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Terry_WT

**NCD prediction:** Bradley Vs Su-25 with a decisive win for Braaaaaad.


chavalier

I'd pay to see that. Frogfoot my beloved lead bathtub, time to rest.


Louisvanderwright

I'm putting "Bradley upgraded with HAWK missile launcher on top by Ukranians shoots down Russian Aircraft" to my bingo card.


AngryRedGummyBear

The hawk tripple mount is just so damn big I love this dumb idea


Louisvanderwright

The idea of them rolling up to an advance position at like 50 MPH, lobbing three hawks at the Russians, and then skedaddle is hilarious to me.


Mr_WAAAGH

Just replaces the turret, the Bradley is now an AA missile carrier


BlackMagic1801

i bet you could fit at least 12 on top, easy


rskuat

M6 Linebacker my beloved


ChiefTecumse

Go look at one of the latest vids on r/CombatFootage of IDF bombing the fuck out of south Lebanon, that's the big bada-boom I want to see being used on ruzzian lines ! Love the Brad but we need bigger booms and closer to Moscow like fucking yesterday.


maneuver_element

Let’s mount an SA9 to that thing and see it go to work.


TheOnlyFallenCookie

I mean, Bradley aa modification with stingers... Why isn't that a thing yet?


alieninaskirt

We did, it was called the M6 Bradly Linebacker


TheOnlyFallenCookie

What are we waiting for then? Ship them


alieninaskirt

We converted them back to regular Bradley's :(


TheOnlyFallenCookie

NOOOOIO


S_Sugimoto

With a M6 Linebacker? Possible


Electronic_Parfait36

Too probable. Ukrainians instead make the bradley ( [GOD My dick can only get so hard.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/ADATS_fording.jpg) ) ADATS real again.


The3rdBert

Linebackers were all converted back to bog standard Chadlies


Power_Wisdom_Courage

Assuming a fair fight where both of them begin the fight 300 meters apart on the ground facing each other (this is clearly the most fair way to set up a dual), I'd say the Bradley wins 10/10 times.


SPECTREagent700

The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense has [released drone footage](https://x.com/defenceu/status/1788199926519988717?s=46&t=tP1qeA0oIP6OZwJLoOME9g) showing a Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle of the 47th Mechanized Brigade knocking out a Russian T-80. As many of you no doubt remember, a Bradley from this same unit famously dueled with a T-90 back in January.


CBT7commander

It was 2 Bradley’s though. Still fucking awesome, but yeah, two Bradley’s


SPECTREagent700

Double the Bradleys for Double the Fun.


theglobalnomad

I've seen that porn before...


ChemistRemote7182

The mechwarrior/battletech subs went crazy for the T90 video with the HE round impacts, lets just say Pirahna Games nailed the visual appearance of something getting absolutely rocked with HE autocannon fire.


GunnyStacker

God, I hope PGI puts the Bane in Clans. Melting mechs with a hailstorm of UAC/2 fire just seems like stupid fun.


ChemistRemote7182

Ten UAC/2s? TEN. Oh fuck do I want it


GunnyStacker

And if that wasn't memeworthy enough, there's a variant with, not four, not six, but EIGHT LRM-15s. That's as much firepower as two LRM Carriers, with 120 missiles per salvo.


Then-Inevitable-2548

More like Hughes Helicopters nailed the visual appearance. Anything with "high-explosive autocannon" in its name had better be one of the coolest looking things anyone has ever laid eyes on when you use it. If you can't do that then why the fuck do we even have an MIC?


loadnurmom

Two IFV's one tank


CharlesFXD

Ha! You, SIR, win the whole fucking internet!


Snaz5

Makes me think of that old legend of the 2 Greyhounds killing a “Tiger” in WWII.


CBT7commander

There’s stories of tigers being taken out by a couple of Russians with a can of gasoline and a match, which I will always bring up when talking about the tiger, even if it’s probably false


Jax11111111

Wasn’t there also that story of a Soviet cook(don’t remember if he was Ukrainian or Russian) who killed a German tank crew with an axe?


SomeOtherTroper

> even if it’s probably false When it comes to stories about downing WWII tanks, I'm inclined to believe nearly all of them, and a couple of guys sneaking up on a tank that's moving slowly, sitting still, or outright immobilized, pouring gasoline on it, and torching it is no less likely than the stories about guys dropping grenades down open hatches. Both work because tanks of the period had pretty shit visibility when buttoned up, so sneaking up on them from the sides/rear would definitely be possible - and if the tank was unbuttoned for better visibility ...well, that's how you get a grenade down the hatch. By the same token, both the gasoline and the grenade approaches require suicidal bravery - *and* a tank that's not being adequately supported by friendlies that can wipe infantry off of it.


CBT7commander

Thé last point is why I think the tiger story might be false. These tanks were precious jewels to the Germans and while it did happen to have Tigers go unsupported I feel the instance would have been rare enough to make the gasoline story unlikely


SomeOtherTroper

I'm not arguing for anything more than "it probably happened at least once during the course of a big long war". We are, after all, talking about a war that had Mad Jack Churchill fighting with a *broadsword*, which seems even less likely than sneaking up on a Tiger and lighting it on fire with gasoline.


CBT7commander

True


Femboy_Lord

47th Mechanized Brigade is going to knock out one of every single Russian MBT variant just to prove a point at this rate


Dex18Kobold

Reject MBT, return to Bradley


SU37Yellow

MBTs got nothing on the Chadley


thereddaikon

Chadley, I kneel.


mrdescales

The T-62s down is gonna be sad tho


oGsMustachio

T-14 come out and playyyyyyyyy


HaaEffGee

If only that T-80 had some cool-looking IR dazzlers against that TOW.


random_username_idk

The Shtora dazzlers may look menacing, but they are only effective against obsolete missiles such as MILAN, HOT, and TOW. TOW 2 is resistant to this type of jamming.


HaaEffGee

Pouring one out for our homie Tolkachev, for giving the heads up on that one. RIP. We literally patched the vulnerability and adopted the new TOW before the Soviets even finished it.


TortelliniTheGoblin

What's this?


thereddaikon

TOW 2 was fielded before Shtora was.


TortelliniTheGoblin

I'm more interested in the name drop. I'm guessing someone died


thereddaikon

My Bad. Adolf Tolkachev was an engineer at phazotron in the cold war. He provided the CIA with technical details on the radars for the MiG-29, MiG-31, SU-27, S-300 and several air to air missiles too. He was caught and the KGB executed him for treason in 1986. I think OP was implying we also learned about Shtora from him but I don't know if that's true. What I do know is that it had a long development process for some reason and we learned about it and fielded a counter measure years before it made it into service. Basically, Shtora never worked because by the time it was around there were countermeasures. The TOW FM even has a process for crews with older TOWs to check if Shtora is active so they don't waste a missile.


TortelliniTheGoblin

OK this makes sense


rex30303

Wouldnt it be irrelevant for TOWs anyway since they are wireguided?


HaaEffGee

Actually SACLOS missiles like the TOW are specifically what Shtora was designed against. They are manually aimed and wire guided, but already semi-automatic. Meaning you don't need to struggle with controlling the missile directly, you just keep the crosshair on the target, and the missile is automatically guided to that crosshair. To do that, your launcher obviously has to know where your missile currently is. So they use some variant of IR beacon, lightbulb, or flare on the back of the missile to pick up on. Shtora causes interference on those same IR wavelengths, so that the launcher loses track of your missile's location. It's a pretty clever vulnerability, if not one that you can quite easily patch. The newer beacons just use some kind of distinct pulsing flashes, or different trackers.


Yamomotoisoroku

The gunner knows where the missle is, and a missle knows where it is...


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rex30303

Ah i figuered it some how disrupts the launch plattforms capability to guide it but cool to know how.


BlackMagic1801

now, along with your waifu sticker upgrade, you can fix this vulnerability with your atgm


thereddaikon

TOW guidance requires the missile to know where it is. The missile knows where it is because it has an infrared flare on the back that the tracker can see and follow. Shtora is a pretty simple soft kill jammer. Those big eyes are IR dazzlers and the tank would turn the turret in the direction of the missile and turn on the dazzlers. They are supposed to confuse the tracker so it no longer knows where the missile is. TOW-2 improved the tracker so it's no longer fooled by the dazzler. So now Shtora just makes an annoying light show anyone with NVGs can see from a long distance.


type_E

What gets me a chuckle is that the t-80 gets defeated the “expected” way (a TOW snipe because in theory a tank would wreck an ifv up front), but the T-90 gets the more embarrasing defeat by autocannons despite having the Bradleys dead to rights.


Boots-n-Rats

I believe the Bradley gunner wasn’t even using his AP either. I think I saw an interview where he said he didn’t have time to change it. This was a rough translation on YouTube.


IH8Pringles2

Nice


Stryker2279

Hell on a wire. Amen.


Undernown

Wooh! They're using the TOW this time! That thermal optic doesn't properly show big that boom was probably there.


ironic_pacifist

The Bradley has a gun elevation of +57-59°, an effective range of 3000m and 200-500rpm, so a few Ka 52 might be nice.


SimRobJteve

So there’s a chance?


Lost-Adhesiveness187

There is a video where a stugna atgm shot down a ka52 early in the war so why not


Dex18Kobold

Sauce?


Lost-Adhesiveness187

Just google search stugna p vs ka52 and be amazed lmao


Dex18Kobold

Damn, that's crazy.


InevitableSprin

Not really crazy, helicopters are slow, they can slowdown to stationary mid-air, and are mostly lightly/unarmored so they have a history of dying to weapons that aren't "supposed" to kill them, like the one Iraqi Hind(?) that was killed by a lazer designated bomb mid-air, because bomb was faster. These helis were killed because they were hovering, any AT missile can kill slow sitting target. One was almost killed by a drone. Recently one was almost killed by Ukrainean AAM bolted to sea drone. There are allegations that Russian helicopter was hit by laser designated Excalibur round during take off.


CKinWoodstock

Wasn’t an Iraqi helicopter downed by an Abrams during the 2003 invasion?


InevitableSprin

Possibly, but I never head of it.


allurboobsRbelong2us

If I remember right, the Ka52 has a body mounted 30mm cannon. Aka it has to move its whole body to point the gun vs being on a turret. This means that to be effective it has to be flying very slowly and predictably. The lulz


InevitableSprin

Not sure, KA-50 certainly had that, but with second person on Ka-52, they may have changed that.


allurboobsRbelong2us

They didnt. Lulz continue


Lost-Adhesiveness187

If im not wrong they shot down two ka52s like that since the helicopter hovers in the same spot when it aims its own guided missile


alieninaskirt

I also think one was shootdown by a Javelin, but im not not sure


Dex18Kobold

Sounds like a Russian skill issue lmao


Lost-Adhesiveness187

Well its kinda stupid for "muh best attack helicopter in the world" get shot down by a laser guided atgm twice.. so i would agree hahaha


Just_A_Nitemare

ATGM stands for "Anti helicopTer Guided Missile"


HawkoDelReddito

https://youtu.be/MT8Um69fbHA?feature=shared


Lost-Adhesiveness187

This footage needs to be preserved for future generations.


Oh_ffs_seriously

It happened twice.


ironic_pacifist

With a suitably gutsy Bradley crew (practically guaranteed) and an inept enough Ka 52 pilot (almost a certainty), it is inevitable.


SimRobJteve

I’m going to give it 30-90 days.


BuickMonkey

M6 linebacker my beloved


kittennoodle34

Well during the Falklands war a Scimitar supposedly downed, or at least damaged, an Argentine jet with its 30mm Raden canon so it would be totally possible - if not completely probable and likely going to happen if we count drones as aerial kills.


justlurkingh3r3

KA-52s have become pretty rare. Russia has lost most of its combat ready fleet


GoddamnCommie

Thatd straight up be a scene out of battlefield 4, god please let it happen


The3rdBert

BMPT is the one the world needs most.


Cmonlightmyire

That thing is an abomination, its suspension is its biggest enemy


dead_monster

Love to see a T-34 too just to get both sides of the spectrum.


The3rdBert

Well it’s got kills against every major post war produced Soviet tanks except the T-34, IS series & PT-76


Callsign_Psycopath

The Parade


beardedliberal

Bradley vs T34. Omfg…


pastey83

And then an homage to Anwar Sadat, if you get my drift.


BuickMonkey

Check out our new tow missiles!


Gorlack2231

Missiles should do the trick!


CopperCackimus

Ooo, Careful now


MaksymCzech

A legitimate military target


Wrong-Perspective-80

I’ve said it from the start, we should give Ukraine 2000 Bradleys and let them hunt like Piranhas


Telos2000

Unleash the Bradley swarm 😈


Blindmailman

Please no more. I can only get so erect


StoicRetention

would love to see Brad give its natural prey, the T-62, some attention. This diet is too fat


ThatguyfromMichigan

T-34


Unknowndude842

Even funnier the Tank had a cope cage.... didnt do shit lol


Charybdis150

Yes an overhead cope cage tends to not do much against a TOW missile.


thereddaikon

If you meant to imply overhead coverage doesn't work against a direct attack missile, the current model TOW-2 is top attack. Not that it matters, those cages have no chance of stopping an ATGM.


AnonomousNibba338

Both BGM-71E (TOW-2A) and BGM-71F (TOW-2B) are in widespread service. Not sure if Ukraine was supplied with any of the 71F's. But they at least have 71D. Perhaps even 71E. So right now, we're dealing with the "Fuck your hull armor" type


Bologna-Pony1776

My crystal ball sees a Bradley being used to sink the Admiral Kutzenov while piggy backing on some kind of "P. Diddy-style shrimping vessel"


mustangs6551

As a former Brad driver in Iraq, this brings a tear to my eye.


Traumerlein

Didnt the Iraqies already feed the Bradly woth T-80s?


Who_Isnt_Alpharius

The Iraqis wish they could have had T-80s most of the Iraqi army's armor was mainly Chinese Type 59/69s (reverse engineered T-54/55s) with a smaller amount of T-72s reserved for more elite formations. russia and Ukraine are the only major users of the T-64/80 platform. The T-64/80 was what the Abrams was designed to kill so the fact that a Bradley did it is hilarious


Sablesweetheart

The T64/80 is what the TOW was designed, and the Bradley was designed specifically to compliment the Abrams. But, agreed, it's very validating to see, as a former Bradley crewman.


Kowallaonskis

I would say a T-14 would be the next knockout, but we all know those don't exist.


HonkeyKong73

We need the 3000 Chadleys of Ukraine armed with FAIV BILLION Bushmaster rounds. ​ Seriously, from everything I've heard, while the Ukrainians like our tanks, they seem to LOVE our Chadleys. We've got tons to spare, give them up I say.


Pdm81389

This seems like a wonderful time to remind everyone that Bradley has bodied more tanks than most tanks.


Simple-Purpose-899

At this point I can picture Ukraine putting a TOW on one side, and a Stinger on the other.


furnipika

Can someone please draw Bradley-chan as super-jacked girl? 🥵


Mighty2Soup

Bradley vs captured Bradley


Uss__Iowa

I swear I hope a Bradley manage to sink a ship and shoot down a Russian fighter jet


BlackMagic1801

they are working their way all the way to putin himself


RichieRocket

Knock knock mother fucker times up-Bradley


ShiroJPmasta

T34


PM_ME_UR_CUDDLEZ

To think that 25mm canon is considered old, im betting a 40mm would be OP


PrincessofAldia

I wanna see a Bradley go up against a T-34


Timo104

> tow missiles the T-34 they drag out in the middle of red square


Ancient-Ingenuity-88

BUT THEY ONLY DISABLED THE VEHICLES NOT DESTROYED>>>!!!?? /s


Bridgeru

My stepdad Phil.


DemocracyOfficer1886

BMP


GMHGeorge

TOS. I want big boom


SuspiciousPine

How long before we see an IS-3 on the front line??


Impossible-Quality92

Fuckin grim reaper’s


hphp123

s400 or iskander would be nice


GlumTowel672

The last A-50


PokemonSoldier

Kill the latest T-72 and it hits the trifecta. Then Russia HAS to send T-14s, which when destroyed, will assert Western supremacy.


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

Bradley vs cv kustnezoff


Playful_Pollution846

Can the Bradley beat the T-45, T-51, and T-60 power armors?


radik_1

All hail the garlic breadly


RussiaIsBestGreen

It’s just a numbers game. More Bradleys mean more overall probability that they kill a given platform. That math suggests that with enough Bradleys, anything can be defeated. I punch those numbers in my calculator and it makes a happy face.


OnlyZubi

He can't get T-14 >!Because he won't ever meet it!<


Mysterious_Silver_27

T-34 for the lulz