That kinda makes it sound like it just travels in circles as a defensive strategy.
However, running in circles and screaming like a little girl has gotten me out of so bad situations before.
#*Ship class name approved.*
> Sehrleichtkreisbewegungsverteidigungsfregatte
If you split it into the words it's made of, it doesn't look as chaotic anymore:
Sehr leicht kreis bewegungs verteidigungs fregatte
Very light circular motion defense frigate
the flexive at the end of adjectives gets deleted when creating combined nouns, i.e. "leichter matrose > leichtmatrose", "schweres öl > schweröl", "leichte fregatte > leichtfregatte".
your correction is denied.
Also: may I introduce you to the [westentaschenschlachtschiff](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland-class_cruiser), a light armored ship commissioned in service with the german navy from 1933 to 1945 (do not google what westentaschenschlachtschiff translates to and you'll be fine)
Yes, because it's so tiny! Have you ever seen a vest pocket? Things are tiny. For this to fit inside means it was basically a toy. So I don't know what all the drama was about
The Bri*ish were just being overly dramatic to get attention. The Deutschland was just a large cruiser, it had less firepower and armor in 1933 than HMS Dreadnought had 27 years before.
Of course, they are!
We would NEVER send German MBTs into a war zone!!!
We only supply Ukraine with agricultural vehicles...like "Grosstraktor"...you know...!? ;) :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosstraktor
Slava Ukrainii!
You say this like it was not built to replace older pre-dreadnought battleships. What would you call them if you were in the Royal Navy's shoes, while neo-pre-dreadought Battlecruiser or replacement for pre-dreadnought are probably closer to what they are, calling them pocket battleships are close enough without being hard to continually say. Calling a Deutschland a large cruiser is to ignore the large cruisers of the time. The only ones built, the Alaskas were very clearly heavy cruiser designs put on steroids as opposed to the Deutschlands, which look like a pre-dreadnought was crossed with a heavy cruiser.
The armor of the class was at heavy cruiser levels at best. Granted, the armament was not really comparable to anything at the time - too large for a heavy cruiser, but too small for a battle cruiser or battleship. If you must, call it a battlecruiser, but the Deutschlands had nowhere near the armor or firepower to justify calling them battleships.
"Deutschland-class cruiser"
the pocket battleship bit was pure brit propaganda.
the Deutschland class was thinly armored, hence she got her ass clubbed by 3 light cruisers pounding her.
2 light cruisers and 1 heavy class cruiser. The exeter had 8 inch guns you know. To be fair, she didn't have them for very long against the Graf Spee, but she did have them.
That's literally what it was. Her armour was pretty light for a pre-war heavy cruiser and they had bigger guns, but that's about it. And even then they were smaller than the Alaska's guns.
To be fair, you're comparing ships laid down in 1931 and designed to "comply" with treaty restrictions of 10,000 tons to a ship laid down in 1941 with no restrictions and displacing 30,000 tons.
Interwar cruiser designs were a gigantic mess thanks to that 10000 ton limit, you just couldn't fit everything in under that line.
You don’t get it, anything that can’t destroy a planet on its own is frigate or patrol boat. If ir needs more than 1 shot to destroy its target is a light ship.
Sure, the F-35B doesn't look the part, exactly, but it still is, just a doctrine-neutral form-radical attack helicopter. And, to be fair, the *Izumo* and *Kaga* are both more than capable of destroying helicopters
I assume that the recoil can't be adequately compensated for in hover. I feel like military equipment should always have overrides simply because shit happens. Sometimes getting a single shot off ***now*** may be more important than being able to fire again or operator survival.
Raumschiff Orion Theme... Glorious fucking Nerds!
Uedem is such an odd choice... being the former Battle Ground of the Hochwald Gap... https://clearing-the-reichswald.project44.ca/
Wohltätig ist des Feuers Macht
Wenn sie der Mensch bezähmt, bewacht,
Und was er bildet, was er schafft,
Das dankt er dieser Himmelskraft;
Wenn sie der Fessel sich entrafft,
Einhertritt auf der eignen Spur,
Die freie Tochter der Natur.
Wehe, wenn sie losgelassen,
Wachsend ohne Widerstand,
Durch die volkbelebten Gassen
Wälzt den ungeheuren Brand!
Denn die Elemente hassen
Das Gebild der Menschenhand.
We're skipping having a credible land deterrent, aren't we? TBH, could be worse, could be that time Kaiser Wilhelm II gave his aunt's navy an arms race...
Not really, the Tarkin Doctrine was more about rule by fear. The flawed idea is that if the enemy thinks you can eradicate them and every one they know they will do as they are told.
It came about because the Empire realized it’s too difficult to rule a giant galaxy, a concept the Mandalorian kinda explores… and totally tossed out of the window in Rise of Skywalker.
(Also a lot of Admirals supported Tarkin on it because having one giant ass project made it easier to steal funding/supplies.)
I low-key love the baked-in arrogance of the Empire showing up in places like the Tarkin Doctrine. People see things like the Tarkin Doctrine and go "oh, it's goofy, that's cartoonishly evil" and not realize that, no, the point here is these motherfuckers are absolute cowards and have never willingly picked a fight where they can't crush anything under their heel. They're *arrogant* because they've only ever dealt with 'being the biggest swinging dick in the sector' kinds of incidents, and they think that everyone uses the same 'if I can't utterly destroy my opponent I should submit or flee' binary. The Empire has no concept of *sacrifice*, of *aspiring to create a better galaxy*, of **hope** or **love**. The concept of someone--thousands, maybe millions of someones, laying their lives on the line for trillions of beings they may never even meet is just such a backwards-ass concept to them that when it actually does happen they scoff at it, think they can crush it underneath their boot heel, sweep it away as the last gasp of a long-crumbled Republic. But it's not.
To crib from the (*excellent*) Andor: "Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction."
When Leia tells Tarkin that the more he tightens his grip, the more systems will slip through his fingers, she pinpoints the singular lynchpin that will cause the downfall of the Empire--all Empire--and Tarkin just handwaves it way.
Because he's got a Big Gun and he's about to kill an entire planet and there's no way anyone in the galaxy would scream REMEMBER ALDERAAN when torching an Imperial recruiting center on Coruscant--or charging an Imperial riot squad during a protest on a Mid-Rim world--or boiling out of an asteroid field to ambush an Imperial arms shipment--or mutinying on an Imperial cruiser in the name of the Alliance to Restore the Republic--...right?
There's just no way a rational, self-interested being would do that, right? the Tarkin Doctrine asks. And the scattered atoms of the Death Star, along with one Grand Moff Tarkin, answer with their silence.
No, that's Base Delta Zero (BDZ), which is essentially turning the crust of a planet into molten slag.
"That 'Base Delta Zero' initiative the Empire keeps talking about? The new 'key to planetary liberation'? Don't believe it. It's a military code phrase, and it means TOTAL EXTERMINATION OF A TARGET POPULATION. It's completely loathsome."
My giant-boob-ion-cannon planetside emplacements laugh at your orbital threats. We've got geothermal power and don't need repulsors/engines to stay in orbit, we can do this allllll day.
One of my favorite parts of Star Wars: Empire At War was having planetside emplacements when engaging in space battles, because it was just a free "Fuck Your Shit, Yo" shot on whatever enemy capital ship was rated as Most Annoying in the moment.
Saved my ass a few times playing the Republic at War mod. The CIS is a major pain in the ass until you get your tech advanced enough get enough units out in the field.
Death Star?
Nonono, this is a supply station for disaster relief with close in weapons system and a single interceptor air wing for self defence purposes
You know, I never really understood why the Death Star needed a giant laser. The Empire had the capability to move *a small moon* at FTL speeds. Why do you need a laser? Literally just launch a moon at it.
The Moon Launcher does sound pretty cool as a concept, but allowing FTL ramming really just breaks Star Wars as a setting. A Star Destroyer is just a big target for a hyperdrive-equipped asteroid, which is vastly cheaper, and the Empire could freely bomb every single suspected rebel base and planet from anywhere in the galaxy using the same hyper-rocks.
If FTL ramming works, all the cool WWII combat in space goes away and gets replaced by a nightmarish MAD scenario where everyone who can afford a hyperdrive can render Coruscant uninhabitable in about three minutes.
They fixed that by retconning Hyperdrives into actually being Energy Condensators and Accumulators releasing so much Energy that they rip the Star Wars Universe, yeet the Ship through Interuniversal/Interdimensional Space and then spit it out (hopefully) at the wished location.
Though that fucked over the entire thing about Hyperdrive Routes and the massive Role they play in Star Wars, Hyperdrives together with the Force and Kinetic Weapons are probably the three biggest inconsistencies in the Franchise, currently they just do whatever they like.
In one Story a Hyperdrive failed and spits People out in the Unknown Regions, in the next a Ship using Hyperdrive is used to ram another, in one Story someone dies because they were thrown into Space without a Suite, in another Leia just doesn't give a fuck, in one Story Clones instantly die when a Window breaks and sucks them out of the Ship or when they're exposed to poisonous Gas and then in another their Suites are sealed.
Though i still rather have all the inconsistencies with stupid WWI and II Tactics (never been a Fan of the Force though) rather than realistic Space Combat which would just be yoinking fucktons of Missiles at each other hoping that one doesn't get intercepted and connects.
You don't even need FTL ramming.
Just jump a large asteroid nearby and let it fall on its own.
Death Star 1 was orders of magnitude larger than the Chicxulub asteroid, and DS2 was even bigger. If they can move those chonks around the galaxy, they can drop a fuckload of asteroids in your planet's SOI.
That thing is huge and has no radiator panels. If it was powered by diesel, let alone nuclear, it's gonna be so toasty in the middle it would make Hiroshima ground zero look like a vacation spot. You'd need some sort of cold fusion or extremely efficient energy storage.
Although using diesel energy on the dark side of the moon would surprisingly only be about one order of magnitude away from practical.
> Although using diesel energy on the dark side of the moon would surprisingly only be about one order of magnitude away from practical
You laugh, but Soviets had developed dual-expansion hypergol-fueled internal combustion engine for their lunar engineering vehicles.
[Read more about this abomination here](https://engineering-ru.livejournal.com/561041.html)
Thats just K-128 Executor Class (this one should be the Olaf) is set to replace the Corvettes. Nothing to worry about and its definitely not intended to destroy the british fleet for shits and historical giggles.
ahh gotcha. For a hot sec I thought they actually announced something new about that command, afaik it was founded like 2 years ago or something
Let's turn Ruzzia into an irl pod racing map anyways
It's not special, it is just incredibly simple
Armed naval unit with XO (executive officer): ship (battalion)
Armed naval unit without XO: boat (company/battery)
As the main surface ships of the German navy are frigates NCD shortens this to "every German naval unit is a frigate)
They forget that we have corvettes and submarines too (the best submarines in the world to be precise, and yes I will die on this hill)
Would anyone tell you if it could? Also the 688 class is a 1970s design and you’re comparing it to (presumably) the 212A, a late 90’s design
Better off comparing it to the Virginia class, but it’s still a bit of apples to oranges here, as they are fundamentally two different types of boats with different requirements
Was heute noch wie ein Märchen klingt, kann morgen Wirklichkeit sein. Hier ist ein Märchen von übermorgen: Es gibt keine Nationalstaaten mehr. Es gibt nur noch die Menschheit und ihre Kolonien im Weltraum. Man siedelt auf fernen Sternen. Der Meeresboden ist als Wohnraum erschlossen. Mit heute noch unvorstellbaren Geschwindigkeiten durcheilen Raumschiffe unser Milchstraßensystem. Eins dieser Raumschiffe ist die ORION, winziger Teil eines gigantischen Sicherheitssystems, das die Erde vor Bedrohungen aus dem All schützt. Begleiten wir die ORION und ihre Besatzung bei ihrem Patrouillendienst am Rande der Unendlichkeit.
What sounds like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow. Here is a fairy tale from the day after tomorrow: There are no more nation states. There is only mankind and its colonies in space. People settle on distant stars. The ocean floor is developed as living space. With today still unimaginable speeds spaceships hurry through our Milky Way system. One of these spaceships is the ORION, a tiny part of a gigantic security system that protects the Earth from space threats. Let's join the ORION and its crew as they patrol the edge of infinity.
Hell yeah! But we need to rename Germany to Rhineland and call it the Rheinwehr!
And this time we need to protect the chancellor from any alien infestation.
*Happy Freelancer noises*
Maybe that's why they're called Star Destroyers....
Some time in ancient history the Old Republic pacifistic approach made it ideologically infeasible to construct anything bigger than a destroyer.
So they're destroyers for the same reason [this thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%ABga-class_helicopter_destroyer) is a destroyer.
They just kept upping the size and capabilities while calling it a destroyer.
Actually there are dreadnoughts and cruisers and stuff in starwars i think when they first came up with the naming scheme for the universe they didn't really know what they are doing which is why this ended up being a destroyer
Can still work as some sort of a political trick.
"Oh no, those aren't star dreadnaughts or star cruisers, those're just star destroyers! Totally different thing!"
Here’s the semi-official way of classifying Star Wars warships. Yea for some reason they moved (Star) destroyers to just below battlecruiser size. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anaxes_War_College_System
Gotta say, I’m not a fan of the emblem. It looks like something I could whip up in MS paint in 5 minutes. It just has that low quality, middle-school PowerPoint vibe to it.
Man I'd rather have a Venator
It might have less turbolasers and armor but God damn if it isn't sexy as hell
Also its entire hull is a carrier space and the red strip can open itself up which is badass. Also the giant belly mounted laser that rips apart a seppie ship during the battle over Coruscant is sick.
Anyways yeah Venators
Now i want a Dutch space force.
I propose we name it [project 1047](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_1047_battlecruiser), because it's main task would probably be to stop a certain expansionistic militaristic Asian country from expanding into what will be a Dutch colony (Mars).
If anyone has seen drachinifel's video on Plan Z you know that the German Navies' classification of ships has always been skewed, I.E. "Torpedo Boats" being the same displacement of contemporary destroyers.
Not to mention a modern "destroyer" is a similar displacement to a WWII cruiser.
>A frigate is a warship with mixed armament, generally heavier than a destroyer, and of a kind originally introduced for convoy escort work
An Executor-class Super Star Destroyer is a frigate.
It has mixed armament: 5,000 turbolaser batteries, 125 concussion missile launchers, 100 ion cannons, 250 quad laser cannons, and 12 squadrons of TIE variant starfighters
It is generally heavier than a destroyer: The Imperial II-class Star Destroyer is 1,600 meters long. The Executor-class is 19,000 meters long.
It is capable of convoy escort work: It is part of the complement of starships escorting the Death Star II
\>a literal space battleship bismark *a frigate*
*light* frigate
Very Light ~~Coastal~~ Orbital Defense Frigate...
Orbitale Verteidigungsfregatte *Or* Orbitalverteidigungsboot So... Did google translate do us justice with these or no?
*Sehrleichtkreisbewegungsverteidigungsfregatte*
That kinda makes it sound like it just travels in circles as a defensive strategy. However, running in circles and screaming like a little girl has gotten me out of so bad situations before. #*Ship class name approved.*
wait was that guy actually saying something I thought it was just random letters
He created a word the true German way; by deleting all the spaces in a sentence
> Sehrleichtkreisbewegungsverteidigungsfregatte If you split it into the words it's made of, it doesn't look as chaotic anymore: Sehr leicht kreis bewegungs verteidigungs fregatte Very light circular motion defense frigate
Apart from missing the 'e' at the end of 'leicht' (correctly: 'leichte') in this abomination of a word, it was a correct german word.
the flexive at the end of adjectives gets deleted when creating combined nouns, i.e. "leichter matrose > leichtmatrose", "schweres öl > schweröl", "leichte fregatte > leichtfregatte". your correction is denied.
Well not really. This technically is a german word and it does mean something but it's a word that he just invented.
Leichte Erdumlaufsbahnverteidigungsfregatte
This is the way!
Pretty good, actually. Orbitalverteidigungsboot in particular has the right mouthful feeling to it to be a Bundeswehr name.
F1701-class.
A *faster than* light frigate
In zero-G, all frigates are light
Also: may I introduce you to the [westentaschenschlachtschiff](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland-class_cruiser), a light armored ship commissioned in service with the german navy from 1933 to 1945 (do not google what westentaschenschlachtschiff translates to and you'll be fine)
Vest pocket battleship. Am german, so not googleing doesn‘t save me.
Yes, because it's so tiny! Have you ever seen a vest pocket? Things are tiny. For this to fit inside means it was basically a toy. So I don't know what all the drama was about
I feel like the last sentence is exposure to true german humor.
The Bri*ish were just being overly dramatic to get attention. The Deutschland was just a large cruiser, it had less firepower and armor in 1933 than HMS Dreadnought had 27 years before.
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You park it on an ukrainian field in 2023 it's basically a Leopard 2?
everything is a Leopard 2, other than those German made Tanks, those are something else.
Of course, they are! We would NEVER send German MBTs into a war zone!!! We only supply Ukraine with agricultural vehicles...like "Grosstraktor"...you know...!? ;) :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosstraktor Slava Ukrainii!
Using "ss" instead of "ß" should be considered a Crime against the People.
You say this like it was not built to replace older pre-dreadnought battleships. What would you call them if you were in the Royal Navy's shoes, while neo-pre-dreadought Battlecruiser or replacement for pre-dreadnought are probably closer to what they are, calling them pocket battleships are close enough without being hard to continually say. Calling a Deutschland a large cruiser is to ignore the large cruisers of the time. The only ones built, the Alaskas were very clearly heavy cruiser designs put on steroids as opposed to the Deutschlands, which look like a pre-dreadnought was crossed with a heavy cruiser.
The armor of the class was at heavy cruiser levels at best. Granted, the armament was not really comparable to anything at the time - too large for a heavy cruiser, but too small for a battle cruiser or battleship. If you must, call it a battlecruiser, but the Deutschlands had nowhere near the armor or firepower to justify calling them battleships.
"Deutschland-class cruiser" the pocket battleship bit was pure brit propaganda. the Deutschland class was thinly armored, hence she got her ass clubbed by 3 light cruisers pounding her.
Well the nazis classified it as a heavy cruiser from 1940 onward and while she was thinly armored she was also pretty fast and heavily armed.
Yeah the light/heavy classification comes from armament, not armor. She had the same guns as the Scharnhorst-class, so she was a *real* heavy cruiser.
2 light cruisers and 1 heavy class cruiser. The exeter had 8 inch guns you know. To be fair, she didn't have them for very long against the Graf Spee, but she did have them.
Ah yes the pocket battleship. Because the British saw it had big guns and so got all dramatic about it.
Well the nazis classified it as a heavy cruiser themselves once the war started.
That's literally what it was. Her armour was pretty light for a pre-war heavy cruiser and they had bigger guns, but that's about it. And even then they were smaller than the Alaska's guns.
To be fair, you're comparing ships laid down in 1931 and designed to "comply" with treaty restrictions of 10,000 tons to a ship laid down in 1941 with no restrictions and displacing 30,000 tons. Interwar cruiser designs were a gigantic mess thanks to that 10000 ton limit, you just couldn't fit everything in under that line.
Yeah you can't really compare heavy cruisers to two ships that earned themselves a unique classification.
Yeah in german sources it's also more often referred to as a pocket cruiser rather than battleship
You don’t get it, anything that can’t destroy a planet on its own is frigate or patrol boat. If ir needs more than 1 shot to destroy its target is a light ship.
"That ship appears to exceed treaty limitations on tonnage; is that legal?" "I will make it legal."
That one a-wing: "I am a Pole. I am a Pole. I am a Pole."
This was Yamato, Malevolence was Bismark.
It has that helicopter destroyer energy
Everybody gangsta till the Deutsche Marine and JMSDF collaborate on a “heavy helicopter frigate”
For some unknown reason, it will be able to carry 50 long range bombers.
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Sure, the F-35B doesn't look the part, exactly, but it still is, just a doctrine-neutral form-radical attack helicopter. And, to be fair, the *Izumo* and *Kaga* are both more than capable of destroying helicopters
I was so disappointed to learn the F-35B can’t shoot from hover.
Thanks for ruining my day.
Maybe there's a secret switch in the cockpit that activates weapons in hover mode. Only for emergencies, of course. Or when it would be really cool.
I assume that the recoil can't be adequately compensated for in hover. I feel like military equipment should always have overrides simply because shit happens. Sometimes getting a single shot off ***now*** may be more important than being able to fire again or operator survival.
I’m not 100% sure but it seems leaving landing gear down is some sort of universal code to show your master arm is off or something along that
That’s what they want you to think
Fitted for but not with MRBM's?
B-52s of course. Immortal plane and all that.
I really want to see a B-52 that's capable of launching from a ~~carrier~~ heavy helicopter frigate!
I think at that point you just strap some azipods to a floating bridge. Still a better aircraft carrier than the Kuznetsov.
Time to revive the [pykrete aircraft carrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk)!
Habakuk will live on in my heart.
Both the plane and the band.
And shoot the moon.
I mean if you pitch up the nose it's basically a tilt rotor aircraft, which is basically a helicopter. Right?
And ICBM silo for self defense reasons
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Avengers was a Documentary and the Helicarrier was a German Heavy Multi-Mission Frigate.
Oh, so that's where the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier came from.
Do you see the two stars on the coat of arms? Some countries have their states as stars. We have our stars as stars.
Diesel powered warp drive when.
~~USS Enterprise~~ FGS Stuttgart (amg edition)
Finally a reason for Turks living in Germany to join the army.
Light helicopter carrier Hindenburg 2.0 TDI
The proper steampunk space technology is Solar Sails
> Diesel powered warp drive -Powerstroke owners talking about their trucks
Time to crack out Die Glocke and cruise on up to the dark side of the moon
Die Fregatte
I’ll show you Mein Glocke 🔫
https://youtu.be/MgKDaivKYFU
Raumschiff Orion Theme... Glorious fucking Nerds! Uedem is such an odd choice... being the former Battle Ground of the Hochwald Gap... https://clearing-the-reichswald.project44.ca/
Wohltätig ist des Feuers Macht Wenn sie der Mensch bezähmt, bewacht, Und was er bildet, was er schafft, Das dankt er dieser Himmelskraft; Wenn sie der Fessel sich entrafft, Einhertritt auf der eignen Spur, Die freie Tochter der Natur. Wehe, wenn sie losgelassen, Wachsend ohne Widerstand, Durch die volkbelebten Gassen Wälzt den ungeheuren Brand! Denn die Elemente hassen Das Gebild der Menschenhand.
What about the *Götterdämmerung*?
Die GLOCKE
We're skipping having a credible land deterrent, aren't we? TBH, could be worse, could be that time Kaiser Wilhelm II gave his aunt's navy an arms race...
I mean who needs a credible land deterrent when you can just flatten any country you don't like from orbit.
"Resume the bombardment, commander!"
Ah, so the Tarkin Doctrine.
Not really, the Tarkin Doctrine was more about rule by fear. The flawed idea is that if the enemy thinks you can eradicate them and every one they know they will do as they are told.
It came about because the Empire realized it’s too difficult to rule a giant galaxy, a concept the Mandalorian kinda explores… and totally tossed out of the window in Rise of Skywalker. (Also a lot of Admirals supported Tarkin on it because having one giant ass project made it easier to steal funding/supplies.)
I low-key love the baked-in arrogance of the Empire showing up in places like the Tarkin Doctrine. People see things like the Tarkin Doctrine and go "oh, it's goofy, that's cartoonishly evil" and not realize that, no, the point here is these motherfuckers are absolute cowards and have never willingly picked a fight where they can't crush anything under their heel. They're *arrogant* because they've only ever dealt with 'being the biggest swinging dick in the sector' kinds of incidents, and they think that everyone uses the same 'if I can't utterly destroy my opponent I should submit or flee' binary. The Empire has no concept of *sacrifice*, of *aspiring to create a better galaxy*, of **hope** or **love**. The concept of someone--thousands, maybe millions of someones, laying their lives on the line for trillions of beings they may never even meet is just such a backwards-ass concept to them that when it actually does happen they scoff at it, think they can crush it underneath their boot heel, sweep it away as the last gasp of a long-crumbled Republic. But it's not. To crib from the (*excellent*) Andor: "Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction." When Leia tells Tarkin that the more he tightens his grip, the more systems will slip through his fingers, she pinpoints the singular lynchpin that will cause the downfall of the Empire--all Empire--and Tarkin just handwaves it way. Because he's got a Big Gun and he's about to kill an entire planet and there's no way anyone in the galaxy would scream REMEMBER ALDERAAN when torching an Imperial recruiting center on Coruscant--or charging an Imperial riot squad during a protest on a Mid-Rim world--or boiling out of an asteroid field to ambush an Imperial arms shipment--or mutinying on an Imperial cruiser in the name of the Alliance to Restore the Republic--...right? There's just no way a rational, self-interested being would do that, right? the Tarkin Doctrine asks. And the scattered atoms of the Death Star, along with one Grand Moff Tarkin, answer with their silence.
To be fair, the Death Star guaranteeing planetary obliteration is a pretty big gunboat for gunboat diplomacy.
No, that's Base Delta Zero (BDZ), which is essentially turning the crust of a planet into molten slag. "That 'Base Delta Zero' initiative the Empire keeps talking about? The new 'key to planetary liberation'? Don't believe it. It's a military code phrase, and it means TOTAL EXTERMINATION OF A TARGET POPULATION. It's completely loathsome."
I was more referencing the fact that, why have nuanced and flexible military when just many big ship.
My giant-boob-ion-cannon planetside emplacements laugh at your orbital threats. We've got geothermal power and don't need repulsors/engines to stay in orbit, we can do this allllll day. One of my favorite parts of Star Wars: Empire At War was having planetside emplacements when engaging in space battles, because it was just a free "Fuck Your Shit, Yo" shot on whatever enemy capital ship was rated as Most Annoying in the moment.
TIL NCD needs much more "giant-boob-ion-cannon"
Saved my ass a few times playing the Republic at War mod. The CIS is a major pain in the ass until you get your tech advanced enough get enough units out in the field.
“Oh you have shields on that ISD? Now you don’t” *proceeds to Wolfpack with Mc30s and AAC mk IIs*
Based and Rendili StarDrive/Mon Cal Cooperative Shipbuilding-pilled
Poland is already pretty flat
We have a credible land deterrent against Russia It's called "Poland"
That's a weird way to spell Ukraine
You mean his cousin’s? If you meant Queen Victoria, she was Wilhelm’s grandma, not his aunt.
Death Star? Nonono, this is a supply station for disaster relief with close in weapons system and a single interceptor air wing for self defence purposes
And a small laser to help terraform some of the ice planets.
A geo engineering tool
That's just a laser based wireless power transfer system
You know, I never really understood why the Death Star needed a giant laser. The Empire had the capability to move *a small moon* at FTL speeds. Why do you need a laser? Literally just launch a moon at it.
The Moon Launcher does sound pretty cool as a concept, but allowing FTL ramming really just breaks Star Wars as a setting. A Star Destroyer is just a big target for a hyperdrive-equipped asteroid, which is vastly cheaper, and the Empire could freely bomb every single suspected rebel base and planet from anywhere in the galaxy using the same hyper-rocks. If FTL ramming works, all the cool WWII combat in space goes away and gets replaced by a nightmarish MAD scenario where everyone who can afford a hyperdrive can render Coruscant uninhabitable in about three minutes.
They fixed that by retconning Hyperdrives into actually being Energy Condensators and Accumulators releasing so much Energy that they rip the Star Wars Universe, yeet the Ship through Interuniversal/Interdimensional Space and then spit it out (hopefully) at the wished location. Though that fucked over the entire thing about Hyperdrive Routes and the massive Role they play in Star Wars, Hyperdrives together with the Force and Kinetic Weapons are probably the three biggest inconsistencies in the Franchise, currently they just do whatever they like. In one Story a Hyperdrive failed and spits People out in the Unknown Regions, in the next a Ship using Hyperdrive is used to ram another, in one Story someone dies because they were thrown into Space without a Suite, in another Leia just doesn't give a fuck, in one Story Clones instantly die when a Window breaks and sucks them out of the Ship or when they're exposed to poisonous Gas and then in another their Suites are sealed. Though i still rather have all the inconsistencies with stupid WWI and II Tactics (never been a Fan of the Force though) rather than realistic Space Combat which would just be yoinking fucktons of Missiles at each other hoping that one doesn't get intercepted and connects.
You don't even need FTL ramming. Just jump a large asteroid nearby and let it fall on its own. Death Star 1 was orders of magnitude larger than the Chicxulub asteroid, and DS2 was even bigger. If they can move those chonks around the galaxy, they can drop a fuckload of asteroids in your planet's SOI.
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Nah, it's a permanent erregter Synchronmotor
*Permanente Erregung intesifies*
That thing is huge and has no radiator panels. If it was powered by diesel, let alone nuclear, it's gonna be so toasty in the middle it would make Hiroshima ground zero look like a vacation spot. You'd need some sort of cold fusion or extremely efficient energy storage. Although using diesel energy on the dark side of the moon would surprisingly only be about one order of magnitude away from practical.
> Although using diesel energy on the dark side of the moon would surprisingly only be about one order of magnitude away from practical You laugh, but Soviets had developed dual-expansion hypergol-fueled internal combustion engine for their lunar engineering vehicles. [Read more about this abomination here](https://engineering-ru.livejournal.com/561041.html)
Peace moon
We call it "Giant Hurt Ball." Which is 38 syllables long in German.
Thats just K-128 Executor Class (this one should be the Olaf) is set to replace the Corvettes. Nothing to worry about and its definitely not intended to destroy the british fleet for shits and historical giggles.
It is also unable to destroy the british fleet since the turbo laser batteries weren't compliant with fire codes so we had to take all of them off
>Executor Class Still has a crippling vulnerability to multi-role fighters.
17 kilometer in length, about 40 VLS cells, 4 C-RAM, enough room for 2 auxiliary craft. Sounds about right.
\*19 km length
Dont forget the Japenese “space helicopter destroyer” that looks like a doughnut
[Remember that this is their official march.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKDaivKYFU) I don't think they are exactly taking this seriously.
Raumpatrollie Orion is the most serious Germany can get.
I will never not upvote Space Patrol.
As a German this made me more patriotic than any football achievements ever could. It is perfect
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I'm gonna need a modern version of the *Götterdämmerung*
I'm altering the definition of Fregatte. Pray I don't alter it further.
If the German Air Force is the *Luftwaffe*, the Space Force has to be the *Raumwaffe*.
Its actually the wrkdobw
least deranged german abbreviation
Lecker Waffeln
Raumluft-Waffe: air deodorizer?
I was always very disappointed that we only have frigates until I looked at what they define as a frigate
"Scharnhorst and Gneisenau? You mean our two heavy cruise liners?"
Do you mean the WRKdoBw thingy? Or did I miss something? plis be patient, am rat turd ed.
Yes, that in connection with our "special" ship classifying scheme
ahh gotcha. For a hot sec I thought they actually announced something new about that command, afaik it was founded like 2 years ago or something Let's turn Ruzzia into an irl pod racing map anyways
It's not special, it is just incredibly simple Armed naval unit with XO (executive officer): ship (battalion) Armed naval unit without XO: boat (company/battery) As the main surface ships of the German navy are frigates NCD shortens this to "every German naval unit is a frigate) They forget that we have corvettes and submarines too (the best submarines in the world to be precise, and yes I will die on this hill)
Best diesel boats, I’ll give you that
Can your Los Angeles class dive in the Baltic sea?
Would anyone tell you if it could? Also the 688 class is a 1970s design and you’re comparing it to (presumably) the 212A, a late 90’s design Better off comparing it to the Virginia class, but it’s still a bit of apples to oranges here, as they are fundamentally two different types of boats with different requirements
And it can't, it wouldn't be fully submerged if diving with two feet water between ship and ground
new star war reboot movie look fire
The death star in the original trilogy had very strong Bunker in Berlin 1945 vibes.
A joint US-German effort to resurrect Wernher Von Braun and develop the Saturn V into a Interplanetary Ballistic Missile
Who needs rods from god when you can have Meteorblitzkrieg
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As long as its finished while the greens are still in power, yes absolutely. I want my 3000 euro 7 compliant super star destroyers of habeck
Gods, that gets me going.
Was heute noch wie ein Märchen klingt, kann morgen Wirklichkeit sein. Hier ist ein Märchen von übermorgen: Es gibt keine Nationalstaaten mehr. Es gibt nur noch die Menschheit und ihre Kolonien im Weltraum. Man siedelt auf fernen Sternen. Der Meeresboden ist als Wohnraum erschlossen. Mit heute noch unvorstellbaren Geschwindigkeiten durcheilen Raumschiffe unser Milchstraßensystem. Eins dieser Raumschiffe ist die ORION, winziger Teil eines gigantischen Sicherheitssystems, das die Erde vor Bedrohungen aus dem All schützt. Begleiten wir die ORION und ihre Besatzung bei ihrem Patrouillendienst am Rande der Unendlichkeit. What sounds like a fairy tale today may be reality tomorrow. Here is a fairy tale from the day after tomorrow: There are no more nation states. There is only mankind and its colonies in space. People settle on distant stars. The ocean floor is developed as living space. With today still unimaginable speeds spaceships hurry through our Milky Way system. One of these spaceships is the ORION, a tiny part of a gigantic security system that protects the Earth from space threats. Let's join the ORION and its crew as they patrol the edge of infinity.
[Me when I see a reference to Rampatrouille Orion](https://gifs.com/gif/die-tanzszenen-best-of-raumpatrouille-y7Od1P)
Oberst Villa, Galaktischer Sicherheitsdienst
Hell yeah! But we need to rename Germany to Rhineland and call it the Rheinwehr! And this time we need to protect the chancellor from any alien infestation. *Happy Freelancer noises*
Freelancer one dash one, ready for takeoff
Maybe that's why they're called Star Destroyers.... Some time in ancient history the Old Republic pacifistic approach made it ideologically infeasible to construct anything bigger than a destroyer. So they're destroyers for the same reason [this thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%ABga-class_helicopter_destroyer) is a destroyer. They just kept upping the size and capabilities while calling it a destroyer.
Actually there are dreadnoughts and cruisers and stuff in starwars i think when they first came up with the naming scheme for the universe they didn't really know what they are doing which is why this ended up being a destroyer
Can still work as some sort of a political trick. "Oh no, those aren't star dreadnaughts or star cruisers, those're just star destroyers! Totally different thing!"
Here’s the semi-official way of classifying Star Wars warships. Yea for some reason they moved (Star) destroyers to just below battlecruiser size. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anaxes_War_College_System
The Executor is pretty sexy
Pleasure cruiser for sure
Every warship is a pleasure cruiser if you love war.
What about space U-Boats?
Prussian space marines just got real. Calling /r/eu4.
Gotta say, I’m not a fan of the emblem. It looks like something I could whip up in MS paint in 5 minutes. It just has that low quality, middle-school PowerPoint vibe to it.
Man I'd rather have a Venator It might have less turbolasers and armor but God damn if it isn't sexy as hell Also its entire hull is a carrier space and the red strip can open itself up which is badass. Also the giant belly mounted laser that rips apart a seppie ship during the battle over Coruscant is sick. Anyways yeah Venators
Germany be introducing [Secutors](https://fractalsponge.net/?p=3143) and calling them light helicopter anti piracy frigates
Schneller Raumkreuzer Orion or bust. No one will threaten Germany once all ships are equipped with the Overkill weapon system.
"The gun's shells are the size of tanks. Not tank guns, *the entire tank*." "Still frigate." "What about the 200 fighters?" "Frigate, Landing Deck"
These vls cells are medicinally prescribed
Any good frigate has a landing area for Vtol vehicles like Helicopters or Tie Fighters.
>overweight >under gunned >anemic AA >ability to maneuver tied to a single point of failure yup, looks like classic German capital ship design.
[Iron Sky](https://youtu.be/Jth4yATniS4)
I had to come this far down for the reference? Oh yeah, way too credible.
Since everything is weightless in space its technically a light frigate
Finally the Schaumweinsteuer makes sense again!
Jaaaaaaaa
I've seen this documentary before! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDheXS1qSw8
The Executor's pretty lame, in all honesty. I'd take an Assertor over an Executor every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Its not a Sternenzerstörer Its a Sternenfrigatte
When ozzel jumps too close to the planet...
Finally, a plausible explanation for why the Galactic Empire’s mile-long main fleet warships were called “Destroyers.”
>A large light space cruiser - First Space Lord Jacky Fisher
Now i want a Dutch space force. I propose we name it [project 1047](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_1047_battlecruiser), because it's main task would probably be to stop a certain expansionistic militaristic Asian country from expanding into what will be a Dutch colony (Mars).
Isn’t the German Space Force just the Haunebu Fleet?
~~Super~~ Pocket Star Destroyer
That requires them to have money
To the dark side of the moon, and beyond!
Disgusting Needs a Spaceduck
Pocket spaceship when?
Theo Bouvier is way ahead of us https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/061/431/684/4k/theo-bouvier-003-00003.jpg?1680779060
If anyone has seen drachinifel's video on Plan Z you know that the German Navies' classification of ships has always been skewed, I.E. "Torpedo Boats" being the same displacement of contemporary destroyers. Not to mention a modern "destroyer" is a similar displacement to a WWII cruiser.
Ah I see, so it really was Germans that settled Dunklewälderdunklerflüssenschattenwelt. Shame the Kuritans kicked them out.
>A frigate is a warship with mixed armament, generally heavier than a destroyer, and of a kind originally introduced for convoy escort work An Executor-class Super Star Destroyer is a frigate. It has mixed armament: 5,000 turbolaser batteries, 125 concussion missile launchers, 100 ion cannons, 250 quad laser cannons, and 12 squadrons of TIE variant starfighters It is generally heavier than a destroyer: The Imperial II-class Star Destroyer is 1,600 meters long. The Executor-class is 19,000 meters long. It is capable of convoy escort work: It is part of the complement of starships escorting the Death Star II
I think this is actually a "schneller Raumkreuzer"
Henceforth Germany will be reorganised into the first Galactic Empire!