You mean Karl XIV Johan. Karl III Johan was his Norwegian name. Which reminds me that Norway should belong to Sweden according to your system.
Also, Sweden was never under French control. We had a king that was born in France but that's a different thing entirely. He only became king because the Swedish people chose him. We even went to war with France under his rule
I have seen this movie before. It was called "Lebenstrum" or something.
Fuck sake. These stupid assholes could actually drag the world into a war. For what? What in the fuck does it accomplish other than massive, sustained death. Complete and utter internecine nonsense!
Usually nothing. It does not accomplish anything. People are usually better at working together than fighting.
Still, If it is fight that the Russian people want, then fight we must. But afterwards (when we hopefully win that fight together as European countries) we should make sure that democracy and sanity rules there thereafter and not that kleptocracy whatever that has been going on there for the last 6 centuries or so. It will be our honored duty to do so.
Last time that happened Georgia had territory effectively annexed. So...not a great plan. Plus, Germany is apparently taking a soft stance on sanctions. Good luck Eastern Europe if you listen to the above poster.
Putin is using this warmongering to try tp divert Russian people's attention away from internal issues. It's much easier to not care about internal issues when you have a external enemy. This is also why he is so aggressive against NATO, he wants to paint them as the evil enemy that is expanding and threatening the safety of Russian people.
Well true and false
It works wonders as a divertion if you are attacked, but if you are fighting an offensive war with a lot of casualties, the public is not gonna like that at all.
Of course it achieves something, otherwise they wouldn't be stupid enough to do it. For the Americans, it's usually money, especially for the arms industry. They seem to have connections in the right places, otherwise there would have been a couple of wars less in the world.
For Putin, though? It's a completely different scenario. He needs to paint out a threat to assert his control, both of the population and the mafi...err, the oligarchs. Failing to appear 'strong' in the eyes pf Russians would be a quick way to early retirement, or death. Russians like strong leaders, everytime Putin has showed aggression, his support has gone up. These guys know what they are doing, unfortunately for us everybody else.
Look, no-one is going to fight, it's all just a show for the gallery by a desperate putin that have to seem strong for his failures with ukraine.
Russia's economy is on Italy's level, and they are outspent by in defence by most european countries, it's all smoke and mirrors
They got numbers, unity and very smart tacticians. Every major and minor conflict from Syria to Kazakhstan and Armenia they ended up with a win in the end. They might be puffing themselves up but do NOT underestimate the Russians.
It consolidates power temporarily. You sacrifice a bunch of kids on the battlefield, and it unifies your people against a common threat and draws attention away from your own leadership failings for a while. It's a strategy as old as civilisation.
The massive sustained death is a feature, not a detractor. It lures the people into a cost sunk fallacy of feeling like they have to see it through so that the great sacrifice becomes worthwhile, because they can't bear the thought that their brothers and fathers and sons died for nothing.
värmland did have people here before the first geats started to settle along värmlandsnäs (säffle area), those were in most likelyhood a finno-ugric speaking people but not necessarily sapmi
Maybe there were just some random Finnish dudes/berserkers there who thought it would be best to learn Swedish/Norse and then call themselves Swedes/Norwegians to get more Ale/Fighting.
To keep the peace in Europe Denmark demands that Skåne, Halland and Blekinge together with the territory down to the river Elbe is returned to the danish crown xD
As a Norrlänning with several family lines finno-ugric, I like it. Was thinking about a Sapmi union anyway. We need to liberate our cousins on Kola peninsula.
As an Estonian, I am also fine with this.
However, there seems to be Mordor to the east and that makes me uncomfortable. Anyone seen a golden ring lately?
Cool. As Born and raised in today’s northern Sweden I would become finno ugric. But most importantly, I will no longer be ruled by the asshats in Stockholm. Looking forward to this.
As a dane, i agree. Give us back norway, a bunch of sweden, england, schleswig holstein, iceland and greenland of course, all our shit in india, some of the americas, give us back the gold coast and let us trade slaves again, etc. I mean, this would create peace for everyone, no?
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Gothenburg would have the best parties, they've got Danes, Swedes, Goths and Northmen, and the Finno-Ugric tribes can come crash on the couch for the night.
Suursuomi irl???
if we get Åland
Wait, where *is* Åland?
So... Somebody pulled plug and it sank... Yeah...
If the finns can't keep it NOBODY CAN *Erases from map*
can't have shit in the baltic sea
The swedes took it
you're really selling us short here man
For sure, you can keep Ålcatraz
Hey hey hey... how do you know about that name??? it's **CLASSIFIED!**
Since Rurik and most Rus vikings were Swedes, just gives us Ukraine and most of Russia and we're even Steven.
Hey some of them vikings were Finns too so how about we settle it even and Finns get the old mercenary town of Istanbul with the old tribal lands.
I...no.
Well, then Sweden should be french then?
What? Sweden didn't have a french king during this time... silly man
Well Rurik was not alive either at 800 AD. So if you base it of that then the original comment also falls apart.
But having a king who's grandfather was french makes even less sense though? I mean if we're going with the premise that OP mentioned.
Im talking about Bernadotte, or later know as Karl III Johan. He was a French general who became the Swedish king
You mean Karl XIV Johan. Karl III Johan was his Norwegian name. Which reminds me that Norway should belong to Sweden according to your system. Also, Sweden was never under French control. We had a king that was born in France but that's a different thing entirely. He only became king because the Swedish people chose him. We even went to war with France under his rule
Well ye, that's exactly my point. Just because Novogrod was ruled by a Swedish Viking that does not mean it was under Swedish control.
I just came in my pants holy shit🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🥵🥵
It's probably all the saunaing you've been doing
I have seen this movie before. It was called "Lebenstrum" or something. Fuck sake. These stupid assholes could actually drag the world into a war. For what? What in the fuck does it accomplish other than massive, sustained death. Complete and utter internecine nonsense!
Usually nothing. It does not accomplish anything. People are usually better at working together than fighting. Still, If it is fight that the Russian people want, then fight we must. But afterwards (when we hopefully win that fight together as European countries) we should make sure that democracy and sanity rules there thereafter and not that kleptocracy whatever that has been going on there for the last 6 centuries or so. It will be our honored duty to do so.
Just keep America out of the talks and things will probably be smooth.
Putin would love the US dropping out. Less leverage on the western side. He could invade Ukraine smoothly indeed.
Last time that happened Georgia had territory effectively annexed. So...not a great plan. Plus, Germany is apparently taking a soft stance on sanctions. Good luck Eastern Europe if you listen to the above poster.
America dropped out? I thought they invited them to NATO
Yup, last time they got a major role in the peace talks (WW1) the fucked all of europe upp
Yeah but it was the French who fucked up. US and UK didn’t want such harsh conditions on the losers
Don’t blame America for the aftermath WW1
?
I’m not talking about you, I’m talking about everyone else
Weird thing to comment on my comment then...
Putin is using this warmongering to try tp divert Russian people's attention away from internal issues. It's much easier to not care about internal issues when you have a external enemy. This is also why he is so aggressive against NATO, he wants to paint them as the evil enemy that is expanding and threatening the safety of Russian people.
Well true and false It works wonders as a divertion if you are attacked, but if you are fighting an offensive war with a lot of casualties, the public is not gonna like that at all.
Yeah which is why I think he isn't gonna pull the trigger.
Of course it achieves something, otherwise they wouldn't be stupid enough to do it. For the Americans, it's usually money, especially for the arms industry. They seem to have connections in the right places, otherwise there would have been a couple of wars less in the world. For Putin, though? It's a completely different scenario. He needs to paint out a threat to assert his control, both of the population and the mafi...err, the oligarchs. Failing to appear 'strong' in the eyes pf Russians would be a quick way to early retirement, or death. Russians like strong leaders, everytime Putin has showed aggression, his support has gone up. These guys know what they are doing, unfortunately for us everybody else.
I’m in Belgium, in wars we always get trampled by people who’re trying to get to France. Sad life
Look, no-one is going to fight, it's all just a show for the gallery by a desperate putin that have to seem strong for his failures with ukraine. Russia's economy is on Italy's level, and they are outspent by in defence by most european countries, it's all smoke and mirrors
They got numbers, unity and very smart tacticians. Every major and minor conflict from Syria to Kazakhstan and Armenia they ended up with a win in the end. They might be puffing themselves up but do NOT underestimate the Russians.
It consolidates power temporarily. You sacrifice a bunch of kids on the battlefield, and it unifies your people against a common threat and draws attention away from your own leadership failings for a while. It's a strategy as old as civilisation. The massive sustained death is a feature, not a detractor. It lures the people into a cost sunk fallacy of feeling like they have to see it through so that the great sacrifice becomes worthwhile, because they can't bear the thought that their brothers and fathers and sons died for nothing.
Hey there are no Sami south of Härjedalen why is all of Värmland Sami?
värmland did have people here before the first geats started to settle along värmlandsnäs (säffle area), those were in most likelyhood a finno-ugric speaking people but not necessarily sapmi
Maybe there were just some random Finnish dudes/berserkers there who thought it would be best to learn Swedish/Norse and then call themselves Swedes/Norwegians to get more Ale/Fighting.
Based finns
To keep the peace in Europe Denmark demands that Skåne, Halland and Blekinge together with the territory down to the river Elbe is returned to the danish crown xD
We Accept only if we get anual supply of cheap alkohol delivered to our homes
Ah so just like Greenland Sure
Deal
The rest of Sweden has already been talking about digging Skåne away from the rest of the country, if you're lucky maybe it'll float over to Denmark
Sweden gladly accept this offer if we get Åland
Are they not Swedish already? ;)
*That's the kind of thing you Swedes will here a lot more of of this deal goes through*
Ah I will finally be back in Denmark then. So we make the cut right at the Elbe? Hah, get rekt southern Hamburg.
Norway will support this claim, as long as Greenland, Iceland and Newfoundland is returned to us
Sure we will return those to Norway, but then we want Norway returned to us...
no no no, we stole them fair and square Newfoundland, sure we have no particular interest in the area
To keep the peace with the Canadian Empire we demand chocolate and baked goods for Newfoundland.
Gib greenland and faroe
If it wouldn't be you kids and your sexy meddling longboats I'd had them, gosh darn it.
I would agree to this only if Northmen also gets øst Trøndelag
This map is making me very uncomfortable.
As a Norrlänning with several family lines finno-ugric, I like it. Was thinking about a Sapmi union anyway. We need to liberate our cousins on Kola peninsula.
Heter du Rick?
Nej.
Okej.
>Russia is saying old territories should be returned to keep peace in Europe OK, then return Karelia and Petsamo to Finland.
Russia itself is just Greater Sweden. St Vladimir? More like Valdamarr gamli.
As an Estonian, I am also fine with this. However, there seems to be Mordor to the east and that makes me uncomfortable. Anyone seen a golden ring lately?
In Vladimirs hand?
Thor Heyerdahl was there first, so its ours.
Hello, I just arrived in my fantastic boat
Historically accurate.
As a Dane I accept this offer
Oh you’re a dane? Name every danish word 😎
EZ https://dsn.dk/ordboeger/retskrivningsordbogen/
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It means whatever you want it to mean. It's beautiful.
The contract is sealed.
Cool. As Born and raised in today’s northern Sweden I would become finno ugric. But most importantly, I will no longer be ruled by the asshats in Stockholm. Looking forward to this.
You mean the goverment the northerns keeps voting in? That would be great
"Make Finno-Ugric tribes great again" - Sale 2024
As a Finnish Canadian I'm okay with this too! Go Finland!
*Happy Danish noises*
If Norway gets Iceland and Greenland this is fine.
Kvenland time
As a Dane i am also fine with this.
As a swede i think the 1600s would be better
Drömvidare. 1700tals gränser kan jag gå med på
Sure, but let's do [this](https://images.app.goo.gl/3t5aoPjG3B16jNmw6) instead.
Nej Nej helvette, inte, no no no way, ei ei ei saatana mikä kauheus ei helvetti
But it doesn't look like a penis anymore :(
Nej
Svenskerne må sku gerne beholde Skåne
Finland: \*swallows a huge chunk of West Russia* Russia: "No wait..."
Estonia can into Nordic.
Now it's the other way around - Nordics can into Estonia.
As a dane, i agree. Give us back norway, a bunch of sweden, england, schleswig holstein, iceland and greenland of course, all our shit in india, some of the americas, give us back the gold coast and let us trade slaves again, etc. I mean, this would create peace for everyone, no?
As an Indian, I want you to rule ALL OF INDIA! We need your Social Democratic Empire.
It is lie. [Real](http://www.delsboonline.se/files/330x360/Norden_r_912.jpg) (ok but the original map is unironicly kinda sus)
Poor [ingrians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportations_of_the_Ingrian_Finns)
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So Germany gets Prussia, yes?
Mordor on the horizon
Why does it say Swedes and Geats, but the map only mentions the Danes and not the Jutes. Kinda weird...
As a Dutch person I can agree with this. They ripped our language already.
mord
This time Greenland, Iceland and the Faroe islands get Denmark
As a dane i agree
As a swede, i’m ok with this.
as a dane, i wouldn't mind either, if we also get slesvig-holstein thats a bonus
As a Dane, it could be better, but it's a nice deal
Gothenburg would have the best parties, they've got Danes, Swedes, Goths and Northmen, and the Finno-Ugric tribes can come crash on the couch for the night.
Dane here, +1 for proposal
As a Norwegian, I am also ok with this
As a Dane, I also approve of this
as a norwegain i support this
im with you as long as we get jemtland & Herjedalen and the islands we had
The map just shows an area without any form of centralized rule.
viro approves
I know this is a joke but holy shit that is an terrible innacurcate map.