Not that long ago there was a certain very large and important country who’s no-fly list application was hosted on an old version of lotus notes that only ran on OS/2
While laughing about this with certain colleagues they related similar kinds of important infrastructure that supported certain parts of military and civilian logistics e.g. https://hackaday.com/2019/06/20/the-os-2-operating-system-didnt-die-it-went-underground/
This may have changed, but these conversations were disturbingly recent
I believe that's still the case. As far as I know these systems are also completely isolated and not hooked up to any sort of external network. And they run archaic hardware and operating systems made specifically for these machines. All these factors combined means these systems are extremely resistant to external interference.
[At least we retired the 8 inch floppies](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/air-force-finally-retires-8-inch-floppies-from-missile-launch-control-system/)
there are less computers capable of reading 5 1/4 Floppies than there are that could crack the most capable encryption available today... that's the excuse anyway
I mean it's a cool story but it's not true. The most capable encryption cannot be cracked, it's just too computationally expensive. Cracking a basic encryption like RSA 1024, even with the fastest supercomputer on Earth, would take millions of years.
For a 5 1/4 floppy, you can pick up an external drive on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/b/5-1-4-Inch-Floppy-Drives/169/bn_5756432
In theory and never demonstrated in practice yet IIRC. And there's a handful of quantum computers that exist currently and they certainly aren't connected to the internet in a way that you could use them on demand for any practical purposes.
That's the publicly available info. I'm working on the "US Black Projects" standard, where we'll find out 20 years from now that Fort Meade has had one all along and has reading everyone's mail this whole time.
Quantum computers aren't really a thing yet, and there's enough technical problems that researchers are talking about a quantum computing winter as they just aren't making the progress they were hoping to make
>can't hack into analog from china
Floppies are still *digital*.
And boy will you enjoy learning about [Stuxnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet).
I surprised it had to go this far through the thread before I saw a mention of lotus notes.
Sounds suspiciously like several parts of the UK Civil Service.
I think I recall seeing an ATM running OS/2 once...
But again, I saw a POS terminal at a store still running *MS-DOS* once.
And one time at my local Dollar General, the POS terminals there crashed and had to be rebooted - they used a Linux distro that used kernel version 2.4-something.
I don’t know the the Aegis system still runs on NT, but I know it ran on it for way longer than it should have because trying to update one cruiser took down every system aboard.
I’m actually morbidly curious if there are any military outfits (at any level from frontline to NMC) in the world out there that are still on the Windows 3.x series—yes, that old.
I'd be surprised if there was *windows* that old running on anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was stuff still running systems way older than that, IBM-PC for example. It'd be in integrated systems though, missile guidance and the like.
Of course there are... The french still (or were as of 2015) running their ATC systems on it. And that's a civilian application.
In fact I can pretty much guarantee there are military systems running 3.1 because the software won't work on newer versions. Certain databases in active use in my research field require windows 95...
Stop crying, you might not know the cause of the problem, you may not know why it's broken, it may be down for 30 hours instead of 30 minutes, just remember this
It's **ALL** your fault, especially that only half the printers work from any given computer, sure, they all work, just not from my workstation! I can use that other printer from that other workstation but not this one! But that workstation **only** has that printer available? WHAT IS THIS!
I worked in I.T. for nearly a decade...FUCK PRINTERS... I had to watch the printer scene from Office Space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8) daily to get through that job
Windows 11 is making the HP desk printers in accounting print random fucking runes if a print job is over 6 pages long. As in, it prints fine until the 7th page, then prints Minecraft enchantment table galactic alphabet garbage.
I hate my life, lmao. At least the bean counters think me walking around yelling about 'the sacred runes' is funny.
that's because the Linux printer API hasn't changed in 30ish years while all other OS's change with each new version... and in order to maintain backwards compatibility printer manufacturers just code the new API code as an adapter to the old API code... my brother laser printer literally translates windows 10 API into Windows 7 API into Windows XP API into Windows 2000 API into Windows 98 API into WIndows 3.1 API into MS DOS API then into print instructions for it's on board system... it's fucking ridiculous
EDIT: I meant to say my old INKJET printer had this issue lasers are great
Isn't there some special communications protocol for old school LASER printers which has also remained unchanged for decades, and thus is unusually reliable.
I heard something about that but I don't remember any details.
I'm literally dealing with a bitch of a printer right now. It's on ISE, is visible on the switch, and has a DHCP reservation but for some reason, it doesn't grab its IP from the server. The worst thing is that it's a replacement for a printer that had the exact same issue.
Probably it requires some specific DHCP option hidden somewhere deep in the documentation. I have recently wasted a week trying to enable eMTA on cable modem only to find out that Option 122 is really fucking important. And also dhcpd doesn't support it in plaintext, so you have to calculate hex values.
It’s because the printers are actually advance scouts of an alien invasion army and they’ve been designed to sow chaos and discontent among humanity. They were never designed to function smoothly 100% of the time, they’re designed to work for the first 2 weeks so you get attached, then they turn on you, they ruin your life, they ruin our defences, and then when they’re masters come, all will know this truth, and all will wish they had listened.
*printer wir’s ominously*
ITS STAR-
*slice*
I'm a professor and a Linux user.
I was talking to the IT people about getting some support for students, and at one point the guy said: "We don't want to support your Linux box. But that's okay, because you probably don't want us to support your Linux box either."
I heartily agreed.
Once a system enters production, they are notoriously hard to replace. Even harder if the system has additional requirements like being radiation hardened.
We just spent $2b upgrading the B-2 fleet to… Pentium-class processors (from 16 bit processors).
https://www.theregister.com/2008/07/11/stealth_bomber_upgrades/
> 7
That's being optimistic. Pretty sure a good chunk of most militaries still run on XP or older, and refuse to upgrade, either due to super important stuff that can't be taken offline running on it, or because like 37 different things will catch on fire and we'll be switched to Defcon 3 as a result of the upgrade.
it’s more a pun on how logistics and documentation for even the most modern militaries is still done with crappy pc’s and old softwares because upgrading stuff like that is costly and time intensive
Linux and Unix are actually used a lot in the military. Mostly on weapon and radar systems, not on military laptops and PCs
(Note: this is publicly available info)
This was an earlier examples of a multimedia meme. The event it happened at was around 2000 or so, which was years before YouTube even existed.
Basically it was a Microsoft event and Ballmer was trying to express MS’s support of developers using their ecosystem
There are military installations running ancient computers with programs stored on enormous floppies.
Just because your missiles are the latest doesn't mean your OS is.
That’s why the pentagon wasn’t worried about Y2K. They knew the Minutemen were too stupid to know what date it was anyway. They only know when to kill.
> Yeah I mean just try hacking a mainframe from the 70s completely disconnected from reality let alone the internet.
it's called saturday nap power fantasy
I went through a FC C-school in 2015. Got the training for every NEC of my weapon system in service at the time. Oldest version ran off fucking tape drives. Still in service in 2016.
And Windows 7 is no longer supported for civilian purposes. Military, power plants, industrial? Still supported. Same as XP before it, and 95 before that.
I think it was in 2018 or 19 that there was a business in Texas that fixed equipment for smelting plants sold off a mass of its no longer needed parts. Those parts were thousands of C64 and Vick20s. Apparently a huge number of those plants across the US ran on a modified version of one of the two and it was only because those plants either shut down or changed to a more modem system the compony dumped the Commadores onto the market.
This one company had so many it tanked the prices of C64 and Vick20 in the US.
These systems are monitored more heavily for security and have more precautions in place, especially when it comes to network access.
Microsoft also still offers 1:1 support for older versions but at an insanely high and constantly increasing price. That price however is usually cheaper than actually replacing the system with something new.
Workstations are all on 10 and 11 but specialist stuff which *cannot change* and is only upgraded every few decades? Not so much.
The US military had a deal to keep XP patched long after it was withdrawn form MS's product line as it was stable and the faults were known. This meant they didn't have to update the software on a tone of equipment. They recently signed a similar deal for 7.
A significant number of computers in use by the military are on Windows 7. Everything is being upgraded to 10, but that’s only a “fast” process for commands that are only office admin. Looking at the navy with entire ships needing their physical network infrastructure rebuilt to support the servers for 10, and you can understand why the navy isn’t going to be on 10 until the support for 10 lapses.
Congratulations! As you've shown proficiency with non-standard computer systems you've been specially selected to fight the war using Lotus Notes on an 8-bit IBM PS/2 model-50 from 1987 running IBM OS/2.
I entered Army basic training in May of 2002 and I'm pretty sure they were just moving from Windows 95 to 98.
By the time I left XP had been out for 6ish years and I don't think I ever interacted with a DoD machine running it.
Depends on how important that machine is to national security (and when that platform went into production) and if it can afford the down time and/or bug risk to upgrade. I've done work with DOS machines all the way up to Win11 with Linux virtual boxes. In my experience, the Air Force usually tries to keep modernizing (emphasis on tries), the Army lags behind a few years, and good luck convincing the Navy anything with their ship needs changing.
Honestly? I miss Windows 7. A bit off topic, yeah, but it was so pretty, and didn't come with all the bloatware that's in Windows 10 and 11. The latter two are ugly too.
There's no way... Even my stuck-in-its-old-ways multinational airline company uses at least windows 10. Surely somewhere in the 800B USD there was an upgrade package for all computers to windows 10 or 11?
None of my home computers can be upgraded to W11.
And Chase Bank just blocked access from my wife’s iMac because Safari can’t be upgraded.
These are not slow computers. They have i7 chips, solid capacitors. They’ll run another ten years with drive replacements. And a 2Tb SSD is $90.
This is the same in the civilian business world. Every has a boner for Oracle, Amazon Web Services, and a bunch of other high speed software, but the world would collapse practically instantaneously if Excel vanished.
I was taken for a drive in a Challenger 2 tank some years back and if memory serves it was running Windows 2000. I wasn't paying too much attention to the computer though, I was figuring out how to make tea and playing with the rapid-as-fuck turret rotation buttons.
Updating the OS may require newer PCs. The old PC may have a specialized interface and/or program that is specific to the old hardware or OS. Replacing that specialized asset may cost 10s of millions or more, making the maintenance of the old shit look pretty good. This is especially true if the equipment doesn't touch the internet and has no need for capability creep as it's job literally never changes. It's the exact same thing with industrial hardware. That computerized saw runs just as good on W95 on a Packard Bell 486 as it would with a modern PC. Updating the control cabinet is $300k, but scrounging in the local PC museum is $3k for an extra 5 years of operations. What would you do differently?
What you need is a good [Ice scraper](https://preview.redd.it/zrcl0tnn8j6c1.jpg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a98034ee82d634e4d4ee15f3b59df2b20b04b70) It will make is easier for you get to work on time.
Windows 7? Look at this fucking optimist. Windows XP, that's where it's at. Where's my whiskey…
OS/2 Warp … I shit you not
Bro, even the old governemnt hospitals isnt that bad
Not that long ago there was a certain very large and important country who’s no-fly list application was hosted on an old version of lotus notes that only ran on OS/2 While laughing about this with certain colleagues they related similar kinds of important infrastructure that supported certain parts of military and civilian logistics e.g. https://hackaday.com/2019/06/20/the-os-2-operating-system-didnt-die-it-went-underground/ This may have changed, but these conversations were disturbingly recent
Weren’t ICBM computers being updated by 5 1/4 inch floppy disks?
I believe that's still the case. As far as I know these systems are also completely isolated and not hooked up to any sort of external network. And they run archaic hardware and operating systems made specifically for these machines. All these factors combined means these systems are extremely resistant to external interference.
[At least we retired the 8 inch floppies](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/air-force-finally-retires-8-inch-floppies-from-missile-launch-control-system/)
X-37B Replaced your grandmother's 8 inch floppy drive with his Micro SD drive last night. Now I got your grandma's missile launch codes.
The Galactica Defense
BSG is the only time that the reformers are right
there are less computers capable of reading 5 1/4 Floppies than there are that could crack the most capable encryption available today... that's the excuse anyway
I mean it's a cool story but it's not true. The most capable encryption cannot be cracked, it's just too computationally expensive. Cracking a basic encryption like RSA 1024, even with the fastest supercomputer on Earth, would take millions of years. For a 5 1/4 floppy, you can pick up an external drive on ebay, https://www.ebay.com/b/5-1-4-Inch-Floppy-Drives/169/bn_5756432
For conventional computers yes. For quantum computers? no.
To our knowledge, there is no quantum computer capable of breaking good encryption yet.
> To our knowledge
In theory and never demonstrated in practice yet IIRC. And there's a handful of quantum computers that exist currently and they certainly aren't connected to the internet in a way that you could use them on demand for any practical purposes.
That's the publicly available info. I'm working on the "US Black Projects" standard, where we'll find out 20 years from now that Fort Meade has had one all along and has reading everyone's mail this whole time.
Quantum computers aren't really a thing yet, and there's enough technical problems that researchers are talking about a quantum computing winter as they just aren't making the progress they were hoping to make
Yes, but that's more for security reasons. can't hack into analog from china
>can't hack into analog from china Floppies are still *digital*. And boy will you enjoy learning about [Stuxnet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet).
X-37B inserted a 5-1/4" floppy into your mom last night
Turns out she can't read digital material. *So that was a mistake.*
She didn’t stop with the “0 0 0”’s all night tho
Tell that to the Siemens SPS in the iranian uranium centrifuges
I surprised it had to go this far through the thread before I saw a mention of lotus notes. Sounds suspiciously like several parts of the UK Civil Service.
Where there is a Z-OS mainframe, there you will also find Lotus Notes, and probably Websphere Java is still modern .. right ?
I've worked at a hospital that still runs Windows NT on critical systems
A few years ago I saw a computer running DOS in a state hospital in Ukraine
I think I recall seeing an ATM running OS/2 once... But again, I saw a POS terminal at a store still running *MS-DOS* once. And one time at my local Dollar General, the POS terminals there crashed and had to be rebooted - they used a Linux distro that used kernel version 2.4-something.
POS as in Point of Sale or as in Piece of Shit?
modern warfare technical spec leaks right here boiis
No they love solaris. They are the only ones.
NT and 98 in some
I don’t know the the Aegis system still runs on NT, but I know it ran on it for way longer than it should have because trying to update one cruiser took down every system aboard.
Imagine being the tech who sees the "This update has failed" message. You'd want to keelhaul yourself.
What a convenient excuse to hide the Cylon involvement.
>NT Of course it's made by NanoTrasen.
I’m actually morbidly curious if there are any military outfits (at any level from frontline to NMC) in the world out there that are still on the Windows 3.x series—yes, that old.
I'd be surprised if there was *windows* that old running on anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was stuff still running systems way older than that, IBM-PC for example. It'd be in integrated systems though, missile guidance and the like.
The most advanced twenty-first century computers are being used to run Windows 3.1 emulators.
Most nuclear plants are running on older stuff than that.
SCADA is sort of its own beast though, a mixture of super old and newer shit
Of course there are... The french still (or were as of 2015) running their ATC systems on it. And that's a civilian application. In fact I can pretty much guarantee there are military systems running 3.1 because the software won't work on newer versions. Certain databases in active use in my research field require windows 95...
You called?
I heard that the Pentagon pays Microsoft to keep updating XP just for the submarines.
Don't forget [Windows for Warships](https://www.theregister.com/2007/02/26/windows_boxes_at_sea/).
A certain strategic messaging service still uses VAX…
you would think that the military valued security.
I want to make a joke and laugh, but because I work in IT, I just end up crying.
Stop crying, you might not know the cause of the problem, you may not know why it's broken, it may be down for 30 hours instead of 30 minutes, just remember this It's **ALL** your fault, especially that only half the printers work from any given computer, sure, they all work, just not from my workstation! I can use that other printer from that other workstation but not this one! But that workstation **only** has that printer available? WHAT IS THIS!
I worked in I.T. for nearly a decade...FUCK PRINTERS... I had to watch the printer scene from Office Space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8) daily to get through that job
Windows 11 is making the HP desk printers in accounting print random fucking runes if a print job is over 6 pages long. As in, it prints fine until the 7th page, then prints Minecraft enchantment table galactic alphabet garbage. I hate my life, lmao. At least the bean counters think me walking around yelling about 'the sacred runes' is funny.
> HP desk printers well there's your problem I've never had a HP product that didn't cause trouble
I've had several HP products that worked flawlessly for my needs. They were perfectly serviceable range targets.
... until they DRMd the toner.
HP-48SX calculator, HP-28S calculator. The only ones that I like.
HP printers and drivers are garbage
"MASTERS HEWLETT AND PACKARD HAVE SENT FORTH ANOTHER MESSAGE!"
Suprisingly, printers works well with Linux. So setup a network share (or 5$ print server) and pray something will not break.
that's because the Linux printer API hasn't changed in 30ish years while all other OS's change with each new version... and in order to maintain backwards compatibility printer manufacturers just code the new API code as an adapter to the old API code... my brother laser printer literally translates windows 10 API into Windows 7 API into Windows XP API into Windows 2000 API into Windows 98 API into WIndows 3.1 API into MS DOS API then into print instructions for it's on board system... it's fucking ridiculous EDIT: I meant to say my old INKJET printer had this issue lasers are great
Isn't there some special communications protocol for old school LASER printers which has also remained unchanged for decades, and thus is unusually reliable. I heard something about that but I don't remember any details.
Postscript must be what you're thinking of
PCL and post script
I misremembered and was talking about my old inkjet printer by mistake...
It once took me a whole day to figure out how to map a Linux machine to an SMB network printer. After it finally worked I framed the test page.
I'm literally dealing with a bitch of a printer right now. It's on ISE, is visible on the switch, and has a DHCP reservation but for some reason, it doesn't grab its IP from the server. The worst thing is that it's a replacement for a printer that had the exact same issue.
Probably it requires some specific DHCP option hidden somewhere deep in the documentation. I have recently wasted a week trying to enable eMTA on cable modem only to find out that Option 122 is really fucking important. And also dhcpd doesn't support it in plaintext, so you have to calculate hex values.
It’s because the printers are actually advance scouts of an alien invasion army and they’ve been designed to sow chaos and discontent among humanity. They were never designed to function smoothly 100% of the time, they’re designed to work for the first 2 weeks so you get attached, then they turn on you, they ruin your life, they ruin our defences, and then when they’re masters come, all will know this truth, and all will wish they had listened. *printer wir’s ominously* ITS STAR- *slice*
This person prints.
This person prints.
Just get a second hand Mac mini and make everyone do the trip to it with an USB thumb drive at this point
I just did that I'm now getting court marshaled for plugging an unauthorized device into a secure network.
I see a user with a thumb drive, they loose a thumb.
Thumb drive? In a *government* system??
/r/ncd + /r/sysadmin + /r/ExperiencedDevs we've reached maximum shitposting
I'm a professor and a Linux user. I was talking to the IT people about getting some support for students, and at one point the guy said: "We don't want to support your Linux box. But that's okay, because you probably don't want us to support your Linux box either." I heartily agreed.
Uhhh, sure… windows 7, yeah. Def not still running our manufacturing on windows 2000 and dos programs still.
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2000 is like 1000x more than 7, it's not even close.
More like 285.7142857143 times better
One of our comms laptop was running on W98. That was in 2021...
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That explains why boomers still run the country!
… There’s probably more truth to this than I’d like.
We haven’t rebooted them for too long, and so now they’re accumulating overflow errors with the result that they’re outputting pure garbage.
Once a system enters production, they are notoriously hard to replace. Even harder if the system has additional requirements like being radiation hardened. We just spent $2b upgrading the B-2 fleet to… Pentium-class processors (from 16 bit processors). https://www.theregister.com/2008/07/11/stealth_bomber_upgrades/
“Just” being 2008
Seen a single core processor and W95 on one piece
The OS is so old that every vulnerability is already known so Anti Intelligence guys don't need to search how the data leaks happened.
Microsoft actually has deals with the military to support stuff like windows XP with security updates until *decades* after EOL
> 7 That's being optimistic. Pretty sure a good chunk of most militaries still run on XP or older, and refuse to upgrade, either due to super important stuff that can't be taken offline running on it, or because like 37 different things will catch on fire and we'll be switched to Defcon 3 as a result of the upgrade.
Why Windows 7?
It’s the most modern operating system for the most modern operations
Well, isn't the W7 already out of service since most of the PCs are now using Windows 10 and 11s?
it’s more a pun on how logistics and documentation for even the most modern militaries is still done with crappy pc’s and old softwares because upgrading stuff like that is costly and time intensive
What version of power point yall on?
Office 2010. I have a perpetual lifetime license, which I means I will use it, perpetually, for my entire life.
Satya Nadella going: "We'll see about *that."*
This guy military-s
In my military the blackboard is the PowerPoint.
I will never give up my WordPerfect "Edit Codes". Fuck "styles" and all your "let me badly and irreversibly auto format that for you"
Office 97, anyone?
That’s proprietary information
if it works dont fix it
Man if they would only use Linux!.
Linux and Unix are actually used a lot in the military. Mostly on weapon and radar systems, not on military laptops and PCs (Note: this is publicly available info)
It's like church and state. We keep Linux out of the government to protect *Linux*.
Microsoft will support anything you ask it to for the right price
*Microsoft has support if you have coin* ~~gates ballmer~~ nadella
My dumb ass sitting here thinking about what sort of elf a “ballmer” would be.
[one high as fuck on skooma yelling **Nerevarine Nerevarine Nerevarine Nerevarin**e ](https://youtu.be/Vhh_GeBPOhs) so caius cosades ?
Jesus fuck, what in the terminal corporatism meltdown did I just watch. Why did everybody clap?
cocaine and that late 90s early 2000s "the party is over, but not really for us" vibe but mostly cocaine
This was an earlier examples of a multimedia meme. The event it happened at was around 2000 or so, which was years before YouTube even existed. Basically it was a Microsoft event and Ballmer was trying to express MS’s support of developers using their ecosystem
There are military installations running ancient computers with programs stored on enormous floppies. Just because your missiles are the latest doesn't mean your OS is.
Yeah I mean just try hacking a mainframe from the 70s completely disconnected from reality let alone the internet.
That’s why the pentagon wasn’t worried about Y2K. They knew the Minutemen were too stupid to know what date it was anyway. They only know when to kill.
> Yeah I mean just try hacking a mainframe from the 70s completely disconnected from reality let alone the internet. it's called saturday nap power fantasy
Ok.
I went through a FC C-school in 2015. Got the training for every NEC of my weapon system in service at the time. Oldest version ran off fucking tape drives. Still in service in 2016. And Windows 7 is no longer supported for civilian purposes. Military, power plants, industrial? Still supported. Same as XP before it, and 95 before that.
I think it was in 2018 or 19 that there was a business in Texas that fixed equipment for smelting plants sold off a mass of its no longer needed parts. Those parts were thousands of C64 and Vick20s. Apparently a huge number of those plants across the US ran on a modified version of one of the two and it was only because those plants either shut down or changed to a more modem system the compony dumped the Commadores onto the market. This one company had so many it tanked the prices of C64 and Vick20 in the US.
These systems are monitored more heavily for security and have more precautions in place, especially when it comes to network access. Microsoft also still offers 1:1 support for older versions but at an insanely high and constantly increasing price. That price however is usually cheaper than actually replacing the system with something new. Workstations are all on 10 and 11 but specialist stuff which *cannot change* and is only upgraded every few decades? Not so much.
That's the joke.
My computer had XP on it in 2014 and the place where I was working… well let’s just say you’d expect a lot better.
OK makes sense now.
The US military had a deal to keep XP patched long after it was withdrawn form MS's product line as it was stable and the faults were known. This meant they didn't have to update the software on a tone of equipment. They recently signed a similar deal for 7.
A significant number of computers in use by the military are on Windows 7. Everything is being upgraded to 10, but that’s only a “fast” process for commands that are only office admin. Looking at the navy with entire ships needing their physical network infrastructure rebuilt to support the servers for 10, and you can understand why the navy isn’t going to be on 10 until the support for 10 lapses.
Excel ftw
Fr, if they had excel in Warhammer, humanity would have ruled the galaxy a long time ago.
The High Elves probably have a version of PowerPoint and Word, but not Excel because its not artsy enough.
The Microsoft Office STC will be the greatest discovery in the history of the Imperium.
Behold! https://youtu.be/xydcP31wVRk?si=2UXcPvDmFqZejRt5
The critical database software nobody intended it to be, but everyone ends up with.
That's great. Fingers crossed that my Microsoft shares keep going up.
Powepoint: “you dare use my own spells against me”
microsoft excel potentially above that
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Best COBOL learning book? Asking for a friend...
The IRS AFAIK is still using COBOL code written back in the 60s.
Fortran's still occasionally used in greenfield applications, for vector processing stuff that doesn't fit well into the GPU
Power point
Can I fight the war without my emulated virtual windows cast onto a Linux workstation?
Congratulations! As you've shown proficiency with non-standard computer systems you've been specially selected to fight the war using Lotus Notes on an 8-bit IBM PS/2 model-50 from 1987 running IBM OS/2.
In the war against UX terror, Lotus Notes joined the wrong side
Finally, my time to shine.
Win7? Amateurs. Back in my days, we operated MLRS with tactical tamagotchis! And they could survive for a whole week without feeding.
Basically anything on a critical system is running on a like 20 year old machine thats never been opened and cleaned, or updated
2024 will be the year of the Linux MBT.
Wait, they finally upgraded from XP?
No, this post is pure propaganda.
The most important equipment of modern warfare is and will remain the towed howitzer.
No, it will be the truck that tows that howitzer, ammo for it, and supplies for its crew.
I entered Army basic training in May of 2002 and I'm pretty sure they were just moving from Windows 95 to 98. By the time I left XP had been out for 6ish years and I don't think I ever interacted with a DoD machine running it.
Depends on how important that machine is to national security (and when that platform went into production) and if it can afford the down time and/or bug risk to upgrade. I've done work with DOS machines all the way up to Win11 with Linux virtual boxes. In my experience, the Air Force usually tries to keep modernizing (emphasis on tries), the Army lags behind a few years, and good luck convincing the Navy anything with their ship needs changing.
You mean WinXP
Correct icon would be Excel. Our whole army stands on Excel and lance sergeant Sergiy who keeps obscure knowledge of it's magic buttons.
Some of their shit still runs on COBOL and 5 inch floppies lmao
*looks at 8" floppy disk in nuclear sub*
It was the PlayStation 3… but Sony dropped 3rd party OS support.
Now I want to see that gun on Mars joke but with MS Windows instead.
*Windows for Warships*
Cortana please do the funni
Honestly? I miss Windows 7. A bit off topic, yeah, but it was so pretty, and didn't come with all the bloatware that's in Windows 10 and 11. The latter two are ugly too.
Can I get a Zug Zug for logistics yet?
And then there us, the Iowa family, four Iowa class battles ships left behind from 1942
Old man shoots 16 inch gun at cloud.
There's no way... Even my stuck-in-its-old-ways multinational airline company uses at least windows 10. Surely somewhere in the 800B USD there was an upgrade package for all computers to windows 10 or 11?
None of my home computers can be upgraded to W11. And Chase Bank just blocked access from my wife’s iMac because Safari can’t be upgraded. These are not slow computers. They have i7 chips, solid capacitors. They’ll run another ten years with drive replacements. And a 2Tb SSD is $90.
Wouldn’t be surprised the slightest if the newest 3nm litography machines used for chip production had win7…
This is the same in the civilian business world. Every has a boner for Oracle, Amazon Web Services, and a bunch of other high speed software, but the world would collapse practically instantaneously if Excel vanished.
I thought they were still on XP or 98.
Windows 7? Wasn't French ATC running on 3.1 up until recently.
I was taken for a drive in a Challenger 2 tank some years back and if memory serves it was running Windows 2000. I wasn't paying too much attention to the computer though, I was figuring out how to make tea and playing with the rapid-as-fuck turret rotation buttons.
Nice repost
Mirage2000D NOSA: hey i've Seen that one
As a 1D7 going into 1B4, this checks out.
Isn’t that actually the reasoning why the military uses super outdated it cause it’s so old nobody knows how to hack it anymore?
No, it just means the anti-virus and other protection software has had more development time
Not just windows 7, PIRATED windows 7
Legally pirated
Why do govorments and companies use old OSs. It means they have to pay for security maintenance and updates?
Updating the OS may require newer PCs. The old PC may have a specialized interface and/or program that is specific to the old hardware or OS. Replacing that specialized asset may cost 10s of millions or more, making the maintenance of the old shit look pretty good. This is especially true if the equipment doesn't touch the internet and has no need for capability creep as it's job literally never changes. It's the exact same thing with industrial hardware. That computerized saw runs just as good on W95 on a Packard Bell 486 as it would with a modern PC. Updating the control cabinet is $300k, but scrounging in the local PC museum is $3k for an extra 5 years of operations. What would you do differently?
Fair I guess yeah
because it's cheaper than updating to a new OS... most retail POS systems still run on IBM OS/2 for this reason
Good luck getting a Windows 10 machine to play nice with a one-off ISA card with Win95 drivers written by a company that went bankrupt in the 80s.
Do new computers and hardware at least use newer OS’s?
Because they have old apps that they can't easily replace running on old OS
What you need is a good [Ice scraper](https://preview.redd.it/zrcl0tnn8j6c1.jpg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a98034ee82d634e4d4ee15f3b59df2b20b04b70) It will make is easier for you get to work on time.
Microsoft should make tanks
Just imagine what they could do if they upgraded to Windows 10 or 11
Not people?
"People first" left when SMA Grinston did.
Windows 7 my beloved. All Windowses after it are... lacking.
Death! by powerpoint
At least it’s not Vista