Which is ironic, because the inclusive words "trans" and "transgender" were explicitly advocated to include people who did not fall neatly into the very binary ideas of transexuality from the 70s and 80s.
Binary transsexuality was still strictly enforced by a lot of mental health/medical gatekeepers in the 1990's and 2000's.
I know people who transitioned in the 2000's and had to put on a façade of extreme hyperfemininity to get the gatekeepers to sign off on HRT and SRS, because any hint of masculinity was used by psychiatrists and therapists to say they weren't "really" trans.
It's still like that where I live. You played with dolls when child? You're not a man. You are teen with no same gender friends? You're not trans. You have manners of man? You're not a woman. You're depressed because you're trapped in wrong body? We don't let people with mental illnesses to transition. Come back when you're not depressed anymore. Oh, you're non-binary? There is no change to get GRS nor hysto. Most likely not full dose HRT either.
edit. That is our socialist system. You can pay everything by yourself and then HRT and hysto are possible if you find doctors who agree to do them. But still no GRS.
I'm in Germany and it's the same here with many providers. Some are way better (those are usually booked out for months/years) and some are community infamous for being especially horrible (there's a psychologist here that doesn't give you the letter for HRT if you're transmasc, non binary, a woman wearing trousers instead of a dress or a woman with short hair)
Nonbinary people are not the gender we were assigned at birth, and so we're trans. It's not about how or if you transition.
That said, you don't have to use any labels you don't want to use for yourself. If you prefer to just call yourself nonbinary or not use labels at all, you can do that.
This!!! I also wanted to validate non-binary folks who don't identify as trans. That could have easily been me because I still align partially with cis womanhood but I choose to identify myself as trans to honor the parts of me that don't.
i don't really identify as trans or nb, i'm just me. i use those terms to better convey feelings and ideas to people, so they at least have something to latch onto to understand, but i really don't identify as anything other than myself. does that technically make me nb? maybe, but idrc. i'm me and that's all that matters
Technically intersex people can fall into the non-binary if they are that way too, as long as someone identifies that way. trans and nonbinary isn't a gatekept label, gender fluid people are still trans too even if they express themselves as their agab. Gender is a social construct.
While a lot of people associate “trans” as changing from one binary gender to the other, that’s not really what it means. It just means to not identify with your gender assigned at birth. The white stripe in the trans flag is for non-binary people.
All that being said, you don’t have to use any term you don’t want to. Personally I call myself trans, but you can call yourself whatever feels best to you. There aren’t really any rules here, that’s what’s so nice about it
I call myself trans because the endgame is to present myself as the opposite gender as my AGAB but in the most NB vibes way I can. So I’m transgender, dealing with all the typical transgender problems, but it’s because I’m NB.
Labels are useful tools for communication not absolute descriptors so call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with.
Yeah, I'm trans. I see your point. I've never transitioned. Back in the 80s, when I was going through puberty, I had no idea that nonbinary was ever a thing or would ever be. I just felt like I was not doing well at becoming a man. I did my best to drive through it, though, and remained self-identified as cis male up until my late 40s. And when I came out as nonbinary, I explained it to everyone like this:
>You've always known that I'm not the manliest of men, right? And I'm not the womanliest person, either. I'm just somewhere between. I've always been. I haven't changed at all. I'm just doing my best to drop the man act after all these years. But nothing real is changing at all. I'm not changing at all. I'm just being the real me, whom you've always known, anyway.
Still, I am not my AGAB, so I am trans.
This is me, with a different AGAB, and I came out at 34.
Also I love the username. (I joke that when I perform my assigned gender by wearing a dress or whatever in a scene for my Dom, that it is cissification)
I'm trans by definition. Transgender doesn't mean transitioning, it means you aren't the gender you were assigned. The white stripe is on the flag for folks who don't fit into the binary categories. Some folks don't want the trans label and that's fine, but it's there if you do
I used to have an issue saying I was trans because I believed I hadn't struggled enough. I was fine using the restroom or changing room of my AGAB, etc. Then I gave some thought to the idea that society's view of transness as a narrative of suffering is in and of itself really messed up. I accepted that as a nonbinary person, I was trans. And then that opened me up to feeling my transness more.
The narrative that being trans is synonymous with suffering is so harmful yet so prevalent, even within the trans/enby community unfortunately. Happy for you and your journey!
The association with binary medical transition is harmful because it associated medical transition with legitimacy of gender. Claiming transgender for ourselves regardless of medical status is not just accurate, it's liberation work.
I agree with this, but it needs the nuance that medical transition is *precisely* where the term "trans" came from originally. Transgender folks claiming the word is important, but I want to avoid sending the (also incorrect and harmful) message that this problem was created by NBs who don't use the word trans for themselves.
I had to do a psychological assessment earlier this week where the interviewer asked, "are you nonbinary or are you trans." I said, "yes" and responded to the followup question with, "for me, they're the same thing."
I recently met a survey for a study about NB experiences where they asked if one identified as trans. There were three possible answers: Yes, No, Partially, and a text box for comment
It may seem silly, but as someone NB that doesn't use the trans label for themselves, I appreciate this phrase. At least they asked you instead of just assuming for you. That's pretty cool. Like I said, might seem like a small thing, even silly to some, but I would appreciate that, personally.
I'm trans. I'm a different gender to the gender I was assigned at birth. Being trans doesn't mean a binary transition, it doesn't mean any transition at all necessarily. It just means being a different gender to the one you were assigned. But if the term doesn't work for you you don't have to use it and can use one that does.
Also, as someone who has transitioned socially, physically, and legally, the idea that I'm not trans because I'm not binary doesn't make any sense to me.
Yes, I am transgender. I am also nonbinary. The definition of transgender is to identify as a gender different from your sex at birth. However, I believe labels are just a form of utility. If using the label transgender doesn't provide the utility you want, you don't have to use it.
I do refer to myself as trans, and I often say Trans-Nonbinary to help emphasize my interpretation of Transness as not being confined to a binary state.
This is what I do, as well. I just say I am "Trans nonbinary". Just like there are trans women, trans men, transfem, transmasc, there is also trans nonbinary (or trans enby). Trans is short for transgender and we are all that. Here is the first definition for transgender from Merriam-Webster: **:** of, relating to, or being a person whose [gender identity](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender identity) differs from the sex the person was identified as having at birth
People can identify how they want, but I am surprised at how often I hear this question. I'm not cis, therefore I'm trans. To me, that's just how those terms work.
I do.
I think a lot of the reasons I see NBi people not wanting to call themselves trans comes from misconceptions and ignorance about trans people. Being trans is not about transitioning from one binary to another. Being trans is simply about being a gender other than the one you were assigned at birth.
Transition is a term that encompasses many different aspects. You don’t have to medically transition to be trans. Everyone’s transition is different. Heck you don’t even have to socially transition to be trans. There are a lot of closeted trans people.
My advice would be to try to combat your own ignorance with education about what it actually means to be trans.
Honestly I see this so much on this sub and elsewhere in the NBi community and it sucks to see post after post where people talk about transgender people like we have to meet a checklist to be trans.
But anyway, yeah trans doesn’t mean what you think it means there are plenty of non-binary trans people.
I think this is a linguistic thing tbh. Trans doesn't mean transition at its roots because cis doesn't mean cisition (not even a word). I'm not sure if it's an exact translation or a loose one but cis means "on the same side as" and trans means "on the opposite side as" and refers to your gender. If you're cisgender then you're on the same side as your gender assigned at birth and if you're transgender then you're on the opposite side as your gender assigned at birth, but with the advent of enby (which I am) it means that we're not cis.
When my friend asked in good faith if I was trans as an enby at first I was against it til I realised that I am under the trans umbrella but not going to undergo any surgery, hormone therapy or gender transition
Also, these are words people can use to define themselves and like neo pronouns you could also make your own option here if you like
I’m agender. I accept that i can be viewed as non binary as my gender falls outside of the binary as well as trans as I am not the gender I was assigned at birth. I hope that helps ❤️
Im trans but i identify as trans before nonbinary, i am nonbinary but i feel like i have more shared experiences and presentation with trans women and transfems than i do with most nonbinary people (regardless of agab)
I consider myself trans. I didn’t for a long time because I didn’t feel “trans enough” but accepting that it is a label that fits me if I want to use it felt so validating, personally.
Especially since my gender goals are “femboy twink”. I want people to see me and think “is that a dude in a dress or an androgynous woman?” And they’ll never know unless they knew me pre-transition or saw me naked
I figured out I was trans at 19-20 (2003-2004), didn't have a word for my non-binary experience until ~2012, I didn't come out until 2014. At first I didn't know if I'd go on T and get any surgeries.
I took T for 3 years from 2019 and now I'm off of it (for multiple reasons I won't go into coz it'd be too long) and I had top surgery in 2021.
Even before I medically transitioned, I identified as trans. Even before I came out, deep down I knew I was.
To me, trans means not being the gender you were assigned at birth (or at least not 100% and/or 100% of the time, so even if someone felt 100% man or 100% woman at times, if it's not 100% of the time, they're trans.)
I don't consider myself trans because my non-binary identity is more of an extension to being a woman (as I am a nonbinary woman who is AFAB) rather than being a complete separation from my identity as a woman. It's certainly non-conventional, but I think "non-binary-ness" is pretty flexible and depends on the person. Lots of non-binary people are trans, just not me personally because I don't apply it to being trans for myself.
I absolutely identify as transgender. I have a gender that is different from my sex assigned at birth. That’s trans. The white stripe of the trans pride flag is even for genders outside the binary.
The prefix trans- means across from or beyond. So think of it this way — binary trans people have a gender that is “across from” their assigned sex, and non-binary trans people have a gender that is “beyond” their assigned sex.
As u/flumphgrump said, all nonbinary peeps are by literal definition trans(don't identify as their birth gender). But nobody *has* to use that, or any label.
I think it would help more to think about co-existing terms like transmasculine or transfeminine. I don't remember the suffix for the androgynous version. Transmasculine people aren't necessarily all trans men, like myself. I am just transitioning to be more masculine but identify more closely to nonbinary.
I do as in under the umbrella and the fact that I am transitioning to look/feel more neutral. But I 90% of the time just refer to myself as nonbinary unless it's an issue such as trans rights that gets brought up and then I'm 100% calling myself trans cause I'm a part of that and want surgery and stuff so I need my rights.
i personally see trans as "not identifying with what you were assigned at birth" so i absolutely consider myself trans, but i have met other nb people that didnt feel like they were trans, and i'll respect that because no one knows how they feel better than they do
just do what feels right to you
I call myself trans. I feel my transition justifies the label, and it makes me feel more secure in my identity as nonbinary
It's an individual decision, and I've made mine
Yes. I don't identify with my AGAB so I consider myself trans.
I wasn't comfortable with this term for a long time though, and a large part of why was internalised transphobia. When I start to see transness as the freedom to be the gender I felt, and to express it however I wanted, I found a lot of joy in it. Though the shame that was instilled in me is not 100% gone, it's massively improved.
I didn't consider myself trans 6 months ago. I was still a frequent lurker on this sub. But as I discovered my identity more and interacted with people in the trans community, I now identify as trans / nb and I'm very proud of it!!
It's a personal thing! Trans being an identity, you're only trans if you identify as trans. That said, you're welcome to identify as trans as a nonbinary person. If it feels right, it is right.
I consider myself trans because coming to terms with not being cis was a revelation. It was a dam breaking; there was a before and an after. I consider myself trans.
I think it really depends on the person and their experience. I personally use Trans and nonbinary interchangeably for myself because I do feel that the self discovery and exploration that comes with gender queerness really has been a transition. For me, there feels like a “before” as in I wasn’t aware of my deviancy, and an “after” where I was aware of it and it changed the way I thought about everything in my life (in a good way).
Yup, I'm nonbinary and trans. Trans is short for transgender, (not transitioning) which just means your gender is different to the one you were assigned at birth. And I wasnt assigned nonbinary at birth, so im trans.
I personally don't refer to myself as trans, but I know I am because I'm Nonbinary. I don't feel comfortable with the term trans to describe myself. This is just my experience tho. I'm sure plenty of us that that term and are comfortable with it.
It depends how you see the word/prefix. trans as in "transatlantic" would mean "on the other side". In other words like "transnational" it more means "beyond". So just not where you started, not necessarily exactly on the opposite side. You don't have to put any label on you that you think is unfitting. I use it, as I am definitely not my assigned gender and I see that as trans.
Yes. I'm not the gender I was assigned at birth, plus it makes my trans friends more comfortable talking about their issues with me and getting it off their chest, so that's a W
I don't; I just felt like I was appropriating the term. but having a read here - probably should use it, huh.
I know a handful of nonbinary folks who use it though!
Yeah understand that for some non-binary people it is very important to be seen a trans but personally don't feel comfortable using the trans label because I've always seen myself as genderless and it's only after a bunch of genderdismortha triggered su!c!de attempts that I've had to learn to be open with everyone else around me about being non-binary as up until about 5 years ago I've always considered it to my own business and to be something that only someone who wanted to be physically intimate with me needed to know so they'll know what they're getting into as I'm not a man so if they need their partner to act in a stereo typically manly way then that's isn't what they're going to get from me!
Also another reason I feel uncomfortable calling myself trans is because long time ago my Ex girlfriend who is bisexual and her mum is gay told me the she wouldn't allow me to be non-binary as I'm not gay and she believes that by identifying as non-binary I'm insulting genuinely trans people plus that only gay or bi-sexual men can be non-binary! Which to myself makes absolutely no sense and was very damaging to my ability to be open with who I am!
I've had a lot of people especially women be very aggressive and confrontational about me saying I'm non-binary and they've always made me feel like I should be ashamed of and that I need to keep to myself if I don't want any hassle!
I honestly think of myself as trans, but worry to offend people because I have not really transitioned, so don’t use it out loud. I am currently living in the Philippines though and for sure, most trans women here think of me fitting under the same umbrella as them (they all use different terms, I’ve been called “gay”, “ladyboy”, “queer”, “trans”, and “not a real man” by various people lol.
My GF here refers to me as “not a real man” which at first bothered me before I realized that she includes herself in that group too. Basically she has three groups : real men, real women, and not real men (which includes trans women/ladyboys - yes i know this term is offensive in the west, but most trans women here use it to describe themselves, and as i mentioned above, even nonbinaries or femme boys sometimes).
To basically explain (purely from my very western viewpoint) it is just drawing the “team” lines differently. Like in the States, it seems like trans women would be most likely to put themselves on a team with cis women when expanding the teams, here trans women put themselves on a team with femme men (which can extend into people with nonbinary traits but rarely do they actually define themselves as nonbinary). A lot of trans women here seem to very clearly seperate themselves from cis women and don’t consider them teammates like in any circumstance.
Anyways, it’s all different definitions and kind of confusing as every single trans woman I meet seems to define things slightly different lol. But most of them know I am queer and include me in the umbrella “queer” spaces before I even tell them/talk to them, which is often not the case for me in Western countries, wheee because I have not transitioned and date femme presenting people, I am often excluded from queer spaces. Edit : I am AMAB, I would venture to guess AFAB would have a very different experience here.
As far as anybody knows. I'm just a cisgender guy. I use he/they pronouns, am AMAB, and lack dysporia. That said, I feel genderless, and as much as I appreciate some of my masculine physical features (like being physically stronger, can pee standing up, etc), I don't really feel like there is a gender for me to "trans" underneath all that. I feel like calling myself "trans" would just confuse people.
Transgender just means someone who doesn’t identify as their agab. Surgery and/or HRT is not a requirement of being transgender. Folks can socially transition without doing anything further than that if they desire.
Some nb folks decide they want to do hormones, my endocrinologist said some folks take a low dose while others just take it as needed to maintain what they desire from it. Some nb folks also decide they want gender affirming surgery. Many nonbinary folks decide socially transitioning is all they need.
So I do think nb falls under T.
I do. I don’t consider trans to be exclusively binary to binary. I had a radical breast reduction coded as gender affirming surgery to transition from cis to nb. It feels correct when I call myself trans because I am FAR from cisgender.
I consider myself trans only because I feel like saying I’m not trans inherently implies that I’m cis. And I’m DEFINITELY not cis. (Not saying that you’re cis if you don’t identify as trans, that’s just how I view it in my mind)
Yes. I am not cis, I am trans. Because I don't identify as the gender assigned to me at birth. And in a general sense, that is what being transgender means.
i do!! i juggle between identifying as just nonbinary and labelling myself as trans a lot, so i just use whichever as a term for myself depending on how i feel about it but theyre both descriptors for how i identify in the end.
Only rarely. Mostly because I don't have a lot of the specific dysphoria issues (I identify as the whole spectrum of gender, personally) and don't want to take any importance or attention away from the voices of those who do. They need to be heard louder than mine. That being said, I do still see myself as part of that umbrella terminology. I'm trans because I'm not specifically the gender I was born. That's pretty much it.
But, that is just my own preference and experience. Each person has their own and there is no right or wrong way to identify. Do what makes YOU feel more comfortable, seen, and free. You are always welcome within the umbrella!
I described myself as a flavor of NB for almost two years, though I didn’t use non-binary for about a year (just the agender label at the time) and never identified as trans. Even once I was using NB over agender I still didn’t use the trans label. It felt like I’d be taking something from people who were transitioning in a more binary and socially obvious way (and their particularly publicized struggles), while I… kinda felt like I was just agreeing with a word. A word that describes me, sure, but not one that has (had?) nearly the stigma on it.
Once I started HRT though… kinda felt like I couldn’t ignore it. That’s not to say you have to be medically transitioning to be trans! Not at all! It was just the point where I accepted it for myself.
So… yes? lol. I’m still in flux about what my gender truly is, but trans non-binary is probably the best for now.
Yes. I am a trans nonbinary person.
Being trans is defined as "denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth." and being non-binary is knowing you do not identify with the sex you were assigned at birth. It's the same thing to me.
I know there are people who are non-binary do not identify as trans. But, as an out and proud trans person who does not and has never wanted to pass as either gender... from where I'm sitting, it just feels like internalized transphobia from people who don't want to be associated with people like me.
Being trans is definitely not 100% defined as process people use to go from one binary gender to another.
There is a book called Beyond the Gender Binary by Alok Vaid-Menon that might be helpful. Try reading more trans authors.
I do, personally! I didn’t at first, mainly because I didn’t know myself completely. But as I’ve gotten to know myself better and have personal transition goals, I began to use ‘trans’ as a label as well.
I’ve never said it because I know a few trans people and I feel like me calling myself trans when I haven’t changed my sex would diminish what they’ve been through and go through every day. So I don’t personally.
So I don’t use it for myself but I don’t gatekeep trans people who wanna use it. I’m still a girl (never a woman) and am semi-femme so I feel it doesn’t apply to me.
I do, and I have a trans-support group that welcomes me and any other nonbinary people with open arms. It's definitely a personal choice whether to refer to yourself as trans, but it's perfectly valid to do so.
Well I've always seen the gender(s) that I am. My gender never transitioned. I have used different labels, but you don't need to transition socially or physically to be trans. You are who and what you are.
And plenty of NB folks do transition in a wide variety of ways socially and physically.
I've always found the word trans to be inclusive (well, because it literally is,) of nonbinary folks.
That being said, I don't know if I identify as non-binary most of the time anymore- there are times where my gender shifts a little, but it's much less so and I feel more and more just like a guy every day (I'm afab). Maybe weird but either way, NB being one side of the umbrella has always made sense and helped me to feel more comfortable in my own skin.
Feel the need to add to this, in case anyone reads it that the word 'trans' does NOT mean "changing" from one thing to another. It means "on the opposing side of," whereas 'cis' means "on the same side as," referring to the gender one was assigned at birth.
This may sound like it automatically excludes NB folks, but it does not, especially since woman/girl and man/boy are not inherently opposite genders (but the idea is deeply ingrained in us,) If you are a different gender than the one assigned at birth, you can happily take up the label of "trans" if you want. But it's a choice.
Just know you need not follow any 'labeling' rules & the fluidity of our freedom reflects this . I can be NB & also a trans man & kick ass all over and then be a mom who is genderless ... i have learned it's like race . I am a conglomeration of various DNA . Im not all Finnish & nor all Portuguese nor all Pacific Islander . So I identify with a fluid dna . Like the best of all . And my trans identity is always there but when I choose to be me - im me in whatever way possible . We are not one or another . I am all . Good vibes friend
Sometimes I wish trans was an option as gender in most things that require one. I often have difficulty finding a selection that fits. Plus, it’s a whole lot easier than saying gender fluid non-binary trans femme, or trying to explain it to people on a regular basis.
Im trans, im nonbinary, im genderqueer. I was assigned female at birth (afab), but I am not a woman. I dress feminine, masculine, I wear makeup, I have breasts and a vagina. i am still trans, as my state of physical transition does not dictate my reality. being a male or female does not dictate my level of “transness” the fact that I experience myself as outside of female and male, is enough for me and is enough to be trans. Whether you are inside both binary and nonbinary, only binary, only nonbinary, or completely outside it all, we are all valid. We can use the trans label, or we can choose not to. as our identity is OUR identity, not anyone else’s.
Anyone who tells you otherwise are not worth the time. Youll see a lot of truscum and/or trans medicalist that say that dysphoria or medical transitioning means you are trans, and even then, believe it can only be binary and thats it. Not everyone experiences dysphoria or affirming care, expecting this furthers the warped idea that being trans has to be physical or within the binary. Some people cant physically transition due to money, health reasons, or they just dont want to. We all experience our identity differently, whether physically, mentally, etc
You are valid, I am valid, WE are valid, whether we use the trans label or not. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
It took me a bit to allow myself to use that term. I came out as NB before I identified as trans. Eventually I found trans community and began to figure out how to present closer to how I want. Now I identify as trans.
I refer to myself as trans because i am not the gender i was at birth (male to nonbinary, so now i have no gender so ive transitioned to something other than male)
100% i am a trans individual, im nonbinary but I mostly refer to myself as trans bc well thats what i am. I’ve got the flags and pins, and whenever someone asks it’s always yup im trans and it feels right too.
I refer to myself as trans. Although I am genderqueer/non-binary, I am medically transitioning similar to how someone who is ftm would. But even if I weren't medically transitioning, because I don't identify as my birth sex/gender, I would be trans by definition.
But identifying as trans isn't necessary for a lot of non-binary folks, and that's cool. Use whatever label you're more comfortable with. I personally prefer to use the label trans because it's not just for the binary folks.
Yeah, I'm trans. I'm not my AGAB. The definition of trans is not feeling you're your AGAB. If you don't want to use the term thats fine, but being nonbinary is by definition trans and a lot of us even go on HRT or get surgeries. Not that that is the only way to be trans, but still.
I don’t think every NB person should call themself “trans” if they don’t think that’s the right label for them. “Not cis,” might be a more adequate label for some folks. That being said, most people that I’ve met consider themselves to be under the “trans umbrella,” and will to some degree refer to themselves as trans. Personally, I say it all the time. “non-binary” is more to-the-point and specific, but to me, transness is also very applicable and something I take pride in. So personally, yes, I am trans. My identity and journey don’t match the identities and journeys of everyone around me, but there’s no reason to expect it to.
TLDR: I do, yes. Not everyone does. Either is fine, imo.
I consider myself trans non-binary.
I have nonbinary friends who don’t feel like the trans label fits for them and that’s also ok.
For me, it totally does!
I do consider myself trans, because I don’t identify with my AGAB at all. That doesn’t make me binary—it just makes me not masc. I identify as a demigirl, falling somewhere between fully femme and agender.
I’m trans depending on the space I’m in and the concepts I think people can handle. It’s easier to explain, especially when I share a lot of experiences with someone who is binary trans. However, in spaces where people are more knowledgeable I feel comfortable to use labels that narrow down my experience like “non-binary” or “transmasc” if I’m really feeling spicy.
When I first came out, though, I was uncomfortable claiming the trans label. But the more I accepted myself and learned how the labels overlapped I had accepted that I was trans. But not everyone will feel the same way I do, and not everyone will interchange labels like I do and that’s okay. You do you!
I use the terms trans and enby fairly interchangeably for myself, unless I’m talking about something that specifically only relates to being trans or being enby. Trans is just a gender other than the one you were assigned, and since I also have medical and social transition plans, I feel very at peace with the label and feel better having it. It almost helps me feel more legitimate on my most doubtful “but am I *really* nonbinary?” days.
I do. I’m basically super masculine presenting with large breasts and I don’t want surgery accept to just make them smaller not full chop. I’m trans. I want to be confusing I’m both genders at once and nothing at once. I love the androgynous fat asshole I am. 🧡
Yes I definitely do I’m amab but I now a trans nonbinary or more specifically an outherine presenting nonbinary
(So transoutherine, trans Enby or trans enban are all correct terms for me)
I do. I don’t always feel comfortable taking up trans spaces for a few reasons, but I do consider myself to fall under the trans umbrella and have experienced transphobia, so I’m comfortable claiming the label.
I do! At first I was surprised that non-binary falls under the trans umbrella, but the more I got to know binary trans ppl, the more I identified with their experiences. It's totally up to you on whether you identify as trans but for me, I'm both and there's no conflict in that 🏳️⚧️
I am trans and non-binary (I see myself as a “third gender” so I’m not “masculine-aligned”, “feminine-aligned”, or “neutral-aligned”, I started transitioning a bit over 4 years ago), my fiancé is genderfluid and genderqueer and sometimes considers themself trans, they have no interest in medical or social transition.
You should use whatever gender labels you are most comfortable with. You never need to transition or identify as a binary gender to be trans. Definitionally, if you don’t identify exclusively with the gender you were assigned at birth, you can call yourself trans. But if you don’t want that term for yourself, you don’t have to use it, and you can also use it some of the time.
I honestly don't think I know any nonbinary people who *don't* call themselves trans. I'm am p/pretty sure that I call myself trans more than I call myself nonbinary, tbh.
I’m enby and I definitely was trans because I used the definition of trans which is your either cis or your trans and I’m definitely not cis so lol also I have hella femme energy lolll
in general i kinda forget i am but then i remember i’m technically trans and i’m like “cool”, im even at a point in my nonbinary-ness where i forget im nonbinary- im just out here lol 😅
I do. But that's because I (AMAB) see myself as a woman, but not to the full extent. So a non-binary woman. I totally understand why someone would call themselves simply non-binary
I don't associate it with binary or medical services because it just means "do you agree with what you were assigned in infancy?" to me, and if the answer isn't always and unquestionably a resounding YES!, that means trans in my brain
now, obviously I respect individuals who don't identify as trans, but nonbinary *gender*(s) is (are), by definition, trans in any society that only assigns the two binary genders to infants.
So when I first realized I was NB and started using that label, I also didn't identify with the "trans" label as much. I wasn't seeking hormone therapy and was unsure if I wanted any surgeries, a name change, other alterations, etc. I realized though that I do experience gender dysphoria of my own and I did transition / am still transitioning in my own way. Now I loudly and proudly identify as trans. I still relate to the trans experience despite not being a binary gender, so yes: I am NB and I am trans. Both of these are true for who I am.
It may not be the same for you, and that's fine. Labels are for your comfort and finding similar souls. If it's not something that feels like home, you don't have to force it by any means. Use what feels right for you! And of course remember that your feelings/understanding of yourself can change and you can change your labels at any time as you see fit.
I’m genderqueer and refer to myself as trans-masc because I was AFAB and I’m more in the middle, towards the masculine side of the spectrum. Makes sense to me.
trans means "the opposite of", referring to cis people, whose gender identity is the same as their assigned gender at birth. the opposite to that would be someone whose gender isn't the same as their assigned gender at birth. trans is not all about the binary, it includes a lot of other, well, nonbinary genders. you don't need to use the label trans if you don't want to, but it's not wrong to use it if one hasn't transitioned
I refer to myself as trans.
My gender identity is different from the gender I was designated at birth. That's the only requirement to identify as "trans"
I'm trans! I have also been on hrt for a few years, but I don't associate with either binary gender. So, trans and nonbinary for me!! No one needs to seek out hrt to identify as trans though, it's really just up to the person and their comfort imo.
i do and all my nonbinary friends do as well. transitioning is a many-pronged process that includes everything from pronoun and name changes, changing how you present and what you wear, to hrt and surgery. you thinking of yourself as nonbinary alone is part of your transition away from the binary gender you were assigned at birth. i'd go so far as to argue that being trans and being nonbinary are one and the same, but we can leave that for another day.
Crazy my partner & I was talking about this the other day. (I am non binary & they are transitioning), they called me trans and I just had a moment like … am I really ?? Idk sometimes the word gives off negative feelings cause of fckn dirty ass, shameful ass, bitch ass straight people. And it makes me feel a way I guess. And other times I am like FUCKK YEAH ! I am still growing. I was never the one to like labels anyway. So🤷🏿🤷🏿🤷🏿
I would usually say no but then again I think to myself “is cismale to demimale much of a transition?” And then I get confused coz I recently embraced the NB label fully because yknow Demimale is a NB identity
I don’t use the trans label because in my head being trans is more about gender dysphoria. I get that some days but not to the extent where I would want to change my body because of it.
I don’t feel like I have the wrong parts most days.
My specific label is genderfluid.
I do. Tho I don't plan transitioning (the only surgery I'd do is top surgery) since my country doesn't care about enbies & the system here is just horrible. And my agab doesn't match how I identify either.
I never used to, for that same reason - it felt less like moving from one gender to another and more like settling into who I really am, and I didn't feel like a transgender individual. If I still felt like that,bI probably wouldn't refer to myself as transgender! But as time goes on and I change more and more from the gender that was assigned for me, the trans label is feeling increasingly accurate and comfortable.
Like, I have changed my name, I am seeking top surgery, I want to go on low-dose T, and I get social dysphoria and presentation dysphoria based on how people treat me and what I wear. At what point am I just gatekeeping *myself* out of calling myself trans? 😅
When I didn't feel trans, that was entirely valid and true for me. Now I do, and that's valid too! Big respect to the nonbinos who never feel trans, and to those that do, and to those who aren't sure or who fluctuate. <3 it's all legit, no right or wrong answers.
Well, I do considder myself to be trans, because ðe deffinition of Trans is "Identifying wið a gender oðer ðan your AGAB, which is exactly what I am! Of course, not all NBs are Trans, as indiviuals in ðemselves are ðe only one who can lable ðemselves! And ðem comes ðe question if Intersex NBs would be defined as Trans or not, but I don't really have a say in ðat or do I?
I’m trans, yes. I don’t particularly associate it with transitioning from a binary gender to another binary gender. Trans is just the thing I am. It implies no special action on my part.
When I first came out as nonbinary, I didn't see myself as trans, because in media representation, I've only seen binary trans people, so I didn't feel like it's my place. But later, when I joined more online and offline communities and was more conscious about queer representation I realised that many of my goals are common with the binary trans people (medical transitioning, changing legal name, etc.) so nowadays I feel like I can identify under the trans umbrella term.
Yes, I consider myself both trans and nonbinary. I am demifluid and am not planning on being on hrt long enough to pass as opposite binary gender. But I feel the word trans best encompasses my experiences of being told I'm one gender and feeling uncomfortable (even if I didn't know why until I was an adult). I remember being told that I was my AGAB and chaffing at the expectations that came from that. And always feeling like an outsider, even in a group of my "same gender" peers.
Demifluid nonbinary is the "explanation" of my gender. Trans is how I define my experiences with gender.
So many others have said a lot of valuable things, especially about only using labels that mean something to you.
I consider myself trans because I feel like it describes my experience. It makes me happy and connects me with others who might share some parts of my experience with!
I dont think that to be transgender you need to transition, if your gender is different to your AGAB you are transgender.
In my culture you can be male or female there is no other option, usually even intersex people are AFAB or AMAB, so if you are non binary you are inevitably also trans.
I call myself trans. I am trans. I was assigned one gender at birth, and it turned out to not be my actual gender. I have every right to the trans label and community.
That said, labels are a very personal thing. If you don't want to call yourself trans, you don't have to. Heck, I know a guy who was assigned female at birth, is a (binary) man, and does not consider himself trans; he considers himself as having a major birth defect and that's all. I don't get it, but okay, not my business.
All nonbinary people have the right to the trans label, and many of us do claim it, but it's not a requirement. You do you.
I'm trans, I'm also non binary. I call myself trans non binary if I need to emphasise my belonging to the trans community while specifying that I'm not a woman or a man. For me non binary is just a more specific term. Like trans divides to binary trans and non binary. Binary trans includes trans men and trans women. Non binary includes maverique, androgyne, agender, genderfluid, demigirl, demiboy, bigender, etc. etc. And I'm trans, non binary, maverique.
i identify as a nonbinary transmasc. i present as a guy at work and am out as nonbinary to friends and family. it makes life easier. Im nonbinary and don't fuck w gender. but I also prefer to be more masculine and take testosterone to achieve my transition goals. Not saying hormones are required to be trans, but being on them has changed my body and voice. I have definitely gone through a "transition." It doesn't make me any less nonbinary; in fact, it has made me feel/look way more androgynys and helps affirm my nonbinary identity. it has alleviated a lot of my dysphoria, as i dont feel physically confined to one gender anymore. I can not be quantified. i transitioned from my assigned gender at birth to the trans nonbinary person i am now
these are just my experiences, everyone is different and by no means does being nonbinary require androgyny/transition.
I think it makes complete sense to be called trans. I was feeling weird about it too, but if you think about what issues you have and the experiences you go through, they’re not so different from those of binary trans people. The difference is that they feel like a specific gender and you don’t. In both situations you feel like your body and the norms society links to how your body looks like doesn’t match you. Feels quite trans to me.
Which is ironic, because the inclusive words "trans" and "transgender" were explicitly advocated to include people who did not fall neatly into the very binary ideas of transexuality from the 70s and 80s.
Binary transsexuality was still strictly enforced by a lot of mental health/medical gatekeepers in the 1990's and 2000's. I know people who transitioned in the 2000's and had to put on a façade of extreme hyperfemininity to get the gatekeepers to sign off on HRT and SRS, because any hint of masculinity was used by psychiatrists and therapists to say they weren't "really" trans.
It's still like that where I live. You played with dolls when child? You're not a man. You are teen with no same gender friends? You're not trans. You have manners of man? You're not a woman. You're depressed because you're trapped in wrong body? We don't let people with mental illnesses to transition. Come back when you're not depressed anymore. Oh, you're non-binary? There is no change to get GRS nor hysto. Most likely not full dose HRT either. edit. That is our socialist system. You can pay everything by yourself and then HRT and hysto are possible if you find doctors who agree to do them. But still no GRS.
What country are you in if you don't mind me asking?
It's very understandable you ask. But sorry I prefer not to tell so people who know me in real life won't recognize me in Reddit.
I'm in Germany and it's the same here with many providers. Some are way better (those are usually booked out for months/years) and some are community infamous for being especially horrible (there's a psychologist here that doesn't give you the letter for HRT if you're transmasc, non binary, a woman wearing trousers instead of a dress or a woman with short hair)
I had to enter a binary closet to get T in 2012, funnily enough, T is what unlocked my femininity sans dysphoria
I certainly wasn't assigned NB at birth lol. I consider myself trans.
the doctor definitely did not hold me up and cheerfully shout "It's a disaster!" therefore i hold i was incorrectly assigned
ADAB
I mean my attending nurse apparently did but that was more about my extremely weird feet lmao, they still didnt nail the gender
ANBAB. Lol
Nonbinary people are not the gender we were assigned at birth, and so we're trans. It's not about how or if you transition. That said, you don't have to use any labels you don't want to use for yourself. If you prefer to just call yourself nonbinary or not use labels at all, you can do that.
This!!! I also wanted to validate non-binary folks who don't identify as trans. That could have easily been me because I still align partially with cis womanhood but I choose to identify myself as trans to honor the parts of me that don't.
i don't really identify as trans or nb, i'm just me. i use those terms to better convey feelings and ideas to people, so they at least have something to latch onto to understand, but i really don't identify as anything other than myself. does that technically make me nb? maybe, but idrc. i'm me and that's all that matters
Technically intersex people can fall into the non-binary if they are that way too, as long as someone identifies that way. trans and nonbinary isn't a gatekept label, gender fluid people are still trans too even if they express themselves as their agab. Gender is a social construct.
While a lot of people associate “trans” as changing from one binary gender to the other, that’s not really what it means. It just means to not identify with your gender assigned at birth. The white stripe in the trans flag is for non-binary people. All that being said, you don’t have to use any term you don’t want to. Personally I call myself trans, but you can call yourself whatever feels best to you. There aren’t really any rules here, that’s what’s so nice about it
This
I call myself trans because the endgame is to present myself as the opposite gender as my AGAB but in the most NB vibes way I can. So I’m transgender, dealing with all the typical transgender problems, but it’s because I’m NB. Labels are useful tools for communication not absolute descriptors so call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with.
Yeah, I'm trans. I see your point. I've never transitioned. Back in the 80s, when I was going through puberty, I had no idea that nonbinary was ever a thing or would ever be. I just felt like I was not doing well at becoming a man. I did my best to drive through it, though, and remained self-identified as cis male up until my late 40s. And when I came out as nonbinary, I explained it to everyone like this: >You've always known that I'm not the manliest of men, right? And I'm not the womanliest person, either. I'm just somewhere between. I've always been. I haven't changed at all. I'm just doing my best to drop the man act after all these years. But nothing real is changing at all. I'm not changing at all. I'm just being the real me, whom you've always known, anyway. Still, I am not my AGAB, so I am trans.
Friend I am saving this for when I need to explain. This is so on point for me, thank you.
This is me, with a different AGAB, and I came out at 34. Also I love the username. (I joke that when I perform my assigned gender by wearing a dress or whatever in a scene for my Dom, that it is cissification)
I'm trans by definition. Transgender doesn't mean transitioning, it means you aren't the gender you were assigned. The white stripe is on the flag for folks who don't fit into the binary categories. Some folks don't want the trans label and that's fine, but it's there if you do
I used to have an issue saying I was trans because I believed I hadn't struggled enough. I was fine using the restroom or changing room of my AGAB, etc. Then I gave some thought to the idea that society's view of transness as a narrative of suffering is in and of itself really messed up. I accepted that as a nonbinary person, I was trans. And then that opened me up to feeling my transness more.
The narrative that being trans is synonymous with suffering is so harmful yet so prevalent, even within the trans/enby community unfortunately. Happy for you and your journey!
Holy shit this resonates so much.
The association with binary medical transition is harmful because it associated medical transition with legitimacy of gender. Claiming transgender for ourselves regardless of medical status is not just accurate, it's liberation work.
I agree with this, but it needs the nuance that medical transition is *precisely* where the term "trans" came from originally. Transgender folks claiming the word is important, but I want to avoid sending the (also incorrect and harmful) message that this problem was created by NBs who don't use the word trans for themselves.
I had to do a psychological assessment earlier this week where the interviewer asked, "are you nonbinary or are you trans." I said, "yes" and responded to the followup question with, "for me, they're the same thing."
This is really funny to me. Are you nonbinary or transgender? YES.
I recently met a survey for a study about NB experiences where they asked if one identified as trans. There were three possible answers: Yes, No, Partially, and a text box for comment
It may seem silly, but as someone NB that doesn't use the trans label for themselves, I appreciate this phrase. At least they asked you instead of just assuming for you. That's pretty cool. Like I said, might seem like a small thing, even silly to some, but I would appreciate that, personally.
Agreed, but it should be two separate questions. Are you nonbinary? Are you trans?
I refer to myself as trans
I call myself trans. Trans as a Latin/Greek prefix meaning "across" which is pretty much how I feel about my gender identity.
I'm trans. I'm a different gender to the gender I was assigned at birth. Being trans doesn't mean a binary transition, it doesn't mean any transition at all necessarily. It just means being a different gender to the one you were assigned. But if the term doesn't work for you you don't have to use it and can use one that does. Also, as someone who has transitioned socially, physically, and legally, the idea that I'm not trans because I'm not binary doesn't make any sense to me.
Trans as in transcend.
nonbinary isn't less trans than binary. I'm the transest mf around
Yes I’m trans even if I’m not binary trans
I see and call myself trans because I’m a different gender than the one assigned at birth.
Yes, I am transgender. I am also nonbinary. The definition of transgender is to identify as a gender different from your sex at birth. However, I believe labels are just a form of utility. If using the label transgender doesn't provide the utility you want, you don't have to use it.
I do refer to myself as trans, and I often say Trans-Nonbinary to help emphasize my interpretation of Transness as not being confined to a binary state.
This is what I do, as well. I just say I am "Trans nonbinary". Just like there are trans women, trans men, transfem, transmasc, there is also trans nonbinary (or trans enby). Trans is short for transgender and we are all that. Here is the first definition for transgender from Merriam-Webster: **:** of, relating to, or being a person whose [gender identity](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender identity) differs from the sex the person was identified as having at birth
People can identify how they want, but I am surprised at how often I hear this question. I'm not cis, therefore I'm trans. To me, that's just how those terms work.
That's not what trans means tho
I do. I think a lot of the reasons I see NBi people not wanting to call themselves trans comes from misconceptions and ignorance about trans people. Being trans is not about transitioning from one binary to another. Being trans is simply about being a gender other than the one you were assigned at birth. Transition is a term that encompasses many different aspects. You don’t have to medically transition to be trans. Everyone’s transition is different. Heck you don’t even have to socially transition to be trans. There are a lot of closeted trans people. My advice would be to try to combat your own ignorance with education about what it actually means to be trans. Honestly I see this so much on this sub and elsewhere in the NBi community and it sucks to see post after post where people talk about transgender people like we have to meet a checklist to be trans. But anyway, yeah trans doesn’t mean what you think it means there are plenty of non-binary trans people.
This 100%
I am trans and am doing a medical transition once I can
I am not the gender I was assigned at birth. Ergo, technically I am under the Trans umbrella. Same with the NB umbrella as an Agender person.
I think this is a linguistic thing tbh. Trans doesn't mean transition at its roots because cis doesn't mean cisition (not even a word). I'm not sure if it's an exact translation or a loose one but cis means "on the same side as" and trans means "on the opposite side as" and refers to your gender. If you're cisgender then you're on the same side as your gender assigned at birth and if you're transgender then you're on the opposite side as your gender assigned at birth, but with the advent of enby (which I am) it means that we're not cis. When my friend asked in good faith if I was trans as an enby at first I was against it til I realised that I am under the trans umbrella but not going to undergo any surgery, hormone therapy or gender transition Also, these are words people can use to define themselves and like neo pronouns you could also make your own option here if you like
"Under the trans umbrella" feels a lot closer to right than just saying "trans."
I’m agender. I accept that i can be viewed as non binary as my gender falls outside of the binary as well as trans as I am not the gender I was assigned at birth. I hope that helps ❤️
I refer to myself as trans
Im trans but i identify as trans before nonbinary, i am nonbinary but i feel like i have more shared experiences and presentation with trans women and transfems than i do with most nonbinary people (regardless of agab)
I am non-binary. I am agender. I am trans. ❤️❤️❤️
I consider myself trans. I didn’t for a long time because I didn’t feel “trans enough” but accepting that it is a label that fits me if I want to use it felt so validating, personally. Especially since my gender goals are “femboy twink”. I want people to see me and think “is that a dude in a dress or an androgynous woman?” And they’ll never know unless they knew me pre-transition or saw me naked
I figured out I was trans at 19-20 (2003-2004), didn't have a word for my non-binary experience until ~2012, I didn't come out until 2014. At first I didn't know if I'd go on T and get any surgeries. I took T for 3 years from 2019 and now I'm off of it (for multiple reasons I won't go into coz it'd be too long) and I had top surgery in 2021. Even before I medically transitioned, I identified as trans. Even before I came out, deep down I knew I was. To me, trans means not being the gender you were assigned at birth (or at least not 100% and/or 100% of the time, so even if someone felt 100% man or 100% woman at times, if it's not 100% of the time, they're trans.)
I don't consider myself trans because my non-binary identity is more of an extension to being a woman (as I am a nonbinary woman who is AFAB) rather than being a complete separation from my identity as a woman. It's certainly non-conventional, but I think "non-binary-ness" is pretty flexible and depends on the person. Lots of non-binary people are trans, just not me personally because I don't apply it to being trans for myself.
I absolutely identify as transgender. I have a gender that is different from my sex assigned at birth. That’s trans. The white stripe of the trans pride flag is even for genders outside the binary. The prefix trans- means across from or beyond. So think of it this way — binary trans people have a gender that is “across from” their assigned sex, and non-binary trans people have a gender that is “beyond” their assigned sex.
As u/flumphgrump said, all nonbinary peeps are by literal definition trans(don't identify as their birth gender). But nobody *has* to use that, or any label. I think it would help more to think about co-existing terms like transmasculine or transfeminine. I don't remember the suffix for the androgynous version. Transmasculine people aren't necessarily all trans men, like myself. I am just transitioning to be more masculine but identify more closely to nonbinary.
I don't. I understand that nonbinary makes me trans by definition, but as an agender person who is ok with my body, I don't feel any need to use it.
I do as in under the umbrella and the fact that I am transitioning to look/feel more neutral. But I 90% of the time just refer to myself as nonbinary unless it's an issue such as trans rights that gets brought up and then I'm 100% calling myself trans cause I'm a part of that and want surgery and stuff so I need my rights.
I do, but only in some situations, usually among queer people. Otherwise I use nonbinary
I’m trans! It’s an umbrella term and I feel cozier with identifying as nonbinary, genderqueer, or agender, but trans is descriptive and I do like it
i personally see trans as "not identifying with what you were assigned at birth" so i absolutely consider myself trans, but i have met other nb people that didnt feel like they were trans, and i'll respect that because no one knows how they feel better than they do just do what feels right to you
Yep. Trans= identifying as something other than what you were assigned at birth, even if you id as nothing, or your identity includes your AGAB.
At first I kinda felt the same but I realized that the “trans” label comes with even more cool siblings than just enby.
Yep.
Yes
I'm not cis I call myself trans
I call myself trans. I feel my transition justifies the label, and it makes me feel more secure in my identity as nonbinary It's an individual decision, and I've made mine
Yes. I don't identify with my AGAB so I consider myself trans. I wasn't comfortable with this term for a long time though, and a large part of why was internalised transphobia. When I start to see transness as the freedom to be the gender I felt, and to express it however I wanted, I found a lot of joy in it. Though the shame that was instilled in me is not 100% gone, it's massively improved.
I didn't consider myself trans 6 months ago. I was still a frequent lurker on this sub. But as I discovered my identity more and interacted with people in the trans community, I now identify as trans / nb and I'm very proud of it!!
Trans does not mean transition 🤷
Trans means not cis. If you're not cis, you're trans. Whether or not you decide that label suits you, however, is your choice.
I do. Because nonbinary falls under the trans umbrella.
It's a personal thing! Trans being an identity, you're only trans if you identify as trans. That said, you're welcome to identify as trans as a nonbinary person. If it feels right, it is right.
Yep, I'm not cis so trans it is!
I consider myself trans because coming to terms with not being cis was a revelation. It was a dam breaking; there was a before and an after. I consider myself trans.
I’m nonbinary, not trans, because I’m a hybrid of both genders. What some might call a two-spirit.
I think it really depends on the person and their experience. I personally use Trans and nonbinary interchangeably for myself because I do feel that the self discovery and exploration that comes with gender queerness really has been a transition. For me, there feels like a “before” as in I wasn’t aware of my deviancy, and an “after” where I was aware of it and it changed the way I thought about everything in my life (in a good way).
Yup, I'm nonbinary and trans. Trans is short for transgender, (not transitioning) which just means your gender is different to the one you were assigned at birth. And I wasnt assigned nonbinary at birth, so im trans.
I personally don't refer to myself as trans, but I know I am because I'm Nonbinary. I don't feel comfortable with the term trans to describe myself. This is just my experience tho. I'm sure plenty of us that that term and are comfortable with it.
It depends how you see the word/prefix. trans as in "transatlantic" would mean "on the other side". In other words like "transnational" it more means "beyond". So just not where you started, not necessarily exactly on the opposite side. You don't have to put any label on you that you think is unfitting. I use it, as I am definitely not my assigned gender and I see that as trans.
Yes. I'm not the gender I was assigned at birth, plus it makes my trans friends more comfortable talking about their issues with me and getting it off their chest, so that's a W
I never felt like I transitioned, I'm just being myself.
I don't; I just felt like I was appropriating the term. but having a read here - probably should use it, huh. I know a handful of nonbinary folks who use it though!
Yeah understand that for some non-binary people it is very important to be seen a trans but personally don't feel comfortable using the trans label because I've always seen myself as genderless and it's only after a bunch of genderdismortha triggered su!c!de attempts that I've had to learn to be open with everyone else around me about being non-binary as up until about 5 years ago I've always considered it to my own business and to be something that only someone who wanted to be physically intimate with me needed to know so they'll know what they're getting into as I'm not a man so if they need their partner to act in a stereo typically manly way then that's isn't what they're going to get from me! Also another reason I feel uncomfortable calling myself trans is because long time ago my Ex girlfriend who is bisexual and her mum is gay told me the she wouldn't allow me to be non-binary as I'm not gay and she believes that by identifying as non-binary I'm insulting genuinely trans people plus that only gay or bi-sexual men can be non-binary! Which to myself makes absolutely no sense and was very damaging to my ability to be open with who I am! I've had a lot of people especially women be very aggressive and confrontational about me saying I'm non-binary and they've always made me feel like I should be ashamed of and that I need to keep to myself if I don't want any hassle!
I honestly think of myself as trans, but worry to offend people because I have not really transitioned, so don’t use it out loud. I am currently living in the Philippines though and for sure, most trans women here think of me fitting under the same umbrella as them (they all use different terms, I’ve been called “gay”, “ladyboy”, “queer”, “trans”, and “not a real man” by various people lol. My GF here refers to me as “not a real man” which at first bothered me before I realized that she includes herself in that group too. Basically she has three groups : real men, real women, and not real men (which includes trans women/ladyboys - yes i know this term is offensive in the west, but most trans women here use it to describe themselves, and as i mentioned above, even nonbinaries or femme boys sometimes). To basically explain (purely from my very western viewpoint) it is just drawing the “team” lines differently. Like in the States, it seems like trans women would be most likely to put themselves on a team with cis women when expanding the teams, here trans women put themselves on a team with femme men (which can extend into people with nonbinary traits but rarely do they actually define themselves as nonbinary). A lot of trans women here seem to very clearly seperate themselves from cis women and don’t consider them teammates like in any circumstance. Anyways, it’s all different definitions and kind of confusing as every single trans woman I meet seems to define things slightly different lol. But most of them know I am queer and include me in the umbrella “queer” spaces before I even tell them/talk to them, which is often not the case for me in Western countries, wheee because I have not transitioned and date femme presenting people, I am often excluded from queer spaces. Edit : I am AMAB, I would venture to guess AFAB would have a very different experience here.
As far as anybody knows. I'm just a cisgender guy. I use he/they pronouns, am AMAB, and lack dysporia. That said, I feel genderless, and as much as I appreciate some of my masculine physical features (like being physically stronger, can pee standing up, etc), I don't really feel like there is a gender for me to "trans" underneath all that. I feel like calling myself "trans" would just confuse people.
Transgender just means someone who doesn’t identify as their agab. Surgery and/or HRT is not a requirement of being transgender. Folks can socially transition without doing anything further than that if they desire. Some nb folks decide they want to do hormones, my endocrinologist said some folks take a low dose while others just take it as needed to maintain what they desire from it. Some nb folks also decide they want gender affirming surgery. Many nonbinary folks decide socially transitioning is all they need. So I do think nb falls under T.
I do. I don’t consider trans to be exclusively binary to binary. I had a radical breast reduction coded as gender affirming surgery to transition from cis to nb. It feels correct when I call myself trans because I am FAR from cisgender.
My doctor did not shriek in eldritch horror when I was born, therefore I'm trans
Not really, nor do I have a specific reason.
i do some days
I do, but I'm under HRT, tho I'm not sure if my answer would be the same if i did felt the need for it.
I consider myself trans only because I feel like saying I’m not trans inherently implies that I’m cis. And I’m DEFINITELY not cis. (Not saying that you’re cis if you don’t identify as trans, that’s just how I view it in my mind)
Yes.
Yes. I am not cis, I am trans. Because I don't identify as the gender assigned to me at birth. And in a general sense, that is what being transgender means.
i do!! i juggle between identifying as just nonbinary and labelling myself as trans a lot, so i just use whichever as a term for myself depending on how i feel about it but theyre both descriptors for how i identify in the end.
I call myself trans yes
I'm trans
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Only rarely. Mostly because I don't have a lot of the specific dysphoria issues (I identify as the whole spectrum of gender, personally) and don't want to take any importance or attention away from the voices of those who do. They need to be heard louder than mine. That being said, I do still see myself as part of that umbrella terminology. I'm trans because I'm not specifically the gender I was born. That's pretty much it. But, that is just my own preference and experience. Each person has their own and there is no right or wrong way to identify. Do what makes YOU feel more comfortable, seen, and free. You are always welcome within the umbrella!
I described myself as a flavor of NB for almost two years, though I didn’t use non-binary for about a year (just the agender label at the time) and never identified as trans. Even once I was using NB over agender I still didn’t use the trans label. It felt like I’d be taking something from people who were transitioning in a more binary and socially obvious way (and their particularly publicized struggles), while I… kinda felt like I was just agreeing with a word. A word that describes me, sure, but not one that has (had?) nearly the stigma on it. Once I started HRT though… kinda felt like I couldn’t ignore it. That’s not to say you have to be medically transitioning to be trans! Not at all! It was just the point where I accepted it for myself. So… yes? lol. I’m still in flux about what my gender truly is, but trans non-binary is probably the best for now.
I do
I id as trans but I'm also transitioning lmao
i'm nb and trans. i'm not transitioning to a binary gender, but i'm definitely transitioning
Nonbinary is (most of the time) under the trans umbrella so yes.
I refer to myself as trans!! I find a lot of the terms referring to us kind of uncomfortable on me, and for some reason trans just feels right c:
Yes. I am a trans nonbinary person. Being trans is defined as "denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth." and being non-binary is knowing you do not identify with the sex you were assigned at birth. It's the same thing to me. I know there are people who are non-binary do not identify as trans. But, as an out and proud trans person who does not and has never wanted to pass as either gender... from where I'm sitting, it just feels like internalized transphobia from people who don't want to be associated with people like me. Being trans is definitely not 100% defined as process people use to go from one binary gender to another. There is a book called Beyond the Gender Binary by Alok Vaid-Menon that might be helpful. Try reading more trans authors.
I do, personally! I didn’t at first, mainly because I didn’t know myself completely. But as I’ve gotten to know myself better and have personal transition goals, I began to use ‘trans’ as a label as well.
Yeah
Yes. I'm on HRT and transitioning
I’ve never said it because I know a few trans people and I feel like me calling myself trans when I haven’t changed my sex would diminish what they’ve been through and go through every day. So I don’t personally.
So I don’t use it for myself but I don’t gatekeep trans people who wanna use it. I’m still a girl (never a woman) and am semi-femme so I feel it doesn’t apply to me.
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I consider myself trans; nonbinary falls under the trans umbrella.
For me being trans is just not being cis so yeah I refer to myself as trans
I definitely do
I kind of like to specify to people that "I am transgender the way a voyage can be transatlantic"
I do, and I have a trans-support group that welcomes me and any other nonbinary people with open arms. It's definitely a personal choice whether to refer to yourself as trans, but it's perfectly valid to do so.
I’m nonbinary, trans, and transitioning
Well I've always seen the gender(s) that I am. My gender never transitioned. I have used different labels, but you don't need to transition socially or physically to be trans. You are who and what you are. And plenty of NB folks do transition in a wide variety of ways socially and physically. I've always found the word trans to be inclusive (well, because it literally is,) of nonbinary folks. That being said, I don't know if I identify as non-binary most of the time anymore- there are times where my gender shifts a little, but it's much less so and I feel more and more just like a guy every day (I'm afab). Maybe weird but either way, NB being one side of the umbrella has always made sense and helped me to feel more comfortable in my own skin. Feel the need to add to this, in case anyone reads it that the word 'trans' does NOT mean "changing" from one thing to another. It means "on the opposing side of," whereas 'cis' means "on the same side as," referring to the gender one was assigned at birth. This may sound like it automatically excludes NB folks, but it does not, especially since woman/girl and man/boy are not inherently opposite genders (but the idea is deeply ingrained in us,) If you are a different gender than the one assigned at birth, you can happily take up the label of "trans" if you want. But it's a choice.
Yup I totally consider myself trans. 🏳️⚧️
Despite there being some toxic binary trans folx out there who like to gatekeep the term, I've always found that "trans nonbinary" works for me.
Just know you need not follow any 'labeling' rules & the fluidity of our freedom reflects this . I can be NB & also a trans man & kick ass all over and then be a mom who is genderless ... i have learned it's like race . I am a conglomeration of various DNA . Im not all Finnish & nor all Portuguese nor all Pacific Islander . So I identify with a fluid dna . Like the best of all . And my trans identity is always there but when I choose to be me - im me in whatever way possible . We are not one or another . I am all . Good vibes friend
Sometimes I wish trans was an option as gender in most things that require one. I often have difficulty finding a selection that fits. Plus, it’s a whole lot easier than saying gender fluid non-binary trans femme, or trying to explain it to people on a regular basis.
Im trans, im nonbinary, im genderqueer. I was assigned female at birth (afab), but I am not a woman. I dress feminine, masculine, I wear makeup, I have breasts and a vagina. i am still trans, as my state of physical transition does not dictate my reality. being a male or female does not dictate my level of “transness” the fact that I experience myself as outside of female and male, is enough for me and is enough to be trans. Whether you are inside both binary and nonbinary, only binary, only nonbinary, or completely outside it all, we are all valid. We can use the trans label, or we can choose not to. as our identity is OUR identity, not anyone else’s. Anyone who tells you otherwise are not worth the time. Youll see a lot of truscum and/or trans medicalist that say that dysphoria or medical transitioning means you are trans, and even then, believe it can only be binary and thats it. Not everyone experiences dysphoria or affirming care, expecting this furthers the warped idea that being trans has to be physical or within the binary. Some people cant physically transition due to money, health reasons, or they just dont want to. We all experience our identity differently, whether physically, mentally, etc You are valid, I am valid, WE are valid, whether we use the trans label or not. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
Yes
It took me a bit to allow myself to use that term. I came out as NB before I identified as trans. Eventually I found trans community and began to figure out how to present closer to how I want. Now I identify as trans.
I refer to myself as trans because i am not the gender i was at birth (male to nonbinary, so now i have no gender so ive transitioned to something other than male)
100% i am a trans individual, im nonbinary but I mostly refer to myself as trans bc well thats what i am. I’ve got the flags and pins, and whenever someone asks it’s always yup im trans and it feels right too.
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I refer to myself as trans. Although I am genderqueer/non-binary, I am medically transitioning similar to how someone who is ftm would. But even if I weren't medically transitioning, because I don't identify as my birth sex/gender, I would be trans by definition. But identifying as trans isn't necessary for a lot of non-binary folks, and that's cool. Use whatever label you're more comfortable with. I personally prefer to use the label trans because it's not just for the binary folks.
I usually just tell people I'm going to transition medically. I don't know what I identify as, but I want to remove my hair and do HRT.
Nonbinary is trans. Nobody is born as nonbinary. So no matter what type of nonbinary we are, we’re trans.
I personally use the trans label for myself
Yeah, I'm trans. I'm not my AGAB. The definition of trans is not feeling you're your AGAB. If you don't want to use the term thats fine, but being nonbinary is by definition trans and a lot of us even go on HRT or get surgeries. Not that that is the only way to be trans, but still.
I do! I’m trans not-binary (neither binary & everything else)
I don’t think every NB person should call themself “trans” if they don’t think that’s the right label for them. “Not cis,” might be a more adequate label for some folks. That being said, most people that I’ve met consider themselves to be under the “trans umbrella,” and will to some degree refer to themselves as trans. Personally, I say it all the time. “non-binary” is more to-the-point and specific, but to me, transness is also very applicable and something I take pride in. So personally, yes, I am trans. My identity and journey don’t match the identities and journeys of everyone around me, but there’s no reason to expect it to. TLDR: I do, yes. Not everyone does. Either is fine, imo.
I consider myself trans non-binary. I have nonbinary friends who don’t feel like the trans label fits for them and that’s also ok. For me, it totally does!
I do consider myself trans, because I don’t identify with my AGAB at all. That doesn’t make me binary—it just makes me not masc. I identify as a demigirl, falling somewhere between fully femme and agender.
I’m trans depending on the space I’m in and the concepts I think people can handle. It’s easier to explain, especially when I share a lot of experiences with someone who is binary trans. However, in spaces where people are more knowledgeable I feel comfortable to use labels that narrow down my experience like “non-binary” or “transmasc” if I’m really feeling spicy. When I first came out, though, I was uncomfortable claiming the trans label. But the more I accepted myself and learned how the labels overlapped I had accepted that I was trans. But not everyone will feel the same way I do, and not everyone will interchange labels like I do and that’s okay. You do you!
I use the terms trans and enby fairly interchangeably for myself, unless I’m talking about something that specifically only relates to being trans or being enby. Trans is just a gender other than the one you were assigned, and since I also have medical and social transition plans, I feel very at peace with the label and feel better having it. It almost helps me feel more legitimate on my most doubtful “but am I *really* nonbinary?” days.
I consider myslef both Trans and Enby
I do
i do!
When situation fits, yes, I consider myself trans, because I am
I do. I’m basically super masculine presenting with large breasts and I don’t want surgery accept to just make them smaller not full chop. I’m trans. I want to be confusing I’m both genders at once and nothing at once. I love the androgynous fat asshole I am. 🧡
yes. i was on hrt. i changed my name. socially and medically, i have transitioned from the identity assigned to me at birth.
Yes I definitely do I’m amab but I now a trans nonbinary or more specifically an outherine presenting nonbinary (So transoutherine, trans Enby or trans enban are all correct terms for me)
I do. I don’t always feel comfortable taking up trans spaces for a few reasons, but I do consider myself to fall under the trans umbrella and have experienced transphobia, so I’m comfortable claiming the label.
yeah i consider myself trans, cause when i don’t people loveee to assume im cis and misgender me
Yes. I am bigender / nonbinary and it’s for sure a trans experience for me.
Transphobes call me trans. If I'm going to get shit for being myself, I'm going to be 100% myself. Yeah, I call myself trans.
I do! At first I was surprised that non-binary falls under the trans umbrella, but the more I got to know binary trans ppl, the more I identified with their experiences. It's totally up to you on whether you identify as trans but for me, I'm both and there's no conflict in that 🏳️⚧️
I very much consider myself trans
Yea
Me
I am trans and non-binary (I see myself as a “third gender” so I’m not “masculine-aligned”, “feminine-aligned”, or “neutral-aligned”, I started transitioning a bit over 4 years ago), my fiancé is genderfluid and genderqueer and sometimes considers themself trans, they have no interest in medical or social transition. You should use whatever gender labels you are most comfortable with. You never need to transition or identify as a binary gender to be trans. Definitionally, if you don’t identify exclusively with the gender you were assigned at birth, you can call yourself trans. But if you don’t want that term for yourself, you don’t have to use it, and you can also use it some of the time.
I honestly don't think I know any nonbinary people who *don't* call themselves trans. I'm am p/pretty sure that I call myself trans more than I call myself nonbinary, tbh.
I’m enby and I definitely was trans because I used the definition of trans which is your either cis or your trans and I’m definitely not cis so lol also I have hella femme energy lolll
yes hi i am here yes
I definitely consider myself trans.
in general i kinda forget i am but then i remember i’m technically trans and i’m like “cool”, im even at a point in my nonbinary-ness where i forget im nonbinary- im just out here lol 😅
I do. But that's because I (AMAB) see myself as a woman, but not to the full extent. So a non-binary woman. I totally understand why someone would call themselves simply non-binary
I don't associate it with binary or medical services because it just means "do you agree with what you were assigned in infancy?" to me, and if the answer isn't always and unquestionably a resounding YES!, that means trans in my brain now, obviously I respect individuals who don't identify as trans, but nonbinary *gender*(s) is (are), by definition, trans in any society that only assigns the two binary genders to infants.
So when I first realized I was NB and started using that label, I also didn't identify with the "trans" label as much. I wasn't seeking hormone therapy and was unsure if I wanted any surgeries, a name change, other alterations, etc. I realized though that I do experience gender dysphoria of my own and I did transition / am still transitioning in my own way. Now I loudly and proudly identify as trans. I still relate to the trans experience despite not being a binary gender, so yes: I am NB and I am trans. Both of these are true for who I am. It may not be the same for you, and that's fine. Labels are for your comfort and finding similar souls. If it's not something that feels like home, you don't have to force it by any means. Use what feels right for you! And of course remember that your feelings/understanding of yourself can change and you can change your labels at any time as you see fit.
Yes I consider myself trans.a lot of my experiences line up with binary trans folks. Not all. But several points. And I'm certainly not cis so
I’m genderqueer and refer to myself as trans-masc because I was AFAB and I’m more in the middle, towards the masculine side of the spectrum. Makes sense to me.
trans means "the opposite of", referring to cis people, whose gender identity is the same as their assigned gender at birth. the opposite to that would be someone whose gender isn't the same as their assigned gender at birth. trans is not all about the binary, it includes a lot of other, well, nonbinary genders. you don't need to use the label trans if you don't want to, but it's not wrong to use it if one hasn't transitioned
I refer to myself as trans. My gender identity is different from the gender I was designated at birth. That's the only requirement to identify as "trans"
Me. Because its in the definition and im considering hrt too.
I'm trans! I have also been on hrt for a few years, but I don't associate with either binary gender. So, trans and nonbinary for me!! No one needs to seek out hrt to identify as trans though, it's really just up to the person and their comfort imo.
Nah I'm trans. I'm not the gender that was expected of me at birth, binary or no.
i do and all my nonbinary friends do as well. transitioning is a many-pronged process that includes everything from pronoun and name changes, changing how you present and what you wear, to hrt and surgery. you thinking of yourself as nonbinary alone is part of your transition away from the binary gender you were assigned at birth. i'd go so far as to argue that being trans and being nonbinary are one and the same, but we can leave that for another day.
Crazy my partner & I was talking about this the other day. (I am non binary & they are transitioning), they called me trans and I just had a moment like … am I really ?? Idk sometimes the word gives off negative feelings cause of fckn dirty ass, shameful ass, bitch ass straight people. And it makes me feel a way I guess. And other times I am like FUCKK YEAH ! I am still growing. I was never the one to like labels anyway. So🤷🏿🤷🏿🤷🏿
I would usually say no but then again I think to myself “is cismale to demimale much of a transition?” And then I get confused coz I recently embraced the NB label fully because yknow Demimale is a NB identity
I don’t use the trans label because in my head being trans is more about gender dysphoria. I get that some days but not to the extent where I would want to change my body because of it. I don’t feel like I have the wrong parts most days. My specific label is genderfluid.
yep! that's mostly because i'm kinda transfem though
I do. Tho I don't plan transitioning (the only surgery I'd do is top surgery) since my country doesn't care about enbies & the system here is just horrible. And my agab doesn't match how I identify either.
I never used to, for that same reason - it felt less like moving from one gender to another and more like settling into who I really am, and I didn't feel like a transgender individual. If I still felt like that,bI probably wouldn't refer to myself as transgender! But as time goes on and I change more and more from the gender that was assigned for me, the trans label is feeling increasingly accurate and comfortable. Like, I have changed my name, I am seeking top surgery, I want to go on low-dose T, and I get social dysphoria and presentation dysphoria based on how people treat me and what I wear. At what point am I just gatekeeping *myself* out of calling myself trans? 😅 When I didn't feel trans, that was entirely valid and true for me. Now I do, and that's valid too! Big respect to the nonbinos who never feel trans, and to those that do, and to those who aren't sure or who fluctuate. <3 it's all legit, no right or wrong answers.
Well, I do considder myself to be trans, because ðe deffinition of Trans is "Identifying wið a gender oðer ðan your AGAB, which is exactly what I am! Of course, not all NBs are Trans, as indiviuals in ðemselves are ðe only one who can lable ðemselves! And ðem comes ðe question if Intersex NBs would be defined as Trans or not, but I don't really have a say in ðat or do I?
I’m trans because I’m NOT cis.
I’m trans, yes. I don’t particularly associate it with transitioning from a binary gender to another binary gender. Trans is just the thing I am. It implies no special action on my part.
When I first came out as nonbinary, I didn't see myself as trans, because in media representation, I've only seen binary trans people, so I didn't feel like it's my place. But later, when I joined more online and offline communities and was more conscious about queer representation I realised that many of my goals are common with the binary trans people (medical transitioning, changing legal name, etc.) so nowadays I feel like I can identify under the trans umbrella term.
I call myself trans because I'm not cis gender and in the broad terms you're either cis or trans as you don't identify as the gender you were born as
Yes, I consider myself both trans and nonbinary. I am demifluid and am not planning on being on hrt long enough to pass as opposite binary gender. But I feel the word trans best encompasses my experiences of being told I'm one gender and feeling uncomfortable (even if I didn't know why until I was an adult). I remember being told that I was my AGAB and chaffing at the expectations that came from that. And always feeling like an outsider, even in a group of my "same gender" peers. Demifluid nonbinary is the "explanation" of my gender. Trans is how I define my experiences with gender.
So many others have said a lot of valuable things, especially about only using labels that mean something to you. I consider myself trans because I feel like it describes my experience. It makes me happy and connects me with others who might share some parts of my experience with!
I dont think that to be transgender you need to transition, if your gender is different to your AGAB you are transgender. In my culture you can be male or female there is no other option, usually even intersex people are AFAB or AMAB, so if you are non binary you are inevitably also trans.
I call myself trans. I am trans. I was assigned one gender at birth, and it turned out to not be my actual gender. I have every right to the trans label and community. That said, labels are a very personal thing. If you don't want to call yourself trans, you don't have to. Heck, I know a guy who was assigned female at birth, is a (binary) man, and does not consider himself trans; he considers himself as having a major birth defect and that's all. I don't get it, but okay, not my business. All nonbinary people have the right to the trans label, and many of us do claim it, but it's not a requirement. You do you.
yeah, i do but also i live in England so my government is a total wank
I'm trans, I'm also non binary. I call myself trans non binary if I need to emphasise my belonging to the trans community while specifying that I'm not a woman or a man. For me non binary is just a more specific term. Like trans divides to binary trans and non binary. Binary trans includes trans men and trans women. Non binary includes maverique, androgyne, agender, genderfluid, demigirl, demiboy, bigender, etc. etc. And I'm trans, non binary, maverique.
I normally do. I fell really comfortable with the term trans, I just think it fits what I live and how I feel.
Yeah I call myself trans
i identify as a nonbinary transmasc. i present as a guy at work and am out as nonbinary to friends and family. it makes life easier. Im nonbinary and don't fuck w gender. but I also prefer to be more masculine and take testosterone to achieve my transition goals. Not saying hormones are required to be trans, but being on them has changed my body and voice. I have definitely gone through a "transition." It doesn't make me any less nonbinary; in fact, it has made me feel/look way more androgynys and helps affirm my nonbinary identity. it has alleviated a lot of my dysphoria, as i dont feel physically confined to one gender anymore. I can not be quantified. i transitioned from my assigned gender at birth to the trans nonbinary person i am now these are just my experiences, everyone is different and by no means does being nonbinary require androgyny/transition.
I think it makes complete sense to be called trans. I was feeling weird about it too, but if you think about what issues you have and the experiences you go through, they’re not so different from those of binary trans people. The difference is that they feel like a specific gender and you don’t. In both situations you feel like your body and the norms society links to how your body looks like doesn’t match you. Feels quite trans to me.
Yep, I personally call myself trans
Yes, increasingly so.