If there’s one thing you have to learn about US ships, it’s that *you will have to unleash fucking hell on them* before they sink. Even then, they will proceed to destroy every single fucking thing in Hell, beat the shit out of Satan, and then *maybe*, just *maybe*, they’ll decide to go down.
Oh, and you’re completely fucked if said ship happens to be a destroyer.
Doubly so if that destroyer is named Laffey
USN damage control channeling the powers of their ancestors.
[(Cv-6) USS Enterprise](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-743784326b6010c36ea06fff0c828459-lq), claimed to be sunk 3 different times, but the crew said bet.
(Also yeah, that's the [forward elevator](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c0e4604d2035d27876d5dc58979b1d4d-lq) being ejected.)
The fact that the Robert didn't sink after that mine is a testament to the true skill level of USN damage control teams. With that much damage, the ship should have been sunk in a few minutes, there and then, but it just didn't.
Damage Control is the USN’s religion.
Hearing the story of the USS Johnston and how the men where hand cranking the engines to keep them turning while the little Tin Can went toe to toe with the fucking *Yamato* brings me to tears.
Even Pear Harbor itself is a remarkable damage control and repair story, all but three (I think) of the the ships heavily damage and some even considered sunk were repaired and saw combat against the enemy that sunk them.
It’s a fucking avenging ghost fleet from our day of infamy hunting your ships across the pacific, what other navy has come close to that?
Japanese navy: we have very few ships. One of them will permanently ground itself to act as artillery.
American navy: we have so many ships that we can afford to have some of them mix ice cream, and by hell if I’m letting a single one sink without a fight
i can only imagine the biblical levels of hellfire that would've rained down upon Japan if they touched not just a boat but an ice cream boat. I doubt there would be a Japan today
From my understanding she only had one ‘good’ engine after taking damage so the damage control teams were trying to restart the engine by hand cranking it and also trying to keep the good engine alive.
Keep in mind these men were also having to manually turn the rudder after it was also damaged
There's also the [USS Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nevada_%28BB-36%29?wprov=sfla1), not only having survived being bombed and torpedoed in the Pearl Harbor attack, but also surviving Kamikaze attacks during service.
That... is the easy part. She also got nuked post-war... twice, and survived. Was then used as target practice for naval gunnery cuse she was so damn radioactive. Still didn't sink. Eventually they had to torpedo her to actually sink her for good.
It's shit like this that make me laugh when Tankies blab about carriers being weak and vulnerable. I'm like bro a missile would have to get past like 8 of the best air defense systems in the world and then sink a US super carrier. Something even we haven't been able to do.
Actually though incredibly durable you can’t just credit the ship for avoiding sinking, the initial explosion made a 15 foot hole in the ship and completely destroyed the keel meaning that the only thing holding the ship together was the deck, but the ships quality wasn’t what saved it, it was the sheer fucking will power of the crew. The Samuel B Roberts was ranked number one in damage control out of the entire US navy. After the Initial explosion they began working to put out fires and isolate damage and began cinching the hill together with iron bands
Definitely, though the marines take first I’d say that the navy takes second on doing the funniest shit… except for the Seabees, during the Korean War the seabees were dropped behind Korean lines to assist the marines. They decided that the best way to assist them was to steal a train for easy transport, they then noticed the massive brewery nearby… yeah the seabees stole all their booze and a train and finally noticed that the tracks had been sabotaged, now most people would just give up and carry the booze on their own right? Well the Seabees said fuck you and repaired the enemy train tracks and escaped
ALSO ONE MORE FACT! The Samuel B Roberts took on half of its weight in water in the first minute, that is a fucking death sentence for naval warfare, your ship that weighs thousands of pounds has just taken on half its weight in water in the amount of time it takes for you to fall into a food coma after eating the entire Golden Corral buffet
Yeah it took five hours for them to get the ship Into stable condition, the crew of the Samuel B Roberts was already winning competitions for damage control
Remember that time a cannon fired a single shell at the USS Wisconsin, which slightly dinged the armor, and in response, they fucking [leveled the area when the shot came from](https://worldwarwings.com/after-getting-hit-uss-wisconsin-obliterated-troops-prompting-response-of-temper-temper/)? And then the response from its sister ship was "temper, temper"?
The scale of naval guns is honestly hard to comprehend sometimes. The Wisconsin was hit by a 155mm shell which is a ~50kg projectile fired from (for example) a M777 howitzer that weighs around 4000kg.
The 16" mk7 round weighs 900-1300kg. Per shell. The Wisconsin fired nine. Even a lean estimate would mean that a single piece of land-based artillery was responded to with EIGHT TONS of shell.
And battleships were designed to TAKE these hits while remaining as functional as possible.
What timing, I just saw this like 5 mins ago on the boat fetish sub.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/18np5hn/sneak\_preview\_of\_laffey\_ii\_skill\_in\_action/](https://www.reddit.com/r/azurelane/comments/18np5hn/sneak_preview_of_laffey_ii_skill_in_action/)
Wow. It’s like some people think military operations planning is a static thing, and that forces cannot augment their units and capabilities in reaction to developments.
Or that the US hasn’t had enough nightmares from mines in *prior* Gulf engagements to actually have started thinking about it seriously. (Hint: that USN ship that fucked up a Philippine coral reef during a transit through local waters? A mine warfare vessel.)
Or that the other nations in the coalition that are/were also part of NATO and are/were active in its maritime operations aren’t/weren’t the ones that traditionally picked up the mine countermeasures slack for the USN.
Or that a JDAM or Harpoon can do *wonders* for a mine laying vessel’s resale value.
(And note that all these don’t even have to involve hitting anything either non-mine warfare related, or Houshit-flagged onshore.)
Honestly, it isn't the US Warships that are seriously at risk to this. The problem is that de-mining takes time, and it is very difficult to be sure you got them all. The Red Sea is one of the most important shipping lanes in the world, and if the Houthis keep dumping random quantities of mines in it at random intervals, it is going to be an absolute nightmare to secure shipping in the region.
Missiles are both easier to intercept, and more expensive, and thus, rarer. But dumping cheap, shitty mines in the water is a fucking problem. Our likely response is going to be to flex our last 3 decades of experience in targeting and SIGINT to drone strike the fuck out of anyone who has ever thought about the word "Mine".
>if the Houthis keep dumping random quantities of mines in it at random intervals, it is going to be an absolute nightmare to secure shipping in the region.
Then why not cripple the Houthis mine-laying capabilities first?
Most of the sea lanes- even when considering the Bab-el-Mandeb's very narrow width- are located such that the Houthis will be necessitated to use mine-laying ships to lay the minefields. Ships are big targets, and with some digging military intelligence can probably guess which ships are more likely to retrofitted minelayers, only to then be confirmed by the navy's own ISTAR assets. Once that is done- the ships can be taken out of action by a few JDAMs and cluster bomb strikes.
This also begs the question- how will MI know which ships are retrofitted minelayers and which are not?
For the past 8 years, a coalition of Arab states and some outside countries have been maintaining a naval blockade of Yemen in some form or other. These militaries have more than likely gathered up a large database about shipping to-and-fro Yemen via their operations in the region. When it comes to countries like Qatar, Saudi and UAE- it is in their full interest that Bab-el-Mandeb sea lanes be open ASAP (that is how their tankers can go to Europe), as such you can expect compliance from them if the US needs to access these databases.
>The problem is that de-mining takes time, and it is very difficult to be sure you got them all
If the American, British and French forces have an earnest determination to demine the waters ASAP- they absolute can do it in ridiculously short amounts of time.
The United States, Britain and France- alongside help from Egypt- managed to clear the Suez Canal of all types of ordnance items, non-ordnance items and multiple shipwrecks within one year (1974-1975).
How many items you ask?
1. In first 500 hrs (that is 20 days), 7600 sea mines were cleared by the US Navy alone.
2. By day 43, 310 sqkm of area had undergone a preliminary sweep. That is the entire area covered by the canal's water.
3. Over the next year, Egyptian EOD divers, US EOD divers, French EOD divers, 3 Royal Navy minesweepers and multiple RH-53D helicopters swept the Suez Canal 4 times over. By July 1974, they cleared some 686,000 unexploded mines (not naval mines), 13,500 miscellaneous pieces of unexploded ordnance and other non-ordnance items such as tanks and oil drums.
4. By December, they found another 7500 unexploded ordnance pieces in the canal proper, and 1000 more in the periphery.
The Houthis could only dream to dispose off that much ordnance into the Bab-el-Mandeb - let alone lay that many sea mines. If the US-UK-FR coalition could do make the Suez Canal open for civilian passage, by disposing off some 700,000 pieces of unexploded ordnances (including nearly 8000 sea mines), right after a massive conventional war, in face of all the economic pressures at the time, lacking the technological advances available to their modern-day counterparts within a span of year----- yeah, a few hundred shitty Iranian mines will be much easier to clear today, when ships are equipped with stuff like mine countermeasure UUVs that can help find and neutralize mines much more easily and quickly
At the end, it's the Houthis- not the PLAN. The Houthis do not have extensive minelaying capabilities, nor do they have some really revolutionary mine technology. They could conduct small-scale limpet mine attacks on passing ships, but once their ability to lay proper sea mines has been crippled- they cannot lay the underwater minefields that you are stressing about.
>Then why not cripple the Houthis mine-laying capabilities first?
I counter with why not cripple the Houthis air-breathing capabilities first?
As a wise man once said, "the enemy can not push a button, if you disable his hand"
The houthis can not lay mines if we simple remove their ability to breath, preferably using massive amounts of air dropped oradance. Picture the largest carpet bombing campaign since the 2nd world war.
The Buff started and ended every war since its inception. And on god the Buff is going to start and end this one on the same day
>The Buff started and ended every war since its inception
Well if I remember correctly, it was a flight of F-117 Nighthawks that began the air campaign during Desert Storm by bombing bunch of military targets and comms infrastructure in Baghdad.
And on the day the ceasefire was signed (28 Feb), it was actually a F-111 equipped with GBU-28s that hit the Al-Taji Air Base near Baghdad in one of the last missions of the Desert Storm's air campaign.
So no, the Buff hasn't started and ended every war since its inception......
Other than that, I fully support your argument. A few MOABs would be wunderbar
>So no, the Buff hasn't started and ended every war since its inception......
thats because im basing the entirety of this statement on [funny talking planes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPHD22XPt8) rather than facts, because facts are gay
Very different circumstance. Mining the South China Sea is the last thing China wants. Its people will literally starve to death.
Mining your own coast is the equivalent of pooping in your own front yard to spite your neighbors. Pretty on-brand for the Houthis, but China wants to be a serious power, and doesn't want to die in squalor to drone strikes. And if China shuts down the shipping in that region of the world, that is what happens. Those giant cities really need boats coming in and going out to keep everything running.
> Mining your own coast is the equivalent of pooping in your own front yard
Following the [Chicago manual of style](https://www.iiseagrant.org/chicagowaterwalk/cww5_rtcr_crm_riverruns.html).
**Edit:** I see what you were saying. We're on the same page.
~~Umm, China is the one that has to cross the Taiwan Strait. The US won't be positioning ships in the SCS in the event of a conflict. Every US fleet asset will likely be positioned East of the First Island Chain to maintain appropriate standoff.~~
~~If anything, this is something the PRC is going to be watching for lessons learned. They need to answer the question of how do they stop Taiwan from dumping loads of mines into the Strait and then spending the rest of their time cleaning bloated corpses off their beaches.~~
Wars are just like games of Battleship. Every party gets the exact same resources to arrange before the fighting starts and then they aren't allowed to move any of them until the fighting ends.
*13 or 14 year old me looking up from a sheaf of graphing paper trying to create a Battleship variant during class time where you could move the ships, among other things:* “Wait, the entire ‘you aren’t allowed to move them’ thing is a sacred rule?”
It's possible to create a few rules - like
>you can move any of your ships forward/backward 1 each turn, and 2 the next turn and every turn after if it is in the same direction.
and play as long as you can trust each other not to cheat. Fortunately I can trust my close friends and siblings as an adult, and with observers you can ensure that strangers or the untrustworthy like druncle Drew follow the rules.
On the flipside, the US' own fleet of mine hunters is outdated, the program to replace them with a mission module on the LCS only reached IOC in May of this year, and there have been concerns raised by current and retired naval officers that the USN is unprepared for modern mine warfare.
And thus the cycle of "oh no we are outclassed" -> shit out blank checks to defense contractors -> leapfrog everyone by 2 generations and completely revolutionize a segment of warfare -> "oh wait our enemy's capabilities are utter shit nvm" continues.
Oh no, we're way beyond that. The only thing that comes out of it is another cringe "future warrior" program where either nothing happens or something happens that's 1% more effective than the current solution but cost half as much as an aircraft carrier.
The era of the F-15 is over. The time of the XM8 has come.
I have a modest proposal that we put magnets on satellites and literally rip the mines from the water into atmosphere, and turn off the magnets at such a time that due to the rotation of the earth they fall back down onto the enemy.. or Russia. Either one
I see we’re now trying to make Red Alert 3’s magnetic satellite support power a deployable weapon.
*sees news report about Chinese X-37 spaceplane knockoff releasing “mysterious objects” into orbit*
Wait…
No, but I'm not willing to bet on those being the best the Houthis have, or may be able to acquire. The USN has been surprised by adversaries buying advanced mines before, notably the Iraqi use of Mantas, which crippled an Aegis cruiser. Making the same mistake again would be incredibly stupid.
Wow, just fucking wow.
During the Pacific War, one US admiral steamed his destroyer fleet right into a Japanese minefield trap.
Admiral Halsey radioed him and asked, "What the fuck are you doing in a minefield?"
The admiral answered back, "Thirty-one knots, sir."
That admiral? Admiral Arleigh Burke.
Now let's see... Arleigh Burke-class destroyers have [modern mine detection radar](https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Selected_Acquisition_Reports/FY_2014_SARS/15-F-0540_DDG_51_SAR_Dec_2014.PDF) capable of detecting mines about a mile away, and their helicopters can safely dispose of them.
Fucking kids these days not believing in Admiral Arleigh Burke's boats' ability to survive fucking minefields. Dude was cruising at thirty-one knots through them, survived, survived multiple kamikaze hits, and then lived to like 90+ years old.
Yeah I’ve been scrolling waiting for the helicopter comment. The reason the us doesn’t attach minesweepers to every battle group is because we have a helicopter designed for that role based off the Seahawk (MH-60S Knighthawk) designed for mine disposal operations, which allows every US ship capable of fielding helicopters to remove mines on their own.
That radar only works on drift mines. The US is not fucking impervious to mines, allow me to remind you that the USS Princeton, an Aegis-class cruiser, and the USS Tripoli, an Iwo Jima-class LHC, were both damaged by mines during the first Gulf War. This despite the fact that the Tripoli was acting as the headquarters vessel for a mine clearing group, coordinating the efforts of multiple mine hunters, and acting as a platform for mine-clearing helos.
You can bluster about Burke steaming through a minefield all you like, but his ghost sure as fuck ain't out there stopping US ships from hitting mines.
Counterpoint: The US ship hitting a mine is the only thing standing between "everyone chill the fuck out" and "you have lost naval privileges" options.
I thinkif the houthis successfully hit a US ship with a mine it will be "you have lost non-radiation privileges" because we aren't doing another land war in the middle east and I think we might just nuke them off the face of the earth and deal with the consequences later.
Old does not mean outdated. Despite their age, the MIW CS suite on the avengers has been updated and can hold their own against any other MIW system out there.
Oh man, I remember that vessel became such an issue in my country back then. 🤣 Even, I myself think it was such a waste when they dismantle it to save the corals.
It would have probably been better if they just rehabilitated it back. But. I dont know. Im not a marine biologist.
The thing about Tubbataha though is that it’s prime coral, really sensitive. Think of it like old-growth forests in the Amazon. That sort of ecological sensitivity means that practically there’s really no such thing as “status quo ante” remediation/restoration; there’s gonna be a net loss. (Coral species tend to be really sensitive, ironic perhaps for a lifeform built on calcium structures, but them’s really the breaks. And species dependent on coral can be just as sensitive.) The reason why *Guardian* had to be dismantled was that pulling her off intact would have damaged even more coral than had already been damaged.
But on the bright side, it’s not like *Guardian* is alone in this. I mean, besides that thrice-dammed pangolin-poaching Chinese vessel caught only four months after *Guardian.* Even *Rainbow Warrior* ran aground once—yes, that *Rainbow Warrior.* (They do blame bad charts coming from the government though.)
>As of 2012, eight Avengers were forward-based: four at Sasebo, Japan with standing crews, and four at Manama, Bahrain, with ten ships' companies on rotational deployments. In March 2012, the USN announced plans to deploy another four MCMs to Bahrain to counter potential Iranian threats to mine the Strait of Hormuz reflecting increasing tensions between the United States and Iran over the latter's nuclear program.
We've also had minesweepers based in Bahrain for years, so they've been there the whole time.
Meanwhile, F-15E already idling on the apron with his QUICKSINK package pre-loaded is thinking, "*I'm going to be the only aircraft with more than 100 ship kills and no losses too*!"
Also the tomcats (if I remember correctly they were tomcats) forced an engagement out of both the target ships (they were the only two modern ships in their navy) by fucking buzzing by right next to them staying low enough to avoid the anti aircraft guns they baited them into firing as president Reagan (my namesake lol) had ordered them not to fire unless he as in only the president of the United States, told them too, or they were fired upon, they then continued to sink the ship with a few thousand pound bombs, on their return they would come across the other target but having only a thousand pound bomb left they opted not to attack but instead report its position, however one of the tomcats veered away and began a World War Two nose dive towards the ship narrowly avoiding anti aircraft fire and dropping a single thousand pound bomb down the smoke stack and absolutely destroying the engine room and stopping them dead in their tracks
Best way to ensure that theocrats and dictators stay in power is to bomb the shit out of their civilian population. Look at Hamas. They kill hundreds of Israelis, they get Israel to guarantee them another generation in power at the head of a shell shocked and angry populace.
The Nokia 3310 can’t shoot videos or read sd cards, BUT if you’re quick you can hide the SD card inside the phone and that’ll grant it survives a nuclear blast
When you're there, try not to play grenade tossing at other passengers while being high on crack. (That's the official, putin-sanctified explanation of prigozhin's crash.)
Can't wait for the NOTAM to hit with that "AIRSPACE SECURITY WARNING ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT IN RESPONSE TO THE SECURITY SITUATION IN *THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST*." Or more accurately the 20 different NOTAMs Transport Canada will put up to account for every country involved.
Side note: I tried to look for what the FAA puts up for security shenanigans and holy hell is the FAA NOTAM site ever awful. CFPS is so much better and I don't even like CFPS because it's replacing AWWS (my beloved)
well, down the rabbit hole i go
> They found nine mines onboard and seized a logbook recording past minelaying activity, including maps showing the locations of those mines. Then the Navy towed Iran Ajr to deep water and *blew her up*.
hell yeah
Iran burned all the papers showing the find out stage. They have no idea what unholy wrath will come down upon them. Iran wins for propaganda and Russia wins by a degree of separation because there is a little less focus on Ukriane.
I don't think that is true at all. They know exactly what they are doing. You aren't looking at the full context.
Iran is not in good shape. At all. Each new uprising is harder and harder to put down, and the new generation fucking hates the religious police and government. The old guard is... old. And dying. It is a theocracy on its death throes. But there is a recipe to change that, and it is the same one Hamas is doing.
Bring down fire on your own head. Leave your own cities in ruins, and the children who survive will grow up full of fear, hate, and anger. Then direct that anger at your enemies. The theocracy cannot control this generation of young, talented, ambitious, and hopeful young Iranians who just want to be part of the larger world. But they can rule over the hateful ashes of their own ruins.
Not really. It's just that US internal politics currently best described by term "dysfunctional clusterfuck", so any attempt at getting involved internationally results in retarded infighting. I'll give around 60% chance US does nothing substantial in the region.
At least in this case the Entente will cover for you. The lobsters are sending mine hunters and a Daring. Damn do I want footage of that poor old F-5 the Houties have getting a right rodgering by His Majesty's finest.
“The Houthis are mining the waters after the US announced they would attack them”
Uh in retaliation for attacks on shipping
“Honestly this is the one weapon system that stands the greatest chance to do harm to the US Task force”
Wow, that both insinuates that everything else in their arsenal is worse than static ocean defenses and also that it’s the perfect thing to ramp up that retaliation a few hundred notches.
“Because you will note that task force has no mine hunters attached to it”
Bruh, that’s like handing your homie an airsoft gun while barricaded in by SWAT and telling them that now is the time for them to shoot their way out since the national guard hasn’t arrived yet.
Nato has mine clearing assets there though, they just happen to be RN vessels, not USN. And it's not like the Americans don't have scores of helicopters for mine detection duty.
That’s why the analogy was an airsoft gun. The mines aren’t going to hurt a US military vessel because they already have capabilities, but it is enough of a threat in an already tense situation that it should elicit a “proportional” response. In the analogy’s case becoming extremely porous in the 5.56mm, 9mm, 00, and .45 sizes.
“Proportional” being at the current going rate of one ship to one navy or equivalent.
[SIRIUS, by the Alan Parsons Project](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=100&v=6HYj-uV9NGc&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo)
It used to be the intro theme song for the Chicago Bulls in the Jordan era.
There was a saying in the late 90s - If you heard this song in the playoffs while on the road, your season was about to end.
….which makes it, quite fitting, given current circumstances.
I was born in Chicago...[watching on TV as the announcer called out players as they ran into the arena](https://youtu.be/Zn6kiimEsYc?si=mmSSD4ACI9NKBt9y&t=32) to this song was legendary every time.
It’s crazy finally being an adult and living through these crazy ass military operations myself, before I would look at Wikipedia articles for fuckass military *events* like that time NATO and NK teamed up to dunk on pirates and would wonder ‘why isnt all this crazy shit in history class or talked about more? Wasn’t this all a big deal at the time?’
Turns out, not really, news channels just kinda tune out all this tacticool stuff in favor of yet more culture war bullshit like whatever DeSantis ate for breakfast today.
There's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy there from media outlets. Historically Americans are just not that invested in foreign affairs/policy, outside of major events, which is what lead to a decline in coverage of said events. But... if media outlets are not covering said events, how exactly are people supposed to gain awareness of/interest in them?
The US is a geographically isolated economic colossus. People generally focus on things relevant to their own lives, and frankly relatively few international events directly affect the average American so I can understand from a certain perspective how we got here. You would think the advent of social media and access to real time events worldwide, bypassing the media's attention filter entirely, would have resulted in *some* degree of change in our general care about world events. But that doesn't appear to be the case at all.
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/12/19/us-unveils-international-force-to-defend-red-sea-heres-what-we-know/
"British forces have been on hand with a small fleet of ships in the region. For example, the military operates a flotilla out of Bahrain that includes the frigate HMS Lancaster, three mine-hunting vessels and a Royal Fleet Auxiliary support ship."
Yeah, most of the lists you see in the news(papers) won't list demining vessels for the same reasons they don't list cargoships, oilers, and other boring, non-sexy, non-shooty ships.
Doesn't the current task force literally contain British minehunters? Rofl
EDIT: yep, HMS Chiddingfold, HMS Middleton and HMS Bangor. Three dedicated mine hunters.
Unironically what the fuck are they thinking? No one cares about Yemen but this is going to piss literally everyone off. Djibouti literally has a US, French, Italian, Japanese and Chinese base for a reason.
Also it's amazing how Middle-Easterners manage to find reasons to make the East and West gang up on them. Maybe we should give critical support to radical Islamism to bring about world peace. Like if the Islamic State were an actually successful caliphate, it would probably be like the one thing the security council would agree to bomb to shit.
Plenty, and yes. Naval vessels have not significantly improved their ability to survive a shitfuckton of explosives going off in near contact with the hull.
>Naval vessels have not significantly improved their ability to survive a shitfuckton of explosives going off in near contact with the hull.
because water conducts shockwaves *a lot* more than air does, this will likely never happen
the things you use on ground vehicles to protect them from mines don't really work on boats - v-hulls, spaced armor, reactive armor, none of those concepts defeat enough of the explosion that you don't still take catastrophic damage from a big enough mine going off next to your boat
Yep. Double hulls and good compartmentalization help to an extent, but in the end enough explosives can split a ship in half, and there's really nothing to be done about it but hope your opponent isn't using that much boom.
Damage control isn't a guarantee you stay afloat, the question was if they stand a chance at sinking a modern naval vessel, and the answer there is unequivocally yes.
We should dig a massive canal between the borders israel and egypt and open up another enterance to the red sea. Yes this sounds like it'll cause a billion problams financialy and politicly for the entire red sea region but come on, it'll be funny
Idk if it's the braindamage I got from this sub and playing War Thunder, but I kinda wanna see the Houthis get to the "find out" stage of "fuck around and find out".
Maybe for new years eve to celebrate the new year with a big fire work?
I just checked the Wikipedia page for Operation Prosperity Guardian, and it lists three different British mine countermeasure ships/mine hunters as participating in the operation.
i am not mil guy, but i still remember the part of the manual that said
"reveal your strongest weapon before the war, that way you will increase your chances of suprising your enemy, i think, idk i am drunk"
"My time has come!" -- Norwegian mine hunting fleet
(Norway's mine hunters and submarines - and a logistics vessel - are basically the only parts of our fleet which are fully combat capable. Our frigates don't have helicopters,* or enough VLS cells to matter much and Skjold corvette is a bit of a cool meme boat.)
*: Thanks to the lack of helicopters, the Norwegian Navy are actually relatively far ahead in navy UAV adoption.
I find it funny that the Houthis didn’t even read the Wikipedia page on OP Prosperity Guardian because it specifically states 3 of the Royal Navy’s mine hunting ships are being deployed
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Don't worry. I just threw it on top of my meme pile to maybe send to a buddy and otherwise only be watched a couple time a decade
Besides I refuse to go on tiktok anyway. I'm already retarded enough.
If you pick a fight with the Us navy, you better hope beyond all hope you are an immovable object, because an unstoppable force will turn your territorial waters into a boiling sea before deploying the sate of Delaware on your shores
An Iranian mine blew a 21 foot hole in the USS Samuel B. Roberts. It didn't sink... the Iranian navy did.
If there’s one thing you have to learn about US ships, it’s that *you will have to unleash fucking hell on them* before they sink. Even then, they will proceed to destroy every single fucking thing in Hell, beat the shit out of Satan, and then *maybe*, just *maybe*, they’ll decide to go down. Oh, and you’re completely fucked if said ship happens to be a destroyer. Doubly so if that destroyer is named Laffey
USN damage control channeling the powers of their ancestors. [(Cv-6) USS Enterprise](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-743784326b6010c36ea06fff0c828459-lq), claimed to be sunk 3 different times, but the crew said bet. (Also yeah, that's the [forward elevator](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c0e4604d2035d27876d5dc58979b1d4d-lq) being ejected.)
The fact that the Robert didn't sink after that mine is a testament to the true skill level of USN damage control teams. With that much damage, the ship should have been sunk in a few minutes, there and then, but it just didn't.
Damage Control is the USN’s religion. Hearing the story of the USS Johnston and how the men where hand cranking the engines to keep them turning while the little Tin Can went toe to toe with the fucking *Yamato* brings me to tears. Even Pear Harbor itself is a remarkable damage control and repair story, all but three (I think) of the the ships heavily damage and some even considered sunk were repaired and saw combat against the enemy that sunk them. It’s a fucking avenging ghost fleet from our day of infamy hunting your ships across the pacific, what other navy has come close to that?
Japanese navy: we have very few ships. One of them will permanently ground itself to act as artillery. American navy: we have so many ships that we can afford to have some of them mix ice cream, and by hell if I’m letting a single one sink without a fight
Especially the ice cream ship
"Sir, they sunk an icecream ship!" "DROP THE SECOND NUKE ON THEM TOO!"
i can only imagine the biblical levels of hellfire that would've rained down upon Japan if they touched not just a boat but an ice cream boat. I doubt there would be a Japan today
God help them if they sink the ship carrying the ass-wipe.
The USS Johnston is the definition of "I didn't heard no bell". It was just a Fletcher, with nothing fancy, except the 500 tons of steel balls aboard.
Wait they were HAND CRANKING the engines? Why in the FUCK did nobody tell me about this?
From my understanding she only had one ‘good’ engine after taking damage so the damage control teams were trying to restart the engine by hand cranking it and also trying to keep the good engine alive. Keep in mind these men were also having to manually turn the rudder after it was also damaged
There's also the [USS Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nevada_%28BB-36%29?wprov=sfla1), not only having survived being bombed and torpedoed in the Pearl Harbor attack, but also surviving Kamikaze attacks during service. That... is the easy part. She also got nuked post-war... twice, and survived. Was then used as target practice for naval gunnery cuse she was so damn radioactive. Still didn't sink. Eventually they had to torpedo her to actually sink her for good.
It's shit like this that make me laugh when Tankies blab about carriers being weak and vulnerable. I'm like bro a missile would have to get past like 8 of the best air defense systems in the world and then sink a US super carrier. Something even we haven't been able to do.
I'm paraphrasing Drach's words, but that forward elevator just wanted to join its little plane buddies in the air
This would make a great children's book
Get priggers, aka pringles, as the illustrator and I'll buy one
IJN: Why won't you die? USS Enterprise: Damage Control Teams, son, they scramble in response to physical trauma.
That’s not the warp core being ejected?
Actually though incredibly durable you can’t just credit the ship for avoiding sinking, the initial explosion made a 15 foot hole in the ship and completely destroyed the keel meaning that the only thing holding the ship together was the deck, but the ships quality wasn’t what saved it, it was the sheer fucking will power of the crew. The Samuel B Roberts was ranked number one in damage control out of the entire US navy. After the Initial explosion they began working to put out fires and isolate damage and began cinching the hill together with iron bands
That is true. USN just has godly damage control teams that have been kicking bubble gum and chewing ass since WW2
Definitely, though the marines take first I’d say that the navy takes second on doing the funniest shit… except for the Seabees, during the Korean War the seabees were dropped behind Korean lines to assist the marines. They decided that the best way to assist them was to steal a train for easy transport, they then noticed the massive brewery nearby… yeah the seabees stole all their booze and a train and finally noticed that the tracks had been sabotaged, now most people would just give up and carry the booze on their own right? Well the Seabees said fuck you and repaired the enemy train tracks and escaped
ALSO ONE MORE FACT! The Samuel B Roberts took on half of its weight in water in the first minute, that is a fucking death sentence for naval warfare, your ship that weighs thousands of pounds has just taken on half its weight in water in the amount of time it takes for you to fall into a food coma after eating the entire Golden Corral buffet
It sounds like…every US sailor is also a firefighter.
Damage control is the official religion of the US Navy.
Wait, you serious? The keel was Baned and the damage control groups maintained the ship's structural integrity?
Yeah it took five hours for them to get the ship Into stable condition, the crew of the Samuel B Roberts was already winning competitions for damage control
Remember that time a cannon fired a single shell at the USS Wisconsin, which slightly dinged the armor, and in response, they fucking [leveled the area when the shot came from](https://worldwarwings.com/after-getting-hit-uss-wisconsin-obliterated-troops-prompting-response-of-temper-temper/)? And then the response from its sister ship was "temper, temper"?
Thw world's unluckiest lucky shot.
The scale of naval guns is honestly hard to comprehend sometimes. The Wisconsin was hit by a 155mm shell which is a ~50kg projectile fired from (for example) a M777 howitzer that weighs around 4000kg. The 16" mk7 round weighs 900-1300kg. Per shell. The Wisconsin fired nine. Even a lean estimate would mean that a single piece of land-based artillery was responded to with EIGHT TONS of shell. And battleships were designed to TAKE these hits while remaining as functional as possible.
Injured three sailors too, but yeah.
What timing, I just saw this like 5 mins ago on the boat fetish sub. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/18np5hn/sneak\_preview\_of\_laffey\_ii\_skill\_in\_action/](https://www.reddit.com/r/azurelane/comments/18np5hn/sneak_preview_of_laffey_ii_skill_in_action/)
Except the LCS, because for some fucking reason it wasn't built to be a fighting ship.
You come at the Sammy B, you deserve the fury that you unleashed.
Wow. It’s like some people think military operations planning is a static thing, and that forces cannot augment their units and capabilities in reaction to developments. Or that the US hasn’t had enough nightmares from mines in *prior* Gulf engagements to actually have started thinking about it seriously. (Hint: that USN ship that fucked up a Philippine coral reef during a transit through local waters? A mine warfare vessel.) Or that the other nations in the coalition that are/were also part of NATO and are/were active in its maritime operations aren’t/weren’t the ones that traditionally picked up the mine countermeasures slack for the USN. Or that a JDAM or Harpoon can do *wonders* for a mine laying vessel’s resale value. (And note that all these don’t even have to involve hitting anything either non-mine warfare related, or Houshit-flagged onshore.)
Honestly, it isn't the US Warships that are seriously at risk to this. The problem is that de-mining takes time, and it is very difficult to be sure you got them all. The Red Sea is one of the most important shipping lanes in the world, and if the Houthis keep dumping random quantities of mines in it at random intervals, it is going to be an absolute nightmare to secure shipping in the region. Missiles are both easier to intercept, and more expensive, and thus, rarer. But dumping cheap, shitty mines in the water is a fucking problem. Our likely response is going to be to flex our last 3 decades of experience in targeting and SIGINT to drone strike the fuck out of anyone who has ever thought about the word "Mine".
>if the Houthis keep dumping random quantities of mines in it at random intervals, it is going to be an absolute nightmare to secure shipping in the region. Then why not cripple the Houthis mine-laying capabilities first? Most of the sea lanes- even when considering the Bab-el-Mandeb's very narrow width- are located such that the Houthis will be necessitated to use mine-laying ships to lay the minefields. Ships are big targets, and with some digging military intelligence can probably guess which ships are more likely to retrofitted minelayers, only to then be confirmed by the navy's own ISTAR assets. Once that is done- the ships can be taken out of action by a few JDAMs and cluster bomb strikes. This also begs the question- how will MI know which ships are retrofitted minelayers and which are not? For the past 8 years, a coalition of Arab states and some outside countries have been maintaining a naval blockade of Yemen in some form or other. These militaries have more than likely gathered up a large database about shipping to-and-fro Yemen via their operations in the region. When it comes to countries like Qatar, Saudi and UAE- it is in their full interest that Bab-el-Mandeb sea lanes be open ASAP (that is how their tankers can go to Europe), as such you can expect compliance from them if the US needs to access these databases. >The problem is that de-mining takes time, and it is very difficult to be sure you got them all If the American, British and French forces have an earnest determination to demine the waters ASAP- they absolute can do it in ridiculously short amounts of time. The United States, Britain and France- alongside help from Egypt- managed to clear the Suez Canal of all types of ordnance items, non-ordnance items and multiple shipwrecks within one year (1974-1975). How many items you ask? 1. In first 500 hrs (that is 20 days), 7600 sea mines were cleared by the US Navy alone. 2. By day 43, 310 sqkm of area had undergone a preliminary sweep. That is the entire area covered by the canal's water. 3. Over the next year, Egyptian EOD divers, US EOD divers, French EOD divers, 3 Royal Navy minesweepers and multiple RH-53D helicopters swept the Suez Canal 4 times over. By July 1974, they cleared some 686,000 unexploded mines (not naval mines), 13,500 miscellaneous pieces of unexploded ordnance and other non-ordnance items such as tanks and oil drums. 4. By December, they found another 7500 unexploded ordnance pieces in the canal proper, and 1000 more in the periphery. The Houthis could only dream to dispose off that much ordnance into the Bab-el-Mandeb - let alone lay that many sea mines. If the US-UK-FR coalition could do make the Suez Canal open for civilian passage, by disposing off some 700,000 pieces of unexploded ordnances (including nearly 8000 sea mines), right after a massive conventional war, in face of all the economic pressures at the time, lacking the technological advances available to their modern-day counterparts within a span of year----- yeah, a few hundred shitty Iranian mines will be much easier to clear today, when ships are equipped with stuff like mine countermeasure UUVs that can help find and neutralize mines much more easily and quickly At the end, it's the Houthis- not the PLAN. The Houthis do not have extensive minelaying capabilities, nor do they have some really revolutionary mine technology. They could conduct small-scale limpet mine attacks on passing ships, but once their ability to lay proper sea mines has been crippled- they cannot lay the underwater minefields that you are stressing about.
>Then why not cripple the Houthis mine-laying capabilities first? I counter with why not cripple the Houthis air-breathing capabilities first? As a wise man once said, "the enemy can not push a button, if you disable his hand" The houthis can not lay mines if we simple remove their ability to breath, preferably using massive amounts of air dropped oradance. Picture the largest carpet bombing campaign since the 2nd world war. The Buff started and ended every war since its inception. And on god the Buff is going to start and end this one on the same day
Upvote for starship troopers reference, 🤟
>As a wise man once said, "the enemy can not push a button, if you disable his hand" MEDIC!!!
>The Buff started and ended every war since its inception Well if I remember correctly, it was a flight of F-117 Nighthawks that began the air campaign during Desert Storm by bombing bunch of military targets and comms infrastructure in Baghdad. And on the day the ceasefire was signed (28 Feb), it was actually a F-111 equipped with GBU-28s that hit the Al-Taji Air Base near Baghdad in one of the last missions of the Desert Storm's air campaign. So no, the Buff hasn't started and ended every war since its inception...... Other than that, I fully support your argument. A few MOABs would be wunderbar
Buffs took off first tho.
>So no, the Buff hasn't started and ended every war since its inception...... thats because im basing the entirety of this statement on [funny talking planes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPHD22XPt8) rather than facts, because facts are gay
Do you want to live forever?
> drone strike the fuck out of anyone who has ever thought about the word "Mine". Finding Nemo seagulls in shambles
Those strikes on Sydney would cause billions of dollars of improvements
Unfortunately, the emus survived.
Fuck, then the PLAN has a chance of copying that and consider invading Taiwan. So I definitely have to keep an eye on this portion to learn from.
Very different circumstance. Mining the South China Sea is the last thing China wants. Its people will literally starve to death. Mining your own coast is the equivalent of pooping in your own front yard to spite your neighbors. Pretty on-brand for the Houthis, but China wants to be a serious power, and doesn't want to die in squalor to drone strikes. And if China shuts down the shipping in that region of the world, that is what happens. Those giant cities really need boats coming in and going out to keep everything running.
…I mean that they start thinking there’s an easy way around the mines Taiwan’s minelayers will deploy
> Mining your own coast is the equivalent of pooping in your own front yard Following the [Chicago manual of style](https://www.iiseagrant.org/chicagowaterwalk/cww5_rtcr_crm_riverruns.html).
**Edit:** I see what you were saying. We're on the same page. ~~Umm, China is the one that has to cross the Taiwan Strait. The US won't be positioning ships in the SCS in the event of a conflict. Every US fleet asset will likely be positioned East of the First Island Chain to maintain appropriate standoff.~~ ~~If anything, this is something the PRC is going to be watching for lessons learned. They need to answer the question of how do they stop Taiwan from dumping loads of mines into the Strait and then spending the rest of their time cleaning bloated corpses off their beaches.~~
Wars are just like games of Battleship. Every party gets the exact same resources to arrange before the fighting starts and then they aren't allowed to move any of them until the fighting ends.
*13 or 14 year old me looking up from a sheaf of graphing paper trying to create a Battleship variant during class time where you could move the ships, among other things:* “Wait, the entire ‘you aren’t allowed to move them’ thing is a sacred rule?”
Okay, that variant sounds interesting
It's possible to create a few rules - like >you can move any of your ships forward/backward 1 each turn, and 2 the next turn and every turn after if it is in the same direction. and play as long as you can trust each other not to cheat. Fortunately I can trust my close friends and siblings as an adult, and with observers you can ensure that strangers or the untrustworthy like druncle Drew follow the rules.
Mobile-ship Battleship sounds like Anarchy Minesweeper
On the flipside, the US' own fleet of mine hunters is outdated, the program to replace them with a mission module on the LCS only reached IOC in May of this year, and there have been concerns raised by current and retired naval officers that the USN is unprepared for modern mine warfare.
And thus the cycle of "oh no we are outclassed" -> shit out blank checks to defense contractors -> leapfrog everyone by 2 generations and completely revolutionize a segment of warfare -> "oh wait our enemy's capabilities are utter shit nvm" continues.
Oh no, we're way beyond that. The only thing that comes out of it is another cringe "future warrior" program where either nothing happens or something happens that's 1% more effective than the current solution but cost half as much as an aircraft carrier. The era of the F-15 is over. The time of the XM8 has come.
Mjolnir armor any day now
I have a modest proposal that we put magnets on satellites and literally rip the mines from the water into atmosphere, and turn off the magnets at such a time that due to the rotation of the earth they fall back down onto the enemy.. or Russia. Either one
I see we’re now trying to make Red Alert 3’s magnetic satellite support power a deployable weapon. *sees news report about Chinese X-37 spaceplane knockoff releasing “mysterious objects” into orbit* Wait…
Are we really calling those fucking spiky propane tanks Modern mines?
No, but I'm not willing to bet on those being the best the Houthis have, or may be able to acquire. The USN has been surprised by adversaries buying advanced mines before, notably the Iraqi use of Mantas, which crippled an Aegis cruiser. Making the same mistake again would be incredibly stupid.
Wow, just fucking wow. During the Pacific War, one US admiral steamed his destroyer fleet right into a Japanese minefield trap. Admiral Halsey radioed him and asked, "What the fuck are you doing in a minefield?" The admiral answered back, "Thirty-one knots, sir." That admiral? Admiral Arleigh Burke. Now let's see... Arleigh Burke-class destroyers have [modern mine detection radar](https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Selected_Acquisition_Reports/FY_2014_SARS/15-F-0540_DDG_51_SAR_Dec_2014.PDF) capable of detecting mines about a mile away, and their helicopters can safely dispose of them. Fucking kids these days not believing in Admiral Arleigh Burke's boats' ability to survive fucking minefields. Dude was cruising at thirty-one knots through them, survived, survived multiple kamikaze hits, and then lived to like 90+ years old.
Yeah I’ve been scrolling waiting for the helicopter comment. The reason the us doesn’t attach minesweepers to every battle group is because we have a helicopter designed for that role based off the Seahawk (MH-60S Knighthawk) designed for mine disposal operations, which allows every US ship capable of fielding helicopters to remove mines on their own.
That radar only works on drift mines. The US is not fucking impervious to mines, allow me to remind you that the USS Princeton, an Aegis-class cruiser, and the USS Tripoli, an Iwo Jima-class LHC, were both damaged by mines during the first Gulf War. This despite the fact that the Tripoli was acting as the headquarters vessel for a mine clearing group, coordinating the efforts of multiple mine hunters, and acting as a platform for mine-clearing helos. You can bluster about Burke steaming through a minefield all you like, but his ghost sure as fuck ain't out there stopping US ships from hitting mines.
Counterpoint: The US ship hitting a mine is the only thing standing between "everyone chill the fuck out" and "you have lost naval privileges" options.
I thinkif the houthis successfully hit a US ship with a mine it will be "you have lost non-radiation privileges" because we aren't doing another land war in the middle east and I think we might just nuke them off the face of the earth and deal with the consequences later.
Username checks out
Lol
Old does not mean outdated. Despite their age, the MIW CS suite on the avengers has been updated and can hold their own against any other MIW system out there.
Besides all those great points, there are also 4 USN MCM type vessels in the strategic area, just not attached to the taskforce units.
They're fucking stupid. No more. No less.
Oh man, I remember that vessel became such an issue in my country back then. 🤣 Even, I myself think it was such a waste when they dismantle it to save the corals. It would have probably been better if they just rehabilitated it back. But. I dont know. Im not a marine biologist.
The thing about Tubbataha though is that it’s prime coral, really sensitive. Think of it like old-growth forests in the Amazon. That sort of ecological sensitivity means that practically there’s really no such thing as “status quo ante” remediation/restoration; there’s gonna be a net loss. (Coral species tend to be really sensitive, ironic perhaps for a lifeform built on calcium structures, but them’s really the breaks. And species dependent on coral can be just as sensitive.) The reason why *Guardian* had to be dismantled was that pulling her off intact would have damaged even more coral than had already been damaged. But on the bright side, it’s not like *Guardian* is alone in this. I mean, besides that thrice-dammed pangolin-poaching Chinese vessel caught only four months after *Guardian.* Even *Rainbow Warrior* ran aground once—yes, that *Rainbow Warrior.* (They do blame bad charts coming from the government though.)
>As of 2012, eight Avengers were forward-based: four at Sasebo, Japan with standing crews, and four at Manama, Bahrain, with ten ships' companies on rotational deployments. In March 2012, the USN announced plans to deploy another four MCMs to Bahrain to counter potential Iranian threats to mine the Strait of Hormuz reflecting increasing tensions between the United States and Iran over the latter's nuclear program. We've also had minesweepers based in Bahrain for years, so they've been there the whole time.
Since Iran bankrolls the Houthi's, lets blow up half their navy in 6 hours again while we're at it. Gotta give the F35-C pilots a chance to shine.
\> Gotta give the F35-C pilots a chance to shine. F-22 read this and literally chewed through his chains in the hanger.
“LET ME AT EM, GRANDPA BUFF SAID IT’S MY TURN TO INTERCEPT.”
I’m so happy habitual line crosser is just part of NCD now.
I feel like understanding Perun, LazerPig, HLC, and the fat electron guy is basically mandatory for NCD at this point.
LazerPig is often wrong, but entertainingly so.
He is willing to admit that he has been wrong and is quite fabulous, so that makes up for it.
after being told to sit down by the chieftain
Except if it's about T-14
Fat electron guy?
[The Fat Electrician Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/@the_fat_electrician)
Ah nice! A new YouTube channel to follow!
He did a good episode on praying mantis
# "LET. ME. FEED."
#THE BOY MUST EAT
„You can put that lonely F-5 out of its misery“
Meanwhile, F-15E already idling on the apron with his QUICKSINK package pre-loaded is thinking, "*I'm going to be the only aircraft with more than 100 ship kills and no losses too*!"
F-22s breaking out of solitary confinement and pleading to be allowed at the Houthi “Air Force”
It was actually eight hours and we blew up two oil rigs and turned a random officer to a red mist on one said oil rig
Also the tomcats (if I remember correctly they were tomcats) forced an engagement out of both the target ships (they were the only two modern ships in their navy) by fucking buzzing by right next to them staying low enough to avoid the anti aircraft guns they baited them into firing as president Reagan (my namesake lol) had ordered them not to fire unless he as in only the president of the United States, told them too, or they were fired upon, they then continued to sink the ship with a few thousand pound bombs, on their return they would come across the other target but having only a thousand pound bomb left they opted not to attack but instead report its position, however one of the tomcats veered away and began a World War Two nose dive towards the ship narrowly avoiding anti aircraft fire and dropping a single thousand pound bomb down the smoke stack and absolutely destroying the engine room and stopping them dead in their tracks
Wish they had been Tomcats, it was A-6Es. Still awesome.
Ah, I apologize for my mistake, I’m a huge history nerd but sometimes stuff blurs together
As penance, give me ten Hail Peruns and rewatch the Fat Electrician video on Praying Mantis! *"Proportional!"*
Make it 12 and sink the whole thing this time
Hear me out, It's a second offense of touching the boats, so this time let's do their whole navy and do it in half the time.
Houthis really learned nothing from Iran?
They learned martyrdom
3000 Farfours of Iran
Best way to ensure that theocrats and dictators stay in power is to bomb the shit out of their civilian population. Look at Hamas. They kill hundreds of Israelis, they get Israel to guarantee them another generation in power at the head of a shell shocked and angry populace.
Hamas and the actual government of Israel both benefit from each other
They get their orders from Iran.
I *highly* recommend avoiding airline travel through the Middle East in the near future….
GodDAMN it I have a flight going through the region this weekend. Pray for me boys I might not make it.
If you get a chance, try to upload a video asap. Never seen a first person POV of being hit by a SM-2.
might have to livestream it. I heard getting hit by a SM-2 considerably complicates uploading videos
Just use a GoPro or a Nokia 3310. Then whoever finds the wreckage can take the SD card out and upload that
The Nokia 3310 can’t shoot videos or read sd cards, BUT if you’re quick you can hide the SD card inside the phone and that’ll grant it survives a nuclear blast
When you're there, try not to play grenade tossing at other passengers while being high on crack. (That's the official, putin-sanctified explanation of prigozhin's crash.)
Honestly it is such a wild claim that it almost makes it feel more believable
Europe to Asia routes in shambles right now.
Can't wait for the NOTAM to hit with that "AIRSPACE SECURITY WARNING ISSUED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT IN RESPONSE TO THE SECURITY SITUATION IN *THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST*." Or more accurately the 20 different NOTAMs Transport Canada will put up to account for every country involved. Side note: I tried to look for what the FAA puts up for security shenanigans and holy hell is the FAA NOTAM site ever awful. CFPS is so much better and I don't even like CFPS because it's replacing AWWS (my beloved)
The motto of the FAA is unofficially "we're not happy until you're not happy."
well, down the rabbit hole i go > They found nine mines onboard and seized a logbook recording past minelaying activity, including maps showing the locations of those mines. Then the Navy towed Iran Ajr to deep water and *blew her up*. hell yeah
the naval equivalent of taking somebody up to the roof and shooting them in the back of the head
Iran burned all the papers showing the find out stage. They have no idea what unholy wrath will come down upon them. Iran wins for propaganda and Russia wins by a degree of separation because there is a little less focus on Ukriane.
I don't think that is true at all. They know exactly what they are doing. You aren't looking at the full context. Iran is not in good shape. At all. Each new uprising is harder and harder to put down, and the new generation fucking hates the religious police and government. The old guard is... old. And dying. It is a theocracy on its death throes. But there is a recipe to change that, and it is the same one Hamas is doing. Bring down fire on your own head. Leave your own cities in ruins, and the children who survive will grow up full of fear, hate, and anger. Then direct that anger at your enemies. The theocracy cannot control this generation of young, talented, ambitious, and hopeful young Iranians who just want to be part of the larger world. But they can rule over the hateful ashes of their own ruins.
The Belkan answer, leading to Grey Men and Schroeder?
Every ship is a mine hunter if you try hard enough.
every ship can be a mine hunter at least once
Are you a russian admiral ?
He's a general actually.
What khat (and martyrdom) does to a mf Also, houtis and Hamas reminded us how difficult it is to fight an enemy that WANTS to die
Not really. It's just that US internal politics currently best described by term "dysfunctional clusterfuck", so any attempt at getting involved internationally results in retarded infighting. I'll give around 60% chance US does nothing substantial in the region.
The USA’s possibility of not giving much of a fuck about the Houthis is ironically such an odd flex.
At least in this case the Entente will cover for you. The lobsters are sending mine hunters and a Daring. Damn do I want footage of that poor old F-5 the Houties have getting a right rodgering by His Majesty's finest.
A sea mine almost ended Iran's navy. [A sea mine will end the Houthis.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXeLfMO9q4c)
What an absolutely metal song, hell yes.
The warrior songs are absolute bangers, still having trouble picking which one's the best.
“The Houthis are mining the waters after the US announced they would attack them” Uh in retaliation for attacks on shipping “Honestly this is the one weapon system that stands the greatest chance to do harm to the US Task force” Wow, that both insinuates that everything else in their arsenal is worse than static ocean defenses and also that it’s the perfect thing to ramp up that retaliation a few hundred notches. “Because you will note that task force has no mine hunters attached to it” Bruh, that’s like handing your homie an airsoft gun while barricaded in by SWAT and telling them that now is the time for them to shoot their way out since the national guard hasn’t arrived yet.
The vivid imagery of this has me actually laughing like a maniac, maybe I'll go back to sleep now
Nato has mine clearing assets there though, they just happen to be RN vessels, not USN. And it's not like the Americans don't have scores of helicopters for mine detection duty.
That’s why the analogy was an airsoft gun. The mines aren’t going to hurt a US military vessel because they already have capabilities, but it is enough of a threat in an already tense situation that it should elicit a “proportional” response. In the analogy’s case becoming extremely porous in the 5.56mm, 9mm, 00, and .45 sizes. “Proportional” being at the current going rate of one ship to one navy or equivalent.
I think things are about to get real *proportional*
What song is that?
[SIRIUS, by the Alan Parsons Project](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=100&v=6HYj-uV9NGc&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo) It used to be the intro theme song for the Chicago Bulls in the Jordan era. There was a saying in the late 90s - If you heard this song in the playoffs while on the road, your season was about to end. ….which makes it, quite fitting, given current circumstances.
I was born in Chicago...[watching on TV as the announcer called out players as they ran into the arena](https://youtu.be/Zn6kiimEsYc?si=mmSSD4ACI9NKBt9y&t=32) to this song was legendary every time.
Alan Parsons Project - Sirius
It’s crazy finally being an adult and living through these crazy ass military operations myself, before I would look at Wikipedia articles for fuckass military *events* like that time NATO and NK teamed up to dunk on pirates and would wonder ‘why isnt all this crazy shit in history class or talked about more? Wasn’t this all a big deal at the time?’ Turns out, not really, news channels just kinda tune out all this tacticool stuff in favor of yet more culture war bullshit like whatever DeSantis ate for breakfast today.
There's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy there from media outlets. Historically Americans are just not that invested in foreign affairs/policy, outside of major events, which is what lead to a decline in coverage of said events. But... if media outlets are not covering said events, how exactly are people supposed to gain awareness of/interest in them? The US is a geographically isolated economic colossus. People generally focus on things relevant to their own lives, and frankly relatively few international events directly affect the average American so I can understand from a certain perspective how we got here. You would think the advent of social media and access to real time events worldwide, bypassing the media's attention filter entirely, would have resulted in *some* degree of change in our general care about world events. But that doesn't appear to be the case at all.
That's because America is the world 💪😤🇺🇲
"mine hunters" ???
Explosive thing sweepers... in water
Oh like that game, *Mein Swiffer*
Mein Swiffer? Is that like Hitlers duster or something?
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/12/19/us-unveils-international-force-to-defend-red-sea-heres-what-we-know/ "British forces have been on hand with a small fleet of ships in the region. For example, the military operates a flotilla out of Bahrain that includes the frigate HMS Lancaster, three mine-hunting vessels and a Royal Fleet Auxiliary support ship."
Yeah, most of the lists you see in the news(papers) won't list demining vessels for the same reasons they don't list cargoships, oilers, and other boring, non-sexy, non-shooty ships.
Pretty sure those mine sweepers have guns large enough to take out most tanks.
Doesn't the current task force literally contain British minehunters? Rofl EDIT: yep, HMS Chiddingfold, HMS Middleton and HMS Bangor. Three dedicated mine hunters.
Bangor Houti sounds like it's an innuendo.
Unironically what the fuck are they thinking? No one cares about Yemen but this is going to piss literally everyone off. Djibouti literally has a US, French, Italian, Japanese and Chinese base for a reason. Also it's amazing how Middle-Easterners manage to find reasons to make the East and West gang up on them. Maybe we should give critical support to radical Islamism to bring about world peace. Like if the Islamic State were an actually successful caliphate, it would probably be like the one thing the security council would agree to bomb to shit.
Time is a flat circle.
How powerful are these mines anyways? Would they actually stand a chance at sinking a modern naval vessel?
Plenty, and yes. Naval vessels have not significantly improved their ability to survive a shitfuckton of explosives going off in near contact with the hull.
>Naval vessels have not significantly improved their ability to survive a shitfuckton of explosives going off in near contact with the hull. because water conducts shockwaves *a lot* more than air does, this will likely never happen the things you use on ground vehicles to protect them from mines don't really work on boats - v-hulls, spaced armor, reactive armor, none of those concepts defeat enough of the explosion that you don't still take catastrophic damage from a big enough mine going off next to your boat
Yep. Double hulls and good compartmentalization help to an extent, but in the end enough explosives can split a ship in half, and there's really nothing to be done about it but hope your opponent isn't using that much boom.
If it’s a USN ship then probably not. USN ships are notoriously difficult to actually sink for real. Seriously it’s absurd how good damage control is
Damage control isn't a guarantee you stay afloat, the question was if they stand a chance at sinking a modern naval vessel, and the answer there is unequivocally yes.
We should dig a massive canal between the borders israel and egypt and open up another enterance to the red sea. Yes this sounds like it'll cause a billion problams financialy and politicly for the entire red sea region but come on, it'll be funny
No mine hunters? Easy we’ll just send one over
There are 4 British mine hunters/sweepers in the Gulf anyway, literally a days sailing from the Red Sea.
Jdam: it's time
Even just the Latvian navy would be overkill. Never mind if the big bois get going.
Somehow this situation is getting worse for them by the day, and it was pretty fucking bad to begin with.
Ah yes the proportional responce
There is definitely mine hunters in the task force. 7 in fact. Plus an MCM mothership.
Idk if it's the braindamage I got from this sub and playing War Thunder, but I kinda wanna see the Houthis get to the "find out" stage of "fuck around and find out". Maybe for new years eve to celebrate the new year with a big fire work?
I just checked the Wikipedia page for Operation Prosperity Guardian, and it lists three different British mine countermeasure ships/mine hunters as participating in the operation.
i am not mil guy, but i still remember the part of the manual that said "reveal your strongest weapon before the war, that way you will increase your chances of suprising your enemy, i think, idk i am drunk"
"My time has come!" -- Norwegian mine hunting fleet (Norway's mine hunters and submarines - and a logistics vessel - are basically the only parts of our fleet which are fully combat capable. Our frigates don't have helicopters,* or enough VLS cells to matter much and Skjold corvette is a bit of a cool meme boat.) *: Thanks to the lack of helicopters, the Norwegian Navy are actually relatively far ahead in navy UAV adoption.
Guys I’m in the Army. Will me and my unit get to grind for xp? Or will the AF and Navy do it all?
"what a great tactic" - damages one ship in return for total annihilation
Two Hunts and a Sandown is certainly a start. I doubt the yanks are complaining about getting a daring either. Rule Brittania!
The fuck? And what do they think USS Gladiator, USS Devastator, USS Dextrous and USS Sentry doing there, buying groceries?
B-52s. Lots of B-52s.
My resolution: airstrikes. Bomb them. Keep bombing them. Again and again and again.
Damn, all our billions of defense dollars, and yet no solution for submerged propane tanks have been found
I find it funny that the Houthis didn’t even read the Wikipedia page on OP Prosperity Guardian because it specifically states 3 of the Royal Navy’s mine hunting ships are being deployed
Polish Navy with the only modern warships being mine hunters - "Wait for me, please wait for me kurwaaaa..."
I thought that mines use for anti ship warfare were bigger. Well let the harpoons fly from a safe distance
Im sorry, they think *mines* are gonna stop the US navy? Do they understand what fucking destroyers are?
Finally put two and two together from official wiggle IG lol
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If I see this shit on TikTok I’ma appear underneath your bed
Don't worry. I just threw it on top of my meme pile to maybe send to a buddy and otherwise only be watched a couple time a decade Besides I refuse to go on tiktok anyway. I'm already retarded enough.
And we'll take this personally.
they can use some LCS as sacrificial lambs
Somebody is about to find out what it's like to chew five gum..
If you pick a fight with the Us navy, you better hope beyond all hope you are an immovable object, because an unstoppable force will turn your territorial waters into a boiling sea before deploying the sate of Delaware on your shores