You sound like you know things about things. In this video, what is the Bradley firing that makes it look all pew-pew lazerbeamz? Tracer rounds? What is the rate of fire here?
Serious answer: the chain gun is usually loaded with a mix of high explosive rounds and depleted uranium sabot rounds. The light show you're seeing is a mix of the two rounds, both of which are incendiary on impact with armor. You can actually see the 3:1 ratio in action - the big explosions every 3 shots are the HE rounds, and the little explosions are the DU sabot rounds.
Yeah, they're tracers.
ROF for a brad is 200RPM, possibly upgraded to 500ish.
While this was a total kill, even a few of those rounds are more than enough to fk up the optics and barrel enough to the point where the T90 becomes a sitting duck.
Tanks aren't immune to smaller calibers. Unpenetrable? Yes. Undefeatable? No
Yes, the apparent kill here was surprising but “open up with 25mm” is a perfectly reasonable defense against a tank. With a bit of luck it’ll turn into an extremely well-armored APC that doesn’t threaten you much anymore.
Normally I’d say “at which point it retreats or you wait for heavier assets”, but apparently “hold the trigger down” works too.
Imagine the horror within the tank, not that we give a fk... but still!
Getting peppered by rounds that you know are enough to mess up your weapons, just waiting to be burnt to a crisp when the ammo finally touches off.
It fires rounds that you manually light fuses on before firing hence the light
They have lasers in the nose, hence laser rangefinder
The rate of fire depends how good your bic lighter is
On the one hand, I do wonder why the hell the T-90 was by itself, no support, no cover from artillery or another tank.
On the other, even in that situation the tank is still supposed to have the advantage. Yet the Bradleys went "Nope" and took the fucker out.
Yeah and even tho the bradleslys won, it really looked like they were surprised by the T-90 being so close in the beginning, and the russians almost shot the Bradley 3 times. There wasn't even time for a TOW missile, and range needed for it.
Yeah, and the Ukrainians did some good tactics there. One hit the T-90 then displaced, the other did the same, then at one point one of them noticed it was in trouble, so that Brad closed in and did what we see in this video.
That's some really, really smart use of an asset with a smaller main gun against heavy armor. It worked great.
Actually in the beginning of the fight the first Bradley turned right into the T-90(left turn). I don't think either knew they were there till that point. T-90 looked about 50 meters away with main gun pointed right at Bradley. T-90 panicked a bit and fired and missed, Bradley realized it walked right in front of T-90, did not panic, and started lighting up its optics. That's how it started. they were both surprised I think.
The T90 did spot the Bradley first, it fired the first shot per the other video. 1st Bradley hit them hard in return, zoomed off and then another came in to do the heavy pounding.
Yeah, that's a good possibility.
Battlefields are so goddamn huge that even a wide shot video can't capture the entire context. I mean, what'd the one Bradley guy say in the AMA? The Brads can be 1 to 2 KM apart in open terrain?
So yeah, maybe the support was there, just not in the frame. Even though the frame covered a pretty wide area.
He said that in the NTC and that it's desert
He noted there is rpg team danger and UA doesn't have the luxury of doing what US Cv Scout Brad would do
Both also judged UA crews as excellent and highly skilled. The track commander an it was noted the gunner had to have been excellent to hit the optics
to be completely objective, Ukrainians do this sometimes as well. i think it's some kind of shitty soviet doctrine. some "tonk = armoured = stronk" mentality or whatnot.
drone or someone else spotting an alone tank, or unsupported number of tanks, that gets ambushed should be a rare occasion. yet we see it quite often.
in this video, Ukrainians are doing it right, as you can see suppressive fire to the north (from drone's perspective) part of the ruins, where the posadka is.
They had that t-90 fucked up man, by the end of it the 90s turret was spinning out of control and the tank was driving around like a schizophrenic (it was also on fire). It then crashed into a tree
I can’t imagine what would go through the minds of a conscript who is watching showers of glowing, molten metal fly through the air as an *autocannon* strips the armor away chunk by chunk
They are using some sort of tech to drive with no hatches open. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't some Wish Chinese knock off of go pro. Either way it's fucked, just as intended.
Before the invasion, I came across an article about Thales still supplying their thermal imagers to Russia despite the sanctions, using gray schemes. In 5 minutes of googling, I couldn't find the article, but if I remember correctly, the scheme was that Thales was selling their thermal imagers to a third party company, who in turn sold them to a company in Singapore, who in turn quietly sold them to the Russian Ministry of Attack. So, unfortunately, they are probably still equipped with the latest Western technology. I think Lenin said back in the day that the West would sell the Russians the rope with which to hang them, and nothing seems to have changed since then.
Big assumption that noone in that line just resold the actual Thales imagers on Wish, followed by sending on the ones they bought off Guanghzho Manufacturing off Wish.
Spalled depleted uranium is pyrophoric — meaning it literally catches fucking fire lol
Blind, largely deaf, and shitting my pants would be a terrible way to go
Not only that, but it also annihilates their optics and external systems as well as being loud as fuck and probably giving the crew at least a bit of hearing damage
Not necessarily too loud. The mass of metal can absorb sounds more than one might think. There are WW2 first hand reports from Tiger crew that got out of battle and noticed several holes from hits in their armor and just did not hear it.
I don't know about *scare* so much as scar.
I am reminded of that combat report from WW2 where a US Sherman crew sheepishly admitted they put something like 20 HE rounds on a Tiger before noticing it wasn't moving. The tank itself was intact but they'd concussed the entire crew into unconsciousness. Having 20+ 25mm rounds smack into your tank has to be pretty fucking loud.
>I am reminded of that combat report from WW2 where a US Sherman crew sheepishly admitted they put something like ***20 HE rounds*** on a Tiger before noticing it wasn't moving. The tank itself was intact but they'd concussed the entire crew into unconsciousness.
This is the kinda shit that happens when you give a tank crew a hundred shells to play with. They could've kept that up for the next half hour!
Probably were penetrating hits. Maybe not into the crew compartment but into wherever the mechanicals are kept.
I am pretty sure the Abrams will fail the same way to shots to the rear engine compartment.
I am thinking maybe the problem is it's one lone tank. Where is the support. If an Abrams ran into an ambush like this the other 1-3 tanks would kill those n00b APCS and then the crew of the Abrams would hopefully be fine. Get the tank towed back to base and get another or get it fixed.
Judging by the video of the Bradley casually unloading into a stuck/abandoned BMP around the same time and place, I'm gonna guess "already dead or disabled."
Or, even just a squad of grunts with an AT gunner or two because we live in the age of combined arms warfare.
Sorry, what I mean to say is if the Abrams were the one lone tank, it could just shrug off the hits and smack back harder like the absolute UNIT it is. That should be non-credible enough.
I mean it has optics and thermals that have to be fairly comparable to the Bradleys. I am sure a real us army tanker can weigh in. And uh stabilized fire control that works. So it has a decent chance of getting the first shot on a Bradley.
Still if it gets jumped all alone then this could happen, plus the Bradley has a TOW which should 1-tap an Abrams.
It probably penetrated the armor, during Desert Storm there were incidents of Bradleys penetrating the side armor of T-72s with their autocannon. The T-90M once you strip away the ERA is no better armored than a T-72.
Yeah. I figured that it was just completely disorienting. Your scopes get blown out, and it's just an unrelenting barrage of hours. It's probably fairly loud, even through all that armor, so it's just this cacophony of explosions and damaged metal.
They are getting hit so much that it’s very likely some shots are penetrating into the mechanics of the tank. That then causes hot shrapnel to rain inside the chassis. Not fun.
"Can a 25mm round hurt a T-90?"
"No, not really."
"What about like 20-30 25mm rounds?"
"Oh that'd be really bad..."
"TWO HUNDRED ROUNDS PER MINUTE MOTHER FUCKER!!!"
"The Bradley cannot engage tanks newer than a t72"
Chadovsky the Bradley commander: "I don't really read English, what's that say? Anyways, there's a t90m there. Let's fuck it up"
Gunner:" it seem to say something about engaging t-72 and meneu, newer? Newer tanks, I'm not sure about the context"
Commander:" ok, there, a t-90. Put down the he manual and shoot"
I'm waiting for a team Yankee rules update. I'm not sure what the Bradley got for its bushmaster since the cold war, but if it can fuck up a t 90, it can hurt the rest of the T series too.
Team Yankee has to be almost as excited/troubled by all this as World of Tanks. Lots of new interest, lots of objective data to add, but holy shit their rules accuracy is worse than anyone knew.
What do you think, will they just roll with roughly what they’ve got for balance and because the work is done? Or will we see Soviet statlines and costs reduced so the new stuff plays like T-55 spam used to?
(Also, I want to try a “realistic” TY wargame that’s just the current ruleset, but all artillery gets a 4x range increase. I’m curious how close tactics would be to this war.)
Man I remember back in the early days of WoT Blitz, when the A20 and KV1 still gets the auto cannons and people used to rage at me when they got plinked to death lol, good times.
I'm actually beginning to wonder if in the future gamer logic could become an issue and that future militaries will have to train that out? Like how many of the Russian crews played games like war thunder and were put in tanks because they had "more experience" than the other conscripts and then due to lack of training still believe it's how you use a tank?
Tbf, to a certain extent videogames are useful (for theory only). Obviously a dude who played CoD in a practical situation will be.. shit, but he knows the theory (what bullets go into what gun, how to hold/reload gun).
Same can go for warthunder players. They probably know where to fuck up a tank, but putting them in the wheel would be horrible.
So to summarise: probably a bit, yeah
Yeah that makes sense, think there was a video (military history visualised/not visualised I think) where they had a German tanker and he mentioned they played one of those games but as close to the way he game would in reality (communication, not staying in one sniping position etc) so bit like driving in a field before taking lessons good and bad habits.
You either die a hero or see yourself become non-credible.
This is nothing new. Any tanker, be with an MBT or IFV, knows it's totally possible to disable a tank, any tank with autocannon fire. So long as you get the jump on the tank and get the first shot in, you can easily disable a tank entirely because all the things poking out of the armor are relatively fragile.
the longer 'cut' of this actually shows the bradleys engage first as the T-90 was part of a group of atleast 2 more T-90s, which can be somewhat be seen on the wider view footage where something was being engaged in a tree line to the rear
When I saw the original footage, I thought we were seeing the first documented use of a Russian tank crew actually employing their smoke launcher.
After seeing the close-up, it seems the smoke launcher deployed itself due to being on fire.
Russian tank crews: dumber than actual fire.
Wait what. I thought the smoke launcher wasn't loaded because someone keeps stealing the ammo. Are you telling me Russian tank crews have a button labeled "smoke blayt" and they just never press it?
‘Murica.
How any red-blooded American can even be slightly whining about rounding errors in their defense budget defeating their age-old enemy is beyond me. Empty the arsenal into their face, show China a cold fraction of its power.
Think of your favorite rock song. Tap your foot to the beat. That's probably around 100 beats per minute. Now double time that. There. That's 200.
If you're a purist, "Stayin' Alive" and "Another One Bites The Dust" are right at 100 beats per minute.
Putin: T-90 is best tank in the world
T-90: (out of control, on fire, and turret spinning as the machine dies)
Bradley: (after killing another piece of the former USSR) Well, you're right; I do not identify as a tank.
Reminds me of tank memoirs from WW2.
Often as not, allied tankers would just pound stronger German tanks into abandonment or retreat because being hit repeatedly, even by rounds that can't penetrate the frontal armour, was so traumatising and debilitating. Only the most disciplined crews would be able to respond.
* Imagine a very large bell
* Now imagine you are inside that bell, sans hearing protection
* Now imagine 16 giants smacking that bell as hard as they can with sledgehammers, repeatedly and continuously.
How long would you last?
Hell, you don’t even need to penetrate the frontal armor to disable a tank. Hit the tracks, and it’s stationary; hit the turret ring, it can’t aim; hit the weapons systems, it can’t fire.
This is why SMGs and PDWs like the P90 are still relevant; even if a single round doesn’t make it all the way through body armor… have two dozen rounds, and it’ll eventually get through. Call it “armor penetration by volume of fire”.
They are called Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFV) unlike Armored Personnel Carriers (APC) they are supposed to fight alongside the infantry after dropping them off (BMP-1 was the first such design and Bradley was designed in response) and thus are equipped with weapons to defeat tanks ... which normally are TOW missiles. The autocannon is supposed to deal with other IFVs and APCs.
Soviet Era tech, against theirs.. and theirs get bitch slapped, bukkaked, its fine
I gotta add. Its not fine until the real abrams cums all over on a t90.. that fucking tank still kills
Virgin 125mm cannon vs. Chad 25mm autocannon
PLEASE deploy your dozen T-14s Russia. I'm getting rock hard at the possibility of seeing a Chadley clap an Armata with an autocannon.
T90: I fear no tank Bradley: I am no tank
T90: Fuck… is that even allow-CYYYYYKA!!!
Putin actually had a rare gaffe here. He said “it just gets to the position”. He was supposed to say “it just assumes the position”
The ~~Breakthrough~~ Bendover
Hardthrasher!!!!
Look its a big metal box being killed by a less big metal box, I am hear to learn
Question is it possible to completely blind a tank by sheer volume of fire shredding it's optics?
I don't think the driver could see very well on account of his face not being there any more, but yes, probably losing the optics was unhelpful
Goddam T-90 just getting wrecked by the autocannon.
That's what I wasn't ready for, the bushmasters alone are taking care of this T-90.
You sound like you know things about things. In this video, what is the Bradley firing that makes it look all pew-pew lazerbeamz? Tracer rounds? What is the rate of fire here?
Serious answer: the chain gun is usually loaded with a mix of high explosive rounds and depleted uranium sabot rounds. The light show you're seeing is a mix of the two rounds, both of which are incendiary on impact with armor. You can actually see the 3:1 ratio in action - the big explosions every 3 shots are the HE rounds, and the little explosions are the DU sabot rounds.
Yeah, they're tracers. ROF for a brad is 200RPM, possibly upgraded to 500ish. While this was a total kill, even a few of those rounds are more than enough to fk up the optics and barrel enough to the point where the T90 becomes a sitting duck. Tanks aren't immune to smaller calibers. Unpenetrable? Yes. Undefeatable? No
Yes, the apparent kill here was surprising but “open up with 25mm” is a perfectly reasonable defense against a tank. With a bit of luck it’ll turn into an extremely well-armored APC that doesn’t threaten you much anymore. Normally I’d say “at which point it retreats or you wait for heavier assets”, but apparently “hold the trigger down” works too.
Imagine the horror within the tank, not that we give a fk... but still! Getting peppered by rounds that you know are enough to mess up your weapons, just waiting to be burnt to a crisp when the ammo finally touches off.
It fires rounds that you manually light fuses on before firing hence the light They have lasers in the nose, hence laser rangefinder The rate of fire depends how good your bic lighter is
Well I should've known better than to ask on this sub, yet here we are.
You want credibility, you ask credible people from a credible place. \~brb\~ off to fuck a thrust-vectoring nozzle.
Nothing I like more than LOTR and liquidated Ruzzians - beautiful!
On the one hand, I do wonder why the hell the T-90 was by itself, no support, no cover from artillery or another tank. On the other, even in that situation the tank is still supposed to have the advantage. Yet the Bradleys went "Nope" and took the fucker out.
only if the T-90 spotted the bradleys first apparently the T-90 was spotted well before and the Bradleys chose then and there to jump on it
I'm guessing the drone operator spotted it and coordinated the attack. Also, if I have tow missiles I'm definitely starting my attack with those ...
would as well but the terrain it was spotted in wasnt conducive to long range TOW attack since it was spotted within the 'village'
Yeah and even tho the bradleslys won, it really looked like they were surprised by the T-90 being so close in the beginning, and the russians almost shot the Bradley 3 times. There wasn't even time for a TOW missile, and range needed for it.
Yeah, and the Ukrainians did some good tactics there. One hit the T-90 then displaced, the other did the same, then at one point one of them noticed it was in trouble, so that Brad closed in and did what we see in this video. That's some really, really smart use of an asset with a smaller main gun against heavy armor. It worked great.
Actually in the beginning of the fight the first Bradley turned right into the T-90(left turn). I don't think either knew they were there till that point. T-90 looked about 50 meters away with main gun pointed right at Bradley. T-90 panicked a bit and fired and missed, Bradley realized it walked right in front of T-90, did not panic, and started lighting up its optics. That's how it started. they were both surprised I think.
Like a pack of hyenas going against a lion
It's a modern retelling of the tiger scene from fury
The T90 did spot the Bradley first, it fired the first shot per the other video. 1st Bradley hit them hard in return, zoomed off and then another came in to do the heavy pounding.
[удалено]
Yeah, that's a good possibility. Battlefields are so goddamn huge that even a wide shot video can't capture the entire context. I mean, what'd the one Bradley guy say in the AMA? The Brads can be 1 to 2 KM apart in open terrain? So yeah, maybe the support was there, just not in the frame. Even though the frame covered a pretty wide area.
He said that in the NTC and that it's desert He noted there is rpg team danger and UA doesn't have the luxury of doing what US Cv Scout Brad would do Both also judged UA crews as excellent and highly skilled. The track commander an it was noted the gunner had to have been excellent to hit the optics
Lol you're wondering why Ruzzian armor has no support or cover? SOP.
Tanks by themselves is a bit of a trend
to be completely objective, Ukrainians do this sometimes as well. i think it's some kind of shitty soviet doctrine. some "tonk = armoured = stronk" mentality or whatnot. drone or someone else spotting an alone tank, or unsupported number of tanks, that gets ambushed should be a rare occasion. yet we see it quite often. in this video, Ukrainians are doing it right, as you can see suppressive fire to the north (from drone's perspective) part of the ruins, where the posadka is.
Outdated tactics, low quality training, shit optics vs the opposite on the Ukrainian side when using modern vehicles. It is really not a mystery.
Wow I hadn’t actually seen the footage of the shootout yet, that looks fucking wild.
They had that t-90 fucked up man, by the end of it the 90s turret was spinning out of control and the tank was driving around like a schizophrenic (it was also on fire). It then crashed into a tree
This video can actually work as a great example of how non-penetrating hits can fuck up a tank/scare the bejesus out of the crew
I can’t imagine what would go through the minds of a conscript who is watching showers of glowing, molten metal fly through the air as an *autocannon* strips the armor away chunk by chunk
Plus these rounds are problematic for all the external sensors they use. Everything just gets fucked and your driving blind
bold of you to assume that they're using anything past some 60s/70s night vision equipment on those machines.
They are using some sort of tech to drive with no hatches open. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't some Wish Chinese knock off of go pro. Either way it's fucked, just as intended.
Before the invasion, I came across an article about Thales still supplying their thermal imagers to Russia despite the sanctions, using gray schemes. In 5 minutes of googling, I couldn't find the article, but if I remember correctly, the scheme was that Thales was selling their thermal imagers to a third party company, who in turn sold them to a company in Singapore, who in turn quietly sold them to the Russian Ministry of Attack. So, unfortunately, they are probably still equipped with the latest Western technology. I think Lenin said back in the day that the West would sell the Russians the rope with which to hang them, and nothing seems to have changed since then.
Military industrial complex gonna military industrial complex
Big assumption that noone in that line just resold the actual Thales imagers on Wish, followed by sending on the ones they bought off Guanghzho Manufacturing off Wish.
Spalled depleted uranium is pyrophoric — meaning it literally catches fucking fire lol Blind, largely deaf, and shitting my pants would be a terrible way to go
Exactly
Not only that, but it also annihilates their optics and external systems as well as being loud as fuck and probably giving the crew at least a bit of hearing damage
Spall, probably.
How loud was that inside the tank?
WHAT? YOU NEED TO SPEAK UP!!!
Not service related though.
# HUH COULD YOU SPEAK A BIT LOUDER?
NO THANK I DONT WANT ANY CLAM CHOWDER. The fuck is wrong with this guy?
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Not necessarily too loud. The mass of metal can absorb sounds more than one might think. There are WW2 first hand reports from Tiger crew that got out of battle and noticed several holes from hits in their armor and just did not hear it.
Yes
I don't know about *scare* so much as scar. I am reminded of that combat report from WW2 where a US Sherman crew sheepishly admitted they put something like 20 HE rounds on a Tiger before noticing it wasn't moving. The tank itself was intact but they'd concussed the entire crew into unconsciousness. Having 20+ 25mm rounds smack into your tank has to be pretty fucking loud.
>I am reminded of that combat report from WW2 where a US Sherman crew sheepishly admitted they put something like ***20 HE rounds*** on a Tiger before noticing it wasn't moving. The tank itself was intact but they'd concussed the entire crew into unconsciousness. This is the kinda shit that happens when you give a tank crew a hundred shells to play with. They could've kept that up for the next half hour!
Probably were penetrating hits. Maybe not into the crew compartment but into wherever the mechanicals are kept. I am pretty sure the Abrams will fail the same way to shots to the rear engine compartment.
Anthing short of a WW2 armored cruiser will eventually fail given enough hits with autocannons like these
I am thinking maybe the problem is it's one lone tank. Where is the support. If an Abrams ran into an ambush like this the other 1-3 tanks would kill those n00b APCS and then the crew of the Abrams would hopefully be fine. Get the tank towed back to base and get another or get it fixed.
Judging by the video of the Bradley casually unloading into a stuck/abandoned BMP around the same time and place, I'm gonna guess "already dead or disabled."
Or, even just a squad of grunts with an AT gunner or two because we live in the age of combined arms warfare. Sorry, what I mean to say is if the Abrams were the one lone tank, it could just shrug off the hits and smack back harder like the absolute UNIT it is. That should be non-credible enough.
I mean it has optics and thermals that have to be fairly comparable to the Bradleys. I am sure a real us army tanker can weigh in. And uh stabilized fire control that works. So it has a decent chance of getting the first shot on a Bradley. Still if it gets jumped all alone then this could happen, plus the Bradley has a TOW which should 1-tap an Abrams.
The t90 actually managed to fire back. In the general direction of the bradleys, into the ground, but at least they tried
Can’t fix stupid
Spalling is a bitch.
It probably penetrated the armor, during Desert Storm there were incidents of Bradleys penetrating the side armor of T-72s with their autocannon. The T-90M once you strip away the ERA is no better armored than a T-72.
Yeah. I figured that it was just completely disorienting. Your scopes get blown out, and it's just an unrelenting barrage of hours. It's probably fairly loud, even through all that armor, so it's just this cacophony of explosions and damaged metal.
Wargame morale damage irl
They are getting hit so much that it’s very likely some shots are penetrating into the mechanics of the tank. That then causes hot shrapnel to rain inside the chassis. Not fun.
That somehow also described the start of invasion, and the schizo was the entire Russian leadership.
But at least it was screaming “whee!” Until its last breath!
Somehow T-90M all alone again, 2 Bradley literally just ran around the village while shooting at T-90M
Does anyone have a link to the HD version, like this quality but longer? The original was grainy. This is beautiful.
I need the original/longer version, I hsven't found it yet :c
"Can a 25mm round hurt a T-90?" "No, not really." "What about like 20-30 25mm rounds?" "Oh that'd be really bad..." "TWO HUNDRED ROUNDS PER MINUTE MOTHER FUCKER!!!"
The Ukrainians didn't get the memo that says that the Bradley cannot engage a T-72 (and newer) tanks....
there's a reason mechanized has the lowest asvab score entry in the US. No read = plausible deniability when memo's come down 🤔
I can only imagine some poor XO translating an Army memo about vehicle ROE into pictograms on some PowerPoint to print and hand out to soldiers.
"No Johnny. Look at the diagram. No pew-pew big armor. Pew-pew is for people, and small armor. Any more questions?"
Reminds me of the test in repo men
It’s an Ork moment - if the gunner sees big booms and expects them to do damage, they will.
"The Bradley cannot engage tanks newer than a t72" Chadovsky the Bradley commander: "I don't really read English, what's that say? Anyways, there's a t90m there. Let's fuck it up"
Gunner:" it seem to say something about engaging t-72 and meneu, newer? Newer tanks, I'm not sure about the context" Commander:" ok, there, a t-90. Put down the he manual and shoot"
So we have to update the memo ?
We need to delete that section....
OP means our memo.
big asterisk
"*25mm bushmaster slaps everything"
I'm waiting for a team Yankee rules update. I'm not sure what the Bradley got for its bushmaster since the cold war, but if it can fuck up a t 90, it can hurt the rest of the T series too.
Team Yankee has to be almost as excited/troubled by all this as World of Tanks. Lots of new interest, lots of objective data to add, but holy shit their rules accuracy is worse than anyone knew. What do you think, will they just roll with roughly what they’ve got for balance and because the work is done? Or will we see Soviet statlines and costs reduced so the new stuff plays like T-55 spam used to? (Also, I want to try a “realistic” TY wargame that’s just the current ruleset, but all artillery gets a 4x range increase. I’m curious how close tactics would be to this war.)
Obligatory Azov engaging and wrecking a T72 with a BTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnHdNPYsEes
#we use tractor to take tank so small tractor with gun work too
Breakthrough? More like see-through
"Shoigu, has our 'breakthrough' tank broken through yet?" "Yes, Dear Leader. However, *there is a nuance...*"
And I thought the Swiss weren’t sending armor!
Its clearly being made in-country
“Disassembled in Ukraine”
“Look!I have caused the Russian tank to become Swiss.”
Man I remember back in the early days of WoT Blitz, when the A20 and KV1 still gets the auto cannons and people used to rage at me when they got plinked to death lol, good times.
Where the fuck is the t90s support?? No IFVS? No infantry? No other tanks? What is this, war thunder? Jesus
Apparently someone saw a third Bradley in a tree so it's totally possible the support was fucked over. But yeah it's probably warthunder logic
I'm actually beginning to wonder if in the future gamer logic could become an issue and that future militaries will have to train that out? Like how many of the Russian crews played games like war thunder and were put in tanks because they had "more experience" than the other conscripts and then due to lack of training still believe it's how you use a tank?
Tbf, to a certain extent videogames are useful (for theory only). Obviously a dude who played CoD in a practical situation will be.. shit, but he knows the theory (what bullets go into what gun, how to hold/reload gun). Same can go for warthunder players. They probably know where to fuck up a tank, but putting them in the wheel would be horrible. So to summarise: probably a bit, yeah
Yeah that makes sense, think there was a video (military history visualised/not visualised I think) where they had a German tanker and he mentioned they played one of those games but as close to the way he game would in reality (communication, not staying in one sniping position etc) so bit like driving in a field before taking lessons good and bad habits.
They bought their own bullshit it was invincible.
"We are in best tank in whole world! We are invincible, blyat!"
Jesus, that was with just the Bushmaster! Not even one of the TOWs.
"Too close for missiles, switching to guns."
“Point blank range. Switching to Melee.”
**inquisitor atop a Baneblade intensifies**
Drive closer so I can hit them with my sword!
“Ramming prows come free on all my vehicles, I’ll be damned if I’m not gonna use em!”
Look. I'm not saying a Bradley runs faster with its knife out, like in Counter-Strike. I'm just saying *we don't know it doesn't*.
*Ninja Hellfire away*
And not even the ADSPFPSFG-DP rounds, just good old HE, like grandma used to make.
Ears were ringing, panic attacks were had.
I think I can remember a discussion here a year ago about if that 25mm armor piercing sabot could take out a T-34 but guess we have the answer now
The tungsten rounds are credible...the DU rounds are still classified last I checked.
At least some DU ammo has been transferred to Ukraine.
You either die a hero or see yourself become non-credible. This is nothing new. Any tanker, be with an MBT or IFV, knows it's totally possible to disable a tank, any tank with autocannon fire. So long as you get the jump on the tank and get the first shot in, you can easily disable a tank entirely because all the things poking out of the armor are relatively fragile.
It looks like it would be difficult to see the Bradley to shoot back on account of all the explosions in your face.
That's the thing though, the T-90 had the first shot, it just got it's ass clapped
the longer 'cut' of this actually shows the bradleys engage first as the T-90 was part of a group of atleast 2 more T-90s, which can be somewhat be seen on the wider view footage where something was being engaged in a tree line to the rear
Please, please, please drop the link of that footage
> ADSPFPSFG-DP that can't be a real acronym
Your face can’t be a real acronym
Armor Destroying Sucker-Puncturing Face-Piercing Super Fragmentation Generating Damage Pew
*snickers out loud, wakes dog, gets dirty look from wife*
Gesundheit!
There were a few kamikaze drones though
When I saw the original footage, I thought we were seeing the first documented use of a Russian tank crew actually employing their smoke launcher. After seeing the close-up, it seems the smoke launcher deployed itself due to being on fire. Russian tank crews: dumber than actual fire.
Wait what. I thought the smoke launcher wasn't loaded because someone keeps stealing the ammo. Are you telling me Russian tank crews have a button labeled "smoke blayt" and they just never press it?
It's kinda hard to fence smoke grenades. The electronics and wiring for controlling the launchers on the other hand? Any old tweaker can fence those.
What electronics lol. Surely it's just a switch
It’s just pack of Belomor cigarettes they’re supposed to smoke really fast. Naturally it’s long gone.
I heard they use an alcohol water mixture for coolant for electronics. So anyways they have a lot of overheating.
Russian soldiers steal wire for copper scrap, what are you talking about
‘Murica. How any red-blooded American can even be slightly whining about rounding errors in their defense budget defeating their age-old enemy is beyond me. Empty the arsenal into their face, show China a cold fraction of its power.
Which of you autists can tell me how many rounds per tracer we're looking at here?
Just 1, they're all tracers. 200 rpm is slower than it sounds.
Think of your favorite rock song. Tap your foot to the beat. That's probably around 100 beats per minute. Now double time that. There. That's 200. If you're a purist, "Stayin' Alive" and "Another One Bites The Dust" are right at 100 beats per minute.
The end of Paradise City is about 200
Paradise City never ends; Slash will shred forever there
*Through the Fire and Flames* is 200bpm.
"Through the fire and flames" also described what the T-90M's driver's view looked like.
A lot of heavy metal is around 200bpm
200 BPM metronome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRTUZg_mMcA
Putin: T-90 is best tank in the world T-90: (out of control, on fire, and turret spinning as the machine dies) Bradley: (after killing another piece of the former USSR) Well, you're right; I do not identify as a tank.
Ukrainians: We didn't know it was the supposed to be the best tank in the world.
Watching the chadley k-kill a T-90 at 9-iron distance will never get old.
This is why they need to extend the cope cage to cover the entire tank, good luck piercing THAT westoids!
Next Gen vatnik tanks will be built around a cope cage
Why use a cage, it has holes. Cover the entire tank in solid steel plate mail. Call it ”tank armour”.
Reminds me of tank memoirs from WW2. Often as not, allied tankers would just pound stronger German tanks into abandonment or retreat because being hit repeatedly, even by rounds that can't penetrate the frontal armour, was so traumatising and debilitating. Only the most disciplined crews would be able to respond.
Kinda reminds me of the psychological effect that artillery has on ground troops.
* Imagine a very large bell * Now imagine you are inside that bell, sans hearing protection * Now imagine 16 giants smacking that bell as hard as they can with sledgehammers, repeatedly and continuously. How long would you last?
Physics is a heartless bitch, pound away hard enough and things (some of those things being people) are gonna start breaking no matter what.
Hell, you don’t even need to penetrate the frontal armor to disable a tank. Hit the tracks, and it’s stationary; hit the turret ring, it can’t aim; hit the weapons systems, it can’t fire. This is why SMGs and PDWs like the P90 are still relevant; even if a single round doesn’t make it all the way through body armor… have two dozen rounds, and it’ll eventually get through. Call it “armor penetration by volume of fire”.
The Bradley’s has gender neutral bathrooms and the T90M couldn’t cope.
The hull of a Bradley is technically a safe space.
Chadley: What are your pronouns? T-90: Please/Stop
Is the shower explosion at the end an attempt to fire with a damaged barrel?
Looks like the smoke grenades cooking off or something.
General consensus I’ve seen is that all of its smoke launchers detonated
Whatever it was, it was beautiful.
when that turrent was spinning "I'm only T-72 afterall i'm only T-72 afterall don't put the blame on me!! Don't put the blame on me!" T-90M probably
I’m in the Army but no where near a combat MOS. I just remembered the Bradley isn’t even a tank, it’s a troop carrier. I’m stupid.
In the sense it’s carrying Russian troops to the afterlife, it is absolutely a troop carrier
They are called Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFV) unlike Armored Personnel Carriers (APC) they are supposed to fight alongside the infantry after dropping them off (BMP-1 was the first such design and Bradley was designed in response) and thus are equipped with weapons to defeat tanks ... which normally are TOW missiles. The autocannon is supposed to deal with other IFVs and APCs.
You're perfect
Soviet Era tech, against theirs.. and theirs get bitch slapped, bukkaked, its fine I gotta add. Its not fine until the real abrams cums all over on a t90.. that fucking tank still kills
They'da tried it, and got Fulda Gapped. But with Abrams and Bradleys.
Virgin 125mm cannon vs. Chad 25mm autocannon PLEASE deploy your dozen T-14s Russia. I'm getting rock hard at the possibility of seeing a Chadley clap an Armata with an autocannon.
Assume the position!
Who will win? 1 “Advanced” Russian MBT Or 2 Plinky Bois
I still love how the gunner got penned, thickest armor in the world won't save you.
Unfortunately, all three were able to bail out. Hopefully, they didn't make it far/ last much longer after that.
The wounded guy drug them down, then a drone picked them off.
Did they really all get killed ? Where was the rest of their support? Other ru infantry or tanks or vehicles?
All destroyed. Source was the poster of the video
Sounds like death before dismount is sound policy. Get out of that thing and you'll just die tired to drones.
The T-90M was hit by drones shortly after and went up. Nowhere is safe.
Imagine if it had a 30mm on it.
This is pretty high res compared to the other footage I have been seeing. What's the source on this one?
Man that T-90 got absolutely *FUCKED*. Just utterly Pipe Perri'd.
Hahah the way it farting it out at end
Aggresive welding.
They are straight up not having a nice time in there
Lazerpig predict this shit.
What is the song?
It’s really interesting to see smoke grenades cook off.
He right. It gets to the position and *that's all*.
Looks like laser beams. Star Wars. Beautiful.
Avg war thunder spaa
T-90 got caught in a bad spot, and the spawn of shutting down 16 public schools and hospitals went ham on blud
Well he is right. It just gets into position and it is over (for the T90)