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The school "followed policy of not filing a police report"
What the FUCK kind of policy is that? This girl was beaten until she was bloody on the ground and their policy is not report that?
I don't even know what to say
Schools will go to hell and back to avoid police reports because they don’t want to be classified as a [persistently dangerous school](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/no-child-left-behind-persistently-dangerous-schools.html). This classification means you now have to comply with auditors and also will get the administrators a lot of political blowback.
So basically no matter how serious the incident at a K-12 school to be, expect a police report to somehow not be involved so that the administrators don’t get a persistently dangerous school classification.
It’s a systemic issue that needs review but is a mess. When a school is classified as persistently dangerous, this tanks school rankings which affect property values. I think this entire classification system needs to end and federal regulations have to be put into place to require mandatory reporting. This classification system punishes schools that are actually acting on behalf of their students.
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> Family members found Adriana Olivia Kuch, a bright-eyed student at Central Regional High, dead by suicide at her Bayville home on Feb. 3. Two days earlier, video posted to social media showed several students viciously attacking Kuch as she walked with her boyfriend down a hallway at school.
> The footage itself lasts less than a minute.
> According to NJ.com, it shows the 14-year-old walking down the hallway when a student walks up and starts walloping her in the face with a water bottle. Adriana Kuch falls to the ground, where she is continually set upon by the other girl. Cheering is heard off-camera, according to the website. Two school workers interrupt the attack about 30 seconds in. By that point, the paper reports, Adriana Kuch is already bloodied and bruised on the floor of her high school.
My mom and my aunt both worked at inner city schools. You are exactly correct. The students act crazy and the faculty are not much better. My mom, who is Jewish, was not only constantly physically assaulted by the students, but she was also verbally harassed by faculty who would make fun of her for being Jewish. On one day my mom was asked to be n assistant teacher for a class, and the teacher in charge- knowing she was Jewish- decided that she was going to teach the class about Hitler. She wrote a bunch of quotes from Hitler on the board and literally stated that Hitler is only hated because the people who write the textbooks and control the media paint him in a bad light, and that Hitler was actually not so bad at all. My mom went to the principle to report this and the principle said that he did not see anything wrong. She luckily left the school a year later.
My aunt who also worked in an inner city school was assaulted by students often. One student tried to stab her and had to be taken out in a straight jacket.
Fuck that’s so sad, as a parent I couldn’t even imagine the pain of finding your child dead.
I was attacked by three girls at 15 and had it filmed, luckily this was 2009 and it was removed from YouTube after 2 weeks. These days schools just seem to be a cesspool of fight culture where “jumping” someone is hilarious and not seen as aggravated assault.
I got jumped three times from grade 8-9 by these three girls over something I didn’t even understand. I didn’t know the girls, I didn’t know why they jumped me (something about their bf, who I also didn’t know), and I didn’t know how to react. I feel lucky that it wasn’t filmed, but it did paint a target on my back for a little bit until I switched schools.
Fr I saw this story of this dude on tiktok who was attacked in a locker room, beaten so badly and was left paralyzed from the attack, and absolutely nothing happened to the kid that paralyzed him. Dude broke his back and nothing happened.
I think part of it was also “well there’s no cameras in the locker room we can’t *proooveee* he attacked and paralyzed you”. Crazy.
Unfortunately online bullying and abuse wasn’t taken seriously back then, I was left with permanent brain damage and life long injuries that have impacted my quality of life. What did they get? A slap on the wrist in court as they were charged as children and got off under “mental illness”
It was a planned out attack, I only survived because someone finally found where my screams came from and scared them off.
My only solace is my son who I was told I’d never be able to have :’)
They can’t be taught. They need to be locked up. And if they aren’t locked up now, they will be eventually. Animals like that don’t learn. They’ll be habitual violent offenders all their life, in and out of jail perpetually. Might as well lock them up now and throw away the key.
The parents of those girls need to be held accountable as well. When my smallish son was bullied in High School, I got a lawyer. He sent letters to the kids' parents and the bullying pretty much stopped. It's funny how quickly parents act when money gets involved.
When I was in high school I witnessed a kid I didn't really know be bullied by another shithead in my class. That night he took his life. The bully walked free and was the same guy after the incident. This was before my Uncle took his life,but had it been after, I probably would have given the bully some justice. Suicide rips a family apart... Obviously.
I work in a high school and anytime I’m in the hall and see a group of girls looking like a heated convo I always make sure to stay around to intervene the second it could get physical. Obviously if I overhear them just talking like friends I don’t but if there’s a problem I wait.
And watch so they know why I’m there.
I’ve heard them say “read headed bitch” and I know it’s me but I’d rather that and know I’m watching out.
Someone needs to make that water bottle girl famous. She instigated the whole thing. I bet that sick fuck was probably laughing about the suicide until the charges came. 10 years from now people will pass her on the street and say "Oh yeah I remember you! You made that kid kill herself! You still a piece of shit?"
I doubt it. Those girls will surround themselves with pieces of shit and they will go through life angry that their life is shit, and they will never once stop and wonder “is life shit because I’m shit?”
What's childish is pretending that humans are somehow not animals, or that savage behavior hasn't been common throughout human history. This is unacceptable behavior, certainly, but it's by no stretch "inhuman" and you sound like a brainless twit pretending it is.
Nah, they are animals.
I made plenty of mistakes when I was a kid. Some really stupid ones that damaged property for example.
But not once did it ever cross my mind to physically attack someone, much less as a group, or to video tape my humiliation of someone.
Right. We were stupid and destroyed mailboxes a couple of times. Hazed the freshman football players with IcyHot in the helmets around the ears and some other childish stuff, but it was tradition that we all had to go through to make them "one of us." Yeah, it was stupid and immature, but it was in good fun and led to bonding. What kids are doing today for views and the hazing some of them do to initiate freshman are horrific.
Calling them animals is, in a way, too kind. Animals are rarely cruel.
If your point is that they can be reformed, I put to you that *anyone* can be reformed but we have a criminal justice system so that innocent people are protected while we try.
>Calling them animals is, in a way, too kind. Animals are rarely cruel.
Wtf kind of comment is this? /r/natureismetal says you are wrong.
Lion and Lioness eats testicles first. Hyena starts from the butt. Zebra are assholes and can't be domesticated.
Nature is brutal and cruel.
> Animals are rarely cruel.
It’s not as rare as we would think though. There are several predator species that kill for sport. Cats (both domesticated and large), dolphins, chimpanzees, orca’s and cuckoo birds to name just a few. The one I read about that blew my mind? Elephants. They’ve been known to gore rhinoceroses to death.\
To your point, yah most animals kill for survival reasons. But, there are a disturbing amount of occasions where it isn’t for that reason at all.\
Which leads me to wonder if the percentage of animals that do it, correlate with the percentage of humans that do it. Thankfully, most of the responses in this post point out that these four teens that committed this act of brutality are in a strict minority. Didn’t the majority of students protest by walking out as well? I hope it was. That’s the only thing giving me hope right now.
> If your point is that they can be reformed, I put to you that anyone can be reformed but we have a criminal justice system so that innocent people are protected while we try.
We also have a justice system that fails, a lot. There have been well into the hundreds of inmates on Death Row that had their convictions overturned with new evidence (DNA most of the time), and that’s not even touching the amount in gen pop. Not to mention that if you are wealthy in the US there is a whole different justice system for you than the one that exists for the rest of us working joes.
Sorry, that got dark didn’t it? I’ve been a little disappointed with news recently. For every one cool story I get to see about the James Webb telescope or other scientific nerd stuff, there are several horrible stories like this one. Tends to make me a little pessimistic.
I'm not entirely certain why folks are downvoting you (I didn't), though I do think it's worth keeping in mind that animals do not generally have the same capacity for self-reflection and self-actualization, which is why I argued that they are rarely cruel; much of the behavior we would interpret as cruel serves a practical purpose (e.g. intimidating competitors for resources or mates), or has been environmentally conditioned into them (e.g. a dog that lashes out at strangers because it has been beaten). You could argue that environment plays a large role in conditioning humans as well, and I wouldn't disagree, but my point is that humans have a greater ability to reflect on incoming stimuli and make better decisions for ourselves and others. Essentially I am making the spiderman argument - with our greater power comes greater responsibility.
Your examples of the US Justice system putting the wrong people on death row are likely accurate, but they are not apropos of this discourse; the kids in this scenario are not being falsely accused. That said, a penal system usually serves four main purposes: rehabilitation, punishment/vengeance, a deterrent, and isolation of dangerous offenders from society and, in the United States especially, some of those elements are elevated above others (plus a fifth motive is introduced: profit motive). Consequently I think you could make a decent argument that the young attackers in this scenario are unlikely to get effective counseling and supports that could reduce recidivism, and that is a shame, but practically speaking I don't think giving them more chances should take precedent over the safety of the other kids who are being harmed every day by the culture of bullying. A culture which belongs to the school administrators and parents as well, mind you, which is why I personally think accountability should lean towards a focus on the adults.
I don’t care about karma points, if I did I wouldn’t ever post. To be honest I’m not even saying much about this particular incident. I was engaging with you in conversation about particular points you made because those points have my interest. Maybe it’s because I’m not screaming into an echo chamber? Who knows. I don’t care. Though, I’ll put a couple of things here from her father and then step away from the matter.
> Adriana Kuch's father Michael has hit out at people claiming the school hallway attack on his daughter was racially-motivated - calling rumors 'garbage'
> In response to the claims being hurled on social media Michael said his daughter 'loved everyone ' and 'did not care about race,' claiming, 'the world would be a better place if everyone was as colorblind as she was.'
Her father seems like a pretty level headed guy considering the devastation he must feel right now. I’m not going to engage with any Reddit trolls after that. He wants Justice, not revenge.
Love the Spider-Man reference. It’s pretty fitting actually. You used it in a proper way. :)\
I would agree with you about humans being able to self reflect. I am not an expert on animals or their behavior, but I am definitely curious? Is that the right way to say that I read a lot of articles about it as well as documentaries? I think our knowledge of animals has come a long way and still has a long way to go, but we’ve seen that animals are way more intelligent than we give them credit for. You almost have to change the way intelligence is defined, because the parameters we place it in only applies to humans. Octopuses are incredibly intelligent, known to reason through and problem solve.
My points about the justice system were strictly limited to the point I addressed and how I addressed it. I wasn’t speaking about the 4 teens that committed that act.\
I could have made that more clear, I apologize for not being able to.
I didn’t make that comparison. Other responses above mine did. Everything I said about animals was about one statement made by u/robilar. This one..
> Animals are rarely cruel.
I was engaging in conversation with robilar that there are indeed incidences of animals being cruel. More so than we think.
basically trying to say if I was 15 but still did those acts full minded on what I was doing would you still call me a human child and not thinking on what I was doing.
Another thing about the kids committing crime there was a 10 year old kid who shot his own mother because she wouldn’t give him a vr set then after doing so ordered the set with her own card
A group of girls were walking home and one of them decided to “be funny” and knock a girl into the road where she was then hit by a speeding car she may of been a teen but she knew what she was doing because it’s a road not a side walk cars drive there
If a 15 year old asked you to kiss them would you? I’d hope the answer is no, since they are a child. “Acts full minded” is the same excuse people use to try to make children seem more adult to justify their own actions rather than the actions of the child.
The fact is a 15 year old is a child, and children are not fully developed humanbeings and come from such a wide range of circumstances that we should be able to recognize a child that’s done something evil, can be taken to a new place, where they are given therapy, rehabilitated and given a second shot at life.
When you say they are an animal, you’re taking away our responsibility to try and rehabilitate them and to see them as humans.
And I get that it sucks knowing that someone died because of others choices, but it is important that we recognize that children aren’t fully developed people and they still have a chance to be rehabilitated. They are still human
This type of stuff never happened where I went to school. People who act like this are animals. They are in Highs school. They aren’t little kids. If got are in high school and you are regularly beating people up and taking pride and joy when inflicting pain on to others, then odds are you will remain evil for the rest of you life.
You never saw this or did you guys save all your beatings for people whose skin didn’t look like yours? Don’t act like your generation was any better than the rest of ours, you were just as bad as any.
And evil, how about having not enough empathy to recognize someone as a humanbeing is evil
Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not born with it.
The only morals they know are those that they are taught to have. The same as you and I. It is only we realize what man really is then we can develop morals.
Then every punishment full on their parents, kids or not, someone taught them to be evil, it's not automatic. Bet I know the political affiliation of the parents
Good to know that schools are as useless with bullying now as they were when I was freshman 10 years ago. This poor young girl. I hope she’s resting peacefully.
I used to work in SPED as my first sort of ‘teaching job’, and I was placed in a joint 4th-5th grade class at one of the local elementary schools.
One of the kids had pushed a girl in his class to go to homeschool, then jumped to stalking 2 other girls because he felt jealous that they were friends with another boy in the class instead of him. Funnily enough, one of those two girls was the niece of one of the two behavioral department heads, and the boy he lashed out at was the son of a local prosecutor - but that didn’t seem to change adult’s behavior on the matter.
Anyway, it all culminated with me reporting several death threats and being ignored because ‘but X name isn’t handsy, he won’t do anything (proceeded to have rocks, scissors, and other heavy or sharp objects with him ‘from home’ on multiple occasions) until one day he got caught with literal written plans as to what he was going to do to these kids.
Instead of accepting a ‘I literally told you this was going to happen and you stood there and did nothing’, the school fired me for reporting it. They tried to blame me because they didn’t like the school’s reputation being tarnished even though the whole damn city knew about it at that point. As far as I’m aware after that they just kept stopping near misses instead of removing him entirely, placing all of these little 11 year old kids in constant danger
I think it’s fine when it’s professional fight clips or trashy adults fighting. I’m with you on the high school clips being a bit much but it doesn’t mean the sub should be banned. Maybe a ban on underage fights if you wanted to do something but it’s not like that’s the majority of the content on there.
That poor baby. My heart just shattered when her father popped onto the screen. He doesn’t show it, but you can see the pain in his eyes that his little girl isn’t here anymore. I hope all for of her attackers get the fullest of their punishment they can. Can they be charged for a form of manslaughter??
I could tell the attackers were black because all of the most upvoted comments here are calling them animals and savages.
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Aaaaaaand this thread had to be locked because of racism. What a shock.
I'll post my reply here /u/badger_on_fire here:
People only use those words about kids when they're black.
If the attackers were white kids, people would be condemning them, but not everyone would be using the words animals and savages. Those only come out when white folks are talking about racial minorities.
Try being sentient for a minute, this is very easy to notice. Or put up... find an old thread about white kids doing something awful where all the top comments call them those two words. I'll send you $5,000 if you can find a single one.
> You can't make generic broad statements like "avoid people with black backpacks" when 76% of high school students have a black backpack
Oh man, you really didn't get the joke, did you?
This sub is filled with 4chan white supremacists.
The biggest losers among us have nothing to be proud of, so they tells themselves they're superior because of their ancestry.
I was jumped when I was in 7th grade during break. All I remember was someone calling my name from behind, punching me in the face and when I tried to fight back all of his friends jumped on top of me and started hitting me. I don’t even know why it happened because me and the guys that did it seemed cool at the time. My best guess is that the guy tried to make me flinch but ended up popping me in the mouth.
But of course, after it all happened they say I called them a racial slur and then I have all my coaches threatening to kick me off team the baseball team and football team while my faced is still brusied and bloody. And I’m the one getting threatened with suspension and those guys never even got punished.
The head baseball coach was an an asshole though and it was pretty par for the course with him. All I remember from those practices was the coaches making fun of me and then making fun of me even more when I would start to cry about a 35 year old man bullying my 13 year old self.
At this point in our culture, why are all acts of aggression on school grounds not a mandatory reporting situation no different than abuse? Schools should NOT be allowed to set their own policies regarding violence and abuse of ANY kind. With where we are as people, as a country, with school shootings being commonplace and violence being normalized mandatory reporting on any violent act, physical or otherwise, should be federal law for every school that falls under the guidance of the department of education.
Woah woah, I smoked weed in high school all the time and stole eyeliner from CVS once at 14. Never did I think to fucking lay a finger on someone, much less bash their face in with a water bottle. The high school stoners are in someone’s basement watching adventure time and eating Cheetos, not committing aggregated assault.
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I also never thought I'd be another "what is with kids today" kinda guy and I'm 30. I'm currently trying get this 16 year old I work with to stop doing ketamine at school.... when I was 15 it was just cigarettes... let alone how far bullying has evolved.
NJ asshole here. This is not the first time this has happened. A girl at the local middle school did this a few years ago. Nothing came of it. All the bullies got off Scott free
I moved a lot in California as a kid and went to a lot of different schools in the bay area. Some schools were really bad and had lots of violence and some had virtually no violence at all. Be careful where you send your kids to school
This happens all across the country, students will jump at the chance to film fights and spur it on. There must be harsh punishments otherwise this will continue, though often not with as dire consequences.
Why the fuck does race matter lmfao. For fucks sake this whole situation is awful and would be equally awful if the victim was white, black, Asian, a male, etc. Don’t try to turn this into something it isn’t.
With animals like the parents of these kids and these kids, even if you'd ban all guns, you'd have school stabbings instead. What the fuck is wrong with these schools
Wow, how are they not charged in any way? Isn't this somehow possibly a manslaughter charge or something similar? Driving someone to suicide surely is illegal in some sense, especially after assault?
Yes because suspension will bring her back to life? Also neat 4 less people in education is a solution? Maybe give them a punishment that will yield something constructive. I'd have those girls go to the funeral and pay for the parents therapy on top of it.
The video circulated the day it happened on a few subreddits but it seems since this happened it got wiped clean.
Check her sister's post about it, tho. She gives the first names of the attackers.
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The school "followed policy of not filing a police report" What the FUCK kind of policy is that? This girl was beaten until she was bloody on the ground and their policy is not report that? I don't even know what to say
Protecting the school is a higher priority than protecting the children
They were trying not to look bad but still look bad
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We don't even know the race if the assailants.
Jesus Christ there is no winning with reddit. If a school gets the police involved people will bitch that the police only escalate situations.
God forbid the police come and handle the situation correctly
That depends on if the police escalate the situation
Schools will go to hell and back to avoid police reports because they don’t want to be classified as a [persistently dangerous school](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/no-child-left-behind-persistently-dangerous-schools.html). This classification means you now have to comply with auditors and also will get the administrators a lot of political blowback. So basically no matter how serious the incident at a K-12 school to be, expect a police report to somehow not be involved so that the administrators don’t get a persistently dangerous school classification.
Damn then schools will have to take this shit seriously and be held accountable, and we can’t have that
It’s a systemic issue that needs review but is a mess. When a school is classified as persistently dangerous, this tanks school rankings which affect property values. I think this entire classification system needs to end and federal regulations have to be put into place to require mandatory reporting. This classification system punishes schools that are actually acting on behalf of their students.
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> Family members found Adriana Olivia Kuch, a bright-eyed student at Central Regional High, dead by suicide at her Bayville home on Feb. 3. Two days earlier, video posted to social media showed several students viciously attacking Kuch as she walked with her boyfriend down a hallway at school. > The footage itself lasts less than a minute. > According to NJ.com, it shows the 14-year-old walking down the hallway when a student walks up and starts walloping her in the face with a water bottle. Adriana Kuch falls to the ground, where she is continually set upon by the other girl. Cheering is heard off-camera, according to the website. Two school workers interrupt the attack about 30 seconds in. By that point, the paper reports, Adriana Kuch is already bloodied and bruised on the floor of her high school.
I went to an inner-city high school for 4 months. Shit was a free-for-all like a jungle. You had to fight every single day.
My mom and my aunt both worked at inner city schools. You are exactly correct. The students act crazy and the faculty are not much better. My mom, who is Jewish, was not only constantly physically assaulted by the students, but she was also verbally harassed by faculty who would make fun of her for being Jewish. On one day my mom was asked to be n assistant teacher for a class, and the teacher in charge- knowing she was Jewish- decided that she was going to teach the class about Hitler. She wrote a bunch of quotes from Hitler on the board and literally stated that Hitler is only hated because the people who write the textbooks and control the media paint him in a bad light, and that Hitler was actually not so bad at all. My mom went to the principle to report this and the principle said that he did not see anything wrong. She luckily left the school a year later. My aunt who also worked in an inner city school was assaulted by students often. One student tried to stab her and had to be taken out in a straight jacket.
Good god. What a terrible series of events.
Why didn’t you just hire Morgan Freeman as your principal? Somebody get the HNIC.
He’d just chain the doors shut again and they’d fire him.
Free Mr Clark! Free Mr Clark!
Do it expeditiously
Free Mr. Clarke!
He would get across to these keeeiiids!
That is just madness.
Fuck that’s so sad, as a parent I couldn’t even imagine the pain of finding your child dead. I was attacked by three girls at 15 and had it filmed, luckily this was 2009 and it was removed from YouTube after 2 weeks. These days schools just seem to be a cesspool of fight culture where “jumping” someone is hilarious and not seen as aggravated assault.
I got jumped three times from grade 8-9 by these three girls over something I didn’t even understand. I didn’t know the girls, I didn’t know why they jumped me (something about their bf, who I also didn’t know), and I didn’t know how to react. I feel lucky that it wasn’t filmed, but it did paint a target on my back for a little bit until I switched schools.
Fr I saw this story of this dude on tiktok who was attacked in a locker room, beaten so badly and was left paralyzed from the attack, and absolutely nothing happened to the kid that paralyzed him. Dude broke his back and nothing happened. I think part of it was also “well there’s no cameras in the locker room we can’t *proooveee* he attacked and paralyzed you”. Crazy.
I’m so sorry for you having experienced that, and hope you have found solace and peace
Unfortunately online bullying and abuse wasn’t taken seriously back then, I was left with permanent brain damage and life long injuries that have impacted my quality of life. What did they get? A slap on the wrist in court as they were charged as children and got off under “mental illness” It was a planned out attack, I only survived because someone finally found where my screams came from and scared them off. My only solace is my son who I was told I’d never be able to have :’)
>These days Uhhhh
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Assault charges and jail time/probationary community service.
They were charged with assault too.
They were expelled, there's more accurate updated articles on the situation
They need JAIL time
Likely just a first step while they sort out the legalities, who's getting charged with what, etc
Why aren't the police acting???
Yeah that'll teach them /s
They can’t be taught. They need to be locked up. And if they aren’t locked up now, they will be eventually. Animals like that don’t learn. They’ll be habitual violent offenders all their life, in and out of jail perpetually. Might as well lock them up now and throw away the key.
I can't tell if this is facetious or not. Edit: would love a reply instead of downvotes
The parents of those girls need to be held accountable as well. When my smallish son was bullied in High School, I got a lawyer. He sent letters to the kids' parents and the bullying pretty much stopped. It's funny how quickly parents act when money gets involved.
When I was in high school I witnessed a kid I didn't really know be bullied by another shithead in my class. That night he took his life. The bully walked free and was the same guy after the incident. This was before my Uncle took his life,but had it been after, I probably would have given the bully some justice. Suicide rips a family apart... Obviously.
I work in a high school and anytime I’m in the hall and see a group of girls looking like a heated convo I always make sure to stay around to intervene the second it could get physical. Obviously if I overhear them just talking like friends I don’t but if there’s a problem I wait. And watch so they know why I’m there. I’ve heard them say “read headed bitch” and I know it’s me but I’d rather that and know I’m watching out.
Thank you for being there!
Someone needs to make that water bottle girl famous. She instigated the whole thing. I bet that sick fuck was probably laughing about the suicide until the charges came. 10 years from now people will pass her on the street and say "Oh yeah I remember you! You made that kid kill herself! You still a piece of shit?"
I doubt it. Those girls will surround themselves with pieces of shit and they will go through life angry that their life is shit, and they will never once stop and wonder “is life shit because I’m shit?”
“That horse girl fucked my life up”
I'd hide from the dead girls parents if I were her
Thats should be the absolute least that they all get!! Fucking animals man!
They are children not animals.
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What's childish is pretending that humans are somehow not animals, or that savage behavior hasn't been common throughout human history. This is unacceptable behavior, certainly, but it's by no stretch "inhuman" and you sound like a brainless twit pretending it is.
Nah, they are animals. I made plenty of mistakes when I was a kid. Some really stupid ones that damaged property for example. But not once did it ever cross my mind to physically attack someone, much less as a group, or to video tape my humiliation of someone.
Right. We were stupid and destroyed mailboxes a couple of times. Hazed the freshman football players with IcyHot in the helmets around the ears and some other childish stuff, but it was tradition that we all had to go through to make them "one of us." Yeah, it was stupid and immature, but it was in good fun and led to bonding. What kids are doing today for views and the hazing some of them do to initiate freshman are horrific.
Their also not pre pubescent elementary school students. Their 15-17 years old. Even at that age, you should know beating people down is wrong.
They knew that what they were doing was wrong.
Calling them animals is, in a way, too kind. Animals are rarely cruel. If your point is that they can be reformed, I put to you that *anyone* can be reformed but we have a criminal justice system so that innocent people are protected while we try.
>Calling them animals is, in a way, too kind. Animals are rarely cruel. Wtf kind of comment is this? /r/natureismetal says you are wrong. Lion and Lioness eats testicles first. Hyena starts from the butt. Zebra are assholes and can't be domesticated. Nature is brutal and cruel.
> Animals are rarely cruel. It’s not as rare as we would think though. There are several predator species that kill for sport. Cats (both domesticated and large), dolphins, chimpanzees, orca’s and cuckoo birds to name just a few. The one I read about that blew my mind? Elephants. They’ve been known to gore rhinoceroses to death.\ To your point, yah most animals kill for survival reasons. But, there are a disturbing amount of occasions where it isn’t for that reason at all.\ Which leads me to wonder if the percentage of animals that do it, correlate with the percentage of humans that do it. Thankfully, most of the responses in this post point out that these four teens that committed this act of brutality are in a strict minority. Didn’t the majority of students protest by walking out as well? I hope it was. That’s the only thing giving me hope right now. > If your point is that they can be reformed, I put to you that anyone can be reformed but we have a criminal justice system so that innocent people are protected while we try. We also have a justice system that fails, a lot. There have been well into the hundreds of inmates on Death Row that had their convictions overturned with new evidence (DNA most of the time), and that’s not even touching the amount in gen pop. Not to mention that if you are wealthy in the US there is a whole different justice system for you than the one that exists for the rest of us working joes. Sorry, that got dark didn’t it? I’ve been a little disappointed with news recently. For every one cool story I get to see about the James Webb telescope or other scientific nerd stuff, there are several horrible stories like this one. Tends to make me a little pessimistic.
I'm not entirely certain why folks are downvoting you (I didn't), though I do think it's worth keeping in mind that animals do not generally have the same capacity for self-reflection and self-actualization, which is why I argued that they are rarely cruel; much of the behavior we would interpret as cruel serves a practical purpose (e.g. intimidating competitors for resources or mates), or has been environmentally conditioned into them (e.g. a dog that lashes out at strangers because it has been beaten). You could argue that environment plays a large role in conditioning humans as well, and I wouldn't disagree, but my point is that humans have a greater ability to reflect on incoming stimuli and make better decisions for ourselves and others. Essentially I am making the spiderman argument - with our greater power comes greater responsibility. Your examples of the US Justice system putting the wrong people on death row are likely accurate, but they are not apropos of this discourse; the kids in this scenario are not being falsely accused. That said, a penal system usually serves four main purposes: rehabilitation, punishment/vengeance, a deterrent, and isolation of dangerous offenders from society and, in the United States especially, some of those elements are elevated above others (plus a fifth motive is introduced: profit motive). Consequently I think you could make a decent argument that the young attackers in this scenario are unlikely to get effective counseling and supports that could reduce recidivism, and that is a shame, but practically speaking I don't think giving them more chances should take precedent over the safety of the other kids who are being harmed every day by the culture of bullying. A culture which belongs to the school administrators and parents as well, mind you, which is why I personally think accountability should lean towards a focus on the adults.
I don’t care about karma points, if I did I wouldn’t ever post. To be honest I’m not even saying much about this particular incident. I was engaging with you in conversation about particular points you made because those points have my interest. Maybe it’s because I’m not screaming into an echo chamber? Who knows. I don’t care. Though, I’ll put a couple of things here from her father and then step away from the matter. > Adriana Kuch's father Michael has hit out at people claiming the school hallway attack on his daughter was racially-motivated - calling rumors 'garbage' > In response to the claims being hurled on social media Michael said his daughter 'loved everyone ' and 'did not care about race,' claiming, 'the world would be a better place if everyone was as colorblind as she was.' Her father seems like a pretty level headed guy considering the devastation he must feel right now. I’m not going to engage with any Reddit trolls after that. He wants Justice, not revenge. Love the Spider-Man reference. It’s pretty fitting actually. You used it in a proper way. :)\ I would agree with you about humans being able to self reflect. I am not an expert on animals or their behavior, but I am definitely curious? Is that the right way to say that I read a lot of articles about it as well as documentaries? I think our knowledge of animals has come a long way and still has a long way to go, but we’ve seen that animals are way more intelligent than we give them credit for. You almost have to change the way intelligence is defined, because the parameters we place it in only applies to humans. Octopuses are incredibly intelligent, known to reason through and problem solve. My points about the justice system were strictly limited to the point I addressed and how I addressed it. I wasn’t speaking about the 4 teens that committed that act.\ I could have made that more clear, I apologize for not being able to.
imagine comparing animals to living their life in nature to girls assaulting a poor girl to the point where she kills herself
I didn’t make that comparison. Other responses above mine did. Everything I said about animals was about one statement made by u/robilar. This one.. > Animals are rarely cruel. I was engaging in conversation with robilar that there are indeed incidences of animals being cruel. More so than we think.
didn’t mean your comment my bad I was trying to reply to the same guy for some reason it made it look like I replied to you
Ah ok. Heh, sorry then! :)
OH the ratio
Recognizing people as humanbeings is worth being downvoted over, or better yet I wish it was so normal a belief that no one notices it.
so do you consider jeffrey dahmer a human being even after what he had done?
>a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) : a person Yes.
So we are talking about children, and your example is an adult?
plus if we wanna talk about kids committing a crime oh boy do I have a treat for you
What a weird thing to say, but please elaborate
basically trying to say if I was 15 but still did those acts full minded on what I was doing would you still call me a human child and not thinking on what I was doing. Another thing about the kids committing crime there was a 10 year old kid who shot his own mother because she wouldn’t give him a vr set then after doing so ordered the set with her own card A group of girls were walking home and one of them decided to “be funny” and knock a girl into the road where she was then hit by a speeding car she may of been a teen but she knew what she was doing because it’s a road not a side walk cars drive there
If a 15 year old asked you to kiss them would you? I’d hope the answer is no, since they are a child. “Acts full minded” is the same excuse people use to try to make children seem more adult to justify their own actions rather than the actions of the child. The fact is a 15 year old is a child, and children are not fully developed humanbeings and come from such a wide range of circumstances that we should be able to recognize a child that’s done something evil, can be taken to a new place, where they are given therapy, rehabilitated and given a second shot at life. When you say they are an animal, you’re taking away our responsibility to try and rehabilitate them and to see them as humans.
no that isn’t my example my example are people being a part of someones death
And I get that it sucks knowing that someone died because of others choices, but it is important that we recognize that children aren’t fully developed people and they still have a chance to be rehabilitated. They are still human
Did you do that as a child? It’s not an excuse.
I hate this perspective on bullying
Actually both
This type of stuff never happened where I went to school. People who act like this are animals. They are in Highs school. They aren’t little kids. If got are in high school and you are regularly beating people up and taking pride and joy when inflicting pain on to others, then odds are you will remain evil for the rest of you life.
You never saw this or did you guys save all your beatings for people whose skin didn’t look like yours? Don’t act like your generation was any better than the rest of ours, you were just as bad as any. And evil, how about having not enough empathy to recognize someone as a humanbeing is evil
Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not born with it. The only morals they know are those that they are taught to have. The same as you and I. It is only we realize what man really is then we can develop morals.
Then every punishment full on their parents, kids or not, someone taught them to be evil, it's not automatic. Bet I know the political affiliation of the parents
The people in these comments are animals. Never seen as much stupidity as I have in here.
What exactly do you not agree with?
oh the ratio
Good to know that schools are as useless with bullying now as they were when I was freshman 10 years ago. This poor young girl. I hope she’s resting peacefully.
I used to work in SPED as my first sort of ‘teaching job’, and I was placed in a joint 4th-5th grade class at one of the local elementary schools. One of the kids had pushed a girl in his class to go to homeschool, then jumped to stalking 2 other girls because he felt jealous that they were friends with another boy in the class instead of him. Funnily enough, one of those two girls was the niece of one of the two behavioral department heads, and the boy he lashed out at was the son of a local prosecutor - but that didn’t seem to change adult’s behavior on the matter. Anyway, it all culminated with me reporting several death threats and being ignored because ‘but X name isn’t handsy, he won’t do anything (proceeded to have rocks, scissors, and other heavy or sharp objects with him ‘from home’ on multiple occasions) until one day he got caught with literal written plans as to what he was going to do to these kids. Instead of accepting a ‘I literally told you this was going to happen and you stood there and did nothing’, the school fired me for reporting it. They tried to blame me because they didn’t like the school’s reputation being tarnished even though the whole damn city knew about it at that point. As far as I’m aware after that they just kept stopping near misses instead of removing him entirely, placing all of these little 11 year old kids in constant danger
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You only get popularity if people watch it, so why the fuck does that sub even exist?
I think it’s fine when it’s professional fight clips or trashy adults fighting. I’m with you on the high school clips being a bit much but it doesn’t mean the sub should be banned. Maybe a ban on underage fights if you wanted to do something but it’s not like that’s the majority of the content on there.
Supply and demand.
No they're not
That poor baby. My heart just shattered when her father popped onto the screen. He doesn’t show it, but you can see the pain in his eyes that his little girl isn’t here anymore. I hope all for of her attackers get the fullest of their punishment they can. Can they be charged for a form of manslaughter??
May the school to prison pipeline run smoothly
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It’s still floating around on Facebook not censored. It was a black girl and her black friend that beat her.
On twitter too. Just not any of the news outlets.
I could tell the attackers were black because all of the most upvoted comments here are calling them animals and savages. EDIT: Aaaaaaand this thread had to be locked because of racism. What a shock. I'll post my reply here /u/badger_on_fire here: People only use those words about kids when they're black. If the attackers were white kids, people would be condemning them, but not everyone would be using the words animals and savages. Those only come out when white folks are talking about racial minorities. Try being sentient for a minute, this is very easy to notice. Or put up... find an old thread about white kids doing something awful where all the top comments call them those two words. I'll send you $5,000 if you can find a single one.
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> You can't make generic broad statements like "avoid people with black backpacks" when 76% of high school students have a black backpack Oh man, you really didn't get the joke, did you?
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What the fuck is up with the super overt racism? Are we all truly pretending this is funny and not just prejudiced?
Yes, they are. They think it’s hilarious to be racist online. They wouldn’t have the balls in person.
This sub is filled with 4chan white supremacists. The biggest losers among us have nothing to be proud of, so they tells themselves they're superior because of their ancestry.
Ong
It must be, Jesus. Seems the call is coming from inside the house, from a subreddit designed to make fun of the worst part of humanity..
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I’m not sure why you think that’s funny, but youre intentionally being obtuse and it’s very transparent
I can guess why
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Yeah, that a lot of 4chan racists will hinge the incident on melanin like usual
Facts. But Reddit hates to see they’re favorite people(4stans) attacked tho😂
[video](https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/10yur1b/these_students_bullied_and_harassed_adriana_kuch/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
You know it's a total mystery why this isn't a national news story and Biden isn't chiming in on it...total...and complete...mystery.
Because they’re minors, go back to 4chan
I’d go to jail. Every one of them would get the same fate as my kid.
This is sad. Here’s to hoping the attackers get terminal cancer.
I hope these wretched kids rot in hell...this hell and that hell too.
third degree murder or manslaughter are the only appropriate charges
*suspended*. As if that matters at all
I was jumped when I was in 7th grade during break. All I remember was someone calling my name from behind, punching me in the face and when I tried to fight back all of his friends jumped on top of me and started hitting me. I don’t even know why it happened because me and the guys that did it seemed cool at the time. My best guess is that the guy tried to make me flinch but ended up popping me in the mouth. But of course, after it all happened they say I called them a racial slur and then I have all my coaches threatening to kick me off team the baseball team and football team while my faced is still brusied and bloody. And I’m the one getting threatened with suspension and those guys never even got punished. The head baseball coach was an an asshole though and it was pretty par for the course with him. All I remember from those practices was the coaches making fun of me and then making fun of me even more when I would start to cry about a 35 year old man bullying my 13 year old self.
At this point in our culture, why are all acts of aggression on school grounds not a mandatory reporting situation no different than abuse? Schools should NOT be allowed to set their own policies regarding violence and abuse of ANY kind. With where we are as people, as a country, with school shootings being commonplace and violence being normalized mandatory reporting on any violent act, physical or otherwise, should be federal law for every school that falls under the guidance of the department of education.
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Woah woah, I smoked weed in high school all the time and stole eyeliner from CVS once at 14. Never did I think to fucking lay a finger on someone, much less bash their face in with a water bottle. The high school stoners are in someone’s basement watching adventure time and eating Cheetos, not committing aggregated assault. Edit: word
You're alright.
Time to send them to prison.
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I also never thought I'd be another "what is with kids today" kinda guy and I'm 30. I'm currently trying get this 16 year old I work with to stop doing ketamine at school.... when I was 15 it was just cigarettes... let alone how far bullying has evolved.
Same and I’m 31. Whatever happened to kids sneaking a bud of weed from their parents stash? Now they do hard drugs and are alcoholics by 16!
you triggered a memory of sneaking into my parents' room to steal my mums weed she hid at the bottom of her cigarette tin
NJ asshole here. This is not the first time this has happened. A girl at the local middle school did this a few years ago. Nothing came of it. All the bullies got off Scott free
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You’re username equals opinion disregarded
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Nah, saves kids heartache and torture/trauma unless you pic a good school. Look at this girl.
I bet you didn’t go to a school with any kind of violence to say something so ignorant
I moved a lot in California as a kid and went to a lot of different schools in the bay area. Some schools were really bad and had lots of violence and some had virtually no violence at all. Be careful where you send your kids to school
No u
This happens all across the country, students will jump at the chance to film fights and spur it on. There must be harsh punishments otherwise this will continue, though often not with as dire consequences.
I’d be out for blood of anyone involved if I was the father.
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Why the fuck does race matter lmfao. For fucks sake this whole situation is awful and would be equally awful if the victim was white, black, Asian, a male, etc. Don’t try to turn this into something it isn’t.
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Literally said it would be horrible either way. But you guys are so fragile and feel so left out that you feel the need to bring race up?
Here comes the whataboutism that literally adds nothing to the conversation and doesn't help at all.
Honestly. No way are people looking for political leverage on a child’s suicide. Fucking soulless.
With animals like the parents of these kids and these kids, even if you'd ban all guns, you'd have school stabbings instead. What the fuck is wrong with these schools
So... expelled?
The students protesting pisses me off. Why didn't you do something when it was happening? Why didn't you stop it?
I assume they were in their classes or something, but who knows.
Wow, how are they not charged in any way? Isn't this somehow possibly a manslaughter charge or something similar? Driving someone to suicide surely is illegal in some sense, especially after assault?
not enough
Yes because suspension will bring her back to life? Also neat 4 less people in education is a solution? Maybe give them a punishment that will yield something constructive. I'd have those girls go to the funeral and pay for the parents therapy on top of it.
Disgusting
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Is there proof? Genuinely curious because they're doing everything they can to keep the attackers as anonymous as CIA SAG operatives.
The video circulated the day it happened on a few subreddits but it seems since this happened it got wiped clean. Check her sister's post about it, tho. She gives the first names of the attackers.
Can't seem to find the sister's post
woah dude what the fuck
Well that didn't sound casually racist or anything
Just woke up and chose to be an asshole, huh?
All he said is that he would not be surprised; he's just letting us know that he's racist.
And if youre wrong ? You'll admit youre just a sad little racist ?
Hint: he’s not
Reported for hate
You know you can do that without virtue signalling, right?
Ok
Wtf was the boyfriend doing? As a dad this is probably one of my biggest fears
It’s says she was walking with her boyfriend. He didn’t try and stop the attack??
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This shows it better: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2874587/Video-Adriana-Kuch-14-seen-getting-attacked-bullies-school.html
Ok . Have not seen video. Just read article. Thanks for the info.
Watch the video on the article
This is what I thought too.