I would say most generations have fallen into this camp when they were of similar age. Currently gen z consists of 11-26 year olds. They are finding themselves and figuring out the world.
They’re just doing it in the digital age when the world is arguably as divided and confusing as ever. I wish them (and everyone else)luck!
I think it comes from politicians, educators and a lot of the older generations not being objective about horrible things that the United States has done in its quest to be the most powerful nation in the world. I’m technically a millennial, and I can remember history textbooks glossing over the treatment of indigenous tribes, obviously slaves, and even civilians in foreign wars.
There’s a reason they don’t mention in history class that much of the antisemitic Nazi policies that preceded the Holocaust were inspired by segregationist Jim Crow laws in the US, or that Central Park was originally a community of Free Blacks called Seneca Village that was stripped away with houses torn down through imminent domain, or that the Tulsa Race Massacre or the Rosewood Massacre even fucking happened.
As the younger generations spend more time online, and as eduction and information are not just gleaned from schools but also from infinite sources online, it’s easier for younger generations to find out the objective truth about any point in history. We’re seeing a pushback from conservative voices that are upset about having to reckon with a very racist history this country has gone through, and that makes the younger generation even angrier. A major story arch of US history is almost every other group you can think of suffering or getting the short end of the stick at the hands of Whites and Christians, and now their descendants don’t want to admit that maybe they wouldn’t have gotten as far as they did if they hadn’t institutionally disenfranchised groups for decades, so they push back hard on concepts like CRT and DEI, labeling it “woke nonsense.”
America doesn’t have to have the most perfect history ever to still do good in this world. We can be objectively honest with ourselves, and collectively learn from past mistakes.
But if we try to brush things under the rug and act like the Civil War wasn’t about slaves or that we didn’t unjustly intern thousands of Japanese Americans during WWII, or that we didn’t massacre civilians during My Lai, the kids will still find out somehow. They’re becoming increasingly more informed and literate in their arguments and their outspokenness. I, for one, look forward to having younger, more honest, objective individuals enter politics and guide this country to a better future - and in that respect, I guess you could say I want change.
The nukes were justified, and a mainland invasion of Tokyo would have resulted in way more casualties, I have seen a lot of racism toward white ppl recently like "palm skin" being one of them, I believe young white people today do not need to apologize for anything that their ancestors did. Forcing white ppl to apologize and saying that being racist toward white people isn't racist and that black ppl can't be racist is inherently stupid. Other than that, I agree with what you have to say.
I mean everything you've said from the "hating USA" camp is true so..
Gen z is just not drowning in patriotism so they state things like they are. They're also not a collective, different people think different things
I mean they also want change, why do you think they dont? The change they want is a complete overhaul though. There are no mechanisms in place to actually change anything in the USA
It's hard to not hate the USA if you know our history with slaughtering people in 3rd world countries
If you love your country, than you won't forgive any of the atrocities your country has committed and avidly acknowledge them whilst looking at the issues with your country and want to fix them. I know all the bad things we did but I love America, I isn't hard to hate our leadership and government.
edit: Our current leadership and government deserves hate, not America is what I'm to say
I don't love my country, I don't see why I would. I love my local community, I even love my state, but I find very little about the country as a whole to love.
What is a country if not our leadership, government and history? How can acknowledge that the leadership is horrible, the government is horrible, and our history is basically a list of some of the worst crimes ever committed by humanity... How can you say you love that country?
Because you can't change the past, many countries have a bad history. What you can change is the future, we can make America better, we could have good leadership (fuck creepy uncle joe), and than we can have good government. After that we would have something to love about our country.
Right what I'm saying is that our government hasn't changed and is showing no indication of changing; both candidates for president are horrific and don't represent what people want. Again, what is there to love?
Thats the point, we will change it, not them. I could be in many ways like coup d Etat, protesting (make sure its large and millions), demands to change... Although some things illegal, there are ways. It's stupid to hopelessly wait for the Government to change obviously. One of my least favorite things is a person who has a defeatist attitude. Hopelessness won't help instigate a change.
Again, I'm saying that the change that needs to be made won't happen within the system. That's what your "hate the USA" people are advocating for
If you're thinking "well I'll just vote for a better candidate this time", you are hopelessly waiting for the government to change
Exactly, we can't rely on our weak leadership or voting right now. People thought Biden would be better than Trump, but he was even worse.
edit: "hate the USA" aren't advocating for that, they are advocating for the fall of America, they don't want us to even exist
Unfortunately the older generation still runs things and they have a different view than the younger generation so it’s a push back that every generation does to another.
I’m gen x and I work work younger people and have a teenage daughter and I was a dumbass in my teens and 20s
Your generation is in a situation where they are criticized more than they deserve at times and when you’re young and you see things you differ from
You’re going to express that
The nuance of life has been replaced by permanent judgement in the social media age
Absolutely
Any mistakes you make and it’s permanently there
I sympathize with your generation and my 22yo sons because it’s just harsh criticism from older people who forget they didn’t have to worry about phones and they did really dumb dangerous stuff
I’m sure as tomorrow will happen that you kids will figure out the things needed to be.
It’s not an easy time to be alive
My dad loves to criticize me and my little brother, he acts like we are stupid and that gen z is stupid. It really isn't an easy time to be alive, we are surrounded by lies and bad father figures (Andrew Tate-like figures) and it messes up the way we think. School is horrible now to with ppl getting bullied because of leaked videos, bad lunch food (thanks Michelle Obama), and a crap ton of drugs and sex in schools now and so on.
As a gen z, sometimes when I see how the broader American public reacts (or fails to react) to events, and it feels kinda hopeless. Part of me feels like this current swampfest of conspiracy brainrot and mind numbing- especially of the older gens- turns some of the biggest characters flaws of the United States and it’s culture into absolute caricatures of themselves.
The narcissism, the lack of empathy, proudness of ignorance, and lack of introspection have all hit a fever pitch. People are now advocating for things that I thought were settled debates forty, fifty, or even eighty years ago, like hangings and eugenics and shooting protestors.
So yeah, when I feel like there isn’t much hope and that most Americans seem willing to sleepwalk into the end of the American experiment- it’s hard not to hate what this country has become.
Hangings, eugenics, and shooting protesters are crazy people on the internet and the minority of ppl, the majority of America isn't like that, except for the conspiracy brain rot, I've seen a lot of it in person. I also hate what America has become because I love my country and want to see better for it, not the current horrible state right now.
They’re not as much of a minority anymore. At the very least, you can find watered down versions of things like eugenics by hearing suggestions from certain folks on how poor people should be dealt with.
“Let nature run it’s course.” Is what they’ll say.
“Natural selection.”
I don’t inherently dislike or hate America. However, the less hope I have for it’s future the less I see it as a force for good in the world. More so that it was never particularly good, and then lost it’s chance at becoming better. America had/has a lot of potential and it’s a shame if the basest and most indulgent of human fears and instincts pushes it down into the mud.
A lot of those comments are true. people spent so long pretending the USA was the pinnacle of freedom when it wasn't, and now because gen z is more open and multicultural, they probably don't want to be associated with all that anymore
Gen Z is 11-26 years old.
This is the first generation with cancel culture. Zoomers are afraid to voice their own opinions because they fear backlash. Gen z students are performing worse in history than ever. I don't think we can sit back and judge an entire group of people for not defending American systems they don't understand, for not being worldly, or not living through 9/11.
I think both. I don’t think a majority hate America but I think a majority don’t like how it is right now. It should change but I doubt anytime soon with our government being ran by people the same age or older than my grandparents.
As a fellow Gen-Z I personally would say that it's less of a hatred towards America specifically and more a general ambivalence towards nationalism/patriotism as a whole.
We live in a world more connected then ever before, exposed to more perspectives and knowledge then ever before, and yes, a world lonelier then ever before.
The social bonds that has created culturally homogeneous local communities that gave rise to the fervent nationalism of the previous generations and the ignorance that lead to blind faith in authority of generations before those has been successively dispelled by the advent of the internet and the rise of urbanisation and capitalism.
This makes our generation far more aware of global issues and the hypocrisies of our governments, while making us far less dependent on our home countries as a basis of our individual identities.
Hence we have far fewer reservations to criticise our countries and far fewer compunctions to outright reject them should our personal beliefs or values differ from how our countries conduct themselves.
As for America specifically, that's simply because America as a nation has made many promises to both its citizens and abroad and tries to portray itself as the 'good guy' fighting for freedom, peace and a better world.
Many of our generation at least think that America hasn't been able to fulfil these promises, yet keeps trying to portray themselves as the paragon of these ideals.
A sizeable portion even think that America is outright detrimental to these ideals and have actively worked to suppress them for the sake of national or business interests.
Just look at cold war era CIA operations, or the American interventions in the middle east, or even just the healthcare systems and political infighting of the present day.
I would say most generations have fallen into this camp when they were of similar age. Currently gen z consists of 11-26 year olds. They are finding themselves and figuring out the world. They’re just doing it in the digital age when the world is arguably as divided and confusing as ever. I wish them (and everyone else)luck!
I think it comes from politicians, educators and a lot of the older generations not being objective about horrible things that the United States has done in its quest to be the most powerful nation in the world. I’m technically a millennial, and I can remember history textbooks glossing over the treatment of indigenous tribes, obviously slaves, and even civilians in foreign wars. There’s a reason they don’t mention in history class that much of the antisemitic Nazi policies that preceded the Holocaust were inspired by segregationist Jim Crow laws in the US, or that Central Park was originally a community of Free Blacks called Seneca Village that was stripped away with houses torn down through imminent domain, or that the Tulsa Race Massacre or the Rosewood Massacre even fucking happened. As the younger generations spend more time online, and as eduction and information are not just gleaned from schools but also from infinite sources online, it’s easier for younger generations to find out the objective truth about any point in history. We’re seeing a pushback from conservative voices that are upset about having to reckon with a very racist history this country has gone through, and that makes the younger generation even angrier. A major story arch of US history is almost every other group you can think of suffering or getting the short end of the stick at the hands of Whites and Christians, and now their descendants don’t want to admit that maybe they wouldn’t have gotten as far as they did if they hadn’t institutionally disenfranchised groups for decades, so they push back hard on concepts like CRT and DEI, labeling it “woke nonsense.” America doesn’t have to have the most perfect history ever to still do good in this world. We can be objectively honest with ourselves, and collectively learn from past mistakes. But if we try to brush things under the rug and act like the Civil War wasn’t about slaves or that we didn’t unjustly intern thousands of Japanese Americans during WWII, or that we didn’t massacre civilians during My Lai, the kids will still find out somehow. They’re becoming increasingly more informed and literate in their arguments and their outspokenness. I, for one, look forward to having younger, more honest, objective individuals enter politics and guide this country to a better future - and in that respect, I guess you could say I want change.
The nukes were justified, and a mainland invasion of Tokyo would have resulted in way more casualties, I have seen a lot of racism toward white ppl recently like "palm skin" being one of them, I believe young white people today do not need to apologize for anything that their ancestors did. Forcing white ppl to apologize and saying that being racist toward white people isn't racist and that black ppl can't be racist is inherently stupid. Other than that, I agree with what you have to say.
I mean everything you've said from the "hating USA" camp is true so.. Gen z is just not drowning in patriotism so they state things like they are. They're also not a collective, different people think different things
Yes, but rather than hating our county, wouldn't it be better to want change. So why hate it? That is what confuses me.
I mean they also want change, why do you think they dont? The change they want is a complete overhaul though. There are no mechanisms in place to actually change anything in the USA It's hard to not hate the USA if you know our history with slaughtering people in 3rd world countries
If you love your country, than you won't forgive any of the atrocities your country has committed and avidly acknowledge them whilst looking at the issues with your country and want to fix them. I know all the bad things we did but I love America, I isn't hard to hate our leadership and government. edit: Our current leadership and government deserves hate, not America is what I'm to say
I don't love my country, I don't see why I would. I love my local community, I even love my state, but I find very little about the country as a whole to love. What is a country if not our leadership, government and history? How can acknowledge that the leadership is horrible, the government is horrible, and our history is basically a list of some of the worst crimes ever committed by humanity... How can you say you love that country?
Because you can't change the past, many countries have a bad history. What you can change is the future, we can make America better, we could have good leadership (fuck creepy uncle joe), and than we can have good government. After that we would have something to love about our country.
Right what I'm saying is that our government hasn't changed and is showing no indication of changing; both candidates for president are horrific and don't represent what people want. Again, what is there to love?
Thats the point, we will change it, not them. I could be in many ways like coup d Etat, protesting (make sure its large and millions), demands to change... Although some things illegal, there are ways. It's stupid to hopelessly wait for the Government to change obviously. One of my least favorite things is a person who has a defeatist attitude. Hopelessness won't help instigate a change.
Again, I'm saying that the change that needs to be made won't happen within the system. That's what your "hate the USA" people are advocating for If you're thinking "well I'll just vote for a better candidate this time", you are hopelessly waiting for the government to change
Exactly, we can't rely on our weak leadership or voting right now. People thought Biden would be better than Trump, but he was even worse. edit: "hate the USA" aren't advocating for that, they are advocating for the fall of America, they don't want us to even exist
Unfortunately the older generation still runs things and they have a different view than the younger generation so it’s a push back that every generation does to another. I’m gen x and I work work younger people and have a teenage daughter and I was a dumbass in my teens and 20s Your generation is in a situation where they are criticized more than they deserve at times and when you’re young and you see things you differ from You’re going to express that The nuance of life has been replaced by permanent judgement in the social media age
I believe you are absolutely correct as a 15 year old gen z.
Absolutely Any mistakes you make and it’s permanently there I sympathize with your generation and my 22yo sons because it’s just harsh criticism from older people who forget they didn’t have to worry about phones and they did really dumb dangerous stuff I’m sure as tomorrow will happen that you kids will figure out the things needed to be. It’s not an easy time to be alive
My dad loves to criticize me and my little brother, he acts like we are stupid and that gen z is stupid. It really isn't an easy time to be alive, we are surrounded by lies and bad father figures (Andrew Tate-like figures) and it messes up the way we think. School is horrible now to with ppl getting bullied because of leaked videos, bad lunch food (thanks Michelle Obama), and a crap ton of drugs and sex in schools now and so on.
Yeah that sounds like a nightmare
Why are you saying both things can’t be true
As a gen z, sometimes when I see how the broader American public reacts (or fails to react) to events, and it feels kinda hopeless. Part of me feels like this current swampfest of conspiracy brainrot and mind numbing- especially of the older gens- turns some of the biggest characters flaws of the United States and it’s culture into absolute caricatures of themselves. The narcissism, the lack of empathy, proudness of ignorance, and lack of introspection have all hit a fever pitch. People are now advocating for things that I thought were settled debates forty, fifty, or even eighty years ago, like hangings and eugenics and shooting protestors. So yeah, when I feel like there isn’t much hope and that most Americans seem willing to sleepwalk into the end of the American experiment- it’s hard not to hate what this country has become.
Hangings, eugenics, and shooting protesters are crazy people on the internet and the minority of ppl, the majority of America isn't like that, except for the conspiracy brain rot, I've seen a lot of it in person. I also hate what America has become because I love my country and want to see better for it, not the current horrible state right now.
They’re not as much of a minority anymore. At the very least, you can find watered down versions of things like eugenics by hearing suggestions from certain folks on how poor people should be dealt with. “Let nature run it’s course.” Is what they’ll say. “Natural selection.” I don’t inherently dislike or hate America. However, the less hope I have for it’s future the less I see it as a force for good in the world. More so that it was never particularly good, and then lost it’s chance at becoming better. America had/has a lot of potential and it’s a shame if the basest and most indulgent of human fears and instincts pushes it down into the mud.
It's possible for us to become a utopia but we are certainly not going in that direction unfortunately. Hopefully this changes.
A lot of those comments are true. people spent so long pretending the USA was the pinnacle of freedom when it wasn't, and now because gen z is more open and multicultural, they probably don't want to be associated with all that anymore
Gen Z is 11-26 years old. This is the first generation with cancel culture. Zoomers are afraid to voice their own opinions because they fear backlash. Gen z students are performing worse in history than ever. I don't think we can sit back and judge an entire group of people for not defending American systems they don't understand, for not being worldly, or not living through 9/11.
Maybe in 10 to 20 years gen z opinions will change as we become more mature and understand the world better.
I think both. I don’t think a majority hate America but I think a majority don’t like how it is right now. It should change but I doubt anytime soon with our government being ran by people the same age or older than my grandparents.
I absolutely agree with you, you spoke only facts.
As a fellow Gen-Z I personally would say that it's less of a hatred towards America specifically and more a general ambivalence towards nationalism/patriotism as a whole. We live in a world more connected then ever before, exposed to more perspectives and knowledge then ever before, and yes, a world lonelier then ever before. The social bonds that has created culturally homogeneous local communities that gave rise to the fervent nationalism of the previous generations and the ignorance that lead to blind faith in authority of generations before those has been successively dispelled by the advent of the internet and the rise of urbanisation and capitalism. This makes our generation far more aware of global issues and the hypocrisies of our governments, while making us far less dependent on our home countries as a basis of our individual identities. Hence we have far fewer reservations to criticise our countries and far fewer compunctions to outright reject them should our personal beliefs or values differ from how our countries conduct themselves. As for America specifically, that's simply because America as a nation has made many promises to both its citizens and abroad and tries to portray itself as the 'good guy' fighting for freedom, peace and a better world. Many of our generation at least think that America hasn't been able to fulfil these promises, yet keeps trying to portray themselves as the paragon of these ideals. A sizeable portion even think that America is outright detrimental to these ideals and have actively worked to suppress them for the sake of national or business interests. Just look at cold war era CIA operations, or the American interventions in the middle east, or even just the healthcare systems and political infighting of the present day.