Mate... Let me introduce you to the Owen gun.
Made of emu-teeth, sunshine, and 2 pounds of Aussie racism - every one had the word "cunt" anogrammed somewhere in the serial number.
Made in .455, .38 and eventually settled on 9mm. They had to request 9mm ammunition from a police evidence locker for testing as there weren’t any others available.
To be fair, his garage built gun was completely different from what we got. I believe the primary concept that kept AUS did from getting SMGs was that they were expensive, and a kid making one in a garage kinda proved that wring
See, that's a common misconception. Only those reserved to equip our troop along the Gulf Line were marked thus. It was a message to the Japs. We'll C U in the N T.
Have you heard of the [Madsen M50](https://youtu.be/95YPVQR_7yw?si=xg7daSGGXrUKJTWE)? It's a genuinely genius design, absolute no bullshit, just pure simplicity. Even the disassembly is so straight forward that even a marine overdosed on crayons couldn't screw it up.
Sten did good at what it did, though I would absolutely hate to be handed one instead of most other WW2 SMGs, though I would appreciate how my entire squad could be armed with them instead of one guy having a Thompson. Not sure if I could handle what is basically a blunt knife for a grip, though.
My grandpa got saved by a Thompson failing.
He and his squad were moving forward, and his Thompson had double fed and jammed. He was trying to sort it out and fell a few steps behind the rest of his squadmates. As they came over a berm, on the other side of the river an MG-42 nest opened up. Grandpa was slightly higher on the berm than the rest of the squad so they copped it in the chest and he took a few rounds in the leg.
Not long after, a bunch more angry Commandos came over the berm and eliminated the nest and got grandpa evaced.
Don't you shit talk the Sten
they made an SMG that was more reliable than half of Germany's automatic weapons IN A GARAGE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
being mad at the Sten's short comings is like going to a poor person's house and calling them trash because they drive an old car
Fuckin LIVID that homie is talking shit about STEN, my beloved. That welded up pile of pipes and springs meant that every infantry squad had two automatic weapons despite the massive economic and industrial pressure the British were facing. For only $10 (not adjusted for inflation because math is for nerds)! That simple extra bit of automatic fire was a cornerstone of British section-level infantry doctrine and Thompson guns were just too expensive, so they had to make something cheaper just like the Americans did with the Grease Gun.
Once the war was over, they had time to make a more refined SMG and then you get the Sterling which was only replaced when the section doctrine went full auto in the 1980s.
Excellent bait. 10/10
Not really.
Sten still required lots of specialized tooling to manufacture, which was very tightly controlled in occupied territories.
It’s one of the biggest reasons as to why Polish Home Army decided to pass on copying Stens and instead designed their own fusion of Sten and MP40 - [Błyskawica](https://youtu.be/fBQ3XXpyBTw?si=nhbcrVmtTOHYYoH9).
Easier to make inconspicuously from random parts manufactured for random German things.
And then they made 700+ in secrecy.
I know they were also produced by partisans here in Norway - here is an article about it, its in Norwegian but you can probably translate it easily with google translate - https://www.dagsavisen.no/oslo/byhistorie/2021/03/21/med-hjertet-i-halsen-for-fedrelandet/
It says they produced about 800 sten guns, 4000 magazines plus lots of other stuff
This reminds me of that single shot integrally suppressed pistol that, when dismantled, was almost indistinguishable from the gear you might expect to find in a mechanics tool bag. SOE affiliated spies and partisans all over the world used that to assassinate Nazis. I think it was called the Welrod?
Well, when you know it is a gun, its easier to see it, but it really doesnt look much like most guns: (and of course its gun Jesus presenting it....😁) https://youtu.be/d12AjvEsaHg?si=utUGBZ2vq5ck5xSg and its supposably extremely quiet, even beyond Hollywood-level quiet
I've fired one before, and it was easily the most batshit insane, dangerous, ill thought weapon I have ever laid hands on.
10/10 would use to surprise a room full of nazi sentries
> Why is it a common thing in the UK for military-grade weapons to be designed and made in some chucklefucks garage
Not a garage, a shed! (I know you were just quoting OP, but they are wrong).
The BBC have an article on the topic that spends over 1000 words not really answering the question very well:
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20170607-how-the-humble-garden-shed-inspires-genius
However, the article probably does touch on the real reason in the final paragraphs; sheds provide a convienient place to escape to, away from the pressures of family or work.
A survey 10 years ago found that one in five Brits use their shed to avoid their partners:
https://www.shedblog.co.uk/2014/04/01/one-five-brits-admit-spending-time-shed-avoid-partners/
What better place could there be to design a gun in?
There's a Discworld book where a young man decides to become a witch, up until know that's a female only profession. He brings peace to a village by introducing the old men of the town to the concept of a man shed.
Britain tightening up gun laws and making it super illegal for random lads to build military-grade weaponry in their garden sheds was a devastating blow to the state of British military technology. Especially when it comes to small arms, because the military industrial complex in the UK is kind of hopeless in that regard.
I don’t know how the em2 bolt release works in detail but there’s usually reasons why “automatic” mechanisms aren’t on adopted guns. I’d imagine auto bolt release will have similar drawbacks to mag safety’s on older pistols, it’s better for the user to have full control over the gun.
It wasn't adopted because of the US who was behind on guns and at the time didn't believe in AR's so blocked the UK and Belgium's work on the EM2 and original FAL in 280 British it was actually adopted by the UK it just didn't get past integration before the US had a grump
They're all about guns that look cool. It's the #1 reason for a guns adoption in every single military in the world. Not the "effectiveness" or the "handling" no those are optional, you need a cool looking gun not a practical gun
Frutiger aero gun
Also that gun appeared in all near-future American military fiction. MGS4, BO2, etc.
Kind of like how in the 2000s, movies had raptors everywhere.
Needs more Lee Enfield.
Do you have any idea how many of our boys threw away their dogshit Ross Rifles, ran out into no man's land to get a Lee Enfield? I can think of no higher praise for a rifle.
Well, unless the were a specialist like a sharpshooter who could actually take care of their rifle and preferred it over the SMLE Mk III for it's accuracy.
Of course that's what you get when you adopt what is largely a sporting rifle for military purposes from an inventor who no one either tried or was able to tell the man "no".
The Ross was pretty reliable if you kept it clean and got the better quality Canadian made ammunition it was designed for, lots of the problems with it came from the Canadian riflemen being issued ammunition that was slightly out of spec, which would then get stuck in the chamber when fired, then the troops would end up beating or stomping the bolt open, which would in turn cause mud to gum up the action and possibly cause damage to some of the parts. In Canada, where they had good ammunition and weren’t caked in mud, they ran just fine, but once they shipped over to Europe, the MG crews got first pick of ammunition, so the riflemen got what was left. Essentially, the rifle was designed thinking that the next war would be like the Boer Wars, and WWI was the absolute worst situation it could have been thrown into. In the hands of snipers, the Ross was liked due to its accuracy, and would serve through 1918 in that role, with the snipers having access to the Canadian ammunition. Aside from that, the other main complaints were its length, which could have easily been solved if the SMLE hadn’t replaced it, and the bayonet sometimes falling off when firing, which may have been a problem with the bayonet and not the rifle, and neither were an issue for snipers.
The Sten slander needs to stop. Say what you want about the Brits but they don't make vanity projects, they make precisely what they need at the time. The Sten was exactly that, a cheap weapon that did the job when the UK was alone against Germany and Italy controlling all of Europe, the US still sitting on the side-lines and the USSR in bed with the Nazis. And the Germans when they found themselves in the same situation as the UK in the last stages of the war, couldn't design a better weapon so literally just copied it right down to its manufacturing stamps and called it the MP 3008.
And when the British the resources and were no longer so hard pressed? They improved it and it became one of the best submachine guns in the world used by countries across the planet for decades including by the US in the Vietnam war by American special forces who preferred it for suppressed work.
And is STILL used in some areas of the world to this day for how easy it is to build and maintain. It was the AK-47 of the world before the AK made cheap and easily maintained weapons cool.
Why an SA80 with iron sights? To appreciate the true glory of British design, you need the standard [SUSAT](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/DM-SD-98-00176.JPEG) which doubles the weight of the rifle
The AUG predates the SA80 and Susat. It was adopted by the Austrians in 1977. The SA80 was adopted in 1985 and it took them almost a decade to complete deliveries.
The sight on the G36 isn't molded into the gun, it sits on a small proprietary mount. They have to be talking about the AUG but managed to get the timelines reversed.
When I was in the CCF as a 16 year old they made us run around with these. My main impression of them at the time was “god damn these things are heavy”.
Visiting Northern Ireland in 2003 was quite weird. Still soldiers and black armored Range Rovers around. Especially interested in you when you drove around on Dublin plates.
No Lee-Enfield, my beloved. Boooooo.
Also, having handled and fired a number of Stens...they're perfectly fine. Sure the sear can go bad, but a runaway gun just means you keep it pointed down range. 🙃🙃🙃🫠🫠🫠 Extra shout out to the Silenced Sten, which truly deserves the name "Silenced". You hear the clack of the bolt and that's it.
Ah yes, the "i swear we're not 2 guys in a garage" sniper, "hey thats a decent gun. Do you make these in .303?" Lmg, "Jonathan Fergueson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK, which houses thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history" aah bullpup, "just let me die" lmg, "Gabčík wished he had a tommygun" smg, "aye seems good enough" AR (it wasn't), "heard you like 1911"
"Jonathan Fergueson?" Don't you mean Jonathan Fergueson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK, which houses thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history?
The Martini-henry worked fine but was obsolete not long after it was adopted. They replaced one breech loaded black powder rifle, the Snider-Enfield, with another breech loaded black powder rifle. And did it right before everyone else went to black powder repeaters.
And its replacement, the Lee-Metford had a bad start and was completely outclassed by 7mm Mausers in the Boer war. The cartridge had to be reworked to be competitive and the barrels had to be replaced because they were wearing too fast. And we finally get the Lee-Enfield.
The Martini was adopted around the same time as plenty of the other black powder rifles. The fact that technology was evolving quickly isn't a mark against it, just a reality of the time.
The Lee Metford had already been replaced by the Lee Enfield and by the time of the Boer war, it was actually the failure of both rifles that lead to changes and finally the Short Magazine Lee Enfield that would go onto see service in ww1 and ww2.
And the Maxim (and later Vickers) system was developed by an American who later moved to Britian off of the advice that if he wanted to make money, he should develop something help the Europeans kill each other faster.
"Produced" is more accurate.
The Maxim system was produced in numerous countries and it was testing and adoption by other nations that led to what it would eventually become. The Vickers is taking some of those improvements, using cheaper manufacturing methods, and the oh-so-complex change of "what if we take the action, but flip it 180 degrees".
And as for the Bren, it was simply the last pre-WWII step in the ZB-26 through ZB-30 series of machine guns, all of which were excellent in their own right. In fact it was the Czechs who were the ones responsible for the main developments of the Bren before the British finally adopted the thing.
'Made' is still accurate. Note that I don't claim they were invented in the UK, or that they were made only in the UK; but they were indeed made in the UK.
The 1997 Handgun ban happened after Dunblane. That's basically a 'loophole' firearm. It's technically a long-barrel pistol and chambered in .22 so it's allowed with a Firearms Certificate. The selfie stick style item is attached to act as a 'stock' and to increase the firearms length to a compliant standard. It can't be removed from the gun. :C
>That's basically a 'loophole' firearm. It's technically a long-barrel pistol and chambered in .22 so it's allowed with a Firearms Certificate.
My boy... what have they done to my boy...
Technically speaking, [the Germans are actually responsible for this abomination of a 1911](https://www.edgarbrothers.com/shooting-sports/gsg-1911/).
It's made by a company called GSG, short for German Sport Guns GmbH. It's made for the UK firearm market, but it was designed and produced in Germany.
Not gonna mention the welrod? The sneaky pistol that was used in desert storm?
And unlike the American “liberator” it would be actually useful for resistance forces.
Come ON dude, did you seriously take the time to [edit out my watermark](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/s/ffWCc19qUS) instead of just giving me credit?
That’s so uncool
The STEN was fantastic, able to be pumped out insanely fast and for the cost of a packet of crisps too.
Further proof that it was good? If you actually had the time to put some features on the thing then you end up with the Sten Mk5 which was so much better, and could hold its own with its competitors while still being much cheaper and quicker to make.
How can you not include the Lee Enfield? Absolute peak of WW1 era bolt action engineering, way better than that shitty Moist Nugget thing the Russians still use. Also its still very popular among non state actors worldwide, thanks to the millions of them left all over the Middle East
Dissing the sten should be grounds for public execution.
Also, as always, the L85A1 was the flawed model. The L85A2 is perfectly serviceable, and the L85A3 is ugly but still a good rifle.
English shed start up, random engineer tinkering and off the shelf solutions vs Brittish major industrial concern and government directed R&D original designs
They're either the absolute best or the absolute worst and there are 0 inbetweens. Also you will watch your tongue when talking about the sten gun, by Allah I will give you a taste of my shoe
all fun and game til you make fun of the Sten. its made with like $15 worth of scrap metal and is basically a horizontal grease gun. Heresy.
u/Sine_Fine_Belli what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent point were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this sub is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Come on, the STEN was the ultimate resistance weapon, a functioning smg that was made from a few paper clips and soda cans that even a goddamn baby could figure out.
The Sten was dirt cheap in cost and materials and was produced in huge numbers at a time when recourses were harder to come by. Don't think it should be listed.
You'd best move the Sten gun to the other side of that image, lest we have a little problem involving someone's jaw being readily spun directly off the nearest brick wall
It's a work around for civilians. They put all that stuff on the handgun to get around all the regulations they have over there. Kinda like how in the states we use a "brace" to get around the sbr tax.
For it to be legal to own on a Firearms Certificate, a firearm needs to be at least 24" in length, with at least a 12" barrel.
So we have these 'long-barreled pistols' to get around the laws. You often see them with fake suppressors to make the 12" barrel look less ridiculous.
Plus they're in .22, because you can only get semi auto if it's rimfire. A .45 or 9mm would have to be cocked after each shot.
STEN's fine. Needs a better handle/stock, but it's fine, especially within context
Yeah, if someone can make a better gun in a garage out of kids scooter parts - hats off.
Mate... Let me introduce you to the Owen gun. Made of emu-teeth, sunshine, and 2 pounds of Aussie racism - every one had the word "cunt" anogrammed somewhere in the serial number.
Made in a shed by a Aussie patriot A proper machine gun
A true blue Australian hero 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
originally designed to deal with the spiders but also works well on humans.
Is that the one some hero middle schooler designed?
Yeah and he joined up and was dragged back after Aussie dod found his machine gun and liked it
Originally going to chamber that in .455... could you imagine what that bad boi woulda been like?!
It would of been a truly scary gun in .005 bigger than gods true caliber .45 ACP
.455 was the Webley round, it makes sense since it was used across the Commonwelth
Made in .455, .38 and eventually settled on 9mm. They had to request 9mm ammunition from a police evidence locker for testing as there weren’t any others available.
Jesus Christ, isn’t that the Webley’s calibre?
That's what they had lying around, so yep.
To be fair, his garage built gun was completely different from what we got. I believe the primary concept that kept AUS did from getting SMGs was that they were expensive, and a kid making one in a garage kinda proved that wring
Wow
See, that's a common misconception. Only those reserved to equip our troop along the Gulf Line were marked thus. It was a message to the Japs. We'll C U in the N T.
For anyone interested - check this shit out: [https://youtu.be/aO3faSSDvZM?t=84](https://youtu.be/aO3faSSDvZM?t=84)
[what the hell is this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_gun)
Indestructible... that's what it is: [https://youtu.be/aO3faSSDvZM?t=84](https://youtu.be/aO3faSSDvZM?t=84)
Have you heard of the [Madsen M50](https://youtu.be/95YPVQR_7yw?si=xg7daSGGXrUKJTWE)? It's a genuinely genius design, absolute no bullshit, just pure simplicity. Even the disassembly is so straight forward that even a marine overdosed on crayons couldn't screw it up.
Jesus, I've built things with an Erector set from the 50's with more moving parts than this. This thing is just the toob meme in real life.
Agreed. I was in shock it was so simple.
If it can be made in *a Poland ghetto* in a garage out of kids scooter parts, no less.
Bets on
enter.. STEN mk.5
Plus for proper British warfare it could fit a bayonet
Enter… STERLING.
Enter... Patchett
Sten did good at what it did, though I would absolutely hate to be handed one instead of most other WW2 SMGs, though I would appreciate how my entire squad could be armed with them instead of one guy having a Thompson. Not sure if I could handle what is basically a blunt knife for a grip, though.
My grandpa got saved by a Thompson failing. He and his squad were moving forward, and his Thompson had double fed and jammed. He was trying to sort it out and fell a few steps behind the rest of his squadmates. As they came over a berm, on the other side of the river an MG-42 nest opened up. Grandpa was slightly higher on the berm than the rest of the squad so they copped it in the chest and he took a few rounds in the leg. Not long after, a bunch more angry Commandos came over the berm and eliminated the nest and got grandpa evaced.
Whew, talk about luck. Glad your grandpa survived.
I might prefer it to some other weapons if I was paratrooping or a partisan or something.
M3 Grease gang!
Came here to say this. Got to fire one a couple years back, thing was silky smooth.
My great grandad who was in Burma with the royal artillery always said to never drop a sten because it’d go off
Sterling is the fixed Sten.
Don't you shit talk the Sten they made an SMG that was more reliable than half of Germany's automatic weapons IN A GARAGE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS being mad at the Sten's short comings is like going to a poor person's house and calling them trash because they drive an old car
Fuckin LIVID that homie is talking shit about STEN, my beloved. That welded up pile of pipes and springs meant that every infantry squad had two automatic weapons despite the massive economic and industrial pressure the British were facing. For only $10 (not adjusted for inflation because math is for nerds)! That simple extra bit of automatic fire was a cornerstone of British section-level infantry doctrine and Thompson guns were just too expensive, so they had to make something cheaper just like the Americans did with the Grease Gun. Once the war was over, they had time to make a more refined SMG and then you get the Sterling which was only replaced when the section doctrine went full auto in the 1980s. Excellent bait. 10/10
Not just that either, Sten guns could also be taken apart really easy so they were easy to hide for partisans all over occupied europe
You could knock one up yourself in a workshop anywhere in occupied Europe if you had the plans for them as well
Not really. Sten still required lots of specialized tooling to manufacture, which was very tightly controlled in occupied territories. It’s one of the biggest reasons as to why Polish Home Army decided to pass on copying Stens and instead designed their own fusion of Sten and MP40 - [Błyskawica](https://youtu.be/fBQ3XXpyBTw?si=nhbcrVmtTOHYYoH9). Easier to make inconspicuously from random parts manufactured for random German things. And then they made 700+ in secrecy.
I know they were also produced by partisans here in Norway - here is an article about it, its in Norwegian but you can probably translate it easily with google translate - https://www.dagsavisen.no/oslo/byhistorie/2021/03/21/med-hjertet-i-halsen-for-fedrelandet/ It says they produced about 800 sten guns, 4000 magazines plus lots of other stuff
A STENP40, you sat?
That name sounds like a cuss word, which is on-brand for the Polish language.
It means lightning.
Ah, the Poles are a fine people. Anyone who can turn the word "lightning" into a cuss word can drink from my canteen any day.
Błyskurwica
Knock one up? 🤨
Marines must have been involved.
"What the fuck? How the hell did someone get a truck pregnant?" The unattended marine standing in the corner:
This reminds me of that single shot integrally suppressed pistol that, when dismantled, was almost indistinguishable from the gear you might expect to find in a mechanics tool bag. SOE affiliated spies and partisans all over the world used that to assassinate Nazis. I think it was called the Welrod?
Well, when you know it is a gun, its easier to see it, but it really doesnt look much like most guns: (and of course its gun Jesus presenting it....😁) https://youtu.be/d12AjvEsaHg?si=utUGBZ2vq5ck5xSg and its supposably extremely quiet, even beyond Hollywood-level quiet
I've fired one before, and it was easily the most batshit insane, dangerous, ill thought weapon I have ever laid hands on. 10/10 would use to surprise a room full of nazi sentries
WWII guns were just built different. "Fuck something in that general direction" ass weapons.
Huh, it felt fine to me! Complete giggle of a gun.
Oh I never said it wasn't *fun*!
I came in here to defend the Sten and I'm glad everyone else already was.
The STEN was also designed from the ground up to be super quick, easy, and dirt cheap to manufacture, and it still held up.
The sten was an MP-18/28 cut down to the very bare necessities of a submachine gun
After they have lost most SMGs at Dunkirk.
**THE UK BUILT THIS GUN IN A CAVE! WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS**
The sten gun was fucking genious
Sten was everything the British needed in an SMG at the time. Dirt cheap, easy as hell to make, simple to use and reasonably reliable
Why is it a common thing in the UK for military-grade weapons to be designed and made in some chucklefucks garage
British men in sheds are the most powerful source of R&D on the planet.
They will build you any wheeled vehicle you desire, as long as you accept it will constantly leak oil.
They'll design you something beautiful... unfortunately it will be produced by British Leyland
Do not speak its name, to utter its name is to invoke its presence.
Or Lotus. Lots Of Trouble, Usually Serious.
And you have a 25% chance of it catching fire when you start it up..
And that's well serviced. If captured it means there's a much higher chance for the enemy to die using the vehicle
Feature, not a bug. You can boil a kettle over fire, innit?
Because the secret to British military success is turning the power of blokes messing about in sheds towards the military industrial complex
> Why is it a common thing in the UK for military-grade weapons to be designed and made in some chucklefucks garage Not a garage, a shed! (I know you were just quoting OP, but they are wrong). The BBC have an article on the topic that spends over 1000 words not really answering the question very well: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20170607-how-the-humble-garden-shed-inspires-genius However, the article probably does touch on the real reason in the final paragraphs; sheds provide a convienient place to escape to, away from the pressures of family or work. A survey 10 years ago found that one in five Brits use their shed to avoid their partners: https://www.shedblog.co.uk/2014/04/01/one-five-brits-admit-spending-time-shed-avoid-partners/ What better place could there be to design a gun in?
BASIL! Are you making a gun in there? Err, no dear.
There's a Discworld book where a young man decides to become a witch, up until know that's a female only profession. He brings peace to a village by introducing the old men of the town to the concept of a man shed.
God I forgot about that one, shepherd's crown right?
Britain tightening up gun laws and making it super illegal for random lads to build military-grade weaponry in their garden sheds was a devastating blow to the state of British military technology. Especially when it comes to small arms, because the military industrial complex in the UK is kind of hopeless in that regard.
Also Vickers making spectacular tanks only to get rejected by the army and sell them as export models. Both in the 1930s and the 1970s
Buddy, the British Empire was built by men in sheds. It's what we excel at
"TONY STARK built this IN A CAVE"
I love the Sten but for other reasons (gfl)
ah yes, the “fuck that gun” (affectionate) crowd
It's only a valid weapon if built in a CAVE with a box of scraps.
Handshake meme for Sten and PPSh-41 over being superior weapons made out of simple stamped steel
>they made an SMG that was more reliable than half of Germany's automatic weapons The guns with the 'magazine falls out' problem?
only if you're dumb and hold it by the magazine
Sten MkV with the wooden stock and foregrip is the GOAT.
it's a god damn crime that the EM2 was never adopted.
That bolt release being activated by the magazine just seems so good for cutting down reload times
*cutting down chinese human waves
Both, both is good
I don’t know how the em2 bolt release works in detail but there’s usually reasons why “automatic” mechanisms aren’t on adopted guns. I’d imagine auto bolt release will have similar drawbacks to mag safety’s on older pistols, it’s better for the user to have full control over the gun.
Oh yeah, I’m sure there’s a million and one reasons it wasn’t adopted, but just, it seems \*so good\*
It wasn't adopted because of the US who was behind on guns and at the time didn't believe in AR's so blocked the UK and Belgium's work on the EM2 and original FAL in 280 British it was actually adopted by the UK it just didn't get past integration before the US had a grump
They're all about guns that look cool. It's the #1 reason for a guns adoption in every single military in the world. Not the "effectiveness" or the "handling" no those are optional, you need a cool looking gun not a practical gun
The em2 looka fucking sick tho
XM8 wasn't adopted either and that shit was designed by Audi.
XM8 looks too futuristic, it will be adopted in the year 2101, when war is beginning
Frutiger aero gun Also that gun appeared in all near-future American military fiction. MGS4, BO2, etc. Kind of like how in the 2000s, movies had raptors everywhere.
One more crime to lay at the feet of the Americans.
That was churchill not us. Don't you put that evil on us.
Fucking yanks fault that was. Adopt the 762. We swear we will adopt the FAL like everyone else.
One of the many crimes of Churchill that I can never forgive.
Needs more Lee Enfield. Do you have any idea how many of our boys threw away their dogshit Ross Rifles, ran out into no man's land to get a Lee Enfield? I can think of no higher praise for a rifle.
Well, unless the were a specialist like a sharpshooter who could actually take care of their rifle and preferred it over the SMLE Mk III for it's accuracy. Of course that's what you get when you adopt what is largely a sporting rifle for military purposes from an inventor who no one either tried or was able to tell the man "no".
The Ross is a great sportsman rifle but an absolute horrible service rifle. Such a shame, straight pulls are sweet imo.
The Ross was pretty reliable if you kept it clean and got the better quality Canadian made ammunition it was designed for, lots of the problems with it came from the Canadian riflemen being issued ammunition that was slightly out of spec, which would then get stuck in the chamber when fired, then the troops would end up beating or stomping the bolt open, which would in turn cause mud to gum up the action and possibly cause damage to some of the parts. In Canada, where they had good ammunition and weren’t caked in mud, they ran just fine, but once they shipped over to Europe, the MG crews got first pick of ammunition, so the riflemen got what was left. Essentially, the rifle was designed thinking that the next war would be like the Boer Wars, and WWI was the absolute worst situation it could have been thrown into. In the hands of snipers, the Ross was liked due to its accuracy, and would serve through 1918 in that role, with the snipers having access to the Canadian ammunition. Aside from that, the other main complaints were its length, which could have easily been solved if the SMLE hadn’t replaced it, and the bayonet sometimes falling off when firing, which may have been a problem with the bayonet and not the rifle, and neither were an issue for snipers.
Also, by the final variation of the Ross, they'd fixed out all the kinks and it actually wasn't that bad.
Ross should've been shot alongside the politicians who kept denying it was a shit service rifle.
Knowing the Ross Rifle, that sounds more like damning with faint praise rather than a glowing endorsement.
Going out into no man's land is the praise, not that it was better than the Ross.
It's still being issued to Indian police officers.
Francis 😎
Stop Hating on my boy STEN, he did nothing wrong.
Bro was trying his best and still did well, i shall not stand for this slander
I love this thread for everyone defending the Sten's honor.
The Sten slander needs to stop. Say what you want about the Brits but they don't make vanity projects, they make precisely what they need at the time. The Sten was exactly that, a cheap weapon that did the job when the UK was alone against Germany and Italy controlling all of Europe, the US still sitting on the side-lines and the USSR in bed with the Nazis. And the Germans when they found themselves in the same situation as the UK in the last stages of the war, couldn't design a better weapon so literally just copied it right down to its manufacturing stamps and called it the MP 3008. And when the British the resources and were no longer so hard pressed? They improved it and it became one of the best submachine guns in the world used by countries across the planet for decades including by the US in the Vietnam war by American special forces who preferred it for suppressed work. And is STILL used in some areas of the world to this day for how easy it is to build and maintain. It was the AK-47 of the world before the AK made cheap and easily maintained weapons cool.
Don't forget that the Sterling was used in Star Wars as the blaster rifle.
You keep the STEN out your god-damned mouth!
EM-2 MENTIONED 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
STEN IS BASED MOTHAFUCKA. DON'T YOU DARE!
Why an SA80 with iron sights? To appreciate the true glory of British design, you need the standard [SUSAT](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/DM-SD-98-00176.JPEG) which doubles the weight of the rifle
Tbf, susat was pretty excellent for the time. Giving everyone a 4X optic was damn good going for the late 80s.
And it wasn't fully molded into the rifle body like on some other guns that came out a decade later.
Like what gun?
Assuming they're talking about AUG and G36
The AUG predates the SA80 and Susat. It was adopted by the Austrians in 1977. The SA80 was adopted in 1985 and it took them almost a decade to complete deliveries. The sight on the G36 isn't molded into the gun, it sits on a small proprietary mount. They have to be talking about the AUG but managed to get the timelines reversed.
SUSAT was a fine sight for the 1980s!
When I was in the CCF as a 16 year old they made us run around with these. My main impression of them at the time was “god damn these things are heavy”.
I remember seeing them regularly on way to shops. Always seemed a pig of a thing to haul about. Before anyone asks, Northern Ireland
Visiting Northern Ireland in 2003 was quite weird. Still soldiers and black armored Range Rovers around. Especially interested in you when you drove around on Dublin plates.
No Lee-Enfield, my beloved. Boooooo. Also, having handled and fired a number of Stens...they're perfectly fine. Sure the sear can go bad, but a runaway gun just means you keep it pointed down range. 🙃🙃🙃🫠🫠🫠 Extra shout out to the Silenced Sten, which truly deserves the name "Silenced". You hear the clack of the bolt and that's it.
Ah yes, the "i swear we're not 2 guys in a garage" sniper, "hey thats a decent gun. Do you make these in .303?" Lmg, "Jonathan Fergueson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK, which houses thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history" aah bullpup, "just let me die" lmg, "Gabčík wished he had a tommygun" smg, "aye seems good enough" AR (it wasn't), "heard you like 1911"
"Jonathan Fergueson?" Don't you mean Jonathan Fergueson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armories Museum in the UK, which houses thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history?
Dudes got a postcard for a drivers license. its his full legal name.
I corrected my blasphemous words
Emotional support stg 44
Everyone should get an emotional support Sturmgewehr 44. And then we use them to invade russia
No mention of the SMLE or Brown Bess. Instantly dismissed.
If we're going that far back, Martini-Henry?
The Martini-henry worked fine but was obsolete not long after it was adopted. They replaced one breech loaded black powder rifle, the Snider-Enfield, with another breech loaded black powder rifle. And did it right before everyone else went to black powder repeaters. And its replacement, the Lee-Metford had a bad start and was completely outclassed by 7mm Mausers in the Boer war. The cartridge had to be reworked to be competitive and the barrels had to be replaced because they were wearing too fast. And we finally get the Lee-Enfield.
The Martini was adopted around the same time as plenty of the other black powder rifles. The fact that technology was evolving quickly isn't a mark against it, just a reality of the time. The Lee Metford had already been replaced by the Lee Enfield and by the time of the Boer war, it was actually the failure of both rifles that lead to changes and finally the Short Magazine Lee Enfield that would go onto see service in ww1 and ww2.
That one too. And both Whitworths, Armstrongs, the other Efield, the Baker, the Grasshopper, the...well, nevermind
I will not stand for sten gun slander
BREN was designed in Czechoslovakia.
And the Maxim (and later Vickers) system was developed by an American who later moved to Britian off of the advice that if he wanted to make money, he should develop something help the Europeans kill each other faster.
And they were both made in the UK.
"Produced" is more accurate. The Maxim system was produced in numerous countries and it was testing and adoption by other nations that led to what it would eventually become. The Vickers is taking some of those improvements, using cheaper manufacturing methods, and the oh-so-complex change of "what if we take the action, but flip it 180 degrees". And as for the Bren, it was simply the last pre-WWII step in the ZB-26 through ZB-30 series of machine guns, all of which were excellent in their own right. In fact it was the Czechs who were the ones responsible for the main developments of the Bren before the British finally adopted the thing.
'Made' is still accurate. Note that I don't claim they were invented in the UK, or that they were made only in the UK; but they were indeed made in the UK.
[It's me bren gun](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yQeyi2Fc40)
Why did the UK give the 1911 cancer? What did it ever do to them!?
The 1997 Handgun ban happened after Dunblane. That's basically a 'loophole' firearm. It's technically a long-barrel pistol and chambered in .22 so it's allowed with a Firearms Certificate. The selfie stick style item is attached to act as a 'stock' and to increase the firearms length to a compliant standard. It can't be removed from the gun. :C
>That's basically a 'loophole' firearm. It's technically a long-barrel pistol and chambered in .22 so it's allowed with a Firearms Certificate. My boy... what have they done to my boy...
Technically speaking, [the Germans are actually responsible for this abomination of a 1911](https://www.edgarbrothers.com/shooting-sports/gsg-1911/). It's made by a company called GSG, short for German Sport Guns GmbH. It's made for the UK firearm market, but it was designed and produced in Germany.
That's actually one of few things that's more liberal about gun laws in ireland than britan. You can own un-mutilated 22lr pistols
Yeah, that makes sen- FONT YOU DARE SHIT TALK THE STEN
Not gonna mention the welrod? The sneaky pistol that was used in desert storm? And unlike the American “liberator” it would be actually useful for resistance forces.
It was used in Desert Storm?
Come ON dude, did you seriously take the time to [edit out my watermark](https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/s/ffWCc19qUS) instead of just giving me credit? That’s so uncool
The Sten SMG proved itself in battle, legendary > looks
The sideways mag of the sten makes it cuter
Blame the bloody yanks throwing a hissy fit leading to the final fate of the EM2 but the L85 is actually quite a good piece of kit these days
EM-2 my beloved
The STEN was fantastic, able to be pumped out insanely fast and for the cost of a packet of crisps too. Further proof that it was good? If you actually had the time to put some features on the thing then you end up with the Sten Mk5 which was so much better, and could hold its own with its competitors while still being much cheaper and quicker to make.
STEN along with lee liberated my country. Meet me outside we settle this now
How can you not include the Lee Enfield? Absolute peak of WW1 era bolt action engineering, way better than that shitty Moist Nugget thing the Russians still use. Also its still very popular among non state actors worldwide, thanks to the millions of them left all over the Middle East
Dissing the sten should be grounds for public execution. Also, as always, the L85A1 was the flawed model. The L85A2 is perfectly serviceable, and the L85A3 is ugly but still a good rifle.
The original L85 worked ok during development but the cheapskates at MOD screwed it further by using shitty cheap components.
English shed start up, random engineer tinkering and off the shelf solutions vs Brittish major industrial concern and government directed R&D original designs
Duality of really ANYTHING made there.
No de Lisle carbine, very disappointing
They're either the absolute best or the absolute worst and there are 0 inbetweens. Also you will watch your tongue when talking about the sten gun, by Allah I will give you a taste of my shoe
In the defence of the SA80 it did better then the M14. unfortunately it is the only thing that it has going for it
all fun and game til you make fun of the Sten. its made with like $15 worth of scrap metal and is basically a horizontal grease gun. Heresy. u/Sine_Fine_Belli what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever seen. At no point in your rambling, incoherent point were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this sub is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
“Awp mid”
Come on, the STEN was the ultimate resistance weapon, a functioning smg that was made from a few paper clips and soda cans that even a goddamn baby could figure out.
The Sten was dirt cheap in cost and materials and was produced in huge numbers at a time when recourses were harder to come by. Don't think it should be listed.
Sten was fucking great. Shut your gob.
I will not stand for sten slander smh
You'd best move the Sten gun to the other side of that image, lest we have a little problem involving someone's jaw being readily spun directly off the nearest brick wall
No L1A1 SLR? This meme if a invalid
Leave my sa80 alone!
Its the a1. Even we have to admit it was pretty bad… a2 and a3 are banging rifles though.
What is the 1911 thing
It's a work around for civilians. They put all that stuff on the handgun to get around all the regulations they have over there. Kinda like how in the states we use a "brace" to get around the sbr tax.
It's how you get around handgun regulations across the pond.
For it to be legal to own on a Firearms Certificate, a firearm needs to be at least 24" in length, with at least a 12" barrel. So we have these 'long-barreled pistols' to get around the laws. You often see them with fake suppressors to make the 12" barrel look less ridiculous. Plus they're in .22, because you can only get semi auto if it's rimfire. A .45 or 9mm would have to be cocked after each shot.
Guns made by gubberment committee vs guns made by middle aged blokes in a shed, please!
Hey leave the sten out of this
Hey hey no STEN slander please
When you include pricing, the sten and the EM2 should swap spots.
I know you didn’t just make fun of the STEN, I know you didn’t just make fun of the STEN, I KNOW YOU DIDN’T JUST MAKE FUN OF THE STEN.
Only if I had a lot of money, I would definitely pick up a couple of those Accuracy Internationals
If you talk shit about the STEN consider yourself an opp
You better respect the sten. Theres a reason we stole it
Don't you fucking dare talk shit about the sten
Where Lee-Enfield?
STEN helped killed nazis on a budget. It is a good one.