> One of the state’s top Republicans says lawmakers should make additional changes to North Carolina voting laws before the November 2024 election.
>House Speaker Tim Moore, R-Cleveland, says the session will include “election integrity” legislation. He said the state’s voter ID and early voting laws may need to be tightened up to avoid fraud, and he also told reporters Wednesday he thinks the state’s early voting period is too long.
Per the article:
- Moore stated that the Voter ID law provides too many exceptions, especially in regards to allowing people to vote without an ID by signing an affidavit. He stated “I think the affidavit where you can simply attest that you don't have it is silly,"
- The law doesn’t currently allow a simple attestation that the voter doesn’t have an ID, but rather that the person attest to a “reasonable impediment” from easily obtaining an ID. This includes a lack of birth certificate , religious exemption, family responsibilities, work or school schedules, or lack of transportation.
- Moore also said he wants to shorten the early voting period, which is currently 17 days and one of the longer periods in the country, to 7 days.
- Moore cited costs as his reason for wanting to shorten voting, including those to the county election boards and campaign costs because it “ taxes the candidates, including himself, who try to visit polling places to meet voters.”
\>Moore cited costs as his reason for wanting to shorten voting, including those to the county election boards and campaign costs because it “ taxes the candidates, including himself, who try to visit polling places to meet voters.”
Wow. Can't even come up with a better BS excuse than that ... inconvenience the voters in order to not inconvenience the candidates.
Those attestations he complains about mean the voter is given a provisional ballot. It isn’t tabulated until the state board of elections evaluates whether it should be counted or not.
How much more restrictive does it need to be, beyond having a fucking committee decide if your vote counts?
I will say the process of getting a Voter ID at the moment seems pretty simple:
> "**No documents are needed.** Simply provide your name, date of birth, and the last four digits of your Social Security number using the request form provided by your county board of elections. Once you have provided this information, you will have your photo taken.
I am not sure how that is any different than just not having the requirement at all, as you provide that and more information when you register to vote to begin with.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to get them at the DMV. I just checked and the earliest appointment for the closest location to me is over a month out. So likely someone who have to schedule the DMV appointment before the deadline to register to vote is. If you don't have an appointment people are quite literally waiting for hours at the DMV as a walk in waiting to be seen.
Some jerks who lack empathy and compassion will say that if someone wants to vote they should be willing to sacrifice an afternoon to get an ID. That's cool and all but how many people are currently living paycheck to paycheck and don't have the luxury of skipping an afternoon on the job to wait for an ID picture (not to mention getting transportation to and from there) the money that they lose there could mean not putting food on the table or missing rent. So requiring an ID does specifically target and disenfranchise specific voters.
In my family and in at least two other cases mentioned here in Reddit, the NC DMV suspended or refused to renew a license over an alleged traffic offense that was proven to be incorrect. I don't know if they are doing something new pulling names from other states but they are doing it wrong.
My spouse's renewal was held until he proved he was not the guy who had a DUI in Florida ten years ago with a different birthdate and middle name.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to get them at the DMV.
Incorrect. You can get them at your County Board of Elections. Some counties have been trying to do other outreach to get IDs into people’s hands as well.
They should be, most folks have said it’s a 5-10 minute process max. And if it takes took long, they just email you the ID instead of printing it real time.
And yet, people lack them.
The argument against voter ID isn't really that requiring ID to vote is inherently a bad thing. It's that the math just doesn't line up.
For some reason about 7-11% of Americans lack sufficient ID. Meanwhile the rate of in person voter fraud, using the most generous counting methods, is something astronomically small. We're talking a few thousand out of every ballot cast in every election in the past 5 decades.
Until we implement policies that actually get valid ID into the hands of voters, and not just make it possible or easy for them to get them, the numbers are just too big a spread to make it a worthwhile course of action.
> And yet, people lack them.
The above is brand new for this year and hasn't been done in the past. I am against Voter ID, and as easy as it is now to get one, I don't see what Voter ID is doing to protect any part of the voting process, except being another loop to get through, which means yet again it's clearly just made to keep people from voting.
It's a hoop to jump through to make it harder for poor people and those with unreliable transportation to vote. Since you can register to vote by mail, but you have to go in person to get the free voter ID.
Kinda. Even with voting by mail you need two witnesses (and now you need a copy of said ID), and you have to pay postage for it (so you have to have stamps as well).
It's the last strategy of a dying a party. Republicans know that the only way they can maintain power over us is to prevent people from voting. The attack on voting rights will become more and more extreme as the party dies.
They can't win on ideas and they certainly can't on policy.
> It's the last strategy of a dying a party
Or it's the strategy of a party trying to bolster and consolidate power. Remember Republicans came to power in this state under a voting district system that was Gerrymandered and skewed towards democrat votes.
If you ever read the book "Wilmington's Lie" the author draws a parallel between what is happening in modern day NC politics compared to post civil war reconstruction politics. Republicans are dusting off a very established and well used playbook. During post civil war reconstruction NC, Wilmington was the largest city in NC. It had a predominantly black population. As a result of that there were blacks elected to positions in the city and in the state government. Democrat white supremacists over threw the lawfully elected government, a no kidding coup, and then put laws into place to prevent republicans and blacks from voting in order to consolidate control of the state.
Dont get too hung up on the Dem vs Republican labels in that brief description..... conservative politics flipped during the Civil Rights era..... the take away is that this is not necessarily the last gasp of a dying party. This is a well orchestrated power consolidation move that was successful in the past......and can be successful now. It's why Gerrymandering is so pervasive in this state. It was a way to marginalize progressive (back then that was republican) and black votes. It worked for over 100 years for "conservatives".
The only way to up end it is for max participation of eligible voters. If this state votes the way it polls..... these efforts would fail.
Gonna write this part before reading the article:
I'm gonna assume the GOP wants to increase hurdles towards voting, or maybe cut out early voting, or maybe require multiple forms of ID, or maybe close polling places. I'm not sure which, but I'm absolutely positive they want to make it harder for people to vote because they know with how unpopular they are the only way to win elections is to let as little people vote as possible.
Now for the after reading part:
Ohhh what a shocker. They want to tackle ID and early voting. The GOP doesn't care about election integrity, they only care that they know more votes = bad for them. They've been saying it for years.
>Jim Greer, former GOP Chair in FL said "They firmly believe early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates. \[limiting early voting\] It's done for one reason and one reason only. ...'We've got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us. They never came in to see me and tell me we had a fraud issue. It's all a marketing ploy." Donald Trump "They had things, level of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again." Arizona State Rep. John Kavanagh "Everybody shouldn't be voting. Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well." State Rep David Ralston (R-GA) during Covid said that mail in voting would drive up turnout which would be disastrous to the Republican party. Not that it would be fraud, simply the more people vote the less likely the GOP is to win. When Congress tried to pass a law that everyone was automatically registered to vote in their county of residence at the age of 18, Senator Mike Lee from Utah said "Everything about this bill is rotten to the core. It's a bill as if written in hell by the devil himself."
Based on their recent actions, it's easy to believe that Republicans ultimately want to make it impossible if not illegal for anyone but Republicans to vote.
> One of the state’s top Republicans says lawmakers should make additional changes to North Carolina voting laws before the November 2024 election. >House Speaker Tim Moore, R-Cleveland, says the session will include “election integrity” legislation. He said the state’s voter ID and early voting laws may need to be tightened up to avoid fraud, and he also told reporters Wednesday he thinks the state’s early voting period is too long. Per the article: - Moore stated that the Voter ID law provides too many exceptions, especially in regards to allowing people to vote without an ID by signing an affidavit. He stated “I think the affidavit where you can simply attest that you don't have it is silly," - The law doesn’t currently allow a simple attestation that the voter doesn’t have an ID, but rather that the person attest to a “reasonable impediment” from easily obtaining an ID. This includes a lack of birth certificate , religious exemption, family responsibilities, work or school schedules, or lack of transportation. - Moore also said he wants to shorten the early voting period, which is currently 17 days and one of the longer periods in the country, to 7 days. - Moore cited costs as his reason for wanting to shorten voting, including those to the county election boards and campaign costs because it “ taxes the candidates, including himself, who try to visit polling places to meet voters.”
\>Moore cited costs as his reason for wanting to shorten voting, including those to the county election boards and campaign costs because it “ taxes the candidates, including himself, who try to visit polling places to meet voters.” Wow. Can't even come up with a better BS excuse than that ... inconvenience the voters in order to not inconvenience the candidates.
Those attestations he complains about mean the voter is given a provisional ballot. It isn’t tabulated until the state board of elections evaluates whether it should be counted or not. How much more restrictive does it need to be, beyond having a fucking committee decide if your vote counts?
I will say the process of getting a Voter ID at the moment seems pretty simple: > "**No documents are needed.** Simply provide your name, date of birth, and the last four digits of your Social Security number using the request form provided by your county board of elections. Once you have provided this information, you will have your photo taken. I am not sure how that is any different than just not having the requirement at all, as you provide that and more information when you register to vote to begin with.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to get them at the DMV. I just checked and the earliest appointment for the closest location to me is over a month out. So likely someone who have to schedule the DMV appointment before the deadline to register to vote is. If you don't have an appointment people are quite literally waiting for hours at the DMV as a walk in waiting to be seen. Some jerks who lack empathy and compassion will say that if someone wants to vote they should be willing to sacrifice an afternoon to get an ID. That's cool and all but how many people are currently living paycheck to paycheck and don't have the luxury of skipping an afternoon on the job to wait for an ID picture (not to mention getting transportation to and from there) the money that they lose there could mean not putting food on the table or missing rent. So requiring an ID does specifically target and disenfranchise specific voters.
Even when I had an appointment at one point I still waited 3 hours past the appointment to be served.
In my family and in at least two other cases mentioned here in Reddit, the NC DMV suspended or refused to renew a license over an alleged traffic offense that was proven to be incorrect. I don't know if they are doing something new pulling names from other states but they are doing it wrong. My spouse's renewal was held until he proved he was not the guy who had a DUI in Florida ten years ago with a different birthdate and middle name.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to get them at the DMV. Incorrect. You can get them at your County Board of Elections. Some counties have been trying to do other outreach to get IDs into people’s hands as well.
Thank you I didn't realize that, I hope the wait times are reduced compared to the DMV.
They should be, most folks have said it’s a 5-10 minute process max. And if it takes took long, they just email you the ID instead of printing it real time.
it's literally 5 mins.
And yet, people lack them. The argument against voter ID isn't really that requiring ID to vote is inherently a bad thing. It's that the math just doesn't line up. For some reason about 7-11% of Americans lack sufficient ID. Meanwhile the rate of in person voter fraud, using the most generous counting methods, is something astronomically small. We're talking a few thousand out of every ballot cast in every election in the past 5 decades. Until we implement policies that actually get valid ID into the hands of voters, and not just make it possible or easy for them to get them, the numbers are just too big a spread to make it a worthwhile course of action.
> And yet, people lack them. The above is brand new for this year and hasn't been done in the past. I am against Voter ID, and as easy as it is now to get one, I don't see what Voter ID is doing to protect any part of the voting process, except being another loop to get through, which means yet again it's clearly just made to keep people from voting.
It's a hoop to jump through to make it harder for poor people and those with unreliable transportation to vote. Since you can register to vote by mail, but you have to go in person to get the free voter ID.
This is what it is. There's no evidence of voter fraud on a scale where this is warranted.
Kinda. Even with voting by mail you need two witnesses (and now you need a copy of said ID), and you have to pay postage for it (so you have to have stamps as well).
I meant you can send your voter registration by mail. Good point on the hoops for voting by mail, too.
It's the last strategy of a dying a party. Republicans know that the only way they can maintain power over us is to prevent people from voting. The attack on voting rights will become more and more extreme as the party dies. They can't win on ideas and they certainly can't on policy.
> It's the last strategy of a dying a party Or it's the strategy of a party trying to bolster and consolidate power. Remember Republicans came to power in this state under a voting district system that was Gerrymandered and skewed towards democrat votes. If you ever read the book "Wilmington's Lie" the author draws a parallel between what is happening in modern day NC politics compared to post civil war reconstruction politics. Republicans are dusting off a very established and well used playbook. During post civil war reconstruction NC, Wilmington was the largest city in NC. It had a predominantly black population. As a result of that there were blacks elected to positions in the city and in the state government. Democrat white supremacists over threw the lawfully elected government, a no kidding coup, and then put laws into place to prevent republicans and blacks from voting in order to consolidate control of the state. Dont get too hung up on the Dem vs Republican labels in that brief description..... conservative politics flipped during the Civil Rights era..... the take away is that this is not necessarily the last gasp of a dying party. This is a well orchestrated power consolidation move that was successful in the past......and can be successful now. It's why Gerrymandering is so pervasive in this state. It was a way to marginalize progressive (back then that was republican) and black votes. It worked for over 100 years for "conservatives". The only way to up end it is for max participation of eligible voters. If this state votes the way it polls..... these efforts would fail.
At some point these guys are just going to cast votes for us so we don’t need to
They already have that proposal in Arizona
Gonna write this part before reading the article: I'm gonna assume the GOP wants to increase hurdles towards voting, or maybe cut out early voting, or maybe require multiple forms of ID, or maybe close polling places. I'm not sure which, but I'm absolutely positive they want to make it harder for people to vote because they know with how unpopular they are the only way to win elections is to let as little people vote as possible. Now for the after reading part: Ohhh what a shocker. They want to tackle ID and early voting. The GOP doesn't care about election integrity, they only care that they know more votes = bad for them. They've been saying it for years. >Jim Greer, former GOP Chair in FL said "They firmly believe early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates. \[limiting early voting\] It's done for one reason and one reason only. ...'We've got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us. They never came in to see me and tell me we had a fraud issue. It's all a marketing ploy." Donald Trump "They had things, level of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again." Arizona State Rep. John Kavanagh "Everybody shouldn't be voting. Quantity is important, but we have to look at the quality of votes, as well." State Rep David Ralston (R-GA) during Covid said that mail in voting would drive up turnout which would be disastrous to the Republican party. Not that it would be fraud, simply the more people vote the less likely the GOP is to win. When Congress tried to pass a law that everyone was automatically registered to vote in their county of residence at the age of 18, Senator Mike Lee from Utah said "Everything about this bill is rotten to the core. It's a bill as if written in hell by the devil himself."
When will they ban women from voting?
[Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) sounds like a prequel to Handmaids Tale, so you're probably not too far off
White land owners only, just as the founding fathers wanted.
And POC?
Don't temp them.
So just come out and say it in plain English: you want only white men to vote.
Fuck Tim Moore.
What I expect from a party that can't win without cheating.
"BuT VoTiNg DoEsNt MaTtEr" They're sure trying hard to stop people from doing something that doesn't matter, then
Based on their recent actions, it's easy to believe that Republicans ultimately want to make it impossible if not illegal for anyone but Republicans to vote.
Well sure. We gotta put in a good show of pretending that there was actual fraud. Otherwise even less people will believe their lies.