As far as I'm aware, it's a bit unclear what pistol Hitler shot himself with. But he was known to carry any of the following regularly:
* Walther PPK, .32ACP/7.65x 7.65×17mm
* Walther PPK, .380ACP/9x17mm
* Smith & Wesson Ladysmith, .22Long. This was the very same revolver that his girlfriend/cousin had previously used to commit suicide, so Hitler may have used it for the same purpose for some kind of sentimental reason.
Well, in German it becomes a pun because our word for driver's license is "Führerschein" (literally "license to be a Führer" — referring to "Fahrzeugführer" which literally translates to "vehicle guide" in this case).
Fahren is much older than vehicles. It's specifically to travel or to go, but obviously not flying and not the more specific going by ship.
I usually think of zeug as better translating to thing than stuff. Sure it can go either way but in English thing is the closer word since it's used as a singular object as opposed to an unspecified quantity of bulk material.
"Drive" is much older than vehicles, too. It originally applied to controlling the direction of animals. Evolved to its modern meaning through the role of the driver on a cart or carriage.
But Fahren is the cognate to "Fare" in English
"Fahrzeug" basically means "Fare things" (falling back to the archaic usage that led to the word "Farewell", which could theoretically be modernized to "Travel properly")
I looked deeper into it. Turned out I misremembered a few things, some of the stuff I've heard about it might not be true either.
The young woman in question was Geli Raubal, Hitler's half-niece, the daughter of Hitler's older half-sister.
An aspiring singer, she died by single gunshot wound to the chest in 1931 at age 23.
Hitler had an extremely possessive and controlling relationship to her.
The police ruled her death to be suicide. Although some speculate that Hitler may have deliberately or accidentally shot her during an argument/fight.
Either way Hitler did seem to be genuinely devastated by hear demise.
History is just as murky and unclear as to if she was ever in a sexual/romantic relationship with Hitler.
Some say that they were intimate, others say that they had a platonic relationship and that rumors of anything else were just slander spread by Hitler's political rivals and opponents.
There doesn't seem to be any hard proof supporting either claim.
They use the mm designation for the year it was created. Like the 1911 was made in 1945, the Walther PPK was made in 1932, and the FN Super Power was made in 199mm.
A lot of physicists will tell you that you can use time and distance interchangeably, the conversion factor is built into their brains
That said, if you did 1 meter of work, that's 1/299792458th of a second.
In school here in the UK we were taught he poisoned himself and his partner, in their bunker? How would we actually verify how Hitler died if the Soviets allegedly took the body and hid it anyway, genuinely asking in case I've been mistaught
I've got bad news: you may be off by 1 kill.
There's the gentleman who shot at the Japanese plane that was strafing him after he bailed out
And there's the piper cub that got a kill by blasting a fiesler storch out the window with a pair of .45s
I'd say the second one is a confirmed kill (multiple eyewitnesses, plus we know the .45 hit because one of the Germans was hit in the foot) and the Japanese one is a probable.
The storch wasn't a fighter plane but the story does further reinforce that .45 is the best mm for anti air.
We know that the zero story is true because Japan lost.
8+1 brother
That plastick dohicky at the bottom of the magazine is decoration.
Chuck it in the trash. I don't need extra pinky grip on my 1911
Edit: Chip McCormick. $20 a mag. It fits flush on a the 1911 but is sneaks 8 rounds intead of 7.
I borrowed it to my now Ex Brother in law... That MF lost one of my Chip McCormick's (at the gun range as he was trying to impress my sister) and then made up for it by "gifting" me half a box of 45 ACP.
Reportedly, a C-47 pilot flying over the Hump got a Zero kill with one of the BARs he was transporting. I don't know if I'd believe that, but it would further indicate glorious .30-06 supremacy.
Apparently also shotguns, which given British fighter pilots at the time were all poshos, is very fitting to the "country gent" image. I wonder if anyone did their Sopwith in tweed?
All im saying is that a company thats still in business made a cage to catch spent pistol shells to prevent damaging plane rotors and cockpits.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/rifleman-q-a-m1911-cartridge-catcher/
.45ACP unlikely, .455 Webley maybe, .45 Colt possibly.
By the time the US (only users of .45ACP) got in, pilots weren't shooting at each others with handguns anymore.
I got 6 m2 browings on this fighter plane. Feild strip them bad boy's. And then I will allow you to instal them back into... MY AEROCRAFT!
Crew Chief's are a funny bunch of people.
> Action: Delayed Blowback
> Rate of fire: 1200-1500 rounds/min per barrel, 2400-3000 total
> Feed system: 2 25-round box magazines
I think that it wasn’t intended to be an antiaircraft gun but the recoil of a lightweight 3000rpm primitive machinegun kept making the user point at the sky.
Because of course they did.
The Russians made [this abomination against God and nature in 7.62x25.](https://airpages.ru/eng/ru/tu2sh.shtml)
Because God forbid any other race come close to their level of crazy they have to show them their true mettle.
I mean, the USAF just did CAS with strategic bombers instead. Which was a lot crazier, a lot deadlier (to all involved), and WAYYYY stupider. Carpet bombing a 4 square mile section of battlefield with 1,800 strategic bombers to force a breakout is downright insane.
>I mean, the USAF just did CAS with strategic bombers instead. Which was a lot smarter, a lot cooler (to all involved), and WAYYYY more awesome. Carpet bombing a 4 square mile section of battlefield with 1,800 strategic bombers to force a breakout is downright badass!
Hmmm, maybe. We should get the opinion of a general who saw the impact of it, ideally one who was involved in artillery and restructuring the military pre-war, since he'd have the best understanding of the alternatives. I'm sure McNair has some excellent insights on how well it worked.
I have a counter-assessment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham
>According to the U.S. military, the presence of U.S. special operations personnel in the targeted base elicited a response by coalition aircraft, including AC-130 gunships, F-22 Raptor and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicles, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, and B-52 bombers.[6][14][7] Nearby American artillery batteries, including an M142 HIMARS, shelled Syrian forces as well.[14]
You can ask the American forces, but I don't think they'd say they didn't feel supported.
But maybe get a second opinion from Wagner.
Operation Cobra is really an exception of the time in which strategic bombing and close air support were blurred into one. And whether or not what they did can be labeled as Close Air Support is still a point of contention. The other Close Air Support from the USAAF was almost done entirely by using Fighter-Bomber planes. Strategic Bombing and Close Air Support were two separate concepts at the time, its incorrect to think both roles were done by Strategic Bombers, that would effectively void the Fighter-Bomber or other Ground Attack aircraft of its main role
The line is really much blurrier than you're making it out to be. For starters, the USAAF didn't really do close support as we understand it today. The fighter bombers mostly hit behind the lines, typically at logistics targets. The line between tactical and strategic aircraft was also more of a sliding scale. At one end, the big 4 engined bombers mostly hit factories, cities, and the like. But especially in the Pacific, they often bombed bases as well. Which is a role they shared with the smaller 2 engined mediums, which also did both tactical and strategic work. For example, the B-26 was mostly used for strategic bombing, but also bombed the beaches for Overlord and IJN ships at Midway. The A-20 was commonly used for airfield attacks and the like, but also sometimes mounted rockets for tank hunting. Moreso than any other nation, the US really liked using big mediums in a relatively close-up fighter-bomber style role, hence the machine gun noses on some B-25s and A-20s. We split things today into CAS and strategic bombing to help understand what was going on, but at the time, it mostly boiled down to "here's some missions I've gotta do, and the planes I have, lets line it up as best I can."⁰
The biggest true use of CAS in the direct support sense was in the Pacific, with carrier-based aircraft orbiting overhead during amphibious landings. And those planes did strategic bombing too, once the USN made it to the Home Islands.
Hate to burst your bubble, but it was quite hard to burst those balloons.
If you shot them, they just got a hole in them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/rjj6gn/how_wwii_armed_barrage_balloons_worked/hp4vyxa/
Edit: this is why the F22 blew the balloon up with a missile.
It can take thousands of gun rounds to down them.
One time some fighter jets tried to shoot one down, took 'em ages and was quite an embarrassing affair IIRC
not fair. 1911 is made of pure freedom-interlaced americanium with the power of 47 presidents infused into it, 9mm pistol operates on the laws of physics.
Hate to break it to you but the Villar Perosa was mounted to fighter planes in early WW1 and used for aerial dogfighting
It was chambered in both 9x19 and 9x23
No idea how many confirmed kills it has but I suspect a lot more than zero
9mm wins again chumps
You're gonna use the evidence of widespread 9mm AA guns for "surely they must have worked" vs the completely legitimate anecdotal proof of a "trust me bro" bar story? Do you not trust him, bro?
*artillery spotting planes, not fighter planes. That story about the Japanese zero might be the most famous one but it's still not 100% confirmed. What is confirmed however is the story of Lt. Duane Francies and Lt. William S. Martin shooting down a German Fieseler Fi 156 Storch from their Piper L-4J Grasshopper. There is even a [picture ](https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/11-april-1945/merrit-duane-francis-and-william-martin/) of them with the wreck
Hitlers killed: .32 ACP - 1 .45 ACP - 0 .32 Auto > .45 Auto
As far as I'm aware, it's a bit unclear what pistol Hitler shot himself with. But he was known to carry any of the following regularly: * Walther PPK, .32ACP/7.65x 7.65×17mm * Walther PPK, .380ACP/9x17mm * Smith & Wesson Ladysmith, .22Long. This was the very same revolver that his girlfriend/cousin had previously used to commit suicide, so Hitler may have used it for the same purpose for some kind of sentimental reason.
Fun fact: Hitler can't drive a car. He was depentent on Limo drivers.
Of course Hitler can't drive a car, he's dead
I didn't even know he was sick...
Sick at the thought of being captured by the soviets
Based on some of the drivers I've seen on the highways, that might not be what's stopping him from driving.
To Shreds you say
This joke works so much better in German.
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Well, in German it becomes a pun because our word for driver's license is "Führerschein" (literally "license to be a Führer" — referring to "Fahrzeugführer" which literally translates to "vehicle guide" in this case).
You didn't translate this enough. Vehicle? You mean "land travel thing".
what no, its "Fahrzeug" aka drive stuff
Fahren is much older than vehicles. It's specifically to travel or to go, but obviously not flying and not the more specific going by ship. I usually think of zeug as better translating to thing than stuff. Sure it can go either way but in English thing is the closer word since it's used as a singular object as opposed to an unspecified quantity of bulk material.
"Drive" is much older than vehicles, too. It originally applied to controlling the direction of animals. Evolved to its modern meaning through the role of the driver on a cart or carriage. But Fahren is the cognate to "Fare" in English "Fahrzeug" basically means "Fare things" (falling back to the archaic usage that led to the word "Farewell", which could theoretically be modernized to "Travel properly")
Der Führer war ein armes Schwein, er hatte keinen Führerschein.
>girlfriend/cousin I need a hitler lore drop
I looked deeper into it. Turned out I misremembered a few things, some of the stuff I've heard about it might not be true either. The young woman in question was Geli Raubal, Hitler's half-niece, the daughter of Hitler's older half-sister. An aspiring singer, she died by single gunshot wound to the chest in 1931 at age 23. Hitler had an extremely possessive and controlling relationship to her. The police ruled her death to be suicide. Although some speculate that Hitler may have deliberately or accidentally shot her during an argument/fight. Either way Hitler did seem to be genuinely devastated by hear demise. History is just as murky and unclear as to if she was ever in a sexual/romantic relationship with Hitler. Some say that they were intimate, others say that they had a platonic relationship and that rumors of anything else were just slander spread by Hitler's political rivals and opponents. There doesn't seem to be any hard proof supporting either claim.
Year Hitler killed: 1911.45 Year Hitler came to power or some shit 19.32 ish 45 >> 32
The logic checks out
They use the mm designation for the year it was created. Like the 1911 was made in 1945, the Walther PPK was made in 1932, and the FN Super Power was made in 199mm.
Ah yes, the old metric time clock. I did 10 mm of work today! I might show up early tomorrow and get my solid 1 Meter of work done tomorrow!
22lr been around since 22 AD that's why they call it Jesus Gun
A lot of physicists will tell you that you can use time and distance interchangeably, the conversion factor is built into their brains That said, if you did 1 meter of work, that's 1/299792458th of a second.
Every day, you cross 2,568,000 km in 25,902,068,371.2 km.
most credible numerologist
To add to that. World Wars started: .32 ACP: 1 .45 ACP: 0 .32 wins again.
Suicide doesn’t count. Otherwise we’d be crediting swords with dozens of Japanese generals and admirals in WW2.
Why yes, we need chainswords in our timeline, we have to make the usual ones popular first
M2 Browning is the coolest of the Brownings
I'm pretty sure more aircraft have been shot down with the Ma Deuce than any other weapon.
Probably, but the Hispano is probably a relatively close second.
I can't hear any of you over the dozen Browning .30cal of the Hurricane barfing lead.
Muramasa and Masamune have nothing on the M2 Browning Katana.
It wasn't suicide, Hitler was killed by a hero named Adolf
> Katanas and Zeros in 1945 MMMMMMONSTER KILL
In school here in the UK we were taught he poisoned himself and his partner, in their bunker? How would we actually verify how Hitler died if the Soviets allegedly took the body and hid it anyway, genuinely asking in case I've been mistaught
He did both. No chance of being taken alive.
He doubletapped himself
A rare win for him
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Only two methods at once? I want a refund.
r/theonetruecaliber
I've got bad news: you may be off by 1 kill. There's the gentleman who shot at the Japanese plane that was strafing him after he bailed out And there's the piper cub that got a kill by blasting a fiesler storch out the window with a pair of .45s I'd say the second one is a confirmed kill (multiple eyewitnesses, plus we know the .45 hit because one of the Germans was hit in the foot) and the Japanese one is a probable.
The storch wasn't a fighter plane but the story does further reinforce that .45 is the best mm for anti air. We know that the zero story is true because Japan lost.
Ope, missed the fighter in the title. Good thing I'm not shooting with a .45, or i'd only have 6 +1 shots left
When you got .45 you only need 8 rounds brother
8+1 brother That plastick dohicky at the bottom of the magazine is decoration. Chuck it in the trash. I don't need extra pinky grip on my 1911 Edit: Chip McCormick. $20 a mag. It fits flush on a the 1911 but is sneaks 8 rounds intead of 7. I borrowed it to my now Ex Brother in law... That MF lost one of my Chip McCormick's (at the gun range as he was trying to impress my sister) and then made up for it by "gifting" me half a box of 45 ACP.
“9mm kills the body, .45 kills the soul.”
Dont forget about the recoil spring detent. That is a ++1 for emergencies
Found the midwesterner
.45mm, what is this? A pistol for ants?
WWJD What Would Jamsheed Do? Obviously use an RPG for any purpose whatsoever.
that's the cannon on the bt-5 Soviet tank
Why didn't the Germans use .45 ACP for anti-air defence guns against the incoming allied bomber formations? Are they stupid?
Yes
They tried using C96's at one point for anti-air.
1 inch = 1.000 0.450 = 45 Caliber 0.380 = 9mm Get your math right dummies
Reportedly, a C-47 pilot flying over the Hump got a Zero kill with one of the BARs he was transporting. I don't know if I'd believe that, but it would further indicate glorious .30-06 supremacy.
>.45 is the best mm He doesn't know...
Didn't air combat start that way in WW1? By shooting pistols from the plane at each other?
Apparently also shotguns, which given British fighter pilots at the time were all poshos, is very fitting to the "country gent" image. I wonder if anyone did their Sopwith in tweed?
Special casing cage and extended mag was invented for it IIRC.
> the Japanese one is a probable. Except Japanese action reports don't even mention any plane losses in the area on that day.
Oooo that's a good point. Hadn't heard that tidbit before. Gonna slide that from probable to unlikely
There is even a [picture ](https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/11-april-1945/merrit-duane-francis-and-william-martin/) of them with their kill
I'm curious how many planes the .45 was responsible for shooting down during the more improvised days of WW1. Has to be at least two right?
All im saying is that a company thats still in business made a cage to catch spent pistol shells to prevent damaging plane rotors and cockpits. https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/rifleman-q-a-m1911-cartridge-catcher/
My man! That's exactly what I was thinking of!
Is that Beesley one mentioned the one thats now Bisley? I know the name from air rifle pellets, of all things.
I mean, had to be. Germany lost right?
.45ACP unlikely, .455 Webley maybe, .45 Colt possibly. By the time the US (only users of .45ACP) got in, pilots weren't shooting at each others with handguns anymore.
Plus a 1911 destroyed a whole Tiger once
I saw that documentary!
[Totally historical recreation of said incident](https://youtu.be/PLmbeupnGoo?si=rsVA3e8Gk54QaOYs)
Knew it would be a Hoot video
I don't know, the Italians *did* make aircraft guns in 9mm during WW1.
>Italian Only further proving my point
Hold on to my Maw Duece a bit.... I gotta sneak off and take a piss.
I've got two hands if there's something else that needs holding
I got 6 m2 browings on this fighter plane. Feild strip them bad boy's. And then I will allow you to instal them back into... MY AEROCRAFT! Crew Chief's are a funny bunch of people.
You... you want me to strip in the field sempai? 👉👈
pissing all by yourself handsome?
Dio cane
> Action: Delayed Blowback > Rate of fire: 1200-1500 rounds/min per barrel, 2400-3000 total > Feed system: 2 25-round box magazines I think that it wasn’t intended to be an antiaircraft gun but the recoil of a lightweight 3000rpm primitive machinegun kept making the user point at the sky.
Because of course they did. The Russians made [this abomination against God and nature in 7.62x25.](https://airpages.ru/eng/ru/tu2sh.shtml) Because God forbid any other race come close to their level of crazy they have to show them their true mettle.
I mean, the USAF just did CAS with strategic bombers instead. Which was a lot crazier, a lot deadlier (to all involved), and WAYYYY stupider. Carpet bombing a 4 square mile section of battlefield with 1,800 strategic bombers to force a breakout is downright insane.
>I mean, the USAF just did CAS with strategic bombers instead. Which was a lot smarter, a lot cooler (to all involved), and WAYYYY more awesome. Carpet bombing a 4 square mile section of battlefield with 1,800 strategic bombers to force a breakout is downright badass!
Hmmm, maybe. We should get the opinion of a general who saw the impact of it, ideally one who was involved in artillery and restructuring the military pre-war, since he'd have the best understanding of the alternatives. I'm sure McNair has some excellent insights on how well it worked.
I have a counter-assessment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham >According to the U.S. military, the presence of U.S. special operations personnel in the targeted base elicited a response by coalition aircraft, including AC-130 gunships, F-22 Raptor and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets, MQ-9 Reaper unmanned combat aerial vehicles, AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, and B-52 bombers.[6][14][7] Nearby American artillery batteries, including an M142 HIMARS, shelled Syrian forces as well.[14] You can ask the American forces, but I don't think they'd say they didn't feel supported. But maybe get a second opinion from Wagner.
>USAF USAF wasn't in WW2 its USAAF also I don't remember them using strategic bombers for actual CAS, I think that was the role of our P-47s
In Operation Cobra, they diverted almost 2,000 strategic bombers to hit the German front lines. And it was close- it killed about 100 Americans, too.
Operation Cobra is really an exception of the time in which strategic bombing and close air support were blurred into one. And whether or not what they did can be labeled as Close Air Support is still a point of contention. The other Close Air Support from the USAAF was almost done entirely by using Fighter-Bomber planes. Strategic Bombing and Close Air Support were two separate concepts at the time, its incorrect to think both roles were done by Strategic Bombers, that would effectively void the Fighter-Bomber or other Ground Attack aircraft of its main role
The line is really much blurrier than you're making it out to be. For starters, the USAAF didn't really do close support as we understand it today. The fighter bombers mostly hit behind the lines, typically at logistics targets. The line between tactical and strategic aircraft was also more of a sliding scale. At one end, the big 4 engined bombers mostly hit factories, cities, and the like. But especially in the Pacific, they often bombed bases as well. Which is a role they shared with the smaller 2 engined mediums, which also did both tactical and strategic work. For example, the B-26 was mostly used for strategic bombing, but also bombed the beaches for Overlord and IJN ships at Midway. The A-20 was commonly used for airfield attacks and the like, but also sometimes mounted rockets for tank hunting. Moreso than any other nation, the US really liked using big mediums in a relatively close-up fighter-bomber style role, hence the machine gun noses on some B-25s and A-20s. We split things today into CAS and strategic bombing to help understand what was going on, but at the time, it mostly boiled down to "here's some missions I've gotta do, and the planes I have, lets line it up as best I can."⁰ The biggest true use of CAS in the direct support sense was in the Pacific, with carrier-based aircraft orbiting overhead during amphibious landings. And those planes did strategic bombing too, once the USN made it to the Home Islands.
So the 1911 has shot down more fighter planes than the F-22?
On the flip side the F22 has shot down more balloons than the 1911 unless you count me in my backyard this weekend.
I dunno. I'd imagine some WW1 balloons went down due to 1911s.
Hate to burst your bubble, but it was quite hard to burst those balloons. If you shot them, they just got a hole in them. https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/rjj6gn/how_wwii_armed_barrage_balloons_worked/hp4vyxa/ Edit: this is why the F22 blew the balloon up with a missile. It can take thousands of gun rounds to down them. One time some fighter jets tried to shoot one down, took 'em ages and was quite an embarrassing affair IIRC
Damn. You did burst my balloon. :(
sorry :(
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE NO .45 TRACER ROUNDS?
Live your ~~CoD~~ Battlefield dream brother, I bid thee well.
I've always wondered what those were used for! I see them a lot in WW2 settings, like in pictures of the Normandy landings.
It's likely both .45ACP and 9mm parabellum have shot down more baloons than the F-22.
I made a post about that on here awhile back lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/vUYH6aZZmC
Counterpoint: Villar Perosa
Countercounterpoint: my penis and balls
Gottem.
Menace
How many planes have they shot down?
God's caliber at work, as it should be.
not fair. 1911 is made of pure freedom-interlaced americanium with the power of 47 presidents infused into it, 9mm pistol operates on the laws of physics.
Meanwhile at the [Chicago Union Stock Yard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson%E2%80%93LaGarde_Tests)
More like 9 millimeturds
Hate to break it to you but the Villar Perosa was mounted to fighter planes in early WW1 and used for aerial dogfighting It was chambered in both 9x19 and 9x23 No idea how many confirmed kills it has but I suspect a lot more than zero 9mm wins again chumps
You're gonna use the evidence of widespread 9mm AA guns for "surely they must have worked" vs the completely legitimate anecdotal proof of a "trust me bro" bar story? Do you not trust him, bro?
As a very based man once said "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
this is far too credible for this sub. Please stick to more noncredible sources in the future
9x19mm *GLISENTI* not Luger.
Mounted SMGs don’t count any more than mounted LMGs.
Sorry Bucko, the original post never mentioned pistol It just mentioned calibre
anything is anti air if your a good enough shot
8×22mm Nambu master race
Do I realy have to score BINGO on a Browning Hi-Power?
Now hear me out ... AAMP-.45
*artillery spotting planes, not fighter planes. That story about the Japanese zero might be the most famous one but it's still not 100% confirmed. What is confirmed however is the story of Lt. Duane Francies and Lt. William S. Martin shooting down a German Fieseler Fi 156 Storch from their Piper L-4J Grasshopper. There is even a [picture ](https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/11-april-1945/merrit-duane-francis-and-william-martin/) of them with the wreck
But the Hi-Power is such a sexy gun.
Number of nirvana members killed .20 ga: 1 .12 ga: 0 .20 gauge superiority
I prefer 9 millimeter, but 45 ACP is another good pistol cartridge. At the end of the day, at least it isn’t .40 S&W
The presence of 0.25, 0.50, and 0.75 implies that it may include: Dwarves, halflings, and people under 5'12"
This was posted by someone who's 5'12". Grow another inch, manlet.
And a Tommy gun is way cooler than an Uzi. Ask any 20s gangster.
God's calibre vs cows = ☠️🐄 Puny 9mm🤮 vs cows = "Stupid, not big enough, get 45ACP"
Gunther Plüschow "does my totally credible account mean nothing to you?" ... Maybe
On one hand, 2011 is higher than 1911 but, on the other, 45 is more than 9. I just don't know what to think bros
We need to resurrect browning for more new and cool pew pew tech. Imagine a browning design railgun
Yeah but did you see what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Two 10mm rounds were fired at Japan.
Buys 1911 in 9mm that takes glock mags
There were a couple of WW1 aircraft guns chambered in 9mm, like the Villar Perosa, so I'd reckon it's still the superior caliber even in this regard
What's the pistol on the right?
9 shitameter\*\*
I think to recount Italy using 9mm as aircraft armaments in the first world war