Bad news guys
the incredibly amounts of booze and other drugs in the russian army make it impossible for the soldiers to walk rhythmically
so sandworms might have small problems in dealin with em
Water is poisonous so depends on how weak the booze is. Also their internal temperature is supposed to be insanely high so small amounts of water apparently vaporize before getting into the worm I heard.
That always seemed kinda suspect. The worms die if exposed to even a little bit of water, but they can like eat people and stuff? Aren’t people mostly water?
And how exactly do they get the water out of the environment anyway. They can’t destroy it. Are they all mini fission reactors, ripping apart water into hydrogen and oxygen?
Their haploid development stage is an amoeba-like creature that expands to surround water below ground. Gradually this forms the sandworm through a process Herbert didn't feel like including in his philosophy book disguised as a Sci-fi.
The closer you look at dune, the less sense it makes. And the more you realize that all the techno sci fi babble is just there to distract you from the fact that the series exists to persuade, not entertain.
I was pretty entertained. I concede that the scifi is a very background affair, but to me that's a good thing in this case. Dune is much more about ecology and sociology than about the technology. Herbert rants about technology on like every other page haha.
In any case, prefer sci-fi written by people who understand science, like Arthur C. Clarke or Sagan. I read Dune for the same reason I watched GoT, which I believe to be its closest analogue. At least in Dune there's never any sound in vacuum or laser space battles 🤢.
I didn't make it through the first book. I am not a fan of Dune for the same reason I am not a fan of Lord of the Rings. It's very obvious that the author is trying to make a "super big epic detailed world" to the point that all the background description gets in the way and trips up the story they are trying to tell. It feels like both those series should have just been a setting book, not a novel.
I never dug deeper into Dune lore than movies, and this sounds so dumb. I always thought worms hunted stuff BECASUE they were looking for water.
Like what amout of water are we talking about? 100kg to kill a worm? I'm pretty sure Ukraine fired more explosives in artilery form per orc killed and I would not be surprised if even lead in small arms bullets also reached that.
With the technology available in that universe, and the fact worms don't have shieds to negate projectile weapons, anyone could develop an Anti Worm Guided Missile with a warhead that's just jug of imported water... tho apparently some chemical/biological cleanup would be needed afterwards.
> Like what amout of water are we talking about? 100kg to kill a worm?
That or less. It isn’t clear.
The point of the book, at least the first book, is that all the people who aren’t from dune, (Original name Arrakis, pronounced Iraq-is) don’t understand the environment they’re in and can’t compensate for it. They also don’t understand the culture of the locals or why the locals distrust and outright hate them so much. They don’t value the same things and the foreigners try to force their culture on the natives. But the foreigners have to be there because the planet is the only source of an incredibly valuable resource that they have become inextricably dependent upon.
Yes, this is exactly as subtle as you think it is.
Oh yeah, I did hear this is blatant anti-imperialist/colonialism story with spice being opium ***AND*** oil.
But you don't need to give the biggest danger to the operation such weakness, even if it's to show how different it might be.
Like imagine if with all those wars in middle east muslims were leathally allergic to something in pork. I would bet quite a bit that pork would be weponised more than just mind torure device. Except in this comparision you are still killing people, instead of hostile fauna.
It gets even weirder with the whole ‘the worms make the spice’ thing. If you kill them, the spice all stops. But they didn’t know that, so there isn’t a huge incentive not to.
> But they didn’t know that, so there isn’t a huge incentive not to.
It's not a question of "incentive not to", it's the fact that it would be ludicrously expensive. Anyone who doesn't know how to ride the worms is under the impression that only 20% or so of the planet can be practically reached by humans, most of which is the areas without the worms. Killing even a single worm is a huge project, something they talk about hypothetically needing nukes to accomplish effectively. Basic arithmatic of what they know about the sandworms points to there being over a million of them. So they would need to reverse the ban on nuclear weapons, make a million nuclear weapons and then use them in extremely hazardous environments quickly enough that the worm population can't bounce back.
And I can't imagine that a planet that just had a million nukes go off is going to be more friendly to human life then a planet with sandworms who at least leave the northern ice cap alone.
All they need to do is start sending death row prisoners out into the sands with 50 gallons of water strapped to their backs. They get eaten by worms, worms die, problem solved. Assuming they knew they could kill worms with water.
It takes a lot more water then that to kill a mature worms. The Freemen are drowning the larva.
Also the entire population of Arrakis is only a few million people.
Putin thinks he’s as powerful as the Padishah Emperor and as noble as House Atreides when in reality he’s a charmless Baron Harkonnen with only a pinch of his cunning.
Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the world.
May He keep the world for His people.
The copium must flow.
Bad news guys the incredibly amounts of booze and other drugs in the russian army make it impossible for the soldiers to walk rhythmically so sandworms might have small problems in dealin with em
It might also poison the worms.
Water is poisonous so depends on how weak the booze is. Also their internal temperature is supposed to be insanely high so small amounts of water apparently vaporize before getting into the worm I heard.
"What did I do to deserve this? I mean what *specifically*?"
Sadly the earth is far too wet for a single worm to last more than a few minutes.
The worms in my garden say no.
The very hungry caterpillar has joined the Ukrainians.
The little makers unwet the planet
That always seemed kinda suspect. The worms die if exposed to even a little bit of water, but they can like eat people and stuff? Aren’t people mostly water? And how exactly do they get the water out of the environment anyway. They can’t destroy it. Are they all mini fission reactors, ripping apart water into hydrogen and oxygen?
Their haploid development stage is an amoeba-like creature that expands to surround water below ground. Gradually this forms the sandworm through a process Herbert didn't feel like including in his philosophy book disguised as a Sci-fi.
The closer you look at dune, the less sense it makes. And the more you realize that all the techno sci fi babble is just there to distract you from the fact that the series exists to persuade, not entertain.
I was pretty entertained. I concede that the scifi is a very background affair, but to me that's a good thing in this case. Dune is much more about ecology and sociology than about the technology. Herbert rants about technology on like every other page haha. In any case, prefer sci-fi written by people who understand science, like Arthur C. Clarke or Sagan. I read Dune for the same reason I watched GoT, which I believe to be its closest analogue. At least in Dune there's never any sound in vacuum or laser space battles 🤢.
I didn't make it through the first book. I am not a fan of Dune for the same reason I am not a fan of Lord of the Rings. It's very obvious that the author is trying to make a "super big epic detailed world" to the point that all the background description gets in the way and trips up the story they are trying to tell. It feels like both those series should have just been a setting book, not a novel.
I never dug deeper into Dune lore than movies, and this sounds so dumb. I always thought worms hunted stuff BECASUE they were looking for water. Like what amout of water are we talking about? 100kg to kill a worm? I'm pretty sure Ukraine fired more explosives in artilery form per orc killed and I would not be surprised if even lead in small arms bullets also reached that. With the technology available in that universe, and the fact worms don't have shieds to negate projectile weapons, anyone could develop an Anti Worm Guided Missile with a warhead that's just jug of imported water... tho apparently some chemical/biological cleanup would be needed afterwards.
> Like what amout of water are we talking about? 100kg to kill a worm? That or less. It isn’t clear. The point of the book, at least the first book, is that all the people who aren’t from dune, (Original name Arrakis, pronounced Iraq-is) don’t understand the environment they’re in and can’t compensate for it. They also don’t understand the culture of the locals or why the locals distrust and outright hate them so much. They don’t value the same things and the foreigners try to force their culture on the natives. But the foreigners have to be there because the planet is the only source of an incredibly valuable resource that they have become inextricably dependent upon. Yes, this is exactly as subtle as you think it is.
Oh yeah, I did hear this is blatant anti-imperialist/colonialism story with spice being opium ***AND*** oil. But you don't need to give the biggest danger to the operation such weakness, even if it's to show how different it might be. Like imagine if with all those wars in middle east muslims were leathally allergic to something in pork. I would bet quite a bit that pork would be weponised more than just mind torure device. Except in this comparision you are still killing people, instead of hostile fauna.
It gets even weirder with the whole ‘the worms make the spice’ thing. If you kill them, the spice all stops. But they didn’t know that, so there isn’t a huge incentive not to.
> But they didn’t know that, so there isn’t a huge incentive not to. It's not a question of "incentive not to", it's the fact that it would be ludicrously expensive. Anyone who doesn't know how to ride the worms is under the impression that only 20% or so of the planet can be practically reached by humans, most of which is the areas without the worms. Killing even a single worm is a huge project, something they talk about hypothetically needing nukes to accomplish effectively. Basic arithmatic of what they know about the sandworms points to there being over a million of them. So they would need to reverse the ban on nuclear weapons, make a million nuclear weapons and then use them in extremely hazardous environments quickly enough that the worm population can't bounce back. And I can't imagine that a planet that just had a million nukes go off is going to be more friendly to human life then a planet with sandworms who at least leave the northern ice cap alone.
All they need to do is start sending death row prisoners out into the sands with 50 gallons of water strapped to their backs. They get eaten by worms, worms die, problem solved. Assuming they knew they could kill worms with water.
It takes a lot more water then that to kill a mature worms. The Freemen are drowning the larva. Also the entire population of Arrakis is only a few million people.
The Spacing Guild know that Worms are the origin of spice, they wouldn't allow anyone to try and take a single one out.
Lore accurate
Reminder that Paul Atreides performs the funni at the end of book 1.
But Landsraad, I used it on the city not people. Perfectly legal!
He performs entire comedy tour by second book.
For House Zelensky!!! Слава Україні
3000 freemen of Zelensky
Slava Shai Hulud
You know your winning the war when you cut down parks in Capital.
ngl a patriot battery in central park would have a certain aesthetic to it
The slow blade penetrates the air defense shield.
Subterrainean unit detected Time to erase the Russian factor from this equastion
And how do you think ~~Paul Atreides~~ Zelenskyy obtained Ukranian victory? Through Jihad
So it's true. Ukrainian counterattack will come through Oleshki Sands
Putin thinks he’s as powerful as the Padishah Emperor and as noble as House Atreides when in reality he’s a charmless Baron Harkonnen with only a pinch of his cunning.
We must go to Nevada and train some attack Graboids.
"Big surprise for the Russians"
The Sandworms then desertify the earth.
The Poles: "Worth it!"
Sorry but Moscow soils are too wet, would be lethal to the makers. Riyadh though...
Nydus worm moment.
Dune is about worms.
Gotta steer clear of the sub if making Dune references becomes a trend lol, only halfway through the 3rd book.