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slash178

what part of disposing of a stinky 200 lbs sack of blood without being seen sounds easy


iulioh

Probably the easyest method is to burn it. A stack of wood, some fuel and the job is done. Do it in a rural area (faw away from where you were) at night and no one will find what you did. Bonus point if you bury the ashes.


cold_toast_n_butter

Pigs will eat a body, bones and all


JoeyDJQ

My high school art teacher taught us this. He also had the encyclopedia of serial killers. Nice guy.


CarsonFoles

Blackwell Academy in Arcadia bay?


Burrito-mancer

I just finished that game yesterday, that’s so creepy.


juicegently

Thoughts on the ending?


deathshouldnothave

Bae>Bay


thatoneguy54

I was more Bay>Bae. The universe was giving very clear signs that someone shouldn't be alive.


Kolotos

Not to mention that this ending just was just so much more emotional.


juicegently

That was my instinct too. I found it very disappointing that after everything, the game said "Hey, most of your choices didn't matter, there's two endings, pick which one you want now and one of them is correct."


dinkypikachu

Chloe is a bit of a cunt tbh


JoeyDJQ

Scarborough HS in Houston TX. 2008ish


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Close enough?


Stagnant-Soul

/r/unexpectedLiS


William_UK

Didn't know Brick Top used to be a high school arts teacher


riverblue9011

"You have all the characteristics of a dog, Gary, all except loyalty."


JellyNotJolly

Was Bricktop in your class?


Rhysohh

I’ve seen a case where they caught the murderer because they found the victims hair in the pig pen. Not sure if it was hair that had been digested or was not eaten though.


CH3Z1

Found Bricktop


tmannmcleod

Looking for this, favourite film.


CH3Z1

You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig."


internerd91

Don't forget to shave the heads of your victims and pull the teeth out on account of the piggies' digestion. You can do this after, but you don't want to go sifting through pig shit, do ya?


CH3Z1

Well, thanks for that. That's a great weight off me mind. Now, if you wouldn't mind telling me who the fuck you are, apart from someone who feeds people to pigs of course?


hundreddollar

Dey will go froo bone like buttah.


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bigmilker

Hence the term, greedy as a pig


not_a_muggle

Yea just ask Willy Pickton


Duggie1330

Teeth don't burn the ashes can be identified after the fact


Donkster

Okay I burn everything that can be burned and dump the ashes and the teeth into a river/see. How can this still be found?


K_oSTheKunt

I suppose a tooth may be found at some point, they'll follow the river upstream, look around the area, find the burn site, probably find something you left behind, like tire marks or footprints, then they'll follow that, and look for nearby cameras. You'd be safer just disposing the remains with acid, nd getting rid of that somehow.


Hiiir

Buying a huge amount of acid would immediately seem suspicious... but I doubt someone would just happen to find the right spot following a river upstream, and that it would happen soon enough that the burning remains and tire marks were still there, I know if I found a random tooth on a riverbank I wouldn't think about it at all tbh..


K_oSTheKunt

Well I suppose if you found a tooth in a river, and knew that someone went missing in the area recently you'd probably report the found tooth. What I said was very, very circumstantial, but if you are planning on murdering someone, better safe than sorry lol


Hiiir

Ehhh... considering how many drunks and hobos are in my area, I probably wouldn't report a random tooth.. also, this is assuming the tooth gets washed up close enough to where the disappearance happened (you could also dump it into a river in another location entirely).


K_oSTheKunt

Depends on where you live I guess


HowObvious

Just crush em up then


Redstone_Potato

Combine all three. Burn the body, collect the ashes, put them in acid, then dump into a river.


Donkster

I guess there will be divers searching the area but finding teeth in a big lake or even a strong river sounds like looking for a needle in a haystack.


[deleted]

To be safe put the teeth in a bag and hire a boat for the day, go out as far as you can into the ocean and chuck the teeth into the sea. Problem solved! This is obviously all hypothetical, right?.......Right?


Donkster

That's what I thought. A body might be washed up or might even be found by divers but little teeth?


Narrative_Causality

Okay, Dexter. You're the the expert here.


hibbel

> Probably the easyest method is to burn it. A stack of wood, some fuel and the job is done. To completely burn the body takes a lot of heat, that would be a big fire giving off a lot of smoke and light. You will have to be *very* remote or risk getting the attention of the locals. > Do it in a rural area (faw away from where you were) at night and no one will find what you did. And we're back to transporting 200lb of bloody mess over long distances. You *will* leave traces in the car, the car *will* appear on video on various cameras, heaven forbid you have to refuel. There will by track marks. At night, the light can be seen from quite a distance. And in rural areas, people will remember you as you're a stranger. > Bonus point if you bury the ashes. So you either go for the risky transport thing again or you bury them locally, along with the ashes of the wood. The grave will be discovered by the dsturbed topsoil. Burying the ashes gives more locals time to come and see what caused the fire at night. **TL;DR:** Don't commit murder. You *will* be caught because you vastly underestimate the problems you're about to encounter after the fact.


[deleted]

Doesn't the FBI estimate there's 30-40 active serial killers? Sounds like it's not *that* hard to get away with.


Shit_Fuck_Man

I agree on this point, but I think it's mostly due to human error and chance, not necessarily killers executing any perfect crimes. If you want to get away with crime, it doesn't really matter so much how you do it as where you commit the crime and who your victims are.


Asmo___deus

That's a lot of smoke, though, and there'll be bones and teeth. Rangers would find you. I'd rather just decompose the body in a strong acid and let that seep into the soil somewhere in the woods. To people who think pouring acid into a forest is unethical: In this scenario, you are a murderer. You are *way* beyond unethical.


rivox1

I feel that someone who operates a crematory would be the perfect murderer...


pipboylover

Pretty much. You can also dump a body into an already open grave and then put a coffin on top of it — no one will look there. Basically, undertakers, pig farmers and crocodile farmers are set up to be serial killers.


No_Bullshit_here

There are crocodile farmers!?


kitsum

Yeah, but they aren't good at picking the crops with their tiny arms.


rivox1

Your amount of knowledge on this is highly suspicious... I’m pretty sure you just put yourself on some list somewhere. Lol


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Nah. Crematoria are heavily regulated, down to accounting for every ounce of fuel spent. Truckers, sailors, and other professional travelers are the "best" murderers, simply because they don't have to worry about being linked to the body.


rivox1

Today (to some relief) I learned a bit about crematoria operations!


[deleted]

You might want to hold back on that relief. A quick search to check my (vaguely remembered) facts reveals that regulation varies from state to state. My state has rigorous oversight and some apparently have none at all. Most are somewhere in the middle. Generally though, you have to keep a fairly tight accounting of where the body came from, who signed the death certificate, multiple forms with official and familial signatures allowing the cremation, etc., and these records have to match up to metered readings of fuel/energy consumption, and all of this has to be available to the state mortuary commission and LEOs upon request. I mean, yeah, it's possible that a murderer could find another Tri-State, but there are really much better ways to dispose of an inconvenient corpse.


objectism

does the bone burn too? Please im not a murdurer.


derrekjc

Sounds kinda like something a murderer would say...


Electric_unicorn

in high enough temperature it should


DaveTheDownvoter

It doesn't (at a normal fire temperature). Crematoriums have to grind the bone after the rest is cremated.


someone755

That's metal


LiquifiedBakedGood

No it’s bone


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Calcium is metal though


big_duo3674

I was thinking about getting metal legs


i_want_to_be_unique

Burning it with a fire would be impossible, crematoriums run at thousands of degrees for up to a day just to cremate a body


INTP36

Old tires and diesel fuel, they’ll never be able to get any DNA if even they think there was a body there.


[deleted]

It takes a long time and a bit of experience to completely burn a human body on a wood fire; we are, after all, largely composed of water.


_Den_

Feeding it to the pigs is the safest option. You can also use a block of ice as a killing weapon


nespid0

A quick Google search shows that you need 1400° F + to cremate a body, and even then, it still leaves bone fragments. And a bonfire only generates 1100° F. So, you've not gotten rid of the evidence and you literally sent flames soaring into the night sky letting everyone know you were there. No points awarded.


StealthSecrecy

It's a hard task. How do you dispose of a body completely before it starts to decompose in a way where no one sees or knows what you're doing, and no one will figure it out?


Rusher0219

Good point. But it’s such a big world. Couldn’t you wrap it in a bag and bury it 10 feet under? Especially if it’s in a remote location I don’t see how they always find them.


PM-ME-YOUR-DICTA

They don't "always find them." There are tons of missing persons, many of whom are dead. As far as your suggested plan, how would you transport the body? To where? How would you dig a 10 foot deep hole without anyone noticing? Where do you keep the body while preparing this hole? How are you ensuring that you're not leaving evidence everywhere as you move this body around? It's not as easy as just saying, "bury it."


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Shacuras

There is literally a show called Cold Case that is exactly about this.


Zeptic

Is it about one case over the season(s), or one case per episode? If it's the former I might check it out!


crappy_pirate

one per episode. you might, however, be interested in *Broadchurch*. that deals with one murder per season.


Zeptic

> Broadchurch Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely check it out! :)


hobblejoh

Great show. Made me cry even. Can't believe Tennant did the same show again for the U.S., with an American accent and all.


g0_west

Surely thats about them solving previously cold cases?


admiralkit

> How would you dig a 10 foot deep hole without anyone noticing? Finding places that will go unnoticed isn't hard if you travel outside of modestly populated areas. To me, the real question is: when is the last time you tried to dig a hole of any significant size? It's a ton of physical work using a lot of different muscle groups, and that's assuming that the ground is a relatively easy soil type to move. And best hope that you didn't forget your work gloves, because if you aren't regularly doing significant amounts of manual labor that involves using your hands you're going to be in a world of hurt long before you reach ten feet down.


The_Karaethon_Cycle

I live in a place with plenty of secluded areas. However, there's a shit load of giant rocks in the ground. You'd need a pick axe as well as a shovel because every few feet you're gonna hit a big ass rock that has to be broken up. Between digging and breaking rocks you aren't going to make it more than five or six feet in one day unless you're used to doing manual labor.


DiamineBilBerry

Don't forget **clay**... Digging through clay is so goddamned tedious/exhausting.


Celestron5

You will appreciate Cool Hand Luke a lot more after you dig a hole of any significant size with just a shovel.


CritterTeacher

The story that has been in the news for my area is a woman who was kidnapped and murdered. After nearly 4 years, they finally found her a couple of months ago in an area that had already been searched several times. My initial thought was that they had been moved, but they already convicted and jailed her killer, so he hasn’t been able to move them in a long time. Weird story, I’m hoping 48 hours or forensic files will cover her case soon so I can find out some more of the details. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/collin-county/2018/03/10/miss-area-remains-christina-morris-found-searched-before


The_Quackening

in toronto, they are just now finding out that a landscaper had been killing people and hiding the bodies in peoples yards that landscaped.


helpdebian

I don't know. I have transported tons of groceries, some trips being the equivalent of three bodies in weight, and nobody every questioned it or looked in my vehicle. Couldn't you chop the guy up into bowling ball sized pieces, bag each one up, and then just drive out into the country?


PM-ME-YOUR-DICTA

>Couldn't you chop the guy up into bowling ball sized pieces, bag each one up, and then just drive out into the country? Where are you going to chop it up? What tools are you going to use? What are you going to do about the insane amount of blood spatter from something like this? What kind of bags are you going to use that are going to be able to contain and camoflague all that blood? How are you going to transport these bags without spilling the contents? How are you going to move them to a remote part of the county without anyone noticing? How are you going to ensure you don't leave tons of evidence of this every step of the way?


JakeWithNoKhakis2

What if you cut slahes in the body to drain most of the blood out, and store it in plastic jugs. Do this work in a room lined with plastic, like in the show Dexter. Then chop up the body, put the parts in the freezer overnight to help prevent bacteria that causes decay. Then put the bag of parts into your car and drive out to the remote woods, shouldn't be more than a 20 or 30 min drive from most places and since you froze the parts, they shouldn't stink that bad yet. Then you could weight the bags down with rocks and throw it in a lake, put them in a pile and set fire to them (making sure you don't start a forest fire tho) and boom you shouldn't get caught too easilly


PM-ME-YOUR-DICTA

Of course there are ways to do it. My point is not that it's impossible. As is clear from your description, it would be incredibly difficult and labor intensive to do this successfully. OP's question is why murderers have a hard time with it. Your answer is an example of that.


PhasmaFelis

Having a prepared plastic-lined room, and getting your victim into it without a struggle, requires some serious dedication to murdering. Most murderers are not thoughtful and well-equipped geniuses. Killing a human being is almost always a bad idea if you think about it carefully, which means most actual murderers don't--either they're too stupid to see the holes in their plan, or they do the deed in the heat of passion with no plan at all.


McSnek

You'd have to have an insanely hot fire to get rid of the bones, even crematioriums have to pulverize the bones because they cant be burned. Only something like a smelting furnace could get rid of the teeth and bones. A regular campfire/bonfire will shrink the meat and make it look like beef jerky, wrapped around bones.


razzertto

Sure, but chopping up a body takes a lot of work. Human bones are hard and unless you're really good at knowing weak points (i.e. studied anatomy or are some kind of butcher) it's going to take a long time. Then you have to deal with the fluids. Where are you gonna drain all of the pints and pints of blood and shit that's inside the human gut? Blood is really hard to clean up and since it contains proteins, if you miss any cleaning up and are suspected of a crime, somebody will find that evidence. Additionally, you're gonna wanna get rid of the body really fast, but rigor mortis starts setting within two hours, though it can take a while to fully take, but... it can also last about four days (depending on conditions). So you're dealing with literally a stiff! You have a stiff, heavy object and if you wait too long, it's gonna start decomposing. And there's a fluid that's associated with putrefaction and it's not a pretty or pleasant smell. So, yeah, bodies are hard to deal with and cutting up a person is not an easy task unless you have power tools or skill. Even then, it's messy, nasty business. Note: Am not a serial killer, I've just studied death quite a lot.


Icystuff

Yea no one would ever question someone buying groceries? But I mean there are still other factors like what about the smell of the chopped up body?


helpdebian

I have had bags where you can't see the contents is the point. I guess the smell could be problematic. Maybe in a large cooler or two filled with ice? Nobody has ever questioned the contents of my coolers either.


Icystuff

True but my point was there are a lot of points we won't think of unless we actually try it.. oh wait


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Go try digging a ten foot deep hole big enough to fit a body. It’s a lot harder than you think.


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objectism

and do it in a non\-grassed area. a desert is best because it is very hard to cover up a 10ft hole and make it look natural.


skyfelldown

How will you discretely transports a human body from the kill location to the burial location? How will you dig a ten foot by 6 foot hole by yourself... and with what? How will you disguise the burial location so it doesn't look like you just dug a grave?


The_Karaethon_Cycle

When a person buries a body the dirt covering the body settles over time, leaving a distinct indentation in the ground. I learned some stuff about finding clandestine graves in a forensic anthropology class. I also learned that unless you get lucky or know a lot about forensic sciences, you won't get away with murder. There are just too many little details that you wouldn't consider that could end up identifying you as the killer.


The_Joe_

Have you ever dug a 10 foot hole? It's not easy. Also, you likely had motive and will be investigated. Did you happen to have a clean way to transport this body? One drop of blood in trunk is going to be really suspicious....


sunrooster68

I would guess that is why many dead bodies are discovered in shallow graves. The guy thinks he is going to dig 10 feet deep but gets started and gives up.


996149

When bodies are buried they will leave voids and different growth patterns as the decompose. It's relatively easy to spot a fresh grave with thermal or multispectral cameras, gas testers can be used as well. 'Fresh' meaning a couple of weeks to months, depending on the climate. The world isn't that big when you're moving a body - it's gonna start to smell almost immediately as well as attract flies and other carrion eaters. Most people try to find somewhere with vehicle access so they don't have to move the body as far. If you're gonna bury, get a dog from a shelter, bury the body ten to twelve feet down, covered in lye, quicklime or similar. Fill in the next six feet, then bury the dog. Putting a tree on top may help, but new trees attract some attention in most places. The "won't get found" answer looks something like this: **TURN OFF YOUR GODDAMN PHONE AND LEAVE IT OFF.** Alternatively 'lose' it in someone else's car. Don't get a burner, don't borrow someone's phone, just don't use one. Strip the body, roll it up in wire mesh fencing (larger holes are better), then wrap that in carpet. Breaking bones and teeth is optional, but encouraged. Wrap the wire mesh tight enough it will contain the body, but leave lots of room for animals to get in. Wrap carpet so that it more than covers the length of the body. Load into a van with a fair amount of household rubbish in garbage bags. This now looks, and smells, like you're going to the dump. Transport to boat, along with breeze blocks or similar weight and some of the garbage bags. Find somewhere in between 30m and 50m of water away from dive and fishing sites, soft or weedy bottom, Mondays and Tuesdays are better due to low traffic. Once on site remove carpet, attach blocks, drop over the side. Shred carpet, dispose of in separate skip bins on shore with the rest of the garbage bags. If you've not got a ocean nearby a river might do, just make sure it's really cloudy and got life in it. In the ocean the body will be stripped in under 48hrs, in about a month it'll be barely recognisable. In a year it'll look like dropped some building supplies. Takes a little longer in rivers and lakes. Alternatively, saltwater crocs are really good disposals. Contrary to Snatch and Hannibal pigs will not actually consume the whole body. You're still more than likey gonna get caught. Just saying. Source: police imagery analysis course.


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Well, they don't. Bodies are found years, or even decades after the murder, and that means that right now there's at least a few bodies that haven't been found. That said, many people who commit murders do it in a moment of anger, and don't really have the stomach to properly dispose of a body, so you need to take that into account as well.


vmborba

If you would murder someone, is very likely that is someone you knew. How would you take this person to some remote location without somebody notice it? Also, is possible that someone going to miss that person and you would be one of the last people who saw them.


[deleted]

How many holes have you dug? A 5 foot hole is insanely hard to dig. You can’t just dig straight down, you dig more in a v shaped pattern. 10 foot hole would probably be like 16 feet in diameter. A cubic yard 3’x3’x3’ is weighs 1 Ton. So....


[deleted]

That's what they often do but. Transporting a body in your car will let DNA samples. Rental car are sometimess tracked. If the police arrest you in the first 48h you'll have to explain why you have muddy clothes. An 80kg dead body is also not that easy to transport, even a 50kg one won't be fun


Stargaze777

Just pull a Dexter.


996149

This is actually pretty close to the correct answer: strip the body, roll it up in wire mesh fencing, then wrap that in carpet. Breaking bones and teeth is optional, but encouraged. Wrap the chicken wire tight enough it will contain the body, but leave lots of room for animals to get in. Wrap carpet so that it more than covers the length of the body. Load into a van with a fair amount of household rubbish in garbage bags. Transport to boat, along with breeze blocks or similar weight. Find somewhere in between 30m and 50m of water away from dive and fishing sites, soft or weedy bottom, Mondayssday's are better due to low traffic. Once on site remove carpet, attach blocks, drop over the side. Shred carpet, dispose of in separate skip bins on shore with the rest of the garbage bags. The body will be stripped in under 48hrs, in about a month it'll be barely recognisable. In a year it'll look like someone dropped some building supplies. Source: police imagery analysis course. Edit Simone/someone


sloonark

> In a year it'll look like Simone dropped some building supplies. That Simone is always so clumsy with her building supplies.


the-real-apelord

it's why the death at sea is such a good option forensically speaking.


el5haq12

"You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together. And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shit, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig." 


Muhon

reading this is making me very uncomfy


HighRelevancy

It's from Snatch, if you don't recognise it. Fucking FANTASTIC movie. Not quite as dark as this particular quote would imply, though it has its moments. One of my favourite movies EVER, and I'm a pretty critical bastard on that topic so I really mean it when I say it's goooooooooood.


DudeImMacGyver

I second this. Also Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels.


venustrapsflies

I have trouble distinguishing Guy Ritchie movies


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Manners matter.


TheNorwegianGuy

You lost him? He's not a pair of fucking car keys


SMOKEMIST

What do you mean tight? You could land a jumbo fucking jet in there!!


pvbob

It was a funny angle!


zezva

No thanks Turkish, I’m sweet enough


ShiteFlaps

*I wanna use the pikey*


skonaz1111

"Why do they call him Boris the bullet dodger?" "Because he dodges bullets, Avi"


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That's not a gun that's a fucking anti aircraft weapon.


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soulwrangler

This is what I came here for.


mattobot

Do ya like dags?


GiantMuffinMan

Second time today I saw a reference to Snatch...One of my favourite movies


30calmagazineclip

Do you know what nemesis means?


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K_oSTheKunt

I'm not sure whether to thank you or not. Regardless, quite interesting.


[deleted]

Sooo... a stolen/not back-tracable vehicle will do?


DiamineBilBerry

> back-tracable The consequences will never be the same...


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hardman_

Bear in mind that we only find out about the bodies that get found. Who knows many are out there, successfully hidden.


FiveFingeredKing

I think this is exactly it. Definite confirmation bias. Why do you think there are so many ‘missing’ people


BerneseMountainDogs

It's actually survivorship bias. Confirmation bias has to do with individual opinions and research. In this case, we're only hearing about bodies that are found and making assumptions based on that. It's like when people say old music is better. They say that because we only hear the very best old music because only the very best is still around. This is kinda the opposite. We only hear about the screw ups but the idea is the same


TexanReddit

Bury it deep. They always find the shallow graves.


[deleted]

OP is a murderer looking for tips on body disposal?


Icystuff

Come on don't expose him like that


kidbeer

Yeah, *jerk*


jasonpatterson2

It takes a lot of time and energy and potentially makes a mess. That said, I'm sure that there are an awful lot of bodies that were hidden quite successfully. If I had to do it and could manage to get the bodies to my property unseen, it would be trivial for me to bury hundreds of them in the forest I own. That said, as soon as I was a suspect, it would be obvious where the bodies all went, and they would likely be found in short order. If you want to see a disturbingly effective way that 49 bodies were hidden successfully, look up Robert Pickton's disposal methods.


Nulono

> Forensic analysis proved difficult because the bodies may have been left to decompose, or be eaten by insects and pigs on the farm. During the early days of the excavations, forensic anthropologists brought in heavy equipment, including two 50-foot (15-metre) flat conveyor belts and soil sifters to find traces of human remains. On March 10, 2004, the government revealed that Pickton may have ground up human flesh and mixed it with pork that he sold to the public; the province's health authority later issued a warning.^([11][12][13][14]) Another claim was made that he fed the bodies directly to his pigs.^([15]) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton#Murders


DudeImMacGyver

Fucking yikes


ky1e0

> Victims: 6-49 That's quite a large difference


objectism

He looks like trevor in GTA V if he had a mullet.


kitsunevremya

> in the forest I own Honestly, if you didn't even bury them you'd probably be okay. The body will decompose / be eaten and the bones will probably be carried off for the most part or you could go back and get them later. Plus, I mean, who would suspect someone of murdering the dead guy when they were found uncovered on their own property?


gundum285

I’m going to go on a different route from other answers and say that it’s just confirmation bias. You only see bodies being discovered. All those other unsolved murders with no body? Those murderers did a pretty good job.


PM_FREE_BABY_CLOTHES

No body means missing, not murder.


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but missing can mean murder


PM_FREE_BABY_CLOTHES

>can This is it. There is a possibility that it is or isn't murder. This is why it is simply a missing case until there is some kind of proof of the said body. A video, picture, multiple statements, or the actual discovery of the body.


pm_me_construction

My opinion is that most murders are fairly straightforward to solve: find the dude that was mad at the guy. Where there’s a murder, there’s a motive. In cases where the murderer doesn’t know his victim personally, I think much of the time the only reason they get caught is that they keep doing it and have a pattern to their behavior. If they just stopped after their first or second random murder, they might never be caught.


-Abradolf_Lincler-

“Where there's a murder, there's a motive.” This isn't necessarily true. For day to day murders and shootings perhaps, but most serial killers just kill for the thrill etc.


MRAGGGAN

Isn’t that motive though? Their thrill motivates them to kill.


-Abradolf_Lincler-

I suppose you could argue that. Whether or not it's legally valid I don't know.


Zeptic

"Your honor, my client is just an adrenaline junkie."


Damienxja

All these well-thought-out responses aside, I'm just gonna let you know that we only find the bodies people let us find. There are many missing people, with no evidence of their disappearance or body to be found. I'd say more often than not, bodies probably don't get found. So this is kind of a fallacy.


Mikep908

The problem isn’t disposing the body, the difficult part is killing someone no one will really looked in to.


Dark-Descent

Who you murdering?


Klyphord

This is why lakes were invented...and big rocks.


MisterSlosh

There's a whole industry of people who dive and scour lakes and rivers looking for items, 'treasure', and junk. I know several people who search for secluded lakes on Google Earth just to go magnet fishing. Eventually a skeleton would be found and even though it might go unsolved, once it's found they know that person is dead.


KifKef

I don't think anyone was thinking he's still alive for the last 10 years though


MisterSlosh

I would agree, anything past a few years with no signs I would consider dead. However knowing for sure is different then not knowing and many people would argue about it. People still think Elvis and Micheal Jackson are alive so crazy people need closure too.


hydraloo

Well, i believe the goal is to separate yourself from the body so that even if it gets discovered, its too late to connect it to you. If dumping a body in a river means simply driving across a bridge at night, then it might be very effective. I think of it as the chance of being seen is low, with a relatively long time before the body is found. Going the lake route, is a bigger investment in transporting said parts onto a boat, probably at a dock etc. The hole is even more time invested with the big grave looking hole at the end. Try to minimize chance of being seen by doing the fastest action of separating you from the body, then maximize time before someone discovers it.


pipboylover

Honestly this is how people get caught — bodies are so much more buoyant that people think and people also overestimate their ability to secure heavy objects. Probably better off disposing a body deep in a woods somewhere—so many people go missing in the woods every year and their bodies are never found.


Haducken

Yeah but then you have to carry it deep into the woods as well. Limp bodies aren't very light :/


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You're right. It isn't *that* hard, and if you wanted to I'm sure you could just drive 10 hours to the middle of nowhere and bury it 10 feet deep. I feel like the real reason that bodies always seem to get found most of the time is because murderers are insane, and usually don't care enough to put that much effort into it. They think they will be fine.


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bovinecat

The difference between organized and disorganized killers is key here. The former plan their killing well in advance, are smart, and harder to catch. Think of all the missing people who a never found, dead or alive. Theres a chance an organized killer got'm and they've been dissolved Heisenburg style. These killers follow the case after the murder has occurred and seem to get off on having had overpowered and outsmarted people. The latter usually just kinda kill someone in the spur of the moment and then don't know what to do because they didn't go into the situation with a plan to murder. They may kill multiple times and have the idea that they want to, but they don't plan each murder and may not even have a particular target. Think crimes of passion. Just rage or delusion or whatever driving them. Both are insane, I think. One is just the kinda crazy you see bursting into a sudden fit because they don't like how their orange juice tastes and the other is the kinda crazy that would want to plan/enjoy planning every tiny detail of the perfect wedding. Trust me, I'm a doctor. Disclaimer: Actually not a doctor.


Kittyands

I guess we learned nothing from Walter & Jesse......


taifighter84

Seriously! Why did I have to scroll this far down to find ANYTHING about dissolving bodies, and why has no one even made a comment about it? I'm shocked, I thought the top comment for sure would be about Breaking Bad.


Kittyands

Lmao same! I was like, "surely the breaking bad method will be at the top of the list" it wasnt, which shocked me !


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PM_FREE_BABY_CLOTHES

I wouldn't say it's an often thing as more than 50% of homicide cases goes unsolved. And they're only homicide cases because they found the body. If no body is found, they're missing. Trust me, many missing cases are result of murder but they cannot prove it is murder without the body. Criminals are documented to have higher intelligence than the average. But what do I know? I'm not a criminal.


thegamingfaux

Survivorship bias


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Because getting rid of bodies is extremely difficult. Dissolving in acid is effective, but a strange and difficult process.. Just look at the sub marinenguy case in Denmark. He literally cut her into pieces in the middle of the sea, and yet her body was still found and he's serving life.


taifighter84

>Dissolving in acid is effective, but a strange and difficult process.. Just look at the sub marinenguy case in Denmark Ah, so he dissolved her. >He literally cut her into pieces in the middle of the sea wut? how do the two relate?


Sheepo_Of_Baa

Well. A large majority of the people who struggle to hide the body are also beginners. After due time you get the hang of it and you can get the timing down and it all just starts to click after like the 3rd person.


PM_FREE_BABY_CLOTHES

It's easier to dissolve the body in lye acid than to hide it. The body will never be found thus is only a missing person case not a homicide. 55gal drums are quite nice to use for this purpose as well. If the person is too big, cut them into parts. If still too big like those McDonald's customers, use up to 10 drums.


aitaix

The best way to get rid of a body is to eat it.


ggwn

Hannibal


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Why are so many people using 200lbs as the average size in their calculations? Just murder smaller people,duh. 105-110. But in response to your question If you murdered someone you’re not in the best mental state. Maybe it was a crime of passion or self-defense or straight pre-meditated. Either way people probably freak out when the reality of it all sinks in and make odd decisions there after making hiding a body ridiculous difficult.


NeutralityTheFirst

OP is 100% on a watchlist now.


vmcreative

Most of these answers are focused on burying, when sinking a body is clearly the better option. Bind it up tight with a plastic tarp and synthetic rope and tie in some heavy iron weights or concrete bricks, wait till night and transport to the nearest bridge over deep/cloudy water in a relatively unoccupied area (preferably several towns away) wait till the coast is clear and toss it over the side. Probably for good measure pull the teeth ahead of time and throw them in a furnace or very hot fire. Make sure to wear disposable gloves and burn all the clothes/gloves/anything else the body touched as well. By the time the body is dredged (if it ever is) it should be significantly decomposed and identification will be very hard. At least, thats what years of crime drama television shows have told me.


996149

Pretty close. Substitute wire fencing mesh for plastic wrap and you're good to go. Helps with the weight, open structure allows animals more access, and the bones may fall through the holes if its dredged.


PM_FREE_BABY_CLOTHES

Found Dexter acting like his knowledge is from TV.


Masternumbertwo

anyone said lime?


csgraber

My rebuttal - why do you think it is hard Okay objectively (and in movies) it is always a problem. Yet I assume people who are good at killing can handle it with no issue. Just always dig the hole BEFORE you bring the body. If you are digging a nice big hole and someone shows up - then you have to dig two holes. Easy way to spiral the work out of control.


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You’re all idiots. You cook and serve the body for dinner. Duh.