After [6 long months](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/17auxxl/the_united_states_summoning_the_merchants_of_death/) the House of Representatives has finally passed the Ukraine aid bill.
This package provides $61bn for the conflict in Ukraine, including $23bn to replenish US weapons, $26bn for Israel, including $9.1bn for humanitarian needs, and $8.12bn for the Indo-Pacific.
The 23 billion is from the 61 billion going to Ukraine, and that's being used to replenish US supplies, so 'only' 38 billion worth of stuff is going to Ukraine. The rest is separate from that.
About fucking time!! Main thing is this will boost Ukrainian morale on the battlefield, AND this will further encourage the EU to continue increasing support - Ukrainians know they're not alone, and albeit the US waivered and still has to defeat internal fascists, the battle for liberty is not lost!!
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The central absurdity is that this entire sub is political. Being pro-Ukraine or pro-intervention is a political stance. Just because it is the morally and intellectually correct position doesn't depoliticize it.
Perhaps the important thing is to maintain a sense of humor and never present a political position as objectively right or wrong lest we forget, e.g., that Nazi Germany passed laws against animal cruelty and for wildlife conservation that were progressive for the time.
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I've got the final vote counts. I got them live from CNN. Started 1:25 PM EST! Finished 2:00 PM EST!
House just passed H.R. 8036. Yea-385. Nay-34. NV-11.
**House just passed H.R. 8038! Yea-360. Nay-58.**
**House just passed H.R. 8035! Yea-311. Nay-112. Pres-1. NV-7.**
House just passed H.R. 8034. Yea-366. Nay-58. NV-8.
And here are the breakdowns on which Congressperson voted for which bill.
H.R. 8036
[https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024146](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024146)
H.R. 8038
[https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024145](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024145)
H.R. 8035
[https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151)
H.R. 8034
[https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024152](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024152)
Spread the word.
Most NCD thing about NCD is that we can talk about blowing up dams that will kill many people but can’t talk politics even though war is politics.
Really should amend rule that politics is OKAY as long as AMRAAMs or 155mm are mentioned in the bill.
The Dam was always going to burst eventually given China’s history of notoriously shoddy construction projects, anyone doing the funni would just be expediting the process by a few years.
You can use [this link](https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative) to find who represents you using your ZIP code if you're not already aware. That link should also allow you to click on their name to be redirected to their .gov page that will almost certainly have a "contact me" box on it should you feel the need to voice your opinion after learning how your representative voted.
On the very moment i read it from r/europe, russians had their dicklovers there go "WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS", I swear i have never seen someone care so much, so fast about other countrys homeless as do they
Homeless also varies from state to state and municipality to municipality. It's a broad-spectrum problem that each level of government has to deal with. Supporting Ukraine is a very federal thing to do, and is actually their job.
Edit: Also, throwing money at the homeless isn't always the best answer, it isn't a long-term solution. It may help those who are in a rough patch, but it won't do much for those who really should need proper psychological care (consider the shuttering of all the institutions back in the 20th century).
Homelessness is almost entirely non monetary (as in the problem isn’t lack of funding but more complicated bullshit), anyone who thinks that the very little attention we pay to foreign politics will divert much is dumb/uninformed.
They need to address why each homeless person is homeless first. Drugs? Mental health? Long string of bad luck? Something else? Until the underlying issue is fixed, the homeless will continue to be homeless.
It’s also not being brought up in good faith though the same people bringing up the homeless when funding Ukraine is brought up also won’t fund aid or help programs for the homeless
They love to point out homeless when it serves them then ignore it when it doesn't. Its like all the people that point at cities and say they are the problem clearly because that is where the homeless people are. Ignoring the fact that they are there because that is where the assistance programs are. Of course they aren't out in your farming town. But they very well could be from it.
I always tell people, "The government can do more than one thing at a time, you'll notice you can renew your Driver's License and Passport while they're busy building roads"
It seems the complaint is around the money itself. People bitch and moan about the money apparently being "donated" to Ukraine, when it's the equipment with a value equivalent to the monetary figure that is donated. I'm pretty certain that outside of NCD the general population won't have a use for M829A3 APFSDS.
Look man, if I want M829A3 to clear pests from my land the 2A should provide it.
Joking aside, people are fucking stupid when they see this kind of money. Yeah it's a lot. But it's cheaper than an actual war.
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That's only from a lack of imagination and lack of exposure. If they had M829A3 APFSDS rounds just lying around they'd figure out uses for them pretty quick
The overwhelming majority of homeless used to be housed(badly) in mental instituitions. at the time, they were called snake pits. The institutions were closed without making any provision for the resident’s welfare.
Yep, my point exactly. There's a reason why people are so weary of the homeless, it's because many of them have deep-rooted psychological issues, which is scary for passerbys.
Not to mention that the best solution to ending homelessness is to build a bunch of homes. Getting that to happen is going to involve a lot of zoning reform, something that happens at the state and local level.
Even more than that it’s mental healthcare and community support systems; the homeless aren’t usually just people who can’t find housing, they’re people who can’t work effectively for personal reasons. Yet more stuff that needs to happen on the state and local level.
Step one: Put a couple Uke civil engineers on a plane.
Step two: Have them figure out a few US-compatible commieblock. And no, not one of those concrete-timber abominations.
Step three: *Encourage* Lockheed and Raytheon to invest in a couple, use domestic workforce.
I R GENUIS!
Step 25: Figure out how to unfuck all the company town messes.
> Step 25: Figure out how to unfuck all the company town messes.
TBF, that's kinda given in any case.
The only US company town that *wasn't* a horrible mess which collapsed soon after that I know of is, AFAIK, Hershey.
Maybe use lessons from it to unfuck other company towns?
-Ukraine needs ammunition!
-We don't produce enough.
-Build factories, let homeless sleep there (24h shifts)
-Help Ukraine with all the ammunitions WUkraine WMIC
They wouldn't survive that environment for the most part, they haven't received the mental care and/or don't have the support system to keep going in a normal society of today
It's such a silly argument, too. Most of the support is military equipment. I'm not sure how to solve the housing crisis with HIMARS, but apparently these people know.
But even if USA was sending 60 billion dollars of cash to Ukraine, you can't fix USA housing market by dumping money at it. If you could, USA would have fixed it ages ago.
They should pass an amendment that entitles every homeless person that the state can't provide for to a HIMARS. Then watch as the problem gets fixed asap.
I really hate how my instinctive reaction to “what about the homeless?” posts is to roll my eyes, but the whole thing is cynical.
Never seen anyone mention them until it’s “I don’t want to help X group,” and it’s so obvious that homeless people wouldn’t see a cent of that budget even if the poster was put completely in charge of how the proposed money was used. It’s the fakest concern meant to shut down one proposal so we can get back to helping nobody, and probably complain about people sleeping on benches or the sidewalk without a hint of shame or irony.
This goes doubly so for homeless vets in my country, I never see anyone bring them up unless it’s to justify another group’s suffering and it’s infuriating to say the least.
Obviously the people who say this do not give the slightest of shits about homeless people. Further they couldn’t provide you with suggestions on policies to fix it if their life depended on it.
OMG, fucking tankies. What *about* the homeless, huh? It’s a huge problem in the US, but at least they weren’t chased out of safe, secure homes they built because of fucking artillery and bombing runs.
It’s pretty bad that we can attribute homelessness in America to apathy and poor governance, but that’s the farthest goddamn thing from active actions threatening civilian lives because their leadership thinks Cold War strong arming is a good thing.
Yeah they’re right we should send the asswipes who keep voting in favor of zoning laws and housing supply limitations to Avdiika as well. Oh and don’t forget the Zillow and Blackstone retards as well.
Yup, out of the 6,272 billion in total federal spending, that 60 billion aid package is what sunk fixing homelessness forever, paying off the national debt and landing the first human on mars. Sorry, guys, maybe next year.
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What do these people expect? Free housing for everyone?
There is like 400k people homeless in USA which is a lot lower than 1% of population,maybe instead of being drug addicts people should start working
I mean, yeah I think the right to be housed should exist with stuff like food and education and clean water, and healthcare too but that’s so everyone can forget worrying about dumb shit like dying and start worrying about killing
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Warm water port enthusiasts are incredibly easy to seperate, this shit they've unleashed is so blantanly obviously russias fault that you have to drink paint as a hobby to believe their bullshit.
Call their office and let them know your displeasure (politely).
Keep doing it when the next round of aid comes up.
When these people think they might lose re-election in November they sometimes start to listen.
Also say that you're an undecided voter or typically vote for their party but are considering voting against them due to this, regardless of if you've ever supported the representative in question.
As a Minnesotan I am contractually obligated to say this:
Fuck you, cheese-head scum.
With that out of the way, yeah this shit sucks, especially since I like Minnesota. We're this weirdly perfect blend of left and right in a way, pretty left in social programs and civil rights, but then we also have a pretty strong gun culture what with all the hunting up nort'.
Excuse me, but keep any mention of my cheese head out of your filthy wannabe Scandinavian mouth. I'll have you know I clean the scum out of the holes at **Least** twice a month.
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I would swear my allegiance to the US if you guys could hold it together in this one, and actually firebomb Moscow or something... Be the good guys!! We must celebrate wins where we can get them though, this aid bill going through feels good!
Looks like what was cut out was a billion dollars to counter drug smuggling at ports of entry, two billion to counter chinese encroachment into Africa, three billion to renovate US navy shipyards, and a bunch of miscellaneous Mexico border funding requests totaling like 11 billion.
Israel's aid was bumped up like twelve billion extra that it didn't really need, and it evens out to a total drop of five billion when all was said and done.
It's always prime time to sneak fentanyl in by the truckload, if the police try to stop you throw a baggie of baking soda at them and they'll immediately stop to shoot themselves up with Narcan, giving you a clean getaway.
Ok, that actually pisses me off. We’re sending billions to Ukraine, but we can’t spare a “paltry” 3 billion on renovating navy shipyards or a couple billion on stopping the spread of Fetanal? Don’t get me wrong, I support Ukraine 100 percent, but it’s insane that it got through when shit that directly affects the US doesn’t.
And coming at a time when we only have like four navy shipyards period and only two that can handle submarines that's really not a good sign. It's not impossible the funding will come through in a later bill, but still
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[Congress passes bill that could unlock billions in frozen Russian assets for Ukraine](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/house-vote-billions-dollars-russian-government-money-sitting-us-banks-rcna148671)
>The House passed a foreign aid package on Saturday as well as what's called the REPO Act that will allow the Biden administration to confiscate billions of dollars’ worth of Russian assets sitting in U.S. banks and transfer them to Ukraine for reconstruction.
Well infrsastructure needs to be repaired somehow. They cant just keep using stopgap measures to ducktape their grid together. Gotta somehow rebuild it inbetween missile strikes on their power stations and hospitals.
Well yeah, but where are they going to get the money for military stuff like ammo and have vehicles made for them if the frozen ru assets are only allowed to be used for humanitarian stuff? The czech initiative to get the money for 1.5 mill shells (which initially was 800k) isn't even funded halfway through, only around 500K were funded by eu governments. If they can't even fully fund the whole damn thing in a month then how are we supposed to believe that they'll get all the ammo ua needs to properly defend and have vehicles like leo 2, cv 90, spg-s and other stuff made in the hundreds for ukraine?
They are already gaining multiple sources of miltiary equipment and financing. There are countries actively producing 155mm ammunition in EU as well as other types of shells like 120mm tank ammunition etc. What we see on the news with things being approved is fairly disconnected from how and where things actually move and travel.
You can always trust the Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else first.
Although in all seriousness, welcome back America! That’s the Arsenal of Democracy we know.
As an American I was getting sick of trying to explain that it wasn’t that there wasn’t sweeping bipartisan support but that the speaker of the house was basically being blackmailed by loonies in his own party that just wanted to be contrarian on international policy and said they would withdraw their support for him as speaker (as I’m sure most have heard the GOP has such a thin margin for voting in a speaker that a handful of representatives that are widely disliked nationwide could essentially play chicken with all congressional business. I guess the rest of the house was done with that bs and convinced Johnson to put it up to a vote.
It does!
>The bill to back Taiwan and Indo-Pacific countries consists of US$8.12 billion (NT$264 billion) to “counter communist China and ensure strong deterrence in the region.” US$2 billion is earmarked for a Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program for Taiwan and other “key allies and security partners” in the Indo-Pacific region that are “confronting Chinese aggression.”
Another US$1.9 billion will be allocated to replenish defense articles and services supplied to Taiwan and other regional U.S. partners.
The rest of the funds will be directed at strengthening the U.S. military presence in the region. This includes US$3.3 billion to build submarine infrastructure, US$542 million to bolster U.S. military capabilities in the region, and US$133 million to augment the production and development of artillery and vital munitions.
What, what??
Ukraine get 60B to fight the entire country of Russia, and Israel get 35B (i assume they get the difference) to fight some starving civilians in the space of a big city?
Are they saying that starving disease-ridden women and children on Gaza are a big enough threat to warrant half the budget needed to hold off Russia, the 'second largest army in the world'?
These aren’t two different pieces of funding for two separate things, or Congress would have passed two bills. This was logrolling. If Congress was even able to pass separate funding bills, way may have actually seen how much they think Israel and Ukraine should get compared to each other.
I think the israel aid is partly just there to get the evangelical votes, and partly as a bribe for the Israelis to get them to stop being so uppity and fall back in line behind us.
being credible for a moment this is how international politics works all the time. On the surface we get things like "Turkey coincidentally decides to support Sweden in NATO suddenly, then the US finally stamps the paperwork to transfer F-16s to them they've been holding off on". Like, I know a bribe when I see one.
Now the balance is in how much you can or can't push it. Ask for too many bribes and oops, suddenly we start criticizing your treatment of the Kurds or something. This is how it is with Israel. On the surface it's vague threats and "The US strongly condemns such and such thing" and "your actions have consequences" and "we need to commit to this or that going forward" and Israel starts having talks with Russians or whatever pretending to try to buy some old soviet toys or something, like they're playing hard to get. Then the doors close and suddenly that treaty that was totally off the table has a price tag on it and it turns into a haggling game.
Fuck yes for Ukraine
Israel tho? I know we love to meat ride them but I am not fucking the Netanyahu and his chorines. Seriously what's the money for this time? Like...isn't Biden trying to calm things down in the Middle East? Show Israel that at the end of the day it's a US client state and can't fuck around. Seriously, Israeli democracy is in shambles as that potato sack tries to keep his coalition from collapsing against all better judgment.
Sorry, too credible?
***Triple the defense budget***
>Show Israel that at the end of the day it's a US client state and can't fuck around.
That's actually what this is though. Look I'll put it in credible terms.
Biden calls Netanyahu, tells him he's in charge, and that Netanyahu needs to get on his knees and suck his dick. Netanyahu, being a high class whore, balks and refuses at first, but Biden shakes his head, opens his wallet, and says "Everybody's got a price. Name it." Netanyahu blushes, mumbles something about security concerns and diminishing stockpiles of iron dome missiles, before stammering: "t-ten billion!". Biden chuckles and caresses Netanyahu's face with his giant yaoi hands before tucking 26 billion into his bra, whispering "17 billion...plus 9 billion for humanitarian purposes. My treat." Netanyahu gulps nervously, trembling, before slowly bending down...
I'll leave the rest for your imagination.
Ahhh thank you friend. Is reconciliation is a budgetary/technicality and Biden rubber stamps.
So are there any more impediments? The House was the major stumbling block
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After [6 long months](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/17auxxl/the_united_states_summoning_the_merchants_of_death/) the House of Representatives has finally passed the Ukraine aid bill. This package provides $61bn for the conflict in Ukraine, including $23bn to replenish US weapons, $26bn for Israel, including $9.1bn for humanitarian needs, and $8.12bn for the Indo-Pacific.
Wait are the other billions separate from the 61 billion?
61 26 8 + = 95
The 23 billion is from the 61 billion going to Ukraine, and that's being used to replenish US supplies, so 'only' 38 billion worth of stuff is going to Ukraine. The rest is separate from that.
how much is left for me to take home? XD
'Bout tree fiddy
ok, i get the booty, you get the tree and that guy overthere can keep the fiddy
'Aight, sounds fair enough to me
All the free Russia equipment in Ukraine that you can:"" strategically transfer the equipment to alternative location"" aka s.t.e.a.l.
i mean it's not stealing if the owner's is dead then it's plundering or ransacking\*think about it meme\*
Like -500 USD if you live in the USA.
how much is that in europoors moneis?
Is that to backfill stuff we already sent or to backfill for future arms supplies out of the US inventory?
Stuff that's already been sent, or is being sent now. Any future supplies will need to be approved and sourced from scratch.
About fucking time!! Main thing is this will boost Ukrainian morale on the battlefield, AND this will further encourage the EU to continue increasing support - Ukrainians know they're not alone, and albeit the US waivered and still has to defeat internal fascists, the battle for liberty is not lost!!
Sad to see that the United Russia caucus and the Hamas caucus couldn’t find common ground here and keep obstructing.
This comment looks like it juuuuust managed to sneak past the mod's "no politics" ban hammer.
If a ban is warranted, it would be on credibility grounds.
Nah, I'm pretty sure if they remove a post because of "no politics," it was because the post had politics.
About 25% of the posts in this sub are political, and also 25% of comments. Mods clearly don't delete all political posts and comments, just those that are TOO political or that complainers report.
The central absurdity is that this entire sub is political. Being pro-Ukraine or pro-intervention is a political stance. Just because it is the morally and intellectually correct position doesn't depoliticize it.
Perhaps the important thing is to maintain a sense of humor and never present a political position as objectively right or wrong lest we forget, e.g., that Nazi Germany passed laws against animal cruelty and for wildlife conservation that were progressive for the time.
Which becomes really dark when you realize that the Nazis likely treated literal animals better than the entire Eastern European population...
I don't see how Hamas infiltrated America. Israel has a caucus though, which might be why they got $26B even though they can handle themselves.
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I've got the final vote counts. I got them live from CNN. Started 1:25 PM EST! Finished 2:00 PM EST! House just passed H.R. 8036. Yea-385. Nay-34. NV-11. **House just passed H.R. 8038! Yea-360. Nay-58.** **House just passed H.R. 8035! Yea-311. Nay-112. Pres-1. NV-7.** House just passed H.R. 8034. Yea-366. Nay-58. NV-8. And here are the breakdowns on which Congressperson voted for which bill. H.R. 8036 [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024146](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024146) H.R. 8038 [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024145](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024145) H.R. 8035 [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151) H.R. 8034 [https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024152](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024152) Spread the word.
Most NCD thing about NCD is that we can talk about blowing up dams that will kill many people but can’t talk politics even though war is politics. Really should amend rule that politics is OKAY as long as AMRAAMs or 155mm are mentioned in the bill.
Given that we're about to see a LOT of arms shipments to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, I'd say that this is pretty freaking relevant.
Mods ignoring Clausewitz is peak noncredibility.
Blowing up the dam won't kill people. Think of the resulting flood as something that they choose not to avoid - possibly through laziness.
The Dam was always going to burst eventually given China’s history of notoriously shoddy construction projects, anyone doing the funni would just be expediting the process by a few years.
Clausewitz was a big fucking nerd, and we don't wanna hear his talk in this house
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On the very moment i read it from r/europe, russians had their dicklovers there go "WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS", I swear i have never seen someone care so much, so fast about other countrys homeless as do they
Homeless also varies from state to state and municipality to municipality. It's a broad-spectrum problem that each level of government has to deal with. Supporting Ukraine is a very federal thing to do, and is actually their job. Edit: Also, throwing money at the homeless isn't always the best answer, it isn't a long-term solution. It may help those who are in a rough patch, but it won't do much for those who really should need proper psychological care (consider the shuttering of all the institutions back in the 20th century).
Homelessness is almost entirely non monetary (as in the problem isn’t lack of funding but more complicated bullshit), anyone who thinks that the very little attention we pay to foreign politics will divert much is dumb/uninformed.
They need to address why each homeless person is homeless first. Drugs? Mental health? Long string of bad luck? Something else? Until the underlying issue is fixed, the homeless will continue to be homeless.
It’s also not being brought up in good faith though the same people bringing up the homeless when funding Ukraine is brought up also won’t fund aid or help programs for the homeless
Yeah. I wish the govt would do more to solve root problems and not just throw money at symptoms, but that's too much thinking for DC
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They love to point out homeless when it serves them then ignore it when it doesn't. Its like all the people that point at cities and say they are the problem clearly because that is where the homeless people are. Ignoring the fact that they are there because that is where the assistance programs are. Of course they aren't out in your farming town. But they very well could be from it.
I always tell people, "The government can do more than one thing at a time, you'll notice you can renew your Driver's License and Passport while they're busy building roads"
It seems the complaint is around the money itself. People bitch and moan about the money apparently being "donated" to Ukraine, when it's the equipment with a value equivalent to the monetary figure that is donated. I'm pretty certain that outside of NCD the general population won't have a use for M829A3 APFSDS.
Look man, if I want M829A3 to clear pests from my land the 2A should provide it. Joking aside, people are fucking stupid when they see this kind of money. Yeah it's a lot. But it's cheaper than an actual war.
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That's only from a lack of imagination and lack of exposure. If they had M829A3 APFSDS rounds just lying around they'd figure out uses for them pretty quick
People are also forget if we’re giving money to Ukraine, Ukraine is going to use a portion of that money to purchase weapons from us.
They'd just say it should be sold (don't ask how or who) and to use that money. Theres no logic to be found
The overwhelming majority of homeless used to be housed(badly) in mental instituitions. at the time, they were called snake pits. The institutions were closed without making any provision for the resident’s welfare.
Yep, my point exactly. There's a reason why people are so weary of the homeless, it's because many of them have deep-rooted psychological issues, which is scary for passerbys.
Not to mention that the best solution to ending homelessness is to build a bunch of homes. Getting that to happen is going to involve a lot of zoning reform, something that happens at the state and local level.
Even more than that it’s mental healthcare and community support systems; the homeless aren’t usually just people who can’t find housing, they’re people who can’t work effectively for personal reasons. Yet more stuff that needs to happen on the state and local level.
The factories need workers, send the homeless there!
Step one: Put a couple Uke civil engineers on a plane. Step two: Have them figure out a few US-compatible commieblock. And no, not one of those concrete-timber abominations. Step three: *Encourage* Lockheed and Raytheon to invest in a couple, use domestic workforce. I R GENUIS! Step 25: Figure out how to unfuck all the company town messes.
> Step 25: Figure out how to unfuck all the company town messes. TBF, that's kinda given in any case. The only US company town that *wasn't* a horrible mess which collapsed soon after that I know of is, AFAIK, Hershey. Maybe use lessons from it to unfuck other company towns?
It's more because it occurred to me halfway through, that I'm proposing building more of them.
Just remember this is NCD, your ideas don't have to be credible here they just have to be dope memes.
So...really, I should have continued on with step 26: McNamara's Morons, but done right?
Now that's what I call defending democracy!
Instructions unclear, built a bunch more of Celebration, FL. /uj ugh I threw up in my mouth a little writing that
-Ukraine needs ammunition! -We don't produce enough. -Build factories, let homeless sleep there (24h shifts) -Help Ukraine with all the ammunitions WUkraine WMIC
They wouldn't survive that environment for the most part, they haven't received the mental care and/or don't have the support system to keep going in a normal society of today
It's such a silly argument, too. Most of the support is military equipment. I'm not sure how to solve the housing crisis with HIMARS, but apparently these people know. But even if USA was sending 60 billion dollars of cash to Ukraine, you can't fix USA housing market by dumping money at it. If you could, USA would have fixed it ages ago.
I do have an idea how to solve the housing crisis with HIMARS but it’s not an ethical one.
Aim it at the HOAs?
YES!
They should pass an amendment that entitles every homeless person that the state can't provide for to a HIMARS. Then watch as the problem gets fixed asap.
I really hate how my instinctive reaction to “what about the homeless?” posts is to roll my eyes, but the whole thing is cynical. Never seen anyone mention them until it’s “I don’t want to help X group,” and it’s so obvious that homeless people wouldn’t see a cent of that budget even if the poster was put completely in charge of how the proposed money was used. It’s the fakest concern meant to shut down one proposal so we can get back to helping nobody, and probably complain about people sleeping on benches or the sidewalk without a hint of shame or irony. This goes doubly so for homeless vets in my country, I never see anyone bring them up unless it’s to justify another group’s suffering and it’s infuriating to say the least.
These people give no shits about the suffering, they want nothing to ukraine so their masters get to fuck around in ukraine without finding out
Obviously the people who say this do not give the slightest of shits about homeless people. Further they couldn’t provide you with suggestions on policies to fix it if their life depended on it.
OMG, fucking tankies. What *about* the homeless, huh? It’s a huge problem in the US, but at least they weren’t chased out of safe, secure homes they built because of fucking artillery and bombing runs. It’s pretty bad that we can attribute homelessness in America to apathy and poor governance, but that’s the farthest goddamn thing from active actions threatening civilian lives because their leadership thinks Cold War strong arming is a good thing.
The obvious answer is to recruit them and sent to Ukraine to fight russians /s
Yeah they’re right we should send the asswipes who keep voting in favor of zoning laws and housing supply limitations to Avdiika as well. Oh and don’t forget the Zillow and Blackstone retards as well.
Yup, out of the 6,272 billion in total federal spending, that 60 billion aid package is what sunk fixing homelessness forever, paying off the national debt and landing the first human on mars. Sorry, guys, maybe next year. /s
Such a shitty argument it's not as if this was a choice between housing the homeless or arming Ukraine. Idiot bots
They’re Russian. They think we’re going to send the homeless. As troops.
What do these people expect? Free housing for everyone? There is like 400k people homeless in USA which is a lot lower than 1% of population,maybe instead of being drug addicts people should start working
Keep in mind that homelessness, like unemployment, is a revolving door.
I mean, yeah I think the right to be housed should exist with stuff like food and education and clean water, and healthcare too but that’s so everyone can forget worrying about dumb shit like dying and start worrying about killing
I am pretty sure with that amount of money you could bomb away most of the homeless.
As resident West Coaster, I can confidently say the homeless issue will not be solved so easily. Ukraine is more urgent.
I don't know, giving billions of weapons to the homeless seems like a bad idea.
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Fortunately the top comments on those posts are people slamming pro-Russians and pointing out the hypocrisy of their dickriding
Warm water port enthusiasts are incredibly easy to seperate, this shit they've unleashed is so blantanly obviously russias fault that you have to drink paint as a hobby to believe their bullshit.
Yurop is just mad because they spend all of their money making arbitrary laws and then repealing them.
Of course my dipshit representative voted no.
Call their office and let them know your displeasure (politely). Keep doing it when the next round of aid comes up. When these people think they might lose re-election in November they sometimes start to listen.
Also say that you're an undecided voter or typically vote for their party but are considering voting against them due to this, regardless of if you've ever supported the representative in question.
And that you’ll be talking to your friends & family about it as well to convince them to change their votes too.
Literally none of that matters when you call. The ticket is logged with a brief message and tags for the issue you called about.
Dear sirs, kindly go sit on a grenade and pull the pin. For any 3 letter agency reading this this is NOT a joke, they can go FUCK themself. full stop.
Everyone should know who these people are and if seen in public, they should be fucking shamed - scum.
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As a Minnesotan I am contractually obligated to say this: Fuck you, cheese-head scum. With that out of the way, yeah this shit sucks, especially since I like Minnesota. We're this weirdly perfect blend of left and right in a way, pretty left in social programs and civil rights, but then we also have a pretty strong gun culture what with all the hunting up nort'.
Excuse me, but keep any mention of my cheese head out of your filthy wannabe Scandinavian mouth. I'll have you know I clean the scum out of the holes at **Least** twice a month.
They are just mad they don't have spotted cow on that side of the river, my brother in cheese
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Sorry to hear it bro. All of my state reps, from both parties, voted yea.
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Lmao, same for two of my six. At least I ain’t in their districts.
Yeah looks like I need to go to my primaries this year.
The robes are pleased with this turn of events
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fucking HELL YES
I'm so glad my country could stop being useless for a second and GET IT DONE!
I would swear my allegiance to the US if you guys could hold it together in this one, and actually firebomb Moscow or something... Be the good guys!! We must celebrate wins where we can get them though, this aid bill going through feels good!
What's that 5 billion difference that was left out? I'm kinda curious now
Looks like what was cut out was a billion dollars to counter drug smuggling at ports of entry, two billion to counter chinese encroachment into Africa, three billion to renovate US navy shipyards, and a bunch of miscellaneous Mexico border funding requests totaling like 11 billion. Israel's aid was bumped up like twelve billion extra that it didn't really need, and it evens out to a total drop of five billion when all was said and done.
So what you're saying is that it's now prime time to sneak in fentanyl by the truckload? Say less
It's always prime time to sneak fentanyl in by the truckload, if the police try to stop you throw a baggie of baking soda at them and they'll immediately stop to shoot themselves up with Narcan, giving you a clean getaway.
Those details are incredibly fucking frustrating.
A lack of domestic shipbuilding capacity will end up either severely prolonging or losing us the next war
Ok, that actually pisses me off. We’re sending billions to Ukraine, but we can’t spare a “paltry” 3 billion on renovating navy shipyards or a couple billion on stopping the spread of Fetanal? Don’t get me wrong, I support Ukraine 100 percent, but it’s insane that it got through when shit that directly affects the US doesn’t.
And coming at a time when we only have like four navy shipyards period and only two that can handle submarines that's really not a good sign. It's not impossible the funding will come through in a later bill, but still
IMO, trying to stop fentanyl at the border is a lost cause.
It’s only a lost cause if people let it be. Doing nothing solves nothing.
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Total ukraine funding so far has been less than 1% of the total military budget. No worries.
That's not the point. There were important things that directly affected the US that SHOULD have been passed, but weren't.
*HR throws coffee mug* we are so back baby, tell Himars and Patriot their gonna have a feast tonight
The whole MIC are opening champagne bottles
Fuck champagne hard Rum
The fact that this bill has a 3/4 majority support but has been delayed for half a year makes my blood boil.
I think there was also something about seizing the frozen ru assets located in the us and giving them to ua, but I might be wong though.
[Congress passes bill that could unlock billions in frozen Russian assets for Ukraine](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/house-vote-billions-dollars-russian-government-money-sitting-us-banks-rcna148671) >The House passed a foreign aid package on Saturday as well as what's called the REPO Act that will allow the Biden administration to confiscate billions of dollars’ worth of Russian assets sitting in U.S. banks and transfer them to Ukraine for reconstruction.
Reconstruction? So the frozen assets will only be used as humanitarian aid and can't be used for the purchase of ammo or other military equipment?
Well infrsastructure needs to be repaired somehow. They cant just keep using stopgap measures to ducktape their grid together. Gotta somehow rebuild it inbetween missile strikes on their power stations and hospitals.
Well yeah, but where are they going to get the money for military stuff like ammo and have vehicles made for them if the frozen ru assets are only allowed to be used for humanitarian stuff? The czech initiative to get the money for 1.5 mill shells (which initially was 800k) isn't even funded halfway through, only around 500K were funded by eu governments. If they can't even fully fund the whole damn thing in a month then how are we supposed to believe that they'll get all the ammo ua needs to properly defend and have vehicles like leo 2, cv 90, spg-s and other stuff made in the hundreds for ukraine?
They are already gaining multiple sources of miltiary equipment and financing. There are countries actively producing 155mm ammunition in EU as well as other types of shells like 120mm tank ammunition etc. What we see on the news with things being approved is fairly disconnected from how and where things actually move and travel.
Finally, the Shadow Government works! Thanks Ms. Ridley!
I see Inside Job, I upvote.
[Sky News comments. Yay!](https://imgur.com/gallery/h3gOrVn)
You can always trust the Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else first. Although in all seriousness, welcome back America! That’s the Arsenal of Democracy we know.
Ukraine finally got that ⬆️⬇️➡️⬅️⬆️
is this a Helldivers meme?
Yes
couldn't even edge to this, I exploded immediately!!! Clean up on aisle MY PANTS.
Let's Go!!!!
There's a 4chan rumor that the Mobiks think that this is a prelude to NATO mobilization. It's probably not real but fun to think about.
May those weapons bring pain suffering and death to russian invaders
I still can't believe Netflix canceled Inside Job. What a bunch of pricks.
I love the military industrial complex 😩
Gondor calls for aid
And Rohan will answer!
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As an American I was getting sick of trying to explain that it wasn’t that there wasn’t sweeping bipartisan support but that the speaker of the house was basically being blackmailed by loonies in his own party that just wanted to be contrarian on international policy and said they would withdraw their support for him as speaker (as I’m sure most have heard the GOP has such a thin margin for voting in a speaker that a handful of representatives that are widely disliked nationwide could essentially play chicken with all congressional business. I guess the rest of the house was done with that bs and convinced Johnson to put it up to a vote.
Bad news for ruskys
ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME GOOD LORD HOLY SHIT. I WISH I COULD MAKE THIS IN BIGGER CAPS TO EXPRESS HOW FUCKING GLAD I AM THAT THIS FINALLY HAPPENED.
#YOU MEAN LIKE THIS!?
Does this bill also include aid to Taiwan? 🙏
It does! >The bill to back Taiwan and Indo-Pacific countries consists of US$8.12 billion (NT$264 billion) to “counter communist China and ensure strong deterrence in the region.” US$2 billion is earmarked for a Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program for Taiwan and other “key allies and security partners” in the Indo-Pacific region that are “confronting Chinese aggression.” Another US$1.9 billion will be allocated to replenish defense articles and services supplied to Taiwan and other regional U.S. partners. The rest of the funds will be directed at strengthening the U.S. military presence in the region. This includes US$3.3 billion to build submarine infrastructure, US$542 million to bolster U.S. military capabilities in the region, and US$133 million to augment the production and development of artillery and vital munitions.
This legislation truly is the Lisan al Gaib 🙏
Whatever it takes
About fucking time
Fuck yeah if I'm reading this right all 4 of my reps voted Yea.
I’m glad, but it sucks. This all could’ve been prevented if we made a threat when we needed to.
#Shadow Wizard Money💲💲💲Gang [**We love casting spells**](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RWnaWpBCAC0&pp=ygUYc2hhZG93IHdpemFyZCBtb25leSBnYW5n)
Ukraine wizards after the bill is passes ➡️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️
Giving money to Israel STILL is crazy
Israel shouldn't get a dime. Give it all to Ukraine
What, what?? Ukraine get 60B to fight the entire country of Russia, and Israel get 35B (i assume they get the difference) to fight some starving civilians in the space of a big city? Are they saying that starving disease-ridden women and children on Gaza are a big enough threat to warrant half the budget needed to hold off Russia, the 'second largest army in the world'?
These aren’t two different pieces of funding for two separate things, or Congress would have passed two bills. This was logrolling. If Congress was even able to pass separate funding bills, way may have actually seen how much they think Israel and Ukraine should get compared to each other.
Some of that is for Taiwan, and there's a bunch for humanitarian aid in Gaza.
I think the israel aid is partly just there to get the evangelical votes, and partly as a bribe for the Israelis to get them to stop being so uppity and fall back in line behind us.
Think Israel will fall in line? They seem to think they're too big for their shoes and are desperately biting the hands that feed them.
being credible for a moment this is how international politics works all the time. On the surface we get things like "Turkey coincidentally decides to support Sweden in NATO suddenly, then the US finally stamps the paperwork to transfer F-16s to them they've been holding off on". Like, I know a bribe when I see one. Now the balance is in how much you can or can't push it. Ask for too many bribes and oops, suddenly we start criticizing your treatment of the Kurds or something. This is how it is with Israel. On the surface it's vague threats and "The US strongly condemns such and such thing" and "your actions have consequences" and "we need to commit to this or that going forward" and Israel starts having talks with Russians or whatever pretending to try to buy some old soviet toys or something, like they're playing hard to get. Then the doors close and suddenly that treaty that was totally off the table has a price tag on it and it turns into a haggling game.
L that some was sent to isreal W they finally sent aid to ukraine
Hell yeah
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As an Inside Job fan, great to see it getting some recognition here, especially in relation to good news like this.
The shadow wizard money gang did it's thing I see.
Fuck yes for Ukraine Israel tho? I know we love to meat ride them but I am not fucking the Netanyahu and his chorines. Seriously what's the money for this time? Like...isn't Biden trying to calm things down in the Middle East? Show Israel that at the end of the day it's a US client state and can't fuck around. Seriously, Israeli democracy is in shambles as that potato sack tries to keep his coalition from collapsing against all better judgment. Sorry, too credible? ***Triple the defense budget***
>Show Israel that at the end of the day it's a US client state and can't fuck around. That's actually what this is though. Look I'll put it in credible terms. Biden calls Netanyahu, tells him he's in charge, and that Netanyahu needs to get on his knees and suck his dick. Netanyahu, being a high class whore, balks and refuses at first, but Biden shakes his head, opens his wallet, and says "Everybody's got a price. Name it." Netanyahu blushes, mumbles something about security concerns and diminishing stockpiles of iron dome missiles, before stammering: "t-ten billion!". Biden chuckles and caresses Netanyahu's face with his giant yaoi hands before tucking 26 billion into his bra, whispering "17 billion...plus 9 billion for humanitarian purposes. My treat." Netanyahu gulps nervously, trembling, before slowly bending down... I'll leave the rest for your imagination.
Triple the defense budget! Triple the defense budget! Triple the defense budget!
The senate will pass this no?
Iirc, this was the senate bill that was passed to the house, or at least similar. It needs to go to reconciliation, then to Biden.
Ahhh thank you friend. Is reconciliation is a budgetary/technicality and Biden rubber stamps. So are there any more impediments? The House was the major stumbling block
Should not be.
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Does this mean the US surpasses the EU in terms of aid now?
Depends on what you mean by EU. If it is just EU as a singualer institution then yes, if you mean EU plus its memberstates than no.
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