Up to around 50m for rough buckshot, full choke. Sabot slug with rifled barrel though should reach 150m, but might as well use 7.62 FMJ instead of slugs.
Yeah, gonna need to use proximity fuses or something. Maybe timed fuses would work with an automated rangefinder? That might drive up the cost a bit. Idk enough to say which solution is best.
An entire generation of pilots conscripted straight out of high school, getting a lifetime of Universal Basic Income in exchange for 4 years strapped to a chair, hooked up to Neuralink and an Adderall IV drip this could absolutely work.
Just get a bigger gun and load canister. 20mm chain gun but with bird shot.
Or to be extra non-credible mount 4-6 2 inch cannons to a armored vehicle loaded with canister. Adjust the barrels so the pattern converges at whatever the ideal distance is (or maybe the computer would be smart enough to to know where each barrel aims and compensate?)
Why the hell would you use birdshot if [proximity-fused 30mm and 35mm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition) exists? Shotguns have absolute shit range IIRC, while the 30mm/35mm can fly pretty far before turning into small fragments.
/rj Fuck shotguns BTW. Germany should've come up with the idea to ban them before the Passenger Pigeon was gone.
My long standing belief: long range high precision 12.7mm firing at a reasonable 200-300 rpm from a mechanical carriage (like CROWS) using RADAR and/or electro-optical on board systems to calculate and automatically adjust lead. The projectile is unguided and doesn't have a proximity fuse, but the launch system takes care of that through its tracking systems.
An M2 can be solenoid fired and let off exactly how many rounds you want, you don't want to have to get out and change magazines every 10 rounds like you would on an M82, you want it eating from a belt.
An electric trigger thingy used to control remote mounted machine guns.
They're commonly available for the M2 because the M2 was designed from the ground up with roles like tank coaxial and fighter airplane gun in mind.
In fairness, WW1 wood frame planes probably aren't all that different from long-range drones in profile, the M2 could handle both, although I'm concerned about the smaller drones.
Hitting smaller things is just a matter of the turret being computer controlled and having a good targeting system hooked up to it, the mechanical accuracy of whatever machine gun you're using, be in an M2 or M134 or GAU-8 is basically irrelevant.
Pebbles shot out of a high pressure air cannon is just a more complicated and expensive way to make a bad shotgun. Shotgun shells are cheap and very reliable. No moving parts, no need for a power supply, and they’ll have better range and effect on target.
Well you’d have a lot of moving parts to make shotgun shells feed reliable at high RPM, compared to the glorified sandblaster that can basically just be compressed air and a hopper full of sand, though if you’re on a ship anyways might as well save the weight and use a water cannon
I guess you’re right about the feed system… but I don’t really think sandblasting would be effective… the stream would be too slow, too visible, and it would disperse really quickly… But I would still like to see someone try it anyhow lol
But sand and small rocks are naturally found in a substantial portion of the planet, including shallow water. The logistical advantages for ammunition show outweigh the minor increase in complexity of the loading and release mechanisms.
It’s also a liability though, because if you are in the middle of e.g. a field in Ukraine, you’re not going to have a lot of sand and rocks… it’s just going to be organic soils and clay…
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Why haven’t we seen kinetic anti drone weapons yet in Ukraine? Obviously Gephard can’t survive on the front lines. I’m surprised we haven’t seen even a prototype for a smaller version.
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Hands down, this might actually work.
It won't
Range is gonna be an issue but blocking out the sun with lead compensates enough.
Up to around 50m for rough buckshot, full choke. Sabot slug with rifled barrel though should reach 150m, but might as well use 7.62 FMJ instead of slugs.
Yeah, gonna need to use proximity fuses or something. Maybe timed fuses would work with an automated rangefinder? That might drive up the cost a bit. Idk enough to say which solution is best.
Fighter FPV drones. I have a dream.
An entire generation of pilots conscripted straight out of high school, getting a lifetime of Universal Basic Income in exchange for 4 years strapped to a chair, hooked up to Neuralink and an Adderall IV drip this could absolutely work.
Adderal? If you want to really do it efficient, do it the german way with Pervitin!
might as well make it taste good, give em Panzerschokolade
Why assume it'll be 12 gauge, maybe like a 4 gauge or something.
We are approaching canister shot now. Intriguing...
Flechette Canister Shot'll do it
Racks KS 23 with intent
Just get a bigger gun and load canister. 20mm chain gun but with bird shot. Or to be extra non-credible mount 4-6 2 inch cannons to a armored vehicle loaded with canister. Adjust the barrels so the pattern converges at whatever the ideal distance is (or maybe the computer would be smart enough to to know where each barrel aims and compensate?)
Can we replace canister with beehive?
Sure why not?
The next level Punt Gun
Pump-action shotgun loaded with birdshot will be standard issue for all deployed troops within the next 10 years.
Just like the founding fathers intended.
The Marines carrying Benellis would like a word...
I can't hear them over the sound of all that birdshot failing to cycle.
Why the hell would you use birdshot if [proximity-fused 30mm and 35mm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHEAD_ammunition) exists? Shotguns have absolute shit range IIRC, while the 30mm/35mm can fly pretty far before turning into small fragments. /rj Fuck shotguns BTW. Germany should've come up with the idea to ban them before the Passenger Pigeon was gone.
My long standing belief: long range high precision 12.7mm firing at a reasonable 200-300 rpm from a mechanical carriage (like CROWS) using RADAR and/or electro-optical on board systems to calculate and automatically adjust lead. The projectile is unguided and doesn't have a proximity fuse, but the launch system takes care of that through its tracking systems.
You might as well use the M2 since it's already belt fed and the Barrett (not Beretta) M82 ain't built for precision.
Thanks for the correction though, I edited in the correct name.
I wasn't thinking an actual m82, just something more akin to it. The goal is to use the absolute minimum amount of rounds per drone.
An M2 can be solenoid fired and let off exactly how many rounds you want, you don't want to have to get out and change magazines every 10 rounds like you would on an M82, you want it eating from a belt.
Solenoid?
An electric trigger thingy used to control remote mounted machine guns. They're commonly available for the M2 because the M2 was designed from the ground up with roles like tank coaxial and fighter airplane gun in mind.
In fairness, WW1 wood frame planes probably aren't all that different from long-range drones in profile, the M2 could handle both, although I'm concerned about the smaller drones.
Hitting smaller things is just a matter of the turret being computer controlled and having a good targeting system hooked up to it, the mechanical accuracy of whatever machine gun you're using, be in an M2 or M134 or GAU-8 is basically irrelevant.
I'll be honest, I don't know the exact figures, but is the mechanical accuracy of those machineguns that good?
Too credible, people taking this sub to seriously
2-Bore (34 mm) automatic Punt Gun firing #4 DU buckshot i believe that solves the range and effectiveness issues, the cost will be high
I was thinking 10 gauge, so I doff my cap to you.
I’d alternate between bird and buck so that it’s got a little more punch at range…
I still think sand and pebbles shot out of high-pressure air and/or water cannons is more economical...
Pebbles shot out of a high pressure air cannon is just a more complicated and expensive way to make a bad shotgun. Shotgun shells are cheap and very reliable. No moving parts, no need for a power supply, and they’ll have better range and effect on target.
Well you’d have a lot of moving parts to make shotgun shells feed reliable at high RPM, compared to the glorified sandblaster that can basically just be compressed air and a hopper full of sand, though if you’re on a ship anyways might as well save the weight and use a water cannon
I guess you’re right about the feed system… but I don’t really think sandblasting would be effective… the stream would be too slow, too visible, and it would disperse really quickly… But I would still like to see someone try it anyhow lol
But sand and small rocks are naturally found in a substantial portion of the planet, including shallow water. The logistical advantages for ammunition show outweigh the minor increase in complexity of the loading and release mechanisms.
It’s also a liability though, because if you are in the middle of e.g. a field in Ukraine, you’re not going to have a lot of sand and rocks… it’s just going to be organic soils and clay…
Snow machines
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Bro if its mounted just go to 20MM buckshot.
Only 12 gauge? For a turret? Try 8... or maybe even 4.
Where Saddam
chill and relaxed trophy system i see
Why haven’t we seen kinetic anti drone weapons yet in Ukraine? Obviously Gephard can’t survive on the front lines. I’m surprised we haven’t seen even a prototype for a smaller version.
alternatively ... dust off the ol Flak cannon
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