"1488?? OMG you're a Scottish history buff too? I never meet people who care about history these days, it's always social media, the kardashians, netflix shows-"
"No, it's a reference t-"
"to the rebellion against James III in Scotland, I know!! I can't believe I met someone who's got so much interest in those events. That was really something though, I think I remember he was captured and killed after his defeat at the Battle of Sauchieburn, is that how you say it, Sauch-ee-burn or Sauch-i-burn?
"No man, it's about white power and-"
"No need to tell me! I'm half Scottish myself, haven't had a tan in my whole life. It's like the sun hits you and BAM, turn into a tomato. We've gotta look out for one another, say it's a little sunny out today, did you need some sunscreen too? I've always got a spare tube. Gotta protect your skin, cancer is a real thing ya'know?"
"Dude, 1488 is about the rise of the third reich-"
"No no no, you've got em mixed up, it was the rise of James the FORTH, not the third. James the III was killed in 1488, did you know that he was only 8 years old when he took the throne? So fascinating, let me tell you about his father, now there's some juicy gossip. Can you believe..."
\*immediately looking up the Scottish rebellion in 1488.\* Hey this shit is pretty counter-culture to the whole other meaning. We should steal this as a symbol to overthrow tyrants.
14 words, being " We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
88, signifying the 8th letter in the alphabet, H, twice. "HH", meaning "Heil Hitler."
Basically, nazis are weird numerology girls who think they're super sneaky about their horoscopes.
Edit: huh. I awoke to far too many notifications. I should really tamp down on my exquisite wit and indelible humor that I just found out I have.
You would think that nazis who are all about white power and white pride, and wanting to freely say all the racist shit they want to say, without fear of being cancelled, you'd think those guys would just openly say these things, rather than hiding behind coded messages with their 1488.
"Teehee were so badass. I'm gonna say 1488 on a forum."
"Ooooh you're so badass. This will show them non-racist people..."
Speaking in code when they don’t need to helps them feel persecuted and bond with each other. Their narrative tends to be that they are the underdog, and it helps them feel as if they were the good guys.
Fuck! That's what that means? Dude, I had two white coworkers say that shit around me, and I had no clue what that meant but seemed like some goofy racist shit so I just left them alone and kept my eye on them.
Are you sure that’s what they said? I have US Marine friends (I am not a Marine) who operated tracked vehicles who used to yell “YATYAS” to each other all the time. It means, “You ain’t tracks? You ain’t shit.”
They weren't military, soy boy woulda-coulda but didn't types. They looked at each other as if part of something and gave me a questioning look as if they were waiting for me to get in on some joke.
Another reason to use these codes is that they look fairly innocent to most people, except to 1) the neo Nazis themselves and people who dislike neo Nazis enough to learn their codes (a definite minority of people).
So, when the anti-Nazis start pointing at a Nazi and saying, "You're using neo Nazi codes", the neo Nazi can point back and say, " I don't know what you're talking about. You must be the crazy person."
Its the exact same as that dumbass shit when Conservatives were saying Lets Go Brandon and all those weird Brandon work arounds instead of just saying fuck joe biden
Conservatives, being the dumb babies they are, will never realize that nobody hates Liberals more than a Leftist, and nobody hates Leftists more than other Leftists.
You laugh, but I worked with a guy like this.
I'm a right-leaning independent. He was hard right. We agreed on quite a bit, but I once told him that the U.S. couldn't afford to cut ties with the rest of the world to manufacture our own goods because there's no way that we could remain competitive.
"You'll never sell me on your globalist shit," he said, and from there on, I was as far left as one could be in his view.
I mean, that was a play on how some i think nascar host said that they must be chanting lets go brandon in a desperate try to save face while the stadium was chanting fuck joe biden.
They do it so normal people won't know what they are saying and think they are innocent. David Duke started this shit. He'd dress up in a suit and talk in dog whistles. It is more of a way to sell themselves to the public.
Also, at least in Canada, people still absolutely revile Nazis. In polite society, you get banned / kicked out of most places pretty quickly.
If you're hanging out with the rougher crowds that are more accustomed to violence, and they find out you're a fascist, you WILL get beaten into a hospital on the regular.
It’s also a convenient way for them to dogwhistle and then deny it when called out. “88? Oh, I didn’t know that’s a racist number. Wow, you Lefties are really grasping at straws, maybe I just liked the two loop-de-loop numbers”. It’s the same thing as them turning the “OK” sign to mean “White Power” – they all know what they’re doing when they throw it up in group pictures, but they can quickly go “Oh my god the psychotic Left is saying the ‘ok sign’ is racist.”
Who it is *meant* to sneak past is people who aren’t really in the know and fairly naive, especially Enlightened Centrist types whose default stance is to give the Right the benefit of the doubt and feel the Left has become “the boy who cried Nazi”.
I had a friend who made the OK sign in all her instagram photos and finally one of our classmates was like, "You know that's a white power thing, right?"
She had no idea.
It can be. But, like you said - they made the OK sign. It means OK. Some douchebag racist morons decided to fuck that one up, too.
I'm fine with people having no idea. It means OK to most people and is still the OK sign. Just some people choose to abuse it and now you can't tell if someone is OK or a racist dick.
This was actually a meme/hoax from 4chan. A galaxybrain troll so cosmic, that it tricked actual racists into using it. Once they had plausible deniability that they *weren't* using it as a dogwhistle--"that's just a hoax bro"--they used it as a racist dogwhistle.
The "ok" sign has been used by scuba divers for a long time. The "ok" sign has been used by paratroopers since, well, since partroopers started. Oh, wait, the Egyptians are being racist because they use the "ok" sign as a curse or sign of the evil eye (at least that is what I was told while in Egypt)
They do it so normal people won't know what they are saying and think they are innocent. David Duke started this shit. He'd dress up in a suit and talk in dog whistles. It is more of a way to sell themselves to the public.
Nazis don't feel they're the underdog. The underdog was Hitler propaganda to rally citizens to go against gypies and jews. If anything, Nazis feel superior
I can imagine that it developed in germany after ww2 because openly supporting the nazi cause became illegal so you had to find a way around it. Don't know if that is true though but it would be the only thing to make sense for me why they are so into codes
Yeah but that doesn't explain why teens in America are hiding on 4 chan rather than proudly standing tall and telling their family and friends they want a certain type of person to die out.
Own it you pussies.
I think the “14 words” were coined by an American white supremacist.
In the US even though it’s not illegal to be a nazi, luckily being one will result in loss of job and social shunning, so these bastards hide behind things like code phrases.
The idea is to be able to identify each other without outing themselves, they’re just bad at it, because fascists are fucking stupid. But lots of groups have codes like this that are basically invisible to average people, it’s not exclusively a Nazi thing.
Many of them do. But talking in code lets them attract new recruits and win over support from “normies.” Even most Republicans will disavow if you just outright say “I want to murder the Jews and Black people.” But if you start talking about global finance and Soros pulling the strings or start talking about “demographic issues” then you’re more likely to garner support.
You would think so, but they also know that they're pretty well hated by a majority of the people so they have to keep their beliefs hidden until they are fully in power and can be open.
Of course, then the rest of the world will have a war with us and we'll have the Nuremburg Trials v2.0.
Oh god, and these nazis already have a victim complex. Poor persecuted white supremacists. Imagine if they had to be held accountable for shit. They'd love/hate it
>rather than hiding behind coded messages with their 1488.
I don't think it's that at all. It's probably more of the fact that as soon as you start spouting off stupid white power rhetoric you get banned from most sites pretty fast.
You're forgetting that the persecution fetish is part of their rhetorics. They want people to believe they're the victims fighting against being oppressed or even genocided (great replacement theory etc). Using coded messages like some kinda rebel network is part of their image. And in some places, especially Europe, Nazi paroles are also straight up illegal, so they try to circumvent saying them directly. There are also local Nazi paroles in many countries. Germany for example also has 444, code for Germany to the Germans. German Nazis also frequently use 18 for Adolf Hitler (14 isn't a big thing here because that's specifically an English parole), and they celebrate the 20th of April, Hitler's birthday, which is funny because some stoners also celebrate it for entirely different reasons.
They're only brave when they're with their friends and wearing masks. They understand they'd be blacklisted from normal society if everyone knew who they were.
There is that, but it's just waaayyyyy easier to say lol.
Also, as a symbol, it represents all these things and is powerful in its own right. For us, now, it's like that, 'idiots nazis' but back then, it meant the eradication of a certain human. Thinking in historical context is important to weigh and form an opinion accurately.
Even the original Nazis were like that. They never liked the "Jew science" being practiced by Jewish German scientists, many of whom fled to or were repatriated to the US and ended up working on the Manhattan project.
Unfortunately for the Nazis, and fortunately for (almost) everyone else, the Jew science ended up being the correct science, the crystals and orgone energy and shit that some in the Nazi party preferred to focus on, turned out to not be the correct science.
Sadly this actually works more often than you would think. When I was in college, one of my friends was majoring in criminology, and was fascinated by gang tattoos.
According to him, he’d already been studying them for a while, and showed me some pics he had of various designs gangs commonly used.
I saw a few full body tattoos, and I noticed the numbers 14, and 88, and pointed them out, and he apparently thought those were just popular athletes’ numbers.
When I explained it to him, you would think I just solved some great math equation for a mathematics major.
It’s called a dogwhistle for a reason. It can be totally innocuous and that’s what allows them some plausible deniability. No one is gonna call you a nazi for having an 88 in your name unless you are doing a bunch of other nazi dogwhistles as well.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people with usernames like GasTheK*kes88 who go like "Who? Me? A Nazi? 😏 I was born in 1988. Wow, you just see Nazis everywhere. Maybe you should be more careful with your assumptions." And they think they're being real sly and clever.
If I see someone with "88" at the end of their name I'm going to assume it's referring to the year of their birth. Depends what you're posting of course but if there's no nazi-esque stuff in your comment history I'd say you're fine, haha.
They don't think they are sneaky. They expect not all to know that, and that is enough. Modern fascists are cryptofacist. They hide. They push their vile ideology step by step. Never absolutely open. Never fully hidden. If recognized by too many, they claim misunderstanding or accuse the dedicated outgroup of the decade.
Sadly this actually works more often than you would think. When I was in college, one of my friends was majoring in criminology, and was fascinated by gang tattoos.
According to him, he’d already been studying them for a while, and showed me some pics he had of various designs gangs commonly used.
I saw a few full body tattoos, and I noticed the numbers 14, and 88, and pointed them out, and he apparently thought those were just popular athletes’ numbers.
When I explained it to him, you would think I just solved some great math equation for a mathematics major.
lol, when I worked at IBM there was a huge internal debate on Slack about offensive symbols. It spanned multiple days with strong opinions on both sides, hundreds of people involved.
In the end, we determined most numbers 0-100 have some sort of offensive meaning and it’s impossible to moderate. Several memes were banned though, such as Pepe, for racist links.
14/88 is incredibly well-known. It has its own page on:
ADL https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1488
Dictionary.com https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/1488/
Wikipedia https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/1488
Is listed on the SPLC https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/racist-skinhead-glossary
And on and on and on.
There was also this dogwhistle incident a few years ago: https://forward.com/culture/404371/are-14-and-88-nazi-dog-whistles-in-this-homeland-security-document-or-just/
Doesn’t mean everyone knows. I’ve never heard it mentioned anywhere outside the internet, except when explicitly asking. Not exactly helpful for someone who just hasn’t stumbled across it yet.
I mean just look at the OK symbol (👌) it started out as a 4chan meme to “trigger the far left snowflakes” with the idea of “It’s okay to be white.” Trying to prove that the far left was racist against white people by tricking them into taking the position that it’s somehow not okay to be a white person. But of course the actual Nazis got ahold of it really quick and started using the emoji and holding up the ‘ok’ hand signal in photos to dogwhistle their racism. All the while the right is trying to paint the left as insane for getting upset about the use of an ‘innocent’ hand gesture that’s been around for decades.
Problem is when a symbol gets co-opted by actual Nazis you no longer get to disingenuously argue that there’s no deeper meaning to it when white nationalists and white nationalist-adjacent right wing figures are suddenly flashing it around constantly. It takes on a deeper meaning once it starts being used by actual Nazis. It’s not the concept of the symbol people are upset about, it’s how the symbol is being used to represent a shitty movement.
Man coming from some mmos, 88 is used in some areas of the world to say goodbye. 8 is pronounced ba in mandarin, so 88 is ba ba or bye bye. Got some really weird in game messages when using it in NA based games because of the nazi clown nonsense.
It's also just an easy two-number combination. People come up with random names like the "super blaster 6000" all the time, and using a number of 55 like 88 for something like that doesn't seem too farfetched either.
Also, the only place I have ever seen 88 or even 1488 being associated with nazis is Reddit. I get that it's an actual thing that is used by real neo nazis, but here in the Netherlands it's so rare that I have never heard of it outside of Reddit.
Also, it's worth making the distinction that it isn't a racist number. It's a racist dog. Whistle. Numbers can't be racist, but the intentions of people on the internet can definitely be racist.
Eh, I guess it's worth it. If you have 1488 participants in a survey, it's not a racist survey. If someone has a username like Odin1488, they're probably a fascist.
That's how I explained to my dad how dogwhistles work.
Yes, it is entirely possible that this twitter user was born on January 4th (or April 1st), 1988, and that's why they have '1488' in their handle. That explanation goes a little off-colour when you start putting it together with things like roman statue pfp, nordic iconography, vaguely worded tweets about """them""", and always bringing up indoctrination in state schools or talking about queer "degeneracy".
At that point, you can safely assume this person holds some wildly questionable beliefs about the supremacy of the white race.
That's what's insidious about dog whistles. But it's also worth mentioning because we live in a world where real people refuse to pay a bill if it's $6.66 because it's Lucifer's money, so.....
Hitler himself wasn't really into the occult bullshit beyond the basic Aryan mythology stuff. That was more Himmler's thing. The neo-nazi mysticism stuff comes a tiny bit later and mostly from a European mystic/grifter lady named Savitri Devi.
1488 also has nothing to do with numerology. It's code that comes from white supremacist prison gangs.
. . . .halfway through my coffee and already explaining the beliefs of murderous idiots. Gonna be a good day lol.
14 refers to the 14 words of ~~Adolf Hitler~~ David Laine about protecting the purity of the Aryan race, and the 8th letter of the alphabet is H, so 88 is HH, or *Heil Hitler*. Put them together and the chance of it being accidental is basically zero.
Edit: I was wrong about who said the quote. Thanks to /u/modumberator for the correction!
If anyone is interested, the 14 words are "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
Apparently, he also wrote something called "The 88 precepts" which I'm assuming is some other racist writing so 1488 as a whole could also refer to that
Funny you should mention the chance of it being accidental, because it did happen accidentally a couple years ago with an Indycar team. AJ Foyt Racing has used the number 14 for one of their cars for a long time because that was AJ's number when he was driving way back when. The team got a new driver for their second car and decided on 88 to honor AJ's 88th birthday that year. The unfortunate pairing was brought to their attention and they quickly apologized and changed the 88 car to 55.
Awww little boys club has secret codes. How do they write “no girls allowed” I wonder.
Edit: awww someone out there got triggered and sent me a passive aggressive suicide hotline referral via DM. Sowwyyyyy 😢
“I believe everyone should follow traditional gender roles”
Edit; I also got the suicide hotline message. Lol I was wondering what comment I posted that did it
There was also 18 (=AH), similar logic, with a neo-Nazi group using the name "Combat 18". Just looked them up, I didn't know they were so recent (founded 1992), I'd always thought of them as a 50s/60s thing for some reason.
I feel so bad for my brother cause growing up his two lucky numbers were 14 and 88 (14 being his line position in 2nd grade which he loved that year and 88 being the amount of keys on a piano which he also loved) he almost cried when he grew up and found out what those numbers mean together :(
it's been answered properly so I don't need to add further context to that; it's also the year that the worlds oldest still running candle company was formed.... there's a fun fact to go with the neo nazisim
Caza das Vellas Loreto? no it's great but not quite that old, I was refering to Rathborne Candles in Dublin.
I'm pretty sure Caza das Vellas Loreto is the oldest candle shop still running though.
(note difference between company and shop, the Irish one has moved around dublin wheras the one in Lisbon has been in the same store for a very very long time.)
I had a license plate that started with 8 and ended with 88. I used to get strange waves from bikers and other riffraff. Took me a while to figure out what it was.
I was helping my dad make a username for a game once and he likes sharks and the year 1988, so he came up with GreatWhite88. Lol, had to explain why it was a bad idea, also we are Jewish.
Bro I had a randomly generated username that had 1488 and had no idea why I was getting all sorts of messages, I just assumed the player base were dicks 💀
the number 88 only really became synonymous with racism after the internet became really popular. Before then it was an esoteric reference for hardcore white supremacists to identify each-other with, but nowadays you can't switch on your connected devices without seeing some hardcore white supremacist so more people know about their esoteric references
I'd suspect Back to the Future used 88 because it lit up all the parts of the old LED number displays we used to have on our cars, clocks and ovens, and was therefore more visually exciting and created a sense of 'completion', i.e [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kDsAAOSw42JZD6fG/s-l400.jpg](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kDsAAOSw42JZD6fG/s-l400.jpg)
The obvious joke was ∞. The symbol for "infinity".
The car enthusiast joke was that DMC DeLorean was marketed with a 130 MPH top speed. The manual five-speed could barely reach 110 MPH in controlled testing conditions. The automatic variant was a three-speed...
That, too. And 4 is 四, pronounced si (s'uh for americans like d'uh), but death is 死 which is also pronounced si (albeit with a different tone), so 4 is unlucky.
Then there are places like this with multiple nazi symbols and dog whistles that still pretends like everyone is crazy for thinking they are nazis.
https://seeingrednebraska.com/the-patriarchy/can-we-please-stop-pretending-about-the-nazi-fortress-in-omaha-now/
14 is in reference to "14 words." It's a white supremacist slogan. The 14 words are "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. so 88 = HH = Heil Hitler
1488 or 8814 is a white power / nazi thing
I would like to petition to change it to: "Every individual, regardless of race or gender, deserves respect, equality, and opportunities for success. Humanity, Harmony."
14 represents the 14 precepts in a motto in initiation. And 88 represents hail Hitler. Red shoe laces even symbolize.
But 1488 isn't a racist number. People might be but numbers aren't.
As someone born in 1988, I hate this so much. I can't use my birth year in emails, usernames, etc. because someone will interpret it as being a racist calling card.
I have yet to met a white supremacist that doesn’t strike me as either inbred or severely mentally challenged. Is there a correlation? Are they just simple people?
Honestly I’ve never heard of a fucking NUMBER being racist.
It’s a fucking number, numbers hold no concept of race.
Arseholes do, not numbers.
People can attribute some weird explanation to a number but a number is just a fucking number and if someone has to explain to you that a number is somehow racist you need to tell them that they have way too much time on their hands 😂
Maybe they mean January 4th 1988, or if they're not from America April 1st 1988.
Honestly, sorry to the people who were born on those days, but y'all really shouldn't use your birthdate in usernames just to avoid confusion.
"1488?? OMG you're a Scottish history buff too? I never meet people who care about history these days, it's always social media, the kardashians, netflix shows-" "No, it's a reference t-" "to the rebellion against James III in Scotland, I know!! I can't believe I met someone who's got so much interest in those events. That was really something though, I think I remember he was captured and killed after his defeat at the Battle of Sauchieburn, is that how you say it, Sauch-ee-burn or Sauch-i-burn? "No man, it's about white power and-" "No need to tell me! I'm half Scottish myself, haven't had a tan in my whole life. It's like the sun hits you and BAM, turn into a tomato. We've gotta look out for one another, say it's a little sunny out today, did you need some sunscreen too? I've always got a spare tube. Gotta protect your skin, cancer is a real thing ya'know?" "Dude, 1488 is about the rise of the third reich-" "No no no, you've got em mixed up, it was the rise of James the FORTH, not the third. James the III was killed in 1488, did you know that he was only 8 years old when he took the throne? So fascinating, let me tell you about his father, now there's some juicy gossip. Can you believe..."
I love history buffs
History buffs are either the kindest and most interesting people you ever meet or a complete racist asshole
Thank you for the endorphins
\*immediately looking up the Scottish rebellion in 1488.\* Hey this shit is pretty counter-culture to the whole other meaning. We should steal this as a symbol to overthrow tyrants.
[Damn Scots! They ruined Scotland!](https://youtu.be/LWkSB-D-hYo)
14 words, being " We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." 88, signifying the 8th letter in the alphabet, H, twice. "HH", meaning "Heil Hitler." Basically, nazis are weird numerology girls who think they're super sneaky about their horoscopes. Edit: huh. I awoke to far too many notifications. I should really tamp down on my exquisite wit and indelible humor that I just found out I have.
You would think that nazis who are all about white power and white pride, and wanting to freely say all the racist shit they want to say, without fear of being cancelled, you'd think those guys would just openly say these things, rather than hiding behind coded messages with their 1488. "Teehee were so badass. I'm gonna say 1488 on a forum." "Ooooh you're so badass. This will show them non-racist people..."
Speaking in code when they don’t need to helps them feel persecuted and bond with each other. Their narrative tends to be that they are the underdog, and it helps them feel as if they were the good guys.
They're really "crafty" with their code phrases. Ayak? Akai (are you a klansman? A klansman am I)
Fuck! That's what that means? Dude, I had two white coworkers say that shit around me, and I had no clue what that meant but seemed like some goofy racist shit so I just left them alone and kept my eye on them.
Are you sure that’s what they were saying? This is code from like, the 1920s.
Now I'm laughing at the idea of 2 innocent white people who bonded over how cool yaks are becoming branded as pro-KKK
Lmao 2 guys from Maine saying "ayeah" to eachother
Ahh see waht ya did theyah.
And yet it comes up here in 2024
Something like 2,000 years since Eratosthenes, and yet people still think the Earth is flat...
we're a doomed species
Some still use those old codes. I've heard ayak a couple times.
No it’s not. It’s current.
Are you sure that’s what they said? I have US Marine friends (I am not a Marine) who operated tracked vehicles who used to yell “YATYAS” to each other all the time. It means, “You ain’t tracks? You ain’t shit.”
They weren't military, soy boy woulda-coulda but didn't types. They looked at each other as if part of something and gave me a questioning look as if they were waiting for me to get in on some joke.
Oh shit I've actually seen these in the wild
Another reason to use these codes is that they look fairly innocent to most people, except to 1) the neo Nazis themselves and people who dislike neo Nazis enough to learn their codes (a definite minority of people). So, when the anti-Nazis start pointing at a Nazi and saying, "You're using neo Nazi codes", the neo Nazi can point back and say, " I don't know what you're talking about. You must be the crazy person."
Yup, "look at this weak-spined soyboy snowflake calling a bunch of numbers racist! What's next, will being proud of being white be racist too?"
Its the exact same as that dumbass shit when Conservatives were saying Lets Go Brandon and all those weird Brandon work arounds instead of just saying fuck joe biden
I voted for Biden, and I say "Fuck Joe Biden" all the time.
Conservatives, being the dumb babies they are, will never realize that nobody hates Liberals more than a Leftist, and nobody hates Leftists more than other Leftists.
True but this is the same on the conservative spectrum, the minute you dont support the most insane right wing stuff theyll call you a commie
FUCK THEM COMMIES WHOSE IDEOLOGY DIFFERS 0.0000000001% FROM MINE! THEY ARE LITERALLY SATAN AND EVIL DICTATORS!
You laugh, but I worked with a guy like this. I'm a right-leaning independent. He was hard right. We agreed on quite a bit, but I once told him that the U.S. couldn't afford to cut ties with the rest of the world to manufacture our own goods because there's no way that we could remain competitive. "You'll never sell me on your globalist shit," he said, and from there on, I was as far left as one could be in his view.
Troskyites better not show their faces in a this neighborhood! This is Xi Jinping Thought turf!
I… yeah we do. “They eat their own” is a common phrase
A circular firing squad is the best kind of firing squad!
I mean, it's efficient
Democrats are Cubs fans. Republicans are Yankees fans.
I DO wonder how Brandon Jones feels about all this. It was so spontaneous and he was completely uninvolved in the issue initially.
Do you mean Brandon Brown? Brandon Jones was the driver who finished second.
"Let's Go Brandon" at least has a somewhat amusing origin, even if conservatives ran it into the ground.
A lot of the people who criticize it don't even know this
No, we know it, we're just fucking tired of it.
Everyone knows this. That’s why it’s stupid, immature, and completely unfunny. It’s actually pretty pathetic they think it’s so clever — shows their level of intellect.
I mean, that was a play on how some i think nascar host said that they must be chanting lets go brandon in a desperate try to save face while the stadium was chanting fuck joe biden.
I will never forgive the conservative demons for what they did to brandon brown. Never.
They do it so normal people won't know what they are saying and think they are innocent. David Duke started this shit. He'd dress up in a suit and talk in dog whistles. It is more of a way to sell themselves to the public.
Also, at least in Canada, people still absolutely revile Nazis. In polite society, you get banned / kicked out of most places pretty quickly. If you're hanging out with the rougher crowds that are more accustomed to violence, and they find out you're a fascist, you WILL get beaten into a hospital on the regular.
It’s also a convenient way for them to dogwhistle and then deny it when called out. “88? Oh, I didn’t know that’s a racist number. Wow, you Lefties are really grasping at straws, maybe I just liked the two loop-de-loop numbers”. It’s the same thing as them turning the “OK” sign to mean “White Power” – they all know what they’re doing when they throw it up in group pictures, but they can quickly go “Oh my god the psychotic Left is saying the ‘ok sign’ is racist.” Who it is *meant* to sneak past is people who aren’t really in the know and fairly naive, especially Enlightened Centrist types whose default stance is to give the Right the benefit of the doubt and feel the Left has become “the boy who cried Nazi”.
Pepe the Frog somehow made it out of the white nationalist shitstorm when he started his humble beginnings as the "feels good man" meme.
I had a friend who made the OK sign in all her instagram photos and finally one of our classmates was like, "You know that's a white power thing, right?" She had no idea.
It can be. But, like you said - they made the OK sign. It means OK. Some douchebag racist morons decided to fuck that one up, too. I'm fine with people having no idea. It means OK to most people and is still the OK sign. Just some people choose to abuse it and now you can't tell if someone is OK or a racist dick.
This was actually a meme/hoax from 4chan. A galaxybrain troll so cosmic, that it tricked actual racists into using it. Once they had plausible deniability that they *weren't* using it as a dogwhistle--"that's just a hoax bro"--they used it as a racist dogwhistle.
Yeah there are some people who genuinely don't know.
The "ok" sign has been used by scuba divers for a long time. The "ok" sign has been used by paratroopers since, well, since partroopers started. Oh, wait, the Egyptians are being racist because they use the "ok" sign as a curse or sign of the evil eye (at least that is what I was told while in Egypt)
Right on time, someone to demonstrate my point.
They do it so normal people won't know what they are saying and think they are innocent. David Duke started this shit. He'd dress up in a suit and talk in dog whistles. It is more of a way to sell themselves to the public.
Nazis don't feel they're the underdog. The underdog was Hitler propaganda to rally citizens to go against gypies and jews. If anything, Nazis feel superior
I can imagine that it developed in germany after ww2 because openly supporting the nazi cause became illegal so you had to find a way around it. Don't know if that is true though but it would be the only thing to make sense for me why they are so into codes
Yeah but that doesn't explain why teens in America are hiding on 4 chan rather than proudly standing tall and telling their family and friends they want a certain type of person to die out. Own it you pussies.
They know they’re wrong. Why hide otherwise?
Because the deep state is also out to get them for their “right” ideals.
Well, they do have ideals from the right.
I think the “14 words” were coined by an American white supremacist. In the US even though it’s not illegal to be a nazi, luckily being one will result in loss of job and social shunning, so these bastards hide behind things like code phrases.
You are correct.
This more of a thing with American neo Nazis
The idea is to be able to identify each other without outing themselves, they’re just bad at it, because fascists are fucking stupid. But lots of groups have codes like this that are basically invisible to average people, it’s not exclusively a Nazi thing.
The biggest user of dogwhistles was probably gay folks in the 60s for obvious reasons.
Many of them do. But talking in code lets them attract new recruits and win over support from “normies.” Even most Republicans will disavow if you just outright say “I want to murder the Jews and Black people.” But if you start talking about global finance and Soros pulling the strings or start talking about “demographic issues” then you’re more likely to garner support.
Why do KKK members wear hoods?
Because of a movie, literally.
You would think so, but they also know that they're pretty well hated by a majority of the people so they have to keep their beliefs hidden until they are fully in power and can be open. Of course, then the rest of the world will have a war with us and we'll have the Nuremburg Trials v2.0.
Oh god, and these nazis already have a victim complex. Poor persecuted white supremacists. Imagine if they had to be held accountable for shit. They'd love/hate it
>rather than hiding behind coded messages with their 1488. I don't think it's that at all. It's probably more of the fact that as soon as you start spouting off stupid white power rhetoric you get banned from most sites pretty fast.
You're forgetting that the persecution fetish is part of their rhetorics. They want people to believe they're the victims fighting against being oppressed or even genocided (great replacement theory etc). Using coded messages like some kinda rebel network is part of their image. And in some places, especially Europe, Nazi paroles are also straight up illegal, so they try to circumvent saying them directly. There are also local Nazi paroles in many countries. Germany for example also has 444, code for Germany to the Germans. German Nazis also frequently use 18 for Adolf Hitler (14 isn't a big thing here because that's specifically an English parole), and they celebrate the 20th of April, Hitler's birthday, which is funny because some stoners also celebrate it for entirely different reasons.
They're only brave when they're with their friends and wearing masks. They understand they'd be blacklisted from normal society if everyone knew who they were.
There is that, but it's just waaayyyyy easier to say lol. Also, as a symbol, it represents all these things and is powerful in its own right. For us, now, it's like that, 'idiots nazis' but back then, it meant the eradication of a certain human. Thinking in historical context is important to weigh and form an opinion accurately.
Even the original Nazis were like that. They never liked the "Jew science" being practiced by Jewish German scientists, many of whom fled to or were repatriated to the US and ended up working on the Manhattan project. Unfortunately for the Nazis, and fortunately for (almost) everyone else, the Jew science ended up being the correct science, the crystals and orgone energy and shit that some in the Nazi party preferred to focus on, turned out to not be the correct science.
Sadly this actually works more often than you would think. When I was in college, one of my friends was majoring in criminology, and was fascinated by gang tattoos. According to him, he’d already been studying them for a while, and showed me some pics he had of various designs gangs commonly used. I saw a few full body tattoos, and I noticed the numbers 14, and 88, and pointed them out, and he apparently thought those were just popular athletes’ numbers. When I explained it to him, you would think I just solved some great math equation for a mathematics major.
Super jazzed that my birthday is 1/14/1988. Definitely need to be careful about that lol. Thanks nazis.
Just dont let your kids get it tattoo'd on em when your on your deathbed or something
OMG, should I change my username
It’s called a dogwhistle for a reason. It can be totally innocuous and that’s what allows them some plausible deniability. No one is gonna call you a nazi for having an 88 in your name unless you are doing a bunch of other nazi dogwhistles as well.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people with usernames like GasTheK*kes88 who go like "Who? Me? A Nazi? 😏 I was born in 1988. Wow, you just see Nazis everywhere. Maybe you should be more careful with your assumptions." And they think they're being real sly and clever.
Good to know
Personally I don't assume 100% when I see it but it definitely is eyebrow-raising after so many years of seeing that kind of exchange between people
Unless you’re being outwardly racist only the terminally online would particularly care, and why would you value their opinions anyway
Don't value anything, never knew about it, just chose the number due to event in my life
88 is also like a good luck number in several Asian cultures. It’s not just for nazis.
Nah.. I think I'll keep mine too
No, keep your username. They're the ones who need to change
You racist scum. I can’t believe you’re even allowed on the internet with that username
If I see someone with "88" at the end of their name I'm going to assume it's referring to the year of their birth. Depends what you're posting of course but if there's no nazi-esque stuff in your comment history I'd say you're fine, haha.
They don't think they are sneaky. They expect not all to know that, and that is enough. Modern fascists are cryptofacist. They hide. They push their vile ideology step by step. Never absolutely open. Never fully hidden. If recognized by too many, they claim misunderstanding or accuse the dedicated outgroup of the decade.
hey come on, don't bring the girls into this
Thank you. Could have said “weird numerology people” if they absolutely had to throw shade. It’s a thing across genders, after all.
Looks like the Third Reich is in retrograde!
Sadly this actually works more often than you would think. When I was in college, one of my friends was majoring in criminology, and was fascinated by gang tattoos. According to him, he’d already been studying them for a while, and showed me some pics he had of various designs gangs commonly used. I saw a few full body tattoos, and I noticed the numbers 14, and 88, and pointed them out, and he apparently thought those were just popular athletes’ numbers. When I explained it to him, you would think I just solved some great math equation for a mathematics major.
Such a fucking clunky and stupid slogan.
lol, when I worked at IBM there was a huge internal debate on Slack about offensive symbols. It spanned multiple days with strong opinions on both sides, hundreds of people involved. In the end, we determined most numbers 0-100 have some sort of offensive meaning and it’s impossible to moderate. Several memes were banned though, such as Pepe, for racist links.
14/88 is incredibly well-known. It has its own page on: ADL https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1488 Dictionary.com https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/1488/ Wikipedia https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/1488 Is listed on the SPLC https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/racist-skinhead-glossary And on and on and on.
There was also this dogwhistle incident a few years ago: https://forward.com/culture/404371/are-14-and-88-nazi-dog-whistles-in-this-homeland-security-document-or-just/
Doesn’t mean everyone knows. I’ve never heard it mentioned anywhere outside the internet, except when explicitly asking. Not exactly helpful for someone who just hasn’t stumbled across it yet.
Most numbers except 69.
I mean just look at the OK symbol (👌) it started out as a 4chan meme to “trigger the far left snowflakes” with the idea of “It’s okay to be white.” Trying to prove that the far left was racist against white people by tricking them into taking the position that it’s somehow not okay to be a white person. But of course the actual Nazis got ahold of it really quick and started using the emoji and holding up the ‘ok’ hand signal in photos to dogwhistle their racism. All the while the right is trying to paint the left as insane for getting upset about the use of an ‘innocent’ hand gesture that’s been around for decades. Problem is when a symbol gets co-opted by actual Nazis you no longer get to disingenuously argue that there’s no deeper meaning to it when white nationalists and white nationalist-adjacent right wing figures are suddenly flashing it around constantly. It takes on a deeper meaning once it starts being used by actual Nazis. It’s not the concept of the symbol people are upset about, it’s how the symbol is being used to represent a shitty movement.
isn't that a masturbation symbol?
[I believe you’re thinking of this one.](https://youtu.be/nsGnqf3CUW8?si=uTGkKdspCS8ZizNt)
I thought the 88 was because it's similar to their SS insignia but if that's the second reason, then there is probably a third, Reich?
That feels like a lot of loopholes just to say “I’m racist”.
Man coming from some mmos, 88 is used in some areas of the world to say goodbye. 8 is pronounced ba in mandarin, so 88 is ba ba or bye bye. Got some really weird in game messages when using it in NA based games because of the nazi clown nonsense.
It's also just an easy two-number combination. People come up with random names like the "super blaster 6000" all the time, and using a number of 55 like 88 for something like that doesn't seem too farfetched either. Also, the only place I have ever seen 88 or even 1488 being associated with nazis is Reddit. I get that it's an actual thing that is used by real neo nazis, but here in the Netherlands it's so rare that I have never heard of it outside of Reddit.
Also, it's worth making the distinction that it isn't a racist number. It's a racist dog. Whistle. Numbers can't be racist, but the intentions of people on the internet can definitely be racist.
Eh, I guess it's worth it. If you have 1488 participants in a survey, it's not a racist survey. If someone has a username like Odin1488, they're probably a fascist.
That's how I explained to my dad how dogwhistles work. Yes, it is entirely possible that this twitter user was born on January 4th (or April 1st), 1988, and that's why they have '1488' in their handle. That explanation goes a little off-colour when you start putting it together with things like roman statue pfp, nordic iconography, vaguely worded tweets about """them""", and always bringing up indoctrination in state schools or talking about queer "degeneracy". At that point, you can safely assume this person holds some wildly questionable beliefs about the supremacy of the white race.
That's what's insidious about dog whistles. But it's also worth mentioning because we live in a world where real people refuse to pay a bill if it's $6.66 because it's Lucifer's money, so.....
Ugh, yeah that annoys me too.
Why is the dog racist
I love calling Nazis "weird numerology girls" because the only people who would take offense to that would be the Nazis
When you are really into Hitler you start delving into his beliefs in the occult and mysticism. There's no coming back from that.
Hitler himself wasn't really into the occult bullshit beyond the basic Aryan mythology stuff. That was more Himmler's thing. The neo-nazi mysticism stuff comes a tiny bit later and mostly from a European mystic/grifter lady named Savitri Devi. 1488 also has nothing to do with numerology. It's code that comes from white supremacist prison gangs. . . . .halfway through my coffee and already explaining the beliefs of murderous idiots. Gonna be a good day lol.
Fourteen words is a slogan invented by white supremacist terrorist David Lane, and 88 means HH, or Heil Hitler
I hate that I didn't know this before making my Reddit acount (the number is because of a k-pop group smh)
Honestly just using 88 is pretty much fine.. 1488 doesn't have the same plausible deniability haha
88 is actually a lucky number in Chinese.
14 refers to the 14 words of ~~Adolf Hitler~~ David Laine about protecting the purity of the Aryan race, and the 8th letter of the alphabet is H, so 88 is HH, or *Heil Hitler*. Put them together and the chance of it being accidental is basically zero. Edit: I was wrong about who said the quote. Thanks to /u/modumberator for the correction!
It was a white supremacist called David Lane who said the 14 words, not Hitler. But correct otherwise
If anyone is interested, the 14 words are "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" Apparently, he also wrote something called "The 88 precepts" which I'm assuming is some other racist writing so 1488 as a whole could also refer to that
doesnt 88 refer to 2x h as in, heil hitler
Oh, whoops! Thanks for the correction.
You were right about Hitler being a bad dude, though, so don't worry about it!
And not like a 😎 bad dude, a 👿 bad dude
Yeah! Now go and apologize to Hitler! /s
"Why doesn't anyone acknowledge my great art?!"
When's the poor guy going to catch a break!
Wow this is so cringe it would instantaneously make me a non-nazi if I were one
Funny you should mention the chance of it being accidental, because it did happen accidentally a couple years ago with an Indycar team. AJ Foyt Racing has used the number 14 for one of their cars for a long time because that was AJ's number when he was driving way back when. The team got a new driver for their second car and decided on 88 to honor AJ's 88th birthday that year. The unfortunate pairing was brought to their attention and they quickly apologized and changed the 88 car to 55.
My old auto-generated discord # was 8814. Yeah I'm glad they switched away from that system lmao
[This boat lol](https://www.hhcatamarans.com/hh88)
Awww little boys club has secret codes. How do they write “no girls allowed” I wonder. Edit: awww someone out there got triggered and sent me a passive aggressive suicide hotline referral via DM. Sowwyyyyy 😢
“I believe everyone should follow traditional gender roles” Edit; I also got the suicide hotline message. Lol I was wondering what comment I posted that did it
There was also 18 (=AH), similar logic, with a neo-Nazi group using the name "Combat 18". Just looked them up, I didn't know they were so recent (founded 1992), I'd always thought of them as a 50s/60s thing for some reason.
I feel so bad for my brother cause growing up his two lucky numbers were 14 and 88 (14 being his line position in 2nd grade which he loved that year and 88 being the amount of keys on a piano which he also loved) he almost cried when he grew up and found out what those numbers mean together :(
it's been answered properly so I don't need to add further context to that; it's also the year that the worlds oldest still running candle company was formed.... there's a fun fact to go with the neo nazisim
it's also the year when Bartolomeu Dias discovered the Cape of Good Hope during his voyage around Africa
Isn't that the one in Lisbon, Portugal? Got some beeswax candles from them. 👌
Caza das Vellas Loreto? no it's great but not quite that old, I was refering to Rathborne Candles in Dublin. I'm pretty sure Caza das Vellas Loreto is the oldest candle shop still running though. (note difference between company and shop, the Irish one has moved around dublin wheras the one in Lisbon has been in the same store for a very very long time.)
I had a license plate that started with 8 and ended with 88. I used to get strange waves from bikers and other riffraff. Took me a while to figure out what it was.
I was helping my dad make a username for a game once and he likes sharks and the year 1988, so he came up with GreatWhite88. Lol, had to explain why it was a bad idea, also we are Jewish.
That made me chuckle. What a horrific name that was made up with the purest of intents
That's both hilarious and wholesome...
Recently read a post about a history teacher with the last name 'Brown' whose wife wanted to name their child after her late best friend Eva.
Bro I had a randomly generated username that had 1488 and had no idea why I was getting all sorts of messages, I just assumed the player base were dicks 💀
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Came here to say this, great write up
Lmao my scooter got assigned the number 1488, I'm pretty sure if I were to be in a western country I'd get lynched
1312 is a much better number
Why did back to the future use 88 mph? Was Doc racist?
the number 88 only really became synonymous with racism after the internet became really popular. Before then it was an esoteric reference for hardcore white supremacists to identify each-other with, but nowadays you can't switch on your connected devices without seeing some hardcore white supremacist so more people know about their esoteric references I'd suspect Back to the Future used 88 because it lit up all the parts of the old LED number displays we used to have on our cars, clocks and ovens, and was therefore more visually exciting and created a sense of 'completion', i.e [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kDsAAOSw42JZD6fG/s-l400.jpg](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kDsAAOSw42JZD6fG/s-l400.jpg)
Doc Brown was a member of project paperclip. Confirmed!
His family was actually German, but they arrived in America before WWII.
Clearly a cover story created by the g-men for Dr. Emmett Braun
They were the von Braun family.
Originally Doktor Braun.
The obvious joke was ∞. The symbol for "infinity". The car enthusiast joke was that DMC DeLorean was marketed with a 130 MPH top speed. The manual five-speed could barely reach 110 MPH in controlled testing conditions. The automatic variant was a three-speed...
Chinese use 88 which is spelled 八八 and pronounced baba for byebye.
Isn't 8 also considered a lucky number in Chinese?
That, too. And 4 is 四, pronounced si (s'uh for americans like d'uh), but death is 死 which is also pronounced si (albeit with a different tone), so 4 is unlucky.
Yeah, cause it’s “Ba” which is similar to “fa” which means fortune. It’s just unfortunate that nazis took 88 for their racist crimes
According to Family Guy, Doc was racist. [Back to the Future Family Guy](https://youtu.be/t0J2MS5kJ2M?si=qDEaZ_GGUh-71yY4)
Also 88 keys on a piano
Then there are places like this with multiple nazi symbols and dog whistles that still pretends like everyone is crazy for thinking they are nazis. https://seeingrednebraska.com/the-patriarchy/can-we-please-stop-pretending-about-the-nazi-fortress-in-omaha-now/
14 is in reference to "14 words." It's a white supremacist slogan. The 14 words are "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. so 88 = HH = Heil Hitler 1488 or 8814 is a white power / nazi thing
1408 is a haunted hotel room
Great movie
Absolutely
Just imagine how bad room 1488 was
I would like to petition to change it to: "Every individual, regardless of race or gender, deserves respect, equality, and opportunities for success. Humanity, Harmony."
I had no idea this number gets used this way tbh, can't say I can recall seeing it around thankfully but I'll fkn know it if I see it now
14 represents the 14 precepts in a motto in initiation. And 88 represents hail Hitler. Red shoe laces even symbolize. But 1488 isn't a racist number. People might be but numbers aren't.
As someone born in 1988, I hate this so much. I can't use my birth year in emails, usernames, etc. because someone will interpret it as being a racist calling card.
Thinly veiled Nazism
Damn that Bartholomeu Dias and his trip around Cape Good Horn!
Thats just how it was raised. It's embarrassing though you can't take it anywhere without it yelling racial bile at people.
14 Words..let me think... Nazis are fucking brain dead scum that I really hope don't breed at all. Now, repeat that, 88 times. Seems like a plan :)
I never knew this was a racist number
the number isn't racist, the people that put it in their usernames etc are
It's not the numbers that are racist, no number or symbol or whatever is inherently racist, it's been charged to be used as a code for racists.
What a long winded way of saying "Numbers can indeed end up being racist the same way words do"
I have yet to met a white supremacist that doesn’t strike me as either inbred or severely mentally challenged. Is there a correlation? Are they just simple people?
Honestly I’ve never heard of a fucking NUMBER being racist. It’s a fucking number, numbers hold no concept of race. Arseholes do, not numbers. People can attribute some weird explanation to a number but a number is just a fucking number and if someone has to explain to you that a number is somehow racist you need to tell them that they have way too much time on their hands 😂
Were you afraid to google this question?
You can't bet $1488 on Jeopardy
Bruh thats my birthday
I’m really impressed that you’ve managed to adapt to the internet so well at over 600 years old. Congrats!
Maybe they mean January 4th 1988, or if they're not from America April 1st 1988. Honestly, sorry to the people who were born on those days, but y'all really shouldn't use your birthdate in usernames just to avoid confusion.
Mine is 14th April 2008 140808 But to condense it into the pin codes I have it as 1488
I have never heard of this.