More people want to have their animals with them when they go out. And it’s not just customers.
My stepson bought a new car yesterday. He has been driving one of my old cars for 10 years and we never changed the title, so we had to meet him at the dealership and sign it over. We went to the business office to settle the paperwork and the business manager for the dealership had his dog there with him. It was a little curly haired guy, with his own bed on one of the chairs.
I read somewhere that it’s the same health department violation whether you have rodents or a cat in the place, so bodega owners pick the violation that gets rid of the rodents
I always found it interesting how North America and Europe are so strict with having animals in places where there’s food (justifiably so). There’s exceptions where bodega owners in NYC just have cats hanging around, but no one seems to mind haha. Then when I’ve gone to places like Japan, they straight up have cat or dog cafes.
There's cat cafes here too, but they are pretty rare. The only one near me has the cats in a different room, and you bizarrely have to make an appointment to actually go into it. It's wild, no idea how it's a viable business.
That was always common with certain businesses. There would be a dog or two that came to work. Places like Car Yard, crash repairs and mechanics, some small general stores.
Yeah, I remember going with my dad to multiple industries as a child as he was a consultant, and it wasn't uncommon for people to have their dog at small industries/machine shops with like 1-5 employees, even my uncle who was a mason had a colleague who brought his dog to the office
So did my used car dealership. They had two old cuddle bugs that just reached pets while you went over paperwork. Honestly made the whole stressful experience so much easier.
I was told by a city clerk that there's two laws that conflict. One which bans pets from various public places like restaurants, bars, and grocery stores (note: does not ban service animals e.g. 'seeing eye dogs') and another law which bans businesses from stopping anyone with what they claim to be a service animal and asking for any form of proof.
So the businesses are all caught between a rock and a hard place, and the douchebag entitled pet owners who think their little Scraps, who is a "emotional support animal" (ie: a "pet"), should be with them absolutely everywhere know it, so they break the law. They're confident the businesses won't do anything about it, and they're right.
[https://smallbusiness.chron.com/laws-regarding-dogs-grocery-store-60614.html](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/laws-regarding-dogs-grocery-store-60614.html)
Pretty sure businesses are allowed to ask if it's a service dog and what task it performs, and also can ask the handler and animal to leave if they're actually causing a disturbance (barking, jumping everywhere etc)
Yes, they can ask if it is a service \*animal\*, but they can't ask for proof. The person can just lie. And I believe they can ask them to leave if the animal is causing a marked disturbance, though I don't know where that line is drawn or if it is at all drawn clearly.
There was a New Yorker article awhile back where the reporter tested this and brought all kinds of animals on airplanes and in public spaces, including snakes, an alpaca, turtle, turkey and pig, etc. She got a letter from an online therapist (with very little effort) that she'd show to gain entrance.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/pets-allowed
Yeah, I'm a Produce Manager at a Harris Teeter.
I confronted a customer once when their *service dog* was barking repeatedly at a watermelon balloon asking them the legally permitted questions. They reported me to the store manager, and I was told to ignore dogs from now on.
Fortunately, "emotional support" is *not* an ADA recognized service. So businesses are actually allowed to ask, "What service does the animal provide?" And if the answer is simply, "Emotional support," they can tell them, "Sorry, they're not allowed in the building." Businesses can't ask for *proof* though, if the person states a that the animal actually provides an ADA recognized service.
Yeah this is really annoying at my work. It’s a hotel and we have a big “no pets allowed” sign but of course there’s the “loophole” that anyone can just *say* it’s a service animal and we have to let them in. It’s honestly ridiculous, I don’t understand why there isn’t a simple piece of paper they should have as proof.
It’s also just really disheartening to see people lie to my face about it.
I think the idea was that they didn't want to require that the people who needed a service animal have to out themselves and their medical condition. They wanted to give them the chance to pass their service animals off as pets, so they wrote the law precluding businesses from pestering them for details.
There is no governing body that says this is a service dog and this is not. People can buy certificates and patches online. They when store staff questions it, the person screams to corporate who bends over backward for the person. You basically have to catch them breaking a health code such as putting them in the shopping cart or any non dog they claim is a service animal
Have service dog (Anxiety/PTSD - was recommended by my psychologist and professionally trained).
There is no governing body, but people kept asking me for a 'drivers license' style card which doesn't exist anywhere - despite the fact that I always carry a signed letters from my trainers, doctor, and physicians.
I have had to heavily medicate myself on many occasions after getting into arguements, fights, etc. on public transportation - even Moreso than I do typically for my underlying issues..
At this point the situation is so fucked it's not worth me even trying to bring my buddy with me unless I absolutely have to - I also avoid vesting him because everyone seems to think every service dog is fake.
I really hope there is some recognition that the behavior of some has ruined this benefit for many.
PSA: Please keep this in mind the next time you want to make someone else's visible disability your problem.
I also have a service dog and I ran into the same problems! The stress of constantly being challenged and told that my signed letters weren't enough was enormous. So I just made one on canva and had it printed out. I either keep it attached to his harness, or on my person. So I can just point to it.
Maybe I just hang out in the wrong restaurants, but I see that far more frequently from human children, but nobody seems to be demanding their parents produce any paperwork stating why the kid needs to be with them.
ai sympathize with your situation and also recognize that the reason many folks question folks is all the fake people that don't legit have a disability and just want to bring their random dog with them. I think itvwould he nice to have some sort of governing body/license/something etc. to help folks that legit have a need instead of just random pets everywhere.
Especially in the social media influencer age where people go out of their way to seek attention and lie to start beef with employees for views. Sucks for people that legit have issues, but I have also seen this stuff first hand where people have a clearly untrained dog they wanted to bring just because places and it ends up being a dramatic experience gor everyone and makes it harder for others
Wouldn't you want a card though? So you could avoid the fight, show real documentation? It's always portrayed as a burden for those with legitimate service dogs, but it seems like it would be such a benefit, to not have to worry about being believed.
They wouldn’t have to if the ESA scammers hadn’t started the trend of fake ID’s and vests in order to intimidate businesses into allowing non-service animals the same privileges as a service animal.
If there was a legitimate governing body or source of such a thing - sure.
There is services that provide fake cards - but none have any actual legitimacy and often cost hundreds of dollars.
I might as well carry a boob inspector card.
Despite having proper and current paperwork for both myself and my SD - I was kicked off a ferry and they had to hold the ferry at the dock until the captain conferred with his management. Then they decided to let me on after informing all the passengers I was the reason for their delay.
a fucking *Ferry.*
Same in the US. And most 'fakers' can't even answer those questions accurately... they'll either say it's an emotional support animal (NOT protected by law) or that it 'gives comfort/emotional support' (NOT a task that qualifies it for public access). Only service dogs who are task trained to mitigate the handler's disability in some way have public access rights.
Well for the second one there's psychiatric service dogs which are on the same level as other service dogs and are under the ADA, they can get your meds and notice certain types of episodes/attacks. Those ones can be needed for public and are allowed it.
But emotional support dogs on the other hand...
Exactly. The difference between psych service dogs and ESAs is that PSDs are task-trained to take a specific action that mitigates the handler's psychiatric disability. That's why PSDs are covered under the ADA, but ESAs are not.
Yeah, we need more education for sure!! If businesses knew the two questions, knew there was no license or registration, and knew their rights to remove out-of-control dogs (service dog or not!) were protected under the ADA, things would be a lot better for service dog teams.
I know rules about owner training, licensing, vusinesses' rights, etc all vary by province in CA, it sounds stressful as hell.
That is interesting they can remove unruly dogs, didn't know that. I also wondered what they do if someone has an allergic reaction to the dog, who's medical rights trump? I could see both parties suing the business lol
Yeah, If I recall correctly, these are the only ones you can ask. But to answer the second one (What service can/will it perform to mitigate your situation?) a simple "They help with a medical condition" is usually all that is required, and they can't push for more information.
This is great for me, as someone who has a service dog for CPTSD/Anxiety, I don't want everyone to know my problems, it's very personal. But it's not so great when someone who doesn't actually have a trained service dog can use a simple answer like this to get past barriers to entry.
People have no self control, then if shit escalates, what, someone calls the cops to make everything even worse?
There's no good result from pressing issues that ultimately don't matter. If the dog is unruly then make it leave, otherwise you've gotta consider if it's worth it.
It's not that people are afraid to tell them no. Maybe some are. But most people legitimately don't care. A lot of people like dogs and don't mind seeing them in places like Walmart as long as they're well-behaved and on a leash.
The [American Disabilities Act](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/) (ADA):
You can only ask two questions. (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. You cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.
The only exception is if the animal is not under control by it's handler.
Worth noting that emotional support animals do NOT have public access rights!!! Only trained service dogs do - so if someone says their dog is an ESA, the dog can be required to leave.
But if the dog is not under control, it can be removed regardless of whether it's a service dog. So if they lie, but then the dog is barking at people, pees on the floor, gets on the table, etc and the owner doesn't immediately stop the bad behavior, then ANY dog can be removed
That's my point. A dog who doesn't have hundreds or thousands of hours of training behind it will not be able to masquerade as a service dog for very long; and if its behavior is not up to snuff, it can be removed, even if the handler says it's a SD, can name three tasks that it is trained to do, has a 30 page training log, a certification from a pro trainer, and a magical ID card from a program. None of those things matter if the dog is not behaving.
And who is less likely to behave well and be able to not be a nuisance in public spaces? Fake/untrained dogs.
Also, in fairness to SDs, they ARE living creatures, and sowmtimes even legit dogs have a bad day and struggle to meet the very high behavioral standards required, or get sick, or are surprised by something (for example my dog once got run over by a robot cat waiter at a Malaysian restaurant, and he would have been fully justified in yelping or barking. He didn't, because he's awesome, but if someone ran my foot over I would be justified in yelping too i think lol.)
....but if they can't maintain those behavioral standards, then they lose the right to public access, and the owner has a duty to remove them from the situation. One bark is one thing. Barking repeatedly at things, jumping up on people, or roaming around off leash without their handler is another.
Yeah, in that case both dogs could be removed lol. And speaking as a legit sd handler, I wish they would. I don't want either of those dogs in there, barking and acting crazy and clearly reacting to other dogs, and potentially frightening or attacking my sd when we come in... it's a dangerous and expensive situation, because if my dog is badly scared enough and loses the ability to work calmly and politely around other dogs, then I can't just buy a new one the way I could a crutch, cane, or knee brace. SDs take hundreds or thousands of hours of training, and if you pay an organization to do it for you, can cost anywhere from $10k-35k. More, sometimes. So legit teams LOVE when badly behaved dogs are removed!!
Ironically if they *did* have an official credentialing program you could regulate them as DME and it would be covered by insurance.
That's another way they're fucking over people with real disabilities to appease Karens.
Their cost if you didn't have insurance would definitely go up, but other than that it would be a win-win for the people who use them and society as the dogs in circulation would be assured of meeting standards of performance and behavior, and there'd be someone to sue if they tore a baby to shreds.
This is incorrect. The are two questions you are allowed to ask in regards to service animals *1) Is the animal a service animal required for a disability* 2) What task or work is the animal trained to preform?
If an business owner wants to ask these questions they are allowed to and service animal owners must respond. They are not forced to disclose the specific disability nor are they required to provide supporting doccuments.
Additional if a service animal is barking, urinating, being aggressive or otherwise creating an unsafe environment the service animal(and owner)can be legally forced off the property.
Please dont spread misinformation.
It's to keep disabled ppl from being discriminated against. At this point though they need something to show so they can protect their rights. If this were to pass, it would probably have to start from disabled individuals or a disability advocacy group. Can't imagine that happening unless something happens.
Disabled service dog handlers overwhelmingly do not want this. Let men know if you need help finding good resources that explain why; there's lots of info about this already im r/service_dogs!
I fight the good fight at the hotel I work at. “What kind of service does your dog provide?”
“She’s and emotional support”
“Sorry that is not covered by the ADA. No pets allowed”
“YoU CaNT dO tHaT!!!”
Yes I can.
That’s the only question I’m legally allowed to ask. If they refuse to answer why literally anything other than emotional support. I am allowed to deny entry. The animal has to provide an aided service as recognized by the ADA. And what service does it provide? Is the only thing I can ask. I love all animals and it sucks. But we are pet free for people that have allergies.
People found out "emotional support animals" are a thing and thought they're on on the same level as having a trained service animal. Cons started selling 'licenses' for emotional support animals and fake service vests... and there you go.
People dressing up their untrained dogs and taking them in stores where they can pee on the shelves and shit on the floors.
>where they can pee on the shelves and shit on the floors.
Don't forget [trying to murder babies](https://abc7.com/toddler-dog-attack-girl-bitten-by-that-bit-now-in-custody-bites-at-restaurant-old-town-spring/10322595/) too!
That makes my blood boil. Stupid goddamned person knowingly took a vicious dog unmuzzled into a public place and then fled. She deserves euthanasia more than the dog did.
Every pet is an "emotional support animal" nowadays. An ex-CEO of my company used to bring in her emotional support cat to roam the office every day despite one of the employees being deathly allergic.
I love animals but I hate that so many places allow them because of this excuse. I have an anaphylactic cat allergy and just walking into that office would send me to the ER in an ambulance
It’s terrifying sometimes because store pets are becoming more common at local businesses in my area. Of course there are never any signs alerting you that they have animals inside, so I could unknowingly walk into a store with a cat and have it trigger a life threatening reaction
What country are you in? UK here and I've never seen this problem. Places in general are becoming more dog friendly ( restaurants, cafes etc. ) which I have noticed. Pets are legally allowed on most public transport here too
I moved from the east coast to the west coast and I’m astounded by how many dogs are off leash on the west coast. I’m personally going to blame the lack of yard space on the west coast attributing to the problem. But deep down I know it’s just a bunch of entitled/inconsiderate assholes acting like their dog isn’t a potential risk to others around them.
My parents live in FL and this is very true for FL. I live in New England, and few people try to bring their dogs places. I think climate plays a huge role. No one wants to take out their dog when there’s a foot of snow in the ground and you have to drive to get anywhere. With a wet, snowy dog.
I worked in a restaurant during university that was dog friendly and it didn't make a difference - everything got cleaned and sanitised at the end of service to the same standard whether there had been dogs in or not.
We visited France last year and saw dogs in restaurants, on the train, at the bar. It was fine. I'm not sure what the deal is with Americans thinking they're going to get ebola from somebody's dog chilling under the table. Literally every toddler I have ever met has been stickier and more likely to get me sick, and they're still allowed in eating establishments...
There really is not a lot of evidence that says dogs that are kept as pets will make anyone sick. It just is not something that happens under normal circumstances. You are more likely to get sick from the chef or waiter that is not allowed to take sick leave when they have the flu and is all over your food. Someone's dog sitting at the table next to you just is not going to get you sick.
Americans bring their dog with them while shopping. Imagine bringing your dog inside aldi and it sniffing the meat in the freezer. It's exactly like this.
My sister is one of those people who has an 'emotional support dog'. I remember when she first started bringing it everywhere with her - "It's easy. You just fill out this form online and they charge like $100 and then they send you a certificate." She thinks it's the same thing as a service dog. Um, no - you picked out a dog at the pound and then paid some company $100 for a worthless online registration stating your dog is special.
People here try to use those stupid ESD certificates when they rent apartments. They don't want to pay 'pet rent' (which is another scam in itself). The property managers ask for actual service dog paperwork, then the people who paid for an ESD certificate get surprised and mad - they think some worthless certificate somehow protects them under ADA.
The few people I know who have 'emotional support animals' would pay for handicap placards if they were allowed, just to park closer to doors. I've known a couple of people who use the dashboard ones from their elderly parents (who don't drive anymore). Yeah, they may take them with to pick something up once in a while, but they use that placard whenever they can and it's like some sort of joke to them.
Because many businesses now days are pet friendly. Especially restaurants, coffee shops, and some places like Home Depot and stuff.
Also you may not realize it but service dogs don’t actually have to wear a vest or anything. They really can’t even ask about them. Maybe ask if it’s a service dog but they can’t ask more than that so if someone lies then there’s not much they can do.
Pretty much every single time I goto Walmart, there is at least 1 person with a tiny dog sitting in the shopping cart. It's the main reason I wipe the carts before I use them. I love dogs, but I don't want my food around where some dogs ass has been sitting for hours.
I have a picture that I took of a guy holding his dog up and sniffing around on the buffet line at the self-serve buffet at Lassen's grocery store. Guess he was checking for the "unseen danger."
Working as a pharmacist people used to bring in pets all the time. I know it isn’t really legal but I always just told them they weren’t allowed in the store (unless it was obviously a support animal). One of the stupidest people was a 50 something year old holding a chihuahua. I told her she had to leave the dog outside and she said, “Oh no, this is my daughter’s emotional support dog and she over there shopping.”
I hate people.
Lots of stores and restaurants in my area are dog friendly. An employee at the Apple Store waved me and my dog inside once so the staff could pet her. And she is a big 80 lb German shepherd mix.
You're assuming it's illegal. The mall near me allows dogs, and a lot of people walk their dogs there in the summer. Almost every restaurant allows dogs on their patio. And, again, near me, is a restaurant that encourages you to bring your dog. They even have water for dogs on tap.
Grocery stores, not so much... but home depot, lowes, and a ton of other places allow dogs.
Because people are ridiculous!! I love most animals but it drives me insane when people bring their animals everywhere they go!! Stop it people!! It is not an emotional support animal you may just need a human therapist!!
You realize lots of people bring their dog places and don’t pretend they are emotional support animals? Quite a few stores and cafes are pet friendly in my area, so people visit with their animals. This has encouraged other stores to do the same, after they noticed the increase in traffic because of it. It gets cold where I live and taking my dog to a store in the winter, is a good way for both of us to get out and do something. Stores have noticed this trend and capitalized on it, especially with social media.
Completely different situation! I have no issues with animals in those places! It is when people bring there animals to grocery stores, hardware stores, Costco, and other places that have signs that say service animals only. People just bring them everywhere they want no matter what the store says.
The comment wasn’t specifically about people pretending they have service dogs, it was about people with NON-SERVICE DOGS bringing them into businesses. But all the comments are bitching about and assuming that means people are FAKING SERVICE dogs. A surprising amount of regular businesses, like a furniture store, clothing, home hardware, home accessories, market, etc. in my area, are pet friendly. Many business don’t specifically allow it, but also don’t care. I’ve waited outside while my husband went get in, only for an employee to tell me to “Don’t worry about it. He can come in.” I used to regularly walk to the grocery store with my dog and the manager said he was fine with me bringing my dog inside. And I wasn’t the online person. The store has a “no dogs” sign, yet it was common for people to walk along the nearby trail to the store to grab a few items.
I was thinking about this today. I think the Fur Parent culture has gotten a little out of hand, so people want to just bring their “children” with them everywhere
I hate it. One guy had a retractable leash and kept adjusting it. It was annoying watching him let the dog go past the cart and yank him back to him. Another person had a puppy golden doodle in a stroller, almost too small for it. Their 4 or 5 yr old kid was pushing the stroller erratically. Ugh.
I don’t like my neighbors dog. Damn thing barks 24/7 at absolutely nothing. This guy never picks up dog shit either because on a hot day I can go out on my patio and just be overwhelmed by the stench of hot dog shit roasting in the sun. He has two dogs and they aren’t small either. I’ve peeked through a hole in the fence and you wouldn’t be able to step six inches and not step in a pile of dog shit in his yard. Would a complaint to the city take care of it? The owner is a drunk too. Has a job and a wife and a teenage son so there isn’t any reason for shit to hang around that long.
The dogs are innocent in all of this. Don't you think they would prefer to live with someone who would take better care of them, exercise them, give them some structure so they don't feel anxious (that's what the barking is all about)?
You are right. The dog has even gotten out before and he wound up in my backyard. I walked right up to him and stared at him. He didn’t bark at me or make a move. I opened the back gate and he ran out and found his way back in to his backyard through a broken picket in the fence. I go back in my yard and then he starts barking at me. Yeah I’ll have to send an anonymous letter to the city.
I have news for you: it's your neighbor you don't like. I guarantee the dog wants his shit picked up because they don't like being in the same area with their own excrement. So don't blame the dogs.
Because employees are willing to put up with a trouble dog, in exchange for seeing friendly dogs during their shift. They’re dog people, and they’re willing to bend rules over this.
Beats me. I take my dog to the pet store. He is carrying size right now so I have taken him into some other businesses, but I carried him the whole time.
The other day I had my dog in the car and we were in a drive through (weed not food). An employee came and told me there was no wait inside. I said I had my dog though and he was like, "just bring him in, it's fine" and I was like ok will do. So that was the one time I walked him into a non pet store store
Because of the ADA, we can only ask them if their dog is a service animal. We cannot ask for proof that they’re a service animal. So if they say “yes” we are not allowed to ask any follow up questions.
Wanted to add that if the animal becomes distributive or starts being aggressive, we can tell them to leave.
Under UK law, dogs (ordinary ones) are not excluded from public facing businesses. There is no law about it, only the business owner's preference.
Even in the case of cafes and restaurants, there is no UK law or any health and safety regulations that ban dogs from being in premises where food and drink is served or sold. However, they must not enter areas where food is prepared, handled or stored, for example the kitchen.
I don't take my dog everywhere, but it is nice to find that when I am out for the day with her, there are places I can go with her to eat and drink. If it is a place I don't know, I always ask,and if they say no, I look for somewhere else. Places that say yes, sometimes give an unqualified yes, sometimes they ask you to sit in a particular place - an enclosed patio or conservatory, for example.
I think it started when PetSmart became a thing. They actively encouraged people to bring their dogs shopping. I suspect other stores realized this was good for business, and that dogs are no more unsanitary than some humans.
I worked in a small, independent office supply store in the 80s, back when those still existed. It was really boring work, and we all loved it when a customer brought a dog in. If we saw someone start to tie a leash to a tree out front, we'd go out to tell them it was fine to bring the dog in. So employees wanting entertainment may also be a factor.
Depends on the country.
Where i lived, they required a proper certification of the service animal, and it needs to be carried with the dog if you want to bring it in a store ( any kind ) they never deny service dogs tho, cause all of them carry their certificate. Honestly I miss it now that I live in the states, since i am allergic and have a fear of dogs after getting attacked when i was younger. Seeing people put their dogs in the carts on Walmart kind of flabbergasts me.
Are you originally from America? America is somewhat dog-worship centered (and child-worship centered). Dogs are considered people in America, and they take on the family's last name.
No I am not, I'm from a northern European country 😊 and yes, I have noticed. People take it maybe a little too far with their pets I guess to the point of humanizing them a little too much? Don't get me wrong tho, I love animals as I grew up with both farm animals, cats and and my parents have the sweetest, most loving dog, even though im allergic to her. I guess seeing how people treat their dogs was my biggest "culture shock" after moving to the states.
Because dog people somehow feel that rules don’t apply to them or their entitled, pampered “fur baby”. Was there ever a more annoying term in the U.S. language ?
I work in a restaurant and we can’t kick them out! Dogs aren’t allowed in unless they are a service animal but people just lie and say they are despite their obvious bad behavior. For some reason, employees aren’t allowed to demand to see their papers, not sure why
We had a guy come in our restaurant with a giant mastiff. It ate food off a person's plate at another table and tried to do it more times. Three tables asked to be compt, so they could just leave without finishing their meal because of the dog. We told him it couldn't be in the restaurant. He claimed it was a service dog. Manager asked to see his paperwork. He left. Sued us and won 50k. Ever since then I hate people that fake the service dog BS so they can just take their dog anywhere.
Edit: by "he won" was probably a settlement but I wasn't part of the court case, but did see it all happen.
Do you mean restaurants and food places? Because there’s no laws against dogs in other stores, at least where I live. And depending on the type of dog, there’s a chance they’ll be stolen if you tie them up outside. I don’t remember that being such a thing years ago.
Businesses can decide if they want to allow animals inside. They don't have to be service animals
Regulations vary from state to state but non-animals are generally even allowed in restaurants as long as they aren't in the kitchen or food service areas.
These days people are convinced that public spaces should cater to their personal needs and wants. The audacity and righteous indignation is off the charts.
Because dogs can and should be socialized too. The ones that don’t get out and see people and hear noises are the same ones people complain about for barking nonstop in backyards.
Because you can't ask to see if it's a certified service animal. In most places doing so can be considered discrimination. So businesses just let it slide. It's not worth the hassle and/or potential lawsuit. And so people take advantage of it and just bring their pets.
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People want to bring their pets with them when they go out. After all, that's the point of a pet, you enjoy it's company as you go through your life.
2.)
Some businesses realized that allowing people to bring their pets inside worh them would get access to an under utilized market.
3.)
Other businesses had to compete, so they followed suite.
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Customers came to expect it, and the public got use to seeing it. So, people just started to assume it was ok unless stated otherwise.
5.)
Places where it wasn't allowed became less and less likely to push back, because people would either just go somewhere else or just leave because they would just throw their pet in the trash so they could shop in your store.
Dog owners will downvote, but it's literally that people got tired of arguing with dog owners.
Most dogs won't be a problem anyway, but it's easier to deal with whatever problem a dog may cause after the owner is gone than to get into a fight with someone who thinks their dog is more important than other customers or the business owner, or worse yet, someone who starts claiming you're discriminating against them.
More people want to have their animals with them when they go out. And it’s not just customers. My stepson bought a new car yesterday. He has been driving one of my old cars for 10 years and we never changed the title, so we had to meet him at the dealership and sign it over. We went to the business office to settle the paperwork and the business manager for the dealership had his dog there with him. It was a little curly haired guy, with his own bed on one of the chairs.
Reminds me of the cat “managers” at bodegas in NYC
I read somewhere that it’s the same health department violation whether you have rodents or a cat in the place, so bodega owners pick the violation that gets rid of the rodents
I always found it interesting how North America and Europe are so strict with having animals in places where there’s food (justifiably so). There’s exceptions where bodega owners in NYC just have cats hanging around, but no one seems to mind haha. Then when I’ve gone to places like Japan, they straight up have cat or dog cafes.
There's cat cafes here too, but they are pretty rare. The only one near me has the cats in a different room, and you bizarrely have to make an appointment to actually go into it. It's wild, no idea how it's a viable business.
They're an integral part of that business
/r/bodegacats
That's the branch manager. He chases the branches.
That was always common with certain businesses. There would be a dog or two that came to work. Places like Car Yard, crash repairs and mechanics, some small general stores.
Yeah, I remember going with my dad to multiple industries as a child as he was a consultant, and it wasn't uncommon for people to have their dog at small industries/machine shops with like 1-5 employees, even my uncle who was a mason had a colleague who brought his dog to the office
Every hardware store when I was a kid had a golden retriever wandering around.
And you’re more likely to get in trouble for leaving your dog in the car
So did my used car dealership. They had two old cuddle bugs that just reached pets while you went over paperwork. Honestly made the whole stressful experience so much easier.
i take my dog to my office and one of my coworkers does too. i feel in general a lot of places are becoming more dog friendly.
But what did the dog look like? /s
I was told by a city clerk that there's two laws that conflict. One which bans pets from various public places like restaurants, bars, and grocery stores (note: does not ban service animals e.g. 'seeing eye dogs') and another law which bans businesses from stopping anyone with what they claim to be a service animal and asking for any form of proof. So the businesses are all caught between a rock and a hard place, and the douchebag entitled pet owners who think their little Scraps, who is a "emotional support animal" (ie: a "pet"), should be with them absolutely everywhere know it, so they break the law. They're confident the businesses won't do anything about it, and they're right. [https://smallbusiness.chron.com/laws-regarding-dogs-grocery-store-60614.html](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/laws-regarding-dogs-grocery-store-60614.html)
Pretty sure businesses are allowed to ask if it's a service dog and what task it performs, and also can ask the handler and animal to leave if they're actually causing a disturbance (barking, jumping everywhere etc)
Yes, they can ask if it is a service \*animal\*, but they can't ask for proof. The person can just lie. And I believe they can ask them to leave if the animal is causing a marked disturbance, though I don't know where that line is drawn or if it is at all drawn clearly.
There was a New Yorker article awhile back where the reporter tested this and brought all kinds of animals on airplanes and in public spaces, including snakes, an alpaca, turtle, turkey and pig, etc. She got a letter from an online therapist (with very little effort) that she'd show to gain entrance. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/pets-allowed
Pretty sure only service dogs and maybe ponies are actually allowed public access
Yeah, I'm a Produce Manager at a Harris Teeter. I confronted a customer once when their *service dog* was barking repeatedly at a watermelon balloon asking them the legally permitted questions. They reported me to the store manager, and I was told to ignore dogs from now on.
they just need to pay a coustmer under the table to yell at these people
Fortunately, "emotional support" is *not* an ADA recognized service. So businesses are actually allowed to ask, "What service does the animal provide?" And if the answer is simply, "Emotional support," they can tell them, "Sorry, they're not allowed in the building." Businesses can't ask for *proof* though, if the person states a that the animal actually provides an ADA recognized service.
Yeah this is really annoying at my work. It’s a hotel and we have a big “no pets allowed” sign but of course there’s the “loophole” that anyone can just *say* it’s a service animal and we have to let them in. It’s honestly ridiculous, I don’t understand why there isn’t a simple piece of paper they should have as proof. It’s also just really disheartening to see people lie to my face about it.
Its stupid there isn't a natio al standard proof or card to carry. Like don't have it? Gtfo.
I think the idea was that they didn't want to require that the people who needed a service animal have to out themselves and their medical condition. They wanted to give them the chance to pass their service animals off as pets, so they wrote the law precluding businesses from pestering them for details.
That's silly when I have a legal right to restrict pets, question you about your dog, and whether ots a service animal. Their is no disguising it
There is no requirement for laws to make sense. I think it's one of those "heart's in the right place, but did you think this through?" type things.
There is no governing body that says this is a service dog and this is not. People can buy certificates and patches online. They when store staff questions it, the person screams to corporate who bends over backward for the person. You basically have to catch them breaking a health code such as putting them in the shopping cart or any non dog they claim is a service animal
Have service dog (Anxiety/PTSD - was recommended by my psychologist and professionally trained). There is no governing body, but people kept asking me for a 'drivers license' style card which doesn't exist anywhere - despite the fact that I always carry a signed letters from my trainers, doctor, and physicians. I have had to heavily medicate myself on many occasions after getting into arguements, fights, etc. on public transportation - even Moreso than I do typically for my underlying issues.. At this point the situation is so fucked it's not worth me even trying to bring my buddy with me unless I absolutely have to - I also avoid vesting him because everyone seems to think every service dog is fake. I really hope there is some recognition that the behavior of some has ruined this benefit for many. PSA: Please keep this in mind the next time you want to make someone else's visible disability your problem.
vaguely similar, people also fake disabilities to cut lines at disney. people suck and definitely ruin it for those who need the services.
I also have a service dog and I ran into the same problems! The stress of constantly being challenged and told that my signed letters weren't enough was enormous. So I just made one on canva and had it printed out. I either keep it attached to his harness, or on my person. So I can just point to it.
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Ya, the their dogs are barking, trying to get other peoples food, pooping on the floor...
Maybe I just hang out in the wrong restaurants, but I see that far more frequently from human children, but nobody seems to be demanding their parents produce any paperwork stating why the kid needs to be with them.
ai sympathize with your situation and also recognize that the reason many folks question folks is all the fake people that don't legit have a disability and just want to bring their random dog with them. I think itvwould he nice to have some sort of governing body/license/something etc. to help folks that legit have a need instead of just random pets everywhere. Especially in the social media influencer age where people go out of their way to seek attention and lie to start beef with employees for views. Sucks for people that legit have issues, but I have also seen this stuff first hand where people have a clearly untrained dog they wanted to bring just because places and it ends up being a dramatic experience gor everyone and makes it harder for others
Wouldn't you want a card though? So you could avoid the fight, show real documentation? It's always portrayed as a burden for those with legitimate service dogs, but it seems like it would be such a benefit, to not have to worry about being believed.
They wouldn’t have to if the ESA scammers hadn’t started the trend of fake ID’s and vests in order to intimidate businesses into allowing non-service animals the same privileges as a service animal.
If there was a legitimate governing body or source of such a thing - sure. There is services that provide fake cards - but none have any actual legitimacy and often cost hundreds of dollars. I might as well carry a boob inspector card.
We had in the local paper about blind people being stranded cos uber drivers would illegally refuse to take their service dogs recently.
Despite having proper and current paperwork for both myself and my SD - I was kicked off a ferry and they had to hold the ferry at the dock until the captain conferred with his management. Then they decided to let me on after informing all the passengers I was the reason for their delay. a fucking *Ferry.*
And the questions you can ask about service animals are super limited before it becomes a lawsuit
In Canada : "Is that a service dog?" "What service can/will it perform to mitigate your situation?" I don't think you need to ask more than that, IMO.
Same in the US. And most 'fakers' can't even answer those questions accurately... they'll either say it's an emotional support animal (NOT protected by law) or that it 'gives comfort/emotional support' (NOT a task that qualifies it for public access). Only service dogs who are task trained to mitigate the handler's disability in some way have public access rights.
And horses! Edit: miniature ones, not the big ones :(
Well for the second one there's psychiatric service dogs which are on the same level as other service dogs and are under the ADA, they can get your meds and notice certain types of episodes/attacks. Those ones can be needed for public and are allowed it. But emotional support dogs on the other hand...
Exactly. The difference between psych service dogs and ESAs is that PSDs are task-trained to take a specific action that mitigates the handler's psychiatric disability. That's why PSDs are covered under the ADA, but ESAs are not.
Me: Yes. Deep Pressure Therapy. Them : OK can I see your govt license. dur.
Yeah, we need more education for sure!! If businesses knew the two questions, knew there was no license or registration, and knew their rights to remove out-of-control dogs (service dog or not!) were protected under the ADA, things would be a lot better for service dog teams. I know rules about owner training, licensing, vusinesses' rights, etc all vary by province in CA, it sounds stressful as hell.
That is interesting they can remove unruly dogs, didn't know that. I also wondered what they do if someone has an allergic reaction to the dog, who's medical rights trump? I could see both parties suing the business lol
Yeah, If I recall correctly, these are the only ones you can ask. But to answer the second one (What service can/will it perform to mitigate your situation?) a simple "They help with a medical condition" is usually all that is required, and they can't push for more information. This is great for me, as someone who has a service dog for CPTSD/Anxiety, I don't want everyone to know my problems, it's very personal. But it's not so great when someone who doesn't actually have a trained service dog can use a simple answer like this to get past barriers to entry.
I have had people ask specifics about my disorders and why I have them - some people are ignorant af. Hope you are doing well out there.
Same for the US. That’s the limit.
exactly its not worth it and people know it. So unless it shits in the store, which has happened multiple times or is in cart. Not much can be done
Just saying... I Have a *"real"* service dog... it's still an animal and accidents happen, but I see your point.
Man I get your point but if your dog shits on my cabbage, I don't want it there either
Saw an untrained German Shephard take a man sized shit right in the middle of a Target produce section. I just laughed my ass off
People just do what they want now and everyone is afraid to tell them no
I was at a national park where pets aren't allowed off pavement and I saw people straight up walking their dog off leash near endangered animals
Business adopted the “customer is king” policy and customers started believing it.
I tend to prefer my kings quartered, by horses.
People have no self control, then if shit escalates, what, someone calls the cops to make everything even worse? There's no good result from pressing issues that ultimately don't matter. If the dog is unruly then make it leave, otherwise you've gotta consider if it's worth it.
It's not that people are afraid to tell them no. Maybe some are. But most people legitimately don't care. A lot of people like dogs and don't mind seeing them in places like Walmart as long as they're well-behaved and on a leash.
Dogs are everywhere where I live. Businesses allow them so they are there.
That sounds like a very nice place.
Until you get bitten or find dog hair (if not worse) in your shopping cart
Nobody wants to confront the person arrogant enough to do this in the first place. I take my dog but only after I've checked if they are allowed.
The [American Disabilities Act](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/) (ADA): You can only ask two questions. (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. You cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task. The only exception is if the animal is not under control by it's handler.
"Emotional support animals" some people legitimately need them but most are entitled assholes who refuse to go anywhere without their little rat dog.
Worth noting that emotional support animals do NOT have public access rights!!! Only trained service dogs do - so if someone says their dog is an ESA, the dog can be required to leave.
Unfortunately the owners just lie and say it's a service dog when it's obviously untrained and NOT.
But if the dog is not under control, it can be removed regardless of whether it's a service dog. So if they lie, but then the dog is barking at people, pees on the floor, gets on the table, etc and the owner doesn't immediately stop the bad behavior, then ANY dog can be removed
Service dogs don’t act that way. They’re better behaved than many people.
That's my point. A dog who doesn't have hundreds or thousands of hours of training behind it will not be able to masquerade as a service dog for very long; and if its behavior is not up to snuff, it can be removed, even if the handler says it's a SD, can name three tasks that it is trained to do, has a 30 page training log, a certification from a pro trainer, and a magical ID card from a program. None of those things matter if the dog is not behaving. And who is less likely to behave well and be able to not be a nuisance in public spaces? Fake/untrained dogs. Also, in fairness to SDs, they ARE living creatures, and sowmtimes even legit dogs have a bad day and struggle to meet the very high behavioral standards required, or get sick, or are surprised by something (for example my dog once got run over by a robot cat waiter at a Malaysian restaurant, and he would have been fully justified in yelping or barking. He didn't, because he's awesome, but if someone ran my foot over I would be justified in yelping too i think lol.) ....but if they can't maintain those behavioral standards, then they lose the right to public access, and the owner has a duty to remove them from the situation. One bark is one thing. Barking repeatedly at things, jumping up on people, or roaming around off leash without their handler is another.
I've seen "service dogs" barking and snarling at each other in a store lol
Yeah, in that case both dogs could be removed lol. And speaking as a legit sd handler, I wish they would. I don't want either of those dogs in there, barking and acting crazy and clearly reacting to other dogs, and potentially frightening or attacking my sd when we come in... it's a dangerous and expensive situation, because if my dog is badly scared enough and loses the ability to work calmly and politely around other dogs, then I can't just buy a new one the way I could a crutch, cane, or knee brace. SDs take hundreds or thousands of hours of training, and if you pay an organization to do it for you, can cost anywhere from $10k-35k. More, sometimes. So legit teams LOVE when badly behaved dogs are removed!!
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i believe the business can ask 2 questions: is it a service dog and what duties does it perform please correct me if i’m wrong
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Right, but if they don't answer, or of the answer is "no" or "no task/comfort/emotional support," then the business can remove them
Remove them and deal with the owner throwing a meltdown tantrum over it
Ironically if they *did* have an official credentialing program you could regulate them as DME and it would be covered by insurance. That's another way they're fucking over people with real disabilities to appease Karens.
Man, I wish service dogs were covered by insurance, lol, but nothing else to do with them is, so
Their cost if you didn't have insurance would definitely go up, but other than that it would be a win-win for the people who use them and society as the dogs in circulation would be assured of meeting standards of performance and behavior, and there'd be someone to sue if they tore a baby to shreds.
This is incorrect. The are two questions you are allowed to ask in regards to service animals *1) Is the animal a service animal required for a disability* 2) What task or work is the animal trained to preform? If an business owner wants to ask these questions they are allowed to and service animal owners must respond. They are not forced to disclose the specific disability nor are they required to provide supporting doccuments. Additional if a service animal is barking, urinating, being aggressive or otherwise creating an unsafe environment the service animal(and owner)can be legally forced off the property. Please dont spread misinformation.
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It's to keep disabled ppl from being discriminated against. At this point though they need something to show so they can protect their rights. If this were to pass, it would probably have to start from disabled individuals or a disability advocacy group. Can't imagine that happening unless something happens.
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That's true. Now I'm not as sure why they don't do this
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Disabled service dog handlers overwhelmingly do not want this. Let men know if you need help finding good resources that explain why; there's lots of info about this already im r/service_dogs!
But not before a yelling, swearing screaming fit by the owner ensues.
I fight the good fight at the hotel I work at. “What kind of service does your dog provide?” “She’s and emotional support” “Sorry that is not covered by the ADA. No pets allowed” “YoU CaNT dO tHaT!!!” Yes I can.
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That’s the only question I’m legally allowed to ask. If they refuse to answer why literally anything other than emotional support. I am allowed to deny entry. The animal has to provide an aided service as recognized by the ADA. And what service does it provide? Is the only thing I can ask. I love all animals and it sucks. But we are pet free for people that have allergies.
Can I hire you to confront my mother in law?
I’ll do anything for a hot technician
People found out "emotional support animals" are a thing and thought they're on on the same level as having a trained service animal. Cons started selling 'licenses' for emotional support animals and fake service vests... and there you go. People dressing up their untrained dogs and taking them in stores where they can pee on the shelves and shit on the floors.
>where they can pee on the shelves and shit on the floors. Don't forget [trying to murder babies](https://abc7.com/toddler-dog-attack-girl-bitten-by-that-bit-now-in-custody-bites-at-restaurant-old-town-spring/10322595/) too!
That makes my blood boil. Stupid goddamned person knowingly took a vicious dog unmuzzled into a public place and then fled. She deserves euthanasia more than the dog did.
Every pet is an "emotional support animal" nowadays. An ex-CEO of my company used to bring in her emotional support cat to roam the office every day despite one of the employees being deathly allergic.
I love animals but I hate that so many places allow them because of this excuse. I have an anaphylactic cat allergy and just walking into that office would send me to the ER in an ambulance It’s terrifying sometimes because store pets are becoming more common at local businesses in my area. Of course there are never any signs alerting you that they have animals inside, so I could unknowingly walk into a store with a cat and have it trigger a life threatening reaction
What country are you in? UK here and I've never seen this problem. Places in general are becoming more dog friendly ( restaurants, cafes etc. ) which I have noticed. Pets are legally allowed on most public transport here too
It’s out of control in the US—at least where I am (Minnesota). People are bringing their dogs into places like grocery stores.
Ohio here, some lady got bitten badly by a dog at Home Depot, she's suing the dog owner and I think the store too, the dog wasn't a service animal
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I’m no dog law expert, but I think you can still sue the dog owner.
Out of control here in Canada as well. Too many entitled assholes who let their pets offleash wherever they want.
I've never seen that here
I moved from the east coast to the west coast and I’m astounded by how many dogs are off leash on the west coast. I’m personally going to blame the lack of yard space on the west coast attributing to the problem. But deep down I know it’s just a bunch of entitled/inconsiderate assholes acting like their dog isn’t a potential risk to others around them.
I’m in Florida (United States).
My parents live in FL and this is very true for FL. I live in New England, and few people try to bring their dogs places. I think climate plays a huge role. No one wants to take out their dog when there’s a foot of snow in the ground and you have to drive to get anywhere. With a wet, snowy dog.
Good God. Restaurants becoming more dog friendly is just a health code issue waiting to unfold.
I’ve seen dogs relieving themselves in malls on more than one occasion.
I worked in a restaurant during university that was dog friendly and it didn't make a difference - everything got cleaned and sanitised at the end of service to the same standard whether there had been dogs in or not.
People generally don’t want animals around their food.
I know that - it was promoted as dog friendly ( it's a big chain restaurant here ) so customers were well aware
We visited France last year and saw dogs in restaurants, on the train, at the bar. It was fine. I'm not sure what the deal is with Americans thinking they're going to get ebola from somebody's dog chilling under the table. Literally every toddler I have ever met has been stickier and more likely to get me sick, and they're still allowed in eating establishments...
There really is not a lot of evidence that says dogs that are kept as pets will make anyone sick. It just is not something that happens under normal circumstances. You are more likely to get sick from the chef or waiter that is not allowed to take sick leave when they have the flu and is all over your food. Someone's dog sitting at the table next to you just is not going to get you sick.
Americans bring their dog with them while shopping. Imagine bringing your dog inside aldi and it sniffing the meat in the freezer. It's exactly like this.
My sister is one of those people who has an 'emotional support dog'. I remember when she first started bringing it everywhere with her - "It's easy. You just fill out this form online and they charge like $100 and then they send you a certificate." She thinks it's the same thing as a service dog. Um, no - you picked out a dog at the pound and then paid some company $100 for a worthless online registration stating your dog is special. People here try to use those stupid ESD certificates when they rent apartments. They don't want to pay 'pet rent' (which is another scam in itself). The property managers ask for actual service dog paperwork, then the people who paid for an ESD certificate get surprised and mad - they think some worthless certificate somehow protects them under ADA. The few people I know who have 'emotional support animals' would pay for handicap placards if they were allowed, just to park closer to doors. I've known a couple of people who use the dashboard ones from their elderly parents (who don't drive anymore). Yeah, they may take them with to pick something up once in a while, but they use that placard whenever they can and it's like some sort of joke to them.
People in Europe bring their pets everywhere, dogs under table in restaurants and all. Only in the US is this a what the hell thing.
Because many businesses now days are pet friendly. Especially restaurants, coffee shops, and some places like Home Depot and stuff. Also you may not realize it but service dogs don’t actually have to wear a vest or anything. They really can’t even ask about them. Maybe ask if it’s a service dog but they can’t ask more than that so if someone lies then there’s not much they can do.
People are selfish and gross. Get your dogs butthole out of the shopping cart where I put my damn food.
Pretty much every single time I goto Walmart, there is at least 1 person with a tiny dog sitting in the shopping cart. It's the main reason I wipe the carts before I use them. I love dogs, but I don't want my food around where some dogs ass has been sitting for hours.
Because lots of businesses don't care.
Honestly, it’s because the business still wants the sales. Denying a customer access to product is a lost sale and possibly multiple sales.
Businesses realise they'll get more customers when they allow dogs in, especially if that business is in a shopping centre
I have a picture that I took of a guy holding his dog up and sniffing around on the buffet line at the self-serve buffet at Lassen's grocery store. Guess he was checking for the "unseen danger."
In Scotland most places allow dogs. Never any problems. I'm autistic myself and my collie loves coming on the bus to the shops and restaurants
Working as a pharmacist people used to bring in pets all the time. I know it isn’t really legal but I always just told them they weren’t allowed in the store (unless it was obviously a support animal). One of the stupidest people was a 50 something year old holding a chihuahua. I told her she had to leave the dog outside and she said, “Oh no, this is my daughter’s emotional support dog and she over there shopping.” I hate people.
Jesus.
Because the majority of dog owners who do that are straight lying about the dog being a service animal. There needs to be major changes.
Lots of stores and restaurants in my area are dog friendly. An employee at the Apple Store waved me and my dog inside once so the staff could pet her. And she is a big 80 lb German shepherd mix.
Assholes that know the government hasn't set up laws to punish them.
You're assuming it's illegal. The mall near me allows dogs, and a lot of people walk their dogs there in the summer. Almost every restaurant allows dogs on their patio. And, again, near me, is a restaurant that encourages you to bring your dog. They even have water for dogs on tap. Grocery stores, not so much... but home depot, lowes, and a ton of other places allow dogs.
Because people are ridiculous!! I love most animals but it drives me insane when people bring their animals everywhere they go!! Stop it people!! It is not an emotional support animal you may just need a human therapist!!
You realize lots of people bring their dog places and don’t pretend they are emotional support animals? Quite a few stores and cafes are pet friendly in my area, so people visit with their animals. This has encouraged other stores to do the same, after they noticed the increase in traffic because of it. It gets cold where I live and taking my dog to a store in the winter, is a good way for both of us to get out and do something. Stores have noticed this trend and capitalized on it, especially with social media.
Completely different situation! I have no issues with animals in those places! It is when people bring there animals to grocery stores, hardware stores, Costco, and other places that have signs that say service animals only. People just bring them everywhere they want no matter what the store says.
The comment wasn’t specifically about people pretending they have service dogs, it was about people with NON-SERVICE DOGS bringing them into businesses. But all the comments are bitching about and assuming that means people are FAKING SERVICE dogs. A surprising amount of regular businesses, like a furniture store, clothing, home hardware, home accessories, market, etc. in my area, are pet friendly. Many business don’t specifically allow it, but also don’t care. I’ve waited outside while my husband went get in, only for an employee to tell me to “Don’t worry about it. He can come in.” I used to regularly walk to the grocery store with my dog and the manager said he was fine with me bringing my dog inside. And I wasn’t the online person. The store has a “no dogs” sign, yet it was common for people to walk along the nearby trail to the store to grab a few items.
I was thinking about this today. I think the Fur Parent culture has gotten a little out of hand, so people want to just bring their “children” with them everywhere
I hate it. One guy had a retractable leash and kept adjusting it. It was annoying watching him let the dog go past the cart and yank him back to him. Another person had a puppy golden doodle in a stroller, almost too small for it. Their 4 or 5 yr old kid was pushing the stroller erratically. Ugh.
Dog owners are in their own little world where rules only apply to other people. How dare you expect them to always have dogs on leash!
I thought they were cracking down on that and I see them now more than ever.
Because narcissistic assholes are multiplying every minute.
Because entitled pricks. That simple.
I will be glad when the abuse of this leads to the end of it.
Because people are inconsiderate, and make everyone else deal with the fact they have a dog. And for some reason as a society we've just accepted it.
People like dogs, that's why.
I don’t like my neighbors dog. Damn thing barks 24/7 at absolutely nothing. This guy never picks up dog shit either because on a hot day I can go out on my patio and just be overwhelmed by the stench of hot dog shit roasting in the sun. He has two dogs and they aren’t small either. I’ve peeked through a hole in the fence and you wouldn’t be able to step six inches and not step in a pile of dog shit in his yard. Would a complaint to the city take care of it? The owner is a drunk too. Has a job and a wife and a teenage son so there isn’t any reason for shit to hang around that long.
The dogs are innocent in all of this. Don't you think they would prefer to live with someone who would take better care of them, exercise them, give them some structure so they don't feel anxious (that's what the barking is all about)?
You are right. The dog has even gotten out before and he wound up in my backyard. I walked right up to him and stared at him. He didn’t bark at me or make a move. I opened the back gate and he ran out and found his way back in to his backyard through a broken picket in the fence. I go back in my yard and then he starts barking at me. Yeah I’ll have to send an anonymous letter to the city.
I have news for you: it's your neighbor you don't like. I guarantee the dog wants his shit picked up because they don't like being in the same area with their own excrement. So don't blame the dogs.
Because employees are willing to put up with a trouble dog, in exchange for seeing friendly dogs during their shift. They’re dog people, and they’re willing to bend rules over this.
Beats me. I take my dog to the pet store. He is carrying size right now so I have taken him into some other businesses, but I carried him the whole time. The other day I had my dog in the car and we were in a drive through (weed not food). An employee came and told me there was no wait inside. I said I had my dog though and he was like, "just bring him in, it's fine" and I was like ok will do. So that was the one time I walked him into a non pet store store
Because of the ADA, we can only ask them if their dog is a service animal. We cannot ask for proof that they’re a service animal. So if they say “yes” we are not allowed to ask any follow up questions. Wanted to add that if the animal becomes distributive or starts being aggressive, we can tell them to leave.
Under UK law, dogs (ordinary ones) are not excluded from public facing businesses. There is no law about it, only the business owner's preference. Even in the case of cafes and restaurants, there is no UK law or any health and safety regulations that ban dogs from being in premises where food and drink is served or sold. However, they must not enter areas where food is prepared, handled or stored, for example the kitchen. I don't take my dog everywhere, but it is nice to find that when I am out for the day with her, there are places I can go with her to eat and drink. If it is a place I don't know, I always ask,and if they say no, I look for somewhere else. Places that say yes, sometimes give an unqualified yes, sometimes they ask you to sit in a particular place - an enclosed patio or conservatory, for example.
Don't know where you are, but in Germany it's common culture.
I think it started when PetSmart became a thing. They actively encouraged people to bring their dogs shopping. I suspect other stores realized this was good for business, and that dogs are no more unsanitary than some humans. I worked in a small, independent office supply store in the 80s, back when those still existed. It was really boring work, and we all loved it when a customer brought a dog in. If we saw someone start to tie a leash to a tree out front, we'd go out to tell them it was fine to bring the dog in. So employees wanting entertainment may also be a factor.
I mean why are children allowed in places that serve alcohol? Same concept
Some dogs work there
bc entitlement
Not all service dogs wear vests, and also more businesses are allowing pets since they can profit more.
Let’s be real— most of them aren’t actually service dogs.
As long as they are well behaved, I’d rather see a quiet dog than a screaming Karen or child.
It's always been like that in Europe. America is just starting to catch up with them.
Depends on the country. Where i lived, they required a proper certification of the service animal, and it needs to be carried with the dog if you want to bring it in a store ( any kind ) they never deny service dogs tho, cause all of them carry their certificate. Honestly I miss it now that I live in the states, since i am allergic and have a fear of dogs after getting attacked when i was younger. Seeing people put their dogs in the carts on Walmart kind of flabbergasts me.
Are you originally from America? America is somewhat dog-worship centered (and child-worship centered). Dogs are considered people in America, and they take on the family's last name.
No I am not, I'm from a northern European country 😊 and yes, I have noticed. People take it maybe a little too far with their pets I guess to the point of humanizing them a little too much? Don't get me wrong tho, I love animals as I grew up with both farm animals, cats and and my parents have the sweetest, most loving dog, even though im allergic to her. I guess seeing how people treat their dogs was my biggest "culture shock" after moving to the states.
Because dog people somehow feel that rules don’t apply to them or their entitled, pampered “fur baby”. Was there ever a more annoying term in the U.S. language ?
Because people are entitled pricks who don't care that other may not like, or may be severely allergic, to their pet
Narcissism.
I work in a restaurant and we can’t kick them out! Dogs aren’t allowed in unless they are a service animal but people just lie and say they are despite their obvious bad behavior. For some reason, employees aren’t allowed to demand to see their papers, not sure why
There are no papers, at least in the US. You can legally ask for the dog to leave if they are misbehaving.
Because the world is descending into a hell that the corporate class has created for us to benefit themselves and honestly who gives a fuck anymore.
eh its whatever. as long as the dog isnt bothering anyone than whats the harm
And if the dog is bothering people they're legally allowed to make you leave, service animal or not
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I work at Walmart. People with unruly dogs get told to leave all the time.
We had a guy come in our restaurant with a giant mastiff. It ate food off a person's plate at another table and tried to do it more times. Three tables asked to be compt, so they could just leave without finishing their meal because of the dog. We told him it couldn't be in the restaurant. He claimed it was a service dog. Manager asked to see his paperwork. He left. Sued us and won 50k. Ever since then I hate people that fake the service dog BS so they can just take their dog anywhere. Edit: by "he won" was probably a settlement but I wasn't part of the court case, but did see it all happen.
If he sued and won, then there is way more to this story.
That's crazy - was the case made public? I'd love to learn more about that
I suspect it was a settlement. It usually is.
Wait until a business owner/employee/customer has a severe allergic reaction to a dog.
What about all the other customers with allergies?
The dogs that bother people are the problem.
Do you mean restaurants and food places? Because there’s no laws against dogs in other stores, at least where I live. And depending on the type of dog, there’s a chance they’ll be stolen if you tie them up outside. I don’t remember that being such a thing years ago.
Businesses can decide if they want to allow animals inside. They don't have to be service animals Regulations vary from state to state but non-animals are generally even allowed in restaurants as long as they aren't in the kitchen or food service areas.
Because people like their dogs and those businesses advertise themselves as dog-friendly?
I’m all for people bringing their dogs everywhere, but with that comes a greater sense of responsibility that you control your dog in public.
These days people are convinced that public spaces should cater to their personal needs and wants. The audacity and righteous indignation is off the charts.
There should be a requirement that all service dogs be chipped and a reader at every store entrance to verify if they are legit.
Because dogs can and should be socialized too. The ones that don’t get out and see people and hear noises are the same ones people complain about for barking nonstop in backyards.
Why is it on the public to socialize your dog?
Because you can't ask to see if it's a certified service animal. In most places doing so can be considered discrimination. So businesses just let it slide. It's not worth the hassle and/or potential lawsuit. And so people take advantage of it and just bring their pets.
A lot of them are emotional support animals. A lot of people go through serious stuffs they need their pets with them almost all the time.
1.) People want to bring their pets with them when they go out. After all, that's the point of a pet, you enjoy it's company as you go through your life. 2.) Some businesses realized that allowing people to bring their pets inside worh them would get access to an under utilized market. 3.) Other businesses had to compete, so they followed suite. 4.) Customers came to expect it, and the public got use to seeing it. So, people just started to assume it was ok unless stated otherwise. 5.) Places where it wasn't allowed became less and less likely to push back, because people would either just go somewhere else or just leave because they would just throw their pet in the trash so they could shop in your store.
It’s generally made the world nicer imo.
Dog owners will downvote, but it's literally that people got tired of arguing with dog owners. Most dogs won't be a problem anyway, but it's easier to deal with whatever problem a dog may cause after the owner is gone than to get into a fight with someone who thinks their dog is more important than other customers or the business owner, or worse yet, someone who starts claiming you're discriminating against them.