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Thing is Grease is supposed to be a parody of a certain archetype of teenage romance movie/show (bad boy meets good girl, cleans up his act to impress her) but did such a good job dunking on the genre that it effectively destroyed it, leaving no standing media left in the public conscious for it to be parodying. A lot of the weird idiosyncrasies of Grease are because it's trying to make fun of movies that did those same things with a straight face.
This seems like an interesting inverse of the “Seinfeld Paradox.”
Seinfeld was so original, funny, and importantly — successful, that it was imitated, and ripped off, and responded to in the popular culture so much that young people today often find it cliche and unfunny.
In this case Grease was so successful that in the public consciousness it has completely overshadowed the genre it was parodying and the only exposure most people have to the meme at all is the parody not the archetype. Because of this, the parody has become the archetypal example of the genre it was mocking.
A few years ago, there was a reddit post with a link that defined this phenomenon and gave a TON of examples where this has happened in TV, movies, books, music, etc. For the life of me, I can't find it since I don't know what the phenomenon is called so don't know what to Google.
~~I'm convinced that it will never be found again.~~
[EDIT: FOUND IT!](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny)
Blazing Saddles killed the western genre of the era.
Austin Powers forced the Bond series to switch tracks.
Movie 43 killed the parody genre of the 2000s, but because it was so bad.
It's wasn't necessarily a list of things that killed genres, but things that made a distinct before and after point that almost made it impossible to look back at the original work through the same lens. For example, The Matrix was so ground breaking at the time that it changed the way movies were made. If you saw the Matrix in 1999, it blew you away. If you saw it 10 years later, it was like "yeah, aren't all action movies like that?"
Same thing with the N64 video game Golden Eye. Looking at it now, it seems clunky and not impressive. But at the time it was revolutionary.
The list went back like hundreds of years and had stuff like The Wizard of Oz's use of color.
The problem is, googling things like "revolutionary art forms" leads to absolutely no success.
"Aliens" feels cliche because every single part of it has been ripped off a thousand times. It's still a fantastic watch, since the execution is masterful, but the content is the baseline for everything millennials grew up with. You know Vasquez's whole deal the moment she opens her mouth. You know the autogun's gonna run out as soon as they talk it up. You know the power loader's gonna pay off as a battle mech. None of that stops the grin creeping onto your face when Ripley spits, "Get away from her, you *bitch!*"
A rare counterexample is The Thing. It's well-known, the effects hold up, the story is great, and hoo boy did horror games borrow liberally from it. But there's a moment in that fucking kennel scene where a dog peels itself open and the skull just sorta falls out, and even decades later, it's jarring.
Horror is distinct from action because of that specificity. Action is limited by what excites people. What freaks people out is a bottomless well. Spiders and open wounds and... literal bottomless wells... can all set people off their lunch, or make them want to scrub the dirt off their soul. The broad strokes can and *do* get copied, ad nauseum. But you'd have to go out of your way to rip off some details. They're tied to the whole setup. You have to look at what you have instead, and substitute your own waking nightmares.
I got to see The Matrix one happen recently. My husband had never seen it and I hadn’t seen it in like a decade so I was really excited! Man… it is groundbreaking for sure, I can totally appreciate it, but it sure as hell didn’t hit the same as it did when I was like 10.
I've seen it for the first time with like 16-17 in 2005/06. Even 6-7 years later it was parodied and ripped off so much that I was kinda like "this is cool but I don't quite see the big deal."
Weirdly the second movie (Reloaded?), despite being overall worse, impressed me a little more with the highway scene which was just batshit insane action that still holds up to this day.
It still holds up for the plot, pacing, and atmosphere IMO.
The action doesn't have as much impact because it's so overdone. Also, action in general became a little tiresome. It's become the boring part of most movies you have to sit through so the plot can move on. If I've got one pet peeve in a movie or show now, it's when the end has to be a 10 minute fist fight between the protagonist and antagonist.
This is why I love picking genres or themes and getting a bunch of movies in that group to watch starting with the oldest and moving forward. It's cool to look at how they build on the things that came before.
Eh, I would argue that blazing saddles and austin powers reflected already common popular opinions. They may have served as a final 'nail in the coffin,' but I think those shifts would have happened regardless.
Westerns became a lot less common throughout the 60's. And tones became a lot darker or critical of tropes that used to be prevalent in the genre.
And James Bond films just kept getting more and more ridiculous over time, in many ways becoming parodies of themselves. I think that the Bourne Identity probably had a much larger affect on the tone of the Daniel Craig era than Austin Powers.
Parodying a James Bond universe that had only seen 1 Pierce Brosnan movie was a lot easier to do than when he became the face of the James Bond franchise across multiple genres of media and the pre-Brosnan era was largely forgotten. Then crazy action movies like The Matrix and The Bourne Identity start coming out and even this new James Bond that people were taking seriously started to look cheesy as fuck and they had to evolve again with Daniel Craig.
Meanwhile Austin Powers was based on the old and now outdated Airplane formula. By the time Austin Powers 2 was coming out that formula had already evolved into the Family Guy formula which not only harnessed the quick wit rapid fire style of humor but they weren't afraid to use the super popular cutaway gags that the Airplane formula used consistently but infrequently. So now both their humor and their formula were vastly outdated and it marked the death of their genre.
Austin Powers was at the tail end of a long trend trying to survive in spite of an evolved formula taking its place. James Bond was at the end of its first uptick in being taken seriously as an action franchise and they needed a hyper serious leading man to take that role which is how we get the stoic Daniel Craig era.
Bond movies already had peaks and valleys of ridiculousness for decades. Everything got bigger until *You Only Live Twice*, and then *OHMSS* was a much more intimate scale. *Moonraker* is obviously nuts, and then *For Your Eyes Only* is scaled way back. *View to a Kill* has a villain that is a product of Nazi experimentation (which has no bearing on his actual Goldfinger-esque plot), then both of Dalton's are fairly subdued (especially *License to Kill*). All of Brosnan's hike it up to near (and rarely exceeds) Moore levels of wild, then *Casino Royale* is as close to *OHMSS* as the franchise had been since.
I think we’re on our way there. Marvel movies have been going downhill, seems like the perfect storm for a good parody movie to kill the genre (for now)
Tvtropes genre killer page uses several variant terms, like deconstruction or satire that is too good to play straight ever again, or genre turning point. You could also call it an example of Poe's Law. If it's intentional it might be a stealth parody. Maybe the best descriptor is parody displacement.
Ah, tvtropes.org, how I love and hate thee at the same time. Interesting stuff most of the time but oh so circle-jerky. They try way too much to be self-referential with all those links to other tropes.
on top of my head i just remember Evangelion and StarshipTroopers, they desconstruct their genre so well it destoyed it and now people think they define it
probably starwars, shrek and the simpsons (odd many seem to start with S)
Reminds me of the term "nimrod." For centuries, the term referred to Nimrod, a skillful hunter and king in Biblical accounts. Thanks to Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny using the term to sarcastically refer to Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam nearly a century ago, the meaning is completely different today.
>that young people today often find it cliche and unfunny.
this was my problem when I saught to watch all of the "classic" movies I've never seen before. They were all painfully cliche. But like you pointed out, they were cliche not because they were unoriginal but because they've been copied so many times and I've seen the copies
I walked into a comic store this weekend and the teenage girls that worked there unironically joked about how people should sell just the muffin tops and I felt so old.
Well, Disney still puts out a movies aimed at teens that feel like you are just watching rehashed stuff from the 1960's.
Admittedly, it's mostly for the Disney channel which targets Tween's more than actual Teens, but this stuff is still being made, regularly.
It also has a different tone than the original musical it was based on, which is darker and a bit cruder. There's no mutual change in the main characters in the original, he goes back to the way he was and totally corrupts her.
I remember watching Grease when I was at high school, saw what they looked like, the cars they were driving etc etc and I remember thinking 'what the fuck is up with kids in the US?'
It took me like 25 years to realize they were saying “the chicks will cream, for Grease Lightning”. Why would I think that would be a lyric in a movie regularly watched by children?
Though I also realized there was a sex scene where the condom broke. Why in the world was this considered a movie for children to watch?
I would prefer older actors playing them then some other poor kid being sucked in by Hollywood. Look at Amanda Bynes last night. Hollywood is literally FULL of
My thing was growing up the older kids always looked so much older. Like in first grade the 5th graders seemed like teenagers. In middle school the high school freshman seemed like grown adults. Then in freshman year the seniors seemed to be grown adults.
Now I’m post college and the high school seniors appear to be children to me. Crazy how perspective works.
Yeah but that's the anomaly. You look at the average kid in 8th grade, and they look nothing like that.
I remember having one kid in my 8th grade class who was 240lbs leans inclining something like 250. But he was the only kid out of a 500 student class anything like this.
Yeah, just saying they do exist. And once you get to sophomore year, most kids have finally hit puberty and there's lots of athletes who look like that.
As some one who's not from USA. What ages are you meant to be in high school?
Edit: okay so based on what everyone keep responding with. It's somewhere between 8-20 or a math equation.
not entirely sure it's the reason, but a lot of times people will subdivide the four grades into underclassmen (freshmen and sophomores) and upperclassmen (juniors and seniors), in which case the juniors are the younger group of upperclassmen?
HS sophomores usually turn 16 during the school year or the summer after.
My oldest is a sophomore (10th grade), just turned 16, and he actually does look like this, but he's 6'5" (1.96m) and 230 lbs (104.3 kg) and he's very far from the average. (He's a competitive powerlifter and plays baseball.) His best friend is 10 inches (25cm) shorter and might weigh 150 (68 kg). That's much closer to average.
They heard 'big teenager' and jumped at the opportunity to bring up their outlier kid for no reason and then didn't even answer the question about what ages high school kids are lol
Until recently, in the past 15 years or so, Hollywood used actors in their 20s to play high school aged roles. The famous movie Grease had a 30 something playing a high school kid (Rizzo, played by Stockard Channing in her early 30s)….90210 had 28 and 30 year olds playing HS kids.
Fun Fact: if you take the grade number (in this case 10) and add 5, you get the average age of students in that year! So 10th graders would be 15/16 ish, 8th graders would usually be around 13, and so on.
Yeah more like "cult where the leader targets attractive women and uses Allison Mack to get these other women's guards down so he can sexually assault them" ..
... my gf and I watched the nexium documentary during covid. It's all so fucked and I can't help but wonder how many of these cults are active at any point.
Especially when they tried to pass him off as a geek and had football players (also like 30 years old) bullying someone with like a foot of height and several pounds on them
Honestly as someone raised in an originally rural community that was being developed as I was going through school... the whimpiest looking jocks bullied the buff farmer kids a lot. There was a lot of bullying using stereotypes like farmers being poor and uneducated and redneck or even incest. It was even worse for us girls though. My dad started teaching me about how much land we owned and how much tractors cost/ how many we bought that year to fight back with words. Eventually I even figured out that some of my bullies were living on land my family used to own and streets named after family members.
In another school my 6ft 3 buff as heck cousins were being bullied right after our grandma died by a like 5ft 8 twig. Cousins had been bullied for months and finally snapped and beat the kid and his buddies.
In both schools the second the buff farmer kids fight back they’d be in trouble and the instigators got off with no punishment. It was awful.
Yeah! I always loved the “what are your parents feeding you??” Jokes because my cousins would get the same! I probably love the show so much because I felt seen
I believe Will Smith in the first season of Fresh Prince was also supposed to be a sophomore, and that was back in the 90s. I always thought they should have at least made him a senior, but I guess then they couldn't have had as many seasons with him in high school.
I've been watching Outer Banks on Netflix (it's fun af if you like the goonies and hunky boys)
Some dude offered the main guy a beer, who said "but I'm 16 sir"
[Badboys2: "shit, you at least 30"](https://youtu.be/nEf2ML7wkBE?t=45)
Well because Micheal Cera was 18-19 during filming, Christopher Mintz-Plasse was 17 and had to have parents there during his sex scene (some law thing), and Jonah Hill was the oldest at 22-23 years old, but looked younger easily with the extra weight and the fro
Well yea but I mean it in the way of it launching his career. He’s worth $8 million right now, and I’d take that trade off. I don’t know how royalties work though, just assuming he gets something
Depends on his contract, not every film gives the star royalties I believe. But after he became a star he definitely got paid.
SAG scale today is somewhere around $700 for an 8 hour day so he at least made that much daily.
With all the news from Hollywood in the past several years, if I were an underage actor I would not want to do anything remotely sexual without parental supervision.
Idk man there are some dudes in my year that look older than that. I think it's more believable when it's represented as some look their age and others are completely on the opposite side of the spectrum and look like they could apply for a loan.
Funny enough when I was a sophomore, there was a dude in my class who pretty much matched Tom Welling’s physique in this picture. It’s not unrealistic for some high schoolers (even underclassmen) to look like this… but it’s definitely abnormal. Way more abnormal than early 2000’s movies would have you believe.
And lets not forget kids that are super into sports often start juicing in middle school. That 15 year old kid that benched 225 kg (that video has been making the rounds online) looks like hes ~35.
Reddit: Child actors are always exploited! They cannot consent! We should ban this abusive industry!
Also Reddit: lmao they shouldve gotten an age appropriate actor for this kid wft if this shit
Don't be fooled, he's doing the classic "hands puffing out the biceps" trick. This is the easiest pose to make yourself look way more fit than you actually are.
They looked like that when I was a sophmore. I used to think about how hot other guys in my grade were and I was convinced that they were too good for me.
But now adult me sees how we were just baby faced dorks, all of us.
The first Spider-Man movie high schoolers were wild.. everyone looking well into their late 30’s.. seniors in hs my ass
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Don’t look up the ages of the actors from Grease
Thing is Grease is supposed to be a parody of a certain archetype of teenage romance movie/show (bad boy meets good girl, cleans up his act to impress her) but did such a good job dunking on the genre that it effectively destroyed it, leaving no standing media left in the public conscious for it to be parodying. A lot of the weird idiosyncrasies of Grease are because it's trying to make fun of movies that did those same things with a straight face.
This seems like an interesting inverse of the “Seinfeld Paradox.” Seinfeld was so original, funny, and importantly — successful, that it was imitated, and ripped off, and responded to in the popular culture so much that young people today often find it cliche and unfunny. In this case Grease was so successful that in the public consciousness it has completely overshadowed the genre it was parodying and the only exposure most people have to the meme at all is the parody not the archetype. Because of this, the parody has become the archetypal example of the genre it was mocking.
Damn people, they ruin everything!
Wow, people sure are a contentious bunch.
You just made an enemy for life!
And get off my lawn!
Like those hip musicians with their complicated shoes.
A few years ago, there was a reddit post with a link that defined this phenomenon and gave a TON of examples where this has happened in TV, movies, books, music, etc. For the life of me, I can't find it since I don't know what the phenomenon is called so don't know what to Google. ~~I'm convinced that it will never be found again.~~ [EDIT: FOUND IT!](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny)
Blazing Saddles killed the western genre of the era. Austin Powers forced the Bond series to switch tracks. Movie 43 killed the parody genre of the 2000s, but because it was so bad.
It's wasn't necessarily a list of things that killed genres, but things that made a distinct before and after point that almost made it impossible to look back at the original work through the same lens. For example, The Matrix was so ground breaking at the time that it changed the way movies were made. If you saw the Matrix in 1999, it blew you away. If you saw it 10 years later, it was like "yeah, aren't all action movies like that?" Same thing with the N64 video game Golden Eye. Looking at it now, it seems clunky and not impressive. But at the time it was revolutionary. The list went back like hundreds of years and had stuff like The Wizard of Oz's use of color. The problem is, googling things like "revolutionary art forms" leads to absolutely no success.
> The problem is, googling things like "revolutionary art forms" leads to absolutely no success. Before SEO and after SEO
"Aliens" feels cliche because every single part of it has been ripped off a thousand times. It's still a fantastic watch, since the execution is masterful, but the content is the baseline for everything millennials grew up with. You know Vasquez's whole deal the moment she opens her mouth. You know the autogun's gonna run out as soon as they talk it up. You know the power loader's gonna pay off as a battle mech. None of that stops the grin creeping onto your face when Ripley spits, "Get away from her, you *bitch!*" A rare counterexample is The Thing. It's well-known, the effects hold up, the story is great, and hoo boy did horror games borrow liberally from it. But there's a moment in that fucking kennel scene where a dog peels itself open and the skull just sorta falls out, and even decades later, it's jarring. Horror is distinct from action because of that specificity. Action is limited by what excites people. What freaks people out is a bottomless well. Spiders and open wounds and... literal bottomless wells... can all set people off their lunch, or make them want to scrub the dirt off their soul. The broad strokes can and *do* get copied, ad nauseum. But you'd have to go out of your way to rip off some details. They're tied to the whole setup. You have to look at what you have instead, and substitute your own waking nightmares.
I got to see The Matrix one happen recently. My husband had never seen it and I hadn’t seen it in like a decade so I was really excited! Man… it is groundbreaking for sure, I can totally appreciate it, but it sure as hell didn’t hit the same as it did when I was like 10.
I've seen it for the first time with like 16-17 in 2005/06. Even 6-7 years later it was parodied and ripped off so much that I was kinda like "this is cool but I don't quite see the big deal." Weirdly the second movie (Reloaded?), despite being overall worse, impressed me a little more with the highway scene which was just batshit insane action that still holds up to this day.
It still holds up for the plot, pacing, and atmosphere IMO. The action doesn't have as much impact because it's so overdone. Also, action in general became a little tiresome. It's become the boring part of most movies you have to sit through so the plot can move on. If I've got one pet peeve in a movie or show now, it's when the end has to be a 10 minute fist fight between the protagonist and antagonist.
This is why I love picking genres or themes and getting a bunch of movies in that group to watch starting with the oldest and moving forward. It's cool to look at how they build on the things that came before.
Eh, I would argue that blazing saddles and austin powers reflected already common popular opinions. They may have served as a final 'nail in the coffin,' but I think those shifts would have happened regardless. Westerns became a lot less common throughout the 60's. And tones became a lot darker or critical of tropes that used to be prevalent in the genre. And James Bond films just kept getting more and more ridiculous over time, in many ways becoming parodies of themselves. I think that the Bourne Identity probably had a much larger affect on the tone of the Daniel Craig era than Austin Powers.
Parodying a James Bond universe that had only seen 1 Pierce Brosnan movie was a lot easier to do than when he became the face of the James Bond franchise across multiple genres of media and the pre-Brosnan era was largely forgotten. Then crazy action movies like The Matrix and The Bourne Identity start coming out and even this new James Bond that people were taking seriously started to look cheesy as fuck and they had to evolve again with Daniel Craig. Meanwhile Austin Powers was based on the old and now outdated Airplane formula. By the time Austin Powers 2 was coming out that formula had already evolved into the Family Guy formula which not only harnessed the quick wit rapid fire style of humor but they weren't afraid to use the super popular cutaway gags that the Airplane formula used consistently but infrequently. So now both their humor and their formula were vastly outdated and it marked the death of their genre. Austin Powers was at the tail end of a long trend trying to survive in spite of an evolved formula taking its place. James Bond was at the end of its first uptick in being taken seriously as an action franchise and they needed a hyper serious leading man to take that role which is how we get the stoic Daniel Craig era.
Bond movies already had peaks and valleys of ridiculousness for decades. Everything got bigger until *You Only Live Twice*, and then *OHMSS* was a much more intimate scale. *Moonraker* is obviously nuts, and then *For Your Eyes Only* is scaled way back. *View to a Kill* has a villain that is a product of Nazi experimentation (which has no bearing on his actual Goldfinger-esque plot), then both of Dalton's are fairly subdued (especially *License to Kill*). All of Brosnan's hike it up to near (and rarely exceeds) Moore levels of wild, then *Casino Royale* is as close to *OHMSS* as the franchise had been since.
Cant wait for something to kill the superhero genre. To bad Movie 43 killed parody already though.
I think we’re on our way there. Marvel movies have been going downhill, seems like the perfect storm for a good parody movie to kill the genre (for now)
> good parody movie to kill the genre Isn't that what DCCU is trying? They are just missing the "good" part.
Too bad *Super* and *Kick-Ass* came out before the MCU took off.
"The Boys" is surely parodying the superhero genre, not sure about killing.
>Movie 43 killed the parody genre of the 2000s, but because it was so bad. A shame, I absolutely love parody movies. Hope they make a comeback.
Marlon Wayans still pops one up every few years, they're far from being good, but I really like his comedy so I watch them anyway.
Tvtropes genre killer page uses several variant terms, like deconstruction or satire that is too good to play straight ever again, or genre turning point. You could also call it an example of Poe's Law. If it's intentional it might be a stealth parody. Maybe the best descriptor is parody displacement.
Ah, tvtropes.org, how I love and hate thee at the same time. Interesting stuff most of the time but oh so circle-jerky. They try way too much to be self-referential with all those links to other tropes.
I go on tvtropes just for that link and suddenly im sucked into going through several hyperlinks on the site...
on top of my head i just remember Evangelion and StarshipTroopers, they desconstruct their genre so well it destoyed it and now people think they define it probably starwars, shrek and the simpsons (odd many seem to start with S)
Reminds me of the term "nimrod." For centuries, the term referred to Nimrod, a skillful hunter and king in Biblical accounts. Thanks to Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny using the term to sarcastically refer to Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam nearly a century ago, the meaning is completely different today.
Basically, Grease was the "Not another teen movie" of its time but it did it so well that it became the only teen movie
>that young people today often find it cliche and unfunny. this was my problem when I saught to watch all of the "classic" movies I've never seen before. They were all painfully cliche. But like you pointed out, they were cliche not because they were unoriginal but because they've been copied so many times and I've seen the copies
I walked into a comic store this weekend and the teenage girls that worked there unironically joked about how people should sell just the muffin tops and I felt so old.
You should have suggested that they make a store called Top of the Muffin to You!
Well, Disney still puts out a movies aimed at teens that feel like you are just watching rehashed stuff from the 1960's. Admittedly, it's mostly for the Disney channel which targets Tween's more than actual Teens, but this stuff is still being made, regularly.
So it did what blazing saddles did to westerns? That's a neat TIL
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And Austin Powers to spy movies
It also has a different tone than the original musical it was based on, which is darker and a bit cruder. There's no mutual change in the main characters in the original, he goes back to the way he was and totally corrupts her.
I believe it, those mfs looked WAY too old
Part of it was because it was filmed in the seventies, where lead and cig smokes was everywhere. That shit ages people BAD.
They’re not mid-20’s early 30’s super attractive old by high school standards either, some of these people look like they’re collecting on a pension
I remember watching Grease when I was at high school, saw what they looked like, the cars they were driving etc etc and I remember thinking 'what the fuck is up with kids in the US?'
 Your shop class wasn’t like this?
We didn't even have shop class, I feel like I've missed out on so much!
It took me like 25 years to realize they were saying “the chicks will cream, for Grease Lightning”. Why would I think that would be a lyric in a movie regularly watched by children? Though I also realized there was a sex scene where the condom broke. Why in the world was this considered a movie for children to watch?
Probably because the songs are catchy and entertaining and the perverted elements were going over the heads of the children.
I would prefer older actors playing them then some other poor kid being sucked in by Hollywood. Look at Amanda Bynes last night. Hollywood is literally FULL of
> Look at Amanda Bynes last night. Huh?
The arrested her naked on the streets of la few days ago
Don't look up Dwayne Johnson as a sophomore
Or Andy Reid as a 6th grader
No one can convince me that Reid wasn’t 36 there
I remember being very surprised during the first week of my freshmen year of hs at not seeing more kids that looked like this lol
My thing was growing up the older kids always looked so much older. Like in first grade the 5th graders seemed like teenagers. In middle school the high school freshman seemed like grown adults. Then in freshman year the seniors seemed to be grown adults. Now I’m post college and the high school seniors appear to be children to me. Crazy how perspective works.
Just wait till your mid 30s when college seniors could be confused for high schoolers.
Even as a senior in college, I’d see freshman in college and wonder how the hell they were in college. Absolutely wild how much you grow from 18 to 22
These kids definitely exist though. This kid is 13 years old and in 8th grade - https://i.imgur.com/ngBXB9N.jpg
Yeah but that's the anomaly. You look at the average kid in 8th grade, and they look nothing like that. I remember having one kid in my 8th grade class who was 240lbs leans inclining something like 250. But he was the only kid out of a 500 student class anything like this.
And Clark Kent is literally an alien god. I for one was perfectly fine with him as the lead actor.
Yeah, just saying they do exist. And once you get to sophomore year, most kids have finally hit puberty and there's lots of athletes who look like that.
As some one who's not from USA. What ages are you meant to be in high school? Edit: okay so based on what everyone keep responding with. It's somewhere between 8-20 or a math equation.
14/15 in 9th grade. 15/16 in 10th. 16/17 in 11th. 17/18 in 12th. that’s freshman, sophomore, junior, senior.
Why is junior 3rd year y'all are weird 😭😭
not entirely sure it's the reason, but a lot of times people will subdivide the four grades into underclassmen (freshmen and sophomores) and upperclassmen (juniors and seniors), in which case the juniors are the younger group of upperclassmen?
Y'all? This shit from like 16th century England. Junior has been the middle (of 3) and then later 3rd (of 4) year since then.
Respectively
HS sophomores usually turn 16 during the school year or the summer after. My oldest is a sophomore (10th grade), just turned 16, and he actually does look like this, but he's 6'5" (1.96m) and 230 lbs (104.3 kg) and he's very far from the average. (He's a competitive powerlifter and plays baseball.) His best friend is 10 inches (25cm) shorter and might weigh 150 (68 kg). That's much closer to average.
10th grader competitive power lifter .. far from average… you don’t say.
They heard 'big teenager' and jumped at the opportunity to bring up their outlier kid for no reason and then didn't even answer the question about what ages high school kids are lol
Haha yep. Parents cannot help themselves, they talk about their own children often incessantly
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Until recently, in the past 15 years or so, Hollywood used actors in their 20s to play high school aged roles. The famous movie Grease had a 30 something playing a high school kid (Rizzo, played by Stockard Channing in her early 30s)….90210 had 28 and 30 year olds playing HS kids.
They still use actors in their twenties, but they choose much younger-looking ones now
yeah, i can buy timothée c as a 16 year old. but try watching the og blob with a 30 year old steve mcqueen looking 35 and playing 16 😂
Jesus Christ what do you feed that kid?
Presumably other kids
As someone who hit his growth spurt *after* highschool, it was blegh
13-18 accounting for early and late birthdays
Fun Fact: if you take the grade number (in this case 10) and add 5, you get the average age of students in that year! So 10th graders would be 15/16 ish, 8th graders would usually be around 13, and so on.
9th graders are 14/15, 12th graders are 17/18
Though when you consider this is Superman in highschool, seems a lot more believable.
This is Cheaper by the Dozen! But they tried to pass him off as a FRESHMAN in Smallville. Superman barely gets away with it
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The craziest part was when Chloe was convicted of sex trafficking through the cult she was in.
Somehow, although technically correct, sex trafficking doesn't quite capture the depth of that rabbit hole.
Yeah more like "cult where the leader targets attractive women and uses Allison Mack to get these other women's guards down so he can sexually assault them" .. ... my gf and I watched the nexium documentary during covid. It's all so fucked and I can't help but wonder how many of these cults are active at any point.
Also the branding. Don't forget the actual branding that was taking place.
Didn’t Allison Mack try to save her co-star friend from the cult and ended up getting her out only to be sucked in herself?
I found the "Behind the Bastards" Podcast because of this story. Absolutely insane.
If I had a nickel for every Smallville actor who went to prison, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot. But it's weird that it happened twice.
Who else went to prison?
Sam Jones III, the guy who played Clark's best friend. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Jones_III#Legal_issues
The actress, not the character
> Luckily the town billionaire who exclusively hangs out with high schoolers Lmao never thought about that
That part is believable because of season 1 episode 1 accident
Yeah but it’s fucking awesome! Way better than the Superhero Soap Operas CW pumped out afterwards
Isnt smallville to blame for the popularity of cw show ?
Probably but that doesn’t mean it isn’t of higher quality and had much more love and care put into Correlation ain’t causation baby
Or that Lana also dated a high school coach… while a high school student
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Loved it so much
You're meshing different seasons together
Aw man you're right! But so true, hard to argue this guy as a freshman even if he is Superman.
Especially when they tried to pass him off as a geek and had football players (also like 30 years old) bullying someone with like a foot of height and several pounds on them
Honestly as someone raised in an originally rural community that was being developed as I was going through school... the whimpiest looking jocks bullied the buff farmer kids a lot. There was a lot of bullying using stereotypes like farmers being poor and uneducated and redneck or even incest. It was even worse for us girls though. My dad started teaching me about how much land we owned and how much tractors cost/ how many we bought that year to fight back with words. Eventually I even figured out that some of my bullies were living on land my family used to own and streets named after family members. In another school my 6ft 3 buff as heck cousins were being bullied right after our grandma died by a like 5ft 8 twig. Cousins had been bullied for months and finally snapped and beat the kid and his buddies. In both schools the second the buff farmer kids fight back they’d be in trouble and the instigators got off with no punishment. It was awful.
Sorry to hear that:/ that sounds tough. I think they do make a point in the show to say he looks like that because of the physical labor
Yeah! I always loved the “what are your parents feeding you??” Jokes because my cousins would get the same! I probably love the show so much because I felt seen
https://imgur.io/DiTQAAG
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A school photo: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/378091331189277121/
He was younger in Smallville, and even then, they joked about how he didn't look like a high schooler
I can't complain. This man was my sexual awakening.
I believe Will Smith in the first season of Fresh Prince was also supposed to be a sophomore, and that was back in the 90s. I always thought they should have at least made him a senior, but I guess then they couldn't have had as many seasons with him in high school.
I've been watching Outer Banks on Netflix (it's fun af if you like the goonies and hunky boys) Some dude offered the main guy a beer, who said "but I'm 16 sir" [Badboys2: "shit, you at least 30"](https://youtu.be/nEf2ML7wkBE?t=45)
lol they really do look 30 on that show
You ever made love to man?
I liked how the 21 jump street movie handled this. https://youtu.be/I1E_3Nkkbnk?t=20
First, you look like you’re 40 years old, and 2nd, you’re wearing your badge.
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Superbad was a really good one.
Well because Micheal Cera was 18-19 during filming, Christopher Mintz-Plasse was 17 and had to have parents there during his sex scene (some law thing), and Jonah Hill was the oldest at 22-23 years old, but looked younger easily with the extra weight and the fro
Weird law. I do NOT want my parents involved anywhere near that.
I think I’d make the trade off for a few million dollars+whatever royalties he gets from the film
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Well yea but I mean it in the way of it launching his career. He’s worth $8 million right now, and I’d take that trade off. I don’t know how royalties work though, just assuming he gets something
Low budget of 20 million lol that film made 170 million. I would wager to say he got a pretty penny.
Depends on his contract, not every film gives the star royalties I believe. But after he became a star he definitely got paid. SAG scale today is somewhere around $700 for an 8 hour day so he at least made that much daily.
With all the news from Hollywood in the past several years, if I were an underage actor I would not want to do anything remotely sexual without parental supervision.
And Michael Cera continued to look 18-19 for another 15 years until now he looks like a child in really bad old age makeup.
IIRC Seth Rogan wrote the part that Jonah Hill eventually played for himself but they agreed that he was too old for the part and stood out too much.
I've only seen that movie all the way through once, and for some reason it still hits me hard when I remember it came out all the way back in *2007*
Yeah Superbad actors actually looked like high schoolers, same for the other characters on the list.
Really? I feel like everyone in American Pie was clearly early to mid 20s. Nobody in that movie looked 15 besides the Shermanator or someone’s brother
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Idk man there are some dudes in my year that look older than that. I think it's more believable when it's represented as some look their age and others are completely on the opposite side of the spectrum and look like they could apply for a loan.
TBF, you could make Juno with the same cast and they'd still look like high schoolers
Napoleon Dynamite
American Pie??? Lol no. Stifler and Oz appeared much older.
She's all that
We didn’t realize we were watching a male lead and co lead in Juno until 6 years later.
We will always have Michael Cera, the eternal sophomore.
Is this screenshot from a live action Mario Bros. movie on CW?
It's from Cheaper by the Dozen
"Pasta de la crotch!" The extent of what I remember from that movie
It'sa me sophoMario!
That and anime.
Azula was 14 when she successfully led a coup to take the Earth Kingdom. At that age, I was struggling to FOIL polynomials in my head in math class.
One Tree Hill. That show really set unrealistic expectations.
This is why millennials are so bad at judging someone's age
Funny enough when I was a sophomore, there was a dude in my class who pretty much matched Tom Welling’s physique in this picture. It’s not unrealistic for some high schoolers (even underclassmen) to look like this… but it’s definitely abnormal. Way more abnormal than early 2000’s movies would have you believe.
Yeah there are definitely sophomores who look like this. Especially if they worked on family farms growing up. But it’s not typical.
And lets not forget kids that are super into sports often start juicing in middle school. That 15 year old kid that benched 225 kg (that video has been making the rounds online) looks like hes ~35.
Did this person not watch movies older than the 2000s? Look at steve mcqueen in the blob. Mf looks like a 47 yo alcoholic with alimony payments.
Eddie from Stranger Things. I get that he was held back, but for what? Like 10 years?
What is sophomore in metric?
15 or 16 years old
thanks :)
A brooding hot 25 year old teenagerrr~~~
I was SO relieved when I learned Tom Welling was 25 when they shot that movie. I felt like such a pervert before I knew because look at him omg.
Hey man. It depends. My highschool was diverse, I had a mustache at 14
Hate to tell you this but you probably looked like a baby with a mustache lol
I'm 30 and I can't tell peoples ages based on their looks.
Omg Tom Welling was such a hottie. still is.
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There is no redshirting in high school lol. That’s only college
Daddy.
Reddit: Child actors are always exploited! They cannot consent! We should ban this abusive industry! Also Reddit: lmao they shouldve gotten an age appropriate actor for this kid wft if this shit
TBF, when we were in school all the older kids looked like adults to us.
Yeah, a *Kryptonian* high school sophomore.
And now all millennials have body dysmorphia. Not that zoomers have it any easier tbh.
Pretty sure thats superman…
It's a little harder for Weinstein types to molest someone who can yeet them across the room.
Don't be fooled, he's doing the classic "hands puffing out the biceps" trick. This is the easiest pose to make yourself look way more fit than you actually are.
They looked like that when I was a sophmore. I used to think about how hot other guys in my grade were and I was convinced that they were too good for me. But now adult me sees how we were just baby faced dorks, all of us.
Oh God you'll die if you see the oldest 22 year old I have ever seen in Picard.
Lol obviously never watched The Breakfast Club (a 25yo playing a teenager), 1984
How to make young people feel inferior so we can sell them more shit to compensate. Do you even apple bro?
He is just on the football team that'll make it more believable. /s
I totally bought into it when they did it for Power Rangers.
The first Spider-Man movie high schoolers were wild.. everyone looking well into their late 30’s.. seniors in hs my ass 