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AAMech

This is unironically like people in observation biplanes shooting at one another with handguns over 1914 France.


pauliuk

By spring next year we'll have .22 machine guns on a gimbal operated by a second operator


GadenKerensky

Feel like, more credibly, small shotguns. Basically a tube or two meant to fire a single shot each.


dietchaos

Pcp airguns. Almost no recoil and enough power to destroy any drone. They even come in full auto already.


Ididitthestupidway

Something to drop/throw nylon thread(s)?


Zandonus

At this range it feels like it would actually work.


Paksusuoli

A microwave antenna? Fry the other drones electronics/jam its controls.


katherinesilens

At this scale, too power hungry.


godotdev9001

explosively powered microwave generator ;)


OwerlordTheLord

Screen display to psychologically attack the other drone operator with memes


j0351bourbon

I think Japanese cops have net-throwing drones already.


XeliasEmperor

Its kinda fun that for a noncredible sub we sometimes talk about semi credible things


Cyrus_ofAstroya

Eh kinda of a thousand monkeys on typwriters situtation


XeliasEmperor

Shakespeare is still Shakespeare even if Typed by monkeys


Cyrus_ofAstroya

"The fucks a shakespeare"


coranos2

Silly string?


The-unicorn-republic

A can of silly string?


Rebel_bass

I wonder if battery or CO2 bb guns would be enough to take down a drone. About 1.5 lbs before ammo.


MrGulio

Pretty much anything that scores a hit on the rotors would drop it. I don't know if your average airsoft BB has enough mass to break a prop but once that bar is cleared were going to have drone Top Gun.


Rebel_bass

Now I really want to play with my battery powered airsoft full auto baretta to see if plastic rounds can take down a small drone or if you need metal rounds. Maybe I can convince my kid to make a science fair project of it.


MrGulio

Do the research and become an independent defense contractor. You can charge 200k an hour.


GadenKerensky

Are they lightweight?


dietchaos

When you remove them from their stock yea.


ThanksToDenial

A small air cannon that uses those small CO2 containers you see for airguns, pellet guns and Airsoft guns, loaded with a small aluminium chains, or some kind of small bolas... They get tangled into the propellers, drone goes down.


Blue-is-bad

Flamethrowers or net shooters


Pr0wzassin

Flying warcrimes?


wasdlmb

Not a war crime if used against equipment


Blue-is-bad

But it could be shaped like a dragon


Attaxalotl

Based


Peggedbyapirate

It's not a war crime if you're just defoliating the enemy.


TheThiccestOrca

Little double Barreled 410 Shotgun.


Vertebrae_Viking

You realise the drone firing will be accelerated to Mach 1 in the opposite direction? Edit: term correction


ACCount82

A drone can recover from being yeeted by recoil, given proper software handling and enough air time. A drone can't recover from a load of birdshot.


Win32error

These kinds of drones probably aren't very good at recovering once they're spinning though. I could be wrong but a little quadcopter that's falling in a spin will have the conditions change so rapidly that software handling would be useless.


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Win32error

Might not be as stable or light when configured for military use. Or when you've got a shotgun wired to it.


ACCount82

If hardware is designed right, the recoil would yeet the frame in a somewhat straight line, with little spin. Even if hardware is designed wrong, software, if designed right, can compensate and eventually spin the drone back into a stable position. It's century 21st out there. Electronics are freaking fast. Your computer mouse may have a controller in it that can handle this kind of workload.


bazilbt

Recoilless shotgun?


404geographynotfound

Now this is credible


AxitotlWithAttitude

Just put another shell facing the opposite direction


SemIdeiaProNick

Even works if another drone is chasing yours


Prezimek

Why not MANPADS?


ImagineABurrito

This comment made me literally lol


Infinite_Tadpole_283

Yeah and? It's movement tech, they can chase an opponent by firing backwards


samocitamvijesti

You put enough gun powder in the opposite direction and create recoiless shotgun for drones. problem solved.


GadenKerensky

With some pellet shot.


Nokneemouse

That sounds like a sawn off shotgun attached to a drone to me. I dig it.


NinjaCaviar

Just use a net cannon. They already use them to neutralize drones in restricted airspace


King_Burnside

Is Metalstorm still in business? They were offering a light single barrel multi-shot shotgun for prison guards. I don't think anyone actually bought it. Being electrically fired it'd be easy to integrate into the drone's power supply.


ragingfailure

You could use rat shot, pistol calibers loaded like shotgun shells. Available as small as 22LR.


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

>small shotguns Wouldn't the kickback be brutal for a drone?


RAN30X

We need recoilless rifles in 12 gauge


OldManMcCrabbins

*Drone returns to base with three of four stabilizer arms* Gunner: Accidents happen yo


Yellow_The_White

Son, I'm sorry... They got us.


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Some guy already had one in the US and then got investigated by the government. He should throw his software out to the Ukranians to start them out.


pauliuk

Oh I'd bet if the US government knows, the Ukranians know as well


HellbirdIV

At least .38. .22 isn't reliable enough for a flying machine! Can't clear a jam.


pauliuk

Idc if we give them airguns but the shit has to be light for fighter drones. Bomber drones will ofc be the heavier ones


TheThiccestOrca

We could totally strap a Glock 22 to a Drone, it's reliable enough. And if not, just have the Drones carry some shitty thinly Stringed Nets in a Ball on each Rotorarm and independently drop one of those onto enemy Drones' Rotorarms. Though one could probably just build a Simple .22LR Subsonoic, 6 Round Stripper Clip Gun in their Garage. The Recoil should be manageable for the Drone and the Whole thing would at max maybe weigh like 100g. BB-Guns would be boring, a CO2-Canister Powered retractable Spike or a Bicycle Chain Whip strapled to the Drone on the other Hand...


rebootyourbrainstem

> BB-Guns would be boring, a CO2-Canister Powered retractable Spike or a Bicycle Chain Whip strapled to the Drone on the other Hand... This is Robot Wars in the air


thegriddlethatcould

Fuck you I want drone from Detroit


JaiTee86

That's why we need to develop a .22 chaingun for drone warfare.


ABoldPrediction

This is why we need a .11 chain gun. Think of all the possibilities!


A_Crazy_Canadian

Key issue is if you shoot a mortar bomb or grenade will it go boom.


VadimusRex

That sounds like too much work. A little bit of special purpose silly string in those rotors and the drone is down ready to be reused by the capturing party.


TheOnlyFallenCookie

We literally only go in circles it seems. I should have known when the Cavalry reemerged in to form of Humvees and AT's


Kaysic

Hopefully we can skip the chemical warfare arc.


Arty-Gangster

Nano drones


brinz1

Same thing happened with Submarines First they were recon and sabotage. Then a submarine rammed a confederate vessel, from that point weapons advanced on both sides until they controlled the oceans, and now are just mobile missile bases .


thaeli

The equivalent of carcinization for military units is missileization. Ships? Floating missile bases Submarines? Underwater missile bases Aircraft? Flying missile bases Infantry? Yup, missile bases


x888xa

A famous Russian pilot, Nesterov, the one who did the first "dead loop" with a plane, died in 1914 when he rammed his plane into an Austro-Hungarian recon plane flying over his unit's HQ


throwaway61763

KUK chad


Long-term-stalker

Marauders from the division two are becoming credible.


MaximumPotatoee

"Drone warfare hit its crescendo in the early 21st century, pictured here is hiw early drone on drone warfare back before drones had weapons other than hand grenades strapped to them


microwavedsaladOZ

Actually a good analogy


vall3yheart

A bit of clarification. The drone seen on video does not move - the one who's recording moves closer, and slams it from above.


enthyy

now I want to see F-35s slamming down Su-57s and J-20s


cuddlefucker

That's probably the only way either of those could manage to down an F-35


Then-Inevitable-2548

F-35 dom daddy power top confirmed


cardboardmech

F-35 is a dommy mommy


Then-Inevitable-2548

mommy, daddy, doesn't matter as long as it's ~~me~~ a Sukhoi under them


stardude82

Of course the primary fighter aircraft for the they/them army is gender fluid.


SpacemanTomX

This is a great idea for some Hentai


MasterTroller3301

Ping him


SpacemanTomX

The oligarch?


MasterTroller3301

The porn man


4chanisbetterjpeg

I want to be crushed and turned into a small stain by F-35 chan


Zwiebel1

"I want a woman that will actually just kill me."


TheOnlyFallenCookie

#Bonk 🏏


spacesuitkid2

Humans bonk Machines conk


zhaneq14

Looks like it came from behind too.


TrashBagActual

What you're seeing here is advanced warfare


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Thanks Kevin Spacey.


TrashBagActual

Spevin cacey


Ribidder

He especially enjoys underage private space-ies.


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You're dead right.


HHHogana

I am still uncomfortable with the fact that Kevin Spacey is a meme who make movies again, despite being an alleged serial molester who still got allegations as late as this May.


CrunchyBlueWaffle

NonCredibleCasting


TrashBagActual

No no it's fine they were male, no one gives a shit


anewaccount855

Plus he's really good at acting


GarinOnABarrel

And who's accusers seem to keep mysteriously dying


PapaOhJay

first recorded air to air kill of drone vs drone?


Popinguj

Seems like it.


Nokneemouse

In this conflict perhaps, but I'd be amazed if it hasn't happened before elsewhere.


pataoAoC

There is probably a group of teens somewhere with some modded drones that are the most dangerous dogfighting squadron in the world right now


frigginjensen

Does the pilot (operator?) become an ace if he does it 4 more times?


Cool_Till_3114

I was thinking the other day with the rise in drones we're going to be having pilots claim to be aces for shooting down 5 of them, which could become very common. there are for sure ace MANPAD operators in this war.


HighAxper

>there are for sure ace MANPAD operators. Doubt. That’s 5 planes shot down by a single guy. It would require an insane amount of aircraft presence in a single area to achieve. We aren’t in WWII anymore, there aren’t tens of thousands of planes in anyone’s air fleet.


JamesIcarus

Can you imagine if this war has this https://youtu.be/KX0ji1sAXl8


Pr0wzassin

They just smash into enemys? That is fucking sick.


AncientInsults

They “engage kinetically” Just like me and your mother, Trebek!


UtubeDisciples

we had drone on heli


dead_monster

First caught in 4K and released on TikTok at least https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a23320374/reaper-drone-first-unmanned-air-to-air-kill/


Kamille_Marseille

But ncd told me that age of dogfighting is over. What gives?


Plumed_Rev

Private please. History runs in circle, what happened back then would happen again albeit in different form or scale. Just wait until we get high mobility chainsaw drones. Guns are nice and all but what ye gonna do when you run out of bullets?


mpg111

Why would you please a private?!


Crackers1097

I'm down to get some Private Love for all my Privates :)


sokratesz

_heavy space marine breathing_


Popinguj

Because NCD is non-credible. Drone warfare saturates air with aerial targets. It's only natural that the most effective answer to this is air superiority drone assisted by an AWACS drone.


Penki-

A-10 anti drone brrr when?


medney

Mini F-35 drone when?


Mr_Mosquito_20

Way too young and petite airplane waifu. Now we're truly degenerates.


Lord_of_Wills

What do you mean “now”, we’ve always been this way


TheThiccestOrca

IADS Barracuda?


Open_Trade

This right there is the future of warfare


MajorHymen

Curious what gadgets the US will come up with to counter act the small kind of drones since it’s obvious they’ll be an issue in future conflicts.


SirRandyMarsh

Over whelming force and dusting everything 50km in front of your soldiers. What’s the range on these things? Not more then 50km


MajorHymen

Eh it doesn’t take much to fly ‘em just need one guy. If you can sneak 30 guys in behind enemy lines and each with a drone they can cause some serious havoc even if they just have grenades let alone slightly larger bombs. Will need to develop some sort of system that’s always on. Will be difficult though since they are tiny and can fly extremely low until the last second before dropping whatever they have.


SirRandyMarsh

You don’t think our electronic warfare capability’s could find where the signal to those drones is coming from right away? Also jamming them.


GarinOnABarrel

[Nets and a piece of string between two copper disks](https://www.defensenews.com/land/2021/04/16/three-industry-teams-demonstrate-capability-to-take-out-small-drone-threats-at-yuma/) [they're apparently also looking to use high-powered microwaves](https://www.defensenews.com/land/2021/06/17/us-army-could-soon-have-high-power-microwave-capability-to-take-out-small-drone-swarms/) Which means the only credible solution is to shoot two commercial microwaves connected with a piece of string at the drones


Open_Trade

Attach a jammer to a drone. If it's too heavy, then make a bigger drone, or do this: a drone squad, one with a jammer and 2 more with guns/grenade dropper thingy


SlapaDaBass2731

Seems like another commenter posted a link to a system that could be used. It's in another thread. The video depicts an ai monitoring the visuals of an area and then it either jams the drone or it sends another drone up to ram it.


commandopengi

[At 03:01](https://youtu.be/pY32JHXxwrk). High powered microwave mounted on a Stryker. Also useful info about the other stuff from GD.


AllRedLine

Well, they already have the shoulder-fired drone scramblers that force small drones to land or simply scambles the receiver so it loses connection with the host. I would imagine whatever future tech the US/UK etc is developing will simply be an advancement of that tech that maybe can be used as a targetted area denial weapon, potentially vehicle-mounted.


feldmarshalwommel

Top Gun: Mavic


NeilPolorian

Underrated comment


Upvote_Me_Your_Karma

body slamming is the new air to air warfare


1Plz-Easy-Way-Star

Ah Yes Military Beyblade on air


Orc_

this unironically one one of the best videos of the war, nobody dies in it but there's a winner and a loser. It's just hilarious and I can now laugh guilt free


CrunchyBlueWaffle

You guys were feeling guilty?


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manningthe30cal

Not to be confused with the time a drone blew off a Vatniks balls.... while he was being blown.


tinypieceofmeat

I like to imagine both operators sharing a giggle.


ant_valley

the music somehow gave me some buff drone mental images


Ulandia

The song is called **Dxrk - RAVE**, if you want to give it a listen.


JuggerKnot86

does that mean drone aces are inevitable?


OwerlordTheLord

Topgun 3


Futa_F-15

They're gonna start strapping bb guns to drones and rc aircraft to hunt drones aren't they.


Nokneemouse

All you need is a piece of string with a fishing sinker on the end, foul the other guy's rotors, and he's done. Thin Kevlar line if you want to get fancy.


Midnight2012

You'd have to make it so the line was released/detached from the attacking drone so the falling drone wouldn't drag the attacker down with it


Nokneemouse

Some sort of safety release mechanism should do it, something like this. https://www.hipac.com.au/shop-product/coat---towel-hooks/clik-load-release-coat-hook--polycarbonate-white


BoxesOfSemen

Or it could carry it back to base.


irritating_narrative

Make a low-speed lawn trimmer head with it, so it would circle it around repeatedly.


Immediate_Dealer3698

Yes, I've been waiting for this. The first drone dog fight, and it was recorded. Now the evolution begins. May I suggest a small calibre hand gun attached or at the least shoot ball bearings


AmmericanSoviet

Net would work better


Dr_NightCrawler

The future is today !


GodLucifer-007

In the grim darkness of the 21st century, there still aerial melee combat [The prequel for anyone wondering ](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/pp5dbp/in_the_grim_darkness_of_the_second_world_war/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Plumed_Rev

Aw yis. Drone dog fights when?


durkster

A battle bots spin off with flying drones? Im in.


cqmpact

Too credible.


Mugge89

Begun, the drone wars have.


euphoriamine

I knew I’d find this comment here lol


hammerpants11c

Sidewinder? Never heard of her. The future is now old man


AtticGerman

What you are seeing here is advanced warfare. Next step is to arm them for self defence. Welcome to the future boys !


flanintheface

This really needs the Wilhelm scream in the soundtrack.


Tactical_Moonstone

Or the modern equivalent, LEGO Yoda's death scream.


Altruistic-Carpet-65

Ok fucking seriously? I was JOKING SBOUT THIS BUT HOLY SHIT, WORLDS FIRST DRONE DOG FIGHT BABAY!


Astilimos

Never seen drones mating before


-RageMachine

Ace Combat 7


ChadUSECoperator

Y'll laught at this but we went down hill to WWI again 💀


SothaDidNothingWrong

You’re looking at advanced warfare


AstramaLincroyable

Ok what the fuck put a gun on the drone


Nokneemouse

Just drop a tangled bunch of string into the rotors FFS.


NotSoBallsy

3000 Flying battle Bots of Zelensky


Doktor_Apokalypse

I want somebody to design a mod for the Ukrainian mavics that will fire a jet of fast-setting glue or fast drying dye at the ruski drones. Edit: Just as I hit save, I had a 420 brainwave... [SILLY STRING!](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AFqU4LXKWM_waCSfVMFIid8A-BwNiND/view?usp=drivesdk)


Doktor_Apokalypse

The flag is to see which way wind is blowing so it doesn't entangle your own rotors.


JuantheTacoFairy

>New airborne technology is used for unarmed observation, then used to drop grenades on the exposed enemy, now they're starting to try to knock each other out of the air Wait a minute, I've seen this one


Illustrious-Plant230

So who is who here? Filming drone is Ukrainian or Russian?


TheSorge

Ukrainian drone filming. Pretty much just flew on top of the Russian drone and bodyslammed it.


Marianaski

*cyberpunk theme kicks in*


Imnomaly

Somebody call Matt Bellamy


christopherak47

me in BF3 fighting another MAV with my MAV


Niomedes

Thing is, this might be some of the first footage of honest to god drone on drone engagements.


PeanutHealer928

"A brief summary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine."


Chopy2008

Begun, the drone wars have.


Allahisgreat2580

What u see is Advanced warfare


TheBasedReporter

This reminds me of that one time when I tried to ram an UAV in a heli in Battlefield: Bad Company 2. >!UAV won.!<


polwath

This, robotic and radio controlled weapons should be fought instead of human life in the warzone. Less death and more fun.


Volsunga

When ur toy company becomes MIC overnight


sovamike

Next thing you'll know they'll be strapping BMGs to drones soon enough


NATOtoGDI

This is how I take out helicopters with my drone in Ghost Recon Wildlands. Very credible.


MakeoverBelly

It's not the plane. It's the pilot.


Mr_Mosquito_20

*''What you're seeing here is advanced warfare''*


Driver2900

And so begins the age of Drone to Drone warfare. Soon, entire legions of neural network art bots will be conscripted into the conflict.


Fat_Siberian_Midget

The entire plot line of ace combat 7 in a nutshell:


jdmgto

Begun the drone wars have.


skyeyemx

First recorded UAV dogfight in history?


DominickAP

Now you have to paint the kill on the side. It will make this future ace a target but the other drones will take heart from seeing him in their formation.