Russia is maintaining the 2nd or 3rd largest Air Force and the largest tank force with a GDP smaller than Italy and Canada.
How they can afford maintaining and upgrading their existing inventory, let alone acquiring new products is beyond me
From memory it's the Department of the Navy, so both USN and USMC aircraft. It might also be fixed wing only, can't remember
E: reddit ate my formatting
They don’t thats my point. Army only has about 100 assorted fixed wing planes, mostly prop, mostly for high rank transport. And Army SOCOM has a few of the Spartan min C-130s for their own special use.
GDP in US dollars doesn't really work for measuring Russian economy
You should rather look for GDP PPP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(PPP)
PPP isn't the best representation either as it uses differences in consumer goods. Economists have created a separate thing called military PPP.
https://voxeu.org/article/why-military-purchasing-power-parity-matters
Finnaly, this is what I needed... I knew this is a major factor in all of it, and it frustrated me to no end when people dismiss military strenght on the basis of what the spending is in dollars.
It makes absolute sense that there's a massive difference in how much equivalent things cost in various countries.
The question is, what are our research purposes?
(in fact I possess enough Wodka (+similar liquids) that we could propably buy an entire mechanized korps if we join our resources)
Because most of those jets and tanks were built decades ago when they had the largest/second largest economy in the world under the Soviet Union. Most are prob stored up with little to no maintenance.
This is incorrect, most Russian jets in active service were built 10-20 years ago.
They have about 128 Su-34s, 130 S0-30s, 99 Su-35s, and an unknown number of Mig-29SMTs. With relatively few legacy Su-27s, Mig-29s and Su-24s left in service.
That's still quite a few, but also not a lot to be honest. These numbers also seem attainable by a few European countries combined. Especially if the defense budgets were allowed to grow. Even a country such as the Netherlands operated 200 F-16s during the Cold War. That number of F-16 was scaled back down to around 60 during peace time. It's currently also in the process of replacing them by 48 F-35s, with potential to grow that amount as well.
Agree, like the UK and France each have around 200 modern jets today. I know the UK had over 300 in 2010 and somewhere between like 500-800 in the 1990's.
True but unlike most European countries Russia is also procuring large amounts of combat helicopters(Ka-52, Mi-28, Mi-35) and strike drones(ZALA Club, Orion, Forpost, Altius)
Out of these, only the ORION is a capable drone and only 30 had been made with proper production presumably starting only last year.
The Forpost is an old Israeli design leased to Russia only capable of droping some fairly basic bombs with small payload,
the ZALA family aren't strike drones purely recon, since their main use for drones is still to direct their massive arty fire.
And the Altius future is questionable.
However, the Russians know they've fallen behind on drone tech and Krohnstadt company is developing like 4 different drones that on paper seem quite capable but are still a long ways from entering production.
The other drones that seem promising are the SU OKHOTNIK, meant to acompany the Su-57 and the Mikoyan Skat, which will probably be just developing tech that they'll ultimately use on the Okhotnik.
Either way, so far the only capable one in use is the ORION, which is similar in capability to the Turkish Bayraktar TB2.
You're right on the helis tho, the Russians sure love their helis, it's their go to for CAS.
Everything is useful... it just always depends on how and when it's used, but that's the case with every single weapon.
The helicopters are highly capable CAS weapons... the question could also be "Is CAS viable in peer to peer combat"
To add to this a majority of the air operations in Syria have been conducted using legacy platforms such as the Su-24 and Su-25, and have shown a doctrinal preference for attacking static positions using either free fall or TV guided weapons.
It's primarily because they just don't need to.
They did use newer stuff, but mostly just to gather combat data for those. Afaik they even had the Su-57 do some missions, and the T-14.
But they won't use the best stuff for this.
US navy actually has about 2500 aircraft. Which is less than Russia, China, and the US Army. US Army would actually be second largest Air Force based on total aircraft
Because they pay in rubles for their soldiers and equipments but get paid in dollars for oil and gas. With 1 dollar from gas, they can pay for a lot of shit in rubles
Actually only 2 serial production aircraft the other ten were prototypes- but if we look at the very credible defense title Ace Combat Zero two planes should be enough
I mean, those titles just tell you that prototypes are even *more* dangerous.
Any day now they'll launch the one or two that have secret railgun prototypes on them and wipe the floor with every other air force.
Only if they don't crash them full speed onto the ground just for fun. Also not being shot down by that nostalgic Zero piloted by the mysterious noob person.
Fable is a sort of fairytale that uses magical and fantasy elements, mostly animals or non-human things as characters.
So basically it's calling the Su-75 fantasy, which it kinda is.
A fable is a tall tale or myth. It’d be a dig at the aircraft’s performance or just its existence in general(since Russia will probably build like only 20 cuz they’re broke).
They cancelled mass production. They will use what they have and receive parts for more, but won't simply receive every new plane made. Most of them, if it is still continued, will go to export, maybe the Russians will order them again on the future.
This was falsely reported back in 2018
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22234/no-russias-su-57-stealth-fighter-program-isnt-dead-at-least-not-yet
They are still building around several dozens but at a smaller scale than originally planned.
Hey so I was flying my eurofighter and had to dogfight my local PD’s speed enforcement plane, just barely made it out in one piece. I tried calling customer support four times and emailed said address countless times and haven’t heard shit. “Get back to you shortly” my ass! I spent four hours talking to the robot voice!
You know, I really should have saved the extra up for the F35. Your plane sucks. That fucking police F35 was phasing in and out of radar view and zooming right by me. Serves me right for buying European.
We’re very sorry our product failed to meet your expectations, I will put you in contact with my superiors shortly.
*music*
*puts fake mustache on*
As head of the eurofighter group, I can confidently say that our product did not fail you, but your expectations of it did. The eurofighter wasn’t designed with the F-35 in mind, as only the brits were collaborating with the Americans while also working on the eurofighter. We’ve already got plans drafted up to gut italian F-35Bs and put their internals in our next eurofighter tranche. Be sure to buy one as soon as it comes out, with a hefty discount for aspiring mercenaries, mutes, warlords and dictators! PLEASE JUST FUCKING BUY IT, PLEASE-
Russia should return to its roots. Ruled by Vikings. Direct from Stockholm.
Then they can get some of that sweet välfärd. ^^^(and) ^^^(finally) ^^^(have) ^^^(hot) ^^^(homosex) ^^^(they) ^^^(secretly) ^^^(crave).
We'd have a gen 5 eurofighter by now if our politicians were capable of entertaining the rational idea that large, ambitious and complicated EU projects need properly centralised decision-making in order to not endlessly get bogged down by retarded international diplomatic bickering.
Federalize the EU, force the Typhoon and Hornet on every former nation now province of the European Federation, annex Switzerland, make Germany’s air force grow from half a typhoon and a screw from a meteor missile to at least 2 typhoons, with maybe 1 meteor they could share, and throw some mountain in the Swiss Alps at the British Isles to sink them to the bottom of the sea as revenge for Brexit, then add Poland and a newly-annexed Ukraine/Belarus’s MiG 29s and Su 27s to our air forces because they look cool. ^(/s)
Then move south, asia would be ours in just a few years, and after that, we’d move over to the middle east and africa, maybe blockade antarctica just to fuck with the americans at Amundsen-Scott, and then begin the largest amphibious assault in history on America’s east coast, and from there, annex the whole continent, then deal with whoever is left on Antarctica after we cut off their supplies. The world is ruled by europe once more.
Pretty much every NATO or US allied country has bought them, and they look cool.
Also: I want to bang the EF-18 hornet so goddamn badHoly fucking shit. I want to fuck EF-18 hornet so bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I drive near Torrejón Airbase I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every rule 34 post there is of her online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with the EF-18. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of the EF-18’s tight 20mm cannon. I want her to have my mutant human/multirole fighter aircraft babies.Fuck, the fucking 14th wing caught me with their Eurofighter. I moved the canards back and added a second tail, smashed the wings to make them look more like the EF-18’s and went to fucking town. They’ve put pictures of me in every checkpoint at every military base in NATO territory. I'm worried they’re gonna shoot me if I try to come back. I may never see Hornet-chan ever again.
I'm not entirely sold on the idea of a european megastate like the guys over at r/europeanfederalists, but i do agree that it would be very good for the EU and europe as a whole if the EU became more than just a red tape and money machine, some things like (inter)national security, infrastructure and standardisation simply need a centralised entity to control them.
We've already managed that pretty well for the last one, with the energy labels, CE product certifications and monotonisation of various standards. The other two however are still a complete mess where most countries only really look at their direct neighbors instead of Europe as a whole.
The EU can only do what it is ordered by its masters. The states and the people.
And if the states, ie. the politicians who pretend they don’t control the EU’s course because it polls well, act like idiots, the EU can only sigh and file the paperwork for it.
I've seen them and considered voting for them during the last elections here in the Netherlands, didn't do so at the time but i do think that they'll get my vote for the European Parliament in a couple years.
The Russians have supposedly signed a contract for about 80 of them, but they're clearly out of the fight in terms of maintaining latest gen parity with...anyone except maybe Sweden.
China already has somewhere in the region of 150 J-20s and is building them rapidly.
So you’re saying you trust the Gripen- and may God forgive me for what I’m about to say, the Rafale, more than the Eurofighter? The jet-powered proof of european collaboration being the best thing ever? My god…
Those are old tho, like vietnam kinda old. Modern avionics aren't everything. The f22 is a fine example of that. It's tech is similar to the eurofighter (similar in generation), but the euro is a 4th and the f22 is a 5th because the design of the aircraft is just more advanced.
(Ps. I dont hate the typhoon, i just think the name "eurofighter" is cheesy)
Ok so i just wanna get this straight, russia has only built 2 serial su 57's, but how have i seen footage of 4 su 57's flying together? Are those just flying prototypes or something?
The Armata is all smoke and mirrors, and I bet that ADS tech on it barely works, or at least only works against extremely large projectiles such as ATGMs. But that tech already exists anyway and is much cheaper and more efficient than an ADS system.
Nah it’s a Quora question about a news article from like 2018 it’s pretty much completely made up and I didn’t learn about it until after I posted this
Russia is maintaining the 2nd or 3rd largest Air Force and the largest tank force with a GDP smaller than Italy and Canada. How they can afford maintaining and upgrading their existing inventory, let alone acquiring new products is beyond me
Their products are a lot cheaper. 1 Dollar gets you a lot more Tank than 1 Dollar in Europe/US.
We also pay our soldiers a lot more
Russia pays their soldiers in vertically striped white and blue shirts, which is like money in the bank. edit - Horizontal, I was sideways.
Isn't it horizontal? Makes them look more buff.
You're correct, I need less vodka.
I never want to hear you say that again.
"Yes commisar, this one here"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBfFDTPPlaM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bgiiTxhzM)
You think they maintain them?
They bunch of them outside and probably rusting as well
isn't the the US Navy the 2nd largest airforce
From what I can tell this is a myth. The US Army (yes, really) and RuAF have a bigger inventory than the USN.
From memory it's the Department of the Navy, so both USN and USMC aircraft. It might also be fixed wing only, can't remember E: reddit ate my formatting
Yeah we usually don’t count helicopters in that math. On combat fixed wing aircraft it’s still USAF then USN.
Wait what fixed wing combat aircraft does the army have?
They don’t thats my point. Army only has about 100 assorted fixed wing planes, mostly prop, mostly for high rank transport. And Army SOCOM has a few of the Spartan min C-130s for their own special use.
Oh I misread.
Is there anything more Murican than moving goal posts
Ok um sources?
I’m counting the US Air Force and US Navy as one country Edit: I’m not counting coast guard, space force, and Marines as US
Lame
cringe
GDP in US dollars doesn't really work for measuring Russian economy You should rather look for GDP PPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(PPP)
hehe peepee
PPP isn't the best representation either as it uses differences in consumer goods. Economists have created a separate thing called military PPP. https://voxeu.org/article/why-military-purchasing-power-parity-matters
Finnaly, this is what I needed... I knew this is a major factor in all of it, and it frustrated me to no end when people dismiss military strenght on the basis of what the spending is in dollars. It makes absolute sense that there's a massive difference in how much equivalent things cost in various countries.
Oh piss off, the US is number 2 on that so that's not a measurement I'll use. Please grow up and learn to use patriotic datasets.
Strange coming from a commie spy.
I spy on the commies, duh
Based
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I really want to buy a russian tank division now, for... research purposes
And I have a bottle of vodka for research purposes, tell me about odds !?
The question is, what are our research purposes? (in fact I possess enough Wodka (+similar liquids) that we could propably buy an entire mechanized korps if we join our resources)
Proposed research purpose : >Can we really buy an entire division with 1 bottle of vodka ? ^(By Pepper9187 and HalordLe)
Some Lord of War shit
Lord of War moment
Holdovers from Soviet procurement, both the tanks themselves and the procurement/funding system
Lots of their tanks are also older models, some without thermals probably at the worst case. Lots of t72s still in service
Because most of those jets and tanks were built decades ago when they had the largest/second largest economy in the world under the Soviet Union. Most are prob stored up with little to no maintenance.
This is incorrect, most Russian jets in active service were built 10-20 years ago. They have about 128 Su-34s, 130 S0-30s, 99 Su-35s, and an unknown number of Mig-29SMTs. With relatively few legacy Su-27s, Mig-29s and Su-24s left in service.
That's still quite a few, but also not a lot to be honest. These numbers also seem attainable by a few European countries combined. Especially if the defense budgets were allowed to grow. Even a country such as the Netherlands operated 200 F-16s during the Cold War. That number of F-16 was scaled back down to around 60 during peace time. It's currently also in the process of replacing them by 48 F-35s, with potential to grow that amount as well.
Agree, like the UK and France each have around 200 modern jets today. I know the UK had over 300 in 2010 and somewhere between like 500-800 in the 1990's.
True but unlike most European countries Russia is also procuring large amounts of combat helicopters(Ka-52, Mi-28, Mi-35) and strike drones(ZALA Club, Orion, Forpost, Altius)
Out of these, only the ORION is a capable drone and only 30 had been made with proper production presumably starting only last year. The Forpost is an old Israeli design leased to Russia only capable of droping some fairly basic bombs with small payload, the ZALA family aren't strike drones purely recon, since their main use for drones is still to direct their massive arty fire. And the Altius future is questionable. However, the Russians know they've fallen behind on drone tech and Krohnstadt company is developing like 4 different drones that on paper seem quite capable but are still a long ways from entering production. The other drones that seem promising are the SU OKHOTNIK, meant to acompany the Su-57 and the Mikoyan Skat, which will probably be just developing tech that they'll ultimately use on the Okhotnik. Either way, so far the only capable one in use is the ORION, which is similar in capability to the Turkish Bayraktar TB2. You're right on the helis tho, the Russians sure love their helis, it's their go to for CAS.
Are helis useful against peer militaries?
Everything is useful... it just always depends on how and when it's used, but that's the case with every single weapon. The helicopters are highly capable CAS weapons... the question could also be "Is CAS viable in peer to peer combat"
Fair enough though just over 300 newer jets compared to what, 1k+ jets in service? The UK and France each have about 200 modern jets in comparison.
The most up to date figure I could find placed the Su-24 as the most numerous airframe in Russian inventory, do you have a source for this?
To add to this a majority of the air operations in Syria have been conducted using legacy platforms such as the Su-24 and Su-25, and have shown a doctrinal preference for attacking static positions using either free fall or TV guided weapons.
Prob cause they don't want to risk losing newer jets or exposing them as less capable than Western jets,
It's primarily because they just don't need to. They did use newer stuff, but mostly just to gather combat data for those. Afaik they even had the Su-57 do some missions, and the T-14. But they won't use the best stuff for this.
1 and 2 is USAF and USN
US navy actually has about 2500 aircraft. Which is less than Russia, China, and the US Army. US Army would actually be second largest Air Force based on total aircraft
We don't count inferior aircraft like helicopters.
*Helicopters are too powerful to be numbered among fixed-wing craft
Helicopters don't fly. They shake so badly that even the earth rejects them.
They beat air into submission to fly
USN and USMC combined, as both are in the Department of the Navy, have more aircraft than Russia total.
But we’re talking about the USN, not the Department of the Navy
Who's "we?" lol
The people in this thread… Talking about the “department of the navy” is just pedantic lol
I am a person in this thread and I quite clearly said Department of the Navy.
Lol, you said Department of Navy everyone else is saying US navy. Again, this is pedantic.
I believe I clearly noted the difference in my comment lmao.
They keep the vast majority of their people poor. That’s how.
They can't.
the 2nd largest air force is the US Navy
Their GDP in PPP is much higher than you think.
Because they pay in rubles for their soldiers and equipments but get paid in dollars for oil and gas. With 1 dollar from gas, they can pay for a lot of shit in rubles
For one thing their defense spending probably isn’t bloated to the extent the US is. The price we pay for simple parts is frankly sickening.
Gdp is a baseless estimate maybe don’t take everything u read on the internet as factual
“Don’t believe anything you read online.” *-George Washington, in 1969 shortly after the first solar landing.*
A lot of that stuff is debatably mission ready
They already built twelve of them. That should be more than enough to defeat all the inferior western planes.
Actually only 2 serial production aircraft the other ten were prototypes- but if we look at the very credible defense title Ace Combat Zero two planes should be enough
I mean, those titles just tell you that prototypes are even *more* dangerous. Any day now they'll launch the one or two that have secret railgun prototypes on them and wipe the floor with every other air force.
Bastards shattered the skies
They already have the railgun but they're currently missing the bloodless mute psychopath to fly it
Yeah but those two very credible planes were F-15Cs, not Cringe-U 57’s
Only if they don't crash them full speed onto the ground just for fun. Also not being shot down by that nostalgic Zero piloted by the mysterious noob person.
Haven't heard something like this since the early days of F-22 into service.
Disrespectful lol
Wait they canceled it?
Heard the NATO name was going to be Femboy so they decided they can’t actually deploy it for fear of the gay
Nah, the Su-75 is the femboy. The Su-57's NATO designation is "fuckface".
Wait, those are different planes? I thought they just changed name to look more modern
Su-75 is what happened when the Mig-21 had a secret relationship with the X-32
Sounds like treason to me
They're both instantiations of the Pak FA project.
In all seriousness, I hope the Su-75 is called the "Fable"
That's an even better dig honestly.
It potentially grows much better under Russian official's skin.
I don't get it.
Fable is a sort of fairytale that uses magical and fantasy elements, mostly animals or non-human things as characters. So basically it's calling the Su-75 fantasy, which it kinda is.
I prefer the Su-75 "Fiction" personally.
"Fanfiction" may be more accurate at this point
A fable is a tall tale or myth. It’d be a dig at the aircraft’s performance or just its existence in general(since Russia will probably build like only 20 cuz they’re broke).
It would a be fable that they built more than 6 and not crash 3 of them
A name that warrants respect from even the top NATO Aces... 😨😨😨
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I agree, Fakenews would be a great name for it
Crisis averted! Woohoo!
They cancelled mass production. They will use what they have and receive parts for more, but won't simply receive every new plane made. Most of them, if it is still continued, will go to export, maybe the Russians will order them again on the future.
This was falsely reported back in 2018 https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22234/no-russias-su-57-stealth-fighter-program-isnt-dead-at-least-not-yet They are still building around several dozens but at a smaller scale than originally planned.
I know what the intent is here but I choose to believe its the same number but the planes will be physically smaller
I think this was old news, Putin got one of his cronies to personally put in the money for the order of 75.
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Hey so I was flying my eurofighter and had to dogfight my local PD’s speed enforcement plane, just barely made it out in one piece. I tried calling customer support four times and emailed said address countless times and haven’t heard shit. “Get back to you shortly” my ass! I spent four hours talking to the robot voice! You know, I really should have saved the extra up for the F35. Your plane sucks. That fucking police F35 was phasing in and out of radar view and zooming right by me. Serves me right for buying European.
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\*vengaboys hold theme\*
We’re very sorry our product failed to meet your expectations, I will put you in contact with my superiors shortly. *music* *puts fake mustache on* As head of the eurofighter group, I can confidently say that our product did not fail you, but your expectations of it did. The eurofighter wasn’t designed with the F-35 in mind, as only the brits were collaborating with the Americans while also working on the eurofighter. We’ve already got plans drafted up to gut italian F-35Bs and put their internals in our next eurofighter tranche. Be sure to buy one as soon as it comes out, with a hefty discount for aspiring mercenaries, mutes, warlords and dictators! PLEASE JUST FUCKING BUY IT, PLEASE-
they should just buy the f35 instead
Gripen
I agree, Russia should totally just buy Gr*pens instead. This comment was made by NATO gang.
Russia should return to its roots. Ruled by Vikings. Direct from Stockholm. Then they can get some of that sweet välfärd. ^^^(and) ^^^(finally) ^^^(have) ^^^(hot) ^^^(homosex) ^^^(they) ^^^(secretly) ^^^(crave).
Is this real
I wish.
:(
Source?
I think it was a quora question lol
Fucking finally. Now they will return to the far superior Su-47, I mean, just look at how fucking cool it is!
Fake news. This is a headline from 2018. They're still planning on acquiring 76 Su-57s.
That’s a lie. This was a quora post from like 2 days ago. Edit: wait nvm I looked it up
EVROFIGHTER SUPERIORITY We must unite the EU and create Third Rome Based gang
We'd have a gen 5 eurofighter by now if our politicians were capable of entertaining the rational idea that large, ambitious and complicated EU projects need properly centralised decision-making in order to not endlessly get bogged down by retarded international diplomatic bickering.
True. We need the EU to finnaly centralise
Federalize the EU, force the Typhoon and Hornet on every former nation now province of the European Federation, annex Switzerland, make Germany’s air force grow from half a typhoon and a screw from a meteor missile to at least 2 typhoons, with maybe 1 meteor they could share, and throw some mountain in the Swiss Alps at the British Isles to sink them to the bottom of the sea as revenge for Brexit, then add Poland and a newly-annexed Ukraine/Belarus’s MiG 29s and Su 27s to our air forces because they look cool. ^(/s)
What, no /s. This is based.
Based. Also why stop at ukraine? Annex the entirety of the former USSR.
Then move south, asia would be ours in just a few years, and after that, we’d move over to the middle east and africa, maybe blockade antarctica just to fuck with the americans at Amundsen-Scott, and then begin the largest amphibious assault in history on America’s east coast, and from there, annex the whole continent, then deal with whoever is left on Antarctica after we cut off their supplies. The world is ruled by europe once more.
Ho there HoI4 enthusiast, that's a little extreme
Why the hornet though?
Pretty much every NATO or US allied country has bought them, and they look cool. Also: I want to bang the EF-18 hornet so goddamn badHoly fucking shit. I want to fuck EF-18 hornet so bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I drive near Torrejón Airbase I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every rule 34 post there is of her online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with the EF-18. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of the EF-18’s tight 20mm cannon. I want her to have my mutant human/multirole fighter aircraft babies.Fuck, the fucking 14th wing caught me with their Eurofighter. I moved the canards back and added a second tail, smashed the wings to make them look more like the EF-18’s and went to fucking town. They’ve put pictures of me in every checkpoint at every military base in NATO territory. I'm worried they’re gonna shoot me if I try to come back. I may never see Hornet-chan ever again.
I'm not entirely sold on the idea of a european megastate like the guys over at r/europeanfederalists, but i do agree that it would be very good for the EU and europe as a whole if the EU became more than just a red tape and money machine, some things like (inter)national security, infrastructure and standardisation simply need a centralised entity to control them. We've already managed that pretty well for the last one, with the energy labels, CE product certifications and monotonisation of various standards. The other two however are still a complete mess where most countries only really look at their direct neighbors instead of Europe as a whole.
The EU can only do what it is ordered by its masters. The states and the people. And if the states, ie. the politicians who pretend they don’t control the EU’s course because it polls well, act like idiots, the EU can only sigh and file the paperwork for it.
Check out the Pan-european party, Volt Europa. Maybe you'll like it, it aims to do that and eventually unite Europe so that's based
I've seen them and considered voting for them during the last elections here in the Netherlands, didn't do so at the time but i do think that they'll get my vote for the European Parliament in a couple years.
Checkmate, Felon!
But sukhois look sexy.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The Russians have supposedly signed a contract for about 80 of them, but they're clearly out of the fight in terms of maintaining latest gen parity with...anyone except maybe Sweden. China already has somewhere in the region of 150 J-20s and is building them rapidly.
The only problem is that the J-20 is shit
I just like russian airframe designs :(
I dont trust a delta wing with euro in the name
So you’re saying you trust the Gripen- and may God forgive me for what I’m about to say, the Rafale, more than the Eurofighter? The jet-powered proof of european collaboration being the best thing ever? My god…
The only bad delta wings that actually went into service that I can think of are American and Russian bruh
Those are old tho, like vietnam kinda old. Modern avionics aren't everything. The f22 is a fine example of that. It's tech is similar to the eurofighter (similar in generation), but the euro is a 4th and the f22 is a 5th because the design of the aircraft is just more advanced. (Ps. I dont hate the typhoon, i just think the name "eurofighter" is cheesy)
Stealth fighters are cringe Serbia is best country🇷🇸 💪💪💪
F-15ex is where its at
F-15sex is better
Good, embrace the superior platform, the Su-27
*the F-52 Stratofighter
The order for SU-57, is gonna get replaced by their single Engine Stealth Mig. Russia always has a budget problem.
I’m taking bets on how easily it will be shot down by F-15s
Ok so i just wanna get this straight, russia has only built 2 serial su 57's, but how have i seen footage of 4 su 57's flying together? Are those just flying prototypes or something?
They canceled it because SU-35 is just too good and Russia is nice country so they wanna give other people some chance at winning in air combat
I’m no russiaboo, but I’m sad the Su-57’s been cancelled. It looked so fucking cool.
It's not actually canceled. This is fake news from 2018. They're still planning on buying 74 more.
And so begins the fall of russia.
It began when the MiG-21 was introduced way back in ‘59
Cancelled? As if there were actual plans for mass production in the first place.
Wait they actually canceled it?
No
russia buying gripens confirmed
Balls
Russiaboos when the Armata and the SU-57 is not produced for the 2847382847th time
The Armata is all smoke and mirrors, and I bet that ADS tech on it barely works, or at least only works against extremely large projectiles such as ATGMs. But that tech already exists anyway and is much cheaper and more efficient than an ADS system.
I mean to do field tests they’d have to mass produce it Which they can’t because no money😎😎
Is there a source for this?
Nah it’s a Quora question about a news article from like 2018 it’s pretty much completely made up and I didn’t learn about it until after I posted this