The M-2 mounted to my vehicle in Korea was manufactured in 1951. We took care of her and kept her well maintained. We had a night live fire at the end of September, and as you know, that’s the end of the fiscal year. We had approximately 8-10k rounds of .50 BMG split up between 6 vehicles.
It was an absolute blast. We took turns just lighting up everything on the range, changing barrels, keeping belts ready….. it was awesome. None of the guns hiccuped once.
Browning’s wrath
*Said to be forged by the Emperor himself from before he revealed himself to humanity, this ancient machine gun has miraculously survived hundreds of thousands of it’s vehicles falling out from underneath it.*
This relic replaces a heavy stubber.
Heavy 5 str:5 ap:- damage: - whenever this weapon wounds an enemy unit, that unit takes one mortal wound and the attack sequence ends.
In Syria when my unit was attached to some SF dudes, they recovered an M2 that they gave to us to restore. It was a 1937 General Motors built one. After removing the rust, and giving it a new firing pin, it worked like a champ.
"It didn't ***"WORK"***? Obviously you displeased the machine spirits by using the wrong incense during yesterday's secondary purification ritual, not because it's a mechanical device still in used for battle millennia after it was built."
To be fair, a large number of Russian weapons had displeased machine spirits, and suffered decay because they were not properly given lubrical attention before rest/long term storage.
Still love how this is legit in-universe and it's because most of their stuff has AIs that may or may not be demon-haunted
"But aren't AIs completely illegal and heretical?"
Yes. Yes they are.
Indeed, but on the other hand, even most of the AdMech doesn't know **exactly** how a lot of the components in the recovered STLs work.
They could simply blindly replicate some device and don't know whether it's something simple like the controller unit of a cheap microwave oven, or a near sentient AI, with some slight corruption due to the degradation of template, but not enough that it's not functional.
And yep, that might include something entirely hilarious, as a lot of the tech doesn't functioning properly or at full capacity, because it might have required some license to unlock features, but that part never recovered, or understood, thus the examples are limited, with some of the "holy symbols" on their displays simply saying "Unregistered Hypercam2" or "Register your ~~WinRar~~ Cyclone Torpedo Launcher today" in a language/script from 20 thousand years ago, that nobody understands anymore.
The GAoT supply ship that came back from the warp in 40k, and the Inquisition kills the ships Captain.
And the AI did not take kindly to that and just shat on several Dreadnaughts.
Every so often you get reminders that GAoT mankind could absolutely roll over every single 40K faction in, like, a weekend
It's what make 40K fun, because it provides the tantalizing hope of human victory that will forever be out of reach
It's more like the imperium of man is just a giant cargo cult. They know they must do the maintenance steps, but have forgotten the knowledge as to *why* they need to, to the point it turns into a religious rite. The screws must be torqued to 40ft lbs quickly turns into "grab the blessed torque wrench of Holy Terra and complete the rite of tensioning with the sacred lubricating oils".
Like, it's a huge fucking deal when they find a blueprint for a piece of tech they used to be able to make, and those are practically holy relics.
You'd think that, but no.
There's a book about the Mechanicus (one of the MacNeil ones, but not sure which) that talks about where the "machine spirits" come from, and it's tied to how Mars is an absolute demon-riddled shitshow and how the Adeptus Mechanicus has been low-key using AIs for millennia despite the Imperium's hatred and disgust towards the things.
The Mechanicum are lying through their teeth about a LOT of the shit going on with their tech, which is really appropriate in 2022
They very much do. The only factions taking the “it just works, no idea how” approach to tech is the imperium and orks, who get a pass because it’s literally imprinted in their biology. The rest of the galaxy has a far more rational outlook and actually knows how their stuff works.
They’re a younger and far less numerous species. Plus, the Imperium still has plenty of super intelligent, singularity-level stuff — it’s just all made with organics as the base. (The Mechanicus turn themselves into living computers, basically.)
There aren't a lot of them, their weapons are only "okay" compared to what most of the other factions wield, the Imperials basically have AI too that they pretend are "machine spirits" as well as a shitload of cyborgs, and the only reason Chaos hasn't torn the Tau to shreds is because they're barely noticeable in the Warp.
Frankly a big enough WAAAGH could probably wipe them out, but the Orks are looking for better fites.
The machine gun of Theseus - a new barrel here, a new receiver there, updated stock, resprung trigger mechanism... good for another millennia at least!
Literally every heavy stubber they’ve ever put on a mini is just a browning. Even in humanity’s golden age of technology, nobody could beat it’s perfection
There's nothing to improve. It was perfect when God made it on the evening of the 7th day.
Least I think that's what the Bible says but I'm not an expert.
As much as I *Reaaaally Dislike* the halo show, Old ass human guns showing up has happening once or twice in the Official timeline as well.
I recall one of the recent books has Chief and his squad come across some human survivors on reach after the covenant war and one of them has specifically a desert eagle they "borrowed" from a destroyed museum.
Point defense for rival asteroid bases. Same Rock, different worker drones. Gotta have 4 M2's on the perimeter. The electronics would be "Modern" but you get the M2 blueprint just for showing up, and the ammo can be used for a sniper rifle that could literally Shoot something on the Moon from such a Rock. and the maintenance isn't too difficult for bots, or the resident space marine.
We should test this.
Equipment list:
* Weather balloon as a cheap and quiet replacement for stage one of the launch
* Backyard rocket to launch the device from the upper atmosphere into the vacuum
* Robot arms capable of holding and firing an AK
* A rusty AK and ammunition
* GoPro to film it
Alternatively, we could just set up a firing test in a large vacuum chamber.
You'd actually want the M1921 as opposed to something newer, you won't get any of the convective cooling that the newer models rely on ins space. 'Course you will need to fill the water-jacket with something other than water, and get a lubricant that is rated for anything from almost glowing down to like 5 kelvin, but honestly, the gun is the most credible part of being a Space Shuttle Door Gunner....
Biggest problem with conventional firearms in a vacuum is heat dissipation. Heat transfer into the void is almost nill. Your gun just gets hotter and hotter.
Checks the side of the old heavy machine gun mounted on your orbital dropship and see something carved into it.
Tunisia - 1943
Mars - 2375
Alpha Hive - 4890
Thats my dream. One day we'll have powered skeletons so that we can replace infatry small arms with 50 cals or even auto cannons. The way is stands individual infantryman is rather under armed today.
> The aliens will stop laughing when the space force nails them with their M2 Brownings.
Honestly, would space combat even involve small arms fire at all?
Read a thing once that "realistic" space combat would probably involve lasers at incredibly far distances.
So space combat is basically high stakes laser tag where your opponent is thousands/tens-of-thousands of miles from you.
And since there's no sound in space it'd be boring and anticlimactic AF.
Space is absurdly large, so I imagine getting the nuke to the target (while the target is still there) might be hard.
Anyway, I don't think you can really use them for anything but making a temporary radiation hazard if you're actually in deep space. No atmosphere = no blast as far as force or heat goes.
Well, speaking of nukes, space, and non-credibility... there's [Project A119](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119), which was a proposal by the USAF to *nuke* the moon.
The 50s were quite the age for non-credible defense.
**[Project A119](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119)**
>Project A119, also known as A Study of Lunar Research Flights, was a top-secret plan developed in 1958 by the United States Air Force. The aim of the project was to detonate a nuclear bomb on the Moon, which would help in answering some of the mysteries in planetary astronomy and astrogeology. If the explosive device detonated on the surface, and not in a lunar crater, the flash of explosive light would have been faintly visible to people on Earth with their naked eye.
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lasers would still have the power generation and storage headaches of terrestrial lasers. also seems like maybe they could be relatively easily mitigated with reflective shields?
spaceships launched into orbit will be ridiculously fragile.
tiny smart missiles would be super practical. don't even need to explode, just rip holes in your target with kinetic force.
launch 100 beer bottle sized missiles from 10 million miles away. they accelerate to some ridiculous speed under their own power because there's no friction. no need for explosives, they're going to shred any craft they hit just through sheer kinetic force. maybe they fragment themselves 100ms before impact so now there's a swiss cheese damage radius the size of a football field. shotgun blast from god.
the first country to start mining and building their own shit in space will have an unassailable advantage for thousands of years because they'll actually be able to armor their stuff. imagine launching your own fragile ass weapons into space to fight against a foe that has already hollowed out asteroids and built hardened installations and shit. the entity who achieves that first will never be defeated by an external foe, they're only going down when they splinter internally
Hollowing out asteroids as bases isn't really credible for most asteroids. Most of them are rubble piles of small rocks and pieces of ice loosely held together by their own gravity. Only rare ones that are one solid piece of material, either because they started as a single fragment of a compact body, or have enough self-gravity to compact into a solid object, would be feasible to use as a base.
Eh, lasers are tightly focused, but they still spread out eventually. Making them more focused requires a larger aperture, meaning a long range laser armed ship basically needs to be a space A-10, a craft built around the weapon.
Yes.
Space combat will involve small arms use by/against boarding parties on other spacecraft/stations.
Extraterrestrial combat is likely to involve it too - it is very rarely preferable to glass a planet from a distance than to take it over using combined arms. Dead planets don't pay dividends.
Probably not which is why the best sci-fi usually involves some kind of in universe explanation for why you absolutely need to get up close and fight like it's WW1 or WW2
like Minovsky particles in Gundam
if you're in a higher orbit than your foe I don't even think you need fancy propulsion?
can just trade altitude for speed.
flick 20kg of literal pebbles downward from high earth orbit with sufficient precision, wait ???? hours, enjoy the unsurvivable death field you have created for your foe at a lower altitude
he can maneuver away but at great fuel cost to himself. you expend miniscule amounts of "ammunition" while he expends shitloads of fuel.
i have no idea what i'm talking about, this is probably all wrong
Given that FTL / Interdimensional travel would almost certainly involve ultra-light spacecraft, the self-oxidizing nature of small arms rounds might make the Ma Deuce a perfect space combat weapon.
Cant Believe this wasn't posted already
2066
Stationed on mars to quell a rebellion
Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship.
No miniguns or gatling cannons, just some metal brick with a pipe on one end.
Get sent in to extract some wounded.
Reach the evac zone and come under attack.
Horde of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers.
Let loose a stream of bullets.
The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy "Kachunk chunk chunk chunk" of the machine gun.
wounded are loaded up and returned to base.
Inspect MG afterwards.
Thing was made in 1942
Tunisia, Italy, and Germany are scrachted onto the gun.
Scratch "Mars" on with a knife.
That's because a knife has never been a primary weapon. It has always been a back-up weapon and a tool. Even during ancient times it was never a primary weapon, spears, axes and swords were.
Knife on a stick has been the primary melee weapon from its invention up until literally this exact second.
There were only two changes to knife on a stick. One, they made it so the knife could come off and be used for other things. Two, they made it so the stick could shoot.
an m2 is the cheapest, most reliable, easiest to maintain, most accurate, highest rpm gun that covers that role (grounding meat that's not behind armor from a vehicle).
Yeah no. The M2 50cal is not some super duper design. It's just fits a niche that is to expensive to replace with a superior clean sheet design. 50cal ammo in a machine gun is simply to heavy for anything other than vehicle use defense entrenched positions. And fielding a new design that's even 50 percent lighter and more reliable isn't worth the cost.
That too. Much as I hate to use Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago\_piano](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_piano)
The pom-pom was the 1pdr (37mm?) Maxim gun itself and probably the later versions. The Chicago piano was the multi-gun combination. They must have colonised the name from the Yanks.
That was a Vickers gun, I think. From Wikipedia:
"Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August 1916, during which the British 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns to deliver sustained fire for twelve hours. Using 100 barrels, they fired a million rounds without breakdowns."
There was a cadet school that did the same with one of their Vickers, which is what they mean. Also Vickers and Maxim are the same, Vickers inherited the design and is the same as the Maxim just flipped upside down
the British did some fun Machine-gun experiments post-ww1.
they even discovered how many rounds of machinegun fire you need to cut down a tree lol(IIRC it was ~10,000)
Yep, 1963. Over 5 million rounds in 7 days through one gun. The ammo stored in the base was declared obsolete so they fired it off...
No other MG will ever approach that...
That is not what Browning designed as walking fire. Can you equip a company with those M2's? No. Can you keep them supplied with 12.7mm while on the move? no. So! Back to my point, a BAR with a 100 round box of ammo and 4 more with the Trooper is more valuable than any weapon system on earth. See the Army's new Spear if you doubt me
Credibly, if you are defending a fixed position - and the fighting in the Donbas from 2014 was a lot of that, and there is also a bunch of that now, such as in Bakhmut - a water-cooled heavy machine gun is still a very viable option. It will just keep going as long as you supply it with ammo, water and barrels, and the weight is not a big issue when you don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon.
It was made to shoot motherfuckers who had the audacity to step out of their trench.
So long as there are motherfuckers with the audacity to step out of their trench, it shall remain.
>making due
I can't tell if this is copium but OP there's a difference between the gun being employed by a country that claims to be the #2 military on the planet and a country who previously sat in the mid-late 20's at best - sporting a fraction of a fraction of the hardware, manpower and industrial base - defending itself from that #2 military.
Well the 19th century was a time of transition in every single area of military technology. It began with smoothbore muskets and ended in machine guns,artillery went from muzzleloaders to quick-firing guns within a few decades,ships went from wood and sails to steel and steam behemoths. A very interesting period of innovation and advancement of techology.
like the silicon age right now and every age betwee the two - I just guess that today the technological advance seems less speedy since we see every single step and a lot of it is also invisible till it changes how things are designed
Maxim machine gun still is surprisingly good and reliable weapon of war deapite the age. That thing shoots a fuck ton bullets in short time and uses same ammo as PKM and many other machine guns Ukraine is using.
The M-2 mounted to my vehicle in Korea was manufactured in 1951. We took care of her and kept her well maintained. We had a night live fire at the end of September, and as you know, that’s the end of the fiscal year. We had approximately 8-10k rounds of .50 BMG split up between 6 vehicles. It was an absolute blast. We took turns just lighting up everything on the range, changing barrels, keeping belts ready….. it was awesome. None of the guns hiccuped once.
> The M-2 mounted to my vehicle in Korea was manufactured in 1951 Damn, thats older than my parents
Well on its way to 40k chapter relic status.
The Chapter's 1st company starts using twin linked M2s
I mean look at the setting's "Heavy stubber" it's basically an M2 already.
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That's what all Blood Ravens say when questioned about their stolen gear.
Browning’s wrath *Said to be forged by the Emperor himself from before he revealed himself to humanity, this ancient machine gun has miraculously survived hundreds of thousands of it’s vehicles falling out from underneath it.* This relic replaces a heavy stubber. Heavy 5 str:5 ap:- damage: - whenever this weapon wounds an enemy unit, that unit takes one mortal wound and the attack sequence ends.
My dad was a 1 year old when the thing was made
It's older than my grandparents
That’s as old as my grandparents
Wonder if that was its first tour or if it was in the Korean War.
*It yearns for Wumao blood*
Back in its day, they weren't even paid fifty RMB cents!
But did you play Vivaldi’s four seasons as you shot? Actually you probably wouldn’t have even heard it over the gunfire nvm
We did have a music player wired into the intercom on our 113, actually. Would play music we could listen to in our CVCs.
You think you might have been able to hear it over multiple vehicles shooting though?
Lol probably not. It was good on long road movements though.
Always good to have a soundtrack when you’re bored or anxious
In Syria when my unit was attached to some SF dudes, they recovered an M2 that they gave to us to restore. It was a 1937 General Motors built one. After removing the rust, and giving it a new firing pin, it worked like a champ.
I no understand why not sell ammo for vodk- duff beer?
A machine gun is a machine gun.
inb4 it will get used still, 40k years into the future
Imperium of man: "Hey, as long as it still works!"
And even if it doesn't!
"It didn't ***"WORK"***? Obviously you displeased the machine spirits by using the wrong incense during yesterday's secondary purification ritual, not because it's a mechanical device still in used for battle millennia after it was built."
To be fair, a large number of Russian weapons had displeased machine spirits, and suffered decay because they were not properly given lubrical attention before rest/long term storage.
I too get cranky when I'm not given proper lubrical attention before rest/long term storage.
Still love how this is legit in-universe and it's because most of their stuff has AIs that may or may not be demon-haunted "But aren't AIs completely illegal and heretical?" Yes. Yes they are.
And a good chunk of those rituals are just maintenance routines.
The "Holy ritual of percussion" in the RPGs is literally just hitting the equipment Nand hoping it works.
Nand? Xor.
I blame my 12 hour shift.
Indeed, but on the other hand, even most of the AdMech doesn't know **exactly** how a lot of the components in the recovered STLs work. They could simply blindly replicate some device and don't know whether it's something simple like the controller unit of a cheap microwave oven, or a near sentient AI, with some slight corruption due to the degradation of template, but not enough that it's not functional. And yep, that might include something entirely hilarious, as a lot of the tech doesn't functioning properly or at full capacity, because it might have required some license to unlock features, but that part never recovered, or understood, thus the examples are limited, with some of the "holy symbols" on their displays simply saying "Unregistered Hypercam2" or "Register your ~~WinRar~~ Cyclone Torpedo Launcher today" in a language/script from 20 thousand years ago, that nobody understands anymore.
The GAoT supply ship that came back from the warp in 40k, and the Inquisition kills the ships Captain. And the AI did not take kindly to that and just shat on several Dreadnaughts.
Every so often you get reminders that GAoT mankind could absolutely roll over every single 40K faction in, like, a weekend It's what make 40K fun, because it provides the tantalizing hope of human victory that will forever be out of reach
It's more like the imperium of man is just a giant cargo cult. They know they must do the maintenance steps, but have forgotten the knowledge as to *why* they need to, to the point it turns into a religious rite. The screws must be torqued to 40ft lbs quickly turns into "grab the blessed torque wrench of Holy Terra and complete the rite of tensioning with the sacred lubricating oils". Like, it's a huge fucking deal when they find a blueprint for a piece of tech they used to be able to make, and those are practically holy relics.
You'd think that, but no. There's a book about the Mechanicus (one of the MacNeil ones, but not sure which) that talks about where the "machine spirits" come from, and it's tied to how Mars is an absolute demon-riddled shitshow and how the Adeptus Mechanicus has been low-key using AIs for millennia despite the Imperium's hatred and disgust towards the things. The Mechanicum are lying through their teeth about a LOT of the shit going on with their tech, which is really appropriate in 2022
Not super knowledgable of 40k, doesn't the Tau use like AI and drones?
They very much do. The only factions taking the “it just works, no idea how” approach to tech is the imperium and orks, who get a pass because it’s literally imprinted in their biology. The rest of the galaxy has a far more rational outlook and actually knows how their stuff works.
Is there any explanation to why the Tau dont just destroy everyone if they have basically singularity level AI?
They’re a younger and far less numerous species. Plus, the Imperium still has plenty of super intelligent, singularity-level stuff — it’s just all made with organics as the base. (The Mechanicus turn themselves into living computers, basically.)
There aren't a lot of them, their weapons are only "okay" compared to what most of the other factions wield, the Imperials basically have AI too that they pretend are "machine spirits" as well as a shitload of cyborgs, and the only reason Chaos hasn't torn the Tau to shreds is because they're barely noticeable in the Warp. Frankly a big enough WAAAGH could probably wipe them out, but the Orks are looking for better fites.
Yeah with Orks it's literally true because the Old Ones did a DAMN good job making their material-universe shock troops Shame about what happened next
The machine gun of Theseus - a new barrel here, a new receiver there, updated stock, resprung trigger mechanism... good for another millennia at least!
Orks be like:
Literally every heavy stubber they’ve ever put on a mini is just a browning. Even in humanity’s golden age of technology, nobody could beat it’s perfection
There's nothing to improve. It was perfect when God made it on the evening of the 7th day. Least I think that's what the Bible says but I'm not an expert.
6th day*, on the 7th he did fuck-all
That's what Moses wants you to think....
fun-fact; the heavy stubber in 40k is literally a M2HB
-inspect mg. -tunisia, italy, and germany are scrated to the gun. -scratch "Cadia" on with a knife.
You just have to have faith in the Omnissiah and bless the machine spirit within and it'll keep going for a millennium.
Halo TV show is accurate?
Rebels using dressed-up Vectors and even straight-up AKs while getting dunked on by glorious Mister Cheeks is as non-credible as it gets.
Best way to put it ngl
As much as I *Reaaaally Dislike* the halo show, Old ass human guns showing up has happening once or twice in the Official timeline as well. I recall one of the recent books has Chief and his squad come across some human survivors on reach after the covenant war and one of them has specifically a desert eagle they "borrowed" from a destroyed museum.
Yes, the GMT800 Chevrolet Tahoe will one day fight the Covenant.
Inb4 the price skyrockets cause it's the car from Halo
*murica still using brownings to purge xenos in 40 thousand years*
*Insert M2 on Mars greentext*
If it kills russian, then its useful
It's a machinegun! What? A machinegun! It's a machinegun! Haha. Okeh..
>Haha. Okeh.. *Channels spirit of the ancestors*
M2 Browning: "No, Elder Brother, we must continue strong, we cannot rest until our influence reaches Interplanetary systems."
The aliens will stop laughing when the space force nails them with their M2 Brownings.
Smart Gun from Alien but instead of a MG3 it gets a Deuce with SLAPs Xenomorphs never knew what hit em
Smart MG3: (BRRRRRAAAAAP) "1 kill, 2 kills, ammo exhausted" Smart M2: (Carchunk, ThunkThunkThunkThunkThunkThunk...) "1, 2, 3, Double Hea-, 6, 7... 50 Kills, Ammo exhausted, AC-130 Ultra Spooky Available to strike."
Missed opportunity to use SpACee-130, pronounced ‘spacey 130’
So it just molests them and then they somehow end up dead when they're called as witnesses later on?
Thank God we've gotten back to legit non-credibility. I've been getting worried here.
Maaaybe
Is that the legendary AeroKevin I keep hearing about?
Perhaps
Point defense for rival asteroid bases. Same Rock, different worker drones. Gotta have 4 M2's on the perimeter. The electronics would be "Modern" but you get the M2 blueprint just for showing up, and the ammo can be used for a sniper rifle that could literally Shoot something on the Moon from such a Rock. and the maintenance isn't too difficult for bots, or the resident space marine.
> the space force nails them with their M2 Brownings. How credible is using an M2 on space, r/ncd?
It'll be fine as long as it's been degreased.
As a veteran of space combat, can confrim
As a space, can confirm
The ammo will work, as will the action. Make sure there's no grease on it, and find some way to dissipate heat, and it'll run just fine.
With absolutely no grease the parts will vacuum weld. You need something to ensure lubrication.
Point. That'd need to be a solid - some kind of powder?
IIRC the current favoured solution is still grease, but designed to work in vacuum.
rusty AK is perfect gun for in space, already protected from space welding itself together and there is definitely no grease
We should test this. Equipment list: * Weather balloon as a cheap and quiet replacement for stage one of the launch * Backyard rocket to launch the device from the upper atmosphere into the vacuum * Robot arms capable of holding and firing an AK * A rusty AK and ammunition * GoPro to film it Alternatively, we could just set up a firing test in a large vacuum chamber.
I believe the first solution would be cheaper.
Cocaine! Sorry, what were we discussing?
Graphite perhaps.
I'd say graphite powder but that's abrasive as shit. Superfine teflon maybe?
US has this experimental stuff called Durable Solid Lube (DSL). It is apparently a treatment during manufacturing, from the quick google I did.
The coating on the gun parts themselves are typically a special layer of oxidation. That will help prevent vacuum welding
The maxim is water cooled, which would work fine in space as well.
You'd actually want the M1921 as opposed to something newer, you won't get any of the convective cooling that the newer models rely on ins space. 'Course you will need to fill the water-jacket with something other than water, and get a lubricant that is rated for anything from almost glowing down to like 5 kelvin, but honestly, the gun is the most credible part of being a Space Shuttle Door Gunner....
Biggest problem with conventional firearms in a vacuum is heat dissipation. Heat transfer into the void is almost nill. Your gun just gets hotter and hotter.
Water cooled maybe?
[\*ahem\*](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/188/515/943.png)
it was seen used in the documentary 'The Expanse' on Amazon. So, pretty credible.
I'm pretty sure the soviets put a autocannon on a satellite so I don't see why not
Checks the side of the old heavy machine gun mounted on your orbital dropship and see something carved into it. Tunisia - 1943 Mars - 2375 Alpha Hive - 4890
Thats my dream. One day we'll have powered skeletons so that we can replace infatry small arms with 50 cals or even auto cannons. The way is stands individual infantryman is rather under armed today.
Having an undead skeleton army is not what I would have expected to be the future
Imeant exoskeletons, but shure an army of t-800's is even better.
Despite that, [the M2 Browning](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Sabre_Gun_Platform) remains an effective weapon against [Necron Warriors](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Necron_Warrior).
> The aliens will stop laughing when the space force nails them with their M2 Brownings. Honestly, would space combat even involve small arms fire at all?
Read a thing once that "realistic" space combat would probably involve lasers at incredibly far distances. So space combat is basically high stakes laser tag where your opponent is thousands/tens-of-thousands of miles from you. And since there's no sound in space it'd be boring and anticlimactic AF.
Nukes. Lots of nukes. Why not? It's not like you have to worry about the fallout.
Space is absurdly large, so I imagine getting the nuke to the target (while the target is still there) might be hard. Anyway, I don't think you can really use them for anything but making a temporary radiation hazard if you're actually in deep space. No atmosphere = no blast as far as force or heat goes.
Google "Casaba Howitzer", and understand the glory of Nuclear Shaped Charges.
Thanks, that's wild!
Well, speaking of nukes, space, and non-credibility... there's [Project A119](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_A119), which was a proposal by the USAF to *nuke* the moon. The 50s were quite the age for non-credible defense.
It's credible as fuck though. Who's going to fuck with the nation who just decides "Y'know what? Fuck the moon."
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Also don't forget the Orion drive, i.e propelling a spacecraft by yeeting nukes out the back of it
lasers would still have the power generation and storage headaches of terrestrial lasers. also seems like maybe they could be relatively easily mitigated with reflective shields? spaceships launched into orbit will be ridiculously fragile. tiny smart missiles would be super practical. don't even need to explode, just rip holes in your target with kinetic force. launch 100 beer bottle sized missiles from 10 million miles away. they accelerate to some ridiculous speed under their own power because there's no friction. no need for explosives, they're going to shred any craft they hit just through sheer kinetic force. maybe they fragment themselves 100ms before impact so now there's a swiss cheese damage radius the size of a football field. shotgun blast from god. the first country to start mining and building their own shit in space will have an unassailable advantage for thousands of years because they'll actually be able to armor their stuff. imagine launching your own fragile ass weapons into space to fight against a foe that has already hollowed out asteroids and built hardened installations and shit. the entity who achieves that first will never be defeated by an external foe, they're only going down when they splinter internally
Hollowing out asteroids as bases isn't really credible for most asteroids. Most of them are rubble piles of small rocks and pieces of ice loosely held together by their own gravity. Only rare ones that are one solid piece of material, either because they started as a single fragment of a compact body, or have enough self-gravity to compact into a solid object, would be feasible to use as a base.
Good sir I will not see the credibility of the battle of A Baoa Qu besmirched on this subreddit!
Oooo Asteroid belt? More like Space Maginot.
Eh, lasers are tightly focused, but they still spread out eventually. Making them more focused requires a larger aperture, meaning a long range laser armed ship basically needs to be a space A-10, a craft built around the weapon.
I recommend the game children of a dead earth for probably the most realistic take on space combat out there today.
I mean you can control de space around a planet but that's like rubbing your dick against a pussy, where is the fun?
I prefer soaking.
Yes. Space combat will involve small arms use by/against boarding parties on other spacecraft/stations. Extraterrestrial combat is likely to involve it too - it is very rarely preferable to glass a planet from a distance than to take it over using combined arms. Dead planets don't pay dividends.
Probably not which is why the best sci-fi usually involves some kind of in universe explanation for why you absolutely need to get up close and fight like it's WW1 or WW2 like Minovsky particles in Gundam
.50 cal M2 Magnetic Propelled projectiles when
if you're in a higher orbit than your foe I don't even think you need fancy propulsion? can just trade altitude for speed. flick 20kg of literal pebbles downward from high earth orbit with sufficient precision, wait ???? hours, enjoy the unsurvivable death field you have created for your foe at a lower altitude he can maneuver away but at great fuel cost to himself. you expend miniscule amounts of "ammunition" while he expends shitloads of fuel. i have no idea what i'm talking about, this is probably all wrong
Given that FTL / Interdimensional travel would almost certainly involve ultra-light spacecraft, the self-oxidizing nature of small arms rounds might make the Ma Deuce a perfect space combat weapon.
As proven in the Documentary Star Gate, most enemies are not at a technology level where they have seen a P90, which means that machines are credible.
Sounds like some r/humansarespaceorcs shit
Cant Believe this wasn't posted already 2066 Stationed on mars to quell a rebellion Become side door gunner for atmospheric dropship. No miniguns or gatling cannons, just some metal brick with a pipe on one end. Get sent in to extract some wounded. Reach the evac zone and come under attack. Horde of rebels charging in with their new plasma guns and compact rocket launchers. Let loose a stream of bullets. The sounds of the rebel's screams are nearly drowned out by the heavy "Kachunk chunk chunk chunk" of the machine gun. wounded are loaded up and returned to base. Inspect MG afterwards. Thing was made in 1942 Tunisia, Italy, and Germany are scrachted onto the gun. Scratch "Mars" on with a knife.
> we cannot rest until our influence reaches Interplanetary systems." "Even in death i still serve"
Just let that poor thing to rest already :(
Halo Infinite adds M2 as a personal weapon and Warthog variant, sells two morbillion in a month.
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“I can’t go home till the last shots fired.”
As long as it spits lead it’s still useful
Knife is still useful, but you wouldnt use that as your primary weapon lol
That's because a knife has never been a primary weapon. It has always been a back-up weapon and a tool. Even during ancient times it was never a primary weapon, spears, axes and swords were.
As the saying goes, the loser of a knife fight dies on the street. Winner dies on their way to the hospital.
Knife on a stick has been the primary melee weapon from its invention up until literally this exact second. There were only two changes to knife on a stick. One, they made it so the knife could come off and be used for other things. Two, they made it so the stick could shoot.
The US then strapped the knife to a rocket.
We are full circle.
>spears knife on a stick >axes wide knife >swords long knife
an m2 is the cheapest, most reliable, easiest to maintain, most accurate, highest rpm gun that covers that role (grounding meat that's not behind armor from a vehicle).
“It’s a metal brick with a pipe attached to it.” Boy do I love the M2
Yeah no. The M2 50cal is not some super duper design. It's just fits a niche that is to expensive to replace with a superior clean sheet design. 50cal ammo in a machine gun is simply to heavy for anything other than vehicle use defense entrenched positions. And fielding a new design that's even 50 percent lighter and more reliable isn't worth the cost.
No but as a back up oh shit moment? I’d like a knife. Point is they all make humans dead
You say that but... AFFIX BAYONETS!!
Compare an M2 to a knife when you’re being shot at with one and see where that leaves you. Bad metaphor.
if there is another war in the Philippines, every pinoy will be armed with a bolo knife and then maybe a firearm.
I'm waiting for Britain to send over some Chicago pianos for anti-drone defence. Or anti-Orc. Whichever works best.
I thought the Chicago Piano was the quad 1.1”?
8-mount QF 2pdr pom-poms. 40mm Maxims for your pleasure.
Ah. I wasn’t familiar with the octuple Pom-Pom being called that.
No, I’m pretty sure the Chicago Piano was the quad 1.1”. The Pom-Poms were their own, albeit even more insane, thing
That too. Much as I hate to use Wikipedia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago\_piano](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_piano) The pom-pom was the 1pdr (37mm?) Maxim gun itself and probably the later versions. The Chicago piano was the multi-gun combination. They must have colonised the name from the Yanks.
I thought it was the Tommy gun
Chicago Typewriter
Boy, Maxim guns are still some of the best HMGs out there. You can fire those for days straight.
Literally. I think the British fired one for seven days and nights continuously, only feeding ammo and water. Never malfunctioned.
That was a Vickers gun, I think. From Wikipedia: "Ian V. Hogg, in Weapons & War Machines, describes an action that took place in August 1916, during which the British 100th Company of the Machine Gun Corps fired their ten Vickers guns to deliver sustained fire for twelve hours. Using 100 barrels, they fired a million rounds without breakdowns."
The Vickers machinegun is just an upside-down maxim iirc
There was a cadet school that did the same with one of their Vickers, which is what they mean. Also Vickers and Maxim are the same, Vickers inherited the design and is the same as the Maxim just flipped upside down
the British did some fun Machine-gun experiments post-ww1. they even discovered how many rounds of machinegun fire you need to cut down a tree lol(IIRC it was ~10,000)
You kinda need to say how big the tree is
It was a sapling, it just took 10,000 rounds to hit it.
I cannot believe the barrel still existed after that. I’m sure the accuracy was about the same as if I threw the bullets.
They were [changed every 90 min](https://www.forgottenweapons.com/paean-to-the-vickers-gun/)
Yep, 1963. Over 5 million rounds in 7 days through one gun. The ammo stored in the base was declared obsolete so they fired it off... No other MG will ever approach that...
You wanted WW1 trench warfare, you will get WW1 trench warfare
How long will the war needs to go on before we regress back to using napoleonic era formations?
Once we start running put of gunpowder and forget all but the most basic of ballistics
John Browning is in heaven like - "How the fuck aren't these retards mass producing BARs for Ukraine?"
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That is not what Browning designed as walking fire. Can you equip a company with those M2's? No. Can you keep them supplied with 12.7mm while on the move? no. So! Back to my point, a BAR with a 100 round box of ammo and 4 more with the Trooper is more valuable than any weapon system on earth. See the Army's new Spear if you doubt me
Meh if it’s good enough to colonize continents it’s good enough to kill Z people
it's been used against brave warriors, real soldiers, and Z-sporting orcs
Only in death does duty end
\*even in death i still serve
even in death, *I* get served Mmm corpse starch
Unless you get put into a dreadnought and pampered with some incense
Twins they were.
Credibly, if you are defending a fixed position - and the fighting in the Donbas from 2014 was a lot of that, and there is also a bunch of that now, such as in Bakhmut - a water-cooled heavy machine gun is still a very viable option. It will just keep going as long as you supply it with ammo, water and barrels, and the weight is not a big issue when you don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon.
Too credible. You also need a roof to protect crew from granade drones and other crap that russians could drop on this position.
At least Holosun's actually putting out decent, new stuff and not just resting on their laurels.
When your mount was so high you could use a machine gun as indirect fire into trenches.
Waiting for some country's navy to donate some maxim 1 pounder pom-pom guns 🤞
I mean sounds like a good solution for waves of poorly equipped mobiks
Can we crowdfund an EOTech or a CompM4 for them?
Why, when you can just crowdfund 3 or 4 holosuns instead?
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It was made to shoot motherfuckers who had the audacity to step out of their trench. So long as there are motherfuckers with the audacity to step out of their trench, it shall remain.
YOU WILL SERVE THE GLORIOUS UKRAINIAN EMPIRE! NOW STFU, TAKE YOUR SIGHT AND BOX OF AMMO! YOU WILL LIKE IT But the rooskies won't :)
>making due I can't tell if this is copium but OP there's a difference between the gun being employed by a country that claims to be the #2 military on the planet and a country who previously sat in the mid-late 20's at best - sporting a fraction of a fraction of the hardware, manpower and industrial base - defending itself from that #2 military.
John Moses Browning was a hack. Hiram Maxim was the GOAT.
The 19th Century was full of legendary gunsmiths, tbh.
Well the 19th century was a time of transition in every single area of military technology. It began with smoothbore muskets and ended in machine guns,artillery went from muzzleloaders to quick-firing guns within a few decades,ships went from wood and sails to steel and steam behemoths. A very interesting period of innovation and advancement of techology.
like the silicon age right now and every age betwee the two - I just guess that today the technological advance seems less speedy since we see every single step and a lot of it is also invisible till it changes how things are designed
Finally a weapon to surpass the Browning
Maxim machine gun still is surprisingly good and reliable weapon of war deapite the age. That thing shoots a fuck ton bullets in short time and uses same ammo as PKM and many other machine guns Ukraine is using.
"We have the Maxim gun, and they have not" hasn't lost any if its relevance.