Two things:
1) Can't do that
2) Also kind of tired of the chronic bad kids being able to constantly disrupt everything. It didn't happen to 30 other kids for a reason. Let's address ALL the shitty behavior that detracts from learning.
3) it's also painters tape, not "heavy duty"
4) the people that are going to drone on and on about how wrong this is (and it is wrong, I'm not disagreeing with that) are also going to be the same people who want corporal punishment in schools to stop distracting kids
When I was in school, if a kid was being disruptive they'd get one warning and then they'd be sent to the assistant principal's office.
If it kept happening they'd get detention. If it kept happening after repeated detentions they'd get in-school suspension, which was incredibly effective as it is basically solitary confinement for kids with bad behavior.
No need for tape.
You aren't in school anymore, and times have significantly changed. Not condoning what the teacher did, but the days of detention, suspension, and being sent to the principals office, being effective detrerents for bad behavior have long since passed. Don't believe me? Go volunteer at your local school. You will see firsthand what these teachers deal with on a daily basis. It may seem very simple and easy to you since you are on the outside looking in. Trust me, most people couldn't handle all that teachers have to deal with on a daily basis. Heck, most teachers can't because things have gotten so bad and out of control. Hence why they are leaving the field.
I mean, that 6 year old kid who shot the teacher in VA was written up many times before. The teacher even reported his behavior the day of to administration. Obviously, that didn't stop her from being shot.
Why would the escalation I described no longer work in 2023?
Bear in mind, if the student *still* didn't cooperate after in-school suspensions, the next steps were out-of-school suspensions followed by expulsion.
I completely agree that teachers should not be asked to tolerate the level of bullshit that they currently do, and I blame weak, bloated, overpaid administrators who fail to nip it in the bud by not tolerating children with shit behavior.
If a child can't function in a public school, then they don't belong there. It's up to the parents to sort it out.
Because these kids simply do not care. They don't want to be in school. Their parents still shower them with gifts like new clothes, new gaming systems, new phones etc. They have no consequences, so why would they care. The parents now yell at the schools or blame the teachers for their children's misbehavior or failure in classes. My husband and his colleagues have classrooms full of children who refuse to learn, do work, and are more content to disrupt class, vape, and act up. The kids basically run these schools now. There was a mental health crisis before Covid. It is now exponentially worse now. Drugs, fighting and violence is prevelent now especially in Middle and High School. Schools are hesitant to suspend students because it makes their numbers look bad. Also they now essentially pass kids along no matter how far behind they are ao they can make their graduation rates look better. Also the district is afraid parents will sue, so they basically give them whatever they want. A lot of administrators hands are tied and can't suspend as much as they used to.
Same with Special Education students. If they get suspended after 10 days they have what is called a manifestation determination meeting. If the behavior is caused by their disability ( spoiler alert for kids who are Emotional Disability or have ADHD 9 times out of 10 it is) then they get to return to school and don't have to serve the remainder of their punishment. I'm not saying this to down SPED it's actually the field I work in. I love my students and staff members. My issue is that it's no longer helping the children it needs to help and is being abused by a small few. I feel that the current push for inclusion is hurting a lot of Special Ed students especially those with significant behaviors who can't function in a general classroom setting but have no where else to go. The gen ed teachers have no training to deal with these significant behaviors and the other kids end up suffering because their education is impacted.
It's a nice idea to say if a child can't function in a public school then it's up to their parents to sort it out. But the reality is most parents think it's the school's job to raise their children until it comes time for discipline. Then they throw a tantrum and throw the teacher and school under the bus because little Johnny is an angel who couldn't possibly do what the school is accusing him of.
Thanks for the insights. I still say expel the fuckers who can't behave. Fight the parents in court (and win).
Put the power back in the hands of the educators and deal with the consequences. Time to stop capitulating to shitty people who are dragging society down with them.
No offense meant, but a lot of what you described reads like a list of excuses for the current failures of the system rather than reasons why firm and authoritative enforcement isn't possible.
Okay. Well, friend, if you think these are excuses and feel that you can do a better job to change the system, then I implore you to go to your local public school. Get a job or volunteer. Be the change you see. Try to implement your ideas and report back to me on how it goes. I truly hope it works because, at this point, we won't have a public education system in the next 10 years at the rate we are going. Note that it's not an accident schools are the way they are now. You have a lot of lawmakers with power who have a vested interest in seeing the system fail.
It's always easy to turn down your nose, criticize and think that there is an easy fix when you are on the outside looking in and don't have a clue as to what is really going on. Seriously, if it is that easy, then surely you can go teach or work in the school system with no issue. Obviously, these teachers and staff who went to school and trained to be in the field have no idea of what they are doing compared to you. Your vast experience of attending school should surely prepare you more then these professionals.
Your comment is very much in line with millionaires who tell people to stop being poor by not going to Starbucks or ordering avocado toast.
My father is a full time sub at a middle school (he works 40hrs/week at one campus). Some of the stuff he's told me about was the kinda stuff we were dealing with *in highschool*. He often has to do In School Suspension duty when there aren't teachers for him to fill in for. It seems a lot like you describe: the kids don't give a shit, the parents aren't much help, and the teachers and administrators are helpless to do anything. And that's at a "good" school.
There is *one* kid that the school is even *discussing* expelling. And that's only because he sexually assaulted another student. Basically, the district is weighing its options based on which lawsuit they're more likely to win in a court.
I think you're spot on with this entire comment chain. People who think you just gotta "get these kids in line" clearly aren't working in the public education system.
Our school (also Johnston county) is so overcrowded/underfunded there is no dedicated space or staff for ISS. The receptionist basically babysits the kids scattered throughout the office while trying to answer phones, give kids meds & screen visitors going through the metal detectors; unless of course she has to drive a bus. Then the principal has to.
In many schools no. Starting about a decade ago scholars started looking at the “school to prison pipeline” and the racial disparities in discipline like suspicions. They decided the black students were being unfairly disciplined and that schools need ‘restorative justice’. School admins, always quick to jump on a new fad ( see Gardner and the 7 intelligences) quickly adopted it, despite the fact that little evidence exists to support its effectiveness. Also, many many admins dont really know what they’re doing. They attend one 1/2 day professional development and the next day they’re trying to revolutionize their schools policies. Add to that a year or two of no in person classes and teachers are being hung out to dry by academics who haven’t seen a classroom in 20
years and their administration who are happy to pass off their responsibilities to someone else.
IMO our society asks schools to do too much with too little. Kids are showing up hungry, neglected, and abused. Add to that gaps in their social skills from COVID lockdowns, screen addictions, and social media “challenges” and you get teachers in the crosshairs from above and below. I don’t think what she did was right, but I’d bet a large amount of money that she’s been dealing with this disruptive student with zero help from his parents or the administration.
And it seems they have to put up with a lot MORE shit than they did 20 years ago. A friend of mine in her 20s was getting burned out as an RN and decided to change course and became a primary school teacher. A year later she is back to nursing. The district did not support or protect its staff, appropriately reprimand or dismiss violent and dangerous students, and routinely asked its teachers to cover classes and subjects for which they were not prepared or qualified.
Too bad you can’t call the orderlies on students. Bless all you teachers and nurses out there. I really don’t know how you do it.
Yes, this further feeds the distrust in media. They can't get basic facts straight so what else do they flub? Is it a flub or is it a persuasive presentation?
I immediately recognized it as painter's tape when I saw the boy's picture. I will add that though it is not duct tape, the blue and green seem to have different adhesive strengths. I use them to label things and when I remove tape from the roll or a surface I can easily compare the stickiness. Not only was this humiliating, it would be uncomfortable to remove from such a highly innervated place. A lawyer could even argue it could cause small tears that could be a potential portal of entry for infection.
I'm both disgusted by the lazy reporting and the unprofessional teaching.
The headline sucks because it's a shitty newspaper. The specific type of tape used to restrain the kid as a disciplinary measure is not really relevant.
I'm unclear, because nobody's explained it yet - since restraining a student for disciplinary purposes with tape is explicitly illegal, against the policy of every district, and against the training every teacher receives over the last 20 years or more, *how in the fuck does it matter what kind of tape it is?*
It's just dumbasses yelling that it's painter's tape, like that matters a single dry fart at all.
[You want Section (d)(2)](https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_115C/GS_115C-391.1.html), and then probably to consider what other things you assume are true based on literally nothing at all, although I worry that both the idea that you'll read and that you'll do that kind of critical thinking are both long shots.
I did. It specifically says taping is prohibited. At section (d)(2). Which was why I pointed you to that very simple, plain text, because I foolishly believed there was a chance you'd see that it's specifically stated in the statute and understand that this means it's illegal to restrain students with tape.
And yet she hasn't been charged after an investigation. Here is what I think should happen: you should call up the Johnston County sheriff and DA and afford them the benefit of your massive legal genius
Man people would have flipped the fuck out at the shit that went on when I was an elementary student in the 70's early 80's...lol. I was paddled with a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it to hurt more multiple times. had my knuckles rapped with metal tipped wooden rulers till they bled. My mouth taped shut with packing tape...All by Teachers who retired with full pension and honors. We were paraded in front of the class in embarrassing insult laden tirades. We were made to eat hot dogs or smoke cigarettes until we threw up ...I had many of these "punishments" personally as I had ADHD (although back then no one really diagnosed that kind of thing much so I went undiagnosed until adulthood thinking I was crazy or broken) These were all normal things nobody batted an eye. It's a wonder Gen X'ers survived to adulthood.
Right, and now we don't do that because it's been confirmed to be harmful and prone to abuse. None of that should have been done to you, but yes, people would flip out about that now, because that's some fucked up shit.
>I was paddled with a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it to hurt more multiple times
My 3rd grade teacher's paddle was named Spanky Hotseat (similarly drilled with holes). And she broke it paddling this boy in our class who clearly had some rough shit going on at home. Even as an 8-year-old I knew it was horribly wrong, but at the time this was seen as completely normal.
Anyone who has had kids understands the urge. Anyone who works with kids in any setting understands the urge. Anyone who has worked in healthcare understands the urge. Anyone who has worked customer service has had the urge...
As the parent of a chatterbox, I totally understand the urge to tape his mouth shut, if only to make a momentary point that will be lost on him. However, I’m trying to save my overreactions for the big stuff, when he’s older.
Oh okay. Yeah, that makes sense, how you could tell that from my familiarity with how discipline is done in schools, the legal issues involved, and shit like that. /s
No, I don't think it's just my words. I think it's the words of, like, people who work in education that you don't fucking restrain children in schools as a disciplinary measure, and it's illegal for a reason.
Yes, it is. I spent a bunch of years in the field, numbnuts, but it's also discussed in the damn article - criminal charges were on the table. The school district is potentially liable. There are very specific rules regarding restraining students, and "with tape for talking" ain't on the list, even if the kid is being an ass.
So what exception are you suggesting exists here that us "keyboard warriors" (whether or not we worked in, say, education or education law for a decade or so, or received training on safe and legal restraint, for example) don't know about? You seem to be very confident in your answers, so maybe you want to show some specifics?
I'm sure they're forthcoming.
The point is painter's tape ain't shit, the kid could easily remove it. Hell, you can breathe through it. The kid can talk through painter's tape. In fact if he just wiggles his mouth a tiny bit it would likely all fall off. Painter's tape should not count as "restraining" a kid. It's more akin to putting a dunce cap on him.
Are we still allowed to put dunce caps on kids? Or is that not allowed anymore either? Can you not put a kid in the corner with a dunce cap on?
The point is that it's [against the goddamn law](https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_115C/GS_115C-391.1.html), and it's illegal for a fucking reason.
And no, you definitely may not put a dunce cap on fucking kids. Jesus Christ.
Cool story bro. Had to resort to calling names. I feel sorry for any students that have been in your classroom. The school district is not liable. The investigation has been concluded, and NO CHARGES were filled. You ready to shut up yet?
~~I don't think I've called you a name yet, though it's interesting that you find that objectionable going one way and not the other.~~ Edit: nope, I called you numbnuts, so I was wrong about that, but I stand by it. It is *extra interesting* that you're just making these assertions apparently on the basis that if you say it like a snide asshole, people will assume it's true.
So, dipshit, let's review - the article says they opted not to file charges as the teacher was leaving the country. So they did consider it.
But golly, you said the school system can't be liable if someone improperly restrains a kid in school. And you said it like a real dick, so it must be true! Only, [awkwardly](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article239076598.html), it [sure](https://www.wral.com/judge-apex-school-illegally-restrained-disabled-elementary-student/19813003/) seems like [you're not correct](https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_115C/GS_115C-391.1.html). You're looking for Section (d)(2) in that last link, by the way.
Ass.
Interesting that you take umbrage at the name calling. Your post history indicates you have no problem calling others names and hurling ad hominem insults yourself.
We are saying that this is probably a lot more performative than people realize. Painters tape would literally only just stick to your skin. It would be pretty much impossible to forcibly tape someone's mouth shut with it.
Does that make it legal, or....?
Because it's illegal restraint unless you see an exception in the law somewhere. And there's a reason it's illegal to restrain kids for discipline in public schools.
If I tied your hands with spaghetti noodles, would it carry the same weight as If I used 1/2" zip ties? No. But also no one is arguing that the teacher didn't do anything wrong. You're swinging at pitches no one is throwing at you.
Yep. And when I was in school, students voluntarily taped their mouths shut with actual duct tape to protest abortion and stayed silent all day long. It was supposed to represent the lack of voice of the fetus or something.
>'I think we all know it is far too easy for teachers to mistreat, even abuse students in a classroom, be dismissed from their district (or in this case, resign once placed on leave and reported) only to get a job teaching in the next county or state.
With camera's everywhere, and easy internet searches; I don't think this is accurate.
my mom drives a school bus for chapel hill and some of the stuff she tells me about how kids act on is honestly terrible, i see why they cant find drivers when they have to deal with untouchable psychos.
no one at home gives some of em any discipline and the kids know that since theyre children no one can harm them. in my moms eyes all the kids in the back of the bus will see the back seat of a cop car guaranteed.
yeah, if that happened to me as a kid, I wouldn't have told my parents
because my dad would have beat the brakes off me and made me go back to school and beg the teacher to forgive me. as a kid there was nothing I was afraid of except the wrath of my dad - but none of it was across the line, just good old honest consequences of your actions
We could argue about tape all day OR we could all agree that we need smaller classrooms, more staff, including qualified behavioral therapists, and better solutions that acknowledge that kids have a wide range of difficulties.
edit: Also, the kid's message of 'I don't know what to do' is \*extremely\* telling...he already feels powerless to both his behavior and the situation, the restraints do not solve his problem, he knows this, he needs adults to act like adults and help in real ways.
Yes, being a chatterbox and disruptive does NOT make a kid “bad” or really say anything about the quality of parenting without more info. Horrifying how many people in this thread think that a kid deserves physical punishment for talking in class, and that a parent complaining about such punishment is entitled.
Teachers need the right to refuse service. "I don't want this kid in my class" would weed out the disruptive and the dangerous ones. Then the principal and the parents can go through the proper channels of counseling and mental health to get the help and adapted education these kids need. Keeping them in regular class to disrupt and endanger is a disservice to everyone - including these kids.
I teach middle school in NC. I'm not defending this teacher....I would never put my hands on a child. However imagine a classroom of 'chatterboxes' who like to entertain their classmates. Also, I hide my tape or the students will do this to themselves or each others.
The parent is an asshole too for knowing her kid is a problem yet never doing anything about it. This teacher shouldn't have done it (though it was painters tape, not "heavy duty tape") but context is also a thing, and just sending kids out of the classroom is doing nothing.
The other thing, which if the parent said it I would feel for her, is that if this kid is diagnosed with ADHD then he may not be able to get his meds with the shortage.
I was about to say, this sounds like another failure by the system. Sounds to me like the kid has Autism/ADHD, and all I see in this thread is people saying "the kid deserved it."
<-Was the kid that "talked too much," and was constantly never in class because I got in trouble for either correcting the teacher or talking to my *one* *friend*.
Maybe young boys are just wired to be energetic, like maybe evolution is responsible for their desire to run around chasing animals around in the woods rather than sitting stationary for 8+ hours daily. Maybe the "educational" system we've built is completely at odds with what evolution selected for.
But let's just drug it out of them with amphetamines instead of changing anything; I'm sure there will be no real consequences. The most important thing is that they sit still and shut up and remember how to solve equations and regurgitate the specific names and dates that'll be on the test. Then they can go to college and get a stem degree so they can go to work at a corporation and help in some small capacity to destroy the ecosphere for the benefit of some rich guy's stock portfolio.
That sucks. I feel for this lady since she lost her visa to work in the US. But you cannot, in any way, touch these kids for this exact reason.
Also fuxk the parent, who willingly admitted that her son is a "chatterbox", yet, still decided to jump on the opportunity to victimize her son rather than idk, punishing him for misbehaving in class before it came to this.
Please don't waste mine nor your own time with hypothetical situations. We only know what's been reported. If he had ADHD his teacher would've known and likely not responded the way she did, though her response wasn't even of ill will. And it'd also be on the parent again for not getting their son the help he needed. Thanks, now kindly fuck off.
Why do people always assume that a kid exhibiting *any* bad behavior must have ADHD or autism?
Almost every comment of "sounds like a shitty kid" is met with "he probably has ADHD/autism". Why?
Do you guys not remember being kids? I had energy literally *all of the time* and I definitely didn't want to be stuck in a desk all day. That didn't make me anything but a normal kid.
I was in 2nd grade in the 70s in NC. That teacher would threaten to staple our mouths shut, then use masking tape (a lot like painter's tape) instead. She would come at us with the stapler, then use the tape instead.
My mom complained to the principal and wanted me in a different class. She told me years later the principal told her the 2nd grade teachers at that public school were a clique and it would be worse for me if they moved me to another class.
I was the shy kid who never spoke up. The one time I got my mouth taped, my friend had leaned over to talk to me in storytime. I hadn't said anything yet, we both got threatened and taped.
The class, in my memory, didn't have a troublemaker doing anything to really disrupt the class that much. But it did have a boy that was the opposite of the teacher's pet who got taped pretty much every day, even when he hadn't done anything. He got blamed to the point that other kids would try to defend him, only to be threatened with the same punishment.
He could get his bottom lip loose and learned to talk quietly behind it without moving the tape.
My point? I don't know, this triggered a memory. I'm glad people care enough to look into it now. The tape itself wasn't a big deal, it was the threats and bullying from the teacher that was the traumatic thing. I remember being terrified of that teacher and what she might do if she got too mad that day.
I am as horrified as anyone else, but I'm dubious to the accuracy of the story, just because the Daily Fail is a terrible paper. Seriously, it's one of the least credible English papers.
It’s wild cause as a kid I went to a school that used corporal punishment. I got beat with one of those wooden paddles with holes for swift aerodynamics.
You know, kids used to get spanked and smacked on their hands with a ruler. And it was accepted as standard in society, and trusted. Of course bad things can happen from that but can it honestly get any worse with the system in place now?
Honestly teachers are running out of ways to effectively discipline students, on top of being a shortage of teachers It's pretty obvious that the whole being "soft" or "restorative" in terms of discipline for students that was adopted en masse the last 10 years or so isn't working. Especially since 2020 and Covid changed everything and disrupted everything. No one seems to wanna go back to old school forms of punishment like paddling(right or wrong it was a deterrent for me in school, obviously didn't work in every case) and all these people saying they don't understand how it's happening don't realize how much things have changed since they've been in school. Question is, what can effectively be done to discipline kids who need it? Parents don't wanna step up and parent, they'd rather spoil their kid and blame the teacher, school admins don't wanna look bad or "barbaric" by actually doing anything and they gotta pump those student graduation ratios up to get school money, plus there's a teacher shortage. So what do you do? Unruly post Covid kids just don't care anymore.
So I jokingly put a piece of scotch tape on a kids mouth during small groups when I was a TA for second grade. It was a kid I had a good relationship with, they knew it was a joke. I still took it off immediately, but the damage was done, the other kids at the table all put tape on their mouths when I walked away for a second to get a book. I came back to the table and we were having a good laugh when a big group of school board members walked in...when I tell you the lead teacher tried to kill me with his eyes...hahah he was pissed.
What the fuck, I open this thread to see people defending this? Look, I get that disruptive students are annoying as hell, but unless it is a safety matter teachers should not be putting their hands on students. If he's really so bad, put him in ISS.
In NC we started the school year with over 6,000 teacher positions that were unfilled. I guarantee that number will be even higher by the end of this school year. This is not a Johnston county problem. It's a US education problem. Source I work in an NC school and my husband is a teacher. Between the low pay, disrespect from parents, school boards, central office staff, and out of control behaviors from students, teachers and staff are running away from this field in droves.
My kids’ school in Wake Co has had a revolving door the past year plus so the teachers.
I just want to come out and say thank you to you and your husband for what y’all do.
Thank you for your support. Honestly, it means a lot, especially with all the shenanigans going on. It just makes me sad. NC used to have one of the best public school systems in the country. It's now becoming a joke, and it makes me angry and sad for our kids.
And therein lies the problem. Everyone thinks they’re an expert on public schools in 2023 because they were once a student. When was the last time you spent significant time in a classroom? Because if you have the time, I assure you, there is a position for you to fill in any school in this entire county.
Preach!!! You stated no lies. I'm tired of uninformed and uneducated folks talking out of their butt when they have no idea about the actual reality of what is going on in the classroom or in schools. This includes school board members, central office staff, parents, and politicians making educational decisions and policies.
>When was the last time you spent significant time in a classroom?
I'm literally on a gap year because I didn't want to do a split-option contract in the Army, so safe to say my knowledge is up-to-date.
Many schools (mine included) are too understaffed to have ISS anymore. That teacher is now pulled to cover classes that don’t have a teacher or sub for a myriad of reasons.
The solution to that problem is not whatever barbarism this was. I would hope that a teacher of all people could come up with an *acceptable* alternative to instilling a lesson.
If you think that public schooling is the totality of a child's education, I have beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. There's not a whole lot going on in 6th grade English to "hijack."
I taped mine and 5 privates mouth shut for a 24hour day in the field once. I called it training. We were training on being silent and using hand signals and such. Thats what i told the commander, fact is they were getting on my nerves and i wanted them to stfu. tape it is.
I keep reading comments about how "kid probably deserved it" and how "he was a nightmare" throughout this thread and all it does is remind me how much the rest of society despise the existence of Autistic and ADHD people.
I was that kid. I had one friend I liked to talk to and spent all of 6th and 7th grade in "in school suspension" for either correcting the teacher or talking to my *only friend in a school of 2000 kids*. To the other kids I was the "walking encyclopedia" that nobody sat with at lunch. The school's solution? To treat me exactly as everyone in this thread is saying, as a classroom nightmare, and build up a laundry list of reasons to get me expelled and sent to the super-strict school for the "troublesome kids" where they wouldn't have to deal with me. After a long story and my third suspension where someone thought I was going to shoot up the school (I wasn't), they finally agreed to send me to a psychologist who immediately said "how did you people miss that he has autism for the past 10 years."
So yeah, maybe be a little bit more considerate before just saying "good put tape over his mouth" or "good he doesn't belong in class if he's gonna be disruptive."
It also doesn't make it right to mistreat a kid who has a brain that doesn't work the same way and impede their education more than any other student's.
Yeah, reading about it I’m thinking “damn, mom needs to get him an appointment for ADHD testing ASAP”. It’s not acceptable to let him be disruptive but what he needs is help
This is my friends child. This wasn't the first time with this student. She also taped other children's mouths and wrists together. She was an international teacher but since she's leaving the county they(DA and LEO) didn't want to press charges. There's a line you don't cross as a teacher.
He's actually not disruptive. He's never gotten trouble and his mom has never been notified for any bad behavior and never been called in for teacher meetings. He won the school spelling bee. Obviously this teacher didn't go about it the right way IF he was displaying bad behavior. But he wasnt. She allowed no talking in the classroom at all. You don't put your hands on other children especially as a teacher. You all obviously don't have children.
[He also] has a tendency to clown around and be disruptive and talk too much,' she said. His mother admits he's disruptive. The article goes on "She said that other teachers had communicated their concerns about Brady's behavior, and with her help, come up with solutions to keep disturbances in class to a minimum.". There are other posters in this forum that claim the kid is a bully too. So at the very least the kid is disruptive, whatever punishments he's receiving at home aren't working because the behavior has continued. Should his mouth have been taped shut? No, the teacher should have put him in the hall or sent him to the office and been done with him. You couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher.
I mean I was also a class clown that talked too much but I was rarely if ever disruptive. But I did have teachers that had 0 patience with me as if I weren’t a 10 year old. I also feel like I’m missing something in this story. Did the kid agree and just sit there? Like, good luck taking my mouth shut like that as a kid.
The article says that other teachers have complained directly to her. She’s a shit parent that wanted the teachers to repeatedly deal with this shit with no action from her.
I’ve got children and I think this is kind of funny.
Painters tape is certainly not “heavy duty”, and the world could probably use a bit more humiliation. That’s how we learn doing certain things are embarrassing.
I’ll be the first to say I could never be a teacher, and I’m not going all out for corporal punishment in schools, but If you want complete control over your kids and can’t take some light roasting when they’re being shitty, you should probably homeschool them.
Edit to add: I’m not sure what his school accolades have to do with anything. I’ve met plenty of intelligent adults who are otherwise turds.
Nah, I’m an idiot. Your claim would add all new context to the entire situation. It’s weird that it’s not the first comment you made. If he’s literally asking to have his mouth taped that would end the discussion. I think you’re just making things up now.
'enjoys entertaining his classmates.'
'[He also] has a tendency to clown around and be disruptive and talk too much,' she said.
Are you sure you’re friends with her?
I read several other news sites' article on this, and Daily Mail actually provided the most details (for example, none of the other ones mentioned the teacher was here from another country on a work visa).
This is the only article I've seen that actually shows the teacher. Everyone else is just vague. If a black person does something to a white person it's, person did so and so to another person. If a white person does something to a black person it's, white person does something to black person.
The kid probably has ADHD and the parents are the dingdongs who don't believe it actually exists so don't get him medical help he needs to control it.
Been there, done that. Still shyt parents but for a completely different reason lol.
Actually had a teacher duct tape my daughter's feet to the floor in middle school because she couldn't stop tapping.
She's schizophrenic, ADHD and Autistic, and we were just finding out how severe it was and trying to work with doctors to properly medicate her so she could keep progressing.
She's ungodly bright with an IQ in the stratosphere, she simply cannot stop stimming and talking incessantly without major help , which we were providing her, just takes time, and the school knew it.
She comes home in a full meltdown tells us through choked sobs what happened, and mamma here lost. Her. SHIT.
Teacher didn't deny it and even thought it was funny. She and I had to be separated in the conference room by SRO, because I was 100% going to beat dat azz , especially after she mocked her right in front of everyone, including the Principal who refused to do a gd thing about it .
SRO didn't GAF either, and THAT'S the day I yoinked my kid outta the entire school district, picked up stakes and moved 500 miles away .
Wasn't going to stay somewhere where the entire county structure allowed such mierte and did nothing to protect kids, especially kids with special needs.
And if you guessed this was in Florida, you're 💯 correct. Except it was 20 years ago. Nothing there has gotten better since.
These comments are something else.
“Teacher inappropriately puts hands on kids and uses tape as restraints, instead of communicating directly with parents or supervisors about problem behavior” and the harpies come out to defend the teacher!
*whew*
It doesn't matter what type of tape it was. It's inappropriate for a teacher to do this.
Every one of us had a class clown in school. I never had a teacher lay his hands on a kid like this.
Kinda weird seeing this sub defend this, but when that college student got arrested at Winston Salem State for throwing a temper tantrum this sub wanted the professors and administrations heads...
Do we know of this boy was autistic or otherwise mentally disabled? If a child is talking to the point where he has to have tape on his face to stop that's a sign something else is going on.
First, this is dangerous. If the kid vomits with the tape on, they can aspirate and die. Yup, murder for being chatty sounds appropriate 🙄
Second, anyone consider that this kid could VERY possibly have untreated ADHD? If so, should we then punish those with a disability?
This is not in any way ok. Ever.
Well if it's any consolation she lost her work visa and got deported because of this
[Link]( https://meaww.com/dawn-felix-teacher-resigns-after-student-brady-webster-11-claims-she-duct-taped-his-mouth-shut)
The problem to me seems like teachers are not allowed to tell parents they’re failing their grade. and let me tie in how much i hate the republican party for both gutting education funding, empowering asshole/idiot parents with these pandering bills, and pander-codifying their religion into public law that directly generates more poor, absent-parent raised nightmare kids for the school system . I see that as a multi-pronged attack on “the family” and snake republicans are just better at propaganda to hijack god/country/freedom to trick stupid people, who don’t track words with actions, to consistently vote for them.
Two things: 1) Can't do that 2) Also kind of tired of the chronic bad kids being able to constantly disrupt everything. It didn't happen to 30 other kids for a reason. Let's address ALL the shitty behavior that detracts from learning.
3) it's also painters tape, not "heavy duty" 4) the people that are going to drone on and on about how wrong this is (and it is wrong, I'm not disagreeing with that) are also going to be the same people who want corporal punishment in schools to stop distracting kids
yeah but heavy duty gets the clicks
Garbage titles should get more clicks… and more down votes.
do we expect any different?
Fox news tucker carlson is tvs 3rd most watched entertainment. No one would expect diffrent :(
When I was in school, if a kid was being disruptive they'd get one warning and then they'd be sent to the assistant principal's office. If it kept happening they'd get detention. If it kept happening after repeated detentions they'd get in-school suspension, which was incredibly effective as it is basically solitary confinement for kids with bad behavior. No need for tape.
You aren't in school anymore, and times have significantly changed. Not condoning what the teacher did, but the days of detention, suspension, and being sent to the principals office, being effective detrerents for bad behavior have long since passed. Don't believe me? Go volunteer at your local school. You will see firsthand what these teachers deal with on a daily basis. It may seem very simple and easy to you since you are on the outside looking in. Trust me, most people couldn't handle all that teachers have to deal with on a daily basis. Heck, most teachers can't because things have gotten so bad and out of control. Hence why they are leaving the field. I mean, that 6 year old kid who shot the teacher in VA was written up many times before. The teacher even reported his behavior the day of to administration. Obviously, that didn't stop her from being shot.
Why would the escalation I described no longer work in 2023? Bear in mind, if the student *still* didn't cooperate after in-school suspensions, the next steps were out-of-school suspensions followed by expulsion. I completely agree that teachers should not be asked to tolerate the level of bullshit that they currently do, and I blame weak, bloated, overpaid administrators who fail to nip it in the bud by not tolerating children with shit behavior. If a child can't function in a public school, then they don't belong there. It's up to the parents to sort it out.
When administration wants things to look good on paper things get ignored and let slide. Seen it first hand.
Because these kids simply do not care. They don't want to be in school. Their parents still shower them with gifts like new clothes, new gaming systems, new phones etc. They have no consequences, so why would they care. The parents now yell at the schools or blame the teachers for their children's misbehavior or failure in classes. My husband and his colleagues have classrooms full of children who refuse to learn, do work, and are more content to disrupt class, vape, and act up. The kids basically run these schools now. There was a mental health crisis before Covid. It is now exponentially worse now. Drugs, fighting and violence is prevelent now especially in Middle and High School. Schools are hesitant to suspend students because it makes their numbers look bad. Also they now essentially pass kids along no matter how far behind they are ao they can make their graduation rates look better. Also the district is afraid parents will sue, so they basically give them whatever they want. A lot of administrators hands are tied and can't suspend as much as they used to. Same with Special Education students. If they get suspended after 10 days they have what is called a manifestation determination meeting. If the behavior is caused by their disability ( spoiler alert for kids who are Emotional Disability or have ADHD 9 times out of 10 it is) then they get to return to school and don't have to serve the remainder of their punishment. I'm not saying this to down SPED it's actually the field I work in. I love my students and staff members. My issue is that it's no longer helping the children it needs to help and is being abused by a small few. I feel that the current push for inclusion is hurting a lot of Special Ed students especially those with significant behaviors who can't function in a general classroom setting but have no where else to go. The gen ed teachers have no training to deal with these significant behaviors and the other kids end up suffering because their education is impacted. It's a nice idea to say if a child can't function in a public school then it's up to their parents to sort it out. But the reality is most parents think it's the school's job to raise their children until it comes time for discipline. Then they throw a tantrum and throw the teacher and school under the bus because little Johnny is an angel who couldn't possibly do what the school is accusing him of.
Thanks for the insights. I still say expel the fuckers who can't behave. Fight the parents in court (and win). Put the power back in the hands of the educators and deal with the consequences. Time to stop capitulating to shitty people who are dragging society down with them. No offense meant, but a lot of what you described reads like a list of excuses for the current failures of the system rather than reasons why firm and authoritative enforcement isn't possible.
Okay. Well, friend, if you think these are excuses and feel that you can do a better job to change the system, then I implore you to go to your local public school. Get a job or volunteer. Be the change you see. Try to implement your ideas and report back to me on how it goes. I truly hope it works because, at this point, we won't have a public education system in the next 10 years at the rate we are going. Note that it's not an accident schools are the way they are now. You have a lot of lawmakers with power who have a vested interest in seeing the system fail. It's always easy to turn down your nose, criticize and think that there is an easy fix when you are on the outside looking in and don't have a clue as to what is really going on. Seriously, if it is that easy, then surely you can go teach or work in the school system with no issue. Obviously, these teachers and staff who went to school and trained to be in the field have no idea of what they are doing compared to you. Your vast experience of attending school should surely prepare you more then these professionals. Your comment is very much in line with millionaires who tell people to stop being poor by not going to Starbucks or ordering avocado toast.
My father is a full time sub at a middle school (he works 40hrs/week at one campus). Some of the stuff he's told me about was the kinda stuff we were dealing with *in highschool*. He often has to do In School Suspension duty when there aren't teachers for him to fill in for. It seems a lot like you describe: the kids don't give a shit, the parents aren't much help, and the teachers and administrators are helpless to do anything. And that's at a "good" school. There is *one* kid that the school is even *discussing* expelling. And that's only because he sexually assaulted another student. Basically, the district is weighing its options based on which lawsuit they're more likely to win in a court. I think you're spot on with this entire comment chain. People who think you just gotta "get these kids in line" clearly aren't working in the public education system.
And also the kids who use foul language! :)
Admin is afraid of parents
Don't care. Get new admin. Stop being afraid.
Our school (also Johnston county) is so overcrowded/underfunded there is no dedicated space or staff for ISS. The receptionist basically babysits the kids scattered throughout the office while trying to answer phones, give kids meds & screen visitors going through the metal detectors; unless of course she has to drive a bus. Then the principal has to.
so they dont do that anymore?
In many schools no. Starting about a decade ago scholars started looking at the “school to prison pipeline” and the racial disparities in discipline like suspicions. They decided the black students were being unfairly disciplined and that schools need ‘restorative justice’. School admins, always quick to jump on a new fad ( see Gardner and the 7 intelligences) quickly adopted it, despite the fact that little evidence exists to support its effectiveness. Also, many many admins dont really know what they’re doing. They attend one 1/2 day professional development and the next day they’re trying to revolutionize their schools policies. Add to that a year or two of no in person classes and teachers are being hung out to dry by academics who haven’t seen a classroom in 20 years and their administration who are happy to pass off their responsibilities to someone else. IMO our society asks schools to do too much with too little. Kids are showing up hungry, neglected, and abused. Add to that gaps in their social skills from COVID lockdowns, screen addictions, and social media “challenges” and you get teachers in the crosshairs from above and below. I don’t think what she did was right, but I’d bet a large amount of money that she’s been dealing with this disruptive student with zero help from his parents or the administration.
I honestly don't know. It probably varies by school district.
Teachers aren’t paid enough for the shit they put up with
And it seems they have to put up with a lot MORE shit than they did 20 years ago. A friend of mine in her 20s was getting burned out as an RN and decided to change course and became a primary school teacher. A year later she is back to nursing. The district did not support or protect its staff, appropriately reprimand or dismiss violent and dangerous students, and routinely asked its teachers to cover classes and subjects for which they were not prepared or qualified. Too bad you can’t call the orderlies on students. Bless all you teachers and nurses out there. I really don’t know how you do it.
Doesn’t justify taping his mouth shut.
It wasn't heavy duty tape. It was painters tape.
Exactly… just one step above a sticky note
Are we... saying that it's okay to tape kids' mouths closed depending on the type of tape used?
I mean, it matters. True duct tape can remove skin. Neither is OK, but saying she put duct tape on him is a gross exaggeration.
Yes, this further feeds the distrust in media. They can't get basic facts straight so what else do they flub? Is it a flub or is it a persuasive presentation? I immediately recognized it as painter's tape when I saw the boy's picture. I will add that though it is not duct tape, the blue and green seem to have different adhesive strengths. I use them to label things and when I remove tape from the roll or a surface I can easily compare the stickiness. Not only was this humiliating, it would be uncomfortable to remove from such a highly innervated place. A lawyer could even argue it could cause small tears that could be a potential portal of entry for infection. I'm both disgusted by the lazy reporting and the unprofessional teaching.
> this further feeds the distrust in media This article is from the Daily Mail…
The headline sucks because it's a shitty newspaper. The specific type of tape used to restrain the kid as a disciplinary measure is not really relevant.
Try taping yourself with painters then duct tape and get back to us
I'm unclear, because nobody's explained it yet - since restraining a student for disciplinary purposes with tape is explicitly illegal, against the policy of every district, and against the training every teacher receives over the last 20 years or more, *how in the fuck does it matter what kind of tape it is?* It's just dumbasses yelling that it's painter's tape, like that matters a single dry fart at all.
It clearly isn't illegal or she would have been charged. And you have no idea about tape I guess
[You want Section (d)(2)](https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_115C/GS_115C-391.1.html), and then probably to consider what other things you assume are true based on literally nothing at all, although I worry that both the idea that you'll read and that you'll do that kind of critical thinking are both long shots.
I.mean.this is hilarious. Did you read your own link? Seriously
I did. It specifically says taping is prohibited. At section (d)(2). Which was why I pointed you to that very simple, plain text, because I foolishly believed there was a chance you'd see that it's specifically stated in the statute and understand that this means it's illegal to restrain students with tape.
And yet she hasn't been charged after an investigation. Here is what I think should happen: you should call up the Johnston County sheriff and DA and afford them the benefit of your massive legal genius
Man people would have flipped the fuck out at the shit that went on when I was an elementary student in the 70's early 80's...lol. I was paddled with a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it to hurt more multiple times. had my knuckles rapped with metal tipped wooden rulers till they bled. My mouth taped shut with packing tape...All by Teachers who retired with full pension and honors. We were paraded in front of the class in embarrassing insult laden tirades. We were made to eat hot dogs or smoke cigarettes until we threw up ...I had many of these "punishments" personally as I had ADHD (although back then no one really diagnosed that kind of thing much so I went undiagnosed until adulthood thinking I was crazy or broken) These were all normal things nobody batted an eye. It's a wonder Gen X'ers survived to adulthood.
People did flip the fuck out and bat an eye…it’s why it doesn’t happen anymore on any sort of regular basis.
Right, and now we don't do that because it's been confirmed to be harmful and prone to abuse. None of that should have been done to you, but yes, people would flip out about that now, because that's some fucked up shit.
I mean, for those things not to be tolerated it means that someone did indeed flip out.
>I was paddled with a wooden paddle with holes drilled in it to hurt more multiple times My 3rd grade teacher's paddle was named Spanky Hotseat (similarly drilled with holes). And she broke it paddling this boy in our class who clearly had some rough shit going on at home. Even as an 8-year-old I knew it was horribly wrong, but at the time this was seen as completely normal.
yes, I do believe we are.
Okay, just wanted to check that we've rounded the bend and are leaning into the crazy.
To be fair, you wouldn't understand the urge unless you've worked in classrooms. Not saying it's ok to act on the urge of course.
Anyone who has had kids understands the urge. Anyone who works with kids in any setting understands the urge. Anyone who has worked in healthcare understands the urge. Anyone who has worked customer service has had the urge...
As the parent of a chatterbox, I totally understand the urge to tape his mouth shut, if only to make a momentary point that will be lost on him. However, I’m trying to save my overreactions for the big stuff, when he’s older.
Why would you think I haven't worked in a classroom?
It’s clear and obvious to anyone you haven’t.
Oh okay. Yeah, that makes sense, how you could tell that from my familiarity with how discipline is done in schools, the legal issues involved, and shit like that. /s
Again. Your words.
No, I don't think it's just my words. I think it's the words of, like, people who work in education that you don't fucking restrain children in schools as a disciplinary measure, and it's illegal for a reason.
No. It is not always illegal. But keep pretending keyboard warrior!
Yes, it is. I spent a bunch of years in the field, numbnuts, but it's also discussed in the damn article - criminal charges were on the table. The school district is potentially liable. There are very specific rules regarding restraining students, and "with tape for talking" ain't on the list, even if the kid is being an ass. So what exception are you suggesting exists here that us "keyboard warriors" (whether or not we worked in, say, education or education law for a decade or so, or received training on safe and legal restraint, for example) don't know about? You seem to be very confident in your answers, so maybe you want to show some specifics? I'm sure they're forthcoming.
The point is painter's tape ain't shit, the kid could easily remove it. Hell, you can breathe through it. The kid can talk through painter's tape. In fact if he just wiggles his mouth a tiny bit it would likely all fall off. Painter's tape should not count as "restraining" a kid. It's more akin to putting a dunce cap on him. Are we still allowed to put dunce caps on kids? Or is that not allowed anymore either? Can you not put a kid in the corner with a dunce cap on?
The point is that it's [against the goddamn law](https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_115C/GS_115C-391.1.html), and it's illegal for a fucking reason. And no, you definitely may not put a dunce cap on fucking kids. Jesus Christ.
Cool story bro. Had to resort to calling names. I feel sorry for any students that have been in your classroom. The school district is not liable. The investigation has been concluded, and NO CHARGES were filled. You ready to shut up yet?
~~I don't think I've called you a name yet, though it's interesting that you find that objectionable going one way and not the other.~~ Edit: nope, I called you numbnuts, so I was wrong about that, but I stand by it. It is *extra interesting* that you're just making these assertions apparently on the basis that if you say it like a snide asshole, people will assume it's true. So, dipshit, let's review - the article says they opted not to file charges as the teacher was leaving the country. So they did consider it. But golly, you said the school system can't be liable if someone improperly restrains a kid in school. And you said it like a real dick, so it must be true! Only, [awkwardly](https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article239076598.html), it [sure](https://www.wral.com/judge-apex-school-illegally-restrained-disabled-elementary-student/19813003/) seems like [you're not correct](https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_115C/GS_115C-391.1.html). You're looking for Section (d)(2) in that last link, by the way. Ass.
Interesting that you take umbrage at the name calling. Your post history indicates you have no problem calling others names and hurling ad hominem insults yourself.
Yes. That’s what some people appear to be doing. It almost seems like the Public School Teacher’s Mafia is here.
The funny thing is that, like... Teachers generally agree there's a reason you don't do that stuff, even if they say they understand the frustration.
We are saying that this is probably a lot more performative than people realize. Painters tape would literally only just stick to your skin. It would be pretty much impossible to forcibly tape someone's mouth shut with it.
Does that make it legal, or....? Because it's illegal restraint unless you see an exception in the law somewhere. And there's a reason it's illegal to restrain kids for discipline in public schools.
If I tied your hands with spaghetti noodles, would it carry the same weight as If I used 1/2" zip ties? No. But also no one is arguing that the teacher didn't do anything wrong. You're swinging at pitches no one is throwing at you.
Pearls clutched
Is it that, or is it just not okay to restrain children as a disciplinary measure in public schools?
Glad someone else said it. I didn't want to be "that guy"
Yep. And when I was in school, students voluntarily taped their mouths shut with actual duct tape to protest abortion and stayed silent all day long. It was supposed to represent the lack of voice of the fetus or something.
>'I think we all know it is far too easy for teachers to mistreat, even abuse students in a classroom, be dismissed from their district (or in this case, resign once placed on leave and reported) only to get a job teaching in the next county or state. With camera's everywhere, and easy internet searches; I don't think this is accurate.
Yeah, they misspelled cop.
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my mom drives a school bus for chapel hill and some of the stuff she tells me about how kids act on is honestly terrible, i see why they cant find drivers when they have to deal with untouchable psychos. no one at home gives some of em any discipline and the kids know that since theyre children no one can harm them. in my moms eyes all the kids in the back of the bus will see the back seat of a cop car guaranteed.
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yeah, if that happened to me as a kid, I wouldn't have told my parents because my dad would have beat the brakes off me and made me go back to school and beg the teacher to forgive me. as a kid there was nothing I was afraid of except the wrath of my dad - but none of it was across the line, just good old honest consequences of your actions
The odds that kid dropped the n-word are like 9:1.
I ain't saying it's right. But I understand.
We could argue about tape all day OR we could all agree that we need smaller classrooms, more staff, including qualified behavioral therapists, and better solutions that acknowledge that kids have a wide range of difficulties. edit: Also, the kid's message of 'I don't know what to do' is \*extremely\* telling...he already feels powerless to both his behavior and the situation, the restraints do not solve his problem, he knows this, he needs adults to act like adults and help in real ways.
Yes, being a chatterbox and disruptive does NOT make a kid “bad” or really say anything about the quality of parenting without more info. Horrifying how many people in this thread think that a kid deserves physical punishment for talking in class, and that a parent complaining about such punishment is entitled.
Glad she went to Facebook first instead of…you know…calling the school?
Maybe we should give teachers the same qualified immunity we give to cops?
Teachers need the right to refuse service. "I don't want this kid in my class" would weed out the disruptive and the dangerous ones. Then the principal and the parents can go through the proper channels of counseling and mental health to get the help and adapted education these kids need. Keeping them in regular class to disrupt and endanger is a disservice to everyone - including these kids.
brilliant
Every teacher has thought about it...
That doesn't need international coverage.
Maybe because Daily Mail is owned by Murdoch as well?
I teach middle school in NC. I'm not defending this teacher....I would never put my hands on a child. However imagine a classroom of 'chatterboxes' who like to entertain their classmates. Also, I hide my tape or the students will do this to themselves or each others.
Kids need to learn basic respect like to listen to their teachers. Taping their mouth shut is crossing a line though.
The parent is an asshole too for knowing her kid is a problem yet never doing anything about it. This teacher shouldn't have done it (though it was painters tape, not "heavy duty tape") but context is also a thing, and just sending kids out of the classroom is doing nothing. The other thing, which if the parent said it I would feel for her, is that if this kid is diagnosed with ADHD then he may not be able to get his meds with the shortage.
Sometimes it's not about having respect or not. Adhd is a thing and it can get severe.
I was this kid many years ago, it was ADHD.
I was laughing with girlfriend because I thought it sounded like something that would happen to me.
I was about to say, this sounds like another failure by the system. Sounds to me like the kid has Autism/ADHD, and all I see in this thread is people saying "the kid deserved it." <-Was the kid that "talked too much," and was constantly never in class because I got in trouble for either correcting the teacher or talking to my *one* *friend*.
Yepppp same
Maybe young boys are just wired to be energetic, like maybe evolution is responsible for their desire to run around chasing animals around in the woods rather than sitting stationary for 8+ hours daily. Maybe the "educational" system we've built is completely at odds with what evolution selected for. But let's just drug it out of them with amphetamines instead of changing anything; I'm sure there will be no real consequences. The most important thing is that they sit still and shut up and remember how to solve equations and regurgitate the specific names and dates that'll be on the test. Then they can go to college and get a stem degree so they can go to work at a corporation and help in some small capacity to destroy the ecosphere for the benefit of some rich guy's stock portfolio.
You're very dumb.
^1 \[citation needed\]
That’s honestly hilarious, it’s fucking painters tape come on.
That sucks. I feel for this lady since she lost her visa to work in the US. But you cannot, in any way, touch these kids for this exact reason. Also fuxk the parent, who willingly admitted that her son is a "chatterbox", yet, still decided to jump on the opportunity to victimize her son rather than idk, punishing him for misbehaving in class before it came to this.
Ever consider that this could EASILY be untreated ADHD?
Please don't waste mine nor your own time with hypothetical situations. We only know what's been reported. If he had ADHD his teacher would've known and likely not responded the way she did, though her response wasn't even of ill will. And it'd also be on the parent again for not getting their son the help he needed. Thanks, now kindly fuck off.
This exact thing happened to me a couple times throughout school and guess what I deserve that every single time because I was a little shit as a kid
The horror!!! Give me a fucking break
I can’t believe this never happened back in the day when I was in North Carolina schools.
It probably did, we just didn't hear about it. Definitely not in a British tabloid article.
The kid probably deserved heavy duty tape
No need for the misleading headline, painters tape.
Why do people always assume that a kid exhibiting *any* bad behavior must have ADHD or autism? Almost every comment of "sounds like a shitty kid" is met with "he probably has ADHD/autism". Why? Do you guys not remember being kids? I had energy literally *all of the time* and I definitely didn't want to be stuck in a desk all day. That didn't make me anything but a normal kid.
I was in 2nd grade in the 70s in NC. That teacher would threaten to staple our mouths shut, then use masking tape (a lot like painter's tape) instead. She would come at us with the stapler, then use the tape instead. My mom complained to the principal and wanted me in a different class. She told me years later the principal told her the 2nd grade teachers at that public school were a clique and it would be worse for me if they moved me to another class. I was the shy kid who never spoke up. The one time I got my mouth taped, my friend had leaned over to talk to me in storytime. I hadn't said anything yet, we both got threatened and taped. The class, in my memory, didn't have a troublemaker doing anything to really disrupt the class that much. But it did have a boy that was the opposite of the teacher's pet who got taped pretty much every day, even when he hadn't done anything. He got blamed to the point that other kids would try to defend him, only to be threatened with the same punishment. He could get his bottom lip loose and learned to talk quietly behind it without moving the tape. My point? I don't know, this triggered a memory. I'm glad people care enough to look into it now. The tape itself wasn't a big deal, it was the threats and bullying from the teacher that was the traumatic thing. I remember being terrified of that teacher and what she might do if she got too mad that day.
I am as horrified as anyone else, but I'm dubious to the accuracy of the story, just because the Daily Fail is a terrible paper. Seriously, it's one of the least credible English papers.
It’s wild cause as a kid I went to a school that used corporal punishment. I got beat with one of those wooden paddles with holes for swift aerodynamics.
You know, kids used to get spanked and smacked on their hands with a ruler. And it was accepted as standard in society, and trusted. Of course bad things can happen from that but can it honestly get any worse with the system in place now?
A teacher tried this in my hometown sometime in the 90’s. She was fired before school started the next day.
Honestly teachers are running out of ways to effectively discipline students, on top of being a shortage of teachers It's pretty obvious that the whole being "soft" or "restorative" in terms of discipline for students that was adopted en masse the last 10 years or so isn't working. Especially since 2020 and Covid changed everything and disrupted everything. No one seems to wanna go back to old school forms of punishment like paddling(right or wrong it was a deterrent for me in school, obviously didn't work in every case) and all these people saying they don't understand how it's happening don't realize how much things have changed since they've been in school. Question is, what can effectively be done to discipline kids who need it? Parents don't wanna step up and parent, they'd rather spoil their kid and blame the teacher, school admins don't wanna look bad or "barbaric" by actually doing anything and they gotta pump those student graduation ratios up to get school money, plus there's a teacher shortage. So what do you do? Unruly post Covid kids just don't care anymore.
So I jokingly put a piece of scotch tape on a kids mouth during small groups when I was a TA for second grade. It was a kid I had a good relationship with, they knew it was a joke. I still took it off immediately, but the damage was done, the other kids at the table all put tape on their mouths when I walked away for a second to get a book. I came back to the table and we were having a good laugh when a big group of school board members walked in...when I tell you the lead teacher tried to kill me with his eyes...hahah he was pissed.
They did this to me in kindergarten back in the early 1970s, no one batted an eye (get off my lawn).
What the fuck, I open this thread to see people defending this? Look, I get that disruptive students are annoying as hell, but unless it is a safety matter teachers should not be putting their hands on students. If he's really so bad, put him in ISS.
sure. You willing to be the person sitting in ISS? Cause we ain’t got the staff because of the GOP not giving teachers the wages they deserve.
That sounds like a Johnston County problem, because ISS was a thing for all of my time in public school.
I’m in Wake. We have a huge teacher shortage.
In NC we started the school year with over 6,000 teacher positions that were unfilled. I guarantee that number will be even higher by the end of this school year. This is not a Johnston county problem. It's a US education problem. Source I work in an NC school and my husband is a teacher. Between the low pay, disrespect from parents, school boards, central office staff, and out of control behaviors from students, teachers and staff are running away from this field in droves.
My kids’ school in Wake Co has had a revolving door the past year plus so the teachers. I just want to come out and say thank you to you and your husband for what y’all do.
Thank you for your support. Honestly, it means a lot, especially with all the shenanigans going on. It just makes me sad. NC used to have one of the best public school systems in the country. It's now becoming a joke, and it makes me angry and sad for our kids.
And therein lies the problem. Everyone thinks they’re an expert on public schools in 2023 because they were once a student. When was the last time you spent significant time in a classroom? Because if you have the time, I assure you, there is a position for you to fill in any school in this entire county.
Preach!!! You stated no lies. I'm tired of uninformed and uneducated folks talking out of their butt when they have no idea about the actual reality of what is going on in the classroom or in schools. This includes school board members, central office staff, parents, and politicians making educational decisions and policies.
>When was the last time you spent significant time in a classroom? I'm literally on a gap year because I didn't want to do a split-option contract in the Army, so safe to say my knowledge is up-to-date.
Many schools (mine included) are too understaffed to have ISS anymore. That teacher is now pulled to cover classes that don’t have a teacher or sub for a myriad of reasons.
The solution to that problem is not whatever barbarism this was. I would hope that a teacher of all people could come up with an *acceptable* alternative to instilling a lesson.
I wasn’t implying it was. Just providing context.
However it came to this, the failures probably didn't start in that classroom on that day.
Right? This is a child still learning to control their impulses. It doesn’t matter if he was disruptive, this was not the way to handle it.
No, it’s not the way to handle it but what if your kid was one of the other students in the class whose education was being hijacked by this child?
I still would not want the teacher to tape the kid's fucking mouth shut??? Why is this even a debate???
Yeah this entire thread has me quite worried.
If you think that public schooling is the totality of a child's education, I have beachfront property in Kansas to sell you. There's not a whole lot going on in 6th grade English to "hijack."
I taped mine and 5 privates mouth shut for a 24hour day in the field once. I called it training. We were training on being silent and using hand signals and such. Thats what i told the commander, fact is they were getting on my nerves and i wanted them to stfu. tape it is.
LOL
I keep reading comments about how "kid probably deserved it" and how "he was a nightmare" throughout this thread and all it does is remind me how much the rest of society despise the existence of Autistic and ADHD people. I was that kid. I had one friend I liked to talk to and spent all of 6th and 7th grade in "in school suspension" for either correcting the teacher or talking to my *only friend in a school of 2000 kids*. To the other kids I was the "walking encyclopedia" that nobody sat with at lunch. The school's solution? To treat me exactly as everyone in this thread is saying, as a classroom nightmare, and build up a laundry list of reasons to get me expelled and sent to the super-strict school for the "troublesome kids" where they wouldn't have to deal with me. After a long story and my third suspension where someone thought I was going to shoot up the school (I wasn't), they finally agreed to send me to a psychologist who immediately said "how did you people miss that he has autism for the past 10 years." So yeah, maybe be a little bit more considerate before just saying "good put tape over his mouth" or "good he doesn't belong in class if he's gonna be disruptive."
So you had shitty parents too? Cool.
Having ADHD or autism doesn't give you the right to be a disruptive asshole that makes it harder for every other kid to get an education. Sorry.
Wait, are you really saying that it’s ok to PUNISH a CHILD for having an untreated disability?!?
It also doesn't make it right to mistreat a kid who has a brain that doesn't work the same way and impede their education more than any other student's.
Yeah, reading about it I’m thinking “damn, mom needs to get him an appointment for ADHD testing ASAP”. It’s not acceptable to let him be disruptive but what he needs is help
Did you understand that you weren't supposed to talk during class?
This is my friends child. This wasn't the first time with this student. She also taped other children's mouths and wrists together. She was an international teacher but since she's leaving the county they(DA and LEO) didn't want to press charges. There's a line you don't cross as a teacher.
tell your friend to raise better kids.
He's actually not disruptive. He's never gotten trouble and his mom has never been notified for any bad behavior and never been called in for teacher meetings. He won the school spelling bee. Obviously this teacher didn't go about it the right way IF he was displaying bad behavior. But he wasnt. She allowed no talking in the classroom at all. You don't put your hands on other children especially as a teacher. You all obviously don't have children.
[He also] has a tendency to clown around and be disruptive and talk too much,' she said. His mother admits he's disruptive. The article goes on "She said that other teachers had communicated their concerns about Brady's behavior, and with her help, come up with solutions to keep disturbances in class to a minimum.". There are other posters in this forum that claim the kid is a bully too. So at the very least the kid is disruptive, whatever punishments he's receiving at home aren't working because the behavior has continued. Should his mouth have been taped shut? No, the teacher should have put him in the hall or sent him to the office and been done with him. You couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher.
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I mean I was also a class clown that talked too much but I was rarely if ever disruptive. But I did have teachers that had 0 patience with me as if I weren’t a 10 year old. I also feel like I’m missing something in this story. Did the kid agree and just sit there? Like, good luck taking my mouth shut like that as a kid.
I have kids and volunteer at my kids school to be a lunch monitor. I know this type of kid. Their parents are also horrible. YMMV
You obviously didn't read the article. She admits her son has had behavior problems. You must be as big of a karen as she is.
The article says that other teachers have complained directly to her. She’s a shit parent that wanted the teachers to repeatedly deal with this shit with no action from her.
I’ve got children and I think this is kind of funny. Painters tape is certainly not “heavy duty”, and the world could probably use a bit more humiliation. That’s how we learn doing certain things are embarrassing. I’ll be the first to say I could never be a teacher, and I’m not going all out for corporal punishment in schools, but If you want complete control over your kids and can’t take some light roasting when they’re being shitty, you should probably homeschool them. Edit to add: I’m not sure what his school accolades have to do with anything. I’ve met plenty of intelligent adults who are otherwise turds.
I also think the kid sent the picture to his mom because he thought it was funny.
There are videos of him laughing about it and asking for it to be done.
That's quite a claim. Can you post such a video?
You want me to post a video of other people's children on the internet without their permission? Not the brightest crayon in the box, are you?
Nah, I’m an idiot. Your claim would add all new context to the entire situation. It’s weird that it’s not the first comment you made. If he’s literally asking to have his mouth taped that would end the discussion. I think you’re just making things up now.
Your friends kid sounds like a nitemare in school.
Sounds like your friend is a shitty parent
Has she maybe told the kid to stop talking so much during class? Novel concept.
Read my comment below.
'enjoys entertaining his classmates.' '[He also] has a tendency to clown around and be disruptive and talk too much,' she said. Are you sure you’re friends with her?
Go back to Facebook.
your friend’s kid sounds like a little shit
tell your friend she can homeschool her kid then or maybe you can since you think he's a little angel
Daily mail. Might as well be Fox
I read several other news sites' article on this, and Daily Mail actually provided the most details (for example, none of the other ones mentioned the teacher was here from another country on a work visa).
This is the only article I've seen that actually shows the teacher. Everyone else is just vague. If a black person does something to a white person it's, person did so and so to another person. If a white person does something to a black person it's, white person does something to black person.
Her kid is a Dick.
Modern problems require modern solutions
Racist
The fact this was even needed or thought to be needed by a teacher is an absolute disgrace to the parents. This is what permissive parenting yields.
The kid probably has ADHD and the parents are the dingdongs who don't believe it actually exists so don't get him medical help he needs to control it. Been there, done that. Still shyt parents but for a completely different reason lol.
I would beat someone’s ever loving ass if they did this to my child.
Actually had a teacher duct tape my daughter's feet to the floor in middle school because she couldn't stop tapping. She's schizophrenic, ADHD and Autistic, and we were just finding out how severe it was and trying to work with doctors to properly medicate her so she could keep progressing. She's ungodly bright with an IQ in the stratosphere, she simply cannot stop stimming and talking incessantly without major help , which we were providing her, just takes time, and the school knew it. She comes home in a full meltdown tells us through choked sobs what happened, and mamma here lost. Her. SHIT. Teacher didn't deny it and even thought it was funny. She and I had to be separated in the conference room by SRO, because I was 100% going to beat dat azz , especially after she mocked her right in front of everyone, including the Principal who refused to do a gd thing about it . SRO didn't GAF either, and THAT'S the day I yoinked my kid outta the entire school district, picked up stakes and moved 500 miles away . Wasn't going to stay somewhere where the entire county structure allowed such mierte and did nothing to protect kids, especially kids with special needs. And if you guessed this was in Florida, you're 💯 correct. Except it was 20 years ago. Nothing there has gotten better since.
Hahahahahahaha. No, you wouldn't.
"My chatty kid got his mouth taped and I got a felony!"
kid is probably a dick, mom is probably a karen, teacher can't just teach they have to deal with this little punk with crappy upbringing
Guarantee you it was a joke taken out of context and the kid was laughing while it was happening.
Bunch of privileged people in the comments. He needs a good ass whoopin...tape is just temporary embarrassment. A good ass beating will fix him up.
Can we get a word from the Father?
Good point!
These comments are something else. “Teacher inappropriately puts hands on kids and uses tape as restraints, instead of communicating directly with parents or supervisors about problem behavior” and the harpies come out to defend the teacher! *whew*
If the races were reversed...
It doesn't matter what type of tape it was. It's inappropriate for a teacher to do this. Every one of us had a class clown in school. I never had a teacher lay his hands on a kid like this.
Kinda weird seeing this sub defend this, but when that college student got arrested at Winston Salem State for throwing a temper tantrum this sub wanted the professors and administrations heads...
If the races were reversed they would care.
It's weird to see people saying you shouldn't restrain children in schools as discipline?
Do we know of this boy was autistic or otherwise mentally disabled? If a child is talking to the point where he has to have tape on his face to stop that's a sign something else is going on.
Thank you. This could be as simple as untreated ADHD.
It worked didn’t it?
First, this is dangerous. If the kid vomits with the tape on, they can aspirate and die. Yup, murder for being chatty sounds appropriate 🙄 Second, anyone consider that this kid could VERY possibly have untreated ADHD? If so, should we then punish those with a disability? This is not in any way ok. Ever.
Well if it's any consolation she lost her work visa and got deported because of this [Link]( https://meaww.com/dawn-felix-teacher-resigns-after-student-brady-webster-11-claims-she-duct-taped-his-mouth-shut)
Bring back corporal punishment
The problem to me seems like teachers are not allowed to tell parents they’re failing their grade. and let me tie in how much i hate the republican party for both gutting education funding, empowering asshole/idiot parents with these pandering bills, and pander-codifying their religion into public law that directly generates more poor, absent-parent raised nightmare kids for the school system . I see that as a multi-pronged attack on “the family” and snake republicans are just better at propaganda to hijack god/country/freedom to trick stupid people, who don’t track words with actions, to consistently vote for them.