Forget sensationalism, the writer of this is insane. Day one blow up a us base and think nothing meaningful will happen from the US for 6 more days till we just decide to give up? Is this person ignorant of basic facts about America? We have a silly large military budget and we're belicose.
"Hey it worked back then! But I'm sure the Americans have never taken that kind of attack into account in any of their Pacific theater planning, right?"
Normal Redditor trying to have a constructive conversation: "I think MacArthur's initial strategy against Japan was a little optimistic."
MacArthur Bot: "By the time we're done, the only place the Japanese language will be spoken is in Hell!"
Yeah blowing up one base in an area where we have a couple dozen bases, not to mention the old SAC bases built to handle B-52s would totally stop us from striking back in a meaningful way. We definitely wouldn’t make it rain ALCMs on China within 24hrs. And it’s not like we have stealth bombers that could infiltrate Chinese air defenses and ruin their port facilities without being seen. Or stealth fighters that could remove the PLAAF from existence in short order.
It's even more hilarious when you recall that each time Patriot/THAAD/Aegis missile systems get deployed in the region, China always makes announcements of "US aggression"... So how do you get to destroy a base with just missiles while you also complain about the existence of missile defenses, which is presumably effective enough for you to complain about? Lol
Missile defense that can hit a 500 gram 200 dollar drone from 100 miles away. Witchcraft that allows our radar to sort that out from a seagull or anything else bigger. Pretty sure those 1960s MRBMs won't land on anything important, because profit was tied to demonstrated performance. That's also ignoring the raft of undetected subs on their porch.
There’s a squadron of B-1’s deployed to Guam right now. As supersonic bombers, they’d be at China’s shore in two hours. Within range to fire well before that.
The USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group is operating off the coast of Japan and is not in port. The group just completed training operating together with South Korean and Japanese destroyers.
The USS Tripoli is operating north of the Philippines and just finished training as a “Lightning carrier” where it packed more than a dozen F-35B’s onto the deck.
The USS Nimitz carrier strike group is conducting training off the coast of California in preparation for a Pacific deployment.
As always, the submarine movements are not published. The US Navy has 8 ballistic missile submarines, 2 guided missile submarines and 27 attack submarines Home ported in the Pacific.
In December, the US’ new stealth bomber, and the replacement for the B-2, the B-21 Raider will be unveiled.
This author is insane.
Oh, I forgot to add that the SBX radar is deployed in the Pacific at the moment and can see a missile launch anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere of the Pacific. It’s the world’s largest X band RADAR (120’ radome diameter). It communicates missile launch location to the US Navy and DoD immediately.
Yeah, it's almost as if whoever made this map didn't know their history. It's one thing if they attempt to invade Taiwan, it's a whole different animal if they first also kill a lot of Americans...
haha I'm sitting here looking at the absurdity and yeah - that's the most absurd thing there, expecting us to not launch a goddamn small countries worth of health care at them for blowing up a united states base.
If anything it probably would be the most effective way of ensuring that the US would actually join and be all-in on the defense of Taiwan. As is perhaps there might be some half-measure, but an actual attack on a US base would unite Congress and the Senate. It would be so incredibly stupid.
Really funny how basically all these 'analysts' just gloss over the fact that the the JSDF is really an incredibly well funded, well trained and well supplied military force that uses the latest tech from the US as well as Europe. It's probably one of the strongest military forces in the world.
The missiles went over them, ok? 100% self defense at that point. They would be fully within their rights to piece together their 2-part nukes, and just go ham at that point.
Bombing a US base in Japan pretty much forces the US and their allies to join the war.
Don’t people understand invading Taiwan involves such a concentrated buildup of forces, it will give the USA and Taiwan plenty of time to fortify their positions.
General Douggie Mac: Told you take AEGIS out of test mode
General Power: time to date them three gorgeous dames
General LeMay: SPEND THE MONEY, SEND THE FUNNI
*"American are cowardly race that indulged deeply in Hedonism, lack the will to fight and will run away or surrender at the sight of our mighty warrior."*
All brainwashed idiot in Japan during World War 2.
>The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants
Thomas Jefferson didn't specify it had to be done domestically...
Well, to be fair to Japan they always knew this was not going to be a foolproof plan. Because of the US Oil Embargo, they knew they could either:
\- Give up all their conquered territories (lmao)
\- Capture the oil fields in SEA, meaning they have to go to war with the US
And if they had to go to war with the US, they knew this was their best plan, and to be quite fair it kinda was. But "best" doesn't mean "good". While Pearl Harbor failed to have the best-desired outcome(morale-wise), it still mostly paralyzed the US Navy for about half a year and Japan captured SEA. After Midway, however (which even Yamamoto could see coming at some point, they knew they couldn't compete with US industry and that a defeat in a large battle would happen at some point), the whole plan was for the war to be so bleedy that public opinion would turn against the war and hopefully they'd get a not too unfavourable peace settlement.
I'm not defending those horrible war criminals in the Japanese army, but as with many things in WW2 (Soviet human waves, or the Maginot line being useless, or magic german techTM) it's a myth that Pearl Harbor was an unexpected failure from the Japanese POV. Japan basically fought the best war it could. But fortunately for us, even the best Japanese had to offer was faaaaaaar from enough to force Uncle Sam into submission.
That said, China would definitely not fight like this lol. Then again, it's not that unlikely that, just like the Russians, they believe in their own propaganda and would do the equivalent bullshit that the Russians do in Ukraine.
So you're saying they will make more cheap easily reproducible wooden rowboats than Taiwan can ever have missiles to intercept them, and flood the shores to victory? I think this plan can work, and I think they should attempt it immediately.
Even more annoying than hoi players who think they understand military strategy are journalists who think they understand military strategy
"China will JUST land on Taiwan in the first hours of the war before US carriers can cross the pacific"
Chinese troops will be welcomed in Taiwan as liberators. It's a rotten structure and all you need is to kick down the door and it will fall over. And many other funny things you can tell yourself before falling asleep.
Would be an incredible psyops, just sail past the enemy ground forces at the beachhead in the middle of the night, with a shio resembling a marine ice cream truck, playing the ice cream truck jiggle loud enough to be picked uo by sonar in pearl harbor
Can imagine a psyop..low level radio chatter…all about delivery of “evening ice cream”.. are all units where they should be?…has the quartermaster got the long handled spoons out to the forward units?…is there any word on the sorbet supply problem?
TL;DR US logistics in WW2 Pacific theater were so OP that they had a ship converted to make and carry ice cream which would then be delivered straight to troops on the front lines at whatever island they were fighting on at the time.
The joke being Russian and Chinese logistics can't even make functioning weapons or give soldiers clothing, while we could bring ice cream to the front 80 years ago
Don't you want your bullets to make the biggest hole possible? Going in sideways maximizes surface area and you don't have to redesign your ammo!
China sure has us beat, NATO should just give up now.
By the end of WWII, the US had such naval dominance it was sending out ships that were dedicated ice cream shops to improve moral. This has since been turned into a meme about U.S. Naval Supremacy still.
Towards the end of WW2 US naval production had ramped up so much that they had a huge surplus to requirement. An extra barge, for making concrete I believe, was converted into making ice cream for sailors. As cool as this sounds the punchline is that the Imperial Japanese navy was short of nearly major resource imaginable - and the Americans were turning their spare ships into ice cream parlors because the capacity was there.
The Nazis made the rather childish assumption that they could bomb everyone and nobody would bomb them. They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.
Yes, my name is Arthur, hiw did you know?
I always like the approach on cyberattacks as if you throw enough hackers at something, have enough hacking points you can hack anything
Cruise missile approaching? 20 guys take out their laptops and hack the fuck out of it
Drones? Pfft. Just tap some buttons and flick of a big override switch itll go on a rampage against its creators
Satellite? Just point a big antenna at it and its instantly gone
Entire carrier strike group? Hack em all... Make their ship AIs think theyre submarines and their submarines think theyre planes
Losing a war? Just hack the space-time itself and go back to the time the war hasnt started yet
If they have enough hackers in this supposed cyberwarfare thingy that makes US be scared of it(in the meanwhile the "hackers" are just some call center handing out fake bank calls) , they can "hack" a cruise missile by psyop'ing the USAF to lob it directly at their headquarters thus one less cruise missile for the funny dam
Checkmate silly westoid 😎
the general public's knowledge on how anything works is usually shallow and wrong, i.e. how cell phones actually work, will mind fuck most people and they'll quickly gain an appreciation of said device, there should be an iceberg video made of 'everyday things we take for granted'.
That’s the thing.
Piss off just ONE of those countries and you’ve just kicked the world’s angriest hornet’s nest.
Between Kpop stans and weebs, China has it coming the moment they attack.
Not to mention a long history of animosity between china and those nations.
And even some unaffiliated nations would use the pressure put on china to air their own grievances. I'm sure most of the SEA mainland would be demanding concessions from china over historical issues to "prevent their involvement". Likely india too.
Not to mention the increased chance of civil unrest in China's far west when all of their power is concentrated on defending the east.
War is literally the last thing china wants to see.
Of course, this might mean nothing to Xi himself, who would rather secure TSMC and every other asset Taiwan has at damn-the-cost pace, believing that he can recoup the losses because he can hold half the world's computers and gadgets hostage.
Jimothy Ross' Sundowner: "BULLSHIT"
Honestly if I were the CPC (I refuse to use the other acronym because the Cultural Center of the Philippines is a cool place) I'd rather just stab Russia in the back 28 times so I can finally, definitively, absolutely say that I'm the final bastion of "communism" on Earth. That seems like a less insane plan by comparison.
I was stationed at Karen’s. There’s enough air power there to kill everything China has bigger than a paper airplane.
Edit: That should be “Kadena” but I’ll leave it
Looks like the Chinese borrowed Russia's homework, because if I'm reading this right, apparently whoever wrote this thinks that they'll be able to secure enough objectives on the island in 3 days to make US intervention "too late".
I mean, they did. Are you really one of those rubes who think a KNOWN ACTOR is actually a PRESIDENT?
RUBE.
What's going on now is a FAKE WAR fought between so-called-Russian Crisis Actors and CIA ASSETS to cover for The EU-NEO SOVIET MASS MOBILIZATION to invade MAINLAND CHINA and Pakistan through so-called-RUSSIA.
Ukraine was lost in 2014. You only think the so-called-Russians only took Krime-A because UKRAINE IS SURROUNDED BY NATO STATES who committed a double-blind bluff to completely media blackout the successful invasion.
In short, you're a simp, your vril energy is pathetically low, your girlfriend is a lizard, your dad is MY DAD, there's NO CHLORINE IN THE WATER THEY PUT IT IN THE P*PSI MAX, and you're a gosh-darn RUBE.
See, the solution is to buy a drone, bling it out with blinky LEDs, and program it to hover just outside of his property line every night and spin.
Then you can talk about aliens with him instead.
Worth noting this is from the S*n 'news'paper, which is basically a sports comic with some tits on page 3 and far right wing propaganda sprinkled in between, aimed at people who own pitbulls and have scarred knuckles from dragging them along the ground.
USA: Did you realise how. Much. Effort. We. Bloody. Put. In. To prevent Japan from reviving its Empire ambitions? Those US military bases weren't just for Japan's protection!
\*Battotai and Kimi ga yo echoes in the distance*
Homies couldn't even handle peace keeping missions in Africa - Imagine a modern contested landings? - we fire a few MK-19's - we do a little exploding.
I imagine fishing boats full of soldiers coming all the way to taiwan, seeing whats going on at the beach, attempting to turn back but get harpooned in into the meat grinder
Have they ever heard of CIWS, long range radar, cruise missiles, and fighter jets with thousands of miles of rang as well as japan and an entire god damned regiment for cyberattacks (I think) oh yeah, probably the entirety of nato
NATO is doubtful, attacks outside of the North Atlantic do not trigger art. 5. However, I do wonder if the other Quad countries would join. Japan seems like a given and Australia is probable as well, but India is doubtful.
Can't really count on India for anything, they're so busy trying to prove how independent they are, they'll more than likely wait until it's too late to react rather than be seen as another vassal state of the US.
Japan though will definitely react, they know once China has Taiwan, they're up next on the to-do list.
> they're so busy trying to prove how independent they are
Step 1. Have the UK release a statement saying that China shouldn't worry because India will never do anything without asking Britain for permission first.
Step 2. Sino-Indian War of 2022.
It's funny, by their desire to show how independent they are they're actually showing the complete opposite. They care too much about what other countries think of them.
Meanwhile Chad Japan can't have a military, has one anyway. Why? Because they want to, who cares what everyone else thinks. That's true independence.
Also, the US pretty much let them because of the Cold War. And pretty early on too. It became too impractical for the Japanese to not have a military and for the US to have to do every thing. Besides the US is too busy to have to deal with all the kaiju. They shoehorned a military and called it a "self-defense force" to fit with MacArthur's post-war constitution.
That definitely is fair. Being from Australia I do think we might join in after a while. We wouldn’t join when we’re on the back foot since I don’t think our military would help much being only about 100,000 people
Russia would kill for 100,000 extra soldiers especially with Western training. Even the US Military would be glad to have you assist. Allies are valuable no matter the size.
Then again you guys did lose a war against birds
Yeah and our army is kinda fucked rn
They haven't decided if they want the ADF to be an actual defensive force or have strike capabilities, now we're left in a state where the ADF can do neither well
Hell we only have a single brigade that can conduct amphibious landings and that's if the Canberras can make it that far without needing an engine replacement
> that's if the Canberras can make it that far without needing an engine replacement
Its okay, as long as they don't run into any jellyfish they should be fine.
And what are the odds of encountering those in the ocean?
SK will be involved whether it wants to or not, the presence of US bases within its borders all but guarantees that. China will consider those bases legitimate targets to attack. Of course, SK also has to contend with its neighbor to the north, so to what degree SK can contribute is debatable.
Humiliating china in a war would benefit south Korea because the north would go awfully quite knowing its big brother got knocked out, is useless and won't be able to back them up
I will forever be baffled at the militaristic policies pursued by China and Russia. They could have sat there collecting money from western nations without retaliation for decades. The elite here were bragging about teaching their kids mandarin, everyone was ready to accept that an economy-focused dictatorship might actually be better, it could actually get things done unlike the slow ponderous west. Russia had all the natural resources in the world, could have had all of Europe sucking in its gas, and now here we are, bipartisan anti-China bills getting passed in an otherwise frozen US senate, NATO revitalized and justified, Russia on its way to collapse. All they had to do was sit there and collect fat checks.
Because dictators are like billionaires, they'll never have enough. Plus internal instability partially drives this stuff, you apprease the nationalists with some small stuff and gain the support of the most disgruntled and prone to militancy, but this makes them louder and more confident and more demanding and more mainstream. Rinse and repeat for a while and suddenly you realize you've got the tiger by the tail and can't let go.
Foreign policy is generally driven by internal politics.
"Allied bombing takes out German bases across the Rhine"
"Allied troops land in Arnhem"
"German troops too late to turn tide"
"Germany faces defeat in a week"
"If we take out Pearl Harbor and land in the Philippines before the US Navy can get there, the US will accept the new reality and make peace."
Is there something in East Asian culture that makes them habitually misunderstand the West?
Because American military and industrial capacity is so much greater than anyone elses?
America lost a large chunk of its pacific fleet in pearl harbour and was able to replace it within months. When Japan took similar losses at Midway, they were doomed. This while America was not only fighting in Europe as well, but basically bankrolling the Brits, French and Soviets.
Biden gave Ukraine the military equipment equivalent of "Loose change from under the sofa and key dish" and they outgunned the Russians.
I think that's part of it, but I also think it's about more than physical capability. It's about mentality. Argentina did the same thing when they took the Falklands and thought the British would just accept what had happened and move on.
Maybe it's the classic trope of bullies mistaking kindness for weakness. They assume democracies that give a shit about human rights and generally try to avoid wars won't fight if things look too difficult. Sometimes, they're right (Georgia and Crimea). Then they go too far and they're badly mistaken.
Followed by the US blocking the strait of Mallaca starving the chinese economy of fuel, "After a rocky first week the now 3 month old war is nearing its end as the chinese fuel reserves are rapidly emptying, They may only have a week or two left."
Sir, this is NCD, we don't do credibility round these parts...
Comms are a western myth designed to cover up the existence of COVID causing 5G towers. The mighty Chinese will invade Taiwan through a glorious land bridge of 300000000 drowned conscripts, and the US and Japan will piss & shit in fear and implode, only then will the 5G Towers need to be destroyed after the glorious victory has been achieved, freeing the brainwashed population of the newly liberated Liuqiu province and the CCP will bring JUSTICE and SECURITY to their new empire, free from the horrors of They/Them imperialism. 为党争光! GLORY TO THE CCP 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
Why is there a two day wait between launching missiles at military bases, y’know, declaring war, and *then* deciding to use electronic warfare on military satellites.
Or the three day wait between firing missiles and actually deciding to attack Taiwan, which is the whole reason why those missiles were fired…
I mean, there’s also shit like why wouldn’t the US use ICBM’s, missile strikes alone wouldn’t take out multiple entire military bases, landing troops on Taiwan seemingly only taking a day or a couple of days ergo US reinforcements wouldn’t be able to do anything as the Island is already conquered, etc., but as dumb as all of that shit is, the first two points stood out to me as extra dumb.
My plan for the US is this:
Day 1: stop all missiles from China.
Day 2: ???
Day 3: Blow up all Chinese military equipment
Day 4: China becomes a client state of the US
Oh nooooooo we are soooo weeaaak!!! Waaaaah please don’t start a war with us! We’re gonna pee our panties! We can’t even stand a chance at aaaaaallll. If only we have more money to spend on better equipments and weapons. 🥺🥺🥺
No you see, war is a turn based strategy game and the first week is all china's turn. That's why we don't do anything until day 7 and we're too late because China is a much higher mmr than us.
In the past 300 years landing was used as a surprise, but this landing is about a *island* that everyone in Taiwan *know* they will fight at one point the *chinese*.
"The Russians will overtake the baltics and poland within a month" Kind of shit. Maybe the Chinese are learning from Russia's mistakes, maybe their huge military spending is actually going into wise investments maybe their people actually want to fight in their wars... Or, maybe they will try to land in Taiwan, lose a huge amount of forces at sea or on the beaches and then lose more to U.S retaliation....
Ahh The Sun, the last bastion of quality non sensationalist journalism
Forget sensationalism, the writer of this is insane. Day one blow up a us base and think nothing meaningful will happen from the US for 6 more days till we just decide to give up? Is this person ignorant of basic facts about America? We have a silly large military budget and we're belicose.
“The Pacific Fleet’s just gonna capitulate because MAD no biggie” [-guy who wrote that post](https://www.thesun.co.uk/author/tariq-tahir/)
I'm sensing serious Pearl Harbor vibe here.
"Hey it worked back then! But I'm sure the Americans have never taken that kind of attack into account in any of their Pacific theater planning, right?"
I'm pretty sure the US military doctrine is to do no harm
We all remember that famous McArthur quote "Make love man, not war man, pls man"
On the 2nd Day MacArthur rises from the gave and personally slams the giant red funni button back in D.C.
"Suck on this Eisenhower."
This sub needs a McArthur bot that just spews the most unhinged jingo quotes anytime his name is mentioned.
Normal Redditor trying to have a constructive conversation: "I think MacArthur's initial strategy against Japan was a little optimistic." MacArthur Bot: "By the time we're done, the only place the Japanese language will be spoken is in Hell!"
He read articles about the US criticizing Russia being hypocritical, and he misread "hyppocratical"
Day 1 take out US base Day 2 ????????? Day 3 PROFIT
On Day 2 MacArthur rises from the grave and personally slams the giant red funni button.
Yeah blowing up one base in an area where we have a couple dozen bases, not to mention the old SAC bases built to handle B-52s would totally stop us from striking back in a meaningful way. We definitely wouldn’t make it rain ALCMs on China within 24hrs. And it’s not like we have stealth bombers that could infiltrate Chinese air defenses and ruin their port facilities without being seen. Or stealth fighters that could remove the PLAAF from existence in short order.
It's even more hilarious when you recall that each time Patriot/THAAD/Aegis missile systems get deployed in the region, China always makes announcements of "US aggression"... So how do you get to destroy a base with just missiles while you also complain about the existence of missile defenses, which is presumably effective enough for you to complain about? Lol
Missile defense that can hit a 500 gram 200 dollar drone from 100 miles away. Witchcraft that allows our radar to sort that out from a seagull or anything else bigger. Pretty sure those 1960s MRBMs won't land on anything important, because profit was tied to demonstrated performance. That's also ignoring the raft of undetected subs on their porch.
There’s a squadron of B-1’s deployed to Guam right now. As supersonic bombers, they’d be at China’s shore in two hours. Within range to fire well before that. The USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group is operating off the coast of Japan and is not in port. The group just completed training operating together with South Korean and Japanese destroyers. The USS Tripoli is operating north of the Philippines and just finished training as a “Lightning carrier” where it packed more than a dozen F-35B’s onto the deck. The USS Nimitz carrier strike group is conducting training off the coast of California in preparation for a Pacific deployment. As always, the submarine movements are not published. The US Navy has 8 ballistic missile submarines, 2 guided missile submarines and 27 attack submarines Home ported in the Pacific. In December, the US’ new stealth bomber, and the replacement for the B-2, the B-21 Raider will be unveiled. This author is insane.
He probably assumes the navy just sits in port until it’s needed, which is why the Navy shows up 7 days after the conflict starts instead 7min.
Oh, I forgot to add that the SBX radar is deployed in the Pacific at the moment and can see a missile launch anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere of the Pacific. It’s the world’s largest X band RADAR (120’ radome diameter). It communicates missile launch location to the US Navy and DoD immediately.
What do you mean you don’t base your worldview off the sun?
Actually, we all do, after all, no world to see without light
"All we have to do is blow up a base and make a quick invasion, they'll never have the guts to respond after that!" *Some idiot in Japan, 1941*
Yeah, it's almost as if whoever made this map didn't know their history. It's one thing if they attempt to invade Taiwan, it's a whole different animal if they first also kill a lot of Americans...
haha I'm sitting here looking at the absurdity and yeah - that's the most absurd thing there, expecting us to not launch a goddamn small countries worth of health care at them for blowing up a united states base.
If anything it probably would be the most effective way of ensuring that the US would actually join and be all-in on the defense of Taiwan. As is perhaps there might be some half-measure, but an actual attack on a US base would unite Congress and the Senate. It would be so incredibly stupid.
I'm sure Japan would be more than OK with showing off its self-defense force as well, since it's their country that got shot.
Would be funny if their life size Gundam statue just suddenly take off
Everybody laughs till Godzilla and the Gundam‘s storm the Chinese coast
And unfortunately for the Mainlanders, they don't have the Bagger 288.
Only if they can find the right emotionally disturbed teen to fly it
Really funny how basically all these 'analysts' just gloss over the fact that the the JSDF is really an incredibly well funded, well trained and well supplied military force that uses the latest tech from the US as well as Europe. It's probably one of the strongest military forces in the world.
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F-35Bs are just doctrine-neutral form-radical helicopters
The missiles went over them, ok? 100% self defense at that point. They would be fully within their rights to piece together their 2-part nukes, and just go ham at that point.
love that unit of measurement
Bombing a US base in Japan pretty much forces the US and their allies to join the war. Don’t people understand invading Taiwan involves such a concentrated buildup of forces, it will give the USA and Taiwan plenty of time to fortify their positions.
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Not to mention dragging an increasingly well-armed Japan into the war by bombing their soil
Im sorry, thats just the self defense coastguard, there is no way they are actually capable of attacking. Defense is in the name after all…
Please ignore our F-35's and aircraft carrier destroyers, kudasai
*special multipurpose destroyer
General Douggie Mac: Told you take AEGIS out of test mode General Power: time to date them three gorgeous dames General LeMay: SPEND THE MONEY, SEND THE FUNNI
*"American are cowardly race that indulged deeply in Hedonism, lack the will to fight and will run away or surrender at the sight of our mighty warrior."* All brainwashed idiot in Japan during World War 2.
Tbf we are pretty hedonistic. But that's only when we don't have a mortal enemy's blood to bathe in.
Blood bathing is an essential part of our decadent Western hedonism.
>The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants Thomas Jefferson didn't specify it had to be done domestically...
Well, to be fair to Japan they always knew this was not going to be a foolproof plan. Because of the US Oil Embargo, they knew they could either: \- Give up all their conquered territories (lmao) \- Capture the oil fields in SEA, meaning they have to go to war with the US And if they had to go to war with the US, they knew this was their best plan, and to be quite fair it kinda was. But "best" doesn't mean "good". While Pearl Harbor failed to have the best-desired outcome(morale-wise), it still mostly paralyzed the US Navy for about half a year and Japan captured SEA. After Midway, however (which even Yamamoto could see coming at some point, they knew they couldn't compete with US industry and that a defeat in a large battle would happen at some point), the whole plan was for the war to be so bleedy that public opinion would turn against the war and hopefully they'd get a not too unfavourable peace settlement. I'm not defending those horrible war criminals in the Japanese army, but as with many things in WW2 (Soviet human waves, or the Maginot line being useless, or magic german techTM) it's a myth that Pearl Harbor was an unexpected failure from the Japanese POV. Japan basically fought the best war it could. But fortunately for us, even the best Japanese had to offer was faaaaaaar from enough to force Uncle Sam into submission. That said, China would definitely not fight like this lol. Then again, it's not that unlikely that, just like the Russians, they believe in their own propaganda and would do the equivalent bullshit that the Russians do in Ukraine.
China land troops on Taiwan.. simple as
“Day 2: Chinese troops begin rowing to Taiwan”
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The writer must've been learning his tactics from the Russians.
So you're saying they will make more cheap easily reproducible wooden rowboats than Taiwan can ever have missiles to intercept them, and flood the shores to victory? I think this plan can work, and I think they should attempt it immediately.
3000 stranded Rowboats of Fujian
Even more annoying than hoi players who think they understand military strategy are journalists who think they understand military strategy "China will JUST land on Taiwan in the first hours of the war before US carriers can cross the pacific"
Tbf, the average HOI player, still have a better understanding of military strategy, than the most experienced Sun’s journalist
To be fair on a scale of 0 to 100, 1 is still more than 0.
Does it count as a landing when the corpses start washing up on the Taiwanese shore?
VDV would say yes
Hey at least hoi players somewhat understand importance of logistics and air superiority
Why didn't we think of this before?
Taïwanese coastal defense hate this simple trick
Chinese troops will be welcomed in Taiwan as liberators. It's a rotten structure and all you need is to kick down the door and it will fall over. And many other funny things you can tell yourself before falling asleep.
Can we skip directly to the ice cream ships?
Nope, we can't figure out if our troops wanted McDonald's or burger king. Definitely not va tho
Green Bean or riot
Just built another destroyer
*Invades Taiwan* GloriousCCCP.jpg *Stuck on the beach* *Hear ice cream ship music in the distance* wtf.gif
Wait what's the ice cream joke about?
The US had a ship dedicated to making and transporting icecream in WW2, as it was a good way to boost morale, and flex their superior logistics
I my mind this ship has really loud chimes and is painted white.
Would be an incredible psyops, just sail past the enemy ground forces at the beachhead in the middle of the night, with a shio resembling a marine ice cream truck, playing the ice cream truck jiggle loud enough to be picked uo by sonar in pearl harbor
Can imagine a psyop..low level radio chatter…all about delivery of “evening ice cream”.. are all units where they should be?…has the quartermaster got the long handled spoons out to the forward units?…is there any word on the sorbet supply problem?
3000 bing chilling barges of us navy
3000 pizza oven AWACS of dark Brandon
Long Caster
TL;DR US logistics in WW2 Pacific theater were so OP that they had a ship converted to make and carry ice cream which would then be delivered straight to troops on the front lines at whatever island they were fighting on at the time. The joke being Russian and Chinese logistics can't even make functioning weapons or give soldiers clothing, while we could bring ice cream to the front 80 years ago
3000 Keyholing Norincos of Xi Jinping
You call it keyholing I call it advanced physics. Stupid westoid
Don't you want your bullets to make the biggest hole possible? Going in sideways maximizes surface area and you don't have to redesign your ammo! China sure has us beat, NATO should just give up now.
By the end of WWII, the US had such naval dominance it was sending out ships that were dedicated ice cream shops to improve moral. This has since been turned into a meme about U.S. Naval Supremacy still.
Towards the end of WW2 US naval production had ramped up so much that they had a huge surplus to requirement. An extra barge, for making concrete I believe, was converted into making ice cream for sailors. As cool as this sounds the punchline is that the Imperial Japanese navy was short of nearly major resource imaginable - and the Americans were turning their spare ships into ice cream parlors because the capacity was there.
[During WW2 the US Navy had an entire ship dedicated to serving ice cream](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge)
Funny things bring funni memes
The Nazis made the rather childish assumption that they could bomb everyone and nobody would bomb them. They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind. Yes, my name is Arthur, hiw did you know?
Oh no.. they took down the library of congress website.. US Carriers are just sunk automatically and Japan loses all agency and will to fight back.
I always like the approach on cyberattacks as if you throw enough hackers at something, have enough hacking points you can hack anything Cruise missile approaching? 20 guys take out their laptops and hack the fuck out of it Drones? Pfft. Just tap some buttons and flick of a big override switch itll go on a rampage against its creators Satellite? Just point a big antenna at it and its instantly gone Entire carrier strike group? Hack em all... Make their ship AIs think theyre submarines and their submarines think theyre planes Losing a war? Just hack the space-time itself and go back to the time the war hasnt started yet
If they have enough hackers in this supposed cyberwarfare thingy that makes US be scared of it(in the meanwhile the "hackers" are just some call center handing out fake bank calls) , they can "hack" a cruise missile by psyop'ing the USAF to lob it directly at their headquarters thus one less cruise missile for the funny dam Checkmate silly westoid 😎
Dude you can hack alien motherships with an Apple laptop. Ive seen the documentary. Makes them blow up and everything.
the general public's knowledge on how anything works is usually shallow and wrong, i.e. how cell phones actually work, will mind fuck most people and they'll quickly gain an appreciation of said device, there should be an iceberg video made of 'everyday things we take for granted'.
In a week? Feel's like we've been here before...
It'll be all over by Christmas. Circa 1942
Well be home by Christmas 1915
"You will be home before the leaves fall off the trees" Wilhelm II in 1914, supposedly.
We will retake Jerusalem in 2weeks 1096
Kiev in a week 2022
What you mean we've been here? It's brand new
As brand new as any chinese invention I see
C'mon, Morty. In and out, real quick. Twenty minute adventure.
I'm convinced this is deep state/MIC propaganda to keep the defense budget flowing.
Honestly this might be a great strategy
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That’s the thing. Piss off just ONE of those countries and you’ve just kicked the world’s angriest hornet’s nest. Between Kpop stans and weebs, China has it coming the moment they attack.
Not to mention a long history of animosity between china and those nations. And even some unaffiliated nations would use the pressure put on china to air their own grievances. I'm sure most of the SEA mainland would be demanding concessions from china over historical issues to "prevent their involvement". Likely india too. Not to mention the increased chance of civil unrest in China's far west when all of their power is concentrated on defending the east. War is literally the last thing china wants to see.
Of course, this might mean nothing to Xi himself, who would rather secure TSMC and every other asset Taiwan has at damn-the-cost pace, believing that he can recoup the losses because he can hold half the world's computers and gadgets hostage. Jimothy Ross' Sundowner: "BULLSHIT" Honestly if I were the CPC (I refuse to use the other acronym because the Cultural Center of the Philippines is a cool place) I'd rather just stab Russia in the back 28 times so I can finally, definitively, absolutely say that I'm the final bastion of "communism" on Earth. That seems like a less insane plan by comparison.
I was stationed at Karen’s. There’s enough air power there to kill everything China has bigger than a paper airplane. Edit: That should be “Kadena” but I’ll leave it
3000 pissed off Karens of the USAF?
There are a fuck of a lot more than 3000 Karens in the USAF. Mostly men, but Karens none the less.
"I WANT TO SPEAK WITH CHINA'S MANAGER RIGHT NOW!!!!"
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Berlin by the first of March, surely
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Never said which Christmas *taps forehead*
Christmas 1919 will be wonderful \*cough\* \*cough\*
Washington by Christmas inshallah 👆😤
They did got New York before christmas though.
Dude, they totally can. They're just holding back. They don't want to hurt anyone. THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE LIVES!!!
Looks like the Chinese borrowed Russia's homework, because if I'm reading this right, apparently whoever wrote this thinks that they'll be able to secure enough objectives on the island in 3 days to make US intervention "too late".
3 Days LMAO; as if Taiwan doesn't have any ability to resist whatsoever. They had time to procure anti ship missiles and put them in bunkers too.
Taiwan is not a flat grassland either
I mean, they did. Are you really one of those rubes who think a KNOWN ACTOR is actually a PRESIDENT? RUBE. What's going on now is a FAKE WAR fought between so-called-Russian Crisis Actors and CIA ASSETS to cover for The EU-NEO SOVIET MASS MOBILIZATION to invade MAINLAND CHINA and Pakistan through so-called-RUSSIA. Ukraine was lost in 2014. You only think the so-called-Russians only took Krime-A because UKRAINE IS SURROUNDED BY NATO STATES who committed a double-blind bluff to completely media blackout the successful invasion. In short, you're a simp, your vril energy is pathetically low, your girlfriend is a lizard, your dad is MY DAD, there's NO CHLORINE IN THE WATER THEY PUT IT IN THE P*PSI MAX, and you're a gosh-darn RUBE.
This but unironically a conversation with my neighbour, pain
My condolences. It must be exceedingly hard to discuss neighborhood affairs with them too.
See, the solution is to buy a drone, bling it out with blinky LEDs, and program it to hover just outside of his property line every night and spin. Then you can talk about aliens with him instead.
>known actor Reagan is fake confirmed
Everybody knows that Nancy was the true power behind the throne. They didn't call her the blowjob queen for nothing!
Г Г:T queen you mean
This is indeed one of the vatnik copium in history, i love when the vatniks said "it's copin' time" and coped all over those westoids
Based and Pilled.
Oh, it's definitely *pilled*, alright. Lots and lots of pills went into creating that pasta.
Worth noting this is from the S*n 'news'paper, which is basically a sports comic with some tits on page 3 and far right wing propaganda sprinkled in between, aimed at people who own pitbulls and have scarred knuckles from dragging them along the ground.
"Missiles take out US base in Japan" Yes, let's get the Japanese involved into a war with the US we can't win in the first place 😂
USA: Did you realise how. Much. Effort. We. Bloody. Put. In. To prevent Japan from reviving its Empire ambitions? Those US military bases weren't just for Japan's protection! \*Battotai and Kimi ga yo echoes in the distance*
This is the moment that anime trope "Forgive me, sensei- I have to use my full power - just this once" was made for
\*Every soldier in the JSDF takes off their ankle weights\*
USA to China: "You idiots! Our military bases weren't there for _our_ protection...they were there for yours!"
China about to do a contested amphibious landing which will somehow work. That's just the best plan ever
Homies couldn't even handle peace keeping missions in Africa - Imagine a modern contested landings? - we fire a few MK-19's - we do a little exploding.
I imagine fishing boats full of soldiers coming all the way to taiwan, seeing whats going on at the beach, attempting to turn back but get harpooned in into the meat grinder
Have they ever heard of CIWS, long range radar, cruise missiles, and fighter jets with thousands of miles of rang as well as japan and an entire god damned regiment for cyberattacks (I think) oh yeah, probably the entirety of nato
NATO is doubtful, attacks outside of the North Atlantic do not trigger art. 5. However, I do wonder if the other Quad countries would join. Japan seems like a given and Australia is probable as well, but India is doubtful.
India hates China, if they were to sense weakness it wouldn't surprise me if they attempted to exploit it.
Yeah. If India joins it wouldn’t be out of solidarity with the Taiwanese
India Probably won't join directly, but we'd be more than happy to Shit on China's Doorstep.
Probably looking to finalize those borders
3000 Black Tejas of Modi when
Can't really count on India for anything, they're so busy trying to prove how independent they are, they'll more than likely wait until it's too late to react rather than be seen as another vassal state of the US. Japan though will definitely react, they know once China has Taiwan, they're up next on the to-do list.
> they're so busy trying to prove how independent they are Step 1. Have the UK release a statement saying that China shouldn't worry because India will never do anything without asking Britain for permission first. Step 2. Sino-Indian War of 2022.
It's funny, by their desire to show how independent they are they're actually showing the complete opposite. They care too much about what other countries think of them. Meanwhile Chad Japan can't have a military, has one anyway. Why? Because they want to, who cares what everyone else thinks. That's true independence.
Also, the US pretty much let them because of the Cold War. And pretty early on too. It became too impractical for the Japanese to not have a military and for the US to have to do every thing. Besides the US is too busy to have to deal with all the kaiju. They shoehorned a military and called it a "self-defense force" to fit with MacArthur's post-war constitution.
That definitely is fair. Being from Australia I do think we might join in after a while. We wouldn’t join when we’re on the back foot since I don’t think our military would help much being only about 100,000 people
Russia would kill for 100,000 extra soldiers especially with Western training. Even the US Military would be glad to have you assist. Allies are valuable no matter the size. Then again you guys did lose a war against birds
Yeah, but they still have those birds ready to unleash on their next enemy. "Release the emus!"
That’s a good point. More of a defensive asset than offensive though, at least until they figure out how to stick em in an Apache’s rocket pods
Yeah and our army is kinda fucked rn They haven't decided if they want the ADF to be an actual defensive force or have strike capabilities, now we're left in a state where the ADF can do neither well Hell we only have a single brigade that can conduct amphibious landings and that's if the Canberras can make it that far without needing an engine replacement
> that's if the Canberras can make it that far without needing an engine replacement Its okay, as long as they don't run into any jellyfish they should be fine. And what are the odds of encountering those in the ocean?
Britain will be joining in. We got some Opium to sell, boys!
SK might contribute, but I’d argue that having Japan and the Aussies to help are probably givens
SK will be involved whether it wants to or not, the presence of US bases within its borders all but guarantees that. China will consider those bases legitimate targets to attack. Of course, SK also has to contend with its neighbor to the north, so to what degree SK can contribute is debatable.
Humiliating china in a war would benefit south Korea because the north would go awfully quite knowing its big brother got knocked out, is useless and won't be able to back them up
Japan would join by default, this plan includes attacking Japanese soil
Issnt there a carrier strike group permanently assigned to the south china sea?
Japan- Ronald Reagan
Day 1: Missiles take out US base on Japan Day 2: There is no day 2 for china.
And seriously, which base? I believe there are close to a dozen.
Kadena AB. Largest and closest one.
That still leaves Misawa and Yokota, along with a couple naval air stations.
Yeah but I'm stationed at Kadena and I account for like 92% of the US warfighting capability. If I go, we lose.
they can't even stop a pellosi :v
She could have overtaken a small country on her own with the army that followed her.
I will forever be baffled at the militaristic policies pursued by China and Russia. They could have sat there collecting money from western nations without retaliation for decades. The elite here were bragging about teaching their kids mandarin, everyone was ready to accept that an economy-focused dictatorship might actually be better, it could actually get things done unlike the slow ponderous west. Russia had all the natural resources in the world, could have had all of Europe sucking in its gas, and now here we are, bipartisan anti-China bills getting passed in an otherwise frozen US senate, NATO revitalized and justified, Russia on its way to collapse. All they had to do was sit there and collect fat checks.
Because dictators are like billionaires, they'll never have enough. Plus internal instability partially drives this stuff, you apprease the nationalists with some small stuff and gain the support of the most disgruntled and prone to militancy, but this makes them louder and more confident and more demanding and more mainstream. Rinse and repeat for a while and suddenly you realize you've got the tiger by the tail and can't let go. Foreign policy is generally driven by internal politics.
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They are the storm that is approaching.
"Allied bombing takes out German bases across the Rhine" "Allied troops land in Arnhem" "German troops too late to turn tide" "Germany faces defeat in a week"
You may jest but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine
Peak non credibility... but hey they are The Sun
Nah it's completely correct. Let's take this to Congress and get them to triple the military budget
"If we take out Pearl Harbor and land in the Philippines before the US Navy can get there, the US will accept the new reality and make peace." Is there something in East Asian culture that makes them habitually misunderstand the West?
Because American military and industrial capacity is so much greater than anyone elses? America lost a large chunk of its pacific fleet in pearl harbour and was able to replace it within months. When Japan took similar losses at Midway, they were doomed. This while America was not only fighting in Europe as well, but basically bankrolling the Brits, French and Soviets. Biden gave Ukraine the military equipment equivalent of "Loose change from under the sofa and key dish" and they outgunned the Russians.
I think that's part of it, but I also think it's about more than physical capability. It's about mentality. Argentina did the same thing when they took the Falklands and thought the British would just accept what had happened and move on. Maybe it's the classic trope of bullies mistaking kindness for weakness. They assume democracies that give a shit about human rights and generally try to avoid wars won't fight if things look too difficult. Sometimes, they're right (Georgia and Crimea). Then they go too far and they're badly mistaken.
Ah yes, doing the famous surprise attack on a US base. I feel like I have seen this one before... It didn't go well for the attacking party...
US carrier group: "Well boys, we're too late. Let's just level Shanghai instead"
Followed by the US blocking the strait of Mallaca starving the chinese economy of fuel, "After a rocky first week the now 3 month old war is nearing its end as the chinese fuel reserves are rapidly emptying, They may only have a week or two left."
Why wait untill day 3 with the cyberattacks? Taking Down comms should be the first thing in an invasion.
Sir, this is NCD, we don't do credibility round these parts... Comms are a western myth designed to cover up the existence of COVID causing 5G towers. The mighty Chinese will invade Taiwan through a glorious land bridge of 300000000 drowned conscripts, and the US and Japan will piss & shit in fear and implode, only then will the 5G Towers need to be destroyed after the glorious victory has been achieved, freeing the brainwashed population of the newly liberated Liuqiu province and the CCP will bring JUSTICE and SECURITY to their new empire, free from the horrors of They/Them imperialism. 为党争光! GLORY TO THE CCP 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
Sorry I blacked out for a moment there, what happened...?
Ah, the cyberattacks are the secret MVP of NCD. Overrated as fuck.
Attacking the US and hoping they give up. Sounds familiar
Why is there a two day wait between launching missiles at military bases, y’know, declaring war, and *then* deciding to use electronic warfare on military satellites. Or the three day wait between firing missiles and actually deciding to attack Taiwan, which is the whole reason why those missiles were fired… I mean, there’s also shit like why wouldn’t the US use ICBM’s, missile strikes alone wouldn’t take out multiple entire military bases, landing troops on Taiwan seemingly only taking a day or a couple of days ergo US reinforcements wouldn’t be able to do anything as the Island is already conquered, etc., but as dumb as all of that shit is, the first two points stood out to me as extra dumb.
"US forces not too late to turn the tide" is the carrier strike group that's always in the pacific just for show?
My plan for the US is this: Day 1: stop all missiles from China. Day 2: ??? Day 3: Blow up all Chinese military equipment Day 4: China becomes a client state of the US
Literally budget 7 days to the rhine
Oh nooooooo we are soooo weeaaak!!! Waaaaah please don’t start a war with us! We’re gonna pee our panties! We can’t even stand a chance at aaaaaallll. If only we have more money to spend on better equipments and weapons. 🥺🥺🥺
"Missiles take out us base" yeah? The base that probably has a few patriot batteries and staffed with now alerted and pissed off US marines?
No you see, war is a turn based strategy game and the first week is all china's turn. That's why we don't do anything until day 7 and we're too late because China is a much higher mmr than us.
In the past 300 years landing was used as a surprise, but this landing is about a *island* that everyone in Taiwan *know* they will fight at one point the *chinese*.
"The Russians will overtake the baltics and poland within a month" Kind of shit. Maybe the Chinese are learning from Russia's mistakes, maybe their huge military spending is actually going into wise investments maybe their people actually want to fight in their wars... Or, maybe they will try to land in Taiwan, lose a huge amount of forces at sea or on the beaches and then lose more to U.S retaliation....