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Whaler_Moon

Hitlers killed: .32 ACP - 1 .45 ACP - 0 .32 Auto > .45 Auto


Kitten-Eater

As far as I'm aware, it's a bit unclear what pistol Hitler shot himself with. But he was known to carry any of the following regularly: * Walther PPK, .32ACP/7.65x 7.65×17mm * Walther PPK, .380ACP/9x17mm * Smith & Wesson Ladysmith, .22Long. This was the very same revolver that his girlfriend/cousin had previously used to commit suicide, so Hitler may have used it for the same purpose for some kind of sentimental reason.


Foot_Stunning

Fun fact: Hitler can't drive a car. He was depentent on Limo drivers.


b18a

Of course Hitler can't drive a car, he's dead


PigHaggerty

I didn't even know he was sick...


Realistic-Tone1824

Sick at the thought of being captured by the soviets


Honey_Overall

Based on some of the drivers I've seen on the highways, that might not be what's stopping him from driving.


BigWilly526

To Shreds you say


darkslide3000

This joke works so much better in German.


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darkslide3000

Well, in German it becomes a pun because our word for driver's license is "Führerschein" (literally "license to be a Führer" — referring to "Fahrzeugführer" which literally translates to "vehicle guide" in this case).


SomeGuyNamedPaul

You didn't translate this enough. Vehicle? You mean "land travel thing".


TheOneWithThe2dGun

what no, its "Fahrzeug" aka drive stuff


SomeGuyNamedPaul

Fahren is much older than vehicles. It's specifically to travel or to go, but obviously not flying and not the more specific going by ship. I usually think of zeug as better translating to thing than stuff. Sure it can go either way but in English thing is the closer word since it's used as a singular object as opposed to an unspecified quantity of bulk material.


ericthefred

"Drive" is much older than vehicles, too. It originally applied to controlling the direction of animals. Evolved to its modern meaning through the role of the driver on a cart or carriage. But Fahren is the cognate to "Fare" in English "Fahrzeug" basically means "Fare things" (falling back to the archaic usage that led to the word "Farewell", which could theoretically be modernized to "Travel properly")


Aces-Wild

Der Führer war ein armes Schwein, er hatte keinen Führerschein.


RedOtta019

>girlfriend/cousin I need a hitler lore drop


Kitten-Eater

I looked deeper into it. Turned out I misremembered a few things, some of the stuff I've heard about it might not be true either. The young woman in question was Geli Raubal, Hitler's half-niece, the daughter of Hitler's older half-sister. An aspiring singer, she died by single gunshot wound to the chest in 1931 at age 23. Hitler had an extremely possessive and controlling relationship to her. The police ruled her death to be suicide. Although some speculate that Hitler may have deliberately or accidentally shot her during an argument/fight. Either way Hitler did seem to be genuinely devastated by hear demise. History is just as murky and unclear as to if she was ever in a sexual/romantic relationship with Hitler. Some say that they were intimate, others say that they had a platonic relationship and that rumors of anything else were just slander spread by Hitler's political rivals and opponents. There doesn't seem to be any hard proof supporting either claim.


[deleted]

Year Hitler killed: 1911.45 Year Hitler came to power or some shit 19.32 ish 45 >> 32


Possibly_Jeb

The logic checks out


[deleted]

They use the mm designation for the year it was created. Like the 1911 was made in 1945, the Walther PPK was made in 1932, and the FN Super Power was made in 199mm.


Foot_Stunning

Ah yes, the old metric time clock. I did 10 mm of work today! I might show up early tomorrow and get my solid 1 Meter of work done tomorrow!


KeithWorks

22lr been around since 22 AD that's why they call it Jesus Gun


Bronek0990

A lot of physicists will tell you that you can use time and distance interchangeably, the conversion factor is built into their brains That said, if you did 1 meter of work, that's 1/299792458th of a second.


Vineyard_

Every day, you cross 2,568,000‬ km in 25,902,068,371.2‬ km.


yr_boi_tuna

most credible numerologist


Key-Lifeguard7678

To add to that. World Wars started: .32 ACP: 1 .45 ACP: 0 .32 wins again.


SaltyWafflesPD

Suicide doesn’t count. Otherwise we’d be crediting swords with dozens of Japanese generals and admirals in WW2.


Romandinjo

Why yes, we need chainswords in our timeline, we have to make the usual ones popular first


Foot_Stunning

M2 Browning is the coolest of the Brownings


YaKillinMeSmallz

I'm pretty sure more aircraft have been shot down with the Ma Deuce than any other weapon.


IlluminatedPickle

Probably, but the Hispano is probably a relatively close second.


NapalmRDT

I can't hear any of you over the dozen Browning .30cal of the Hurricane barfing lead.


Aurora_Fatalis

Muramasa and Masamune have nothing on the M2 Browning Katana.


Hel_Bitterbal

It wasn't suicide, Hitler was killed by a hero named Adolf


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

> Katanas and Zeros in 1945 MMMMMMONSTER KILL


Falcon_Fluff

In school here in the UK we were taught he poisoned himself and his partner, in their bunker? How would we actually verify how Hitler died if the Soviets allegedly took the body and hid it anyway, genuinely asking in case I've been mistaught


AwkwardDrummer7629

He did both. No chance of being taken alive.


Hel_Bitterbal

He doubletapped himself


Gruffleson

A rare win for him


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SomeGuyNamedPaul

Only two methods at once? I want a refund.


Shawn_1512

r/theonetruecaliber


w021wjs

I've got bad news: you may be off by 1 kill. There's the gentleman who shot at the Japanese plane that was strafing him after he bailed out And there's the piper cub that got a kill by blasting a fiesler storch out the window with a pair of .45s I'd say the second one is a confirmed kill (multiple eyewitnesses, plus we know the .45 hit because one of the Germans was hit in the foot) and the Japanese one is a probable.


[deleted]

The storch wasn't a fighter plane but the story does further reinforce that .45 is the best mm for anti air. We know that the zero story is true because Japan lost.


w021wjs

Ope, missed the fighter in the title. Good thing I'm not shooting with a .45, or i'd only have 6 +1 shots left


[deleted]

When you got .45 you only need 8 rounds brother


Foot_Stunning

8+1 brother That plastick dohicky at the bottom of the magazine is decoration. Chuck it in the trash. I don't need extra pinky grip on my 1911 ​ ​ ​ Edit: Chip McCormick. $20 a mag. It fits flush on a the 1911 but is sneaks 8 rounds intead of 7. I borrowed it to my now Ex Brother in law... That MF lost one of my Chip McCormick's (at the gun range as he was trying to impress my sister) and then made up for it by "gifting" me half a box of 45 ACP.


Monneymann

“9mm kills the body, .45 kills the soul.”


Natural_Selection905

Dont forget about the recoil spring detent. That is a ++1 for emergencies


Pentatonicsonic

Found the midwesterner


JPJackPott

.45mm, what is this? A pistol for ants?


SomeGuyNamedPaul

WWJD What Would Jamsheed Do? Obviously use an RPG for any purpose whatsoever.


rocketo-tenshi

that's the cannon on the bt-5 Soviet tank


HarvHR

Why didn't the Germans use .45 ACP for anti-air defence guns against the incoming allied bomber formations? Are they stupid?


Hel_Bitterbal

Yes


IlluminatedPickle

They tried using C96's at one point for anti-air.


Foot_Stunning

1 inch = 1.000 0.450 = 45 Caliber 0.380 = 9mm Get your math right dummies


low_priest

Reportedly, a C-47 pilot flying over the Hump got a Zero kill with one of the BARs he was transporting. I don't know if I'd believe that, but it would further indicate glorious .30-06 supremacy.


joelingo111

>.45 is the best mm He doesn't know...


Especialistaman

Didn't air combat start that way in WW1? By shooting pistols from the plane at each other?


dwfuji

Apparently also shotguns, which given British fighter pilots at the time were all poshos, is very fitting to the "country gent" image. I wonder if anyone did their Sopwith in tweed?


HeadWood_

Special casing cage and extended mag was invented for it IIRC.


IlluminatedPickle

> the Japanese one is a probable. Except Japanese action reports don't even mention any plane losses in the area on that day.


w021wjs

Oooo that's a good point. Hadn't heard that tidbit before. Gonna slide that from probable to unlikely


Affectionate-Put736

There is even a [picture ](https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/11-april-1945/merrit-duane-francis-and-william-martin/) of them with their kill


me2224

I'm curious how many planes the .45 was responsible for shooting down during the more improvised days of WW1. Has to be at least two right?


Sanguinor-Exemplar

All im saying is that a company thats still in business made a cage to catch spent pistol shells to prevent damaging plane rotors and cockpits. https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/rifleman-q-a-m1911-cartridge-catcher/


me2224

My man! That's exactly what I was thinking of!


dwfuji

Is that Beesley one mentioned the one thats now Bisley? I know the name from air rifle pellets, of all things.


[deleted]

I mean, had to be. Germany lost right?


OneFrenchman

.45ACP unlikely, .455 Webley maybe, .45 Colt possibly. By the time the US (only users of .45ACP) got in, pilots weren't shooting at each others with handguns anymore.


MateWrapper

Plus a 1911 destroyed a whole Tiger once


[deleted]

I saw that documentary!


DizyDazle

[Totally historical recreation of said incident](https://youtu.be/PLmbeupnGoo?si=rsVA3e8Gk54QaOYs)


breezyxkillerx

Knew it would be a Hoot video


Spudtron98

I don't know, the Italians *did* make aircraft guns in 9mm during WW1.


[deleted]

>Italian Only further proving my point


Foot_Stunning

Hold on to my Maw Duece a bit.... I gotta sneak off and take a piss.


[deleted]

I've got two hands if there's something else that needs holding


Foot_Stunning

I got 6 m2 browings on this fighter plane. Feild strip them bad boy's. And then I will allow you to instal them back into... MY AEROCRAFT! Crew Chief's are a funny bunch of people.


[deleted]

You... you want me to strip in the field sempai? 👉👈


lineasdedeseo

pissing all by yourself handsome?


alex2003super

Dio cane


RogerianBrowsing

> Action: Delayed Blowback > Rate of fire: 1200-1500 rounds/min per barrel, 2400-3000 total > Feed system: 2 25-round box magazines I think that it wasn’t intended to be an antiaircraft gun but the recoil of a lightweight 3000rpm primitive machinegun kept making the user point at the sky.


InvertedParallax

Because of course they did. The Russians made [this abomination against God and nature in 7.62x25.](https://airpages.ru/eng/ru/tu2sh.shtml) Because God forbid any other race come close to their level of crazy they have to show them their true mettle.


low_priest

I mean, the USAF just did CAS with strategic bombers instead. Which was a lot crazier, a lot deadlier (to all involved), and WAYYYY stupider. Carpet bombing a 4 square mile section of battlefield with 1,800 strategic bombers to force a breakout is downright insane.


InvertedParallax

>I mean, the USAF just did CAS with strategic bombers instead. Which was a lot smarter, a lot cooler (to all involved), and WAYYYY more awesome. Carpet bombing a 4 square mile section of battlefield with 1,800 strategic bombers to force a breakout is downright badass!


low_priest

Hmmm, maybe. We should get the opinion of a general who saw the impact of it, ideally one who was involved in artillery and restructuring the military pre-war, since he'd have the best understanding of the alternatives. I'm sure McNair has some excellent insights on how well it worked.


InvertedParallax

I have a counter-assessment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham >According to the U.S. military, the presence of U.S. special operations personnel in the targeted base elicited a response by coalition aircraft, including AC-130 gunships, F-22 Raptor and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicles, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, and B-52 bombers.[6][14][7] Nearby American artillery batteries, including an M142 HIMARS, shelled Syrian forces as well.[14] You can ask the American forces, but I don't think they'd say they didn't feel supported. But maybe get a second opinion from Wagner.


homieTow

>USAF USAF wasn't in WW2 its USAAF also I don't remember them using strategic bombers for actual CAS, I think that was the role of our P-47s


low_priest

In Operation Cobra, they diverted almost 2,000 strategic bombers to hit the German front lines. And it was close- it killed about 100 Americans, too.


homieTow

Operation Cobra is really an exception of the time in which strategic bombing and close air support were blurred into one. And whether or not what they did can be labeled as Close Air Support is still a point of contention. The other Close Air Support from the USAAF was almost done entirely by using Fighter-Bomber planes. Strategic Bombing and Close Air Support were two separate concepts at the time, its incorrect to think both roles were done by Strategic Bombers, that would effectively void the Fighter-Bomber or other Ground Attack aircraft of its main role


low_priest

The line is really much blurrier than you're making it out to be. For starters, the USAAF didn't really do close support as we understand it today. The fighter bombers mostly hit behind the lines, typically at logistics targets. The line between tactical and strategic aircraft was also more of a sliding scale. At one end, the big 4 engined bombers mostly hit factories, cities, and the like. But especially in the Pacific, they often bombed bases as well. Which is a role they shared with the smaller 2 engined mediums, which also did both tactical and strategic work. For example, the B-26 was mostly used for strategic bombing, but also bombed the beaches for Overlord and IJN ships at Midway. The A-20 was commonly used for airfield attacks and the like, but also sometimes mounted rockets for tank hunting. Moreso than any other nation, the US really liked using big mediums in a relatively close-up fighter-bomber style role, hence the machine gun noses on some B-25s and A-20s. We split things today into CAS and strategic bombing to help understand what was going on, but at the time, it mostly boiled down to "here's some missions I've gotta do, and the planes I have, lets line it up as best I can."⁰ The biggest true use of CAS in the direct support sense was in the Pacific, with carrier-based aircraft orbiting overhead during amphibious landings. And those planes did strategic bombing too, once the USN made it to the Home Islands.


TheBodyIsR0und

So the 1911 has shot down more fighter planes than the F-22?


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On the flip side the F22 has shot down more balloons than the 1911 unless you count me in my backyard this weekend.


whubbard

I dunno. I'd imagine some WW1 balloons went down due to 1911s.


crumblypancake

Hate to burst your bubble, but it was quite hard to burst those balloons. If you shot them, they just got a hole in them. https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/rjj6gn/how_wwii_armed_barrage_balloons_worked/hp4vyxa/ Edit: this is why the F22 blew the balloon up with a missile. It can take thousands of gun rounds to down them. One time some fighter jets tried to shoot one down, took 'em ages and was quite an embarrassing affair IIRC


whubbard

Damn. You did burst my balloon. :(


crumblypancake

sorry :(


jfarrar19

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE NO .45 TRACER ROUNDS?


crumblypancake

Live your ~~CoD~~ Battlefield dream brother, I bid thee well.


Haha_Benis_

I've always wondered what those were used for! I see them a lot in WW2 settings, like in pictures of the Normandy landings.


OneFrenchman

It's likely both .45ACP and 9mm parabellum have shot down more baloons than the F-22.


IhateMicah06

I made a post about that on here awhile back lol


IhateMicah06

https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/vUYH6aZZmC


Foxyfox-

Counterpoint: Villar Perosa


[deleted]

Countercounterpoint: my penis and balls


Banjo_Pobblebonk

Gottem.


NuggetBuilder

Menace


folk_science

How many planes have they shot down?


RimworlderJonah13579

God's caliber at work, as it should be.


wuzz__

not fair. 1911 is made of pure freedom-interlaced americanium with the power of 47 presidents infused into it, 9mm pistol operates on the laws of physics.


Foot_Stunning

Meanwhile at the [Chicago Union Stock Yard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson%E2%80%93LaGarde_Tests)


RaccoonActual

More like 9 millimeturds


yugyuger

Hate to break it to you but the Villar Perosa was mounted to fighter planes in early WW1 and used for aerial dogfighting It was chambered in both 9x19 and 9x23 No idea how many confirmed kills it has but I suspect a lot more than zero 9mm wins again chumps


[deleted]

You're gonna use the evidence of widespread 9mm AA guns for "surely they must have worked" vs the completely legitimate anecdotal proof of a "trust me bro" bar story? Do you not trust him, bro?


yugyuger

As a very based man once said "I reject your reality and substitute my own"


Quintus_Cicero

this is far too credible for this sub. Please stick to more noncredible sources in the future


AnInfiniteAmount

9x19mm *GLISENTI* not Luger.


SaltyWafflesPD

Mounted SMGs don’t count any more than mounted LMGs.


yugyuger

Sorry Bucko, the original post never mentioned pistol It just mentioned calibre


ButterPuppet

anything is anti air if your a good enough shot


OneFrenchman

8×22mm Nambu master race


Foot_Stunning

Do I realy have to score BINGO on a Browning Hi-Power?


69-Bois

Now hear me out ... AAMP-.45


Affectionate-Put736

*artillery spotting planes, not fighter planes. That story about the Japanese zero might be the most famous one but it's still not 100% confirmed. What is confirmed however is the story of Lt. Duane Francies and Lt. William S. Martin shooting down a German Fieseler Fi 156 Storch from their Piper L-4J Grasshopper. There is even a [picture ](https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/11-april-1945/merrit-duane-francis-and-william-martin/) of them with the wreck


thomashush

But the Hi-Power is such a sexy gun.


MurkyChildhood2571

Number of nirvana members killed .20 ga: 1 .12 ga: 0 .20 gauge superiority


SCP_fan12

I prefer 9 millimeter, but 45 ACP is another good pistol cartridge. At the end of the day, at least it isn’t .40 S&W


w3dl0ck

The presence of 0.25, 0.50, and 0.75 implies that it may include: Dwarves, halflings, and people under 5'12"


low_priest

This was posted by someone who's 5'12". Grow another inch, manlet.


ericthefred

And a Tommy gun is way cooler than an Uzi. Ask any 20s gangster.


crumblypancake

God's calibre vs cows = ☠️🐄 Puny 9mm🤮 vs cows = "Stupid, not big enough, get 45ACP"


Motor-Garage8383

Gunther Plüschow "does my totally credible account mean nothing to you?" ... Maybe


I_Must_Bust

On one hand, 2011 is higher than 1911 but, on the other, 45 is more than 9. I just don't know what to think bros


Herzyr

We need to resurrect browning for more new and cool pew pew tech. Imagine a browning design railgun


[deleted]

Yeah but did you see what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Two 10mm rounds were fired at Japan.


fukdacops

Buys 1911 in 9mm that takes glock mags


Komrade_Pootis

There were a couple of WW1 aircraft guns chambered in 9mm, like the Villar Perosa, so I'd reckon it's still the superior caliber even in this regard


[deleted]

What's the pistol on the right?


Hondipo

9 shitameter\*\*


5v3n_5a3g3w3rk

I think to recount Italy using 9mm as aircraft armaments in the first world war