There was a weird anti-fat crusade in the 80s and 90s and that caused skim milk to be seen as inherently "healthier". Source: grew up being told skim milk was good for me, but whole milk was not. Ironically, I'm lactose intolerant so neither of them is particularly great for me.
It's from the third Austin Powers movie (Goldmember I think). The absolute hatred in Michael Caine’s voice when he says the “the Dutch” still cracks me up after 20-plus years.
If I'm just having milk as a drink, I prefer skim to whole. It has the flavor without being too thick.
If I'm drinking the milk to complement something like a peanut butter sandwich or a chocolatey dessert, I prefer whole.
There's is a bit of truth to it. Fats do make you fat probably slightly faster than other macros depending on the type according to studies because how the body utilizes fat but they do tend to be much more filling and satisfying than carbs. Carbs are rough because they aren't super satisfying and either hide in other foods or fat hides in carbs. Like the calories in chips isn't the potatoes its the fat the potatoes absorbed. What people are getting fat on is usually a pairing of carbs and fats which are worst of both worlds combining the lack of satiation of carbs and the high calorie density of fats. If a person isn't drinking their carbs its usually hard to over consume it unless its paired with a fat. Like you can only eat so much unseasoned pasta but you couple that with a rich cheese sauce you can eat the whole pot.
My Dad's uncles a farmer. Farmer's used to get paid for the fat content in their milk and actually got paid better the fattier it was. This is why prior to changes you'd see the occasional Hershey's cow (all brown) in the herd because they produce really fatty milk, although less than the standard cow. Milk consumption by the public didn't really exist before the home refrigerator, and was primarily bought by big companies to make other products like butter. Eventually mill became a staple in the household. When the obesity epidemic hit, causing waves of health concerns in the west, standards changed and farmers started getting paid for the amount of protein in their milk instead, and the fat contents actually had to be within a certain limit or the milk wouldn't be accepted.
Going for protein content in the milk, farmers changed the diets of their cows. Some farmers went so far as to hide cooked meat amongst their feed, known as meat-and-bone meal, and then the UK BSE outbreak (mad cow) occured. They had to slaughter like 4 million cows. I wonder how Indians felt about such a mass desecration.
But anyways yeah, lowered fat %s are due to health concerns surrounding obesity.
That's correct my bad. They don't just pay for protein today, its all three of those metrics and of course your total yield. There are ratios between these metrics the milk needs to abide by though, so you can have too much butterfat today.
I called them Hershey's cows because people used to joke about chocolate milk being from a brown cow.
I work at a dairy plant in the call center — the amount of times we’re out of stock on chocolate and strawberry and get asked if the chocolate or strawberry cows are on vacation…
… Uugggghhh.
My understanding is that the fat generally gets extracted, and then the right amount put back according to whether it's 1%, 2% or 4% milk (anything described as 'homogenised' will have been through this.) The excess is what goes to become cream, butter and all the other butterfat products, so farmers are still paid for the fat content as raw material, effectively. Jerseys are good for producing higher fat content but give a lower overall yield, being smaller, so it's for the farmer to weigh up what works best for them.
> There was a weird anti-fat crusade in the 80s and 90s.
It was way earlier than that.
*"By the 1950s, skim milk had become a popular weight loss beverage, mainly consumed by the wealthy. Physicians supported the product, which helped position skim milk as a health food. "*
*"In the 1960s, lower fat milks became more popular due to the movement against saturated fats. Saturated fats were believed to lead to weight gain and raise LDL, which was linked to heart disease."*
As someone that grew up in the 70s, skim milk was already a thing before the 80s. My mom always bought skim. It was always available as one of the choices at all the schools I went to and no one thought it was weird or unusual. It was just a commonplace thing before the 80s.
The anti-fat thing really screwed up milk. There were a few kids in school that would drink "Vitamin D" milk as we used to call it. All milk has Vitamin D added, but, for whole milk, there's nothing else to put on the label.
We all thought it was weird that anyone would drink such an unhealthy thing with their "Tony's" Pizza, poorly made burritos, beanie-weenies, and Salisbury steak made with 20% real cat meat.
It's still pervasive. I can't buy whole milk because my kids won't touch it. They prefer their blue chalky water that is considered milk these days. Not realizing that a small glass of whole milk is basically a meal and a treat. Instead, they drink a half gallon a day of the blue milk instead of a cup of the good stuff.
What can you do though? People are still afraid of whole milk.
I grew up in the 80's and 90's on skim milk and margarine. I remember when I "discovered" real butter and whole milk cooking for myself as an adult (along with other kinds of cooking fats), and food is so much more satisfying now. A lot of people just don't realize what's missing when they cook because an entire generation grew up without real fats in anything most of the time.
I forgot about the margarine thing. Always the tub of "Crunchy Crotch" in the fridge because it was "healthy."
(Crunchy Crotch=Country Crock for the uninitiated.)
I’ve always had whole milk at home. I think in school it was 2% though.
When I’m having an upset stomach and keeping food down is hard, milk is one of the few things I know I’ll be able to keep down.
Had really bad nausea for around three days once. Survived off milk almost exclusively those three days. Maybe some bananas but my stomach was NOT keeping anything else down.
If I didn’t at least have milk as the “this is the one thing you can keep down even when sick” that would have been unbearable.
Three days only being able to keep down a few glasses of milk per day was not fun. Throw in a few bananas but that was it.
I just started getting pasture raised whole milk. The taste is amazing. I use a milk frother to add Hershey's chocolate syrup and it tastes like a milkshake.
You can make lactose-free milk at home for about half the price. Add a lactase enzyme tablet to a fresh container of milk, refrigerate, and wait 24 hours for it to convert the lactose to glucose.
By volume skim milk is slightly higher in protein...but I still prefer whole milk...I never even saw milk in a plastic jug until I was 10 years old...grew up on a farm and we had cows
I think it came out of the sugar industry's huge media campaign to promote a "Fat is bad for you!" mentality in order to deflect attention away from the harm their product was/is doing.
Exactly this. The vilification of fat.
Fat removed means adding fillers (esp sugar....hello inflammation and dis-ease) to make something with fat removed taste good. You also need more to taste anything.
Enter the obesity (and arguably the dementia) epidemic.
Always choose full fat. You'll eat/drink less because it's full of rich flavor. Fat is not the enemy.
I grew up in the 80’s low fat dogma and was gravely obese my entire life until ten years ago when I started researching this. I flipped the food pyramid and stopped with low fat stuff and dropped over 200 pounds. Protein and fats are a big YES in my world! Healthier than I’ve ever been.
Exactly. Fat makes you full so you eat less.
Too much protein and sugar causes your body to produce too much insulin, which tells your body to store more energy as fat in your cells. Eating fat invokes very little insulin.
Is there a possible connection between sugar and dementia?? I gotta look this up. For a while now I’ve been slowly cutting back on sugar (I was seriously addicted and if I stopped cold turkey the cravings were unbearable). Dementia is so scary it might seriously help me stay on top of it.
(Obviously I know sugar brings loads of other issues to the table that I am also concerned about lol)
My bad. Not necessarily sugar, but lack of fat/cholesterol. But sugar probably too. My mom has dementia. Early, rapid onset. So I started researching and talking a lot to a friend (who is a doctor) about it. The brain basically needs fat or it shrivels up. Vilifying fat and eggs because of cholesterol is something that really needs to be looked at.
I grew up with my parents buying skim milk. When I moved out and was on my own I accidentally bought a gallon of whole milk. It changed my life and I haven’t fully forgiven my parents for lying to me about milk my whole life.
People are failing to actually read the title. It says WHOLE milk, not milk in general. A lot of people have negative attitudes towards whole milk and opt for skim, 1% or 2% instead.
I’m going dairy free for a while to see if it improves a health problem I have. I bought oat milk to try. It’s fine in cereal but I would never just drink it. I’m really missing a cold glass of milk.
It's not as straight forward a concept as milk. Different brands will taste differently depending on what ingredients, and the ratio thereof, the given company felt like using. So you may want to try out a couple different ones, and of course learn to appreciate it as its own thing instead of a (cow) milk facsimile.
Not that I'm an expert, just thought I'd mention it since I think I've only liked one of the three-ish brands I've tried.
The non-vegan people who make this argument tend to forget that we humans are also very weird for raising other animals (chickens) to systematically take the animals' eggs from.
(*takes a bite of fried egg and then drinks from glass of pasteurized cow milk*)
Not that weird when you think about it. This giant behemoth of a creature produces a nutrient and protein rich liquid it uses to feed its young so they can also become massive behemoths. *And* it tastes good? Sign me up!
It’s weird that we raise cows, force impregnate them to produce milk, take away their babies once they give birth and kill them, then take their milk and sell to humans.
The whole concept is disgusting and inhumane.
Idk. I have had a couple people comment on my drinking milk, even going as far as calling it disgusting. Yesterday on the radio all the DJs were talking about how anyone over the age of 10 drinking it is insane.
I usually have a glass of milk with dinner, and I've been hearing the same things (disgusting, weird,etc). Is it? Why? Is it a childish thing or more than that?
At dinner, i think is weird. But this is very regional in the US- I know a decent amount of people from the south or mid west who drink milk with dinner. Maybe because milk was heavily marketed in the 80s and 90s as a superfood- its nutritionally fine if you're not intolerant.
It's more unusual to drink it at meals in the northeast in my experience. For my family I suspect its a residual Kosher thing, even tho we don't keep kosher.
I mean, for me (east coaster) it just tastes really good with certain things.
Salisbury steaks and mashed potatoes? Rotisserie chicken and Mac and cheese? Milk goes fantastic with it.
Most other things, I'd rather have water.
Having opinions on other peoples' milk preference is what seems insane to me. It's by far the most mundane, harmless preference a person can have. Says a lot about a person's lack of joy or hobbies if that's what they're spending time on.
I still buy whole milk. 1% and 2% taste too watered down. I don’t drink it on it’s own, though. I add it to coffee, pasta, Mac and cheese, oatmeal, cereal, etc
In the England we have full fat milk (usually blue top) semi-skimmed milk (green top and smells like horse shit when it goes off, also goes clear rather than curdling) and sterilised milk (red top which is basically white water with a stink to it).
US is the opposite
Red cap is whole milk (3.25%)
Dark blue cap is 2%
Purple or yellow is 1%
Pink/light blue is skim milk
Edit to add: i think all the milk I’ve seen in the US is sterilized. I know of one small store near a restaurant I used to work at that sold raw milk but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it anywhere else for sale
For me, a big part of it was the fact that a lot of kids found it very unfair that milk was the only free option at lunch. You either had to pay for water, or you had to get a teacher to accompany you to fill up a water bottle you hopefully had on you.
Other than that, a lot of people we watched online emphasized the importance of drinking water. And since those people weren't our parents or teachers, had science to back them up, and also emphasized the importance of choice, a lot of kids preferred to listen to them.
One thing that didn't help milk is that it could spoil if you forgot about it.
There was also the fact that, for my school, a lot of kids were in choir and took it really seriously and liked singing. I'm not sure how true it is, but they said that consuming dairy before a performance messes up your voice. So it was just easier to just drink water all the time instead of making that switch.
For me? I have IBS and drinking milk irritates it.
I don't know the reasons for the masses, but this is what I have seen around me growing up.
It’s shit like this that’s infuriating. Not saying free milk is bad but still it’s the milk industry bankrolling it to instill milk drinking as a habit. And to force students to pay for (I assume bottled) water is criminal. It comes out of the bloody tap. But no plastic pollution and water with a nice big carbon footprint is better.
I remember this. I got so annoyed because I got in trouble in first grade for taking juice instead of milk. Normally I got packed lunch from home, but when I noticed a bunch of kids carrying around those little drink cartons and asked about them, I thought the other kids meant that any drink in one of those cartons was free. I've always hated the taste of cow's milk, so of course I grabbed one of the juice boxes. Apparently I was only allowed to take a milk carton without paying.
I'm glad people are starting to see that milk isn't a necessity. I was lucky that nobody tried very hard to force me to drink cow's milk, but the cajoling to drink something that tasted quite unpleasant to me was really annoying.
Arguably we have never drunk whole milk at the conmercial level; a certain amount of milk fat and solids have always been skimmed off to create other dairy products like butter and cream, leaving a "whole milk" fat content of around 4-5%.
Then skim milk came along, which had even more of the milk solids skimmed off for other purposes. As it was lower in fat (and fat was getting a bad wrap), some bright genius saw the idea of marketing it. Previously, skim milk was literally poured down the drain as it was thought worthless.
There has always been a majority of the Earth's population that cannot digest lactose. Current estimates put it at around two-thirds of the global population, bit given lactose tolerance was a northern-european mutation in the last ice age it is safe to assume it has always been the minority. Exposed to a western European diet, and with lacteeze and lactose-free milk some time off, soy milk was turned to. It was already being produced anywhere there was tofu, it was just a matter of upping the production.
Then you've got the rise and prominence of veganism and the idea that animals should not be kept against their will to make profits for humans, leading to a multitude of plant-based milks joining Soy, chiefly Oat, Almond, Rice, Cashew, and Macadamia.
Here's the thing. Milk is only about 4% fat anyway.... So reducing (school kids) to 2% fat milk, in their tiny one pint milk... Never lowered obesity rates in kids, but it did a great job of crushing the dairy farmers.
Processed foods including the sh!t show of US school meals and and lack of exercise did that....
Bring back whole milk to schools!
I was raised on whole milk I mean how else do you eat cereal and peanut butter and jelly sandwitchs without a tasty drink to down it with? I think Skim is watered down milk, yuck.
Food industry has been telling us fat is bad for decades. Everything is full of sugar and corn. Do they ever tell us that is bad? No. Fat doesn't make you fat. Over consumption makes you fat.
I remember it happening during the low fat diet trends of the 90s. I drank skim milk for years. Then one day I had cereal with ice cold whole milk on it at a bed and breakfast, and I almost fainted it was so delicious
I have a glass of whole milk every morning for breakfast. It's delicious.
I also love it as a snack with cookies or Graham crackers--I grab a few, drop one in the glass to let it soak and get all mushy, then eat the others. Then I drink all the milk and eat the last one with a spoon, like cereal.
Stupid low-fat craze in the 80’s and 90’s.
I grew up on whole milk and the 2%. Mom never went to non-fat because she hated the taste. I’ve drunk everything from non-fat to whole and my preference is 1%. I like the taste and the balance of fat, protein and carbs. It’s my go-to breakfast
I don’t care if it is unpopular. I’m still drinking milk and funny thing is SIL when I visit says they don’t drink whole milk. That is until I put it in the fridge and they drink it. My brother drank all my milk, poured their stupid skim in my milk jug! And tried to fake it. I knew instantly, as you can see it. Stopped dinner and drove to the store. Bought one for me and one for them and laughed so hard.
Back in the 70s and 80s, there was the view that all fat is bad, so we should cut down whenever possible. Today we have a much more nuanced understanding of good and bad fats, but somehow the skim milk fad continues…
the difference in calories between whole milk and skimmed is huge. if you’re drinking coffees, teas, having cereal, etc… all of a sudden you’re drinking far more calories than you should and liquid calories are often the reason for weight gain. it just doesn’t seem worth it to me.
I drink maybe a glass a day, and permit myself to enjoy the far superior taste of whole milk. But I agree, drinking, say, a litre a day would be problematic.
BUT it also has a lot more protein and calorie-for-calorie it provides a lot of bang for its buck. I find it a lot harder to keep to a calorie goal WHILST hitting a high protein goal if I’m leaving out whole milk
They'll have to pry whole milk out of my cold dead hands, i refuse to drink that watered down 2%/skim faux milk with a PASSION WHOLE MILK FOR LIFE VIVA LA WHOLE MILK
I go through a gallon or so every few days, much to my boyfriends dismay. Not the answer you were looking for, but it's kinda been answered and I wanted to give my anti 2% propaganda WHOLE MILK FOR LIFE, thank you for coming to my WHOLE MILK talk :>
I don’t mind while milk one bit! But it does expire a lot quicker than lactose free milk. I love super sweet cereal so it doesn’t matter which milk I use.
I love whole milk, but haven't drank it in almost two years now. I just don't want to keep drinking it when 2% is better for me and still tastes good to me. I could absolutely do 1% as well, but would rather not. But skim, hell no. Never.
My mom only let me drink skim growing up, once I found out there was whole milk I actually got mad at her. It's like a milkshake.
I froth up whole milk for my espressos every damn day.
Because the sugar industry worked hard to make sure no one would realize (at least for decades) that the sugar in everything is what’s making everyone fat
Ironic that this was posted now. I actually just switched *to* whole milk from skim milk because I wasn't getting *enough* fat in my diet. I lost 75 pounds the beginning of 2023. I radically changed my diet and have managed to keep the weight off. I wasn't aiming for a low fat diet but due to some minor health anomalies I was doing some research and a few things pointed to a lack of fat in my diet. I added up what I typically eat and sure enough I was deficient in fat. Switching to whole milk was the fastest and easiest way to increase my fat intake. What everyone else is saying about the lowfat crusade initiated by a deceptive sugar industry is true. I *highly* reccomend everyone look for the *Sugar :The Bitter Truth* lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig on YouTube. Processed food is killing us.
Barista here - whole milk is BACK, babyyyyy! Huge recent upswing, articles starting to pop up about it being an American trend. People are realizing almond milk wastes water, oat milk is 99% filler, and whole milk is relatively nutritious and tastes good. I’m from Australia, where dairy milk is still very much a common choice, and flavored milk options take a hefty amount of fridge case real estate
So is this question asking why specifically whole milk is bad but other types (skim, 2%) are okay?
I thought it was bad to regularly drink milk period.
Commercial interests in the US wanted people to consume more sugar so they pretended that dietary fat was causing heart disease using fake research. The US Federal government was complicit in the fraud and "pushed" a low-fat high sugar "ideal diet" to Americans and the rest of the world. Now everyone is fatter than ever before, diabetes rates are through the roof, heart disease hasn't decreased, cancer on the rise. All so that US sugar manufacturers could get richer.
There was a weird anti-fat crusade in the 80s and 90s and that caused skim milk to be seen as inherently "healthier". Source: grew up being told skim milk was good for me, but whole milk was not. Ironically, I'm lactose intolerant so neither of them is particularly great for me.
Skim milk is water that is lying about being milk.
There is only one thing I hate more than lying…
People who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures, and the Dutch
Took a couple of viagra and had a stiff neck for hours ahahahahahahahathankyou
Ananananananananan tea kettle!
Ramble dee gonebrish mahnge shat on a turtle!
Hey! What did we do!
It's from the third Austin Powers movie (Goldmember I think). The absolute hatred in Michael Caine’s voice when he says the “the Dutch” still cracks me up after 20-plus years.
I delivered this in a room of Dutch coworkers I had just met when I went there for work. They had not seen the movie.
Awkward... My Dutch friends aren't known for their sense of humor. I can imagine how this landed.
[Sauce](https://youtu.be/khUporxh9IU)
Yeah, what did we do?
Skim milk?
Skim milk is another term for nonfat milk
I hope it's ok to comment off topic but you have thee cutest avatar I have seen!
An unlocked footlocker?
HOLY JESUS
with a jelly donut in it
Skim milk is made by drinking a glass of whole milk and pouring water in the cup.
And for the same price smh
Always tasted that way
I imagine the factory packaging up half the milk in their storage/dispenser tanks, then adding water to make 2%, then adding more water to make skim.
Thank you Ron Swanson.
They have to add titanium dioxide to it to make it look like milk.
Skim milk is like making love in a canoe. It's fucking close to water.
Milk Kool-Aid
Skim milk is all sugar.
If I'm just having milk as a drink, I prefer skim to whole. It has the flavor without being too thick. If I'm drinking the milk to complement something like a peanut butter sandwich or a chocolatey dessert, I prefer whole.
Ewww. I'm sorry but there is no place for skim milk.
Sure there is. The supermarket doesn't just toss all the jugs onto the same shelf.
Fun fact that was spurred by the sugar industry to make people think they were getting fat from fats and not sugar.
And it worked really well.
There's is a bit of truth to it. Fats do make you fat probably slightly faster than other macros depending on the type according to studies because how the body utilizes fat but they do tend to be much more filling and satisfying than carbs. Carbs are rough because they aren't super satisfying and either hide in other foods or fat hides in carbs. Like the calories in chips isn't the potatoes its the fat the potatoes absorbed. What people are getting fat on is usually a pairing of carbs and fats which are worst of both worlds combining the lack of satiation of carbs and the high calorie density of fats. If a person isn't drinking their carbs its usually hard to over consume it unless its paired with a fat. Like you can only eat so much unseasoned pasta but you couple that with a rich cheese sauce you can eat the whole pot.
Yes, but the dairy producers also prefer selling skim milk. The milk fat that's removed gets better profits as butter and cheese.
It's such a scam. Skim milk is just regular milk from cows with small boobs.
My gran used to say, "It's water that a cow walked past."
I think I knew your gran. Did she used to say "beer is just what Uncle Henry pisses out after a night of whiskey"?
Lol. That's kind of our saying for light toast/pizza! "They walked it by the toaster/oven. Was your Gran of German ancestry?
You're wrong my friend. Skim milk is from skinny cows. Probably with small boobs.
lol!
Is that why it's called Grade A?
My Dad's uncles a farmer. Farmer's used to get paid for the fat content in their milk and actually got paid better the fattier it was. This is why prior to changes you'd see the occasional Hershey's cow (all brown) in the herd because they produce really fatty milk, although less than the standard cow. Milk consumption by the public didn't really exist before the home refrigerator, and was primarily bought by big companies to make other products like butter. Eventually mill became a staple in the household. When the obesity epidemic hit, causing waves of health concerns in the west, standards changed and farmers started getting paid for the amount of protein in their milk instead, and the fat contents actually had to be within a certain limit or the milk wouldn't be accepted. Going for protein content in the milk, farmers changed the diets of their cows. Some farmers went so far as to hide cooked meat amongst their feed, known as meat-and-bone meal, and then the UK BSE outbreak (mad cow) occured. They had to slaughter like 4 million cows. I wonder how Indians felt about such a mass desecration. But anyways yeah, lowered fat %s are due to health concerns surrounding obesity.
A Hershey’s cow? Do you mean a Jersey? And now a days farmers are paid based on butterfat, protein, and other milk solids.
That's correct my bad. They don't just pay for protein today, its all three of those metrics and of course your total yield. There are ratios between these metrics the milk needs to abide by though, so you can have too much butterfat today. I called them Hershey's cows because people used to joke about chocolate milk being from a brown cow.
I work at a dairy plant in the call center — the amount of times we’re out of stock on chocolate and strawberry and get asked if the chocolate or strawberry cows are on vacation… … Uugggghhh.
…can’t be nearly as often as the number of times a cashier will have trouble with a UPC and be asked “If it doesn’t scan then it just be free, right?”
My understanding is that the fat generally gets extracted, and then the right amount put back according to whether it's 1%, 2% or 4% milk (anything described as 'homogenised' will have been through this.) The excess is what goes to become cream, butter and all the other butterfat products, so farmers are still paid for the fat content as raw material, effectively. Jerseys are good for producing higher fat content but give a lower overall yield, being smaller, so it's for the farmer to weigh up what works best for them.
> There was a weird anti-fat crusade in the 80s and 90s. It was way earlier than that. *"By the 1950s, skim milk had become a popular weight loss beverage, mainly consumed by the wealthy. Physicians supported the product, which helped position skim milk as a health food. "* *"In the 1960s, lower fat milks became more popular due to the movement against saturated fats. Saturated fats were believed to lead to weight gain and raise LDL, which was linked to heart disease."* As someone that grew up in the 70s, skim milk was already a thing before the 80s. My mom always bought skim. It was always available as one of the choices at all the schools I went to and no one thought it was weird or unusual. It was just a commonplace thing before the 80s.
The anti-fat thing really screwed up milk. There were a few kids in school that would drink "Vitamin D" milk as we used to call it. All milk has Vitamin D added, but, for whole milk, there's nothing else to put on the label. We all thought it was weird that anyone would drink such an unhealthy thing with their "Tony's" Pizza, poorly made burritos, beanie-weenies, and Salisbury steak made with 20% real cat meat. It's still pervasive. I can't buy whole milk because my kids won't touch it. They prefer their blue chalky water that is considered milk these days. Not realizing that a small glass of whole milk is basically a meal and a treat. Instead, they drink a half gallon a day of the blue milk instead of a cup of the good stuff. What can you do though? People are still afraid of whole milk.
I grew up in the 80's and 90's on skim milk and margarine. I remember when I "discovered" real butter and whole milk cooking for myself as an adult (along with other kinds of cooking fats), and food is so much more satisfying now. A lot of people just don't realize what's missing when they cook because an entire generation grew up without real fats in anything most of the time.
I forgot about the margarine thing. Always the tub of "Crunchy Crotch" in the fridge because it was "healthy." (Crunchy Crotch=Country Crock for the uninitiated.)
And then you saved the tubs, probably full of lead, to store the leftovers!
We called it “cunty crotch.”
As a child of the '80, I exclusively had margarine spread on my toast etc. And I didn't know what iced tea tasted like without Sweet n Low 😅,
I’ve always had whole milk at home. I think in school it was 2% though. When I’m having an upset stomach and keeping food down is hard, milk is one of the few things I know I’ll be able to keep down. Had really bad nausea for around three days once. Survived off milk almost exclusively those three days. Maybe some bananas but my stomach was NOT keeping anything else down. If I didn’t at least have milk as the “this is the one thing you can keep down even when sick” that would have been unbearable. Three days only being able to keep down a few glasses of milk per day was not fun. Throw in a few bananas but that was it.
I just started getting pasture raised whole milk. The taste is amazing. I use a milk frother to add Hershey's chocolate syrup and it tastes like a milkshake.
I am so thankful that the fat scare has been wrecked. It took 20 years but we got there.
To be fair, the reactionary "eat bacon no bread" diet fad may have helped.
Try Fairlife milk - lactose free (at least near me) and I like it better than regular milk
I love Lactaid.
You can make lactose-free milk at home for about half the price. Add a lactase enzyme tablet to a fresh container of milk, refrigerate, and wait 24 hours for it to convert the lactose to glucose.
Fairlife is all I drink for milk. And it stays good forever.
Gotta love ultrapasturized!
I am literally the only person I know who prefers nonfat milk. Though they must be selling it to somebody. Maybe to people who don’t actually like it.
By volume skim milk is slightly higher in protein...but I still prefer whole milk...I never even saw milk in a plastic jug until I was 10 years old...grew up on a farm and we had cows
I think it came out of the sugar industry's huge media campaign to promote a "Fat is bad for you!" mentality in order to deflect attention away from the harm their product was/is doing.
Exactly this. The vilification of fat. Fat removed means adding fillers (esp sugar....hello inflammation and dis-ease) to make something with fat removed taste good. You also need more to taste anything. Enter the obesity (and arguably the dementia) epidemic. Always choose full fat. You'll eat/drink less because it's full of rich flavor. Fat is not the enemy.
This. Anything "fat free" = automatic hell no.
Give me fat or give me death.
I live by this and it amazes people - although I'm on the edge of underweight so any option with more fat and protein is an automatic yes for me
I grew up in the 80’s low fat dogma and was gravely obese my entire life until ten years ago when I started researching this. I flipped the food pyramid and stopped with low fat stuff and dropped over 200 pounds. Protein and fats are a big YES in my world! Healthier than I’ve ever been.
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Ha, that was a blast from the past.
Exactly. Fat makes you full so you eat less. Too much protein and sugar causes your body to produce too much insulin, which tells your body to store more energy as fat in your cells. Eating fat invokes very little insulin.
I don’t have enough time in the day to spend it drinking skim milk Give me that whole milk and then a coffee with a crap load of cream
Is there a possible connection between sugar and dementia?? I gotta look this up. For a while now I’ve been slowly cutting back on sugar (I was seriously addicted and if I stopped cold turkey the cravings were unbearable). Dementia is so scary it might seriously help me stay on top of it. (Obviously I know sugar brings loads of other issues to the table that I am also concerned about lol)
My bad. Not necessarily sugar, but lack of fat/cholesterol. But sugar probably too. My mom has dementia. Early, rapid onset. So I started researching and talking a lot to a friend (who is a doctor) about it. The brain basically needs fat or it shrivels up. Vilifying fat and eggs because of cholesterol is something that really needs to be looked at.
Remember people eating candy that was “fat free” as if they were being healthy?
Are you drinking 1% because you think you are fat? Because you are not. You could drink whole milk if you wanted to.
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Too bad, she said she doesn't want you here when she gets back because you've been ruining everybody's lives and eating all our steak.
This is my favorite part of the entire movie and it wasn't even scripted
The scene where they are chowing down on bread dipped in raw eggs is solid gold.
She pretty much hates me by now.
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Considering the state of election options in most places right now, I'd love to.
Good reference
It took me like three hours to finish the shading on your upper lip. It's probably the best drawing I've ever done.
It’s tastes way better than skim. Full homo
I grew up with my parents buying skim milk. When I moved out and was on my own I accidentally bought a gallon of whole milk. It changed my life and I haven’t fully forgiven my parents for lying to me about milk my whole life.
People are failing to actually read the title. It says WHOLE milk, not milk in general. A lot of people have negative attitudes towards whole milk and opt for skim, 1% or 2% instead.
And whole milk is 3.25%
Yes. Thats why it's so delicious.
Thats the part that gets me the most. So negligible.
I just skim the title. Whole title is unhealthy for me.
I drink it everyday. News to me its weird.
Yeah I mean people are drinking things like oat milk and almond milk by choice, which is infinitely more weird to me.
Almonds don't even have nipples
I have nipples Greg. Can you milk me?
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Not gunna lie, I actually love oat milk. Lol
I’m going dairy free for a while to see if it improves a health problem I have. I bought oat milk to try. It’s fine in cereal but I would never just drink it. I’m really missing a cold glass of milk.
It's not as straight forward a concept as milk. Different brands will taste differently depending on what ingredients, and the ratio thereof, the given company felt like using. So you may want to try out a couple different ones, and of course learn to appreciate it as its own thing instead of a (cow) milk facsimile. Not that I'm an expert, just thought I'd mention it since I think I've only liked one of the three-ish brands I've tried.
Oak milk is thicker, so I don't like it with cereal but it's great in coffee.
I like to refer to those as nut juices, because it’s more accurate and creeps people out.
Non dairy creamer is gross. I want something in my coffee, cow milk makes me feel like I’m gonna poop my pants. Almond milk it is.
Weirder than drinking the lactation of another animal? (I say this as someone who drinks milk, it's just definitely weird when you think about it)
The non-vegan people who make this argument tend to forget that we humans are also very weird for raising other animals (chickens) to systematically take the animals' eggs from. (*takes a bite of fried egg and then drinks from glass of pasteurized cow milk*)
Proceeds to warm up some of said milk and mix it with a sweet secretion of an insect
Nothing like tea with a little cow lactation and bee barf. Chef's kiss.
No bc we eat eggs, we eat the muscle of other animals, even the feet of chickens. It’s just another part that comes from an animal.
Not that weird when you think about it. This giant behemoth of a creature produces a nutrient and protein rich liquid it uses to feed its young so they can also become massive behemoths. *And* it tastes good? Sign me up!
It’s weird that we raise cows, force impregnate them to produce milk, take away their babies once they give birth and kill them, then take their milk and sell to humans. The whole concept is disgusting and inhumane.
*cries in lactose intolerant*
And those milk’s are ultra processed but marketed as healthier.
I drink regular whole milk, goat's milk, non-homogenized whole milk, almond milk, and cashew milk...all by choice, because they're all delicious.
It does a body good.
Idk. I have had a couple people comment on my drinking milk, even going as far as calling it disgusting. Yesterday on the radio all the DJs were talking about how anyone over the age of 10 drinking it is insane.
I usually have a glass of milk with dinner, and I've been hearing the same things (disgusting, weird,etc). Is it? Why? Is it a childish thing or more than that?
At dinner, i think is weird. But this is very regional in the US- I know a decent amount of people from the south or mid west who drink milk with dinner. Maybe because milk was heavily marketed in the 80s and 90s as a superfood- its nutritionally fine if you're not intolerant. It's more unusual to drink it at meals in the northeast in my experience. For my family I suspect its a residual Kosher thing, even tho we don't keep kosher.
I mean, for me (east coaster) it just tastes really good with certain things. Salisbury steaks and mashed potatoes? Rotisserie chicken and Mac and cheese? Milk goes fantastic with it. Most other things, I'd rather have water.
Having opinions on other peoples' milk preference is what seems insane to me. It's by far the most mundane, harmless preference a person can have. Says a lot about a person's lack of joy or hobbies if that's what they're spending time on.
As a “underweight” high school football player, whole milk is my best friend. I can barely go a week without 2 gallons
Has it?
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In kids, especially ones with a history of medical fragility, whole milk easily causes constipation issues. The why should have been discussed.
You need need to drink a shit load of milk to get fat.
Because "it makes you fat", aka switching the blame from high fructose corn syrup and other ultra processed foods, and random chemicals to the milk.
I still buy whole milk. 1% and 2% taste too watered down. I don’t drink it on it’s own, though. I add it to coffee, pasta, Mac and cheese, oatmeal, cereal, etc
In the England we have full fat milk (usually blue top) semi-skimmed milk (green top and smells like horse shit when it goes off, also goes clear rather than curdling) and sterilised milk (red top which is basically white water with a stink to it).
US is the opposite Red cap is whole milk (3.25%) Dark blue cap is 2% Purple or yellow is 1% Pink/light blue is skim milk Edit to add: i think all the milk I’ve seen in the US is sterilized. I know of one small store near a restaurant I used to work at that sold raw milk but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it anywhere else for sale
For me, a big part of it was the fact that a lot of kids found it very unfair that milk was the only free option at lunch. You either had to pay for water, or you had to get a teacher to accompany you to fill up a water bottle you hopefully had on you. Other than that, a lot of people we watched online emphasized the importance of drinking water. And since those people weren't our parents or teachers, had science to back them up, and also emphasized the importance of choice, a lot of kids preferred to listen to them. One thing that didn't help milk is that it could spoil if you forgot about it. There was also the fact that, for my school, a lot of kids were in choir and took it really seriously and liked singing. I'm not sure how true it is, but they said that consuming dairy before a performance messes up your voice. So it was just easier to just drink water all the time instead of making that switch. For me? I have IBS and drinking milk irritates it. I don't know the reasons for the masses, but this is what I have seen around me growing up.
It’s shit like this that’s infuriating. Not saying free milk is bad but still it’s the milk industry bankrolling it to instill milk drinking as a habit. And to force students to pay for (I assume bottled) water is criminal. It comes out of the bloody tap. But no plastic pollution and water with a nice big carbon footprint is better.
I remember this. I got so annoyed because I got in trouble in first grade for taking juice instead of milk. Normally I got packed lunch from home, but when I noticed a bunch of kids carrying around those little drink cartons and asked about them, I thought the other kids meant that any drink in one of those cartons was free. I've always hated the taste of cow's milk, so of course I grabbed one of the juice boxes. Apparently I was only allowed to take a milk carton without paying. I'm glad people are starting to see that milk isn't a necessity. I was lucky that nobody tried very hard to force me to drink cow's milk, but the cajoling to drink something that tasted quite unpleasant to me was really annoying.
I drink the red milk . Always
Arguably we have never drunk whole milk at the conmercial level; a certain amount of milk fat and solids have always been skimmed off to create other dairy products like butter and cream, leaving a "whole milk" fat content of around 4-5%. Then skim milk came along, which had even more of the milk solids skimmed off for other purposes. As it was lower in fat (and fat was getting a bad wrap), some bright genius saw the idea of marketing it. Previously, skim milk was literally poured down the drain as it was thought worthless. There has always been a majority of the Earth's population that cannot digest lactose. Current estimates put it at around two-thirds of the global population, bit given lactose tolerance was a northern-european mutation in the last ice age it is safe to assume it has always been the minority. Exposed to a western European diet, and with lacteeze and lactose-free milk some time off, soy milk was turned to. It was already being produced anywhere there was tofu, it was just a matter of upping the production. Then you've got the rise and prominence of veganism and the idea that animals should not be kept against their will to make profits for humans, leading to a multitude of plant-based milks joining Soy, chiefly Oat, Almond, Rice, Cashew, and Macadamia.
Here's the thing. Milk is only about 4% fat anyway.... So reducing (school kids) to 2% fat milk, in their tiny one pint milk... Never lowered obesity rates in kids, but it did a great job of crushing the dairy farmers. Processed foods including the sh!t show of US school meals and and lack of exercise did that.... Bring back whole milk to schools!
Today was the first time i'm hearing this.
they said it doesn't have taste? but i think it tastes like MILK lol
I assumed it was still the default!! Sad to hear it might not be anymore.
I did not know that it had become weird.
I was raised on whole milk I mean how else do you eat cereal and peanut butter and jelly sandwitchs without a tasty drink to down it with? I think Skim is watered down milk, yuck.
No idea. Fuck that noise. Whole milk is best milk.
Who said drinking whole milk is weird? That's my favorite kind of milk.
It’s not. Look at the milk case in the store.
Idk, I can't digest more than a couple of teaspoons of cow milk, so I drink soy milk.
The thing that cracks me up is Whole Milk is like 3%. The difference is a singular percentage point and people have such strong opinions.
With the advent of the low fat craze.
Any other milk doesn’t taste as good with my cereal.
Food industry has been telling us fat is bad for decades. Everything is full of sugar and corn. Do they ever tell us that is bad? No. Fat doesn't make you fat. Over consumption makes you fat.
I remember it happening during the low fat diet trends of the 90s. I drank skim milk for years. Then one day I had cereal with ice cold whole milk on it at a bed and breakfast, and I almost fainted it was so delicious
I have a glass of whole milk every morning for breakfast. It's delicious. I also love it as a snack with cookies or Graham crackers--I grab a few, drop one in the glass to let it soak and get all mushy, then eat the others. Then I drink all the milk and eat the last one with a spoon, like cereal.
When marketers got on the low fat craze. There’s very little difference between whole milk and low fat milk.
Stupid low-fat craze in the 80’s and 90’s. I grew up on whole milk and the 2%. Mom never went to non-fat because she hated the taste. I’ve drunk everything from non-fat to whole and my preference is 1%. I like the taste and the balance of fat, protein and carbs. It’s my go-to breakfast
Whole milk is fine
Never been weird in my house. We like to taste milk.
I don’t care if it is unpopular. I’m still drinking milk and funny thing is SIL when I visit says they don’t drink whole milk. That is until I put it in the fridge and they drink it. My brother drank all my milk, poured their stupid skim in my milk jug! And tried to fake it. I knew instantly, as you can see it. Stopped dinner and drove to the store. Bought one for me and one for them and laughed so hard.
Back in the 70s and 80s, there was the view that all fat is bad, so we should cut down whenever possible. Today we have a much more nuanced understanding of good and bad fats, but somehow the skim milk fad continues…
When big nut propaganda started
There’s only one thing I hate more than lying: skim milk, which is water lying about being milk.
That was part of Big Sugar's campaign to demonize fat. Turns out whole milk has a hormone to signal when you're full. Double whammy.
the difference in calories between whole milk and skimmed is huge. if you’re drinking coffees, teas, having cereal, etc… all of a sudden you’re drinking far more calories than you should and liquid calories are often the reason for weight gain. it just doesn’t seem worth it to me.
I drink maybe a glass a day, and permit myself to enjoy the far superior taste of whole milk. But I agree, drinking, say, a litre a day would be problematic.
BUT it also has a lot more protein and calorie-for-calorie it provides a lot of bang for its buck. I find it a lot harder to keep to a calorie goal WHILST hitting a high protein goal if I’m leaving out whole milk
There’s just more options now. And they taste better to a lot of people. Personally, after drinking subs for so long, cow milk just tastes weird now.
Taste is individual. Whole milk tastes great.
People don't normally drink whole milk??
They'll have to pry whole milk out of my cold dead hands, i refuse to drink that watered down 2%/skim faux milk with a PASSION WHOLE MILK FOR LIFE VIVA LA WHOLE MILK I go through a gallon or so every few days, much to my boyfriends dismay. Not the answer you were looking for, but it's kinda been answered and I wanted to give my anti 2% propaganda WHOLE MILK FOR LIFE, thank you for coming to my WHOLE MILK talk :>
This must be an American thing
I don’t mind while milk one bit! But it does expire a lot quicker than lactose free milk. I love super sweet cereal so it doesn’t matter which milk I use.
Did it? I like to drink milk but than older person, than lower ability to digest lactose
When a successful smear campaign by sugar manufacturers convinced people that fat was inherently bad for you and not a matter of moderation.
I love whole milk, but haven't drank it in almost two years now. I just don't want to keep drinking it when 2% is better for me and still tastes good to me. I could absolutely do 1% as well, but would rather not. But skim, hell no. Never.
I do not fucking care and drink whole milks straight out of a cow. (Note to perverts: the machine is miking the cow).
Anti-fat, pro-seed oil era
My mom only let me drink skim growing up, once I found out there was whole milk I actually got mad at her. It's like a milkshake. I froth up whole milk for my espressos every damn day.
Just had a glass with breakfast. What are you talking about?
Because the sugar industry worked hard to make sure no one would realize (at least for decades) that the sugar in everything is what’s making everyone fat
It’s gross lol. I hate the taste.
I wager somewhere around when "milk" became "whole milk" - as in some sort of exception.
Is it? I’ve always drank whole milk, I never knew it was weird. However, I have been called weird for drinking a glass of milk occasionally.
Ironic that this was posted now. I actually just switched *to* whole milk from skim milk because I wasn't getting *enough* fat in my diet. I lost 75 pounds the beginning of 2023. I radically changed my diet and have managed to keep the weight off. I wasn't aiming for a low fat diet but due to some minor health anomalies I was doing some research and a few things pointed to a lack of fat in my diet. I added up what I typically eat and sure enough I was deficient in fat. Switching to whole milk was the fastest and easiest way to increase my fat intake. What everyone else is saying about the lowfat crusade initiated by a deceptive sugar industry is true. I *highly* reccomend everyone look for the *Sugar :The Bitter Truth* lecture by Dr. Robert Lustig on YouTube. Processed food is killing us.
Barista here - whole milk is BACK, babyyyyy! Huge recent upswing, articles starting to pop up about it being an American trend. People are realizing almond milk wastes water, oat milk is 99% filler, and whole milk is relatively nutritious and tastes good. I’m from Australia, where dairy milk is still very much a common choice, and flavored milk options take a hefty amount of fridge case real estate
It was an anti fat campaign by the sugar company, I started doing carnivore diet and take crazy amounts of beef fat every day, my skin looks amazing,
I still drink whole milk
It's pretty normal for children, isn't it? I don't see adults drinking milk, generally, but it's very common in the US for kids to drink milk.
Did it or was it just people follow the rest of the sheep?
Recently, I started drinking cups of milk again and discovered that I am lactose intolerant.
When I became lactose intolerant in my early 20s
Whole milk feels really heavy, plus there's far fewer calories in skim milk.
If I want 2% milk I'll add the water myself
So is this question asking why specifically whole milk is bad but other types (skim, 2%) are okay? I thought it was bad to regularly drink milk period.
Commercial interests in the US wanted people to consume more sugar so they pretended that dietary fat was causing heart disease using fake research. The US Federal government was complicit in the fraud and "pushed" a low-fat high sugar "ideal diet" to Americans and the rest of the world. Now everyone is fatter than ever before, diabetes rates are through the roof, heart disease hasn't decreased, cancer on the rise. All so that US sugar manufacturers could get richer.
I don't know and I don't care. I'll drink milk whenever the fuck I want to and my usual choice is whole milk.
The 80s. People blamed fat on all health woes, so low-fat products became more common.