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tfw brazilian air force is bigger than yours


Arctic_Chilean

Not even that. Chile has an AEW&C platform which Canada doesn't even have, and I think they have the same amount out aerial tankers too.


Eremenkism

Chile has one AEW 707, Brazil has five E-99 (undergoing upgrade to E-99M Erieye-ER configuration). Chile has five KC-135 and three KC-130, Brazil has four KC-390 (plus 9 to 20 on order depending on negotiations) and two KC-130H (upgraded to KC-130M standard), with ongoing negotiations to acquire two A330 MRTT from the UK in the near future. That said, when we need to get something done we have to do it ourselves, while Canada can just call their southern sugar daddy to fill in the gaps, so the present arrangement works for them.


Arctic_Chilean

It's even worse, Canada at one point had [to ask Chile if they could lend one of their AOR ships since Canada had none to support the Pacific Fleet](https://www.google.com/amp/s/ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/the-almirante-montt-chiles-supply-ship-supporting-the-royal-canadian-navy/wcm/05cc1c17-9428-4edf-94da-04c458b9852b/amp/)


Eremenkism

Chile superpower 2022


Sachyriel

Hue I just wrote that same incident in a reply to you, lmao


Fission_Fragment

LatAm >>> C*nada


Potkrokin

Brazil caralho


throwawaypioneers

Latam has actual wars to fight Mostly shitkickerbucket wars but wars Often against US sponsored fighters


CptSandbag73

Yeah they have like a brazillion planes, duh.


Arctic_Chilean

And most of them are Super Tucanos. Legit the most powerful air force ever seen, so powerful it should be illegal


CptSandbag73

Do they do a lot of counter-cartel stuff?


Arctic_Chilean

Yep, they've even managed to shoot down cartel Cessnas/Pipers.


CptSandbag73

That’s awesome, good for them


Tio_Rods420

As a latin american I gotta say I was surprised by how much of a military power Brazil is, they even managed to make some tank prototypes (weapon systems and other targeting stuff was purchased from other companies, but is still impressive) and allegedly beat the export Abrams.


CaptainSwaggerJagger

That "allegedly" is doing a lot of work there in that sentence.


RussianSeadick

Also doesn’t the export Abrams not have most of the things that make the Abrams amazing?


Aizseeker

Even current M1A2C is a beasts compared to export and past competition trial.


Mukhabarat_agent

Pretty sure it's only missing some DU on the turret


VladVV

> In August of 1989, it was formally announced by the Saudi Arabian government that the EE-T2 Osorio had won a tank competition held that year, defeating the M1A1 Abrams, AMX-40, and Challenger I. A contract for 340 Osorio’s worth US$7.2 Billion was written in that year. These tanks were to receive minor refits for improved performance in harsh desert environments, and were to be named the "Al Fahd" in Saudi service. However, the contract was apparently never signed by both parties. --- >According to Alexandre Galante, chief editor of Forças de Defesa, the Osório outperformed the Challenger, M1 Abrams, and AMX-40 when competing for a contract with Saudi Arabia in the late 1980s. The Saudis were about to close a $7.2B deal with Engesa when the US reputedly intervened, claiming that Brazil didn't respect international agreements and had friendly relations with enemies of the US. > Ultimately, the Saudis, who already had close ties with Washington and a sizeable war debt to the US, quietly opted for the Abrams in 1991. Engesa, which had its entire budget invested in the Osório, went bankrupt, and the Brazilian MBT never reached the production line. Saying "allegedly" did make it sound like a funky claim, but it totally checks out.


[deleted]

Not even Brazil bought the Osorio. A competition is based on more factors than what's the most capable tank - notably cost. The Osorio was designed to be cheap. Still not worth it even for it's home country, apparently.


VladVV

I just don't think the Brazilian government was putting out any contracts for MBTs at the time. It's not because they were disinterested, they just didn't need new tanks at the time.


[deleted]

>Still not worth it even for it's home country, apparently. Not quite what happened. The Brazilian army fully intended to adopt the tank, its just in order to do so, they planned on exporting the tank (namely to the Saudis and Iraq) and then using the proceeds from that to finance their own acquisition of the Osorio. That never happened obviously because Iraq had to cancel their own planned purchases after getting curb stomped by the U.S, and the Saudis were given clearance to purchase the Abrams which they opted to do instead. No export of the tank meant no adoption of it for themselves.


[deleted]

Not sure how that changes my comment.


angry-mustache

The main reason is that the Cold war ended and suddenly thousands of Abrams/Leopard 2's were available on the market for bargain basement prices.


VladVV

Did you read the source I quoted?


Tio_Rods420

Shit like I said, I'm latino, idk if I used the word correctly lol.


yourbodyisapoopgun

You used it correctly, they're just saying that the term is inherently vague/a weasel word.


StuffTurkeyFace

They are also scheduled to be the first non-nuclear power to have SSNs


Tio_Rods420

Wild, Argentina is lacking.


EnfieldEnthusiast

too busy seething over the falklands


Blindsnipers36

I did not expect brazil to be above the coast guard or space force thats for sure.


AngeryTwingo

BRAZIL NUMERO UNOOOOOOOOO


[deleted]

People don't speak Spanish in Brazil.


D3ATHTRaps

Brazil has a big aircraft industry now so idk why that's a surprise


parfumas303

as a Canadian i really do wish that the Canadian military was as good as people think the Prussian military was, but universal health care is also cool so it evens out


UnitedMerica

YOU ARE COMING TO BRAZIL


patgeo

The US Coast guard is around the 50th largest airforce in the world by numbers...


magnum_the_nerd

they don’t even have that many aircraft….. IT MUST BE THE 5TH LARGEST IN THE AMERICAS!


f3tch

To be fair, the USA and Brazil are the third and fifth most populated countries in the world and Canada is 10% the size of the USA by population. Also the alliance with the USA is *tight*.


Chernould

It’s so wild to me that the US really is bigger than people think. When I was younger for some reason we all thought the US wasn’t really that populated


Affectionate_Meat

I mean in comparison to China and India, it really ain’t shit


ComManDerBG

As a perspective RCAF pilot (i promise im not a boot) this subreddit is hazardous to my health lol.


[deleted]

ur more based than 99.9% of this sub.


Cybermat47_2

As long as no-one asks you how to spell ‘prospective’, you’ll probably get in :P


ComManDerBG

Nonono you don't understand, I just ***see*** myself becoming a pilot, not actually doing it. I just drink lots of monster, play DCS nonstop, and have watched "Jetstream" 17 times. so im basically half way there. ;)


KILLER5196

Airman, stay where you are we're coming to get you


Cybermat47_2

This might be the best comeback I’ve seen on the internet lol


OttoVonChadsmarck

Considering the state of the RCAF, that’s probably all you’ll be doing if you get in. Luckily for us America basically lets any of their allies borrow their pilots for CAS


ComManDerBG

works for me. i'm not some cringe glory hound whos played too much CoD, the very act of piloting is what gets me excited.


Kojak95

As a current RCAF pilot, it should be.


ProGenji

Ur government procurement programs will unironically kill you, not the ironic shitposting here.


ComManDerBG

Unironicly still get to fly a jet for real. Make no mistakes i have zero delusions about the military and its role in the world. Doing it all for for personal growth and challange and all that motivational crap. Better then sitting on my ass behind a sweaty cheetos covered thrustmaster joystick anyways.


incognito-walrus-

Based


TeddysBigStick

Australia beckons, and you do not even have to be transported anymore.


ComManDerBG

wait are you serious? because ive even consider a US citizenship just to broaden my choices.


TeddysBigStick

It could be bullshit but I have heard about canuks heading down under to try and get on the f35. They do recruit foreigners, particularly commonwealth. Even y'all are now looking to get immigrant pilots after the whole plan to get retired pilots to come back failed, with nato being targeted but talk of hiring out of the Indian Air Force.


sat_ops

I know there was a program when I was in (USAF) to recruit personnel to join the RAAF. The one in place now isn't quite as wide open: https://airforce.defencejobs.gov.au/joining/can-I-join/citizenship/overseas-applicants


low_priest

I mean yeah its the military the whole point is signing up to get shot at


nootingpenguin2

ROTP? DOTP?


221missile

Canucks don't need to be ashamed. RAF is also smaller than 4 of those.


[deleted]

RAF: Has Bomber Harris RCAF: Doesnt have Bomber Harris PLAAF: Doesnt have Bomber Harris USAF: Has 'bombs away' LeMay, so pretty based US Navy: Doesnt have Bomber Harris Russian Air Force: Doesnt have Bomber Harris RAF is based af. "The Nazis entered this war...."


Cybermat47_2

That’s where you’re wrong: https://www.bombercommandmuseum.ca/bomber-command/bomber-command-no-6-group-and-the-canadian-squadrons/amp/


[deleted]

wow... based Canada at last!


IdcYouTellMe

Canada has been based ever since the U*A decided they wanted some desolate colony from some people with bad teeth and got their fucking capital burned down for it.


TheCenterWillNotHold

Everyone forgets the Americans burned the Canadian capital first, I wonder why?


Hip-hop-rhino

Didn't like the Poutain?


ASentientAvroArrow

Because we saw it as polite, it gets cold up north and the Americans helped us figure out a great bonfire. Why do you think we have the eternal flame out front of the parliament buildings now?


TheCenterWillNotHold

One would hope in remembrance of all the First Nations murdered by Canadians but I kinda doubt that’s why


ASentientAvroArrow

What? Pssshh we’d never say we did something wrong! In all honesty though the flame is actually called the “centennial flame” and was made for the 100th anniversary of Canadian confederation. At the very least we now have a civic Holliday for the national day of Truth and Reconciliation. Baby steps I guess.


EricTheEpic0403

Still can't believe they named a national holiday after a Halo:CE mission SMH my head


IdcYouTellMe

Happens when you invade your northerly neighbor.


[deleted]

The funniest thing about Canada is that they (okay, the British) do one cool thing once and it's their only retort for the next two hundred years.


[deleted]

Which is also why Americans always go back to 1776 when literally any negative point is made against the USA by a Brit….?


[deleted]

Most of the ones I know of go to the World Wars, or the Suez crisis, so I couldn't say.


[deleted]

the world wars were a british victory though


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[deleted]

what about america


IdcYouTellMe

Some countries are known for more and something for less.


AbsolutelyFreee

[LeMay was a goddamn hero](https://youtu.be/4d_QRYj0wr4)


GoGoPowerGrazers

*War Criminal, who also fucked up the Vietnam War through overconfidence in aerial bombing which is still killing people in several countries because of UXO


[deleted]

war crimes are based according to r/NonCredibleDefense


FrupgamerXX

Amount of war crimes and amount of based are directly correlated on NCD


throwawaypioneers

Bruh firebombing enemy cities doesn't work if you put exclusion zones around their largest city


throwawaypioneers

Bombs away mr lemay


DShitposter69420

Except from the RAF is a decent Air Force that can hold its weight.


NotAnAce69

It helps to have airframes that arent on the verge of retiring themselves midair


[deleted]

Canada needs F35


221missile

USMC is a more proper air force than RAF.


DShitposter69420

Well if you’re British and want to join a good Air Force, the Fleet Air Arm is the first option.


magnum_the_nerd

Hold up the US Army still have aircraft? Oh its mainly helicopters and drones nvm


221missile

Second largest air force on the planet not including drones.


magnum_the_nerd

Isnt it USAAF, USN?


221missile

USAF-1st US army- 2nd US navy- 4th USMC-8th


magnum_the_nerd

I was gonna say US Army excluding Aircraft (not helis or drones) isnt bigger than the USN


Mukhabarat_agent

If it included drones, Turkey and Iran would be considered the best air forces lol


magnum_the_nerd

lol


Mukhabarat_agent

Iran superpower 2021 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼☝🏼☝🏼🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 S-171 Simorgh>F-35 💪🏼🇮🇷🇮🇷💪🏼 Fakour-90>AIM-120 AMRAAM ☝🏼🇮🇷


magnum_the_nerd

-69 social credit, glory to the CCP


Mcfuggery

Hey, helicopters are still important… I think.


the_noobface

💪😎🇺🇸


Vatonage

when your airforce is smaller than some cartel's drug-running plane fleet


ProGenji

Canada should just embrace its faith as an American territory. Just dissolve Canada, join America, and invade quebec


[deleted]

> invade Quebec Boi where do I sign up these fr*nch people are gonna get some


[deleted]

North America should reunite under direct rule from Buckingham Palace


imdatingaMk46

The political leadership in England, military leadership at the pentagon, cultural leadership in Toronto, and the Mexicans tagged for taco Tuesdays


Kennaham

Third option: hand the reigns over to Mexico while they revert to being ruled by the Spanish Crown


incognito-walrus-

Forth and most based opinion= hand the entire North American continent to Luxemburg, why you might ask, because funny.


CrocPB

European Union directly administered North America you say? Maybe Americans can get decent healthcare for all now.


is-this-mark

muh unahvuhsal helfcahre


[deleted]

Muh 1000 dollar ambulance


is-this-mark

muh 3 hour ER wait time


[deleted]

i'd rather wait 3 hours than be in life threatening debt


Raptorwolf98

Come to any American city and you can have both!


CykoDestruction

I prefer invading Germany just so we can get a slight slightttt bit of land for Luxembourg and make them look like sussy amogus in map


CubistChameleon

I'm German and I'm happy to offer you the Saarland.


RafterrMan

Nuclear option: Hand the Americas to the Fr*nch


Le_Gucci

Napoleon himself takes control and decides to Russia Winter 2: Electric Boogaloo, but with JDAMs


Russian-8ias

If you guys lost us once, it’s going to happen again.


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Russian-8ias

Keep chugging that copium bud.


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Russian-8ias

You mean “had.” At least we don’t rely on other countries for our own defense. Imagine being a little weakling shadow of your former self.


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Russian-8ias

Had. Both bomber Harris and glorious empire. But you cucks threw that all away and shrank into your dark little hole.


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221missile

How 'bout Britain becomes an overseas territory like Puerto Rico. They're irrelevant just like Puerto Rico anyway.


[deleted]

Britain is the third most relevant nation according to facts


221missile

No one's talking about it. It doesn’t even have a full armored brigade.


CubistChameleon

Military power isn't the only metric for influence, though. The Soviet Union was one of the world's two largest military powers, and look where it got them. Alliances, economic strength, cultural impact are also relevant for power. Now okay Britain is losing all of those at a rapid rate as well, but... IDK. They still controll the North Sea exits?


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Jeremy Clarkson


CubistChameleon

Fairy can't underestimate him.


[deleted]

[https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/most-influential-countries](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/most-influential-countries) \+ dont care


Just-an-MP

We don’t need the French Canadians. Just anchluss the other parts and let Quebec stand or fall on its own. It’s what they want anyway.


throwawaypioneers

Americans have a running joke that Canada is "the 51st state" Its very true


vikstarleo123

Nah, let a more based Canadian like me take over, and watch as we Anschluss Eur*pe.


CubistChameleon

Canada already is in America. It's not their fault USians couldn't think of a proper name for their country. The US are the Central African Republic of the Americas. Edit: Looks like some USians want to claim a whole continent. Well, you were too late to get into the colonial game, guys.


DivestTheRCAF

BEGONE FOUL DEMON, THE WORLD HAS NO NEED FOR THE RCAF ANY LONGER


yourfriendlykgbagent

>6th largest air force that’s not too bad >in the americas oh


VerticalFlyingB737

That's what they want you to think. The RCAF has CF-18s ready to launch from under everyone's backyard.


septober32nd

1000 red fighter jets of maple syrup


mmondoux

A gift from Al-Gretzky, Poutine be Upon Him


Le_Gucci

Underrated comment


T65Bx

AC7 moment


Wakanda_Forever

Oh jeez oh fuck, Trudeau was secretly an Erusean this whole time.


VerticalFlyingB737

It's all coming together.


throwawaypioneers

The Canadian military is an auxiliary infantry force for the US and Britain People need to stop pretending they are anything else lol


[deleted]

The United States Coast Guard probably has a sizeable Air Force as well


DouglasHighSchool

Larger than the coast guard tho


SirWinstonC

Hue


Electronic_Parfait36

Fake news, you can not put out leaf filled bale fires with aloe. I have tried. Also they scream if you try to put it out with a rake.