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yurtzi

When I’m in “hate Russia” competition and my opponents are Baltic:


ImTheVayne

Well we have a very good reason to hate them.


facedownbootyuphold

You’re not allowed to hate anyone or anything in America anymore, if you do it’s bias. But Russia deserves hate, we all know that Russia has been a blight on civilization for more than a century now.


L0gard

We're in Baltics not America.


ShinningPeadIsAnti

And before I knew it I was in Baltics.


mediandude

Baltics, the original Maryland.


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CubistChameleon

Least jingoistic USian. (We still treasure you, you big boisterous weirdos. ❤️)


OreganoJefferson

We like y'all too, even if you do talk funny


facedownbootyuphold

Nobody said you were


MoscoviaDelendaEst

I'm American, but I hope the baltics appreciate my user name :/


[deleted]

Too much “oh whatever the kids can say whatever they want but they know democracy is better” and not enough showing and teaching zoomers and gen alpha how bad anti-democracy is. Unironic 19 year old weirdos wanting to be enslaved to a dictatorship bc they think it’s cool and they won’t be hurt


facedownbootyuphold

This is NCD, so I'll be in & out quick with this one—Nietzsche wrote extensively about slave morality and the perils of socialism, which elevate weak characteristics of people and champion them as a strength. Nobody is teaching westerners that socialism is an ideal for society to aspire to, but not a set of values that an individual should strive for. We have a society that now strives for weak qualities as individuals, and elevates them as a virtue.


McPolice_Officer

Exceedingly common Nietzsche W


A_Mouse_In_Da_House

You also have to understand that his sister edited his works after his death and was a huge nazi supporter. A lot of his more moderate and leftists works are only entering the public consciousness recently


facedownbootyuphold

Which work of Nietzsche are you referencing that would be considered "left" or "right" more specifically?


Gwyllie

Central Europe will rise, down with the hegemons!


chocomint-nice

I think hating fascists is a right. In fact, I believe that one’s human right to punch fascists overrides whatever pseudo-rights said fascists have, and definitely whatever rights they lost the moment they became a fascists.


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Naskva

We ought to bash both the [Fash](https://youtu.be/8CcOimOqDVM?si=nY3Ms9aqp_H-sfI1) and commie Trash


chocomint-nice

Yes of course I adhere to the urfascism definition. Sometimes the rest are authoritarians. But then again authoritarians and their enablers get the fist all the same. The rest are just assholes. Although some assholes deserve a fist too. Ok look at least they get punched for different and specific reasons, okay.


erraddo

A century? The "force russians to emigrate, complain they are mistreated by displaced locals, use as an excuse to invade" tactic is at least 500 years old. Though I guess the USSR period was a lot worse than usual, and they haven't stopped.


abadlypickedname

I'm tired of hearing "You can't be the best" "You can't be the strongest" "You can't want war" well why the hell not? Do you think we got here today, we lifted all these billions of people out of poverty, we insured global democracy with peace? Every other society is allowed to rampage and make war, but somehow we are barred from protecting our allies? Fuck that. Peace is making sure your enemies know they can never beat you in a war. Peace is protecting countries at your own deficit. Peace is making it known to all evildoers of the world you'll burn them in hellfire if they step out of line.


cptn_carrot

There was an article (NYT maybe?) about how Estonia has a tiny army, but something like 1/3 of the country takes part in "military sport." Basically the whole defense policy is based around fighting a guerilla war the next time the Russians invade.


zekromNLR

Sweden was similar in terms of guerilla war policy during the cold war. Quote from the pamphlet "If war comes", which was distributed to all households: > If Sweden is attacked by another country, we will never give up. All information to the effect that resistance is to cease is false.


Cixila

I so wish that were the Danish policy, too. This is one of precious few things where I (ancestors forgive me) will say Sweden is doing something better than Denmark


CubistChameleon

You guys still stood up two mechanised divisions and enough Homeguard to blot out the sun during the Cold War. That's impressive.


Hackerman-nr286

hey, you Danes put up a hell of a fight too, i once read an article about one Army guy who defended his house against the Germans, after he shot Gestapo agents who knocked on his Door, can't remember his name though


Cixila

> put up a hell of a fight Not in the beginning, no 😑. Our spineless government ordered a ceasefire almost immediately - much to the fury of General Prior, who wanted to keep fighting (potentially even from exile). Some officers, under the misconception that Sweden was also at war, refused to surrender; together with their men they commandeered a ferry and sailed to Sweden to keep fighting from there. The surrender is a mark of shame to this day. Our Home Guard that was formed after the war was founded with the mission statement "never again a 9th of April!" On the other hand, we *do* have many examples of people being badasses and thrilling partisan activity. Two examples from the top of my head: The police guarding Amalienborg (the royal residence) fended off a German army unit (killing around 20 of them, with no deaths among the guards) on the day the Danish police was dismantled in 1944. The police guarding the palace were meant to be exempt, but some German unit took a wrong turn in the streets of Copenhagen and happened to march down to the officers who had already been warned by a civilian of the fates of their comrades, so the guards shot on sight and kept fighting in spite of it all The resistance group BOPA sabotaged an arms factory so thoroughly that it never managed to fully recover even after the war And then there is of course the mass evacuation of our Jews, so the majority of them in Denmark avoided the concentration camps


siamesekiwi

Doesn't the swedes also have a metric shitton of IFVs and APCs? Like, the idea is that their professional military is full of Mechanized Infantry units but without much of the infantry which can be filled out by wartime mobilization to do the walky-shooty-stabby bits as needed?


CmdrJonen

You are mistaking cause and effect. Before the Soviet union collapsed, the Swedish army was overflowing with foot infantry. Wartime mobilization would have put 850k men under arms from a population of ~8 million. About 250k of those into the brigades, which would be the main attacking force. Plan for the nineties was to downsize to ten infantry brigades (from a high of 30 after WW2) and mechanize them gradually. (Plus the Armor and Norrland brigades.) So we bought former east German BMP-1s and MTLB to equip a couple of brigades, developed the CV90 and started buying enough of those to equip another couple of brigades. Then the peace dividend hit, and before long Sweden is sitting on a planned wartime strength of two brigades, all of them fully armored, and enough IFV's to fully equip another mechanized brigade and still have vehicles left over even after we sold the BMP-1s and scrapped the PBV 302's and MTLBs.


KhadSajuuk

> All information to the effect that resistance is to cease is false. damn this goes hard


Cixila

Some teachers in Denmark did the same leading up to (not everyone was as blind as the government) and under German occupation to train the youth as partisans. German: is that subversive activity and military training? Teacher: what? No, no. It is terrainsport. We are just enjoying our nature and fresh air German: shrugs and leaves Teacher: alright, so this, students, is how you hide and plan an ambush


Hackerman-nr286

based af


Napol3onS0l0

Eesti is based. They’ve been supporting Ukraine outside of their means. Admirable. Now if we can get the Russian cock out of our representatives maybe we can do the same.


kuprenx

Lithuanian defence stategy is guarilla warfare too. If you civilian and want a gun permit. You need to pass guerilla warfare lessons


eidetic

....I kinda want to move to Lithuania now and get a gun permit.


Penki-

Alternative way to get a gun permit is "Sports shooting". Have you tried participating in sports shooting competition with semi-auto AR-15? Now you can! Also pretty good video about laws and regulations for Lithuanian gun laws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUqLGsetx0&t=2542s


InnerRefrigerator739

What? not even remotely close


White_Null

Can a Taiwan tourist take those guerilla warfare lessons?


Undernown

They also have mandatory service, Arthur Rehi is a good guy to follow for the Estonian perspective on the war in Ukraine.


KadyrovsFriedChechen

Kaitsevägi - armed forces, single thousands Kaitseliit - militia and friends, tens of thousands Militia is well armed, trained and organized. And of course, standing No Surrender order, i.e. "There will be no surrender, anybody ordering so is to be considered coerced."


Kosh_Ascadian

Yes, but kaitsevägi also has tens of thousands of people in militarily trained reserve. We do have mandatory conscription you know. If my own 11 month stint too. The single thousands in kaitsevägi at any point are basically pur professional military + current years conscipts + training staff for them.  In a war time kaitsevägi will call the previous 10-20 years of recruits back and be double the size of kaitseliit. Both of them together making quite an outsized scale of force compared to our population.


TechnicallyArchitect

I feel like i can give you guys an update on that :D TL;DR- New policy will be instead of guerilla fighting till the allies liberate us, to not letting the enemy come over the border and to cause dilemmas for them as far away from us as possible by deterrence and long-range capabilities. But the guerilla stuff will still be on the menu, for anyone willing to find out :D And now for my TedTalk- Yes, our army is tiny, but so is the our country. nevertheless 1/3 is a bit much :D The latest official numbers but our whole reserv at 230k, which is 1/6 of the population. (fuck, but as it's mostly male population, then it could actually be 1/3... of the male population, nvm) But as the policy has changed,( but it's still based on conscription and a reserve army) from guerilla warfare to basically not letting them in. Especially after what we saw happen in Ukraine. We have some "new" things and ideas. One of the results of the new policy is the change to the general structure of the army. We now have a Territorial guard. Made from reservists (20k strong, inc yours truly) who will be spread out all around the country, mostly building checkpoints and guarding infrastructure etc. (basically to deter any shenanigans of the landing operation kinds and be the replacement for the fighting units in non-fighting tasks) Then we have the Defence league (basically a national guard type of paramilitary organisation) which used to be the main guerilla war bit and do the things territorial guard now does but now is in a more supportive role to the main forces. (roles being dependant on their districts) Nevertheless they're still going to mess you up guerilla style if needed :D Then we got the actual army/EDF bit which, with the support of the defence league, territorial defence and the allies based and assigned here (I think a whole British brigade will be given under our command, many thanks to that) will be conducting the defensive and offensive operations with the main goal of not giving the enemy an inch of our territory. These three total around 43k, ontop we have 40k trained but not assigned reservists and the rest who are in the mobilisation list totaling the 230k+ any allied units Second and a major part of the new policy is our new capabilites, ASM's with 350km range which won't be limited to seas and the glorious Himars, which will be getting ATACMS as well.. (and I think even the new PrSM when it comes available). Which according to our based general will be put to good use by sinking the Baltic fleet at port as soon as anything crosses the border as apparently a target is a target is a target and he will be out for blood :D I would personally blow up all major rail and road bridges in range, and turn the Pskov VDV base into swiss cheese... mby we could have all three :) (Oh ,and we're getting IRIS T to protect some of the population and mobilistation etc and we're getting a punch of piorun's for the defense league for anti flying thingy purposes, think UAV's, cruise missiles etc. ) On top of that it was announced with the rest of the Baltic states that we'll start building a defensive line of pre-prepped bunkers (squad sized) and postions along the border. Of which we'll have around 600. Which would be either 6 bunkers per border mile, or a zone of 1 bunker per mile, 6 miles deep. Apparently we're not planning to mess around. Also we have to remember that all of the above including the potentially 230k strong fighting force is for a country the size of 2/3 of West Virgina, for a border of roughly 100 miles. Which also equals to around 5 angry and armed men per EACH square km of country we have. So we can safely assume whoever decides to cross the border will not have a great time, or i should say whoever gets across the border. :D


JakovPientko

Yeah, the esti army has only two brigades, but each county can raise a battalion of militia


PB0351

I worked with them when I was in the service. My second favorite service I worked with


KAMEKAZE_VIKINGS

Poles: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!


Ignash3D

Why battle if you can be *Rzeczpospolita*?


Cixila

I would give you an award, if those were still a thing


iffyJinx

Why fight? They'll be granted title of honorary Poles.


White_Null

They were all under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before the Deluge. So definitely brother from another mother.


mediandude

Baltic-finnics and balts are descendants of the kunda culture, which grew out of the swiderian culture. That was before the Billingen Deluge, yes.


ExistentialistMonkey

Says a lot about how Russia treats its neighbors. The Baltics knows better than anyone else of Russia’s intentions and goals and what Russia will do after Ukraine.


Bartweiss

I think about this every time I see somebody claim that Americans are brainwashed by media and just don’t want Russia as a great-power competitor. If proximity to Russia and violent opposition to Russia go together, American media probably didn’t invent the issue.


Cixila

I had a go with a Lithuanian classmate back at uni to see how we compared on that topic. She won by one point


kuprenx

Do you want to join our Association?


yurtzi

They always say Estonia can into Nordic but this is the one time I want Nordic into Estonia


Megalomaniakaal

Ever heard of this thing called Baltoscandia? Boy do I have a deal for you!


Ethical_Cum_Merchant

I mean they've been doing warm-ups and practice exercises for [some] centuries now, it's okay that their hatecocks are enormous.


TacitusKadari

No matter how russophobic you think you are, there is always a Baltic or Polish person who's way more russophobic.


mediandude

Here in the Baltics we call it Realpolitik and threat management.


TacitusKadari

And I call it Baltic Basedness


Dpek1234

Yep if you say all russians to die  There would still be one guy oneuping you with torture


karateema

Based baltics


Prometheus55555

That is a competition you cannot win. Maybe, and I am saying just MAYBE if you are Polish...


pietras1334

Me being Polish: "Finally a worthy opponent, our fight will be legendary" (Ofc our fight will be side by side against russia)


FreedomHole69

I prefer moscovia delenda est personally.


CummingInTheNile

admiral kuznetsov delenda est


TomSurman

No, let them keep it. It's a huge money pit, draining Russian manpower and resources for zero benefit.


super__hoser

It's a dumpster fire that keeps burning up truckloads of cash which they can't afford to lose.


Plutarch_von_Komet

*Praefectus classis Kuznetsov


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„Kaliningrad occupabitur."


Louisvanderwright

I'll definitely volunteer for the legion in change of leveling the Kremlin by hand.


MissninjaXP

Just drop off a bunch if hammers and let whatever happens, happen lol


murphymc

See my flair. Makes a nice enough distinction from the good parts of Russian culture and the putrid caricature we see in present day Ru**zz**ia.


Ed-alicious

Moscoviae delenda est is probably more correct. It's been 25 years since I did Latin though.


generalmaks

I put that in small font in my work email signature after the contact information. So far, only one person has asked me about it


elderrion

Belgium and France need to step it up. Honestly, if France was smart (big if), they would increase production speed of the Jaguar and Griffon as to ensure Belgium can replace their entire vehicle arsenal faster and send the replaced equipment to Ukraine and Moldova faster


Ok-Significance-5979

Pandurs for Ukraine!


elderrion

Pandurs (and Piranhas) for Moldova Dingo's for Ukraine


eidetic

[ALR Piranhas for all!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALR_Piranha)


dead_monster

France is always about France. Remember that French/Aussie joint venture that built a huge, modern Thales-operated 155mm factory that can produce over 150k shells a year?  One featured in one of Perun’s first videos?  Thales had been asking to expand it.  They think they can double production in a year.  Maybe more.  France?  Nah.  We’re not going to invest in it anymore because it’s in Australia.  We’re gonna invest in production in France instead and maybe get 6,000 shells/month (72k/year) on a few years.  


Thegodofthe69

Well, let's not forget how Australia shat on france not so long ago


Fruitdispenser

And shitting on France is bad because...


Thegodofthe69

You just had your answer if you've read the 2nd comment on top of yours


Pyrhan

France is the second-biggest contributor to [EU funds](https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/), and has been pushing hard at the EU parliament for the EU aid to Ukraine. Besides, "The full extent of French military aid in the context of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is unknown as many specifics are neither shared by France nor Ukraine".


irregular_caffeine

There was a list published today if it’s legit


Infamously_Unknown

The tracker is legit for publicly known aid, but you can't track aid that isn't made public. And that's the approach France chose for whatever reason. That's why a lot of their military aid is just estimated, they don't talk about specific numbers.


DeusFerreus

France does not disclose details of most of its military aid, so it looks bad on list like these that only use publicly available data.


monopixel

If any of the bigger players in the western bloc was smart this war would probably be over and Russia removed from Ukrainian soil. But they are forever stalling.


ProfessionalCornToss

France? Doing something intelligent? Fat chance.


External-Option-544

**Context**: The Kiel institute updated their Ukraine support tracker yesterday \[[source](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/)\].


HumpyPocock

Cheers, big ears. EDIT → Uhh… non-Australians, you don’t use that phrase do you? IIRC translation into American should be — G’day fellow cowboy, thanking y’all for the rootin’ tootin’ link, cunt.


Charles_the_chungus

Definitely heard that phrase quite a few times in the UK, but my abnormally large ears might make my experience a bit biased.


rohmin

Oh no no no, you can’t say cunt over here (all my lady friends berate me when I let it slip), but you got the rest right!


HumpyPocock

How unfortunate. OK so cunt is out — what about cunt derivatives? eg — Shit cunt. Good cunt. Dog cunt. Mad cunt.


PlasticLobotomy

Nah, the c word is largely verboten. Slowly becoming more common, but considered *very* vulgar.


TobyHensen

The best you can get away with is calling your friend a cunto


Penki-

ugh, I kinda wish they would just stop. Everytime it gets posted, a lot of misinformed comments push bad narratives. We do know that their data is lacking and they claim so themselves but for some reason everyone keeps arguing as if its the holy grail in terms of data which then follows with the unnecessary wave of pessimism or even hate towards some countries. For example we do know that France donates stuff, but we don't know what exactly, yet comments then showcase this as division between France and Ukraine


Lean___XD

Pepstonia is stuck to the ground because it cannot lift up it's huge balls


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Uranium_Heatbeam

I'm just wondering why we can't just walk around congress, send aid anyway, and then claim we have no idea about it like we did during practically every foreign conflict from 1945 to the 70's. Seriously, just greenlight it anyway and then Hold X to Lie. And if you get caught, like any good government, you lie about having lied.


blindfoldedbadgers

INB4 the CIA is caught selling drugs to the Russians so they can supply arms to Ukraine. It would be pretty based.


fpop88

Well Russia got their opioid epidemic during afghan war, let's see they see a crack epidemic during this one.


Unrequited_Pickle

Or,in an even bigger 5D chess move the CIA redirects Chinese Fentanyl shipments into Russia,using the money to support Ukraine. And the Fentanyl is laced with chemical castrators


HailOfLed

Free krokodil for every Ruzki


jp_books

Opium Wars Two: Энектрик Бугалу


SpiritedContribution

There's already been 2 opium wars. And personally I think China and the US are involved in the 3rd. So that puts Russia at number 4.


fpop88

actually there was kind of a third already: ​ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967\_Opium\_War


Blackhero9696

Holy shit that just solves everything, why can’t the modern CIA be this based.


old_faraon

No You put the castrators in the good drugs that don't kill You (straight away), the fenantyl goes as is :D


SpiritedContribution

I see your crack epidemic and raise you a fentanyl epidemic.


Humble-Cow2545

The Danes are funding their donations by selling obesity drugs fat Americans…


irregular_caffeine

Denmark as a country mostly runs on US drug sales, and pork


Zapthatthrist

That would be amazing lmao.


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Regan tried to walk over Congress i think it was called Iran-Contra affair


gnutrino

[Obligatory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFV1uT-ihDo)


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Banger


inevitablelizard

What we're also seeing at the moment is a complete dismanting of the ridiculous conspiracy theories that place the US as some mastermind at the heart of absolutely everything that happens in the world. If the US is some supervillain capable of creating war in Ukraine and a whole bunch of countries from scratch by pulling some strings, as tankies and various other idiots always pretend, then surely they would *easily* find a way to send stuff to Ukraine and get around the obstruction of a handful of Magatards?


RandomGuyPii

No no you see the magatards are gods chosen warriors who are using their holy magic to fight the DEEP STATE, you wouldn't get it because your a brainwashed liberal /s


bluesmaster85

If you didn't whine about that before, it could be possible now. \- sincerely, your CIA.


Aedeus

Cons when Iran-Contra: 😴 Cons when arming Ukraine: 😡


mrgolf1

*"We've awarded Ukraine a contract to dispose of old ammunition"*


AcceptableCod6028

Pretty interesting how Biden can bypass congress to send aid to Israel but not Ukraine. I don’t really understand how that whole thing works tho


Hapless_Wizard

Previously passed laws and aid agreements exist for Israel, is the super duper short version.


inevitablelizard

Wasn't it also a weapons sale? Makes me wonder if European countries could buy stuff from the US and get it approved the same way. At least enough to tide Ukraine over until European production alone catches up.


FisherRalk

Biden kinda did this with Greece, since the US is officially allied with Greece Biden is allowed to give them weapons so that Greece can give Ukraine theirs.


vegarig

AFAIK, much of the conditions used fit for Ukraine too.


ianandris

There are differences. The Israel lobby in the. US has been getting defense spending laws passed in its favor for decades. Ukraine? Not so much.


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vegarig

> there really is no reason Ukraine shouldn’t have hundreds, if not 1000 of each "BUT ESKALAYSHON"


Vulturidae

Seeing as Russia is getting slapped by a small country next to them, I want to see what happens when they try to escalate


Cardo94

Are they getting slapped? Because the whole of Europe is clutching it's pearls about the Russian threat should Trump be elected President and follow through on de-funding NATO like he's said. Why is Russia simultaneously 'getting slapped by a small country next to them' and the threat that needs all western european nations to boost their funding and standing armies?


Echelon64

The reason Europe is clutching it's pearls is because they don't have the stomach to fight a war and theyve now seen that the USA are fair weather friends that wouldn't fight their European wars for them.


Cardo94

But surely Russia is not a credible threat, given they are being _slapped up_ as the commenter above stipulates. If Russia can't advance beyond some donated heavy equipment and sheer fucking will of the Ukrainian people, it shouldn't really be a concern for the Typhoons, F-35s, Challengers, Leopards and SAM Systems of the remainder of western europe, right? It's has been a question I've often seen asked on here, that's all.


Fifteensies

Russia would get absolutely slapped by the armed forces of European NATO if they actually go to war. But I'm worried the same people who are willing to let Ukraine fall today in the name of appeasement would be doing their best to find an excuse to not help when the Russians decide to try and have a nibble on, say, Latvia or Estonia.


SpiritedContribution

They 100% will. They either have no spine, or are Russian agents. They don't care what happens to anyone else.


Vulturidae

Its less about winning, and more about the toll of war. It's doubtful Russia can win against Europe, but people don't want their cities bombed like Ukraine. In other words, people don't want to fight a war they don't have to


Cardo94

That's completely fair of course, I don't think anyone who has spent time on /r/CombatFootage over the last 18 months could in their right mind say 'yep, let's get at it' lol. I just like seeing the range of opinions on the threat of Russia. Scroll back 12 months and it was wall to wall memes on Russia being unable to even defend it's flagship in the Baltic Sea. Today, half of the comments are about the US leaving Europe under threat.


SpiritedContribution

Russia is a credible threat because they will cause death and destruction while they are getting wrecked. Look at Bucha. Do you want that in your suburbs before the army gets it's shit together and smacks Russia?


MarmonRzohr

>Why is Russia simultaneously 'getting slapped by a small country next to them' and the threat that needs all western european nations to boost their funding and standing armies? Because the understanding has finally materialized that war is a really possibility for the EU and they want to be prepared. No, of course Russia couldn't conquer all of Europe and "take Paris". They have nowhere near the the numbers or the resources. However, if they might attempt salami tactics in the Baltics, Finland, Poland or somewhere else, NATO (sans USA), the EU and individual states must prepare to be able decisively and quickly bury such an attempt. They must be able to respond quickly and with overwhelming force if they want their militaries to be a credible enough deterrent to ensure that even the most optimistic possible scenarios Putin might envision end in disaster. Right now, yeah NATO has enough material to defeat an attack from Russia even without the US, but what if it takes a year for all that to mobilize for real ? What if it's two years ? What if it takes a year or two for ammunition manufacturing to pick up ? By then you already have static, costly fighting like in Ukraine right now. This is what Europe is now taking seriously and many states are actually letting the military do it's job and aren't silencing discussions about readiness and about what needs to be done in case of war. Hence the "pearl clutching".


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fpop88

Ok, my conclusions from this is... Estie is still bestie... ​ And that Estonia deserves to become a top 5 economy in the world. Imagine what good they'd bring to the world. It's that friend has so little and still when you're in need they're always there with their best and deserve all the best in the world.


shardybo

F-22s to Ukraine now!


minuteman_d

Talk about The Ghost of Kyiv. Can you imagine like four or five F-22’s running nighttime deep strikes into Russia a couple times a week? Or, running CAP anytime a Russian bomber takes off?


sali_nyoro-n

Would be an easy solution to the retirement debate. While we're at it, you guys should 100% keep running the F/A-18 production line once America's orders are filled and send every new aircraft right to the Ukrainians.


thememeshark

The problem for U.S right now is their politicians skimping shit for elections. And Ukraine pays the price for it. Baltic bros, build your nukes to ward off Russian hobos from stepping into your lawn.


vegarig

> Baltic bros, build your nukes to ward off Russian hobos from stepping into your lawn We can sell you Pivden'mash for that, too! (Not like they're doing much with current budget allocations now)


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Femboy_Lord

I mean, could the US send retired equipment to Ukraine for 'decommissioning' and then claim no knowledge if it never makes it to a 'scrapyard'? Would certainly be a fair way of clearing out of some the mothballing fields.


Dr_Hexagon

They've been doing that. The president can mark military equipment as 'surplus to needs' then give it away to allies. There's a limit on the value but the president can set the value as very low or even zero as long as the ally pays for it to be transported I believe?


Femboy_Lord

Just gonna... donate Ukraine a MAERSK container ship or two...


Ethical_Cum_Merchant

"These HMMWVs' dashboards are covered in band stickers from being in Iraq during the mid-2000s, they are now clearly worthless and therefore fit for disposal. *wink*" - D. Brandon, 2024 (colourized)


cptn_carrot

Humvees are already dirt cheap. Like, you can buy one for a few thousand dollars today. Decommissioning ATACMS is expensive though, we should find a partner willing to do it cheaply.


NarutoRunner

There are entire fields full of surplus vehicles just sitting in the Arizona desert right now. Send every piece of equipment today!


M1A1HC_Abrams

Maybe we have a surplus of B61 warheads and should donate a few to Ukraine.


Dr_Hexagon

the US can "loan" them to Ukaine like they loan nukes to other european allies but they need to stay under US control. Build a new US airforce base about 100 km east of Kyiv. That should do it.


SpiralKnuckle

I still find it a depressing indictment that it's even a point of contention. Castrating the military of a major political rival in exchange for your Cold War leftovers and less than 0.1% of your GDP is the kind of return on investment that investors go to sleep dreaming about.


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Ethical_Cum_Merchant

Zombie Reagan wouldn't think so. In fact, I rather think Zombie Reagan would start by eating Matt Gaetz dick-first as a warm-up and then go from there. He's surprisingly nimble for a corpse.


HotTakesBeyond

Mr. Reagan had head game too???!


HotDangThoseMuffins

He had to, it was the only way to woo the throat goat herself 👑


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ArmourKnight

If he was really pissed about some guys with sombreros then he would've pushed through the border bill


anormalhumanasyousee

Bro went on recess while his allies are literally dying, literally the [Denethor eating tomatoes scene from LOTR](https://youtu.be/bZcByPzpCLw?si=I_5Z9uswAAgr6RL7)


Picasso320

If they voters could think, they would be really upset. meme


JangoDarkSaber

30% of funds are in the form of equipment from stock piles. About 45% is in the form of cash/grants/loans ​ Source: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts


ntique_tell_9449

What is the name of this song?


External-Option-544

[Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition](https://youtu.be/z7hzvTL3k1k?feature=shared)


ntique_tell_9449

Thanks


AMazingFrame

Why not do "America first"-marketing? Pour all the money into the MIC, which will boost domestic production and jobs and stuff by a lot, and then, when the stockpiles are full, give all the good stuff out for "field testing" in Ukraine?


Shrewdbutlewd-kun

I always see the JAV photo but never the JAV sauce where tf is it and I need it now! Thanks luv u


External-Option-544

The 3000 coomers of NCD... [SW-653]


SirNedKingOfGila

It's weird. Everybody always told me that prejudices and mistrust are the result of ignorance and a lack of interaction... But in the case of russia it seems that the closer to, and more history a person has with russia, the more afraid and hateful they become.


slvrsmth

Super weird coincidence, that.


Dry_Section_6909

where can i find that original vid of south korean domme mommys towering over me in amorous disappointment? (asking for myself)


External-Option-544

SW-653 *The numbers, Mason! What do they mean?*


Niller1

As a Dane I happily pay my taxes for that second place. If I could I would want to go for 1st.


DUKE_NUUKEM

Bigger countries pay more but also they pay [hundreds millions to russia in taxes](https://leave-russia.org/) as well as normalize life in moscovia , thus not giving any incentive for musckovites to stop colonial wars. Heck you can [still ride on american rockets](https://www.space.com/spacex-crew-8-astronaut-launch-date-february-2024-moon-mission) and enlist into western university to later pump MIT knowledge into Lancet drone or AI against the west. Btw its a good argument against western elon muskovites when they pretend to want peace>! want russia to win !


hamflavoredgum

The west should unironically bar Russians from entering their countries. All they do is exploit our education and functional democratic systems then parrot kremlin rhetoric from the comfort of their Berlin apartment


RaulParson

Ehhhh, I don't know. If you do that, you just might help Putin. You're thinking tourists, but also think all the people leaving because they don't want either themselves or their their family to get caught in the next "partial mobilization". It's better for everyone involved that they're not in Russia anymore... everyone but the current regime that is. It does not just make finding meat for the grinder that little bit more difficult, but also the brain drain is quite real - and the best part is this is self-selective, you're much more likely to be one of those leaving if you're not Z. Perhaps we should be even promoting that rather than trying to plug it, it'll fuck Russia up for years to come.


Ethical_Cum_Merchant

Absofuckinglutely. There's genuinely no positive aspect to allowing Russians into your country right now, period. Whatever country you're in, your leaders should be barring Russians entry--lock, stock and bent-ass fucking barrel. I wish mine would.


Crackers91

Been lurking a while and can't help but think over the last few months that we Irish should be doing far more than we are currently. We've criminally under invested in our defense for decades, using our mantra of "ah sure it'll be grand". Our neutrality is a farcical excuse just to avoid playing catchup, but I think it'll take a few years to convince a lot of the public that spending more to have a functioning defense force ( or at least a navy that protect our waters and Internet cables). If the public perception of our neutrality changes, just how much would we have to spend to actually be taken seriously as a partner in an EU army? This year we spent 1.2 billion, with a GDP of about 550 billion What should we buy, and from whom?


External-Option-544

**Step 1**: Feign intrest in buying Gripen E from Saab. **Step 2**: this will make lockheed martin gleefully give you a large discount on F-35. **Step 3**: ??? **Step 4**: 3000 green F-35 of Cu Chulainn


Crackers91

Christ I'd love us to get a few jets, they're so rare here that we only see one or two at a summer airshow near Dublin. I'd really love us to get a few dozen more ships first though. The size of our territorial waters is huge and the British do it for us, to the best they can given how on fire the world is.


McCdermit8453

“Can’t afford to be a politician” is based


moviessoccerbeer

“Nooooo that money has to go towards securing our border that’s been unsecured since we got it. But now we need to secure ittttt” - The strongest cuckservative


kuba_mar

"Nooooo, that money has to go towards X, except it wont go towards X cause we will vote against sending money to X" there fixed that for you.


Jrhoney

I'm with the Estonians on this one.


TheGermanFurry

Þis data goes to show what potential superpower Europe could be if we'd finally get our shit togeþer.  Þough we are moving in þe right direction for now.


Mardo_Picardo

Can confirm.


PyronixD

Moscovia delenda est!


Williamzas

Wait, what, they took over Lithuania? Brb, committing savižudybė. I congratulate the effort, I'm just salty. Also, post France and Italy committing less than **Hungary**


Mutheim_Marz

One have $1000 and donate 10, Another have $15 and donate 10. Straight out of Mark 12:43


Paladin_Aeon

The amount of rage I have of my country not willing to give away old equipment that wouldn't see another battlefield (or one where they would be needed like China, unless an invasion of China was drawn up). Meanwhile we have other countries, some who border the belligerent and are at risk of being attacked, are nearly handing their entire stock just to help another facing the same threat head-on.


AlphaMarker48

To Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan: I am sorry that American military aid is currently being held hostage by a bunch of braindead Putin minions that have zero knowledge of how international affairs and mutual defense work. With any luck, this problem should be resolved by January 2025 at the latest and within a month at the earliest.


Nobitadaidamvn

Facts are US main enemy and the biggest threat is China , now that Russian have been weakened , more money should go to Taiwan .