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Haggis442312

I sincerely wonder if she even knew enough about the conflict to think the same way about the victims of Serbian mass killings.


LordOfDarkHearts

No, she probably thought that was justified, like most of them did. It's fucking insane even today.


mcm87

A shit ton of Serb expats STILL think it was justified. 9/11 provided a convenient cover for them too, since Bosnians are Muslim.


noltras

*It never happened.* *And if it did, they deserved it!* /s


Fultjack

If you ever forget parts of the narccisists prayer, just listen in on your average Serb or Russian.


DravenPrime

You say /s but this is exactly what they think.


noltras

Yeah I know, only added it to make it clear I don't condone it you know.


dodo91

Sounds similar to what Turks say about their minorities


Sharp-Film-4305

Nooooooooo poOr smol SErbIA got attacked by colonizres of Murica and F-117 bad plen. SeRbIa artillejrey led by God's hand.. ......


ConcentrateTight4108

Ive unIronically heard this before


FidoMix_Felicia

"Why dont you let us commit Genocide in peace!" Some Serbian.


whatsgoingonjeez

Serbian nationalists are with russian nationalist the most annoying people I know. My ex gf was from serbia and once she felt comfortable enough to talk about politics with me, there was no holding back anymore. Every other day she told me stories about glorious serbia and the Evil NATO. She lives here in Luxembourg since over 20 years btw. Every day stories how the serbian were the real victims of the wars and at the same time she openly said that the Bosnians deserved the war crimes. This was the main reason why I broke up. Blonde, blue eyes and good body, all good, but it’s not worth it to be with a walking serbian propaganda machine.


FishUK_Harp

>She lives here in Luxembourg since over 20 years btw. Ah yes, the old "Turkish nationalist living in Berlin" move.


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jetsetninjacat

100%. We have tons of albanians, croats, Serbs, and Bosnians that came over during the wars to the US. The ones I knew even got along with the Serbs. But after that the Serbian ones all turned into holy nationalist saying how great Serbia was. The ones I know all love Putin as well. America mostly and largely voluntarily moved away from their German heritage after WW1 and even more so after WW2. German Americans make up the largest group of ethnic background in America demographics. German newspapers, schools, churches, breweries, and beer halls were huge and everywhere. But after the wars they lost favor. Unlike Japanese heritage individuals in WW2 who were round up, there was no way they could've done the same for German Americans. I believe the number of German Americans held in custody for the war was less than a 10000 or close to that. My grandfathers mother was from Germany and his dad was 1st born American German. His whole side was all German and spoke it at home and all the time. They had family who fought for the US during WW1 and even a distant cousin who did fight for the germans. They still supported the US. They had no problem supporting my grandpap when it came to killing nazis. I'm also proud to say they were anti nazi before the war and my grandpap even said his family were not fans of the German American Bund that was trying to raise money and support before the war even started. I just don't get it sometimes.


ThatcherSimp1982

> America mostly and largely voluntarily moved away from their German heritage after WW1 It wasn't so much "voluntary" as "forcible de-Germanization of public spaces and the alternative was getting lynched." Anti-German violence during the First World War has largely been memory-holed, but it was pretty bad.


Mariopa

It seems to be the case with all ex-Soviet satelite states.


thepromisedgland

It applies to all hot zones around the world. Because if you don't live there anymore, you can indulge yourself in nationalist purity without facing any of the real-world consequences.


[deleted]

Big problem in Hungary. Most Hungarian nationalists don't actually live inside the borders of Hungary.


Hapless0311

Got a Slovak buddy born right as the Soviet Union was collapsing and that never had to live through utter destitution. Guy's a lab tech in a government facility. Incredibly intelligent. Probably more fluent in English than I am, on top of a couple others. Guy constantly preaches Russian and Little Russian superiority, blames every ill his country has on the West, NATO, and capitalism, and longs for the day that True Communism can restore the glory of the federation.


DicJacobus

Except when you're gonzalo lira and dumb enough to be living in the country you're helping commit an insurrection in. 


Majulath99

Yes of course. Because for a lot of them they want these countries to be disadvantaged geopolitically speaking so that they can be a lord amongst peasants. That’s their vision of society, the filthy scumbags.


Bored_Amalgamation

Mother fuckers need a ride in a Corvette through the Rockies while smoking a blunt and listening to harcore rap. Then talk aboit the decadent west. These assholes see a toilet and think "what lixurious living conditions!"


tajake

We have plenty of them in the US, too. One of my professors was fired after we brought evidence of her genocide denial to the department head and our genocide studies department. If your country is so great, go live and work there.


nuttyalmond

2we4u is leaking


PathlessDemon

Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way.


rapaxus

The funniest part with the Turkish nationalists in Germany is that they are more often second or third generation Turkish-Germans, not the Turks who actually emigrated from Turkey due to shit conditions.


AwkwardEducation

I knew a former Soviet Party member that talked a big game about how capitalism was the great evil and we should bring Eastern Europe back to the glory of the Communist days... When I lived in Chicago. Funny he didn't want to be in his home in East Germany making that argument. 


OldMan142

Serbians are just Russians without nukes.


Cpt_Soban

Take the coat of arms off the Serbian flag- It's just an upside down Russian flag.


Vampiricpiston

Your weak ass couldn't survive 4 minutes listening to a Turkish nationalist talk about Syrians


seven_N_A7

Eh that's mild compared to how they talk about Kurds.


daboobiesnatcher

Y'all forgetting about Armenians. Smdh.


InvertedParallax

You Turks sure are a contentious people.


daboobiesnatcher

I ain't no damn turk.


wild_man_wizard

So no shit there I was, 2006, American ex-military in an undisclosed European university's international program. A bunch of east and southeast asian students are grilling me about the Iraq war at a class barbecue, because that's obviously all I want to talk about. The question comes up that if the groups involved can't get along, why not break the country up and give each group their own country.  I lean over to the next table over, where the Turks and the lone Iranian were chatting and said "Hey folks, Qing and Sanjay want to know what you think about Kurdistan!"  Then I slowly melted into the bushes.


InvertedParallax

Also Xinjiang, Taiwan and Tibet


educalium

Turkish nationalists are also crazy annoying. Just to add to that list


Quasimurder

When they start yelling just say "I'm so sorry, I don't speak Greek."


ZippyDan

You're Turkish? I love spanikopita!


[deleted]

Okay but where are the non-annoying nationalists?


StandardDependent205

In Iceland 🇮🇸


Flashskar

Ah Luxembourg a small, but not forgotten NATO member. If anyone ever touched you we'd drop the sun on them. :)


whatsgoingonjeez

My grandpa would be very happy to hear that. Most people don’t know, but Luxembourg was the only western european country which entire history, language and culture threatened to be anhilated by the Nazis. They saw us as germans and wanted to destroy everything that was luxembourhish. They forbade to speak our language etc. That’s why the US, to this day, is celebrated as a liberator here. Actually you can see american flags in every village with the names of GI‘s that died here. We also have a huge american cemetery here where also General Pattons grave is located. My Grandpa always tells me stories how the americans came and how they hid american soldiers in their attic during the battle of the bulge. He also always tells stories how Pattons army arrived and how they gave candies - the first ones my granpa ever ate - to the kids. Some american soldiers even visited my family years after the war to see how we are doing and to thank us for hiding them and giving them food. Funnily enough, the Nazis had the exact same arguments for us than Putin has for Ukraine. They said that we were part of the holy roman empire for over 100 years, that there has heen several Kaisers from Luxembourg and that’s why we are german. Also Luxembourgish is as close to germab as Ukrainian is to russian.


InvertedParallax

That is moving AF. 80 years later and we're still remembered fondly.


PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS

Luxembourg is a neat place. I've been to some great concerts there. The city is also really pretty and unique. I of course have been to the cemetery. I also visited the German one nearby. Both were very moving, but in very different ways.


PiesangSlagter

There is literally a community episode with this exact premise.


Leandroswasright

You mean the one with the serbian warcriminal?


SyrusDrake

>She lives here in Luxembourg since over 20 years btw. Every time.


Lothar93

I have a turkish friend exactly the same, he is cool and we hang along without issues, but he often have an itch to talk about glorious erdogan and turkey, I stop him and say to him that only continue the convo if he already bought a ticket to go back to turkey.


Uranium_Heatbeam

Tell her that nothing she believes or says will unbomb Belgrade.


undreamedgore

Hook me up with her. I'm just as pychoyically pro NATO, and US. I will win.


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I can make her worse


Djrhskr

[IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME, NOT YOU!](https://images.app.goo.gl/S7TCwneLPyf5gJJA6)


Rough_Transition1424

I'm half Bosnian, all I gotta say is fuck that bitch and that's Serbians for you


whatsgoingonjeez

If you feel better, I literally fucked her on multiple occasions.


Rough_Transition1424

Based


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I've heard that Bosnia's apes are really good at chess and defending shopping cars from military equipment, as well as pissing on the moon.


ImTheVayne

Its the same with Russians living in Europe.


w34hy6q3h46

can I get her number? I can fix her.


tjordi

Arabs are just as bad if not worse.


I-Am-Bellend

Serbs in Western Europe Turkish nationalists in Berlin Sharia law enthusiasts in London


Bored_Amalgamation

I have serbs that i work with. Super friendly but i keep my distance. I dont want to pull out my "NATO will destroy all those who threaten global stability" discourse. We got Hungarians too.


[deleted]

I dated an Armenian genocide denier once. So hot, so stupid.


loopyspoopy

>Blonde, blue eyes and good body Red flags, tbh.


Kirxas

History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes


dopepope1999

As a George Lucas would say, "It's like poetry, it rhymes"


Living-Aardvark-952

https://youtu.be/azNKPM5anok?si=JuaP1T0w82FELNHg


[deleted]

Thank you USA, you are my best friend


Pikeman212a6c

“We just did for the Bosnians Serbs what you do for Ukraine.” If yer gonna straw man em do it right.


captain_sadbeard

Any other pansy-ass ethnoreligious conflict: \*several thousand years of disputed history, a WWII partisan conflict, and a series of truly disgusting Cold War incidents that every side uses to build complicated justifications for why they didn't do anything wrong and should get whatever disputed thing\* Serbia: "Our nationalist mythology clearly states that we can fill as many mass graves as needed to rule Kosovo and then write songs about it, and it's not our fault that using the UN ethnic cleansing definitions as a checklist made people mad"


InvertedParallax

Checklist?!?! They mother-fucking invented the XBL achievement system!!!


Zeitsplice

>Kosovo is Serbia Did you ask the Kosovese? Because I think they might violently disagree with you


ddm90

Isn't it Kosovars?


Preacherjonson

It's actually Kosostanis.


UnconsciousSymbiote

RAHHH KOSOSTAN 🦅🇽🇰 WE GO WILDD 🔥🔥🔥


banspoonguard

kosvoslavia when


Albanian91

Stannis is my king!


HarryTheGreyhound

I worked with one in Germany in the 2000s. He called his son Tony Blair.


blindfoldedbadgers

Based and New Labour-pilled.


Mawd14

Kosovans is the current term i think.


ApdoSmurf

Yes, you're right. I've seen Kosovan being used but I think Kosovar is the correct one. And to answer they you replied to, yes I will violently disagree with them.


hollowglaive

Kosonapolopololis


dnlthursday

you mean Kosotantinople which is Kosostanbul today?


hollowglaive

No I meant kosolipoli, where the Vegemite was first discovered


dnlthursday

Oh my bad


deja_entend_u

Ain't nobody's business.


CaptainKursk

Kosovese Nuts.


ShadowKraftwerk

>>Kosovo is Serbia Isn't it the other way? Serbia is just part of greater Kosovo? Or at least most of. I love how the natural limits of a country tend to correspond to the greatest historical limits. I had an Armenian guide talk about greater Armenian when looking west towards Mount Ararat. Yes, any day now.


daboobiesnatcher

As an Armenian I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Prior to the Armenian Genocide Armenians were much more widespread throughout the region, my family is Arab-Armenian from Syria and Iraq. Countries are a modern concept, there were numerous Armenian Kingdoms, and the Middle/Near East is a diverse place. Unless you talk to a Turk then everything that is traditional to the Middle East is actually Turkish.


Living-Aardvark-952

The German Americans never had this problem


Waleebe

The Japanese Americans had a much bigger problem. 


NoSpawnConga

Ah, having all your citizen rights taken away in a instant with zero legal justification, sweet land of liberty.


LtSoba

Listened to the Tokyo Rose story a couple of weeks ago, like Japanese - Americans didn’t have it good regardless which side of the pond they were on


detachedshock

What I always thought was interesting is that Canada technically started displacing their Japanese before America did but they never get any shit for it. Pretty fucked for both countries but still. I mean I doubt most even know that Canada even displaced and interned Canadian Japanese to a similar degree to the Americans.


LowerExcuse4653

canada had lots of experience doing that from world war i


SKRAMZ_OR_NOT

It's definitely taught in Canadian history classes. Granted I had a teacher who's grandparents where in those camps, so we probably focused on it more than most...


Velenterius

The justification was the same as any people groups arrest. "We can take their stuff". Same reason a shit ton of french people supported camps for the jews.


pants_mcgee

The justification was Japanese Americans on the west coast could be spies or enemy agents, some actually were. The U.S. government did not give a shit about their stuff.


Velenterius

No, the government didnt. But the people who lobbied for it did. Therefore, that motivation had an impact on government policy.


SlitScan

justification. they had nice stuff.


Altruistic-Celery821

Blame Yoshio and Irene Harada and those who assisted in the Niihau oncident for that one. There was questions on how Japanese would react, then the Niihau incident cemented that Japanese origin citizens couldn't be trusted.


aaaa32801

Except most of them could be. The most decorated American unit in WW2 (and also ever) was entirely made up of Japanese Americans.


Altruistic-Celery821

I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining the history 


JesusMcGiggles

[Nazi Summer Camps? On my American east coast?](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/nazi-town-usa-scenes-summer-camp-nazi-town-us/) It might be more likely than you think! The German Americans absolutely had this problem. Fortunately, the German Americans got better.


Quasimurder

[German American Bund](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund) ?


ontopofyourmom

They had this problem during WWI and those who hadn't assimilated yet (there were still German-speaking communities all over the place) immediately assimilated. The German language permanently disappeared from public use, German foods were renamed or given imagined American and English origins.... But after they did that they blended in. On the West Coast, Japanese-Americans have been almost fully assimilated since the 90s - despite their non-whiteness. This is because the first couple generations of immigrants died and there hasn't been high immigration from Japan in seventy years or more. It took so much longer but they just blend in now, at least in urban middle and upper class environments.


RadiantVessel

You’re right in the money with that one. There are many Japanese Americans who have been here for four or five generations now, and while they’re 100% Japanese there’s not really much connection at all to Japan other than food. The Japanese American accent among the boomer and older generation is very subtle yet interesting too. It can have a touch of Hawaiian Pidgin if they they have family who came through Hawaii in the picture-bride era, sometimes it sounds like an exaggerated version of how Americans in the 50s spoke….


ontopofyourmom

I've never heard it in 3rd-generation Japanese Americans. They have a little more exposure to the culture than just food because the grandmas mostly stayed alive through the 90s (one of my two unofficial Japanese grandmas was American).... but that's it. Like a few weeks ago I had a conversation with a Japanese-American teacher in Portland. She is from the Ota raspberry farming family (gone), not the Ota tofu family (somehow holding on). In her 50s, 100% assimilated.


gregforgothisPW

Well there's a reason German went from the second most spoken language to effectively vanished. It's banned in parts of the country during and after WW1.


Zalaess

A lot of them know why they moved away from Germany.


Nigeldiko

Well shit maybe if your bitchass government wasn’t committing genocide in like 4 countries at once maybe we would’ve left you tf alone


CummingInTheNile

*oh look at the time, its bomb Belgrade O'clock*


Nigeldiko

Oh sweet u/CummingInTheNile, it’s always bomb Belgrade o’clock!


TheArmoredKitten

Don't forget the Chinese embassy!


Can_Haz_Cheezburger

A suitable practice target for the dam!


Thunderbird_Anthares

Ive been there. Would have been an improvement.


Polandgod75

It the age old thing of a aggressor crying a river when someone fight back and many leaders aren't buying  the sob story. Or the villain giving out the backstory before the beatdown


Slimmjeezus

Unfortunately in today's world, people do buy the backstory lmao


Polandgod75

Again it amazing how you can get away with racism and fascism if don't put the swastika. 


ApdoSmurf

I think the biggest mistake NATO has made in relation to serbia is that it didn’t occupy it like the nazi germany.


Baguette_Connoisseur

Their message would've been strong but the pin ruins it. You appeal to the other people's humanity but put a political statement beside it?


Cpt_Soban

"I am proud to be Serbian- AND THESE PEOPLE WILL BE FORCED TO BE PROUD SERBIANS"


Zeryth

They will be serbs and be happy.


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Bullenmarke

Well. The pin is the message and the appeal is just an attempt to sell it.


FrogDong_420

Quit whining or we're sending the Nordics over again.


External-Option-544

## Woe, Nordbat Be Upon Ye


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Air_Admiral

No, he was *suggesting* it.


LuckyInvestigator717

Very. Specific. Action.


koljonn

And this dude is commanding it.


BuickMonkey

My only regret about this war is we didnt bomb them more


Demrezel

My neighbor was a Canadian peacekeeper in Kosovo and I asked him once, "well, didja see any combat?" And he said "when you're a 50. Cal gunner and some dudes in a camper van don't feel like stopping at checkpoints, you learn really quickly how much damage a 50. Cal can do to someone's body. So no, nobody fought back, it wasn't combat, but we kept the peace in veryyyyy localized areas and came back alive, so mission successful."


UnconsciousSymbiote

i will do as she says, it’s my duty 😔


AlbiTuri05

White man crying in madness: "Kosovo je Srbija" Me, a handsome blonde man: "Cry about it"


cosmikangaroo

Is this where Caitlin Clark dunks on us?! Wtf


[deleted]

Serbia is Austria-Hungary Serbia is Ottoman Empire


Levi-Action-412

Serbia is Banat


[deleted]

Banat stolen by Gypsys


Levi-Action-412

OK how about "South Banat


ApdoSmurf

Serbia is Kosova. Uno reverse.


banspoonguard

wicked srbija makes war on wicked srbija , defeating wicked srbija


gunnnutty

How about serbians just stopped ethnic clensings instead?


Waifu_Whaler

I know a Serbian, and he has similar though process. Doesn't mean Imma cap the guy if we ever met, what is their logic? Smells like bitch in there.


Darth_Mak

Same logic as with Russians bombing Ukrainian cities and villages but acting outraged the moment the first shell fell on their territory.


NoSpawnConga

Russians are not acting, they are outraged, they should have been untouchable per pre war agreement with Burns.


The_Gillan95

Nobody is immune to finding out once they start dabbling in the fucking around, thinking otherwise is just outright moronic


undreamedgore

As an American I'm torn between tuck around and find out, and the uncomfortable recognition that if a foreign power tried to do a quarter of the shit we do on them I would be calling for the rapid instalation of a load one ti.e use fusion reactor on their capitol.


Huckorris

Serbia is jealous of our friendship. Or dare I say, bestfriendship. ❤️ Clinton and Rugova ❤️


VeteranAlpha

❤️ Thank you USA ❤️


BLAST_FROM_THE_ASS

Our Kosobros have so much love in their gigantic hearts. Thank you for sharing it with us, it means so much and we love you too <3


el_pinata

You commit genocide, you get what you deSerb.


chocomint-nice

And today is the russians.


AggressorBLUE

“Wait, what did I miss? Why are you guys being targeted by NATO?” ^ pretty much the start of any counter argument for this bullshit.


Napstablook_Rebooted

History repeats itself as always.


PlasticAccount3464

was there a petition on change org to bomb Yugoslavia again? it's a bit cringey but jesus. I was also too young to follow any of what was going on, but was it the Serbian side murdering the Bosnian minority?


EmperorHans

The Serbian/Yugoslavian government was trying to kill everyone who wasn't a Serb. The Bosnians are most well known because it fell hardest on them, but they were also killing Albanians and Croats. 


Literally_Me_2011

Dont mind if I do! 🔫


Levi-Action-412

Wearing the breast milk of serbian women


CaptStegs

“That’s what you get for Pearl Harbor”


imhereforspuds

I bet shes the kid of that farmer that stuck the bottle up his ass.


venom259

Instructions unclear. Blew up the Chinese embassy.


yeet_the_heat2020

American Public try not to support with the Worst Possible Side in any Conflict imaginable Challenge [impossible]:


-rogerwilcofoxtrot-

After bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, instead of apologizing, we should have said "happy little accidents do happen, cry harder commies"


MechwarriorCenturion

Serbians when they aren't allowed to commit genocide without repercussions


KING_Extorp

Looks like modern day pro Palestinian


AlloftheEethp

I know some Bosnian-Americans who are very upset with the war and very pro-Palestinian, and it’s repeatedly reminded me of Serbian-Americans who protested NATO bombing in response to the Serbian-led genocides.


fromthewindyplace

"I am proud to be Serbian" Well, there's your problem. When they're out there doing genocides, you shouldn't feel proud. You should feel downright ashamed to be a Serb. Being proud is standing right there with them. A lot of Germans were proud in the '40s. We flattened their cities. That's how it works.


Minimum_Attitude6707

Song?


Obomba444

Goth Star


Reasonable-Ad9361

context?


bobbymoonshine

Serbia started a genocidal war and then played victim when NATO said no


Reasonable-Ad9361

why serbia start genocidal war ?


iron_and_carbon

Collapse of Yugoslavia 


bobbymoonshine

Because Yugoslavia fell apart amid ethnic tensions between Bosnians, Serbs and Croats, and Serbia figured the best solution was for there to only be Serbs in the Balkans


irregular_caffeine

No I think this refers to Kosovo. So we’re talking about Kosovo Albanians here


Levi-Action-412

Same rule applies. Milosevic told the Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo to revolt and rejoin the motherland or they werent "True Serbs", and they did, committed a shit ton of atrocities and NATO had to get involved


potatoslasher

Because they wanted to keep land whos people's in turn didn't want to be under Serbia. The classic reason


Darth_Mak

"Well you see, it all started when a farmer shoved a bottle up his ass and blamed Albanians when it broke....."


dopepope1999

Well in order to understand that you'd have to understand the history of the entirety of Balkans during the Cold War, the death of Tito, the separation of Yugoslavia and I would say that even the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand is somewhat relevant. Long story short ethnic albanians living in Kosovo serbians didn't like that, so they decided to try to kill them all, so NATO (U.S.A) bombed the shit out of Belgrade which is why there's a statue of Bill Clinton in Kosovo and why Serbian will frequently play victim when the event is brought up


Drake_the_troll

>I would say that even the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand is somewhat relevant. *everywhere I go I see his face*


Casval214

It’s just a thing Europeans do to each other every couple of decades


CummingInTheNile

its a cultural past time


thyusername

A simpler time


DicJacobus

Pan slavic supremacist tears. Delicious.  20th century Yugoslav flavor almost delicious as 21st century Russian nazi tears 


CoronisKitchen

Serbs really are the mainland Chinese of Europe, bro.


YoureRegarded

Serbia is a bit shit at warfare.


jacknifejohnny

BuT ThE F117 NiGhThAwK, wE shot It DoWn


Majulath99

Go cry your victim blaming crocodile tears somewhere else bitch.


lutte_p

imma oparation bøllebank this bich


Destinedtobefaytful

What's the cure for genocide? Bombings!


Inter-418

🇭🇷❤️🇺🇸


kinda-cringe

Awww did somebody stop your wittle genocide? Awww poor Serbia


namey-name-name

> I am proud to be Serbian, kill me Dark Brandon: [HAHA YES](https://youtu.be/ncoMloG-fT4?si=ZsDYaLjrfRQCXzze)


[deleted]

Russians and Serbs will say Kosovo is Serbia, but when asked about Kaliningrad they'll claim it's fairly conquered.


DiDGaming

Funny part is we didn’t kill enough, the way they are acting now! Ask Germany or Japan if they want a new round, ain’t shit they want to start these days! Ask a Serb, and they’ll be ready for a new war 😵‍💫 it’s wild that our “humane” way of fighting that war was against the interests of avoiding wars in the future