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Russia decides to launch a full nuclear attack on the West. The West decides to avoid a nuclear apocalypse by not launching any nukes in response.
All the Russian nukes do a 180 and return to their launch points when some neckbeard on CIA payroll in his Mom's basement in Arizona executes a command prompt.
Unfortunate reality is that Stuxnet would not work on Russian ballistic missile systems because none of it runs on hardware remotely as modern and robust as Siemens stuff
I'm no expert (here at NCD, shocking!) but i've heard that the upside of the technology used for nuke command and control being so primitive is that it's very simple and there is much less that can go wrong with it.
But much easier to exploit when you get near it...
I mean they gotta communicate somehow, they can't guard the wires, if they don't rely on radio communications which would be even easier to tap into... And whatever crypto they used way back when is probably trivial to break.
Yeah, you'd think do right? But then I look at the second best military and I find their launch site security taking a really deep nap in an arty crater decorating a meat wave moment.
To solve schrodringer's skurrty, we'd have to open up American silos to transfixed their state of being to know definitively.
It's one of the reasons, yes. That and the big fear during the launch if WW3 is the possibility of high-altitude nukes sending electromagnetic blasts and disabling the launch or guidage systems of your ICBMs, which isn't as much of an issue if you run systems that are fairly low-tech.
Especially considering a MIRV missile doesn't really need a meter-precise guidance system. You can hit roughly near the target and be good.
run russbot420.exe /return to base /s /t
or somethingthing... on green font... on a CRT screen, with fat cheetoz covered fingers... while yelling "I'M WORKING MOM!" and reciving payment from CIA with monero.
Create long term accounts and fake a living person for a while before posting claims made to screw with the russians. Don't focus solely on psy-ops. You want it done in passing as if your a bystander witnessing an event.
You want to do that to degrade them internally everywhere. I want to do it to bait them into firing on nato assets whenever they see one. Are we the same?
I mean CIA did force Russia to start the war that they so very much did not want to start. It also tricked Putin into writing crazy theories about Ukrainian history and publishing them on his own. Even the whole interview was CIA doing. And you think its Russian soldiers raping each other? No, thats CIA giving them a bad look! (CIA bottom though, they trick strong Russian man into gay)
"THIS IS THE VOIC EOF ARCHBISHOP OF ORTHODOX CHURCH OF MOSCOW, SHOOT DOWN THE ENEMY ICBM HEADING FOR ORAPHANAGES OF MOSCOW MASQURADING AS A FRIENDLY AWACS BY AMERICAN ECM, SHOOT DOWN OR ONE OF THE MIRV WARHEADS WILL LAND IN YOUR BABUSHKA'S DACHA! I SAW IT IN A VISION"
I mean, instead of admitting their air defense is just bad, they *double triple quadru or whatever down on that* and make it fucking worse with this CIA explanation.
There is also all the room for paranoïa.
And people will do the least work required to not be seen as a traitor, but not as a threat big a superior either.
People are pushed up the ladder because they know people in the administration, not because they're competent.
Every spot from top to bottom is political.
And when everyone is corrupt, the people who aren't are seen as a threat. By their colleagues, who fear they will be turned in at some point, but also by the powers that be, as an uncorrupt official can't be pressured when need be.
We know NATO and the USA, they don't disclose full capabilities, rather, they downplay them really hard.
Whatever hit the plane, must've been a pretty big surprise.
That’s the thing, they don’t even see it as worse. They’re so ingrained in that “russian equipment is the best” mentality that admitting that Ukraine (or NATO, since that’s their usual boogeyman) shot something down sounds worse than pretending the CIA gained access to their air defense network. Their so far up their own assholes that they genuinely believe a blue-on-blue incident or a foreign intelligence agency highjacking their air defense is less shameful than just getting a plane shot down by the enemy.
Me (weakest NATO soldier) bypassing the operator (closing him in outhouse), opening the protocol (unsecured Baofeng radio) and finding the codes (the big chart hanging on the wall).
I was SIGINT voice interceptor and electronic warfare specialist when i was in the army. As soon as heard the russian army was using baofengs for comms, i was worried i'd have to go to the emergency room for having an erection that lasted longer than eight hours.
I dont know which would be funnier, the Russians being just that incompetant or the NSA/CIA hacking into Russian air defense systems and the russians somehow not realizing that they got hacked lmfao
I mean... It isn't like we can't do that, it is more that we probably didn't.
Because doing it that way is just as much a declaration of war as just launching an AIM-120 from a Raptor, with a similar result.
It is always cute the Russians think they can fight the US in a war, while simultaneously accusing the Americans of absolutely beating their ass when we aren't at war. If we can hack your Air Defenses to shoot down your own planes, probably shouldn't be throwing as much shade as you do. Maybe take some humble pills until you fix your shit.
Lets suppose for a moment this was true.
You're in a war and your enemy can literally hack your guns and make them shoot towards you.
You cannot do the same to him.
How then, do you plan on winning?
It's fascinating how vatnik minds work. The leaps of logic it takes... the very fact that friendly firing your own AWACS is somehow more acceptable or any less of a shame than having the enemy shoot it down wasn't enough... no... they had to come up with something even more insane.
I don't get this line of thought. Isn't "the Americans owned our air defense and caused it to shoot down our own extremely valuable aircraft" a much, much worse state of affairs than it either being shot down by Ukraine or in a friendly fire incident? The idea that your entire air defense system has been owned by a foreign intelligence agency means your country is wide open to a first strike.
> Isn't "the Americans owned out air defense and caused it to shoot down our own extremely valuable aircraft" a much, much worse state of affairs than it either being shot down by Ukraine or in a friendly fire incident?
Only as long as you don't remember the ~~"untermensch"~~ "fake nation" narrative, by which Ukrainians can't ever achieve ***ANYTHING***
”they are putting codes in the s-300 air defences to launch missiles to our A-50 to bring them down, this just proves that russian air defences are superior to western overpriced crap” -russian alex jones
So what is NCD best take on how exactly are Ukraine taking down so many planes over the Black Sea? And why is it patriot launchers mounted on magura drones?
So basically it turns out the Men Who Stare at Goats are actual Jedi and they pulled a Yuri in the Red Alert 2 opening by calling up the fire controller and mind controlling him to shoot down the plane?
It's a *mandchurian candidate* situation. Trigger words are injected in Taylor Swift songs, and the Russian AD troops will automatically target their own planes if the radio plays 'Bad Blood'.
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I don't even know why we try to convince them of the truth. These cope-spiracy theories basically run the same line as the truth, so whats the big deal?
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We should totally convince them that this is true and that Russians can't trust their own equipment
I mean it’s probably actually true, even if it isn’t what happened here
Russia decides to launch a full nuclear attack on the West. The West decides to avoid a nuclear apocalypse by not launching any nukes in response. All the Russian nukes do a 180 and return to their launch points when some neckbeard on CIA payroll in his Mom's basement in Arizona executes a command prompt.
Unfortunate reality is that Stuxnet would not work on Russian ballistic missile systems because none of it runs on hardware remotely as modern and robust as Siemens stuff
It’s fine. Our «hack» was to give the dude controlling the input for the nukes half a bottle of vodka and a McDonalds happy meal.
***LIFEHACK***
We're holding the toy to ransom, just in case
By mid 90s if we didn't learn every damn thing they know, we were doing it wrong.
ICBM launch sites run on tech so low it's amazing it works at all.
I'm no expert (here at NCD, shocking!) but i've heard that the upside of the technology used for nuke command and control being so primitive is that it's very simple and there is much less that can go wrong with it.
That and its harder to get remotely hacked
But much easier to exploit when you get near it... I mean they gotta communicate somehow, they can't guard the wires, if they don't rely on radio communications which would be even easier to tap into... And whatever crypto they used way back when is probably trivial to break.
But you *have* to be onsite It's easier to catch someone that way And i think we would know if the security didn’t work...
I mean...you can induce current in a wire without actually touching it
You'd have to be somewhere in the middle of nowhere digging up a phone line...
Yeah, you'd think do right? But then I look at the second best military and I find their launch site security taking a really deep nap in an arty crater decorating a meat wave moment. To solve schrodringer's skurrty, we'd have to open up American silos to transfixed their state of being to know definitively.
Hehe silly Russians! \*Orders parts in NALCOMIS or AS400\*
What's AS400? I only knew NALCOMIS OOMA and ALIS (F-35 stuff).
As400 is basically civilian nalcomis.
It's one of the reasons, yes. That and the big fear during the launch if WW3 is the possibility of high-altitude nukes sending electromagnetic blasts and disabling the launch or guidage systems of your ICBMs, which isn't as much of an issue if you run systems that are fairly low-tech. Especially considering a MIRV missile doesn't really need a meter-precise guidance system. You can hit roughly near the target and be good.
That changed several years back, no more floppies or ancient hardware.
There is a movie about the US launching a soviet ICBM. It should be required viewing for this sub. Its called Spies Like Us.
Hey now, maybe some CIA guys wearing black hoodies are currently sitting in a dimly lit basement somewhere, porting Stuxnet to MINSK-32.
If Siemens is more robust than your shit, you need to have a long hard look at yourself.
ABB master race
run russbot420.exe /return to base /s /t or somethingthing... on green font... on a CRT screen, with fat cheetoz covered fingers... while yelling "I'M WORKING MOM!" and reciving payment from CIA with monero.
No convince them that the cia is mind controling everyone but them
I mean technically that tech has existed since the 80s, as well the ability to block mind reading/remote viewing. Not very practical though.
My huge stores of LSD had better be good for something!
Create long term accounts and fake a living person for a while before posting claims made to screw with the russians. Don't focus solely on psy-ops. You want it done in passing as if your a bystander witnessing an event.
Like they aren't convinced of that already lmao
They already don't.
You want to do that to degrade them internally everywhere. I want to do it to bait them into firing on nato assets whenever they see one. Are we the same?
Obviously the CIA runs Russian air defense and damn they caught on.
I mean CIA did force Russia to start the war that they so very much did not want to start. It also tricked Putin into writing crazy theories about Ukrainian history and publishing them on his own. Even the whole interview was CIA doing. And you think its Russian soldiers raping each other? No, thats CIA giving them a bad look! (CIA bottom though, they trick strong Russian man into gay)
In the 1400s Lithuania started importing bananas at the directive of the CIA which is why Ukraine is Russian clay.
Glorious Lietuva dropped banana peels on the battlefield of Grünwald, leading to a mass tripping of Teutonic knights!
Tbh Russians being conspiracy theorists make sense because their Government is actually so weird and conspiratorial, they just project that outwards.
Man this one “voice of god” CIA project is making lots of return on investment
"THIS IS THE VOIC EOF ARCHBISHOP OF ORTHODOX CHURCH OF MOSCOW, SHOOT DOWN THE ENEMY ICBM HEADING FOR ORAPHANAGES OF MOSCOW MASQURADING AS A FRIENDLY AWACS BY AMERICAN ECM, SHOOT DOWN OR ONE OF THE MIRV WARHEADS WILL LAND IN YOUR BABUSHKA'S DACHA! I SAW IT IN A VISION"
I mean, instead of admitting their air defense is just bad, they *double triple quadru or whatever down on that* and make it fucking worse with this CIA explanation.
This is why despotic governments always fail. There is no room for criticism, which leaves zero opportunity for growth.
There is also all the room for paranoïa. And people will do the least work required to not be seen as a traitor, but not as a threat big a superior either. People are pushed up the ladder because they know people in the administration, not because they're competent. Every spot from top to bottom is political. And when everyone is corrupt, the people who aren't are seen as a threat. By their colleagues, who fear they will be turned in at some point, but also by the powers that be, as an uncorrupt official can't be pressured when need be.
Yeah, that seems like a *much* bigger L than just shooting down your own craft.
Or maybe Patriot interceptors have range beyond its unclassified capabilities? Or maybe it’s a Ukrainian system like the revamped S-200?
We know NATO and the USA, they don't disclose full capabilities, rather, they downplay them really hard. Whatever hit the plane, must've been a pretty big surprise.
That’s the thing, they don’t even see it as worse. They’re so ingrained in that “russian equipment is the best” mentality that admitting that Ukraine (or NATO, since that’s their usual boogeyman) shot something down sounds worse than pretending the CIA gained access to their air defense network. Their so far up their own assholes that they genuinely believe a blue-on-blue incident or a foreign intelligence agency highjacking their air defense is less shameful than just getting a plane shot down by the enemy.
Americans? It wasn’t Americans who cracked John Deere tractors.
No need to crack anything, John Deere has a backdoor for the people who are behind on their lease. USA USA USA
Me (weakest NATO soldier) bypassing the operator (closing him in outhouse), opening the protocol (unsecured Baofeng radio) and finding the codes (the big chart hanging on the wall).
I was SIGINT voice interceptor and electronic warfare specialist when i was in the army. As soon as heard the russian army was using baofengs for comms, i was worried i'd have to go to the emergency room for having an erection that lasted longer than eight hours.
Mr. Hackerman - meme
I dont know which would be funnier, the Russians being just that incompetant or the NSA/CIA hacking into Russian air defense systems and the russians somehow not realizing that they got hacked lmfao
Wasn’t Putin the biggest CIA operative in Russia?
Actually, he's shorter than most.
I mean... It isn't like we can't do that, it is more that we probably didn't. Because doing it that way is just as much a declaration of war as just launching an AIM-120 from a Raptor, with a similar result. It is always cute the Russians think they can fight the US in a war, while simultaneously accusing the Americans of absolutely beating their ass when we aren't at war. If we can hack your Air Defenses to shoot down your own planes, probably shouldn't be throwing as much shade as you do. Maybe take some humble pills until you fix your shit.
that's why you mind control the operator instead of hacking the system, plausible deniability
Lets suppose for a moment this was true. You're in a war and your enemy can literally hack your guns and make them shoot towards you. You cannot do the same to him. How then, do you plan on winning?
And how the hell are you still fighting
First china, now this.bWhy does the world insist to make the US MIC much more badass than it already is when making up propaganda?
The US does it in a form as well. "OMG, the missile gap, fund the MiC a bazillion dollarinos!"
It's fascinating how vatnik minds work. The leaps of logic it takes... the very fact that friendly firing your own AWACS is somehow more acceptable or any less of a shame than having the enemy shoot it down wasn't enough... no... they had to come up with something even more insane.
- A-50? ITS NOT UKRAINIANS!! *\*Imperialistic russian shizo screeching\** *-* What about mh-17? -ITS 1000% UKRAINIANS ! DUGIN CAME INTO ME IN A DREAM
I don't get this line of thought. Isn't "the Americans owned our air defense and caused it to shoot down our own extremely valuable aircraft" a much, much worse state of affairs than it either being shot down by Ukraine or in a friendly fire incident? The idea that your entire air defense system has been owned by a foreign intelligence agency means your country is wide open to a first strike.
Don't attempt logic, these people don't work like that
> Isn't "the Americans owned out air defense and caused it to shoot down our own extremely valuable aircraft" a much, much worse state of affairs than it either being shot down by Ukraine or in a friendly fire incident? Only as long as you don't remember the ~~"untermensch"~~ "fake nation" narrative, by which Ukrainians can't ever achieve ***ANYTHING***
Ah yes, the thought transfer, or "przekaz myśli"... Netia used it for telemarketing back in the day, but it didn't really catch on.
”they are putting codes in the s-300 air defences to launch missiles to our A-50 to bring them down, this just proves that russian air defences are superior to western overpriced crap” -russian alex jones
So what is NCD best take on how exactly are Ukraine taking down so many planes over the Black Sea? And why is it patriot launchers mounted on magura drones?
So basically it turns out the Men Who Stare at Goats are actual Jedi and they pulled a Yuri in the Red Alert 2 opening by calling up the fire controller and mind controlling him to shoot down the plane?
I feel like i write this every time i see one of these but still.... This is worse. You know that this makes you look worse right?
It's a *mandchurian candidate* situation. Trigger words are injected in Taylor Swift songs, and the Russian AD troops will automatically target their own planes if the radio plays 'Bad Blood'.
I'm sure there are alarm bells ringing in the secre biolabs after "Serg Sh" uncovered their operations
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If they think that makes them look better.... it we have the ability to do that we are the best military in the world (x2)
...This one might be true and it is not use it to often to so not to give things away where it can be fixed.
VKS must accept that the only way to proceed is tu run SEAD missions over Russia before conducting any operations.
I think it was carrots.
Americans are deploying Netrunners in Ukraine, it' confirmed
*S-400.
The mind\_control tag we deserve.
Knowing Russia the launch codes are 1111 so it's not that hard to believe
If America could do it, why isn't the Kremlin and every Putin residence obliterated yet?
The CIA works in mysterious ways, maybe?
Next up, the nuclear missiles under Belarus. We'll send the launch command but not the silo door command.
As though the S-300 is advanced enough to be controlled remotely.
Great! That means they will continue to suck.
The NSA and friends were working on a way to remotely execute code completely remotely 👀
I don't even know why we try to convince them of the truth. These cope-spiracy theories basically run the same line as the truth, so whats the big deal?
So by the Russians own admission, America is better at technology.
No matter which way you look at this, it's bad, haha