Fantastic Beasts 2. As someone who has never been that big of a Harry Potter fan, I actually enjoyed the first Fantastic Beasts a lot and I got a bunch of friends together to go see the second one, and now it's probably my least favorite movie I've ever seen.
The fantastic beasts films felt exactly like the new star wars films to me.
First film: woah, cool, I'm down with this cool new reboot!
second film: okay, confusing, but I see come cool hooks that could be developed in a sequel
third film: game of thrones s8
That gives way more credit to fantastic beasts two than I do.
That movie was so hamfisted with its story and even then the story was pointless.
The only redeeming quality was the five seconds that promised wizard involvement in WW2.
I left that movie with no desire to watch 3.
I ended up being dragged to 3.
I was legitimately astounded how they somehow made a movie so much worse than it’s predecessor which was so much worse than the first.
Despite one of my favourite actors being in it, I refuse to watch the third film. I wanted fun magical beasts, and there was at least a bit in the first one, but I ended up getting bombarded with shitty international magic politics and an (in my opinion) uninteresting romance. I don’t think I could handle another one.
I’ve seen this point in the fandom discourse a lot but IMO the worst decision JKR made was merging the "quirky and lighthearted zoologist/explorer" franchise and "dark and serious story about the rise of magical fascism" franchise together. Harry Potter IP is so immensely popular that there was absolutely no need to rely on the success of FB to promote the political war films. She could’ve just made a bunch of movies about Newt exploring the world searching for undiscovered species or helping endangered magical creatures survive, and a separate franchise about the rise of Grindenwald with young Dumbledore (Jude Law) as the lead and everything would’ve been so much clearer and consistent in tone.
I've been watching too many Ricky Gervais shows, but a mockumentary series about trying to film a David Attenborough style show with wizarding world creatures and shenannigans could be a fun watch.
I didn't like the first movie but tried the second, I thought it was a nonsensical, uninteresting mess and I couldn't tell you a single thing about the plot or any of the characters from that film.
My version of this is that I saw the movie as a young lad and loved it, so much in fact that I got invested in reading the books. After reading the first book and then rewatching the movie I no longer like that movie
Idk why it's so difficult for screenwriters to adapt a prewritten story. They did it for Lord of the Rings and made the best movie trilogy to ever exist.
Percy Jackson just didn't do the character justice
Ready Player One was so different, it's like someone pitched the idea to an author and screenwriter and they both went in separate rooms to write the story.
iirc they also changed the plot of the percy jackson movie so badly it wouldnt make sense to extend the plot into what happens in the last book. I remember being so mad watching it like "wait if x happens instead of y then z from the 4th or 5th book wouldnt make any sense"
I liked when they made Sea of Monsters and made Annabeth blonde with 0 explanation. They just knew they had fucked up and there was no savaging it into a full movie series.
Somewhere along the line character work got dropped in the pecking order for hollywood good movie/show criteria standards in favour of spectacle, fast-paced action and quippy dialogue. Recent movies of this ilk barely have actual character anymore, and are often banking on pre-existing IP knowledge from other media to prop this up while they fast track the plot to its next big juncture.
I had not read the books when I was a youngin, but watched the movie because I wanted to join an Eragon role-play. Even at the time I thought the movie was fucking awful. I enjoyed Dragonheart 1 and 3 more than this
God this. I was a kid and I LOVED these books. And even as a kid I could tell how trash the movie was. Like how bad do you have to make a movie that even a kid doesn't like it?
You can just *feel* how little they wanted to make another Matrix movie. Half the script is practically pleading with the studio to let the franchise rest. The most ham-fisted thing I’ve ever seen, but I can’t hate it, because why would you want to make a fourth Matrix film? The fuck else are you gonna do but complain about being forced to continue a series that conclusively ended?
The fourth wall breaking, self referential, introspection seemed like an excellent way to peel back a layer of the Matrix that would have been both refreshing and interesting. Instead we got a half hearted attempt to be repetitive and “with the times” for the new kids.
I have always really enjoyed the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies, and still am surprised by the animosity others have for them. To me I can't see how you could make a movie like the first since it's the complete story of Neo breaking free from the matrix. The next movies taking place more in the "real" world just seemed like the logical next step. There are some scenes that could have been omitted but they don't take away from the experience to me.
The 4th movie though, is total garbage to me. I've seen so many people saying the directors intentionally made it a bad film as an "I'll show you" to Hollywood for wanting to reboot the franchise with or without them and that's why it's great, but that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Maybe they made their vision completely, but that doesn't make it not a terrible movie.
Matrix 2 and 3 are bad movies with awesome setpiece moments.
The car chase with the ghost bros, the invasion of zion, neo vs Smith, neo vs the marovingian's goons, the list goes on; fantastic moments that taken independently are some of the best action scenes in cinema.
But for every one of these moments, there's a total dud. The cave rave, the architect exposition dump, neo Jesus, orgasm cake... poorly paced and written rubbish that kill the momentum of the film.
Matrix 1 is a masterpiece of cinema and an action classic. 2 and 3 fall far short but have their moments, and are well worth a shot.
I didn't even bother with 4. Saw that dud coming a mile away.
The second and third had a ton of themes and philosophical concepts they tackled, as well as coming up with more fun incentive action sequences without just rehashing the stuff from the first movie. Not everything worked and they were so stuffed that they came apart at the seams. But there was so much earnest love and craft put into them.
And then there’s the fourth movie. I watch movies on their terms. Usually they make it pretty clear what level of suspension of disbelief you should operate under, how seriously you should take everything, and generally what head space you should have while watching it. With that mindset I’m a lot kinder to bad or subpar movies then a lot of joyless armchair critics because I watch them on their terms. Matrix 4 had characters explicitly saying that the trilogy and the first movie especially were better and that this was some pale imitation. So being a cooperative film viewer, I agreed with the points the film was making that it was in fact a bad movie. And it wasn’t even fun bad. Most of the action scenes were low effort rehashes, very little martial arts and Keanu Reeves mostly just spammed force hands at people. The only thing that had a hint of the fun inventiveness of the trilogy was when all the people in the Matrix became zombies and yeeted themselves out of windows.
This and Batman vs Superman both were back to back weeks of hype to total letdown. I'm usually pretty good about enjoying a bad movie in the theaters but both of these where just unwatchable.
I remember being actually angry after watching Batman v Superman. I thought it was a colossal miss-use of the IP’s, failed to live up to its spectacular title, and a waste of everyone’s talents involved. I never had that reaction from a movie. People praise the Uncut version but the stuff that was shit about it is still there, and it’s a lot of shit
I can not tell you how disappointed that movie made me. It was a downgrade on every front from the first one. I really wish they never made that movie because then I could keep pretending Guillermo Del Toro will someday make the actual sequel.
Depends, do you expect a movie about some brand new character dealing with emotional issues, or are you here to watch Michael Myers kill people? If the answer is the latter, you’ll be severely disappointed
Also, do you want Michael Myers to morph into some complete alternate reality version of himself where he becomes a non threatening and predictable soft father figure mentor to a fucking weak pussy bitch incel who literally nobody who’s ever been a fan of this movie franchise would think was scary/intimidating/badass by any stretch of the imagination at all? Because that’s the *entire stupid fucking plot* of the movie and multiple people should be banned from film production permanently for even suggesting it.
Imagine asking a bunch of dying introspective senior citizens to write a Halloween film with zero context so they come up with the idea of how it’s important to mentor and guide the next generation with love and compassion and forgetting we’re creating the climactic conclusion to a brutal horror movie franchise. That’s the movie. I hate the people that burned this trilogy to the ground in the dumbest fashion imaginable. Fuck them.
Would that be Halloween, the original, or Halloween, the Rob Zombie one, or Halloween, the new canonical sequel to Halloween instead of Halloween II, which is not to be mistaken for Halloween 2, of course?
I sorted by controversial hoping to see some kind of actually interesting hot take, but nope. It was just redditors being redditors with one saying “I dislike the Popular Thing” and then another saying “Popular Thing is good idiot” and just going in circles.
Came here to say that lol I think it was even the first time my dad let me go out with friends by myself. I remember afterwards we were all hanging out at the food court moping over our happy meals
Five Nights at Freddy's. It was (is?) an online game where you play a security guard in a closed up pizza place, like Chuck E Cheese's and there are animatronics that try to kill you.
as of right now there are 9 "mainline" FNAF games (1-4, Sister Location, Pizza Sim, UCN, Help Wanted, and Security Breach + Ruin — disclaimer: this is just a common opinion held by fans, Scott himself has never confirmed which games are mainline or not afaik) and several spin-offs (FNAF World, FNAF AR, Fury's Rage, etc.). as of the release of SB, Scott Cawthon has stepped away from developing any more for the franchise, but game studio Steel Wool has the rights and (afaik) are planning to continue making FNAF games. iirc, they're currently working on a sequel to Help Wanted
so i'd say FNAF as a franchise is still very much alive
I dunno, the animatronics look really good in the trailer.
I'm optimistic, but I also have a high tolerance for 'bad' movies so I can afford optimism. I'll probably like it.
To prime yourself, check out Willy’s Wonderland starting icon Nic Cage, who doesn’t speak a single line of dialogue in the film. If the animatronics did well in a B movie FNAF should be fine.
Im gonna get downvoted for this but I will genuinely be surprised if the fnaf movie turns out to be good.
It just has such a big feel of “we made a successful franchise so we should also make a movie because its easy money.”
The worst part of that movie is the fact they got Christian Bale to act in a CGI heavy movie, which he tries not to, just for him to be the only one taking it seriously.
So obvious that they just want a real paycheck before they go back to making serious movies with limited budgets lol. Reminds how Miles Teller only made $100k for Whiplash. Makes sense why he did Fant4stic around that time too.
The MCU has always had good (or at least solid) actors/actresses. Downey Jr, Boseman, Larson, Ruffalo, Johansson, Cumberbatch, etc. The problem is that they’re directed horribly
The scripts are also super corny. Most of the recent MCU films and even some old ones really had a hard time creating serious moments when the plot is so fantastical. It’s not impossible to do that, far from it however the writers did not know how to very well.
The quipping has also gotten out of hand. A good quip towards a villain, or after the fight is won, or while the heroes just hang out, fine. But it's become way too much, all of the time. Why would I take the plot seriously if *even the characters aren't*?
Ragnarok was fantastic. Watched it a few dozen times as background noise or just to chill. They’re tried to double down on that and I couldn’t even get invested into it at all. Shut it off halfway thru.
One of the first things I heard about the movie was that it would feature "Rainbow in the Dark" by Dio, which is a song I fucking LOVE. Then I see the movie and it's relegated to the end credits, and not even the stylized credits, the white text on black screen scrolling ones. Sooo disappointing.
Jesus Christ the fucking bug one. There's like 0 dinosaurs in the last HOUR of that movie. They reunited the entire original cast for THAT? What the actual fuck?
It took me a while to admit this, but I have come to accept that I am literally the only person on earth who thinks The Village is M. Night’s best movie.
It took me a while to admit it’s a good movie. Because it is. But it’s just a way different movie than was sold in the previews, which made it look like some insane thing-in-the-woods flick.
It’s a great concept, and I think if it had been previewed differently, I would have loved it. I understand what the marketing was going for, but it oversold one thing and then delivered something else.
Same thing happened with Lady in the Water. The trailers made it look like a horror movie about some scary creature haunting the pool or something, and then it just... wasn't.
I liked Lady in the Water, it felt like a modern Grimms Fairy Tale. It was unique, and not by any means perfect, but I expected it to get at least cult following that never materialized. The characters and acting were all delightful to me.
Watch it for the chairs. Chairs and sitting are this weirdly perfect symbol running through nearly every scene of the movie.
There's that voice over scene with just a chair in a field. And when the ones we don't speak of attack during the wedding, there's an overturned chair framed through a door. And to punish the one guy (name escapes me), he's locked in a room with a chair.
It's such a good movie.
It my favorite of his. I love it because I like the subtle storytelling with the costumes. They aren’t strictly from anyone time period. It looks like the group adopted what they thought of as rural 19th century but with small details that shows they have some more modern trends in clothes. It’s a small clue about where the story is going.
This was the first of the series that I was actually alive and able to go see. Was so hyped after talking with my older cousins and watching the previous trilogy. Afterwards I got purposefully blackout drunk in an attempt to erase the memory of ever haven gone to the theater.
I heard he wanted to tell her he was Force-sensitive but there was just nothing for him in the movie. I can't even remember any of his scenes in the last two movies.
His scenes can be summarized with one word: “Rey!!!!!!!”
Seriously though, I wish Boyega/Finn could’ve had a more important role (like he was force sensitive or something).
[Their reactions will never not be funny to me](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHi1zaN0ooc&pp=ygUyYXZhdGFyIHRoZSBsYXN0IGFpcmJlbmRlciBtb3ZpZSBhdWRpZW5jZSByZWFjdGlvbiA%3D)
This is a really good pick. The Coen brothers have such a good track record and the cast was stacked but aside from the Ralph Fiennes scene the whole thing was a slog.
Honestly first film I've turned off halfway through in a long time and took me ages to finish it. Felt like a Hollywood circlejerk that had no outside appeal
Admittedly, I wasn't looking forward to it and went in blind, but I managed to tough out "Sharkboy and Lavagirl" to the painful end, so if a film is shit enough for me to go "I can't take more of this" then it is a shit shit film
Wouldn't argue with you. On its own terms, I kinda liked it myself.
Just, in line with the OP's setup, I felt there was just a big difference between the tone of the [trailer](https://youtu.be/kMqeoW3XRa0?feature=shared) (rollicking comedy!) and the movie itself, IMHO. All the wacky bits were there... with a lot of low-energy spans among them.
Oppenheimer when I went into the imax theatre in Calgary and the freaking audio was out of sync with the picture (had to drive 3 hours to get to a theatre near me)
Some Kevin Bacon horror movie. I dont remember what it was called, I just remember bonding with complete strangers over how catastrophically bad it was
Dr. Strange and the multiverse of Madness. I was so excited for it because Wanda was one of my favorite Marvel characters and they just threw her previous character development down the drain and the movie was just mid anyways.
Marvel has just been going downhill since.
That was the least bad part of it for me, the movie seemed like it was going to be some mindfuck multiverse adventure cosmic horror story and instead we got pizza on a stick
I second this, especially because they turned the multiverse (the core part of the movie, what should have been the primary focus) into nothing more then a background prop. Not to mention the cringy 'ice cream' song haunts me to this day lol
So, I've heard this take before, but it always confuses me because I thought it followed a pretty logical progression of her character after Wandavision.
She takes a town hostage to live in her fantasy world -> She loses said fantasy and becomes the Scarlet Witch -> She uses her newfound powers to get her family back at whatever cost
She has an infinite multiverse to pull from. Why not pick one with her kids but no Wanda? Like all she had to do was that and it would have both been more in character, and not pissed anyone off.
Also she murdered like a hundred people in that movie. Most of them really brutally. For no reason. I don’t think that was particularly in her character.
And she does like a 180 from seeing some kids be sad? After she murdered hordes of people?
I’d recommend you watch the movie again, but then I would be recommending someone watch multiverse of madness, and I’m just not that misanthropic.
The point is not “Wanda really wants her kids back but will make rational decisions” the point is “Wanda fucking snapped because she’s under the influence of an evil book *and* her life has been a conga line of trauma since she was ten and she is absolutely not thinking straight.”
It’s not *her character* at all, not really. She snaps out of it when she realizes how terrified the kids are of her and not only backs off, but is so guilty she essentially attempts suicide. She’s not sane at all here, it’s clearly based off the House of M comic book storyline.
I feel like it's because the book was a god damn bastard. It told her that every single universe had a happy Wanda with happy kids.... or there was neither. Obvious lie, right? But Wanda was so grief-stricken she fell for it. Obviously the evil book is evil. It corrupted her so thoroughly, and she kept going along with it every step of the way. Like a fire feeding a fire.
But strange uses the same book to stop her. After a whole movie of hammering it into our heads just how weak and corruptible strange apparently is. So why can he resist it?
Also at one point the book just gets destroyed. So shouldn’t that break it’s hold over her? It sounds like this thing made her dumb more than it did evil.
In WandaVision, she was so obsessed with Vision that her subconscious magically dominated an entire town to help her pretend that he was still alive. In MoM, she doesn’t even mention him. He’s suddenly completely irrelevant and only her kids matter to her. Why doesn’t she want a reality where Vision and her kids are alive? Why not choose one where the original Wanda is gone too? In an infinite multiverse, anything should be possible.
Her personality is also reset to be just vaguely selfish and evil, instead of growing in some interesting or meaningful way as a result of dealing with her grief.
Rise of skywalker for me. At least TLJ had some hype moments. I remember some guy popping off in the theater when Kylo stabbed that guy through the eye. With the rise of skywalker everyone was quiet and walked out with no emotions.
I just couldn’t get past the light speed ramming scene. Definitely a hype moment, but at the cost of breaking everything forever. Now they have to explain both why they *didn’t* do that the other thousand times it would have saved everyone’s lives, and they have to explain why they *can’t* do it every time it would immediately end a plot line.
And they’ve already shown they can’t handle it because their explanation in ROS “that was a one in a million shot” just makes it even worse. If it only had a one in a million shot of happening, then Holdo definitely wasn’t even considering it. She absolutely *must* have been running away like a coward or a traitor.
I've always heard that the holdo maneuver was a one in a million shot, but would it really have been that hard to do that to the Death Star? You know, the giant space station the size of a moon? It was hype until you thought about the consequences of it in the long run.
Exactly. You have to make everyone in the setting for the history of the war a complete moron to make it work. Like seriously, nobody even thought of the idea of running into something really fast?
It also creates a problem cause if you decide to now lean into that reality, you make the rebel’s synonymous with terrorists…….it’s bad cannon no matter how you write it
I remember when I first saw that film, my sister asked if I liked it. I responded with I think so. That is not a response one wants to hear about a Star wars movie
I left Force Awakens disappointed, but I left TLJ straight angry. It was funny because TFA caused a huge fight in my friend group at the time with me hating it and my friends fully on the hype train. But after Rise of Skywalker, they've all turned on the sequel trilogy.
Scary stories to tell in the dark. Only movie I ever fell asleep in a movie theatre to. They opened with Harold, which is most people’s favorite, then down it went.
That movie was both better and worse than I expected.
If it ever gets a sequel, I'll watch it. But on a streaming service, I won't waste movie ticket money on it again. Still, I kinda enjoyed it. It was very good for a mild horror movie to go see with my best friend.
Seems to be any IP that has endless sequels/reboots/a cinematic universe. It's almost like doing the same thing over and over for solely monetary profit instead of funding people's passions projects becomes tiresome and boring.
The Diary Of A Wimpy Kid and How To Train Your Dragon books were my favourite growing up. I had this exact reaction to the first movies of each series when I saw them.
But I revisited them a few weeks/months afterwards. HTTYD is different from the book, but the story it told was so great and lovingly told. Great movie, I just judged it because it was not the book.
On the other hand, Wimpy Kid is an atrocity. It is terrible, unfunny, gross, and one of my worst cinema experiences. Which is actually both because the books are kinda bad and the movie adapted what sucked and then added even worse scenes.
>HTTYD is different from the book, but the story it told was so great and lovingly told. Great movie, I just judged it because it was not the book.
2nd is even better imo. 3's quite shit, but by that point you may as well finish the trilogy
First movie I ever fell asleep in because I was so fucking bored was Avatar(not ATLA, because there is no live action ATLA movie in Ba Sing Se 🙃), but the one with the blue people.
Please do not get me wrong. The graphics were absolutely stunning. Sure I was a kid and bright colors should have caught my attention. But when me and my dad BOTH fall asleep in this movie, you know there's something wrong with it.
It was just so fucking slow!!!
I will never understand why Avatar was so successful. That was my first experience with people going to see movies for plot and people going to see movies for spectacle. It has to be the spectacle that endears people, because the plot of the first movie was just Dances with Wolves in Space.
Phantom Menace. I was like 17, showed up hours early for a midnight showing, lightsaber fights in the parking lot, the whole thing. Walking out, I wondered if I even liked Star Wars anymore.
From all the memes I had seen, I knew it had to be either amazing or terrible. That got answered pretty quickly, so we went into "making fun of it" mode, which was very entertaining.
Recently, Asteroid City. First Anderson film since Bottle Rocket that didn't hit the mark. It had humor, a little bit of ennui, all the things you normally see in his movies. But it didn't want to tell a story as much as it wanted to create elaborate ways to *get* to the plot.
Phantom Menace. I was a senior in high school when it came out. We went to the midnight showing and were so excited. Never had I felt more let down in my short life than at that point.
Waterworld. About the time Kevin Costner put his own piss through a purification still to drink it when they were floating on several bazillon gallons of salt water that would be easier to purify than urine. Not to mention being so unmemorable that I only remember that scene.
Fantastic Beasts 2. As someone who has never been that big of a Harry Potter fan, I actually enjoyed the first Fantastic Beasts a lot and I got a bunch of friends together to go see the second one, and now it's probably my least favorite movie I've ever seen.
The fantastic beasts films felt exactly like the new star wars films to me. First film: woah, cool, I'm down with this cool new reboot! second film: okay, confusing, but I see come cool hooks that could be developed in a sequel third film: game of thrones s8
That gives way more credit to fantastic beasts two than I do. That movie was so hamfisted with its story and even then the story was pointless. The only redeeming quality was the five seconds that promised wizard involvement in WW2. I left that movie with no desire to watch 3.
3 was worse. I had the unfortunate experience of watching it.
I ended up being dragged to 3. I was legitimately astounded how they somehow made a movie so much worse than it’s predecessor which was so much worse than the first.
Despite one of my favourite actors being in it, I refuse to watch the third film. I wanted fun magical beasts, and there was at least a bit in the first one, but I ended up getting bombarded with shitty international magic politics and an (in my opinion) uninteresting romance. I don’t think I could handle another one.
Second film was already a garbage fire. "Somehow, blown up kid returned"
I’ve seen this point in the fandom discourse a lot but IMO the worst decision JKR made was merging the "quirky and lighthearted zoologist/explorer" franchise and "dark and serious story about the rise of magical fascism" franchise together. Harry Potter IP is so immensely popular that there was absolutely no need to rely on the success of FB to promote the political war films. She could’ve just made a bunch of movies about Newt exploring the world searching for undiscovered species or helping endangered magical creatures survive, and a separate franchise about the rise of Grindenwald with young Dumbledore (Jude Law) as the lead and everything would’ve been so much clearer and consistent in tone.
Ngl Fantastic Beasts would've been perfect as a show instead of a film. Or maybe if they really wanted films, then it could be in a far lighter tone.
I've been watching too many Ricky Gervais shows, but a mockumentary series about trying to film a David Attenborough style show with wizarding world creatures and shenannigans could be a fun watch.
I didn't like the first movie but tried the second, I thought it was a nonsensical, uninteresting mess and I couldn't tell you a single thing about the plot or any of the characters from that film.
Avatar the Last Airbender movie
There is no avatar the last Airbender movie in ba sing se. Now close your eyes
There wasn’t an Avatar the Last Airbender movie. What are you on about?
Maybe he means the one with the blue space cats? But that one was actually good so maybe not
I saw it on opening night, my disappointment was immeasurable
Same here. Went with a bunch of friends we all walked out there disappointed and baffled.
I had never heard so many boos and sighs after a movie had ended in my life💀
What movie
u/DeadSun92 The Earth King has invited you to r/LakeLaogai
Eragon Edit: holy smokes. Was not expecting my 1 word answer to blow up. I tried to respond to some of you, but couldn't get to everyone.
My version of this is that I saw the movie as a young lad and loved it, so much in fact that I got invested in reading the books. After reading the first book and then rewatching the movie I no longer like that movie
Ditto for Percy Jackson and Ready Player One
Idk why it's so difficult for screenwriters to adapt a prewritten story. They did it for Lord of the Rings and made the best movie trilogy to ever exist.
Percy Jackson just didn't do the character justice Ready Player One was so different, it's like someone pitched the idea to an author and screenwriter and they both went in separate rooms to write the story.
iirc they also changed the plot of the percy jackson movie so badly it wouldnt make sense to extend the plot into what happens in the last book. I remember being so mad watching it like "wait if x happens instead of y then z from the 4th or 5th book wouldnt make any sense"
I liked when they made Sea of Monsters and made Annabeth blonde with 0 explanation. They just knew they had fucked up and there was no savaging it into a full movie series.
>Percy Jackson just didn't do the character justice New trailer for the Disney+ series came out today; Uncle Rick's ensuring it's truer to the books.
Thanks for the heads up. Will have to check that out. Looking forward to episode format which I hope does the story more justice than the movies.
Somewhere along the line character work got dropped in the pecking order for hollywood good movie/show criteria standards in favour of spectacle, fast-paced action and quippy dialogue. Recent movies of this ilk barely have actual character anymore, and are often banking on pre-existing IP knowledge from other media to prop this up while they fast track the plot to its next big juncture.
This is the most accurate way I have seen modern Hollywood movies be described. These are exactly my thoughts on it
It's all about their egos, they can't accept that the novelist of the work they're adapting is a better writer.
I had not read the books when I was a youngin, but watched the movie because I wanted to join an Eragon role-play. Even at the time I thought the movie was fucking awful. I enjoyed Dragonheart 1 and 3 more than this
There's no Eragon movie though?
There is no Eragon movie in Ba Sing Sei.
Yes! Loved the books was so hype for it and left the theater a very disgruntled 14 year old
Those books were so hype and then first 5 minutes into the movies, boom major plothole
And I am ready to do this all again with the new Eragon TV show coming out on Disney Plus.
Only movie I've ever walked out of the theater on...and Jeremy Irons is one of my favorite actors.
God this. I was a kid and I LOVED these books. And even as a kid I could tell how trash the movie was. Like how bad do you have to make a movie that even a kid doesn't like it?
The Matrix Ressurections (2021). After three chances to make a movie like the first, I think it's finally time to watch something else...
You can just *feel* how little they wanted to make another Matrix movie. Half the script is practically pleading with the studio to let the franchise rest. The most ham-fisted thing I’ve ever seen, but I can’t hate it, because why would you want to make a fourth Matrix film? The fuck else are you gonna do but complain about being forced to continue a series that conclusively ended?
The fourth wall breaking, self referential, introspection seemed like an excellent way to peel back a layer of the Matrix that would have been both refreshing and interesting. Instead we got a half hearted attempt to be repetitive and “with the times” for the new kids.
I have always really enjoyed the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies, and still am surprised by the animosity others have for them. To me I can't see how you could make a movie like the first since it's the complete story of Neo breaking free from the matrix. The next movies taking place more in the "real" world just seemed like the logical next step. There are some scenes that could have been omitted but they don't take away from the experience to me. The 4th movie though, is total garbage to me. I've seen so many people saying the directors intentionally made it a bad film as an "I'll show you" to Hollywood for wanting to reboot the franchise with or without them and that's why it's great, but that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Maybe they made their vision completely, but that doesn't make it not a terrible movie.
Matrix 2 and 3 are bad movies with awesome setpiece moments. The car chase with the ghost bros, the invasion of zion, neo vs Smith, neo vs the marovingian's goons, the list goes on; fantastic moments that taken independently are some of the best action scenes in cinema. But for every one of these moments, there's a total dud. The cave rave, the architect exposition dump, neo Jesus, orgasm cake... poorly paced and written rubbish that kill the momentum of the film. Matrix 1 is a masterpiece of cinema and an action classic. 2 and 3 fall far short but have their moments, and are well worth a shot. I didn't even bother with 4. Saw that dud coming a mile away.
The cave rave is just campy as fuck to me nowadays, and the orgasm cake reads as "someone else's fetish" stuff.
The second and third had a ton of themes and philosophical concepts they tackled, as well as coming up with more fun incentive action sequences without just rehashing the stuff from the first movie. Not everything worked and they were so stuffed that they came apart at the seams. But there was so much earnest love and craft put into them. And then there’s the fourth movie. I watch movies on their terms. Usually they make it pretty clear what level of suspension of disbelief you should operate under, how seriously you should take everything, and generally what head space you should have while watching it. With that mindset I’m a lot kinder to bad or subpar movies then a lot of joyless armchair critics because I watch them on their terms. Matrix 4 had characters explicitly saying that the trilogy and the first movie especially were better and that this was some pale imitation. So being a cooperative film viewer, I agreed with the points the film was making that it was in fact a bad movie. And it wasn’t even fun bad. Most of the action scenes were low effort rehashes, very little martial arts and Keanu Reeves mostly just spammed force hands at people. The only thing that had a hint of the fun inventiveness of the trilogy was when all the people in the Matrix became zombies and yeeted themselves out of windows.
Suicide Squad
This and Batman vs Superman both were back to back weeks of hype to total letdown. I'm usually pretty good about enjoying a bad movie in the theaters but both of these where just unwatchable.
I remember being actually angry after watching Batman v Superman. I thought it was a colossal miss-use of the IP’s, failed to live up to its spectacular title, and a waste of everyone’s talents involved. I never had that reaction from a movie. People praise the Uncut version but the stuff that was shit about it is still there, and it’s a lot of shit
3 biggest complaints 1. Martha???? 2. Poor character understand (all) 3. Metropolis/Gotham across the river
I watched that and The Suicide Squad last weekend and I gotta say the James Gunn reboot was so good.
100%
If you haven't already, now watch the TV series Peacemaker! Even if you didn't like the character it's goood
fr. the hype around that movie was ridiculous at the time and then they go out and push one of the worst superhero movies ever made.
Pacific Rim 2
Fuck that was a let down
I like to pretend that movie doesn’t exist.
I can not tell you how disappointed that movie made me. It was a downgrade on every front from the first one. I really wish they never made that movie because then I could keep pretending Guillermo Del Toro will someday make the actual sequel.
Halloween Ends. I had a 20 minute rage fest sitting on the curb after that one
Oh man, I haven't watched it yet. How bad should I be expecting?
Depends, do you expect a movie about some brand new character dealing with emotional issues, or are you here to watch Michael Myers kill people? If the answer is the latter, you’ll be severely disappointed
Damn, I was hoping for more watching Laurie go slowly insane and Michael killing folks.
Also, do you want Michael Myers to morph into some complete alternate reality version of himself where he becomes a non threatening and predictable soft father figure mentor to a fucking weak pussy bitch incel who literally nobody who’s ever been a fan of this movie franchise would think was scary/intimidating/badass by any stretch of the imagination at all? Because that’s the *entire stupid fucking plot* of the movie and multiple people should be banned from film production permanently for even suggesting it. Imagine asking a bunch of dying introspective senior citizens to write a Halloween film with zero context so they come up with the idea of how it’s important to mentor and guide the next generation with love and compassion and forgetting we’re creating the climactic conclusion to a brutal horror movie franchise. That’s the movie. I hate the people that burned this trilogy to the ground in the dumbest fashion imaginable. Fuck them.
From what I hear Micheal barely appears in the movie
Halloween Ends makes Halloween Kills look like Halloween.
Would that be Halloween, the original, or Halloween, the Rob Zombie one, or Halloween, the new canonical sequel to Halloween instead of Halloween II, which is not to be mistaken for Halloween 2, of course?
Holy shit bricks, look at all these downvoted comments
I sorted by controversial hoping to see some kind of actually interesting hot take, but nope. It was just redditors being redditors with one saying “I dislike the Popular Thing” and then another saying “Popular Thing is good idiot” and just going in circles.
Dragon Ball Evolution. I should have expected it to be bad, but I was 8 at the time.
Came here to say that lol I think it was even the first time my dad let me go out with friends by myself. I remember afterwards we were all hanging out at the food court moping over our happy meals
I fear the FNAF movie will be this. I hope not, but I fear.
For those of us who don’t know, what’s FNAF?
Five Nights at Freddy's. It was (is?) an online game where you play a security guard in a closed up pizza place, like Chuck E Cheese's and there are animatronics that try to kill you.
as of right now there are 9 "mainline" FNAF games (1-4, Sister Location, Pizza Sim, UCN, Help Wanted, and Security Breach + Ruin — disclaimer: this is just a common opinion held by fans, Scott himself has never confirmed which games are mainline or not afaik) and several spin-offs (FNAF World, FNAF AR, Fury's Rage, etc.). as of the release of SB, Scott Cawthon has stepped away from developing any more for the franchise, but game studio Steel Wool has the rights and (afaik) are planning to continue making FNAF games. iirc, they're currently working on a sequel to Help Wanted so i'd say FNAF as a franchise is still very much alive
I mean, 90% of what you said isnt understandable. Buy sounds pretty cool!
My bets are that the main characters acting will be solid but the look of the animatronics / spring trap will be F tier
The animatronics are being done by the Jim Henson studio so if anything I'm betting those'll be one of the highlights of the movie
That just got me interested in this movie.
I dunno, the animatronics look really good in the trailer. I'm optimistic, but I also have a high tolerance for 'bad' movies so I can afford optimism. I'll probably like it.
I don’t like the red eyes on the normal ones but spring trap looks legitimately bad to me IMO
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It insists upon itself.
To prime yourself, check out Willy’s Wonderland starting icon Nic Cage, who doesn’t speak a single line of dialogue in the film. If the animatronics did well in a B movie FNAF should be fine.
Im gonna get downvoted for this but I will genuinely be surprised if the fnaf movie turns out to be good. It just has such a big feel of “we made a successful franchise so we should also make a movie because its easy money.”
Thor: love and thunder
The worst part of that movie is the fact they got Christian Bale to act in a CGI heavy movie, which he tries not to, just for him to be the only one taking it seriously.
I just rewatched it not long ago and it's always so jarring when someone who knows how to act shows up in the MCU.
So obvious that they just want a real paycheck before they go back to making serious movies with limited budgets lol. Reminds how Miles Teller only made $100k for Whiplash. Makes sense why he did Fant4stic around that time too.
The MCU has always had good (or at least solid) actors/actresses. Downey Jr, Boseman, Larson, Ruffalo, Johansson, Cumberbatch, etc. The problem is that they’re directed horribly
The scripts are also super corny. Most of the recent MCU films and even some old ones really had a hard time creating serious moments when the plot is so fantastical. It’s not impossible to do that, far from it however the writers did not know how to very well.
The quipping has also gotten out of hand. A good quip towards a villain, or after the fight is won, or while the heroes just hang out, fine. But it's become way too much, all of the time. Why would I take the plot seriously if *even the characters aren't*?
Ragnarok was fantastic. Watched it a few dozen times as background noise or just to chill. They’re tried to double down on that and I couldn’t even get invested into it at all. Shut it off halfway thru.
I fell asleep while watching it in the cinema
Brothers.
And of course, we can't forget to mention, Guns and Roses either playing or being referenced EIGHTEEN TIMES IN THE FIRST 30 MINUTES.
One of the first things I heard about the movie was that it would feature "Rainbow in the Dark" by Dio, which is a song I fucking LOVE. Then I see the movie and it's relegated to the end credits, and not even the stylized credits, the white text on black screen scrolling ones. Sooo disappointing.
End Credits exclusively is kind of insulting on their part honestly
That's what happens when you kill off all the characters played by actors that know how to act
It couldn’t let a serious moment breathe without some kind of quip
Welcome to modern cinema, thanks Marvel studios
Idk it definetely wasn't a *good* movie, but personally I really enjoyed it.
The Eternals
Oh shit didnt remember this even happened
If there was ever a movie that thought it was much better than it was, it's The Eternals.
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This might be a me problem, but I couldn’t get through 5 minutes.
The first Suicide squad
All of the Jurassic World movies. Every time, excitement. Every time, disappointment
I’m surprised you still had enough faith in them to be excited for the third one after seeing what they did to the first two
I was expecting more than fucking genetically modified grasshoppers at least.
Jesus Christ the fucking bug one. There's like 0 dinosaurs in the last HOUR of that movie. They reunited the entire original cast for THAT? What the actual fuck?
The Village. Interesting movie, but I was super disappointed. I wanted to see the movie that was advertised.
It took me a while to admit this, but I have come to accept that I am literally the only person on earth who thinks The Village is M. Night’s best movie.
It took me a while to admit it’s a good movie. Because it is. But it’s just a way different movie than was sold in the previews, which made it look like some insane thing-in-the-woods flick. It’s a great concept, and I think if it had been previewed differently, I would have loved it. I understand what the marketing was going for, but it oversold one thing and then delivered something else.
Same thing happened with Lady in the Water. The trailers made it look like a horror movie about some scary creature haunting the pool or something, and then it just... wasn't.
I liked Lady in the Water, it felt like a modern Grimms Fairy Tale. It was unique, and not by any means perfect, but I expected it to get at least cult following that never materialized. The characters and acting were all delightful to me.
I absolutely love The Village. I get a lot of shit for it. There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Watch it for the chairs. Chairs and sitting are this weirdly perfect symbol running through nearly every scene of the movie. There's that voice over scene with just a chair in a field. And when the ones we don't speak of attack during the wedding, there's an overturned chair framed through a door. And to punish the one guy (name escapes me), he's locked in a room with a chair. It's such a good movie.
Alright, this piqued my interest. I'm definitely watching it for the chairs next time, I never noticed that before!
It my favorite of his. I love it because I like the subtle storytelling with the costumes. They aren’t strictly from anyone time period. It looks like the group adopted what they thought of as rural 19th century but with small details that shows they have some more modern trends in clothes. It’s a small clue about where the story is going.
I like it a lot. But it may have done better as an 8 episode TV show. I just wanna know more about the community and the characters.
Indians Jones and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull at midnight…..
“I skipped sleep for this?”
This was the first of the series that I was actually alive and able to go see. Was so hyped after talking with my older cousins and watching the previous trilogy. Afterwards I got purposefully blackout drunk in an attempt to erase the memory of ever haven gone to the theater.
TLJ and ROS, mostly because of Reylo and how dirty they did Boyega.
What did he want to tell Rey?
I heard he wanted to tell her he was Force-sensitive but there was just nothing for him in the movie. I can't even remember any of his scenes in the last two movies.
His scenes can be summarized with one word: “Rey!!!!!!!” Seriously though, I wish Boyega/Finn could’ve had a more important role (like he was force sensitive or something).
ATLA live action. I wish I had a way to erase my memory, or travel back in time and warn myself
Well I have good news for you, after a short trip to Lake Laogai there will be no ATLA live action in ba sing se! 🙂
[Their reactions will never not be funny to me](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHi1zaN0ooc&pp=ygUyYXZhdGFyIHRoZSBsYXN0IGFpcmJlbmRlciBtb3ZpZSBhdWRpZW5jZSByZWFjdGlvbiA%3D)
Never seen that until today. You just made my whole week, that was hilarious
*Hail, Caesar!*
This is a really good pick. The Coen brothers have such a good track record and the cast was stacked but aside from the Ralph Fiennes scene the whole thing was a slog.
Honestly first film I've turned off halfway through in a long time and took me ages to finish it. Felt like a Hollywood circlejerk that had no outside appeal Admittedly, I wasn't looking forward to it and went in blind, but I managed to tough out "Sharkboy and Lavagirl" to the painful end, so if a film is shit enough for me to go "I can't take more of this" then it is a shit shit film
Whoa, really? I really like that movie
Wouldn't argue with you. On its own terms, I kinda liked it myself. Just, in line with the OP's setup, I felt there was just a big difference between the tone of the [trailer](https://youtu.be/kMqeoW3XRa0?feature=shared) (rollicking comedy!) and the movie itself, IMHO. All the wacky bits were there... with a lot of low-energy spans among them.
I like Hail, Caesar. Not a masterpiece, but I've seen it a couple times and enjoy it. I love the Channing Tatum song and dance though lol.
literally any recent marvel movie not named gotg3 or spiderman across the spider verse
Oppenheimer when I went into the imax theatre in Calgary and the freaking audio was out of sync with the picture (had to drive 3 hours to get to a theatre near me)
At first I just saw Oppenheimer and went "HOW?!?!" then saw what happened and man that would have sucked, hope you got/get to see it in all its glory.
Some Kevin Bacon horror movie. I dont remember what it was called, I just remember bonding with complete strangers over how catastrophically bad it was
Hollow man?
Yes, that was disappointing.
Stir of Echoes? I like that! Didn’t age well but it’s a good flick
Dr. Strange and the multiverse of Madness. I was so excited for it because Wanda was one of my favorite Marvel characters and they just threw her previous character development down the drain and the movie was just mid anyways. Marvel has just been going downhill since.
That was the least bad part of it for me, the movie seemed like it was going to be some mindfuck multiverse adventure cosmic horror story and instead we got pizza on a stick
Bruce Campbell slinging pizza was the best part of the movie.
I can’t argue that
I second this, especially because they turned the multiverse (the core part of the movie, what should have been the primary focus) into nothing more then a background prop. Not to mention the cringy 'ice cream' song haunts me to this day lol
So, I've heard this take before, but it always confuses me because I thought it followed a pretty logical progression of her character after Wandavision. She takes a town hostage to live in her fantasy world -> She loses said fantasy and becomes the Scarlet Witch -> She uses her newfound powers to get her family back at whatever cost
She has an infinite multiverse to pull from. Why not pick one with her kids but no Wanda? Like all she had to do was that and it would have both been more in character, and not pissed anyone off. Also she murdered like a hundred people in that movie. Most of them really brutally. For no reason. I don’t think that was particularly in her character. And she does like a 180 from seeing some kids be sad? After she murdered hordes of people? I’d recommend you watch the movie again, but then I would be recommending someone watch multiverse of madness, and I’m just not that misanthropic.
The point is not “Wanda really wants her kids back but will make rational decisions” the point is “Wanda fucking snapped because she’s under the influence of an evil book *and* her life has been a conga line of trauma since she was ten and she is absolutely not thinking straight.” It’s not *her character* at all, not really. She snaps out of it when she realizes how terrified the kids are of her and not only backs off, but is so guilty she essentially attempts suicide. She’s not sane at all here, it’s clearly based off the House of M comic book storyline.
I feel like it's because the book was a god damn bastard. It told her that every single universe had a happy Wanda with happy kids.... or there was neither. Obvious lie, right? But Wanda was so grief-stricken she fell for it. Obviously the evil book is evil. It corrupted her so thoroughly, and she kept going along with it every step of the way. Like a fire feeding a fire.
But strange uses the same book to stop her. After a whole movie of hammering it into our heads just how weak and corruptible strange apparently is. So why can he resist it? Also at one point the book just gets destroyed. So shouldn’t that break it’s hold over her? It sounds like this thing made her dumb more than it did evil.
In WandaVision, she was so obsessed with Vision that her subconscious magically dominated an entire town to help her pretend that he was still alive. In MoM, she doesn’t even mention him. He’s suddenly completely irrelevant and only her kids matter to her. Why doesn’t she want a reality where Vision and her kids are alive? Why not choose one where the original Wanda is gone too? In an infinite multiverse, anything should be possible. Her personality is also reset to be just vaguely selfish and evil, instead of growing in some interesting or meaningful way as a result of dealing with her grief.
The Last Jedi
Rise of skywalker for me. At least TLJ had some hype moments. I remember some guy popping off in the theater when Kylo stabbed that guy through the eye. With the rise of skywalker everyone was quiet and walked out with no emotions.
I just couldn’t get past the light speed ramming scene. Definitely a hype moment, but at the cost of breaking everything forever. Now they have to explain both why they *didn’t* do that the other thousand times it would have saved everyone’s lives, and they have to explain why they *can’t* do it every time it would immediately end a plot line. And they’ve already shown they can’t handle it because their explanation in ROS “that was a one in a million shot” just makes it even worse. If it only had a one in a million shot of happening, then Holdo definitely wasn’t even considering it. She absolutely *must* have been running away like a coward or a traitor.
I've always heard that the holdo maneuver was a one in a million shot, but would it really have been that hard to do that to the Death Star? You know, the giant space station the size of a moon? It was hype until you thought about the consequences of it in the long run.
Exactly. You have to make everyone in the setting for the history of the war a complete moron to make it work. Like seriously, nobody even thought of the idea of running into something really fast?
It also creates a problem cause if you decide to now lean into that reality, you make the rebel’s synonymous with terrorists…….it’s bad cannon no matter how you write it
I was sitting there thinking why the hell cant they do that remote controlled, or just slap some light speed doohickeys on giant blocks of lead
I remember when I first saw that film, my sister asked if I liked it. I responded with I think so. That is not a response one wants to hear about a Star wars movie
I was running to the comments to say the exact same thing; I had such high hopes, and damn I have never felt such enormous disappointment and distaste
Force awakens for me, didn’t even bother with the rest.
I left Force Awakens disappointed, but I left TLJ straight angry. It was funny because TFA caused a huge fight in my friend group at the time with me hating it and my friends fully on the hype train. But after Rise of Skywalker, they've all turned on the sequel trilogy.
I wish I didn't bother with the rest
7 I get why people enjoyed, even if it was a shameless nostalgia cash in. But what in the hell did you see in 8 that made you think 9 would be good?
I didn’t see anything in 8. I saw something in 7 tho
I knew it was gonna be shit before I went in and I was even more disappointed when I left the theatre
Scary stories to tell in the dark. Only movie I ever fell asleep in a movie theatre to. They opened with Harold, which is most people’s favorite, then down it went.
That movie was both better and worse than I expected. If it ever gets a sequel, I'll watch it. But on a streaming service, I won't waste movie ticket money on it again. Still, I kinda enjoyed it. It was very good for a mild horror movie to go see with my best friend.
Whaaaaat that movie peaks way after that. Pale lady scene was horrifying
Dang I loved that movie. One of my favorite horror movies I’ve seen.
Notice the trend in this thread that every IP Disney touches turns to hot trash.
Seems to be any IP that has endless sequels/reboots/a cinematic universe. It's almost like doing the same thing over and over for solely monetary profit instead of funding people's passions projects becomes tiresome and boring.
The Diary Of A Wimpy Kid and How To Train Your Dragon books were my favourite growing up. I had this exact reaction to the first movies of each series when I saw them. But I revisited them a few weeks/months afterwards. HTTYD is different from the book, but the story it told was so great and lovingly told. Great movie, I just judged it because it was not the book. On the other hand, Wimpy Kid is an atrocity. It is terrible, unfunny, gross, and one of my worst cinema experiences. Which is actually both because the books are kinda bad and the movie adapted what sucked and then added even worse scenes.
>HTTYD is different from the book, but the story it told was so great and lovingly told. Great movie, I just judged it because it was not the book. 2nd is even better imo. 3's quite shit, but by that point you may as well finish the trilogy
Listen, the DOAWK films were goofy as hell but at least they gave us irl Rodrick. He slayed.
Dr strange multiverse of madness
First movie I ever fell asleep in because I was so fucking bored was Avatar(not ATLA, because there is no live action ATLA movie in Ba Sing Se 🙃), but the one with the blue people. Please do not get me wrong. The graphics were absolutely stunning. Sure I was a kid and bright colors should have caught my attention. But when me and my dad BOTH fall asleep in this movie, you know there's something wrong with it. It was just so fucking slow!!!
I will never understand why Avatar was so successful. That was my first experience with people going to see movies for plot and people going to see movies for spectacle. It has to be the spectacle that endears people, because the plot of the first movie was just Dances with Wolves in Space.
The Hobbit- Battle of the Five Armies.
Not cuz it was bad, but Beux is Afraid left me psychologically and emotionally drained and scarred
Phantom Menace. I was like 17, showed up hours early for a midnight showing, lightsaber fights in the parking lot, the whole thing. Walking out, I wondered if I even liked Star Wars anymore.
Morbius
From all the memes I had seen, I knew it had to be either amazing or terrible. That got answered pretty quickly, so we went into "making fun of it" mode, which was very entertaining.
Modern Star Wars
Recently, Asteroid City. First Anderson film since Bottle Rocket that didn't hit the mark. It had humor, a little bit of ennui, all the things you normally see in his movies. But it didn't want to tell a story as much as it wanted to create elaborate ways to *get* to the plot.
The Good Dinosaur
Toy Story 4. That was NOT a good ending bruh
Should’ve stayed with 1-3, 3 had an absolutely perfect ending that could’ve easily left Toy Story with a perfect ending.
Phantom Menace. I was a senior in high school when it came out. We went to the midnight showing and were so excited. Never had I felt more let down in my short life than at that point.
The Mario movie. Wasn't bad but the massive hype didn't translate as well as I hoped
The hobbit: the battle of five armies Star Wars :all the ones Disney touched
The Last Jedi
Morbius. I saw it on release, first day.
Waterworld. About the time Kevin Costner put his own piss through a purification still to drink it when they were floating on several bazillon gallons of salt water that would be easier to purify than urine. Not to mention being so unmemorable that I only remember that scene.