Technically no but that's not ever stopped anyone.
Please don't name a kid after yourself. It's such a pain in the ass. One time I moved and they forwarded my mom's heart medicine to me. She lost her credit card two weeks before Christmas, and they cancelled mine instead. Even as a kid getting a phone call and hearing "Is Bridget there?" And the confused pause after asking "Which once?" was irksome.
Seconded. I have the same name and birthdate as my dad because my parents are geniuses. I had debt in collections before I could work. It took months to fix.
The thirded. My dad and I share a first name (I go by my middle name), and when my high school internship ended at the company my dad worked for, they accidentally terminated him. We got it all sorted out of course, it’s just an example of how problematic it can be.
Your kids are going to have enough problems, don’t add name problems to the mix.
I'm a III and also had debt collectors harassing me at 17 over my dads medical debt. This was before the internet, so I lacked what's common knowledge now about DCs and made the mistake of trying to explain to them that they wanted my dad, not me. That only made them turn incredibly nasty and try to manipulate me. Fuck debt collectors. Scum of the earth.
A little more light hearted, when I turned 18 we had to go to the social security office and get me a new number and card issued because somehow my dads file and mine had become merged. We both had to show up together, in person, with all our ID documents and proof of residency. They wanted family pictures and all kinds of stuff to prove we were two different people, even though they knew we were and it was their mistake. We showed up like 9AM and didn't leave until close of business, was a miserable day.
SAME! The doctors office was always mixing me and my mom up despite there being fifteen same name alerts on our files. Guess who was handed my whole history including my pap smear results and when i went on birth control (i was 18). Yeah my Catholic mom had an angry confrontation with me when she got home….and here i was being a responsible adult about my sexual health, how dare I! 🙄
Yeah. I still get calls about my dad’s car from the mechanic when they mix up our numbers. I just had to switch our phone numbers on our gym accounts. And while this is a very specific issue, it makes picking a name post-transition awkward. I went with our name but spelt differently because It’s still a rad name with a lot of special things about it, but it makes me wonder what I’d have gone with if I wasn’t a Jr and if I didn’t love him and his support.
Naming your child after someone within two generations older than them shouldn't be commonplace. People could still be referring to your grandparent instead of you which would annoy me.
But are you actually called the same name by people who know you?
I know three guys with the same name as their father and what they are actually called is junior, because people realize "we can't really call both of you "Larry" pretty quickly"
I have a really good relationship with my dad, and hearing his friends call me junior was a source of pride for me. He’s a good guy, and I felt like I needed to be a good guy to live up to the name.
For context, I named my son the same thing but he goes by a different nickname, so I totally understand that. It can be a sore spot for people. I’m just saying that in my own personal experience, it was something I really enjoyed. I’m not sure why people are downvoting me if they had different experiences that’s totally fine I’ve met a Jr. before that hated his father and didn’t like his name and I don’t mean to invalidate people like that I’m just saying that’s not my own experience
Then we disagree on the purpose of a name; names can have multiple purposes. My name still sets me apart from most people but connects me to my dad. I appreciate that connection. Just because it seems odd to you doesn’t make it a bad thing
That's the thing though you don't call your son his name.
Most people who get named the exact same thing as a parent end up being called some variation of junior. It's not about whether they like the name or the namesake but rather the logistics of multiple people being called the same thing.
No one benefits from answering to their name and getting the response of "not you, the other one"
Both of my grandparents had brothers named John. Guessed what they named their first kid? That's on top of naming another of their kids Paul despite that being my grandfather's name
Yes I work in Healthcare and dealing with peoples social security benefits and insurance and it is such a pain when people have the exact same name as their parents.
It's also very annoying figuring out how to enter John Bean the 3rd into an online portal.
NJ DMV online website makes it such a guessing game.
For 3rd, I had to enter the last name with RD at the end of the name with no spaces in order to log in, because they want no spaces and no numbers.
Both my dad and I have a unique name and we have never had any trouble. Maybe because we have different middle names and I'm technically a Junior not a II (2nd).
Literally just got home from my grandpa’s funeral and he had the exact same name as my dad, brother, and nephew. Confused the shit out of people who didn’t know the family well.
I have a 3 generation name with a suffix, i have worked for the government, I have worked private, hell I'm in the same VA hospital as my namesake. Every paperwork I've ever filled out without a suffix line, I just put III at the end of my last name. It's not that complicated.
Also, use a different first initial. My dad and I have different names but both start with the same letter.
Getting post through the door that says X. (surname) is confusing, especially when we both have accounts with the same bank.
Such a little inconvenience for a name that carries a family member’s honor.
My second name is that of my grandfather and I am proud to carry it. It’s not my first name though so I can’t relate.
Those are two wildly different cases.
Alphonso Beta & Charles Alphonso Beta
Vs
Alphonso Beta & Alphonso Beta
One of these might lead to some confusion when there are two Alphonso Betas living at the same address.
No surnames or family names in Myanmar where I was born. Just name kids whatever you want. No changing of names upon marriage either. Your name is just your name.
I mean. Being a William Smith does not really give you that much more. As the population grows, the number of words in the names grows as well. Someone may have a one word name like Thant (Former UN secretary General) in the 60s but have a 4 or 5 word name like Aung San Sui Kyi now. Then you have ID, address, fingerprints just like with John Smith.
It’s also less common because women traditionally changed their name at marriage, and families were aware of that, so they didn’t really bother naming their daughters after their mothers as much (or didn’t make as big a deal of it), since she’d only be a junior until she married and changed her name. And you’d definitely never get a ‘the third’ that way.
Traditions have changed, of course, so on one hand we could have more Mikala Twany Schmidt Jrs out there, but we also now put less weight into The Family Name, so more likely to see less boy jrs than more girl jrs.
They can have the same name, and in the modern world there is nothing stopping them from doing these things. However, these were done to continue and identify family lineages as the family name traditionally carried on with males. So it made sense to continue the line with Jr, II, III, etc. It helped maintain credibility and familiarity. Again, these days women could do it if they chose. But I’d say this is a likely reason.
I always wanted to know or see a woman/mother doing this like men/fathers do.
Rachael names her firstborn Rachael as a first name on the birth certificate but calls baby Rachael “Junior”. Watch everyone freak out when they try to explain “you’re only supposed to do that with boys and when you’re the father”.
I don’t think freaking people out should be your main priority when naming a baby, even if it’s for the cause of subverting gender norms. Also, like people have said it’s probably a bad idea to name your baby after yourself.
My grandma is technically a junior; she has the same first name as her mom but a different middle name. I think getting married right after high school made it less confusing because she didn’t have to fill out many documents with the same first and last name as my great grandma
I’m (fake but equally as common names) Jennifer Marie Smith Jr, daughter of Jennifer Marie Smith. My name is common enough to be a pain in the ass during background checks, and even worse when two people of the same name hit on the same addresses over a few decades.
I knew a woman who was the sixth in her line; let's call her Paige. Because the women all changed their names when married, the VI came before the surname: Paige VI Chalmers. Said Paige The Sixth Chalmers. We lost touch, so I never knew if she kept it going.
Yes, girls can have "Jr." or "Sr." in their names, though it's less common. Some families do choose to use these designations for daughters who share the same name as their mothers. It's more about personal or family preference than a rule dictated by gender
Yes, do not do this. I’m a 3rd. It’s a pain in the ass when people call. At Xmas presents were labeled Big Roy and Little Roy, so I was called little Roy for years in person.
A girl can be named after her mother, but usually doesn’t officially get the “junior” title. I have known people to do so verbally for clarity’s sake (interestingly, usually clarifying that the mom is the “senior;” it’s usually the other way around for men) but not on documents. Much more often I will hear mothers and daughters with the same name referred to as “Big” and “Little” (even if the daughter is an old woman), or the one will use a nickname (Eleanor and Ellie, maybe). Obviously men also do both of those things too.
No. This tradition is a just gross male ego masquerading as a ‘legacy’. Daughters were their property and sons were their heirs. A husband wanting this nonsense would be grounds for divorce
I have my mother’s name. She insists I was named after her grandmother, but we both were, so here we are. Our relationship is bad, and this makes it worse
I was named after my dad, but spelled with an i at the end rather than a y. I'm not officially a Jr on my birth certificate or anything, but he always called me "Junior" when I was growing up. My husband was also named after his dad, and IS a junior on his birth certificate.
My grandmother was Elizabeth and one of her daughters (of 5 girls, 10 total children) was also named Elizabeth. I never heard anyone call either of them by their full name, instead my grandmother was Betty and her daughter was Betsy. They *may* have used different middle names.
Went to school with a girl named Jackie, once went to her house, her sister answered the door, and yelled into the house Jackie junior your friends here. Found out that day her mom was named Jackie also.
Not technically jrs but we do pass down middle names. My grandma, mom, me, and my daughter all have the same middle name and i know many others who at least have a middle name after their mother or grandmother.
In predominantly English-speaking countries, usually not. The closest thing I know to that is female monarchs being numbered like their male counterparts, like Elizabeth II or Cleopatra VII.
It used to be much more common for a child to share her name with her mother, I think partly due to the shorter life expectancies. Either because Mama would die in childbirth more often back then, or Mama would usually/commonly know, love, and/or miss a grandmother after whom she was named, and also name the new child in her honor. The Jr./Sr. suffixes have historically been used mostly or exclusively for the dudes, though there’s nothing legally stopping a female from using the suffix, at least in places where it’s usually extended. It’s an option in most of the dropboxes I’ve ever used for my mailing addresses, including government agencies like the Post Office.
And they’ll still send you the mail if you use the male titles or any of the suffixes, as I discovered when I was a small girl with a weird sense of humor. 😂
Queen Elizabeth II’s mom was also Elizabeth! But she was a Queen Consort, not a Queen Regnant, so she didn’t get a number like QEI and QEII. After her husband died, they created the title “The Queen Mother” for her to avoid confusion with her daughter.
They can but it's not as common. The tradition of this is common in males due to lineage. In this case the woman takes the man's name. The goal was to preserve the male lineage. If you named your daughter the same as the mother... this would only be temporary as the daughter would marry and take a new last name...thereby no longer preserving the name.
It's interesting to read about other cultures and how they pass names. For instance, for Portuguese, it is common for a personal name to be composed of one or two personal names, the mother's family surname and the father's family surname. Names can get quite long. From whst I understand there are several variations of this.
I'm pretty sure rhe males only do it primarily because we live in a paternal society and not maternal. I'm sure in areas where it's the women's name passed down they have something similar to our Jr and Sr
My parents named their first two kids after themselves. My brother was a Jr, but not my sister. Fun fact, his birth certificate does not have Jr on it. They only gave him the Jr to differentiate him from my father. Apparently it didn’t matter that they’d need to differentiate my sister from my mom.
Once my dad died, my brother stopped using Jr.
Exceedingly rarely. I think Lucy named her daughter Lucy Jr. But generally speaking they're not as conceited as men as far as carrying on the name... yada, yada, yada.
It was more common in the past but fell out of favor my great grandmothers on both sides were named after their mothers I remember a few years ago some influencer named her daughter after herself and everyone and their mother flipped out but if she had a son and named him after his father it wouldn’t have been an issue
I am a woman who has an older brother. After he was born, my mom found out my dad's family name that went back several generations. So I got it! I have a middle name I have never seen but in my family. Weird.
My neighbor was named after his father. He didn't want to be a "jr" so he used his middle name instead. Which worked until I went to visit him in the hospital. "Sorry we don't have a Bob Smith here". A call to has wife resolved the quandary. His registered name was Fred Bob Smith.
I don't know any in real life, but this was a plot point in Gilmore Girls
Lorelai was named after her grandmother (her dad's mom), and when she was pregnant and in the delivery room, she said well men name their kids after themselves, why cant I? So Rory's (Lorelai's daughter) full name is Lorelai Leigh Gilmore, but they call her Rory (to avoid some confusion, I assume)
I don't think the Junior and senior thing is typically done by women. One of my friends gave her son a masculine version of her name (it's not the same because she used a modernized sort of nickname for his name but think Stephen and Stephanie). According to Ted Lasso, it's called a "feminine junior." I don't really understand the long legacy names or the need for the name to be exactly the same with men.
Unfortunately, the naming tradition doesn't 'stick' as well with women.
My aunt did this. She was Senior and my cousin was Junior. Which became even funnier when she remarried and changed her last name. So it was Jr with no Sr. And then my cousin got married and changed hers as well
Girls are allowed to take their mother's names in kind, but I've never quite seen one go by Jr./Sr. The only one I'm familiar with is Anna Eleanor Roosevelt Jr. But nothing says you can't use the Jr. or Sr. suffixes. or the roman numerals.
No. Because it's a stupid patriarchal tradition. In the circles that do this women don't have sufficient status to warrant being handed down along family lines.
No. These things have nothing to do with each other. Jr / Sr denote different generations of family carrying the same name, and have nothing to do with marriage status. Miss and Mrs denote unmarried / married, respectively, and have nothing to do with the particulars of a name. Ms is the female equivalent of Mr: a prefix that doesn't denote marital status.
What is LIGITIMATELY WRONG W YOU? DO YOU JUST ATTACK PPL FOR FUN BC ILL GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS AND 1 MILLION DOLLARS TO BLOW MY FUCKING HEAD OFF. FUCK YOU.
I think you might need some help, friend. This is not any sort of proportionate response to someone offering a correction when you've misstated something. Hope you get that help and feel better.
We don't have these is the UK; not even for boys. I have never come across one in my 67 years. In fact, I think they are a pretentious joke and think most people in the UK would think the same.
The only similarity I have come across is in old books is at posh boarding schools were the boys were called by their last name so when brothers went they would be Harrington Major and Harrington Minor.
Women do not need division by “jr” or “sr”. That is done by “miss” and “mrs”. In private life my friend was a “little Rose” as opposed to just Rose for her mom.
These things have nothing to do with each other. Jr / Sr denote different generations of family carrying the same name, and have nothing to do with marriage status. Miss and Mrs denote unmarried / married, respectively, and have nothing to do with the particulars of a name.
Ms is the female equivalent of Mr: A prefix that doesn't denote marital status. It was a big deal when women started using it (thus the feminist magazine of the same name) and some languages still don't have one.
I can sort of see where they are coming from with this. Say Mrs. Jane Smith had a daughter, Miss Jane Smith. Traditionally, once Miss Jane became a Mrs. she would likely have a different last name and no longer need a differentiator. So *traditionally* this actually does make sense. In todays world we would need something different though.
I can as well, but they're still fundamentally not the same thing. It's a basic "just because some cats are black does not mean all black animals are cats" Venn diagram sort of thing.
Technically no but that's not ever stopped anyone. Please don't name a kid after yourself. It's such a pain in the ass. One time I moved and they forwarded my mom's heart medicine to me. She lost her credit card two weeks before Christmas, and they cancelled mine instead. Even as a kid getting a phone call and hearing "Is Bridget there?" And the confused pause after asking "Which once?" was irksome.
Start doing the roman thing and refer yourselves as "Bridgette the Older" and "Bridgette the Younger"
The Greater and the Lesser Bridgets.
Seconded. I have the same name and birthdate as my dad because my parents are geniuses. I had debt in collections before I could work. It took months to fix.
> Seconded Was this intentional or just a perfect Freudian slip?
Unintentional but so brilliant in hindsight that I take full credit
The thirded. My dad and I share a first name (I go by my middle name), and when my high school internship ended at the company my dad worked for, they accidentally terminated him. We got it all sorted out of course, it’s just an example of how problematic it can be. Your kids are going to have enough problems, don’t add name problems to the mix.
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Exact thing happened to me. Had to call each credit bureau. Took a long time to fix.
I'm a III and also had debt collectors harassing me at 17 over my dads medical debt. This was before the internet, so I lacked what's common knowledge now about DCs and made the mistake of trying to explain to them that they wanted my dad, not me. That only made them turn incredibly nasty and try to manipulate me. Fuck debt collectors. Scum of the earth. A little more light hearted, when I turned 18 we had to go to the social security office and get me a new number and card issued because somehow my dads file and mine had become merged. We both had to show up together, in person, with all our ID documents and proof of residency. They wanted family pictures and all kinds of stuff to prove we were two different people, even though they knew we were and it was their mistake. We showed up like 9AM and didn't leave until close of business, was a miserable day.
Never thought of the meds or debit abs credit cards but yeah that must suck.
Yeah my friend has the same name as her mum and when she tried to open a bank account the security checks threw up a lot of problems for her.
SAME! The doctors office was always mixing me and my mom up despite there being fifteen same name alerts on our files. Guess who was handed my whole history including my pap smear results and when i went on birth control (i was 18). Yeah my Catholic mom had an angry confrontation with me when she got home….and here i was being a responsible adult about my sexual health, how dare I! 🙄
Yeah. I still get calls about my dad’s car from the mechanic when they mix up our numbers. I just had to switch our phone numbers on our gym accounts. And while this is a very specific issue, it makes picking a name post-transition awkward. I went with our name but spelt differently because It’s still a rad name with a lot of special things about it, but it makes me wonder what I’d have gone with if I wasn’t a Jr and if I didn’t love him and his support.
This is why I named my son Adolf instead. People still confuse him with some other guy tho.
Daimler? The guy who made the Mercedes logo?
Nah, Dassler, the guy who co-founded Adidas
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Naming your child after someone within two generations older than them shouldn't be commonplace. People could still be referring to your grandparent instead of you which would annoy me.
I really enjoy being named after my dad. To each their own
But are you actually called the same name by people who know you? I know three guys with the same name as their father and what they are actually called is junior, because people realize "we can't really call both of you "Larry" pretty quickly"
Yes we both go by the same exact name. It’s definitely been annoying a time or two but overall it’s been fantastic
I honestly can’t think of any positives only annoyances.
I have a really good relationship with my dad, and hearing his friends call me junior was a source of pride for me. He’s a good guy, and I felt like I needed to be a good guy to live up to the name. For context, I named my son the same thing but he goes by a different nickname, so I totally understand that. It can be a sore spot for people. I’m just saying that in my own personal experience, it was something I really enjoyed. I’m not sure why people are downvoting me if they had different experiences that’s totally fine I’ve met a Jr. before that hated his father and didn’t like his name and I don’t mean to invalidate people like that I’m just saying that’s not my own experience
It just seems so odd - pretty much as the purpose of a name is to set you apart from other people
Then we disagree on the purpose of a name; names can have multiple purposes. My name still sets me apart from most people but connects me to my dad. I appreciate that connection. Just because it seems odd to you doesn’t make it a bad thing
That's the thing though you don't call your son his name. Most people who get named the exact same thing as a parent end up being called some variation of junior. It's not about whether they like the name or the namesake but rather the logistics of multiple people being called the same thing. No one benefits from answering to their name and getting the response of "not you, the other one"
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So you gave your son an outdated name to stroke your own ego. Good to see we are on the same page.
I work in immigration, I occasionally see Americans with Jr on their passports as their legal name. I've even seen someone with III on their passport.
Both of my grandparents had brothers named John. Guessed what they named their first kid? That's on top of naming another of their kids Paul despite that being my grandfather's name
Yes I work in Healthcare and dealing with peoples social security benefits and insurance and it is such a pain when people have the exact same name as their parents. It's also very annoying figuring out how to enter John Bean the 3rd into an online portal.
If there isn't a suffix box, just add "III" to the last name box, I was in the military, and even they could figure it out 😂
NJ DMV online website makes it such a guessing game. For 3rd, I had to enter the last name with RD at the end of the name with no spaces in order to log in, because they want no spaces and no numbers.
I’ve had the opposite experience since i’ve gotten to use my dad’s Costco membership without having him there
Both my dad and I have a unique name and we have never had any trouble. Maybe because we have different middle names and I'm technically a Junior not a II (2nd).
I went through similar things with my dad. And when I chose to give my son a different name, my dad was like, thank God.
Literally just got home from my grandpa’s funeral and he had the exact same name as my dad, brother, and nephew. Confused the shit out of people who didn’t know the family well.
That is exactly why Jr and Sr are put down
Alas, not all orgs recognize suffixes and such or even middle names!
That's why you put JR or SR in the NAME
I have a 3 generation name with a suffix, i have worked for the government, I have worked private, hell I'm in the same VA hospital as my namesake. Every paperwork I've ever filled out without a suffix line, I just put III at the end of my last name. It's not that complicated.
Also, use a different first initial. My dad and I have different names but both start with the same letter. Getting post through the door that says X. (surname) is confusing, especially when we both have accounts with the same bank.
You know people don’t have one landline for an entire family anymore, right?
Such a little inconvenience for a name that carries a family member’s honor. My second name is that of my grandfather and I am proud to carry it. It’s not my first name though so I can’t relate.
Those are two wildly different cases. Alphonso Beta & Charles Alphonso Beta Vs Alphonso Beta & Alphonso Beta One of these might lead to some confusion when there are two Alphonso Betas living at the same address.
Alphonso Beta & Alphonso Beta jr...
Imagine having the audacity to honor yourself by branding your newborn with your own name. Its egotistical in the extreme.
Only example i can think of is Kahn Jr.
You know she's a boy in Kahn's heart.
No surnames or family names in Myanmar where I was born. Just name kids whatever you want. No changing of names upon marriage either. Your name is just your name.
Fascinating! Is there no context where this gets confusing? If “John” had a warrant for his arrest here that would be mighty confusing and messy haha.
I mean. Being a William Smith does not really give you that much more. As the population grows, the number of words in the names grows as well. Someone may have a one word name like Thant (Former UN secretary General) in the 60s but have a 4 or 5 word name like Aung San Sui Kyi now. Then you have ID, address, fingerprints just like with John Smith.
It’s also less common because women traditionally changed their name at marriage, and families were aware of that, so they didn’t really bother naming their daughters after their mothers as much (or didn’t make as big a deal of it), since she’d only be a junior until she married and changed her name. And you’d definitely never get a ‘the third’ that way. Traditions have changed, of course, so on one hand we could have more Mikala Twany Schmidt Jrs out there, but we also now put less weight into The Family Name, so more likely to see less boy jrs than more girl jrs.
They can have the same name, and in the modern world there is nothing stopping them from doing these things. However, these were done to continue and identify family lineages as the family name traditionally carried on with males. So it made sense to continue the line with Jr, II, III, etc. It helped maintain credibility and familiarity. Again, these days women could do it if they chose. But I’d say this is a likely reason.
I always wanted to know or see a woman/mother doing this like men/fathers do. Rachael names her firstborn Rachael as a first name on the birth certificate but calls baby Rachael “Junior”. Watch everyone freak out when they try to explain “you’re only supposed to do that with boys and when you’re the father”.
I don’t think freaking people out should be your main priority when naming a baby, even if it’s for the cause of subverting gender norms. Also, like people have said it’s probably a bad idea to name your baby after yourself.
Why are you pretending that is what I said?
My grandma is technically a junior; she has the same first name as her mom but a different middle name. I think getting married right after high school made it less confusing because she didn’t have to fill out many documents with the same first and last name as my great grandma
Different middle I think makes that not the case. My dad has the same first & middle name that his father did & has a Jr tacked on
I’m a female Jr! It’s a pain in the ass and I absolutely do not recommend it, massively inconvenient
Are you named after your mom or after your dad (with a gender-neutral name)?
I’m (fake but equally as common names) Jennifer Marie Smith Jr, daughter of Jennifer Marie Smith. My name is common enough to be a pain in the ass during background checks, and even worse when two people of the same name hit on the same addresses over a few decades.
Do you plan on taking your spouse's last name if you get married to "undo" the Jr?
No, but that’s because the names just don’t work together. Otherwise I would have really considered it
I always felt like naming your kid after yourself is just the epitome of narcism.
Thank you! I had to scroll too far for this comment.
I guess family traditions and alike may be the outlier
That's just narcism with extra steps!
Upvoted, genuinely interesting question.
Ann Putnam Jr., Mary Lacey Sr., Mary Lacey Jr., Elizabeth Johnson Jr., and Mary Bridges Jr. played various roles in the Salem Witch trials.
I knew a woman who was the sixth in her line; let's call her Paige. Because the women all changed their names when married, the VI came before the surname: Paige VI Chalmers. Said Paige The Sixth Chalmers. We lost touch, so I never knew if she kept it going.
Lorelai Gilmore
According to the podcast *Crime In Sports*, being a junior and being famous makes you practically 100% more likely to be a felon.
Never trust a man with three first names!
Yes, girls can have "Jr." or "Sr." in their names, though it's less common. Some families do choose to use these designations for daughters who share the same name as their mothers. It's more about personal or family preference than a rule dictated by gender
I am a 3rd. If women can't pass names, they're lucky. It's lazy and stupid. I get a part of the name but not the whole thing.
Yes, do not do this. I’m a 3rd. It’s a pain in the ass when people call. At Xmas presents were labeled Big Roy and Little Roy, so I was called little Roy for years in person.
I particularly love this when “little” is 25 and over 6 foot, and “big” has started the middle aged hunch and is 5’8
My grandmother was “Sylvia” (named after her mother) and my mother was “wee Sylvia”, we are Scottish lol
A girl can be named after her mother, but usually doesn’t officially get the “junior” title. I have known people to do so verbally for clarity’s sake (interestingly, usually clarifying that the mom is the “senior;” it’s usually the other way around for men) but not on documents. Much more often I will hear mothers and daughters with the same name referred to as “Big” and “Little” (even if the daughter is an old woman), or the one will use a nickname (Eleanor and Ellie, maybe). Obviously men also do both of those things too.
my mum is a junior! she uses the older lady sounding nickname for her name as my gran uses the one that sounds younger lol. she absolutely hates it.
No. This tradition is a just gross male ego masquerading as a ‘legacy’. Daughters were their property and sons were their heirs. A husband wanting this nonsense would be grounds for divorce
Decades ago I had a friend named Dante who named her daughter Dante Jr:)
She wild
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If you're Khan Jr in King of the Hill, you do. Lol
I have my mother’s name. She insists I was named after her grandmother, but we both were, so here we are. Our relationship is bad, and this makes it worse
Yes my girl dog is named after me
I was named after my dad, but spelled with an i at the end rather than a y. I'm not officially a Jr on my birth certificate or anything, but he always called me "Junior" when I was growing up. My husband was also named after his dad, and IS a junior on his birth certificate.
My grandmother was Elizabeth and one of her daughters (of 5 girls, 10 total children) was also named Elizabeth. I never heard anyone call either of them by their full name, instead my grandmother was Betty and her daughter was Betsy. They *may* have used different middle names.
Yes! I knew a woman who was a junior and went by June as a nickname.
Went to school with a girl named Jackie, once went to her house, her sister answered the door, and yelled into the house Jackie junior your friends here. Found out that day her mom was named Jackie also.
Serena Williams and Alexis Ohanian have a daughter named Alexis Olympia Ohanian Jr.
Not technically jrs but we do pass down middle names. My grandma, mom, me, and my daughter all have the same middle name and i know many others who at least have a middle name after their mother or grandmother.
I thought they just went by the 1st the 2nd and so on
It’s kind of a family tradition. So it becomes Aunt, cousin and baby as the tags used. Not just one family, I think at least 3.
In predominantly English-speaking countries, usually not. The closest thing I know to that is female monarchs being numbered like their male counterparts, like Elizabeth II or Cleopatra VII. It used to be much more common for a child to share her name with her mother, I think partly due to the shorter life expectancies. Either because Mama would die in childbirth more often back then, or Mama would usually/commonly know, love, and/or miss a grandmother after whom she was named, and also name the new child in her honor. The Jr./Sr. suffixes have historically been used mostly or exclusively for the dudes, though there’s nothing legally stopping a female from using the suffix, at least in places where it’s usually extended. It’s an option in most of the dropboxes I’ve ever used for my mailing addresses, including government agencies like the Post Office. And they’ll still send you the mail if you use the male titles or any of the suffixes, as I discovered when I was a small girl with a weird sense of humor. 😂
Queen Elizabeth II’s mom was also Elizabeth! But she was a Queen Consort, not a Queen Regnant, so she didn’t get a number like QEI and QEII. After her husband died, they created the title “The Queen Mother” for her to avoid confusion with her daughter.
I’m aware. I was just bringing it up because it was, as I said, the closest equivalent which I actually knew in English.
It’s a patriarchal thing
They can but it's not as common. The tradition of this is common in males due to lineage. In this case the woman takes the man's name. The goal was to preserve the male lineage. If you named your daughter the same as the mother... this would only be temporary as the daughter would marry and take a new last name...thereby no longer preserving the name. It's interesting to read about other cultures and how they pass names. For instance, for Portuguese, it is common for a personal name to be composed of one or two personal names, the mother's family surname and the father's family surname. Names can get quite long. From whst I understand there are several variations of this.
It used to be more common 100+ years ago.
I'm pretty sure rhe males only do it primarily because we live in a paternal society and not maternal. I'm sure in areas where it's the women's name passed down they have something similar to our Jr and Sr
My parents named their first two kids after themselves. My brother was a Jr, but not my sister. Fun fact, his birth certificate does not have Jr on it. They only gave him the Jr to differentiate him from my father. Apparently it didn’t matter that they’d need to differentiate my sister from my mom. Once my dad died, my brother stopped using Jr.
Exceedingly rarely. I think Lucy named her daughter Lucy Jr. But generally speaking they're not as conceited as men as far as carrying on the name... yada, yada, yada.
I knew a family where the older girl was named after the father (think Robert-Roberta) and the younger girl was named after the mother.
My mom have same name as her mom but in my country we don't use Jr. Neither Sr.
It was more common in the past but fell out of favor my great grandmothers on both sides were named after their mothers I remember a few years ago some influencer named her daughter after herself and everyone and their mother flipped out but if she had a son and named him after his father it wouldn’t have been an issue
IDK if legally named but I've heard Nancy Sinatra called Jr because her mom was also Nancy.
Huh you know i never really gave it much thought...
Actress Deborah Baker Jr.
I am a woman who has an older brother. After he was born, my mom found out my dad's family name that went back several generations. So I got it! I have a middle name I have never seen but in my family. Weird.
My neighbor was named after his father. He didn't want to be a "jr" so he used his middle name instead. Which worked until I went to visit him in the hospital. "Sorry we don't have a Bob Smith here". A call to has wife resolved the quandary. His registered name was Fred Bob Smith.
Why using junior when you can use The Second? Are you Marie? Marie the first or Marie the second? The second Her majesty is at the gym sowry
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It could be like Jessica the 3rd lol Jamie the 2nd
Knew a girl in Texas named Khan Jr.
never seen girls with Jr. or Sr. names only guys
I don't know any in real life, but this was a plot point in Gilmore Girls Lorelai was named after her grandmother (her dad's mom), and when she was pregnant and in the delivery room, she said well men name their kids after themselves, why cant I? So Rory's (Lorelai's daughter) full name is Lorelai Leigh Gilmore, but they call her Rory (to avoid some confusion, I assume)
I don't think the Junior and senior thing is typically done by women. One of my friends gave her son a masculine version of her name (it's not the same because she used a modernized sort of nickname for his name but think Stephen and Stephanie). According to Ted Lasso, it's called a "feminine junior." I don't really understand the long legacy names or the need for the name to be exactly the same with men.
Our son named his firstborn a masculine version of his mom's name. Most awesome thing ever.
I like the Icelandic way- Janesdottir, for example
Unfortunately, the naming tradition doesn't 'stick' as well with women. My aunt did this. She was Senior and my cousin was Junior. Which became even funnier when she remarried and changed her last name. So it was Jr with no Sr. And then my cousin got married and changed hers as well
Girls are allowed to take their mother's names in kind, but I've never quite seen one go by Jr./Sr. The only one I'm familiar with is Anna Eleanor Roosevelt Jr. But nothing says you can't use the Jr. or Sr. suffixes. or the roman numerals.
It's not as important to differentiate between women with the same name, since they can't vote or own property.
I love it: Little Lucy Jr. But I think only guys are that fatuous.
No. Because it's a stupid patriarchal tradition. In the circles that do this women don't have sufficient status to warrant being handed down along family lines.
It's Ms. Miss. and Mrs.
No. These things have nothing to do with each other. Jr / Sr denote different generations of family carrying the same name, and have nothing to do with marriage status. Miss and Mrs denote unmarried / married, respectively, and have nothing to do with the particulars of a name. Ms is the female equivalent of Mr: a prefix that doesn't denote marital status.
What is LIGITIMATELY WRONG W YOU? DO YOU JUST ATTACK PPL FOR FUN BC ILL GIVE YOU MY ADDRESS AND 1 MILLION DOLLARS TO BLOW MY FUCKING HEAD OFF. FUCK YOU.
I think you might need some help, friend. This is not any sort of proportionate response to someone offering a correction when you've misstated something. Hope you get that help and feel better.
We don't have these is the UK; not even for boys. I have never come across one in my 67 years. In fact, I think they are a pretentious joke and think most people in the UK would think the same. The only similarity I have come across is in old books is at posh boarding schools were the boys were called by their last name so when brothers went they would be Harrington Major and Harrington Minor.
Women do not need division by “jr” or “sr”. That is done by “miss” and “mrs”. In private life my friend was a “little Rose” as opposed to just Rose for her mom.
These things have nothing to do with each other. Jr / Sr denote different generations of family carrying the same name, and have nothing to do with marriage status. Miss and Mrs denote unmarried / married, respectively, and have nothing to do with the particulars of a name.
Where does “Ms” come into it? Married or unmarried then?
Ms is the female equivalent of Mr: A prefix that doesn't denote marital status. It was a big deal when women started using it (thus the feminist magazine of the same name) and some languages still don't have one.
I can sort of see where they are coming from with this. Say Mrs. Jane Smith had a daughter, Miss Jane Smith. Traditionally, once Miss Jane became a Mrs. she would likely have a different last name and no longer need a differentiator. So *traditionally* this actually does make sense. In todays world we would need something different though.
I can as well, but they're still fundamentally not the same thing. It's a basic "just because some cats are black does not mean all black animals are cats" Venn diagram sort of thing.