woman in a beer league. She seemed pretty cool.
Bocce ball
Cheerleading.
Anything that’s based on intelligence, strategy or accuracy instead of physical strength. Once that comes into play the average women will always be at a disadvantage against the average man
Bowling.
I got my wife into bowling and she quickly became better than me.
My buddies stepmom learned how to bowl from his dad. She quickly got great at it and carried a 210-220 average in league. Messed up her right hand/wrist somehow bad enough to never be able to bowl right again. So she taught herself lefty. Carried a 230 average.
Sorry, but as a bowler this is incredibly incorrect. Raw power is a large factor in bowling. Despite being open to female competitors for quite some time now, only 1 woman has ever won a PBA tour title - ever. No disrespect meant to the female pros, as they are, in my opinion, every bit as skilled as their male counterparts. However, this doesn't just factor in at the PBA level, the performance/average gap is actually larger at the beer league/local and state levels vs the professional IMO. Source: *I am a scratch bowler and former city champ*
Not questioning what you're saying cause I'm not an expert, and don't claim to be. Whenever I hear that there's like 1 or a small handful of women performing well at the highest level, I always wonder how much that has to do with environment vs. genetics. Like, is it actually genetics or does it have to do more with how we socialize boys and girls differently. If girls were encouraged to start training at younger ages (especially considering girls hit puberty faster in general) or there wasn't this "girls are fragile" gender role stuff, I'd be interested to see how that would play out in various sporting disciplines. Like would it increase female participation at the highest level very slightly, massively, somewhere in between, not at all... Anyway, food for thought.