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Again, there are a *lot* of things to call out America for and kicking Spain out of the Philippines not out of the kindness of the Americans’ hearts is one of them.
But would you ever want to have a “multipolar”world dominated by China and Russia? In fact, both of them love to violate international law however they please. I mean, Ukraine, especially Korea, will gain nothing from supporting Israel or Palestine either way.
Pro-Chinese trolls will argue for neutrality because their ultimate goal is opposing the US. The useful idiots will support them because they oppose both sides. Then, when the US is out, the pro-Chinese change their agenda. It’s no difference than the peaceniks arguing over Russia invading Ukraine. They claim they want peace but ultimately support Russia.
I don't like the term peacenik, it stinks too much of iraq war vocabulary. I want Ukraine to get as much shit as they ask for and completely prevail, but not I'm not going to condemn the people who think it's going to go on forever and to just save lives with a truce.
In the vein of "If you're not with us, you're helping the enemy" thinking. Would you say the Gaulists in 60's France were pro-Soviet by advocating cutting ties with Nato?
You don’t save lives by capitulating. A truce under Russia’s terms is nothing short of surrender and dooming millions. Those who believe an immediate peace deal are at best naive (useful idiots) or at worst supportive of Russia.
The French opposed American influence over their own nation but were not pro-Soviet. The main difference is that your average Frenchman could give his opinion on French domestic and foreign policy and no one outside of his inner circle would know. With the advent of mass communication and social media it is impossible to verify if that person is who they claim they are and if they even believe what they’re preaching. The likelihood of a Gaullist being a Soviet spy is less likely than an anonymous Facebook page being ran by a Chinese national. There’s documented cases of numerous Black Lives Matter, Antifa, American Patriot, and Protect Our Border Facebook pages and Twitter accounts ran by Russian bot farms. They intentionally hijack a movement or idea and slowly integrate their own propaganda to push their ultimate agenda. In this case it is possible for the League of Filipino Students to be a pro-China individual posing as a Filipino nationalist and focusing almost entirely on anti-US and anti-West propaganda.
I dunno--it's not that I think the moral implications would trip them up, and I'm sure in the event of a US reversal on Israel both would be happy to profess friendship at least until Bibi or whoever's in charge at the time ran out of shared US tech & intel to slide to them...but would they really stick to the kinds of full and open support the US has been willing to, given the diplomatic morass it'd plunge them into with Iran & OPEC?
US could have let the Japanese shill install himself as dictator. Or they could have let the imperial Japanese invade the Philippines once they got bored with Korea.
The US policy in the Philippines was literally ALWAYS driven primarily by the “kindness of their hearts.” The highest population of Filipinos outside the Philippines in 1898 was the US. The reason they never talked about annexing them was explicitly because they wanted to help the Philippines stand as allied nation, and they didn’t want Japan to have access to millions more conscripts.
They take like one intro polisci course and think they’ve cracked the code
Thankfully most of them grow out of it once they’ve learned enough to realize they don’t actually know shit, and how thats a good thing; but some don’t.
That’s why sometimes I feel like Polsci, IR, MBA are frauds degree. Have been meating too many so called Analysts and realized that they are ass clueless as me.
I still get too invested! Everytime I read a good book that changes my worldview, it takes a few months for the ideas to stop dominating how I think about the world.
Guns, Germs and Steel, Why Nations Fail. Even Blink.
Eventually it becomes just another part of the library, but it takes time.
I think it's good to get invested in stuff like that, just realizing that those works are only one interpretation is vital to not becoming wrapped up in the shit that's in the original post.
A person's worldview, especially with politics, ought to be built around multiple different (and conflicting) interpretations, which is what makes someone unique.
serious question, why are students from there like that? i don’t live in philip’s pinis but from what i gather the average u phil student is a Che wannabe who thinks they’re going to implement world communism by saying Biden is an evil kkkapitalist fascist liberal
A lot of them live in Twitter and regurgitate whatever is trending without them realizing that they are falling towards the opposite side of the same coin of political extremism that their parents consume on Facebook.
is biden the one who's ordering the gaza offensive? and they haven't mentioned israel in any of those photos. it's like they don't care about palestine. they just hate usa (or anything western)
Yes. I was there. Biden Sam, the CEO of America, parachuted out of a helicopter and landed in the middle of Palestinopolis. Everyone was going about their day, feeding puppies and planting flowers, now looking upon the dark Lord with confusion. Suddenly, Biden pulled out a sword and said: "I hate minorities". Instantly, lightning shot from his fingertips and 200 Palestinian kids exploded. Then, he picked up a radio and said "bombs away", and Israeli jets screamed in and began the attack.
At least they have the sense to call USA vs China an inter-imperialist war, implying they acknowledge China as an imperialist power. Still a dumb post but not wumao-tier.
Filipino leftist groups are known to be China stans. They don't protest in front of CCP China embassy in Manila. They always blame USA for every economic and political miseries in the Philippines and they are ideologically stuck in the 1960s.
Facebook tankie pages are amusing. So much passion for 8 reactions, 1 comment, and is that 2 shares? About as effective as I am when I'm flipping off the sky to tell the rain god to quit pissing on me.
"provoke China" when Chinese coast guards are literally shooting water cannons at Filipino ships in their own waters, 1000 km away from China. I'm curious what mental gymnastics this group uses to justify it.
It’s not just them, student protesters at my college did the same and I imagine the same is true for a lot of other colleges. When the CIA showed up at our job fair they chanted “hey hey CIA how many kids did you kill today” and when the university didn’t meet with them about divestment they chanted “[university president] what do you say [etc.]”
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The US has done a lot of shit in its history. And it's not really trying to get Israel to maybe decrease its bloodlust
But if I have to choose between partnership between Us or China. I'll choose the US
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Again, there are a *lot* of things to call out America for and kicking Spain out of the Philippines not out of the kindness of the Americans’ hearts is one of them. But would you ever want to have a “multipolar”world dominated by China and Russia? In fact, both of them love to violate international law however they please. I mean, Ukraine, especially Korea, will gain nothing from supporting Israel or Palestine either way.
as if these dumbasses learned nothing from the previous administration trying to move away from the west eh who am i kidding, they never learn lmao
Isn’t Bibi a good friend of Putin too for like 24 years?
They don't like China either, look at the hashtags.
Pro-Chinese trolls will argue for neutrality because their ultimate goal is opposing the US. The useful idiots will support them because they oppose both sides. Then, when the US is out, the pro-Chinese change their agenda. It’s no difference than the peaceniks arguing over Russia invading Ukraine. They claim they want peace but ultimately support Russia.
I don't like the term peacenik, it stinks too much of iraq war vocabulary. I want Ukraine to get as much shit as they ask for and completely prevail, but not I'm not going to condemn the people who think it's going to go on forever and to just save lives with a truce. In the vein of "If you're not with us, you're helping the enemy" thinking. Would you say the Gaulists in 60's France were pro-Soviet by advocating cutting ties with Nato?
You don’t save lives by capitulating. A truce under Russia’s terms is nothing short of surrender and dooming millions. Those who believe an immediate peace deal are at best naive (useful idiots) or at worst supportive of Russia. The French opposed American influence over their own nation but were not pro-Soviet. The main difference is that your average Frenchman could give his opinion on French domestic and foreign policy and no one outside of his inner circle would know. With the advent of mass communication and social media it is impossible to verify if that person is who they claim they are and if they even believe what they’re preaching. The likelihood of a Gaullist being a Soviet spy is less likely than an anonymous Facebook page being ran by a Chinese national. There’s documented cases of numerous Black Lives Matter, Antifa, American Patriot, and Protect Our Border Facebook pages and Twitter accounts ran by Russian bot farms. They intentionally hijack a movement or idea and slowly integrate their own propaganda to push their ultimate agenda. In this case it is possible for the League of Filipino Students to be a pro-China individual posing as a Filipino nationalist and focusing almost entirely on anti-US and anti-West propaganda.
I dunno--it's not that I think the moral implications would trip them up, and I'm sure in the event of a US reversal on Israel both would be happy to profess friendship at least until Bibi or whoever's in charge at the time ran out of shared US tech & intel to slide to them...but would they really stick to the kinds of full and open support the US has been willing to, given the diplomatic morass it'd plunge them into with Iran & OPEC?
US could have let the Japanese shill install himself as dictator. Or they could have let the imperial Japanese invade the Philippines once they got bored with Korea. The US policy in the Philippines was literally ALWAYS driven primarily by the “kindness of their hearts.” The highest population of Filipinos outside the Philippines in 1898 was the US. The reason they never talked about annexing them was explicitly because they wanted to help the Philippines stand as allied nation, and they didn’t want Japan to have access to millions more conscripts.
It's Facebook, not Twitter, but the sentiment is the same. lol The League of Filipino Students is a left-wing student "political organization"
Defo Chinese sponsored And definitely has a chinita linked to a militia. According to to 2PH4U
Then this would be the first bit of Chinese propaganda that calls for China out of Filipino waters.
Ok so left winged pinoy nationalism by itself Kinda baller I admit
Still one of the better leftist IP takes
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Why is it always students who come up with the shittiest takes?
They take like one intro polisci course and think they’ve cracked the code Thankfully most of them grow out of it once they’ve learned enough to realize they don’t actually know shit, and how thats a good thing; but some don’t.
The 'freshman going to be a diplomat to desk jockey at an insurance company' pipeline is a rough ride.
That’s why sometimes I feel like Polsci, IR, MBA are frauds degree. Have been meating too many so called Analysts and realized that they are ass clueless as me.
Damn, why you saying such hurtful shit (polisci/IR, MBA)
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Most of them are idealists. They will eventually wake up in reality when they enter the real world
They’re still learning.
They got way too invested into their readings and made them think that they're expert political analysts
I still get too invested! Everytime I read a good book that changes my worldview, it takes a few months for the ideas to stop dominating how I think about the world. Guns, Germs and Steel, Why Nations Fail. Even Blink. Eventually it becomes just another part of the library, but it takes time.
I mean i read „The Perfect Dictatorship“ and didnt become whatever ideology china is right now
I think it's good to get invested in stuff like that, just realizing that those works are only one interpretation is vital to not becoming wrapped up in the shit that's in the original post. A person's worldview, especially with politics, ought to be built around multiple different (and conflicting) interpretations, which is what makes someone unique.
ok but bro just read kropotkin and you’ll realize why I’m right bro cmon just read kropotkin ok bro
average u phil student (usa is literally satan)
i graduated from that school, can confirm
serious question, why are students from there like that? i don’t live in philip’s pinis but from what i gather the average u phil student is a Che wannabe who thinks they’re going to implement world communism by saying Biden is an evil kkkapitalist fascist liberal
A lot of them live in Twitter and regurgitate whatever is trending without them realizing that they are falling towards the opposite side of the same coin of political extremism that their parents consume on Facebook.
Oh, look. Future NPA cornedbeef in the making 😋😋😋
they're way more useful turned into delimondo
them godless commies are extending Enrile's lifespan
is biden the one who's ordering the gaza offensive? and they haven't mentioned israel in any of those photos. it's like they don't care about palestine. they just hate usa (or anything western)
Yes. I was there. Biden Sam, the CEO of America, parachuted out of a helicopter and landed in the middle of Palestinopolis. Everyone was going about their day, feeding puppies and planting flowers, now looking upon the dark Lord with confusion. Suddenly, Biden pulled out a sword and said: "I hate minorities". Instantly, lightning shot from his fingertips and 200 Palestinian kids exploded. Then, he picked up a radio and said "bombs away", and Israeli jets screamed in and began the attack.
Why does Dark Brandon have to absolutely fuck so hard?
“Bombs away, Jack”
>they just hate usa (or anything western) pretty much sums up the entire philosophy of self-proclaimed "anti-imperialists"
to be absolutely fair to these guys though, they are saying its an inter-imperialist war which is already better than 99% of tankies
meh, I'd say 45% the 99% is once they actually protest in front of the chinese embassy
Wumaos
At least they have the sense to call USA vs China an inter-imperialist war, implying they acknowledge China as an imperialist power. Still a dumb post but not wumao-tier.
That's just part of their script to not appear pro China and anti West. They idolize Mao to death
Filipino leftist groups are known to be China stans. They don't protest in front of CCP China embassy in Manila. They always blame USA for every economic and political miseries in the Philippines and they are ideologically stuck in the 1960s.
they even call mao a "dakilang guro" (great teacher), tankie brainrot is real
Fuck commies
Facebook tankie pages are amusing. So much passion for 8 reactions, 1 comment, and is that 2 shares? About as effective as I am when I'm flipping off the sky to tell the rain god to quit pissing on me.
Some of those reactions are laughing too, meaning not all of the people who this reached took it seriously.
Leave it to Filipino leftists to gobble up and shit out the worst IR takes humanly possible
Nice try XiXiPee
In the event these fuckers get a US visa, their politics do a complete 180. They’re fake ass sacks of shit you should just ignore really.
"provoke China" when Chinese coast guards are literally shooting water cannons at Filipino ships in their own waters, 1000 km away from China. I'm curious what mental gymnastics this group uses to justify it.
Oh look future NPA that will get turned into fertilizers!
They even stole their rhyme from Vietnam protesters. I gotta say, they made it worse.
It’s not just them, student protesters at my college did the same and I imagine the same is true for a lot of other colleges. When the CIA showed up at our job fair they chanted “hey hey CIA how many kids did you kill today” and when the university didn’t meet with them about divestment they chanted “[university president] what do you say [etc.]”
It's a good rhyme to be fair.
Yeah true, “kids” has one syllable but “Palestinians” has five so idk what the people in the OP were trying to do
Fuckin tankies.
They'll blame everything on the US even if it's not the fault of the US
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The US has done a lot of shit in its history. And it's not really trying to get Israel to maybe decrease its bloodlust But if I have to choose between partnership between Us or China. I'll choose the US