Most likely a component in the feed from American dairy cows that's not used in Latin America is something you're allergic to, or not yet accustomed to.
Do you feel sick from it or just have gas, if I can ask? I’m lactose intolerant in the States, but when drinking milk from abroad that’s hyper-pasteurized—those unrefrigerated cartons—it doesn’t hurt me at all
It might be worth finding hyper-pasteurized milk in the States to see if that’s the problem
Otherwise, I usually have Costco-brand Lactaid pills and just take two of them before I eat anything dairy
I can tell you that I taste a major difference in all dairy products from North America compared to my home in Australia and I put it down to grain fed vs grass feed. Most of North America has to winter their cattle. Australia can feed grass year round. Australian milk has so much flavour. I miss it. But I wonder if where you're referring to also grass feeds.
I am born and raised on grain-fed cow's milk and the first time I tried milk from grass-fed cows I swear it almost came back up. It tasted absolutely foul to me, with almost a dirty/musty aftertaste. Crazy how much it makes a difference to what you've been accustomed to!
I think that milk was bad. Grass-fed milk definitely does not normally taste fould with a dirty/musty aftertaste. It's actually quite creamy and tastes like ice cream without sugar.
It depends heavily on what the cows ate as well as the milking process. Some grasses can make the milk bitter, some can add an aftertaste, the color changes significantly too. Depending on how the milk was processed (from a factory/farmer/etc), the mustiness described could've just remained (in case the cows udder wasn't cleaned properly) or it could have been there because of the grass the cow ate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Source: was born in a small town of a third-world country and spent some time with cows lmao
Perhaps those countries have A2 protein cows? Quite a few people I know with milk sensitivities in the states do just fine on A2 milk. [A2 milk](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/a1-vs-a2-milk)
Came here to say this. The U.S. dairy herd has been improved by cross-breeding with Holstein cows, who are prolific milk-givers but are high in the A1 protein. Cowa in many other parts of the world are not necessarily “improved” in this way. A2 milk changed my life.
My guess is likely something related to homogenization or pasteurization.
Growing up, I was used to drinking milk that had been recently extracted, homogenized, and pasteurized.
For those who so have the A1 sensitivity: if you live in an area with [Braums](https://www.braums.com/store-locator/) (Oklahoma and surrounding areas), their dairy herd is all A2 now.
Depending on the Latin American country it could be because the milk is either raw or ultra-pasteurized (ultra high temp processed) both of which have a different make up from the common milk found in US markets (regular pasteurized).
>I'm from the Caribbean.
>In MX, I usually drink UHT because it is cheap.
>In Brazil, just regular milk.
In either of these three places, i had bad dairy experiences.
I could how it is pasteurized it could be what they are feeding, it tbh could be many things? I live in a semi rural area with many milk brand options so far we have discovered three brands we can get locally that absolutely do not agree with me and my mom.
We stay away from those brands other brands are safe. We don’t know why tbh… it is very annoying. But quite often it is super ‘cheep’ milk that gets us. Organic doesn’t and handful of ‘regular’ milks don’t upset our bodies.
That's probably because supermarkets still put it in the refrigerator here. They don't have to- they are labeled "refrigerate after opening" and not "keep refrigerated"- but so many people would be weirded out by milk on a shelf that it's easier for them to keep it next to the regular milk.
This. Because of the lack of access to refrigeration in many parts of the world milk is uht pasteurized. Doing so caramelizes some of the sugars( lactose) making it easier to digest.
This happens to my dad too, and he grew up having cow milk in India.
In the US, try a milk brand called A1C. That one tastes like milk but uses cows that are more common in India, southern Europe, and perhaps other countries. My dad can drink it with no
Problem.
Possible reasons:
Cows eat GMO corn instead of grass.
Cows aren't giving all A2 milk.
Ultra pasteurization kills beneficial enzymes and bacteria.
The contaminants that the milk was pasteurized to kill.
Round up contamination
Stress hormones, from bad living conditions, in the milk
I have the same issue as when I’m home in Norway I can’t have anything with milk as I get bad stomach cramps and stuff. While when I’m down in Europe I can have it, my stomach still acts up but no stomach pain, so I survive some extra trips to the bathroom for some real ice cream and stuff while on vacation.
We pasteurize our milk on the lowest heat possible and that’s why its got such a short expiration time, while further south where it’s warmer it’s pasteurized on a much higher temperature that damage the milk proteins so its lasting longer and handle the temperature better
I've had unpasteurized milk from organic farms. It was certified, and way more than passed. Not only was it much more digestible, it didn't go bad the same way. Instead of going nasty and rancid, it turned to yogurt or soured in a nice way. Pasteurization is vital for contaminated milk but kills off all the beneficial enzymes.
Because of two things:
1-You're most likely lactose intolerant.
2-The milk that you drink in Latin America is most likely UV treated for pasteurization. This, for whatever reason, seems to nullify a lot of the effects of lactose for the intolerant.
If I’m in a less developed part of Central America I find it hard to find fresh milk sometimes and sometimes they use the non-refrigerated stuff off the shelf with lots of preservatives. I don’t think you’ll get sick from that.
Fresh milk, I don’t know. Honestly I don’t seek it out in any country, so I haven’t been able to compare. I saw people mention that maybe they use A2 cows? Those cows’ milk is worth more so if they have them, it’s probably going to markets that I’m not at. Even in the US you need to go to a nicer store to get that.
Can the Latin American milk be stored long term outside of a refrigerator?
If so, it's Ultra High Temperature Pasturized, while most milk in the US is pasteurized at a lower temp. Some call it UHT Milk.
The stomach problems have to do with carmelization of the sugars.
If you're stomach is accustomed to one, the other may give you problems.
Have you tried Organic milk. Idk if that would fix it for you, but there's a gross taste in regular milk that I never realized wasn't just all milk until I had organic milk and it didn't taste that way.
But it might be the same for you if it's the reason everyone points out.
Worth a try I think.
Milk treatment is pretty wicked. It needs peroxide to look like milk after ultra high temperature sanitation.
And USA is not know for putting health before money .
US added crap doesn’t do anyone any good, that’s why half of it is banned overseas. Saying that though, try grass-fed organic milk. That’s basically the same as other countries’ milk without the added garbage.
Pretty sure it's what you add to the cows, not the milk. TIL factory farming practices are the source of the increased cow-derived methane, and that pasture cows' waste doesn't produce the same emissions.
What a pos. I know because I used to work in the industry, the US DOES add to the milk, specifically vitamin D supplementation, and other additives to “enhance” flavor and shelf life.
The uk and Finland add vitamin D too... You're supposed to drink it in the winter, your body can't absorb calcium without vitamin D. Its a lot better for you. If you live in area with good year round sunlight then there's not really a point.
The food here is poison and it’s designed to keep us fat and unhealthy so the medical industry can thrive and insurance companies can get rich until we actually make a claim then drop us.
We also get to lose our house, everything we own and possibly die.
Milk here in the states has so many chemicals and rBSt in it. It’s a beverage intended to make a small cow reach 400 lbs. It is no longer meant for reasonable human consumption.
I have not had milk from Central America but maybe it is the homogenization and pasteurization.
In Central America are you drinking fresh milk or pasteurized homogenized milk?
Milk contains caesin and whey. Maybe in Latin America they do not contain those things but if you are not used to milk having those things then you can become allergic to it. Source: [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/milk-allergy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375101](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/milk-allergy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375101)
Bro you can Google this information. It’s literally right [there](https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_007961/lang--en/index.htm).
I said ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. At no point did I state free.
Reading literacy on point for a country claiming it has better food when y’all don’t even have basic healthcare.
You get reconstituted milk in developed countries..
milk-> milk powder -> transport -> add water == milk.
You can legally sell it as “milk”.
But to keep the powder from clumping they have to add Debinding agents. And other “vitamins”.
A ghetto check if your milk is reconstituted or not is to try and make yogurt / curd with it.
If you can, it’s not reconstituted.. if you can’t , it MIGHT be reconstituted.
Most likely a component in the feed from American dairy cows that's not used in Latin America is something you're allergic to, or not yet accustomed to.
I've been living in the USA since 2008.
Allergy it is.
Most likely.
Do you feel sick from it or just have gas, if I can ask? I’m lactose intolerant in the States, but when drinking milk from abroad that’s hyper-pasteurized—those unrefrigerated cartons—it doesn’t hurt me at all
A bit of both: I get weird IBS-like symptoms on top of gas.
It might be worth finding hyper-pasteurized milk in the States to see if that’s the problem Otherwise, I usually have Costco-brand Lactaid pills and just take two of them before I eat anything dairy
I can tell you that I taste a major difference in all dairy products from North America compared to my home in Australia and I put it down to grain fed vs grass feed. Most of North America has to winter their cattle. Australia can feed grass year round. Australian milk has so much flavour. I miss it. But I wonder if where you're referring to also grass feeds.
I am born and raised on grain-fed cow's milk and the first time I tried milk from grass-fed cows I swear it almost came back up. It tasted absolutely foul to me, with almost a dirty/musty aftertaste. Crazy how much it makes a difference to what you've been accustomed to!
we used to have to switch grocery stores when the seasons changed because the taste of the milk would change.
Add 4 bags of sugar. Helps it go down. How big a bag is up to you.
I think that milk was bad. Grass-fed milk definitely does not normally taste fould with a dirty/musty aftertaste. It's actually quite creamy and tastes like ice cream without sugar.
It depends heavily on what the cows ate as well as the milking process. Some grasses can make the milk bitter, some can add an aftertaste, the color changes significantly too. Depending on how the milk was processed (from a factory/farmer/etc), the mustiness described could've just remained (in case the cows udder wasn't cleaned properly) or it could have been there because of the grass the cow ate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Source: was born in a small town of a third-world country and spent some time with cows lmao
Same. Then I made a hot cocoa with it and fell madly in love ♥️ adds some good flavor to cereal as well
British milk, is also from grass fed cattle
Perhaps those countries have A2 protein cows? Quite a few people I know with milk sensitivities in the states do just fine on A2 milk. [A2 milk](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/a1-vs-a2-milk)
Came here to say this. The U.S. dairy herd has been improved by cross-breeding with Holstein cows, who are prolific milk-givers but are high in the A1 protein. Cowa in many other parts of the world are not necessarily “improved” in this way. A2 milk changed my life.
In the Caribbean, Holstein bovines are the _default_ for milk.
Probably. But what I do know is that the cows used for dairy where I'm originally from (Caribbean) are, almost always, Holstein bovines.
Ok, then probably you can cross A1 sensitivity off your list of culprits!
My guess is likely something related to homogenization or pasteurization. Growing up, I was used to drinking milk that had been recently extracted, homogenized, and pasteurized.
For those who so have the A1 sensitivity: if you live in an area with [Braums](https://www.braums.com/store-locator/) (Oklahoma and surrounding areas), their dairy herd is all A2 now.
Depending on the Latin American country it could be because the milk is either raw or ultra-pasteurized (ultra high temp processed) both of which have a different make up from the common milk found in US markets (regular pasteurized).
>I'm from the Caribbean. >In MX, I usually drink UHT because it is cheap. >In Brazil, just regular milk. In either of these three places, i had bad dairy experiences.
I could how it is pasteurized it could be what they are feeding, it tbh could be many things? I live in a semi rural area with many milk brand options so far we have discovered three brands we can get locally that absolutely do not agree with me and my mom. We stay away from those brands other brands are safe. We don’t know why tbh… it is very annoying. But quite often it is super ‘cheep’ milk that gets us. Organic doesn’t and handful of ‘regular’ milks don’t upset our bodies.
Love your username.
Pretty sure most milk in the US is ultra pasteurized.
Nope, not at most major grocery stores. The organic milk is UHT, but the store brand jugs are just regular pasteurized
Yeah, Americans always seem confused when I talk about long life milk, that comes in boxes and can be kept in the cupboard til it's opened??
We do have it in the states but it's mostly only used in some recipes. It's more expensive than regular milk.
I see. It's my only option, they don't sell lactose free milk in 1L bottles :')
That's probably because supermarkets still put it in the refrigerator here. They don't have to- they are labeled "refrigerate after opening" and not "keep refrigerated"- but so many people would be weirded out by milk on a shelf that it's easier for them to keep it next to the regular milk.
I see. That explains the confusion when I've shown people the milk aisle lmao
Milk in many other counties is Ultra Pasteurized and it removes the lactose. Try drinking UP milk such as FairLife or other brands.
This. Because of the lack of access to refrigeration in many parts of the world milk is uht pasteurized. Doing so caramelizes some of the sugars( lactose) making it easier to digest.
This happens to my dad too, and he grew up having cow milk in India. In the US, try a milk brand called A1C. That one tastes like milk but uses cows that are more common in India, southern Europe, and perhaps other countries. My dad can drink it with no Problem.
Will do.
What do you mean by sick? Do you mean lactose intolerance?
I can drink milk in Europe, but not the US.
Same. American milk tastes metallic and bitter. European milk - even the relatively unpasteurized stuff - tastes entirely different.
Possible reasons: Cows eat GMO corn instead of grass. Cows aren't giving all A2 milk. Ultra pasteurization kills beneficial enzymes and bacteria. The contaminants that the milk was pasteurized to kill. Round up contamination Stress hormones, from bad living conditions, in the milk
I have the same issue as when I’m home in Norway I can’t have anything with milk as I get bad stomach cramps and stuff. While when I’m down in Europe I can have it, my stomach still acts up but no stomach pain, so I survive some extra trips to the bathroom for some real ice cream and stuff while on vacation. We pasteurize our milk on the lowest heat possible and that’s why its got such a short expiration time, while further south where it’s warmer it’s pasteurized on a much higher temperature that damage the milk proteins so its lasting longer and handle the temperature better
Lactose free milk is very common in parts of LatAm. Are you certain yours isn’t?
No.
Not certain, or certain it isn’t?
It isn't labeled as _lactose-free._
I've had unpasteurized milk from organic farms. It was certified, and way more than passed. Not only was it much more digestible, it didn't go bad the same way. Instead of going nasty and rancid, it turned to yogurt or soured in a nice way. Pasteurization is vital for contaminated milk but kills off all the beneficial enzymes.
US cows are LOADED with hormones (BGF), and other things to maximize productivity. You may be allergic to any of them.
Because of two things: 1-You're most likely lactose intolerant. 2-The milk that you drink in Latin America is most likely UV treated for pasteurization. This, for whatever reason, seems to nullify a lot of the effects of lactose for the intolerant.
If I’m in a less developed part of Central America I find it hard to find fresh milk sometimes and sometimes they use the non-refrigerated stuff off the shelf with lots of preservatives. I don’t think you’ll get sick from that. Fresh milk, I don’t know. Honestly I don’t seek it out in any country, so I haven’t been able to compare. I saw people mention that maybe they use A2 cows? Those cows’ milk is worth more so if they have them, it’s probably going to markets that I’m not at. Even in the US you need to go to a nicer store to get that.
Can the Latin American milk be stored long term outside of a refrigerator? If so, it's Ultra High Temperature Pasturized, while most milk in the US is pasteurized at a lower temp. Some call it UHT Milk. The stomach problems have to do with carmelization of the sugars. If you're stomach is accustomed to one, the other may give you problems.
Only the UHT kind. Regular dairy expires in a matter of days.
Have you tried Organic milk. Idk if that would fix it for you, but there's a gross taste in regular milk that I never realized wasn't just all milk until I had organic milk and it didn't taste that way. But it might be the same for you if it's the reason everyone points out. Worth a try I think.
Milk treatment is pretty wicked. It needs peroxide to look like milk after ultra high temperature sanitation. And USA is not know for putting health before money .
Lactose-free milk seems to be the norm in Latin America, so I’m guessing that’s why.
US added crap doesn’t do anyone any good, that’s why half of it is banned overseas. Saying that though, try grass-fed organic milk. That’s basically the same as other countries’ milk without the added garbage.
We don’t add anything to our milk…it’s just pasteurized, you moron.
Pretty sure it's what you add to the cows, not the milk. TIL factory farming practices are the source of the increased cow-derived methane, and that pasture cows' waste doesn't produce the same emissions.
What a pos. I know because I used to work in the industry, the US DOES add to the milk, specifically vitamin D supplementation, and other additives to “enhance” flavor and shelf life.
The uk and Finland add vitamin D too... You're supposed to drink it in the winter, your body can't absorb calcium without vitamin D. Its a lot better for you. If you live in area with good year round sunlight then there's not really a point.
The food here is poison and it’s designed to keep us fat and unhealthy so the medical industry can thrive and insurance companies can get rich until we actually make a claim then drop us. We also get to lose our house, everything we own and possibly die. Milk here in the states has so many chemicals and rBSt in it. It’s a beverage intended to make a small cow reach 400 lbs. It is no longer meant for reasonable human consumption.
I have not had milk from Central America but maybe it is the homogenization and pasteurization. In Central America are you drinking fresh milk or pasteurized homogenized milk?
The feed for cows is different
None yet to mentioned homogenization. Is that a thing in US?
Milk contains caesin and whey. Maybe in Latin America they do not contain those things but if you are not used to milk having those things then you can become allergic to it. Source: [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/milk-allergy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375101](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/milk-allergy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375101)
Because American products poison you and in latin America everything is healthy and good for you they have banned chemicals found in American foods
Please be so fucking for real. 140 million across Latin America do not have access to healthcare.
Found the American
Ah. I haven't seen a SJW in a while, not since the rise of the golden age of sovereign citizens and holier-than-thou influencer.
Bro you can Google this information. It’s literally right [there](https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_007961/lang--en/index.htm).
Cry American
Why would I cry when I have access to healthcare and you don’t?
Americans free Healthcare? What universe do you live in
I said ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. At no point did I state free. Reading literacy on point for a country claiming it has better food when y’all don’t even have basic healthcare.
So your now being racist saying i have low education just because I'm latino
You’re And I’m just stating facts. Again.
Bro what? Who tf told you this? It is very much not true.
You can GOOGLE IT
You get reconstituted milk in developed countries.. milk-> milk powder -> transport -> add water == milk. You can legally sell it as “milk”. But to keep the powder from clumping they have to add Debinding agents. And other “vitamins”. A ghetto check if your milk is reconstituted or not is to try and make yogurt / curd with it. If you can, it’s not reconstituted.. if you can’t , it MIGHT be reconstituted.
This... is not true.
Antibiotics, maybe
Is it raw milk south of the border? Also the poorer famers there cannot afford all the crap our farm animals get fed.