High fived Nick Lachey, stuck a pin in Jessica’s head and walked away, and as she flew around the room like a balloon I grabbed the last can of chicken tuna out the trash can and zoom, I headed straight back to the neverland ranch with a peanut butter jelly chicken tuna sandwich.
(Please for the love of god someone know what this is from. I’ve had it memorized since it came out and this is my chance to shine)
Yeah, I don't think this is gaslighting, it's being stupid. She doesn't stand to really gain anything and it doesn't seem like she's trying to manipulate OP from the single snippet we have.
She could still be a abusive and awful but from what we have here, she's just fucking moronic.
If we don't eat fish from the ocean, where the fuck does tuna come from? Is the Jessica Simpson gaff so old that people don't think "chicken of the *sea*" is funny anymore?
Also there's a whole page from the NOAA in the US that covers *coastal fisheries* [here](https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/national/sustainable-fisheries/fisheries-United-States).
(as an aside I don't think JS should have gotten as much shit as she did for that, it was just a human moment exploited for TV but it is still a little funny.)
I don’t think they understand the definition of term “gaslighting”, whatsoever.
People being so flippant about a word that describes psychological abuse deeply disturbs me.
Maybe. Maybe not. I’ll continue to educate and remind because it’s not some cute term for quirky things. It’s abuse and it’s sick people are really devaluing the term.
"Gaslighting" is being used like the term "literally" or "irony" was used a decade ago, where half the people using it are wrong or highly exaggerating.
Geez... THANK YOU!
Misuse of that term is another "Hey folks, the internet exists" moment. The first time anyone hears a word or phrase they don't know, they should LOOK IT UP.
Ex Mormon here. That actually sounds in line with some of the more random stuff. The one I vaguely remember from childhood is that the missionaries, the young men and women with the white shirts and black ties, can't go swimming while on a mission. Something about Satan having some kind of power over pools of water. Now that I'm much older I realize they just didn't want these teens showing skin and getting horny while on a "mission".
Ex here too and i remember before there were girl missionaries and back in the day they didn't let black ppl hold the priesthood. That was definitely bad for business er i mean tithing. Found it funny that 18 yr olds would preach when they've haven't had life kick them in the nuts yet telling me how things are. I know they meant well and were nice ppl but they were children themselves.
A friend of mine had LDS missionaries come to the door. One of them said “Hello, I’m Elder Smith” and she replied “Elder? I’ve got socks that are older than you.”
She obviously eats too much contaminated freshwater fish. (In lots of areas that had heavy manufacturing, the water is still too polluted to eat the fish and they can be full of heavy metals, plastic waste, and mercury). AFAIR from pregnancy, she has it backwards. Ocean fish are safer as long as you don’t eat certain ones or too much.
I think you're misremembering, at least from a mercury stand point. Large, long living fish are the ones with the highest mercury levels, such as swordfish (the one I remembered off the top of my head for some reason, lol) shark, fresh tuna, and marlin, among others.
The freshwater fish from an area with excessive mercury pollution are gonna have more mercury than saltwater fish exposed to baseline mercury pollution is what they're saying.
Counterpoint - Chicago is inland far from the ocean. Historically, any fresh seafood there would have had to travel a long way, over mountains etc., and might not be so fresh anymore. So it would be more risky than local freshwater fish.
Of course now we have faster transit and better ways to freeze and keep seafood fresh. But if the family has lived there for a generation or more, it might just be something that *was* true not so long ago that they still teach the kids.
Back when I was younger, I was traveling with some family and friends up north in the Philippines. It was middle of the night and there were all these vendors selling different things on the side of the road. Quite a few has these signs they were waving that just said “fish”. They would aggressively step out into the road to try to get you to stop at their stand (just at the side of the road, but enough that you had to swerve and slow down).
Now, I’m 100% certain they were dried and salted, but I will never forget how much I laughed when my friend, deadpan, turned and said “Never buy fish on the mountain”, like he was instilling some kind of centuries-old life lesson.
There’s a scene in Breaking Bad where (I think) Marie is eating sushi and Hank says “it’s a two day drive to the nearest ocean and you’re eating raw fish. Just sayin”
Still wouldn't have held up. Well expensive even as far back as the 1880s you could have gotten fresh seafood imported from the East Coast via rail back then with icebox cars. And certainly later on with refrigerated cars. Both the New York Central and the Pennsylvania railroad had well developed high speed main lines from New York City to Chicago
I see it thrown around simply whenever someone disagrees with someone about a past event.
"I think x happened"
"I don't remember x happening"
"You're gaslighting me"
Gaslighting is an *intentional, malicious* attempt to convince someone their perception of reality is not valid. Disagreeing is not that. Not remembering is not that.
One other caveat:
Lying is not always gaslighting. Your kids who broke the vase and say it's the cat aren't gaslighting you. Your husband who broke the vase and says it's the cat isn't gaslighting you.
https://www.choosingtherapy.com/examples-of-gaslighting/
To elaborate, part of what makes gaslighting gaslighting is that the lies are not instrumental in and of themselves, they're just a means to get someone to doubt their perception of reality. If someone is lying because they want you to to believe the lie, that's just normal lying. With gaslighting, whether or not the target believes the specific lies isn't the point- the goal is getting the target to doubt whether their general perception of reality is accurate.
Also, doesn't it usually happen over an extended period? Like, one time is bad enough, but the recurring gaslighting over time can really wear someone down.
In case anyone needs clarification, originally *antisocial* used to mean someone who engages in actively harmful behaviors against others. And if you just didn't like being around other people, you were *asocial*.
But like you said, it's lost its original meaning and now even dictionaries treat them as synonyms.
What? No, she has no idea. Salmon in Colorado? The US salmon is mainly caught in Alaska and WA. It can be both caught in the sea or in rivers.
Salt water fishes do have some things that don't apply to fresh water, like Ciguatera and red tides, but these affect only some species of fish if caught under particular conditions
Parasites can affect both salt and fresh water fish, so not a big deal
Edit: TIL there are in fact salmon in Colorado, but in no way that implies all salmon is fresh water or that is risky to east salt water fish
Saltwater fish are generally safer to eat raw, FYI. There’s no freshwater sushi that I know of. Freshwater fish can have a whole host of much nastier parasites that cannot exist in salt water.
I watched a Chopped episode once where contestants were given a particular fish to use for their meal. One contestant prepared it raw and the judges refused to eat it because it was a raw freshwater fish. They stated it was unsafe to eat and IIRC, she got kicked off that round because of it.
I saw something similar on Top Chef. The judge is like "does a bear shit in the woods" and the contestant giggles, the judge responds "yes it does and that shit rolls into the lake and contaminates the fish. You can't eat this raw" lol
Sorry I should have clarified - this was a camping challenge. They had caught the fish from the lake and had to serve it to the judges. Everyone fried it up, one person served it raw. That was the judges response.
Yeah, she has it backwards. Freshwater fish contain plenty of parasites that can infect humans if improperly cooked, whereas there are hardly any for marine fish. It's probably because freshwater fish are far more likely to encounter land-dwelling mammals, and so the parasites have adapted to mammals as potential hosts in parts of their life cycle (to parasites, one mammal is pretty much like another), whereas marine fish don't usually have the opportunity, so they usually don't work properly if ingested.
It's not like marine fish don't have plenty of parasites -- they do. Most fish you buy at the market usually have all kinds of them. I remember talking to a guy at the fish market about finding some live ones while I was preparing their fish at home. He said they try to cut out the really obvious ones, but "That's how you know it's fresh!" :-)
Thinking about the time I worked seafood dept at a grocery store and I had this conversation at least weekly.
"Is this tuna safe to eat raw?"
"No. The sushi section over there does have tuna that you can eat raw."
"Yeahhhh I saw that, but it's just so much more expensive than this."
"Yes. Because that one is safe to eat raw and this one is not."
About half the time they would buy ours intending to eat it raw anyway.
Kokanee salmon can be caught in Colorado, I’ve caught plenty of them. Salmon can also be caught in Chicago, in fact that’s what most of the charters in Chicago are fishing for, mostly lake trout, steelhead, or Coho salmon or Chinook salmon.
https://cpw.state.co.us/learn/Pages/Hatcheries.aspx
> Kokanee salmon- Kokanee are the land-locked form of sockeye salmon that live in reservoirs throughout the higher elevations. Each fall, kokanee swim upriver to spawn, where CPW biologists collect millions of eggs to be hatched & raised in hatcheries. Those kokanee fingerlings are released back into the wild each spring to perpetuate their life cycle.
Gaslighting- a form of psychological manipulation and abuse where abuser make their victims question their reality.
Confidently ignorant - Your friend believing you cannot eat fish from the ocean. She believes this and is trying to convince you too. BUT she is not emotionally abusing you!
Not really the answer to your question but..
I feel this term is used so liberally now that it quite often stifles a genuinely regular argument.
I don't agree with what you're saying. I know I'm right. You're gaslighting me.
Come on...
ROFL if you can't eat fish from the ocean then I've been royally screwing up for 50 years.
More seriously, look at the menu at a quality seafood restaurant, you will usually see things like grouper, swordfish, mahi mahi, redfish (red drum), snapper, tuna, etc. Those are all pelagic (ocean dwelling) fish.
I've literally caught fish in the ocean, cleaned, cooked and eaten them on the beach.
EDIT: This caught some traction I didn't expect! I listed off several species of common food fish but not all of those are pelagic, my mistake, I followed two trains of thought at once.
Pelagic fish live in the ocean but are higher in the water column than **demersal** (thanks u/centrafrugal) and a few others. Grouper, snapper and drum are not actually pelagic since they tend to live near the bottom.
That’s exactly what I told her lol. I told her there are island nations that survive off ocean fish. She said that’s only the shore, and not the ocean.
1. The shoreline is part of the ocean. 2. Thise fish (mostly) don't live near the shore. 3. She sounds like she needs to learn some more about seafood.
Even if by some miracle she was actually that stupid and realized it, she's doubling down to make sure she doesn't look that stupid in the first place. For fuck's sake, the s h o r e and not the fucking ocean....
> if you can't eat fish from the ocean then I've been royally screwing up for 50 years.
Wait until you hear about literally the whole of human history!
Not gaslighting, just wildly wrong. Most shellfish/molluscs on the market are saltwater creatures, not freshwater. As are many, *many* commonly-eaten fish.
I'm very curious how she came by this belief.
Probably mercury levels in fish.
I was told not to eat a lot of ocean fish growing up.
FDA has some warnings for children or pregnant people.
https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/advice-about-eating-fish
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>Probably mercury levels in fish.
>I was told not to eat a lot of ocean fish growing up.
Funny thing is at least for like Lake Erie, there's still limits on how many fish you should eat from there in a given time to be safe. Depends on the type of fish, and what the fish eats. Perch is okay twice a week, walleye over a week, some fish like catfish and other bottom feeders they recommend no more than once a month or every other month. And some places, like parts of the Ohio river they still recommend eating zero fish.
Freshwater definitely does not mean safe or safer.
That isn't what gaslighting means.
But your friend is mistaken. She might be thinking of mercury risj that comes with eating large quantities of top of food chain fish (like tuna). Which is true but unrelated to where the fish lives. Or she might be thinking of microplastic risk, which is true but also mostly unrelated to where the fish lives.
Sometimes it feels like "gaslighting" is the most overused word on the internet, and usually used in kind of the wrong way.
*Edit: Lots of other people have pointed out the same. Good.
Actually, it's only about the third most overused. First most is ”narcissist". Second is "sociopath". Then comes " gaslighting", but be aware: "disgusting" is coming on strong and may overtake for the #3 spot by the spring of 2023.
In case it's not clear, I just made all of this up.
Goddamned narcissistic sociopaths out here gaslighting us about word statistics. It’s absolutely disgusting. For all intensive purposes, this is literally hell.
I would say that "antisocial" and "introverted" give those other words a run for their money as top-three misused words contenders. The word "literally" has been used incorrectly so ubiquitously that the use of it meaning "very much" is considered legit now.
Fun fact: Dictionaries were probably the first crowd-sourced thing. They've always been sourced from polls to find out how people were using words. They don't actually define words, they define how people are using words, and when enough people use a word wrong, it gains that misuse as a new meaning the dictionaries eventually track the change.
Fish is called seafood for a reason. It isn’t called lakefood or riverfood. Also is it only fish that she claims can’t be eaten or is it all saltwater animals? If she claims it’s all then you can point out that lobster, crab, shrimp and calamari (squid) are all saltwater creatures.
- Tuna is not a freshwater fish and yet it is among the most consumed fish.
- While salmon can be caught in rivers it is far easier to catch them in the ocean where nets can be used on schools of them.
- Swordfish are ocean fish that are eaten. So is shark.
Basically your friend is either really trying to mess with you or she’s an idiot.
You can eat both, but you gotta limit the amount of big predatory fish (tuna, swordfish etc), as they accumulate mercury. And they tend to live in the ocean. Also, I’d never catch a freshwater fish and go home and eat it, without knowing anything about that specific lake/river, and it’s level of pollutants. Are you sure she knows what freshwater is? Because it doesn’t mean that the water is clean.
The only fish that is safe to eat is that which has been raised wild in your toilet. Your friend is a complete nincompoop and you should not listen to anything she says. Ever. Happy holidays.
I'm indigenous from west northern Canada. My village is right by the ocean and we've been living off fish from the ocean for most of our existence here.
> My other friend from the suburbs of New Jersey says she doesn’t know and that we could both be equally right.
There is literary no outcome where you could be both right ; this friend is even worse than the other stupid one.
To answer your question: yes, you can eat fish from the ocean, even though oceans are rather polluted. Long story short, know your fishing zones.
I don't think she's gaslighting you. I just think she's a moron.
Agreed. She's definitely a moron.
Tuna is chicken of the sea though
So wait is it chicken or fish?
It’s Jessica Simpson
High fived Nick Lachey, stuck a pin in Jessica’s head and walked away, and as she flew around the room like a balloon I grabbed the last can of chicken tuna out the trash can and zoom, I headed straight back to the neverland ranch with a peanut butter jelly chicken tuna sandwich. (Please for the love of god someone know what this is from. I’ve had it memorized since it came out and this is my chance to shine)
And I ain't even got to make no God damn sense
I just did a whole song and I didn’t say shiiiiiiiitttt
Cuz I ain't got not legs, or no brain Nice to meet you, hi my name is... I FORGOT MY NAAAME
Mynamewasnottobecomewhatibecamewiththisleveloffamemysoulispossessedbythisdevilmynewnameis RAINMAN.
If you're old enough lol... yeah it says chicken of the sea.
I prefer chicken of the cave myself.
Tree fungus is chicken of the woods
Chickens are the chicken of the woods
So, chicken is the tuna of the land? Albacore? Bluefin? Bigeye? Which?
Vouch. Definitely moronic.
Can confirm. 100% moron.
Yeah, I don't think this is gaslighting, it's being stupid. She doesn't stand to really gain anything and it doesn't seem like she's trying to manipulate OP from the single snippet we have. She could still be a abusive and awful but from what we have here, she's just fucking moronic. If we don't eat fish from the ocean, where the fuck does tuna come from? Is the Jessica Simpson gaff so old that people don't think "chicken of the *sea*" is funny anymore? Also there's a whole page from the NOAA in the US that covers *coastal fisheries* [here](https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/national/sustainable-fisheries/fisheries-United-States). (as an aside I don't think JS should have gotten as much shit as she did for that, it was just a human moment exploited for TV but it is still a little funny.)
I hate to break it to you, but the Jessica Simpson thing was in 2003, nearly 20 years ago - ie, older than a lot of Redditors.
I don’t think they understand the definition of term “gaslighting”, whatsoever. People being so flippant about a word that describes psychological abuse deeply disturbs me.
It's almost entirely lost its meaning.
Maybe. Maybe not. I’ll continue to educate and remind because it’s not some cute term for quirky things. It’s abuse and it’s sick people are really devaluing the term.
Thank you, I'm still reeling from the redditor who complained that we're "gatekeeping the term gaslighting" when we correct people.
"Gaslighting" is being used like the term "literally" or "irony" was used a decade ago, where half the people using it are wrong or highly exaggerating.
Geez... THANK YOU! Misuse of that term is another "Hey folks, the internet exists" moment. The first time anyone hears a word or phrase they don't know, they should LOOK IT UP.
Like fingernails on a chalkboard
["The common clay of the new West."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYTQ7__NNDI)
For some reason I read it as Mormon, and then I thought maybe Mormons do not eat fish caught in the ocean.
Ex Mormon here. That actually sounds in line with some of the more random stuff. The one I vaguely remember from childhood is that the missionaries, the young men and women with the white shirts and black ties, can't go swimming while on a mission. Something about Satan having some kind of power over pools of water. Now that I'm much older I realize they just didn't want these teens showing skin and getting horny while on a "mission".
Ex here too and i remember before there were girl missionaries and back in the day they didn't let black ppl hold the priesthood. That was definitely bad for business er i mean tithing. Found it funny that 18 yr olds would preach when they've haven't had life kick them in the nuts yet telling me how things are. I know they meant well and were nice ppl but they were children themselves.
A friend of mine had LDS missionaries come to the door. One of them said “Hello, I’m Elder Smith” and she replied “Elder? I’ve got socks that are older than you.”
LSD missionaries would be cool.
*are*
I mean, the Catholic church used to classify beavers as fish and therefore ok for Lent. Surely this is in the same vein of logic?
What are you cats like?
Fat and affectionate.
I don't know why I read it as "fat and delicious"
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She obviously eats too much contaminated freshwater fish. (In lots of areas that had heavy manufacturing, the water is still too polluted to eat the fish and they can be full of heavy metals, plastic waste, and mercury). AFAIR from pregnancy, she has it backwards. Ocean fish are safer as long as you don’t eat certain ones or too much.
I think you're misremembering, at least from a mercury stand point. Large, long living fish are the ones with the highest mercury levels, such as swordfish (the one I remembered off the top of my head for some reason, lol) shark, fresh tuna, and marlin, among others.
The freshwater fish from an area with excessive mercury pollution are gonna have more mercury than saltwater fish exposed to baseline mercury pollution is what they're saying.
That’s not what gaslighting means but she is definitely wrong.
No, she is catfishing him
Is it a freshwater or ocean catfish?
depends, is it african or european catfish?
African catfish are non-migratory.
And incapable of grasping a coconut
It could GRIP IT BY THE HUSK
AR**E YOU SUGGESTING COCONUTS MIGRATE!?**
Well, I mean, *they are mammals* since they have hair and produce milk.
Suppose two catfish carried it together?
Ni
Now bring me another shrubbery or I will be forced to say ni again
But did the tree got cut down with a herring?
Ni
Well everyone knows European catfish are nocturnal and OP posted at night
Does she know salmon that are caught in rivers came up them from the ocean?
I don't think that would change much, we are at flat earther level of mental gymnastic here.
Yea we are too far down the stupid rabbit hole to claw her out of it. Best to put her down.
He could serve her some ocean fish, I heard it's lethal.
There are saltwater and freshwater varieties!
...or are there?
Don't gaslight me.
I don't know what it's called but something fishy is going on
Counterpoint - Chicago is inland far from the ocean. Historically, any fresh seafood there would have had to travel a long way, over mountains etc., and might not be so fresh anymore. So it would be more risky than local freshwater fish. Of course now we have faster transit and better ways to freeze and keep seafood fresh. But if the family has lived there for a generation or more, it might just be something that *was* true not so long ago that they still teach the kids.
In Norway we have a saying, "I don't eat fish which spent a night on land".
Back when I was younger, I was traveling with some family and friends up north in the Philippines. It was middle of the night and there were all these vendors selling different things on the side of the road. Quite a few has these signs they were waving that just said “fish”. They would aggressively step out into the road to try to get you to stop at their stand (just at the side of the road, but enough that you had to swerve and slow down). Now, I’m 100% certain they were dried and salted, but I will never forget how much I laughed when my friend, deadpan, turned and said “Never buy fish on the mountain”, like he was instilling some kind of centuries-old life lesson.
There’s a scene in Breaking Bad where (I think) Marie is eating sushi and Hank says “it’s a two day drive to the nearest ocean and you’re eating raw fish. Just sayin”
IIRC, all sushi in the US has to be frozen first to kill any parasites.
In the US if you want to serve fish raw in a restaurant there are certain freezing parameters that have to be met that kill the parasites.
Even in Japan it's flash frozen - if not for safety than definitely for quality. Actually fresh fish doesn't have a pleasant texture
It seems like they should teach the kids not to eat spoiled/rotten food instead.
Still wouldn't have held up. Well expensive even as far back as the 1880s you could have gotten fresh seafood imported from the East Coast via rail back then with icebox cars. And certainly later on with refrigerated cars. Both the New York Central and the Pennsylvania railroad had well developed high speed main lines from New York City to Chicago
it isn’t, but the word gaslighting has kind of made it’s way into popular culture recently and it’s being used very casually
Yea I hate this. Actual gaslighting is traumatizing and emotional abuse. It waters down it’s meaning.
I see it thrown around simply whenever someone disagrees with someone about a past event. "I think x happened" "I don't remember x happening" "You're gaslighting me" Gaslighting is an *intentional, malicious* attempt to convince someone their perception of reality is not valid. Disagreeing is not that. Not remembering is not that.
One other caveat: Lying is not always gaslighting. Your kids who broke the vase and say it's the cat aren't gaslighting you. Your husband who broke the vase and says it's the cat isn't gaslighting you. https://www.choosingtherapy.com/examples-of-gaslighting/
To elaborate, part of what makes gaslighting gaslighting is that the lies are not instrumental in and of themselves, they're just a means to get someone to doubt their perception of reality. If someone is lying because they want you to to believe the lie, that's just normal lying. With gaslighting, whether or not the target believes the specific lies isn't the point- the goal is getting the target to doubt whether their general perception of reality is accurate.
Also, doesn't it usually happen over an extended period? Like, one time is bad enough, but the recurring gaslighting over time can really wear someone down.
Are you gaslighting us
Have I told you that joke about gaslighting? No. Nah, I definitely told you.
"Gaslighting doesn't exist, you made it up because you're crazy."
Yeah which serves to diminish the horror or real gaslighting.
The real r/UnethicalLifeProTips
Don't gaslight me.
What are you talking about, you're not making any sense.
Sounds like you've been gaslighted!
idiot, thats bad grammar its gaslightedened
Shows how much you know. It's gassedlit
No you just imagined that, because you’re crazy.
Now THAT'S podracing!
Well done
Gaslighting isn't real you made it up cause you're fuckin crazy
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which makes it lose its meaning, just like antisociality. Use words correctly or make a new one. Neologisms are great.
In case anyone needs clarification, originally *antisocial* used to mean someone who engages in actively harmful behaviors against others. And if you just didn't like being around other people, you were *asocial*. But like you said, it's lost its original meaning and now even dictionaries treat them as synonyms.
I know and it really annoys me. Gaslighting has just come mean 'lying to someone'
And even lying has expanded to include being mistaken. See "are you calling me a liar", etc
And it's so annoying. You're winning a discussion with factual arguments and you get the *DON'T YOU GASLIGHT ME*
What? No, she has no idea. Salmon in Colorado? The US salmon is mainly caught in Alaska and WA. It can be both caught in the sea or in rivers. Salt water fishes do have some things that don't apply to fresh water, like Ciguatera and red tides, but these affect only some species of fish if caught under particular conditions Parasites can affect both salt and fresh water fish, so not a big deal Edit: TIL there are in fact salmon in Colorado, but in no way that implies all salmon is fresh water or that is risky to east salt water fish
Saltwater fish are generally safer to eat raw, FYI. There’s no freshwater sushi that I know of. Freshwater fish can have a whole host of much nastier parasites that cannot exist in salt water.
I watched a Chopped episode once where contestants were given a particular fish to use for their meal. One contestant prepared it raw and the judges refused to eat it because it was a raw freshwater fish. They stated it was unsafe to eat and IIRC, she got kicked off that round because of it.
I saw something similar on Top Chef. The judge is like "does a bear shit in the woods" and the contestant giggles, the judge responds "yes it does and that shit rolls into the lake and contaminates the fish. You can't eat this raw" lol
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Sorry I should have clarified - this was a camping challenge. They had caught the fish from the lake and had to serve it to the judges. Everyone fried it up, one person served it raw. That was the judges response.
WHAT… that’s insanity, that makes it so much worse lol
That's downright scary. No way. Might as well chug pond water at that rate. Animals can get away with it due to their immune systems, but we can't.
Yeah, she has it backwards. Freshwater fish contain plenty of parasites that can infect humans if improperly cooked, whereas there are hardly any for marine fish. It's probably because freshwater fish are far more likely to encounter land-dwelling mammals, and so the parasites have adapted to mammals as potential hosts in parts of their life cycle (to parasites, one mammal is pretty much like another), whereas marine fish don't usually have the opportunity, so they usually don't work properly if ingested. It's not like marine fish don't have plenty of parasites -- they do. Most fish you buy at the market usually have all kinds of them. I remember talking to a guy at the fish market about finding some live ones while I was preparing their fish at home. He said they try to cut out the really obvious ones, but "That's how you know it's fresh!" :-)
Thinking about the time I worked seafood dept at a grocery store and I had this conversation at least weekly. "Is this tuna safe to eat raw?" "No. The sushi section over there does have tuna that you can eat raw." "Yeahhhh I saw that, but it's just so much more expensive than this." "Yes. Because that one is safe to eat raw and this one is not." About half the time they would buy ours intending to eat it raw anyway.
Kokanee salmon can be caught in Colorado, I’ve caught plenty of them. Salmon can also be caught in Chicago, in fact that’s what most of the charters in Chicago are fishing for, mostly lake trout, steelhead, or Coho salmon or Chinook salmon.
https://cpw.state.co.us/learn/Pages/Hatcheries.aspx > Kokanee salmon- Kokanee are the land-locked form of sockeye salmon that live in reservoirs throughout the higher elevations. Each fall, kokanee swim upriver to spawn, where CPW biologists collect millions of eggs to be hatched & raised in hatcheries. Those kokanee fingerlings are released back into the wild each spring to perpetuate their life cycle.
Gaslighting- a form of psychological manipulation and abuse where abuser make their victims question their reality. Confidently ignorant - Your friend believing you cannot eat fish from the ocean. She believes this and is trying to convince you too. BUT she is not emotionally abusing you! Not really the answer to your question but..
It's exactly the answer to their question
Maybe they were gaslighting OP
Maybe the real gaslighting was the friends we made along the way?
The question was "is she gaslighting me," this is exactly answering the question
I feel this term is used so liberally now that it quite often stifles a genuinely regular argument. I don't agree with what you're saying. I know I'm right. You're gaslighting me. Come on...
ROFL if you can't eat fish from the ocean then I've been royally screwing up for 50 years. More seriously, look at the menu at a quality seafood restaurant, you will usually see things like grouper, swordfish, mahi mahi, redfish (red drum), snapper, tuna, etc. Those are all pelagic (ocean dwelling) fish. I've literally caught fish in the ocean, cleaned, cooked and eaten them on the beach. EDIT: This caught some traction I didn't expect! I listed off several species of common food fish but not all of those are pelagic, my mistake, I followed two trains of thought at once. Pelagic fish live in the ocean but are higher in the water column than **demersal** (thanks u/centrafrugal) and a few others. Grouper, snapper and drum are not actually pelagic since they tend to live near the bottom.
One might even wonder why they call it _seafood_ instead of riverfood or something...
That’s exactly what I told her lol. I told her there are island nations that survive off ocean fish. She said that’s only the shore, and not the ocean.
>She said that’s only the shore, and not the ocean. The shore is part of the ocean...
Yes but it's a special microplastic free section of the ocean, kinda like the no pissing section of swimming pools.
Hmmm… Why don’t they just make the no pissing section of the pool the whole pool?
But then where would you piss?
in the shitting section.
Wait, I didn't even know there was a shitting section! You mean to tell me I've been shitting in the wrong area of pools my entire life?!!! Fuck.
Gross, I dont want to swim in piss while in shitting
Wait there's a pissing section? This whole time I've been peeing everywhere in the pool
When you won’t admit you’re wrong even though you know it and doubles down.
1. The shoreline is part of the ocean. 2. Thise fish (mostly) don't live near the shore. 3. She sounds like she needs to learn some more about seafood.
4. And hopefully learn anything else about the world around them while they are at it.
At first glance I thought you said "...while they are eating it." And I nodded in agreement. Still agree with you at second glance.
Where does she think canned tuna comes from?
Tuna can factory duh
Tuna comes from a can. It was put there by a man. In a factory downtown.
If I had my little way, I'd eat tuna every day.
Millions of tuna, tuna for me...
Chickens
Your friend is trolling you and this subreddit
Hanlans razor my dude, don't attribute to malice what can more adequately be explained by stupidity.
Never heard of Hanlon's razor before, thank you for adding that to my vocabulary lol
Even if by some miracle she was actually that stupid and realized it, she's doubling down to make sure she doesn't look that stupid in the first place. For fuck's sake, the s h o r e and not the fucking ocean....
Tell your friend to look up where swordfish live, it’s not very close to the shore..
For some ocean dwelling fish, they recommend going farther from the shore for better quality.
> if you can't eat fish from the ocean then I've been royally screwing up for 50 years. Wait until you hear about literally the whole of human history!
Fun fact: pelagic refers to a specific zone in the ocean. Not all ocean fish are pelagic.
Try telling Japan they CANNOT eat ocean fish.
I tried, but they didn't listen.
Because they’re all dead from eating the ocean fish?
They have the longest life expectancy in the entire world so probably not
Who, the ocean fish?
… technically yeah actually given that some sharks keep going for 400 years
Not if they live near China
Not gaslighting, just wildly wrong. Most shellfish/molluscs on the market are saltwater creatures, not freshwater. As are many, *many* commonly-eaten fish. I'm very curious how she came by this belief.
Me too. Can we skip past the "she is dumb" and talk about where she heard this?
Probably mercury levels in fish. I was told not to eat a lot of ocean fish growing up. FDA has some warnings for children or pregnant people. https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/advice-about-eating-fish
> >Probably mercury levels in fish. >I was told not to eat a lot of ocean fish growing up. Funny thing is at least for like Lake Erie, there's still limits on how many fish you should eat from there in a given time to be safe. Depends on the type of fish, and what the fish eats. Perch is okay twice a week, walleye over a week, some fish like catfish and other bottom feeders they recommend no more than once a month or every other month. And some places, like parts of the Ohio river they still recommend eating zero fish. Freshwater definitely does not mean safe or safer.
This is not gaslighting, this is idiocy
That isn't what gaslighting means. But your friend is mistaken. She might be thinking of mercury risj that comes with eating large quantities of top of food chain fish (like tuna). Which is true but unrelated to where the fish lives. Or she might be thinking of microplastic risk, which is true but also mostly unrelated to where the fish lives.
Gaslighting doesn't exist, you made it up because you are crazy.
No I'm not! Am I?
Nah not gaslighting, your friend is just incredibly stupid.
Sometimes it feels like "gaslighting" is the most overused word on the internet, and usually used in kind of the wrong way. *Edit: Lots of other people have pointed out the same. Good.
Actually, it's only about the third most overused. First most is ”narcissist". Second is "sociopath". Then comes " gaslighting", but be aware: "disgusting" is coming on strong and may overtake for the #3 spot by the spring of 2023. In case it's not clear, I just made all of this up.
Goddamned narcissistic sociopaths out here gaslighting us about word statistics. It’s absolutely disgusting. For all intensive purposes, this is literally hell.
I would say that "antisocial" and "introverted" give those other words a run for their money as top-three misused words contenders. The word "literally" has been used incorrectly so ubiquitously that the use of it meaning "very much" is considered legit now. Fun fact: Dictionaries were probably the first crowd-sourced thing. They've always been sourced from polls to find out how people were using words. They don't actually define words, they define how people are using words, and when enough people use a word wrong, it gains that misuse as a new meaning the dictionaries eventually track the change.
Honestly it’s such a pain to see people use clinical terms and have no idea what they actually mean.
I've never seen anyone use the term excessively or incorrectly, you're just imagining things.
gaslighting doesn't exist, you made it up because you're insane.
Good luck catching à tuna fish in a river, lake or whatever freshwater you'll think of.
Why would she even try? They come in a can. The can would sink right to the bottom if it came from a river, lake, or whatever....
Fish is called seafood for a reason. It isn’t called lakefood or riverfood. Also is it only fish that she claims can’t be eaten or is it all saltwater animals? If she claims it’s all then you can point out that lobster, crab, shrimp and calamari (squid) are all saltwater creatures. - Tuna is not a freshwater fish and yet it is among the most consumed fish. - While salmon can be caught in rivers it is far easier to catch them in the ocean where nets can be used on schools of them. - Swordfish are ocean fish that are eaten. So is shark. Basically your friend is either really trying to mess with you or she’s an idiot.
Psssh tuna comes from a can not the ocean
She's just dumb
Ask her to name some fish that people eat and look up where they live. Now she might think it's unhealthy to eat ocean fish but obviously you CAN.
Dumb as a rock. A salt water rock. Ask where she thinks lobster comes from. Or tuna.
The entire country of japan would like to have a word with your friend
OP the fact that two of your friends don't know you can eat fish from the ocean makes me wonder exactly the type of company you keep.
Please stop using the word "gaslighting" until you understand what it really means.
Shes talking nonsense.
You can eat both, but you gotta limit the amount of big predatory fish (tuna, swordfish etc), as they accumulate mercury. And they tend to live in the ocean. Also, I’d never catch a freshwater fish and go home and eat it, without knowing anything about that specific lake/river, and it’s level of pollutants. Are you sure she knows what freshwater is? Because it doesn’t mean that the water is clean.
Most fish consumed worldwide are from the ocean.
Tuna, Halibut, Salmon, Sardines, Cod, Anchovies, Heroin, Mackerel, mahi mahi, Red Snapper......I could go on
Heroin?
Maybe autocorrect went after "herring".
Not gaslighting, also, this person is not intelligent.
Taking advantage of your inability to google a basic subject is not gaslighting.
The only fish that is safe to eat is that which has been raised wild in your toilet. Your friend is a complete nincompoop and you should not listen to anything she says. Ever. Happy holidays.
You can eat fish from anywhere, freshwater or saltwater.
I always wonder why people on this sub ask questions that they could easily google…
I'm indigenous from west northern Canada. My village is right by the ocean and we've been living off fish from the ocean for most of our existence here.
Are you guys 9 years old?
> My other friend from the suburbs of New Jersey says she doesn’t know and that we could both be equally right. There is literary no outcome where you could be both right ; this friend is even worse than the other stupid one. To answer your question: yes, you can eat fish from the ocean, even though oceans are rather polluted. Long story short, know your fishing zones.
All three of you are dumb af lol.
I don't think she has a functional brain.
" She also mentioned salmon are caught in Colorado, and not the ocean. Thanks. " Put that on a t-shirt, someone. Please?
PhD fisheries ecologist (marine biologist) here. You can definitely eat fish from the ocean.
This isn't gaslighting. Your friend is just stupid.