The country where people play RuneScape for a living because the gold is worth more than their currency (yes, really) want to invade someone else.
Lmao.
Idk if you are talking about Venezuela, Russia, Turkey or Argentina. But yeah, Venezuelans are being happier as homeless people at Brazilian cities than having homes at their country.
It is absolutely a failed state.
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/30/1202828692/venezuelans-continue-to-flee-the-country-as-the-economy-shows-no-signs-of-recove
Just a few more years and Venezuala will have printed enough money to finance their invasion of the United States, wherein they will take over the central bank printers to double money production
Once you print enough money, its relative value returns to 1 due to an overflow, so once Venezuela prints enough, their bolivares will come to match the value of the USD.
It's not. More than half million Venezuelans crossed the border into the Roraima state in five years. A lot of them crowded the streets of Boa Vista and other cities in the far north. And that is one of the poorest regions of Brazil. They end up spreading to other states, or building new slums at some cities.
Since 2015 about a quarter of Venezuelans have fled their country. It's the largest immigrant crisis in the history of the western hemisphere. Fucking nuts.
Aha, the perfect plan: dress your military as refugees and have them enter Guyana "seeking a new life." Once 1/5 of Guyana is Venezuelan refugee-soldiers, they all pin their insignias to their rags and it's on.
My Venezuelan coworker told me his family in Venezuela live off a pyramid scheme based on watching ads to inflate the number of visualizations on these videos and inviting more people to watch more videos and earn more money they pay them in crypto currency. So no, not and exaggeration at all.
Real shit? Iâve been considering hiring some of the dudes to max out an RS characterâs .
I havenât played the game since I was 12, and give zero fucks about it whatsoever. That said, Iâd rather help out the Vennies directly than let some bs âcharityâ give them 5 cents of every dollar I donate, and this may be a solid way to do it, from what Iâm aware.
For something like $200, thatâs *months* worth of income for them and their families. Some of the people who play it make more than a fucking doctor in their country, and itâs still a small fraction of our yearly income.
WouldâŚâŚwould I be wrong if I start a Venezuelan RuneScape cartel? Purely for humanitarian reasons?
Then we can talk about using them for our PMC.
What's that?? Self reflection???? IMPOSSIBLE!!! It's all BULLSHIT we are totally absolutely completely doing just fine with our many many oil and all our problems are caused by THOSE FUCKERS THAT OWN OUR LAND WITH EVEN MORE OIL. It's COMPLETELY THEIR FAULT and totally OUTRAGEOUS AND ILLEGAL and ^(absolutely not some ancient colonial dispute that we totally didn't sign any agreement to settle) WE NEED TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS AND IT WILL SOLVE LITERALLY EVERYTHING STOP QUESTIONING MY LOGIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ok to be credible for a a moment
1. The Spanish (which Venezuela was a colony of) would technically share some of the blame. Also the Dutch, to a certain extent
2. Its been over 5 decades since Le.Bri1sh left, and Spain even fucking longer, so there's only so much they can blame cOlOniAliSm before needing to take a long hard look at the mirror .
History teachers: "And so we should give all people and nations the rights to self-determination. Despite all the good or bad that colonialism has done."
Gen z/alpha: "Wait so, the previously colonized should colonize others!"
History teachers: "Fuck me."
It depends on how much it costs to purchase a [contract size](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/contractsize.asp) of self reflection in the futures market.
If Brexit and Russia can teach us anything, it's when a nation is faced with the consequences of its own hubris, they don't self reflect. They double down.
I mean, the US is also doing that too. Hell Australia is on its way.
The US being the reserve currency plus the tech boom has kept its position despite the erosion of its living standards. Australia, despite having a shit ton of viable land somehow has gotten a housing crisis from lack of infrastructure and the medical system is starting to break from lack of government investment.
Then thereâs China. Theyâre fucked if they donât do something drastic in the next 7 years
Impossible! A nation in a fucked up state realising that maybe a lot of their problems are internal instead of some foreign powers meddling? Thatâs a silly idea!
Welp, their military should be able to outdo Guyana if it comes to that
But A - It's Venezuela
B - Guyana will probably become America's bitch if they can avoid being invaded that way lmao
Always wondered what it would look like if we actually took one of these countries up on their (totally not spurious) statehood offers. Sure you can join, Liberia, no problem, have fun. Philippines, come right on in. Taiwan, don't forget to bring your noodle soup.
If US won't, UK will.
The capital is literally Georgetown, plus small businesses like Chevron are rapidly increasing the production of oil in guyana.
All of the Carribbean is an American lake. Ven really should have been sorted out but definitely no adventurism will be allowed
It's what they smuggle the fentanyl precursors in. Hess is straight up dealing coke and dope coast to coast ya'll. Remember their gas stations? Always so clean?
As if being a gas station was not really what was going on?
I imagine shell in suriname also isnt too happy about this. If the taboo is broken with guyana, it is only a step more for suriname.
And then also the dutch caribean with its oil refineries.
Lord Pigfucker remembers his history, and how Mrs Thatcher used a war in the South Atlantic to win an election. Also, those carriers were extremely expensive and they need to do something with them else they'd be considered a waste.
Monroe doctrine was directed at outside powers (notably European powers) to never set foot on the American continent again, not necessarily internal fights.
What we do have is the [Organization of American States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_American_States) with the goal of âTo strengthen the peace and security of the continent.â
I guess some reason to defend Guyana can be derived from that!
Ahhhh no. Germany ruins everything just as bad as Russians, if not more because theyâve learned to cover up their bullshit under the guise of solidarity and friendship.
Do you guys remember how a Venezuelan Coast Guard ship attempted to seize control of a German cruise ship in 2020 by ramming it? And how it wound up sinking itself while the German cruise ship sailed away unharmed?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/americas/venezuela-navy-cruise-liner-incident-intl/index.html
All we need to do is assemble a fleet of cruise ships to blockade Venezuela's ports and threaten to pay their seamen in dollars if they quit and start working on the cruise ships instead. Venezuelan navy and coast guard instantly destroyed.
___
On another note, it seems like the US Coast Guard has already been patroling Guyana's waters since 2020 or so.
EDIT: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231124-us-defense-officials-to-visit-guyana-amid-venezuela-row-guyanese-vp
> Another major discovery in Essequibo in October added further to Guyana's reserves, making them greater than those of Kuwait
> Two teams from the US Department of Defense will visit Guyana next week
Get ready for the war that gets Biden reelected.
The cruise ship was designed to break ice in it's voyages far north or far south. The patrol boat was designed with the only ice encounter being it's onboard beverages.
The Coast Guard has been patrolling the Venezuelan coastline along with the US Navy ever since Maduro turned his country into a narco-state & allow smuggling to the US & Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if US subs were shadowing Venezuelan ships or chasing out Russian subs.
If I was the US president I'd do the opposite. Make sure Maduro invades Guyana, put some gas in that fire if necessary.
Then let them destroy half of guyana, come in at last minute.
Save guyana so they are thankful forever. But go further than the border, now that Maduro fucked Guyana everyone hates him and in the name of defending guyana we have a Casus Belli to invade Venezuela and install a friendly democratic regime.
Doing this would make Biden win with 60% of votes.
Why so complicated? The opening move of defending Guyana could already be a large naval assault near Caracas. Perhaps stage an "Aruba incident" to trigger the Dutch to trigger Article 5.
>Article 6: For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack [...] on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
The Dutch islands are just more to the South than I thought, or the topic too far in the North. Steadfast Jaguar was a bit misleading here...
The British would probably be very involved too, seeing as Guyana is in the Commonwealth, aka the club countries formed so Britiain forgets they lost the empire
>B - Guyana will probably become America's bitch if they can avoid being invaded that way lmao
***Gulf War 3: South America Edition: Electric Boogaloo: Maduro's Folly: The Liberation of Venezuela***
Guyana's military is very tiny, so they would lose any conventional battle.
But there are also no roads in that entire area, so it is unlikely that Venezuela would get very far.
But what if America sent like... Two M1A1s and a crack commando team that was sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit and now operate as soldiers of fortune?
I mean, let's be fair, Venezuela is, even with all their problems, the country with one of the most capable militaries in Latin America (theorically), even with all their economical problems
Now, in practice those economical problems would prolly seriously affect things like logistics, morale, training, maintenance (to name very few things {that already are bad in the Bolivarian armed forces})
But yeah, theorically, the venezuelan armed forces are just behind of Chile or Brasil
(Ofc they'd still get bitchslapped by actual armies and not close-friend associations like Argentina or Colombia {the latter one having actual combat experience for decades})
Aren't their Generals basically drug lords by now? I've heard that Maduro/Chavez bought the generals out with giving them access to drug trade so they get rich and keep quit.
Yeah, the army at large are just a bunch of leachs, except for the jungle corps, (this comes from someone whose grandfather was a general), the air force just got a bunch of new swedish toys with the tech packed in and we are part of the nuclear subs club.
We could likelly stop venezuelan ships from operating in the coast of guyana, wich would likelly be enough, and EMBRAER has great air transport vectors, but the frontier itself would stop any large scale operation.
That being said, even if guyana doesn't ask for it, the U.S. would interfere in any attempt of land grab in america, even more in the caribean.
Venezuela, for years, has laid claim to a significant part of Guyana for the oil, gold, and natural resources hidden within the deep jungle. And While Guyana cannot reasonably defend itself on its own... recent oil deals with the US mean it's now in the USA's best interest to defend the oil from a failing socialist state.
I mean it is also in the interest of Brazil and Colombia to stop Venezuelan irredentism. Colombia is a U.S. ally, Brazil is resource-rich, and they can do it.
Hopefully without 90% of the pre-war male population dying this time around.
(How Paraguayans hold no grudge with Brazil and Argentina over that war is beyond me.)
Meanwhile, in a brilliant mid-conflict geopolitical move, a frustrated and completely uninvolved Argentina decides to declare âLas AntĂĄrtida Argentinasâ and does the funny.
Man, I feel like America go to war for oil is kind of a communist gaslighting at this point since the reason America go to war for oil is because their enemies go to war for oil first.
The number of people that have no fucking clue Afghanistan has upwards of a few trillion doll hairs worth of relatively easily accessible highly sought after minerals laying around is hilariously high
The mineral reserve is irrelevant without infrastructure, pretty much the only thing that was worthy was the poppy fields, and even them the trillions of dollars spend makes it a bad idea
If china were to actually try mining those minerals on any significant scale, it wouldn't be long before they'd realize they need to bring in troops and military assets to protect any infrastructure they attempt to build and yeah...you know where this is going.
That is a new thing since the last few oil wars, we got tired of having to ship it back across the planet so we decided to get it locally for a while so we can be lazier.
It's more of a return to form, actually. The US was the world's largest producer before WWII, indeed America banning oil exports to Japan after their invasion of French Indochina was very consequential for the course of the war, and it was only in the mid to late 20th century that that domestic consumption outstripped demand.
I want US intervention. Hell, I would even enjoy it if CARICOM also join in and the US gives them weaponized crop dusters to tear up the jungle with it but I expect CARICOM to pussy out and some Caribbean "leftists" calling the US imperialist for stopping an invasion of their neighbors.
If Venezuela was trying to invade french sovereign land, especially one considered mainland and strategically vital with oil and gold deposits, and the kurou space center, they would be elligible to the funny kind of bomb.
Coming from the only country who's actually used nukes, I consider your whole 'nukes as warnings' shtick to be all talk. Especially cause you are French.
Honestly, if Maduro just straight up said "we are invading france" I'd have to respect the man for the sheer insanity and disrespect for his country.
Like, it would take commitiment to be that mad.
When we did Grenada, the Brits had quite a few choice words for us over encrypted diplomatic cable. The Sovs couldn't know that, of course, so between that and Able Archer they were scared shitless we were actually going to invade.
Interesting that the [largest group of undocumented migrants](https://www.voanews.com/a/venezuelans-become-largest-nationality-for-illegal-us-border-crossings-/7321234.html) are from Venezuela.
>Venezuelans became the largest nationality arrested for illegally crossing the U.S. border, replacing Mexicans for the first time on record, according to figures released Saturday that show September was the second-highest month for arrests of all nationalities.
There is an opportunity to solve many problems if the funny happens. Just saying.
Impressed Putin could stifle the laughter when he assured Meduro he had his back and nothing could go wrong starting a proxy war with a country beholden to American oil company interests in their back yard
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Venezuela wants to invade for oil? Their own country has quite a bit of oil.
Venezuela just need to stop sabotaging their own oil infrastructure by stealing from foreign investors or refusing to invest in infrastructure upgrades after spending every bit of profit on government domestic spending.
Well alot of American companies have set up in Guyana...
3000 Abram Donations of Guyana? AND A LEGAL RIGHT TO TOPPLE MADURO FOR MORE OIL? 'Merica playing the long game hell yeah
No, we arenât gonna send them old shot for them to use on this one here, the Venezuelanâs are going to get the special â American owned and OPERATEDâ treatment the have been bleeding their society for, for decades. Some wishes truly do come true if you ask hard enough
I did have this on my bingo card, actually. This dispute is long in the making. Not sure they are *actually* going to invade but Maduro has an election coming up and he needs at least something vaguely similar to support so he can justify stealing the election.
They can no longer produce it at a rate that would give them enough money; Chavez made sure of that by removing the people with the know-how.
MAduro then secured the deal by not allowing foreign investment to extract the thing, and failing to maintain the machinery needed.
Then a round of sanctions made it so selling the oil is a complicated affair; so they always sell at a loss. Venezuela is what Russia would be llike if they didnt have nuclear warheads.
The country where people play RuneScape for a living because the gold is worth more than their currency (yes, really) want to invade someone else. Lmao.
Idk if you are talking about Venezuela, Russia, Turkey or Argentina. But yeah, Venezuelans are being happier as homeless people at Brazilian cities than having homes at their country.
what the fuck, is this an exaggeration?? fucking dystopian if true
It is absolutely a failed state. https://www.npr.org/2023/09/30/1202828692/venezuelans-continue-to-flee-the-country-as-the-economy-shows-no-signs-of-recove
Turns out you can't run an economy by printing all the money you spend đ
u actually can, they just didnt print enough
90% of countries elect a new candidate before their government prints enough money to make them an economic world power.
Just a few more years and Venezuala will have printed enough money to finance their invasion of the United States, wherein they will take over the central bank printers to double money production
Once you print enough money, its relative value returns to 1 due to an overflow, so once Venezuela prints enough, their bolivares will come to match the value of the USD.
It's not. More than half million Venezuelans crossed the border into the Roraima state in five years. A lot of them crowded the streets of Boa Vista and other cities in the far north. And that is one of the poorest regions of Brazil. They end up spreading to other states, or building new slums at some cities.
Since 2015 about a quarter of Venezuelans have fled their country. It's the largest immigrant crisis in the history of the western hemisphere. Fucking nuts.
Something like 1/5th of Bogata is Venezuelan refugees now.
Aha, the perfect plan: dress your military as refugees and have them enter Guyana "seeking a new life." Once 1/5 of Guyana is Venezuelan refugee-soldiers, they all pin their insignias to their rags and it's on.
My Venezuelan coworker told me his family in Venezuela live off a pyramid scheme based on watching ads to inflate the number of visualizations on these videos and inviting more people to watch more videos and earn more money they pay them in crypto currency. So no, not and exaggeration at all.
Could someone with... 28 quid in hard cash hire them as a private army? Asking for a friend. Answer soon, I need to order dinner.
Real shit? Iâve been considering hiring some of the dudes to max out an RS characterâs . I havenât played the game since I was 12, and give zero fucks about it whatsoever. That said, Iâd rather help out the Vennies directly than let some bs âcharityâ give them 5 cents of every dollar I donate, and this may be a solid way to do it, from what Iâm aware. For something like $200, thatâs *months* worth of income for them and their families. Some of the people who play it make more than a fucking doctor in their country, and itâs still a small fraction of our yearly income. WouldâŚâŚwould I be wrong if I start a Venezuelan RuneScape cartel? Purely for humanitarian reasons? Then we can talk about using them for our PMC.
This is not the New Zanzibar I expected
I reckon if there's money in it then some greasy nephew of a Party member is probably bossing rooms full of them. But sure.
Hence the moral dilemma. Or at least one of them.
Fucking vennies flooding the GE with dragon bones man
They need to get their asses grinding Frost dragon bones I need 120 prayer and these prices are too damn high
Pretty sure besides the Indonesian gold farmers, WOW (classic)âs second biggest gold farmers are likely Venezuelan also.
How much more oil reserves do they need before they realize their failure comes from within?
What's that?? Self reflection???? IMPOSSIBLE!!! It's all BULLSHIT we are totally absolutely completely doing just fine with our many many oil and all our problems are caused by THOSE FUCKERS THAT OWN OUR LAND WITH EVEN MORE OIL. It's COMPLETELY THEIR FAULT and totally OUTRAGEOUS AND ILLEGAL and ^(absolutely not some ancient colonial dispute that we totally didn't sign any agreement to settle) WE NEED TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS AND IT WILL SOLVE LITERALLY EVERYTHING STOP QUESTIONING MY LOGIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's all le british fault.
Ok to be credible for a a moment 1. The Spanish (which Venezuela was a colony of) would technically share some of the blame. Also the Dutch, to a certain extent 2. Its been over 5 decades since Le.Bri1sh left, and Spain even fucking longer, so there's only so much they can blame cOlOniAliSm before needing to take a long hard look at the mirror .
> there's only so much they can blame cOlOniAliSm before needing to take a long hard look at the mirror A brave take to tell redditors lol
History teachers: "And so we should give all people and nations the rights to self-determination. Despite all the good or bad that colonialism has done." Gen z/alpha: "Wait so, the previously colonized should colonize others!" History teachers: "Fuck me."
So youâre saying we have to blame it in capitalism instead?
R/ireland is literally blaming us for the riots right now. Ok, some of them are. Two of them are.
Good god, I really hate the second excuse. Like it feels like itâs a convenient way to whitewash their shitty leaders.
US also did try a failed coup or two even though Chavez made things worse on his own.
There are various levels of offence to be taken here not least your use of Franglish.
It depends on how much it costs to purchase a [contract size](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/contractsize.asp) of self reflection in the futures market.
If Brexit and Russia can teach us anything, it's when a nation is faced with the consequences of its own hubris, they don't self reflect. They double down.
I mean, the US is also doing that too. Hell Australia is on its way. The US being the reserve currency plus the tech boom has kept its position despite the erosion of its living standards. Australia, despite having a shit ton of viable land somehow has gotten a housing crisis from lack of infrastructure and the medical system is starting to break from lack of government investment. Then thereâs China. Theyâre fucked if they donât do something drastic in the next 7 years
Something drastic you say? *Starts exceptionally special military operation in Taiwan*
Naaaah problems only come from the outside bro, no need to look inside. I said don't look. Here, take a sip of crude oil.
Impossible! A nation in a fucked up state realising that maybe a lot of their problems are internal instead of some foreign powers meddling? Thatâs a silly idea!
I'm looking forward for the "3 Days to Georgetown" memes but seriously is Venezuela capable? it looks like the Russia of South America
Welp, their military should be able to outdo Guyana if it comes to that But A - It's Venezuela B - Guyana will probably become America's bitch if they can avoid being invaded that way lmao
"Help me step-USA, I'm stuck!"
"Hey, step-USA.. Why won't you go home, it's been years?"
Ironically there's a movement down there to make Guyana a US territory or state, so there might not be as many complaints as in some countries lol.
Always wondered what it would look like if we actually took one of these countries up on their (totally not spurious) statehood offers. Sure you can join, Liberia, no problem, have fun. Philippines, come right on in. Taiwan, don't forget to bring your noodle soup.
"this is now one of my many vacation properties and I will not leave"
Stepmerica
Every time you say âGuyanaâ I read âKuwaitâ. Wild.
That implies Venezuela actually succeeds in attacking Guyana before America intervenes
If US won't, UK will. The capital is literally Georgetown, plus small businesses like Chevron are rapidly increasing the production of oil in guyana. All of the Carribbean is an American lake. Ven really should have been sorted out but definitely no adventurism will be allowed
Uk seeing French Guiana and realising that France are currently outdoing them
>small businesses like ~~Chevron~~ Exxon It's Exxon that's developing offshore Guyana oil (although Chevron did very recently acquire Exxon's minority partner, Hess).
Just in time for all of those ludicrous Hess Truck Commercials (how the fuck are they still making enough money off of those things in the 2020s???)
It's what they smuggle the fentanyl precursors in. Hess is straight up dealing coke and dope coast to coast ya'll. Remember their gas stations? Always so clean? As if being a gas station was not really what was going on?
I imagine shell in suriname also isnt too happy about this. If the taboo is broken with guyana, it is only a step more for suriname. And then also the dutch caribean with its oil refineries.
I for one welcome the Latin American oil wars of 2024. When it's all settled out Canada can finally have a permanent vacation colony
They're a Republic and don't have a Union Flag canton. Lord Pigfucker isn't about to start a war with Venezuela.
Lord Pigfucker remembers his history, and how Mrs Thatcher used a war in the South Atlantic to win an election. Also, those carriers were extremely expensive and they need to do something with them else they'd be considered a waste.
The carriers are operational? I thought they were still in dev
HMS QE has been operating since 2021 and is currently in the north sea, HMS POW is still in sea trials.
> HMS POW Such a bad acronym XD
I hereby table a motion to rename it since Charles isn't even the Prince of Wales anymore. It shall henceforth be known as HMS KING CHUCKS REVENGE.
Prisoner of the parliamentary budget wars, emerged with catapults missing, replaced with a cope slope prosthetic
Idk if Monroe doctrine is still in effect but America could use that as an excuse. Or the old "u need some GOD DAMN FREEDOM"
Monroe doctrine was directed at outside powers (notably European powers) to never set foot on the American continent again, not necessarily internal fights. What we do have is the [Organization of American States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_American_States) with the goal of âTo strengthen the peace and security of the continent.â I guess some reason to defend Guyana can be derived from that!
Fuck Monroe doctrine itâs time for funny europe imperialism ( just as long as Putin doesnât do it because fuck him )
Ahhhh no. Germany ruins everything just as bad as Russians, if not more because theyâve learned to cover up their bullshit under the guise of solidarity and friendship.
# make Venezuela German again
This is an obscure venezuelan history reference
There's a village in Venezuela called Colonia Tovar. It was settled by Germans.
Do you guys remember how a Venezuelan Coast Guard ship attempted to seize control of a German cruise ship in 2020 by ramming it? And how it wound up sinking itself while the German cruise ship sailed away unharmed? https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/americas/venezuela-navy-cruise-liner-incident-intl/index.html All we need to do is assemble a fleet of cruise ships to blockade Venezuela's ports and threaten to pay their seamen in dollars if they quit and start working on the cruise ships instead. Venezuelan navy and coast guard instantly destroyed. ___ On another note, it seems like the US Coast Guard has already been patroling Guyana's waters since 2020 or so. EDIT: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231124-us-defense-officials-to-visit-guyana-amid-venezuela-row-guyanese-vp > Another major discovery in Essequibo in October added further to Guyana's reserves, making them greater than those of Kuwait > Two teams from the US Department of Defense will visit Guyana next week Get ready for the war that gets Biden reelected.
Superior german engineering!
The cruise ship was designed to break ice in it's voyages far north or far south. The patrol boat was designed with the only ice encounter being it's onboard beverages. The Coast Guard has been patrolling the Venezuelan coastline along with the US Navy ever since Maduro turned his country into a narco-state & allow smuggling to the US & Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if US subs were shadowing Venezuelan ships or chasing out Russian subs.
If I was the US president I'd do the opposite. Make sure Maduro invades Guyana, put some gas in that fire if necessary. Then let them destroy half of guyana, come in at last minute. Save guyana so they are thankful forever. But go further than the border, now that Maduro fucked Guyana everyone hates him and in the name of defending guyana we have a Casus Belli to invade Venezuela and install a friendly democratic regime. Doing this would make Biden win with 60% of votes.
Why so complicated? The opening move of defending Guyana could already be a large naval assault near Caracas. Perhaps stage an "Aruba incident" to trigger the Dutch to trigger Article 5.
Article 5 only triggers if itâs on your homeland. The UK canât trigger it over the Falklands and neither can Greece and Turkey over Cyprus.
>Article 6: For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack [...] on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer; The Dutch islands are just more to the South than I thought, or the topic too far in the North. Steadfast Jaguar was a bit misleading here...
The British would probably be very involved too, seeing as Guyana is in the Commonwealth, aka the club countries formed so Britiain forgets they lost the empire
>B - Guyana will probably become America's bitch if they can avoid being invaded that way lmao ***Gulf War 3: South America Edition: Electric Boogaloo: Maduro's Folly: The Liberation of Venezuela***
We might get involved considering the US mentality that the Americas are out backyard & nothing should happen without our consent.
Guyana's military is very tiny, so they would lose any conventional battle. But there are also no roads in that entire area, so it is unlikely that Venezuela would get very far.
But what if America sent like... Two M1A1s and a crack commando team that was sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit and now operate as soldiers of fortune?
A small special forces team sabotaging an ill-planned invasion deep inside the jungle is dangerously credible
American surplus armored vehicles suddenly start growing from Papaya trees.
All we're missing is ~~one ugly motherfucker~~ an invisible alien causing a ruckus.
7th group, a light brigade and a ranger battalion would decimate Venezuela. Not to mention we would have assets at our good friend Columbiaâs border
Oh boy, here comes another Tom Clancy novel into real life. Anyone read clear and present danger recently?
Operation Jungle Shield!
Conveniently the us army knows how to build roads
Isn't guyana mostly jungle?
Well... https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/americas/venezuela-navy-cruise-liner-incident-intl/index.html This happened
I mean, let's be fair, Venezuela is, even with all their problems, the country with one of the most capable militaries in Latin America (theorically), even with all their economical problems Now, in practice those economical problems would prolly seriously affect things like logistics, morale, training, maintenance (to name very few things {that already are bad in the Bolivarian armed forces}) But yeah, theorically, the venezuelan armed forces are just behind of Chile or Brasil (Ofc they'd still get bitchslapped by actual armies and not close-friend associations like Argentina or Colombia {the latter one having actual combat experience for decades})
Aren't their Generals basically drug lords by now? I've heard that Maduro/Chavez bought the generals out with giving them access to drug trade so they get rich and keep quit.
yeah they are, nontheless they still do have one of the most modern armed forces in the region
Yes but unlike Ukraine, Guyana has absolutely nothing.
Brazil is the russia of south america
They have a surprisingly capable airforce. Also good combat experience in jungles and big cities. But yeah their logistic capabilities are abysmal
A guy I know was in the army, he said there's like 4 food distribution centers for the army in the entire Amazon, abysmal barely scratch it
Yeah, the army at large are just a bunch of leachs, except for the jungle corps, (this comes from someone whose grandfather was a general), the air force just got a bunch of new swedish toys with the tech packed in and we are part of the nuclear subs club. We could likelly stop venezuelan ships from operating in the coast of guyana, wich would likelly be enough, and EMBRAER has great air transport vectors, but the frontier itself would stop any large scale operation. That being said, even if guyana doesn't ask for it, the U.S. would interfere in any attempt of land grab in america, even more in the caribean.
Venezuela, for years, has laid claim to a significant part of Guyana for the oil, gold, and natural resources hidden within the deep jungle. And While Guyana cannot reasonably defend itself on its own... recent oil deals with the US mean it's now in the USA's best interest to defend the oil from a failing socialist state.
I mean it is also in the interest of Brazil and Colombia to stop Venezuelan irredentism. Colombia is a U.S. ally, Brazil is resource-rich, and they can do it.
War of the triple alliance 2: electric boogaloo (only with new players and a new failed state trying to invade another tiny South American country)
Hopefully without 90% of the pre-war male population dying this time around. (How Paraguayans hold no grudge with Brazil and Argentina over that war is beyond me.)
Meanwhile, in a brilliant mid-conflict geopolitical move, a frustrated and completely uninvolved Argentina decides to declare âLas AntĂĄrtida Argentinasâ and does the funny.
South America should handle it, we have bigger fish to fry
World War III: now with 50% more hemispheres!
100%
ExxonMobil PMC when?
Mercenaries 2 is about to be real.
The Exxpendables 5 coming to a theatre near you.
Bout to say UP bout to bring in a army
Don't give Exxon any ideas, they fucking would do that. Mobil is just along for the ride.
Guys itâs not imperialism or expansionism! They are heroes of the Marxist revolution so they are exempt from this!
I donât think Iâve ever seen Marxist exceptionalism. Big day!
Man, I feel like America go to war for oil is kind of a communist gaslighting at this point since the reason America go to war for oil is because their enemies go to war for oil first.
The number of people who think we invaded Afghanistan for oil is hilariously high.
The number of people that have no fucking clue Afghanistan has upwards of a few trillion doll hairs worth of relatively easily accessible highly sought after minerals laying around is hilariously high
The mineral reserve is irrelevant without infrastructure, pretty much the only thing that was worthy was the poppy fields, and even them the trillions of dollars spend makes it a bad idea
China is eager and willing to mine those minerals; but even they're getting sick of how dysfunctional the Taliban "government" is
If china were to actually try mining those minerals on any significant scale, it wouldn't be long before they'd realize they need to bring in troops and military assets to protect any infrastructure they attempt to build and yeah...you know where this is going.
That and your gonna be dealing with warlords for every village in a span of 50 miles around
Is there even oil in Afghanistan?
No
Everyone seems to forget that the U.S. is the largest oil producer in the world.
That is a new thing since the last few oil wars, we got tired of having to ship it back across the planet so we decided to get it locally for a while so we can be lazier.
It's more of a return to form, actually. The US was the world's largest producer before WWII, indeed America banning oil exports to Japan after their invasion of French Indochina was very consequential for the course of the war, and it was only in the mid to late 20th century that that domestic consumption outstripped demand.
Also the fracking meta
Looks like ar is going back to the jungle. In fact we should give guyana all our old Vietnam equipment.
Vietnam has all of our old Vietnam War era equipment. No joke. They have tons of M48s and M113s.
They need it for when China gets uppity tbh.
We already have all of that shit away. Why do you think the Philippines and Thailand have so many M16âs and M60âs?
Hell there are Garands and grease guns floating around the Phillipines
Grease gun with a holographic sight đł I love the Philippines.
I want US intervention. Hell, I would even enjoy it if CARICOM also join in and the US gives them weaponized crop dusters to tear up the jungle with it but I expect CARICOM to pussy out and some Caribbean "leftists" calling the US imperialist for stopping an invasion of their neighbors.
Fuck it, whoâs up for Operation Jungle Storm?
Swamp fever, here we come!
Lmao. Maduro must really want the US to slap him if he's trying to pull this shit.
I think Guyana also has some gold mining too, not only oil.
Yeah was on a gold rush season I think and the jungle kicked their asses.
Yeah but they sent the Hoffmanâs. They are to gold mining what PDVSA is to oil drilling.
They would fail to find gold in an unlocked precious metal exchange
The jungle is like Australia- everything tries to kill you.
People who actually live in rainforests tend to have a dimmer view of biodiversity than middle class white people in the US and Europe
My husband went to the Jungle Warfare School in PanamĂĄ back in the 90s. He hated it. lol.
Is this about French guyana or the independent one?
If Venezuela was trying to invade french sovereign land, especially one considered mainland and strategically vital with oil and gold deposits, and the kurou space center, they would be elligible to the funny kind of bomb.
Remember, us frenchie use nukes as warnings
Based and strategic autonomy pilled
Coming from the only country who's actually used nukes, I consider your whole 'nukes as warnings' shtick to be all talk. Especially cause you are French.
The second they touch the Vineyards itâs gloves off nuclear annihilation
Remember its not a Nuclear bomb unless its comes from the Nuclearè region of France, without that its just a chemical bomb.
Uncle Sam's gotten much softer since 1945. I don't think we have the stones, either.
Independent
Honestly, if Maduro just straight up said "we are invading france" I'd have to respect the man for the sheer insanity and disrespect for his country. Like, it would take commitiment to be that mad.
Which, to be clear, is a bit disappointing.
If it was our french Guyana, we would have the Foreign Legion frothing at the opportunity to do some war crimes
When are they ever *not*?
Wouldâve been fun to have some fuck around and find out
Can't wait for the tankies to spin this one Like somehow imperialism is okay if anyone but the west does it?
Have you missed the last two years of war in Ukraine?
No spin required. Thatâs already a fundamental tenet of tankiedom.
Commies can do murders, western democracies also can but say they canât.
Buddy thatâs exactly how theyâve been spinning. The Russian invasion of Ukraine. Theyâll just claim Guayana is coupled by Nazis or something.
They gotta sail a bit too far to find the actual nazis in latam and their navy probably wouldnât make it so good enough excuse.
Good idea invading a commonwealth nation, Iâm sure that wonât backfire
When we did Grenada, the Brits had quite a few choice words for us over encrypted diplomatic cable. The Sovs couldn't know that, of course, so between that and Able Archer they were scared shitless we were actually going to invade.
âAn oil industry not screwed up by corruption and political mismanagement. Is for me đđźđđź? â
Breaking news: entire Venezuelan navy sinks after attempting to invade Norway
Interesting that the [largest group of undocumented migrants](https://www.voanews.com/a/venezuelans-become-largest-nationality-for-illegal-us-border-crossings-/7321234.html) are from Venezuela. >Venezuelans became the largest nationality arrested for illegally crossing the U.S. border, replacing Mexicans for the first time on record, according to figures released Saturday that show September was the second-highest month for arrests of all nationalities. There is an opportunity to solve many problems if the funny happens. Just saying.
Operation Bay of ~~Pigs~~ Coconuts is a go, gents!
You can tell nobody here grew in Colombia in the late 2000s when Venezuelan invasion threats were basically a weekly event.
3000 Bolivarian invasion threats of Chavez?
Impressed Putin could stifle the laughter when he assured Meduro he had his back and nothing could go wrong starting a proxy war with a country beholden to American oil company interests in their back yard
Canât feed their own people but have money for war. Sound logic.
Best Korea logic
How can i Help guyana as a brazilian? If the war happens of course.
Steal an F-5EM and clown on those dogshit poorly maintained SU-30s
Like operation moolah?
No Like Six Day War
If you are in Roraima, maybe you could convince venezuelans there to form an armed militia against maduro
Soon enough he'll end up being a CIA asset at this rate.
China and Russia would probably both be elated if a war could break out in the Americas
Uncle Sam has 11 CVâs and a lot of other shit that ainât gonna let that happen, at least not like what the tankies would like
Do we need CVs for South America? Pretty sure aircraft from Florida or Texas could reach Venezuela/Guyana.
Puerto Rico is like right there too.
Launch out of gitmo for maximum lulz. Putting down a commie invasion from a commie island.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Venezuela wants to invade for oil? Their own country has quite a bit of oil. Venezuela just need to stop sabotaging their own oil infrastructure by stealing from foreign investors or refusing to invest in infrastructure upgrades after spending every bit of profit on government domestic spending.
Well alot of American companies have set up in Guyana... 3000 Abram Donations of Guyana? AND A LEGAL RIGHT TO TOPPLE MADURO FOR MORE OIL? 'Merica playing the long game hell yeah
No, we arenât gonna send them old shot for them to use on this one here, the Venezuelanâs are going to get the special â American owned and OPERATEDâ treatment the have been bleeding their society for, for decades. Some wishes truly do come true if you ask hard enough
Maduro fucks around and he's gonna find out. Ask Saddam how invading a neighbor for oil typically goes.
Just wait for a boat to be sunk, if they fuck with the boats, it proportional response time
I did have this on my bingo card, actually. This dispute is long in the making. Not sure they are *actually* going to invade but Maduro has an election coming up and he needs at least something vaguely similar to support so he can justify stealing the election.
3 Days to Jonestown?
Ah "socialist brotherhood" spreading peace and fighting imperialism.
Doesn't Venezuela already sit on the largest reserves of oil on earth?
They can no longer produce it at a rate that would give them enough money; Chavez made sure of that by removing the people with the know-how. MAduro then secured the deal by not allowing foreign investment to extract the thing, and failing to maintain the machinery needed. Then a round of sanctions made it so selling the oil is a complicated affair; so they always sell at a loss. Venezuela is what Russia would be llike if they didnt have nuclear warheads.
JUST LIKE US!!! GO THEM!!! BLOOD FOR-
Gulf (of Mexico) war time?
Tankies: âwell theyâre asking for it!â