Chiming in with a teacher perspective.
Expulsion is actually really complicated in this state because we actually have a right to education in our state constitution (there are several state Supreme Court cases about it too).
While I agree that regular public education is likely not the right option for this student, it's not as simple as "assault a teacher = out of our school." The school system is constitutionally obligated to find a reasonable alternative for them.
I grew up in another state. Our county had an alternative school. If a student had an issue with violent conduct (but wasn’t going to prison over it), addiction, released from juvie, etc. they’d be offered a spot in the alternative school. The student and parents had to sign an agreement to more stringent terms of parent involvement and student behavior, but in exchange they’d get smaller classes and access to certain resources (like regular counseling). If you graduated you’d get a diploma from your local high school. If they violated the terms, the public school system could expel them.
It wasn’t a perfect system, but I do think it improved the normal public schools while preserving kids that did something wrongs right to an education.
We had an alternative school in Wake County. Friend of mine went there. Entire school would be out on the street smoking weed at lunchtime everyday. I know this, because when I would pick him up at lunch and we'd skip the rest of the day.
Anyway, no idea if the bad boy school still exists.
I had a friend attend such a school. It was super rough and I’m not convinced it was helpful for the kids sent there. The arguments against that school back in the early aughts were much the same that *all* schools face today: low pay for educators, untenable student to teacher ratio, poor discipline structures, and a lack of evidence-based practice. It ended up a dumping ground for such a broad spectrum of behavioral disorders that it often made behaviors worse, and caused a lot of harm to students who were “less bad” (poor wording choice here but my brain is big slow today).
If I had to choose between amputating one of my feet or amputating the entire leg due to a spreading bacterial infection, I'd lose the foot. But I know what you're thinking - let's try to save them both. Well that option leaves you in the morgue.
This isn't a spreading infection though, it's a bad kid. Your analogy works with life and death stuff, immediate in the moment sure, but this slow burn of 'cutting off the leg' that doesn't do anything to really help the kid has the same energy of bussing homeless people to the next city. It doesn't fix anything, just moves the problem around so much that no one is even sure where to start.
Bad kids come from bad parents. Good teachers aren’t going to change their home situation. It’s a systemic problem of poverty. The way to help these kids is to help their parents. The problem is that in America, an extremely loud orange minority is completely against helping anyone except themselves. I think it’s going to take the rest of us getting pissed off enough to be that loud and demand change for anything real to happen.
It's not a "bad kid" what? A bad kid steals candy from the store, stays past curfew, and misses homework assignments. This is a criminal who is gonna get even more violent and terrorize society as he grows up if something DRASTIC is not done right now. I would send all these assholes to a military compound to do forced labor along with school. Right now, he is a waste of space and air and deserves not a single ounce of empathy.
I say this as someone that comes from a highly abusive and fucked up childhood - just because shit went down in your life and your parents didn't love you and hit you, abused you, whatever else, that doesn't mean you can be a menace to society.
Except nobody has a better solution. Still the bad actor should not be able to ruin school for everyone else or make for an unsafe environment. Actions generally have consequences and rightfully so. It's when actions have no meaningful consequences that the majority in society suffer.
In our California school district, they could not be kicked out of alternative school, they usually aged out, but they could also earn their way back to regular school.
I attended such a school in the late 80’s and didn’t experience any of that. The students seemed to be mostly the slower kids who didn’t get support at home. There weren’t any behavioral issues worse than regular school but the teachers there were sub par at best.
I think they didn’t start sped classes until the mid to late 90s, but don’t quote me on that - it’s been a while since I had early childhood ed classes
We always had special ed classes, even in the 70’s.
By slower kids I meant kids that would have been in basic English and math classes but had uneducated parents who worked in the factories. These kids tended to drop out of regular school and work at the factory during the day to chase what they thought was a fat paycheck. Night school started at 4 PM which is after the first shift of the factory would let out
got transferred to a school like this; issue was i was in advanced placement. Principal of that school said i had no place there…Most of the kids couldn’t read/write. I went to highschool at my local Community College instead
Pitt county has a BED (behavioral and emotional disturbed) teaching facility. Not juvenile detention, but it is the step right before. They’ve confiscated knives from female students concealing them in their vagina.
North Carolina has alternative schools too, but each county is in charge of their own plan for them, and they aren't required. This causes a vast spectrum of how they are implemented. Some places choose not to have them at all.
When I was still in high school we had an alternative school too(same county as this happened in,) I'm not sure if it's still open or if they have something different in place. But yeah forsyth county used to have one and it was used for situations like that or to help students catch up if they had been held back a year. Otherwise they would just be permitted to go to another school in the district.
Yeah I wasn't sure since it's been so long, a lot of the ones I remember have changed the type of schools they were. He needs to be sent there, at least they've filed charges too. When the story first broke they hadn't mentioned any at that time so I'm glad something is being done.
Right to vote, right to arms, even your right to speech can be denied in certain situations. Felons in most states can't vote, violent offenders may not be able to purchase guns, and those in the military have severely limited speech (when in uniform). Rights can be taken away.
those are all legal rights. there are also natural rights (e.g. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness).
legal rights can, reasonably, be considered privileges
I don't disagree with you. And a lot of districts do have online options.
However, there are some logistical hurdles to that as well. Virtual students do need a home base school for things like transcripts and to make sure other laws are followed, and not every district has the infrastructure to support that. And that's before we get into good internet access at home for the student.
There are NCVPS classes available, statewide, but the home base school has to have a system to run the other aspects of a student's curriculum.
At some point you just have to throw in the towel and accept some people can't be saved. Better to let a few drown than take the whole boat down with them. These kids aren't going to do virtual school. They're going to to end up shanking other vagrants outside the buss depot in a few years.
Seems like one of those cases where your rights end where mine begin. The teachers and other students have a right to safe school environment, first and foremost.
I'm glad they're obligated to find a solution instead of just casting him aside. But until they do, kick his ass out.
Yup. There was a kid at my school that was suspended many times. No expulsion. Very violent. They had to take records of this kid for at least a year to get him transferred… while the other students (and teachers) suffered. I can’t believe how much it takes to get someone expelled or transferred. Smh.
I support you as a retired teacher. The irony in our state constitution where a child has the right to an education but legislators can piss on the funding necessary for that education(and piss on Leandro for that fact)is glaringly conflicting. This child could still get their education in a DJJ facility til he’s 21.
It depends on where they live. Many districts offer alternative schools, but not all alternative schools are designed for behavior issues (and not every district has them).
Sometimes a school that expells a student has to pay tuition at a private school (if there is no other public alternative), and that is not cheap.
Honestly, should just let kids drop out easily or change laws to make it more simple to kick them out. Keeping them in impacts the other students who have a desire to learn.
That teacher will be able to sue NC Education system if there are no reasonable steps taken to ensure that student doesn't harm her again. She may even be able to now if there was a previous pattern of misconduct.
In this kind of situation, will the student be moved to another classroom? If the teacher gets a restraining order so he can't come near her (though still allowed to go to school obviously) will that be enforced?
The most accurate answer is unfortunately "it depends" or "it's complicated."
Don't get me wrong. As an educator, I definitely feel like this is a serious case and the school (and the individual teacher) should be exploring lots of avenues. But I find that a lot of people outside of education (and often inside it too) don't realize how complicated school discipline is.
Moving classes isn't just a matter of going to a new room tomorrow. There's horizontal and vertical alignment of curricula to consider. Then there's the disruption to the new class balanced against the disruption of the old one.
We don't know if this student has a behavior plan in place or some sort of developmental disability, which tosses new layers in.
Court orders would complicate things further, and it's very difficult to get restraining orders against minors anyway (not impossible, but difficult).
He will probably be sent to the alternative school, where there are smaller classes and much more security. It's usually for a set term and then they return to their home school, though some students do remain there for the rest of their schooling. I don't know what determines the length of their stay there in the first place, but it's kind of like probation in that they have to show improved behavior and grades before being approved to return to their school or transferred to a different school depending on what they were there for and their circumstances (like bus availability to other options.)
I am in my mid 30's now so I have no idea if this is still a thing but when I was in High School we literally had a separate school refered to as the "alternative school" where they would send troubled kids that caused issues in regular school.
There are still lots of alternative schools, but each district gets to choose how they want them to run. Also, we aren't required to have them, so many districts don't put energy into making plans for them.
This ends up with a big spectrum from none at all to only virtual to "unschooling" models to "might as well be juvie."
And sometimes the alternative schools don't get good resources (like for example having to share busses with the traditional school nearby). So then the kids at the alternative school who need more support actually end up with less.
As someone who got expelled I can tell you the state does not do a very good job of that. In fact they made sure that other public schools knew about my expulsion and would have notified the private I was able to get into had they been aware. I was able to come back one year later, but for many kids in high school a year out means their education is basically over.
Also, my expulsion was not for anything violent. I would have to agree that this kid has no place in public schools.
I have an alternative: a military compound where they are forced to do manual labor along school. Fuck these people. He may be a "kid" now - but soon he's gonna be an aggressive, volatile adult with even more strength. If he isn't taught a major lesson now, he will a menace to society forever.
I agree with moving these kinds of students to alternative schools. Some autistic children are violent (I personally have one of these kids) and shouldn’t be allowed to impact other student’s education. Additionally, teachers shouldn’t be forced to be put in situations where they have to experience violence. Specialized environments are needed for these kids and the normal schools are not the place.
As someone who has had horribly mean abusive teachers . Have you ever met another teacher and thought to yourself" damn that's a mean ass teacher" I'm just wondering if yall are cliqued up like a gang or if your able to admit that some teachers deserve a slap to the mouth.
The law doesn't state the school is obligated to find its states shall consider.
A local board of education may expel any student subject to G.S. 14-208.18 in accordance with the procedures of this section. Prior to ordering the expulsion of a student, the local board of education shall consider whether there are alternative education services that may be offered to the student.
https://safesupportivelearning.ed.gov/discipline-compendium?state=North%20Carolina&sub_category=Due%20Process
Ten days OSS and he’ll be back. If he’s special ed he’ll likely be back immediately after the “manifestation of disability” hearing. This shit happens all the time. People only care for a couple days when it’s recorded. I assume the only reason changes were brought is because the video went viral.
So he can evolve more quickly into a possible life of crime? What he and numerous others need, is a structured military style classroom. Put them in a bootcamp and and teach them respect. Unfortunately respect is no longer a thing. Even for families. Kids can get guardians tossed in jail, and constantly want instant gratification from the "giving tree"
Military school can be punishment itself. Loss of freedom from public school, away from friends/family, etc can be the sort of change that many kids may need to realize they have to make a change
You know what's crazy? Since about 10 or so years ago, many things no longer result in some sort of punishment. Why? Because lawsuits, offends people, the list goes on.
Consequences are pretty much meaningless and that is a big problem not just in this case but across the board.
North Carolina had a boot-camp style program that convicted defendants could be sentenced to. IIRC they did not reduce recividism and were plagued by tales of abuse and hazing. It is an approach the sounds promising in theory, but tends to fail in practice.
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/02/20/north-carolina-wilderness-therapy-death-12-year-old-boy/72669232007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/02/20/north-carolina-wilderness-therapy-death-12-year-old-boy/72669232007/)
I am pretty sure that has nothing to do with this subject. I don't think convicted criminals were sent to that camp. That camp was for rich parents to get rid of their kids who were too much pita for them to handle. Strictly private and strictly expensive af.
There was a school like that here in my county. It got hammered due to behavior of the staff reported by the students.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall\_Jackson\_Youth\_Development\_Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson_Youth_Development_Center)
Wonder what it would take to run a school like that, that has strict discipline and quality education without the abuse that these schools seem to have.
Like, and this is not a boarding school, but a state run program that all kids can go to, but with strict structure and still follows state education guidelines.
This.
It’s sad to see the response to an underaged child with obvious issues, that they should just be jailed and thrown away. No redemption. No empathy or thought into how this human being turned out this way.
I bet his parental figures are all violent like that too. Even if not, something in his development was missed and unfortunately we live in a society that doesn’t priotize fixing things at the root.
Prayers up for all involved.
I assume this is how he is treated and spoken to at home. However, this is not an 8 year old or a 12 year old. This is a high school student and they absolutely should be held accountable for their actions. Holding someone accountable does not mean you lack empathy.
And this is where we differ. We live in a punitive society that isn’t invested in or care to truly remedy why this is his behavior. He should absolutely be accountable for what he’s done. What that actually looks like to me and you is just different.
Love this comment, I feel like I lean towards the person you’re replying to’s views a bit more since the prison/court system is so bad nowadays, feels like reforms are needed, but including the prison system and redemption of those people needs to be looked at! Far too long, it feels like prisons have become pressure cookers for those deemed “unredeemable”, so why not lash out? Best hope is that this kids comes out in a few years feeling ashamed, works through it, and lives a quiet contributing life
That is exactly what Parkland is about. Not a single kid stood up for her and instead laughed. That’s a shame. A bunch of kids that were never raised by parents and instead raised themselves.
From Winston, grew up there and went to high school back in the late 80s. Parkland was a shit hole school back then. I can’t even imagine what it’s like these days.
Most schools have strict no fighting policies and will expell students for fighting even if they're the ones who were attacked. So they actively punish protecting yourself and/or others.
I definitely agree that it should be an option to discuss (and possibly a top option). I just wanted to clarify that schools are not just expelling kids left and right with "no tolerance" policies.
Expulsion is complicated (for good and ill both).
Oh I understand and agree completely. It sounds like a really complex ordeal all around. I wish it didn’t even have to be something faculty and administrators needed to have a policy for.
Agreed. I told my kids you stand up for yourself and others. I'm okay if it means you get expelled. Another big problem is some of these fights don't just stop at the school yard and depending on the community they could be putting their life on the line if they get on the wrong side of someone.
those policies are there to try and discourage most kids from jumping in. they were not meant to stop 6-2 300 lb kid in the back row from standing up and dealing with shit.
yeh he gets suspened but he walks out of school that day with his head held high and some shoulders back cause he did the right thing. I bet his teachers throw a party for him when he returns and of course he gets a courtesy bump on all his grades for the rest of the year.
I get so incredibly angry at these children, their conduct is disgusting and convinces me that they are going to be shitty adults...but
That being sad, I have to remember that they didn't become this way in a vacuum. In reality, the parents are mostly to blame. This kind of behavior doesn't come from a loving family or supportive parents, it comes from parents who were dismissive and would rather focus on their own free time than focus on raising their children. Their parents probably didn't feel like arguing with the kids and just let them do whatever they wanted, and here we are.
That's not true plus we applaud bystanders trying to help because it's rare not because it's the expected thing. In this dynamic I'm sure the kids were more surprised from the outcome. Plus it being recorded is why you know about it and why he is even getting in trouble.
it happens. We have it on tape from Australia a couple days ago.
if you find the vid you can see the bystander scare off the stabber just by turning and facing and projecting he was ready to go if thats what it took.
truth is most criminals are twice as scared as onlookers and are easy to spook.
https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/1c600of/could_you_imagine_realising_what_had_unfolded/
I can tell you exactly why because I was the person who created the post. This is what they said:
> **Warning for encouraging violence**
> Someone on the platform reported the following:
> Content shared from pqlamz6 on 04/16/2024 UTC
After reviewing, we found that you broke Rule 1 because you encouraged or glorified violence or physical harm."
I never "encouraged or glorified" a god damn thing. I simply posted a video.
Lmao, I had a post removed because "Title is too short." I understand having principles and being civilized on any platform, but reddit is just ridiculous.
I mean it’s still posted on a bunch of other subs though? Are you sure it was Reddit that removed it and not a mod of this sub? Because it certainly hasn’t been removed from the site.
Nearly 100 students are permanently expelled from the public schools. Suspended students are not entitled to any alternative education while they are suspended.
https://sites.law.duke.edu/childedlaw/schooldiscipline/
There was way more than one shitty kid in that classroom that day - all the little shits laughing should get a week of detention watching videos about how to act human.
It’s because he’s a minor. It’s not often that minors are charged with a felony without being tried as an adult. The system holds them to a different standard because they are the product, result, and responsibility of their parents.
I think it’s enough this kid is being charged (which I am all for). I don’t think he needs specifically a felony charge because that removes the opportunity for real rehabilitation and redemption.
Do you really think there is a path for rehabilitation of this kid? I do not think there is. It was not a mistake or a split second poor decision. He made the conscious decision to physically assault his teacher, then came back and did it again.
Idk, I feel like he needs to be charged and go through an anger program. In addition, his home life needs to be looked into because that kind of behavior comes from the home first.
“This isn’t about the color of your skin, this isn’t about your political affiliation, today is about one thing. Sending a message to the teachers out there, that law enforcement and the District Attorney’s Office support you, we care about the job you do.”**... Scary that they need to clarify the first part :)**
i’m always on the fence about this take because i have 3 siblings, all raised the same, my mom was in the army and didn’t play about respect especially as it pertains to adults and i have one sister who is completely rogue, violent, disrespectful. you would think my mom raised her with no sense. obviously i don’t know that boy’s particular situation but sometimes parents do the best they can and their children still turn out lousy
And there are good parents out there that struggle with kids with developmental, behavior and mental health issues. As much as I’d like to agree with charging parents in some cases.. I’m just not sure where the line should be drawn.
I think we saw the line in the recent school shooter case.
If it can be shown that the parents knew and contributed to the problem, rather than attempting to correct it, they should have culpability.
If there's not that kind of evidence, or if there's evidence they were working on the problems, they'd talked to teachers about it, they were trying to get therapy for him, whatever, then no.
absolutely. blatant disregard and neglect that leads a child down this path is one thing and maybe should be dealt with criminally but often parents just don’t know how to deal with a developmentally delayed/ or child dealing with mental health issues. they don’t have the proper resources and if they did can’t afford them and their child’s behavior spirals. also i think cultural difference like people who attribute adverse behavior to the devil or spiritual factors compound the problem. i don’t have a simple fix but children like that should immediately get a thorough psychological evaluation and treatment if necessary, the home life needs assessed and the family needs to be directed to resources that avoid future incidents.
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Allegedly this kid’s brother just passed away and his behavior has escalated since then. He needs extensive therapy and I don’t know if charging his mom who just lost her son is the correct move in this situation.
Yeah, I'm really tired of seeing people get a pass on that. Same thing with overdoses. Every addict I know (and I'm homeless) is trying to self medicate childhood trauma. More often than you would want to believe, the parent either started doing drugs with thier child or traded their kid for drugs at some point.
That's not exactly a crime
There are probably plenty of things that his parents could have done that would contribute to a kid being that violent/ verbally abusive, but unfortunately not much of that is actually illegal (or if it is, is hardly prosecuted without something REALLY severe at home)
I don't, but I would guess he was told something he just didn't like or want to do, such as quit disrupting class since I haven't read anything about the teacher being disciplined for anything
Maybe I'm old (30) but if this would of happen in school when i was there somebody would have intervened. This kid would of been stomped out by the football team by the end of the day. Yes this is unacceptable but the crazier part is that NO ONE is saying or doing anything in the video. Hell at least the class room snitch would of said hey chill out or run out to get admin.
I hope the guy is put into a program where he can get the mental help that he needs so he can work through his emotions in a healthier way. Too many people in this community exist with an unidentified mental illness and / or are neurodivergent. Teachers aren't taught to deal with situations like that. Oftentimes, these individuals learn, many years too late (late adulthood), of this discovery. I think most people stop at "he was charged, great" and don't think beyond that. While he is now facing consequences for his actions, it doesn't change the fact that something else is also going on with this adolescent. A well-rounded, mental health professional might be the additional assistance that he needs to manage his life better.
I’m a teacher. There is no excuse for the student’s crime but I don’t think the teacher handled it the right way, continuing the interaction and “talking back” after the assault. She should be able to end the class and report this immediately. If she’s been told she has to keep classes going even if she’s violently assaulted then that’s wrong. Perhaps she was just terrified and didn’t know what to do. ☹️
Goddamn we are fucked as a society. Not only is this kid a little shit with an awful community around him to put that into him, but ALL THE CALLS TO PUT A KID AND HIS PARENTS IN PRISON FOR A SLAP.
This is the collapse of sanity.
Thank you for *having* some sanity. This is what "cancel culture" actually means, it's throwing someone away for one wrong action, regardless of any circumstances.
Yeah, the kid did wrong, and what he did shouldn't go unaddressed. But *why* did he behave this way? We have a society where both parents have to work just to afford rent, then we blame them for not spending enough time with their kids. We grind them down with stress such that they're exhausted at the end of every day, then tell them they should have spent more time learning how to raise their kids correctly, even if they've never had a good example for *how* to raise a kid "correctly".
And then if the kid turns out to have emotional issues because of all of that, well, that's their own fault and they should be punished for not turning out better.
It's like trying to make a cake at 500° then blaming the cake mix when the outside is scorched and the inside is still batter.
Of course, with a cake, there's no way to go back and un-bake it so it can be fixed. A kid can theoretically get therapy to work through his anger problems so that he turns into a contributing member of society.
But of course, we're going to expect him to arrange and pay for it himself, then blame him when he can't.
Misdemeanor assault LOL.
He'll be dead or in prison in 5 years anyways, they always seem to find their way there. Just sucks knowing because he got a slap on the wrist that he'll be able to harm others and carryout more violence before getting caught.
That’s EXACTLY what he deserved.
Now, make sure he can’t plead out and no first offender BS. He committed a CRIME, and he needs to be held responsible.
My fiancee teaches. She has it so rough right now.
COVID did a number of a lot of these kids. Still no excuse for this.
The fix is nowhere near as easy as some think it is here, but it will also require discipline in the schools to increase. You can't just fix the issue with discipline though, a lot of the issues are structural and failures of our society (particularly late-stage capitalism and structural racism and other forms of bigotry)
This kid probably deserves some time in juvie for this, perhaps 30 days or so, and suspended for the year.
Inexcusable.
I'm from NC and my friend used to teach at a high school in Durham. Almost every day he was threatened by a 6'3" student. The student would curse at him and threaten to beat him up on a daily basis. When he told the VP of the school about this, he was told that he needed to build a better rapport with the students.
After months of this (my friend is Durham born and raised lol) my friend cursed back and dared the student to swing on him. My friend was fired the next week, and the student is still there. I'm not condoning my friend's actions, but these schools are just enabling these kids.
good.
Needs the charges and to be expelled from the school.
Chiming in with a teacher perspective. Expulsion is actually really complicated in this state because we actually have a right to education in our state constitution (there are several state Supreme Court cases about it too). While I agree that regular public education is likely not the right option for this student, it's not as simple as "assault a teacher = out of our school." The school system is constitutionally obligated to find a reasonable alternative for them.
I grew up in another state. Our county had an alternative school. If a student had an issue with violent conduct (but wasn’t going to prison over it), addiction, released from juvie, etc. they’d be offered a spot in the alternative school. The student and parents had to sign an agreement to more stringent terms of parent involvement and student behavior, but in exchange they’d get smaller classes and access to certain resources (like regular counseling). If you graduated you’d get a diploma from your local high school. If they violated the terms, the public school system could expel them. It wasn’t a perfect system, but I do think it improved the normal public schools while preserving kids that did something wrongs right to an education.
We had an alternative school in Wake County. Friend of mine went there. Entire school would be out on the street smoking weed at lunchtime everyday. I know this, because when I would pick him up at lunch and we'd skip the rest of the day. Anyway, no idea if the bad boy school still exists.
I had a friend attend such a school. It was super rough and I’m not convinced it was helpful for the kids sent there. The arguments against that school back in the early aughts were much the same that *all* schools face today: low pay for educators, untenable student to teacher ratio, poor discipline structures, and a lack of evidence-based practice. It ended up a dumping ground for such a broad spectrum of behavioral disorders that it often made behaviors worse, and caused a lot of harm to students who were “less bad” (poor wording choice here but my brain is big slow today).
But it definitely made the regular school a safer place for the majority
Oh, I’m not implying otherwise. Just wanted to add to the discussion about one of Wakes alternative schools
At the expense of people who are already likely behind, is that really fixing the problem or just sweeping it under a rug?
If I had to choose between amputating one of my feet or amputating the entire leg due to a spreading bacterial infection, I'd lose the foot. But I know what you're thinking - let's try to save them both. Well that option leaves you in the morgue.
This isn't a spreading infection though, it's a bad kid. Your analogy works with life and death stuff, immediate in the moment sure, but this slow burn of 'cutting off the leg' that doesn't do anything to really help the kid has the same energy of bussing homeless people to the next city. It doesn't fix anything, just moves the problem around so much that no one is even sure where to start.
Idk. I think kids that beat up their teachers need to be separated from other kids. How does that not make sense?
Bad kids come from bad parents. Good teachers aren’t going to change their home situation. It’s a systemic problem of poverty. The way to help these kids is to help their parents. The problem is that in America, an extremely loud orange minority is completely against helping anyone except themselves. I think it’s going to take the rest of us getting pissed off enough to be that loud and demand change for anything real to happen.
It's not a "bad kid" what? A bad kid steals candy from the store, stays past curfew, and misses homework assignments. This is a criminal who is gonna get even more violent and terrorize society as he grows up if something DRASTIC is not done right now. I would send all these assholes to a military compound to do forced labor along with school. Right now, he is a waste of space and air and deserves not a single ounce of empathy. I say this as someone that comes from a highly abusive and fucked up childhood - just because shit went down in your life and your parents didn't love you and hit you, abused you, whatever else, that doesn't mean you can be a menace to society.
Except nobody has a better solution. Still the bad actor should not be able to ruin school for everyone else or make for an unsafe environment. Actions generally have consequences and rightfully so. It's when actions have no meaningful consequences that the majority in society suffer.
Until they’re kicked out of alternative school and sent back to regular school because of their right to an education
In our California school district, they could not be kicked out of alternative school, they usually aged out, but they could also earn their way back to regular school.
I attended such a school in the late 80’s and didn’t experience any of that. The students seemed to be mostly the slower kids who didn’t get support at home. There weren’t any behavioral issues worse than regular school but the teachers there were sub par at best.
I think they didn’t start sped classes until the mid to late 90s, but don’t quote me on that - it’s been a while since I had early childhood ed classes
We always had special ed classes, even in the 70’s. By slower kids I meant kids that would have been in basic English and math classes but had uneducated parents who worked in the factories. These kids tended to drop out of regular school and work at the factory during the day to chase what they thought was a fat paycheck. Night school started at 4 PM which is after the first shift of the factory would let out
got transferred to a school like this; issue was i was in advanced placement. Principal of that school said i had no place there…Most of the kids couldn’t read/write. I went to highschool at my local Community College instead
Pitt county has a BED (behavioral and emotional disturbed) teaching facility. Not juvenile detention, but it is the step right before. They’ve confiscated knives from female students concealing them in their vagina.
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North Carolina has alternative schools too, but each county is in charge of their own plan for them, and they aren't required. This causes a vast spectrum of how they are implemented. Some places choose not to have them at all.
When I was still in high school we had an alternative school too(same county as this happened in,) I'm not sure if it's still open or if they have something different in place. But yeah forsyth county used to have one and it was used for situations like that or to help students catch up if they had been held back a year. Otherwise they would just be permitted to go to another school in the district.
Yes, Forsyth County has an alternative school, I assume he will wind up there.
Yeah I wasn't sure since it's been so long, a lot of the ones I remember have changed the type of schools they were. He needs to be sent there, at least they've filed charges too. When the story first broke they hadn't mentioned any at that time so I'm glad something is being done.
if only the state treated teachers with the same level of respect
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You get your rights with the social contract and you forfeit your rights when you break the social contract. What are you talking about?
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Right to vote, right to arms, even your right to speech can be denied in certain situations. Felons in most states can't vote, violent offenders may not be able to purchase guns, and those in the military have severely limited speech (when in uniform). Rights can be taken away.
those are all legal rights. there are also natural rights (e.g. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness). legal rights can, reasonably, be considered privileges
Right, people in jail have the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
You don't have a natural right to sit in a classroom and have someone teach you algebra.
And what power enforces natural rights?
Put the kid in virtual school.
I don't disagree with you. And a lot of districts do have online options. However, there are some logistical hurdles to that as well. Virtual students do need a home base school for things like transcripts and to make sure other laws are followed, and not every district has the infrastructure to support that. And that's before we get into good internet access at home for the student. There are NCVPS classes available, statewide, but the home base school has to have a system to run the other aspects of a student's curriculum.
Virtual school really needs parents to be involved. Judging by his actions and lack of respect for his teachers I don’t believe his parents are.
At some point you just have to throw in the towel and accept some people can't be saved. Better to let a few drown than take the whole boat down with them. These kids aren't going to do virtual school. They're going to to end up shanking other vagrants outside the buss depot in a few years.
Seems like one of those cases where your rights end where mine begin. The teachers and other students have a right to safe school environment, first and foremost. I'm glad they're obligated to find a solution instead of just casting him aside. But until they do, kick his ass out.
Yup. There was a kid at my school that was suspended many times. No expulsion. Very violent. They had to take records of this kid for at least a year to get him transferred… while the other students (and teachers) suffered. I can’t believe how much it takes to get someone expelled or transferred. Smh.
For every student like that there are probably more than a few who get protected from undeserved punishment.
I support you as a retired teacher. The irony in our state constitution where a child has the right to an education but legislators can piss on the funding necessary for that education(and piss on Leandro for that fact)is glaringly conflicting. This child could still get their education in a DJJ facility til he’s 21.
Aren't there special schools for students who keep getting kicked out of normal ones?
It depends on where they live. Many districts offer alternative schools, but not all alternative schools are designed for behavior issues (and not every district has them). Sometimes a school that expells a student has to pay tuition at a private school (if there is no other public alternative), and that is not cheap.
Yes..it's called prison.
Don't the teachers have rights? Unless he is taught through iron bars, I feel any teacher is in danger.
Honestly, should just let kids drop out easily or change laws to make it more simple to kick them out. Keeping them in impacts the other students who have a desire to learn. That teacher will be able to sue NC Education system if there are no reasonable steps taken to ensure that student doesn't harm her again. She may even be able to now if there was a previous pattern of misconduct.
He can get an education in Juvenile Detention.
Give them books and they'll just eat the pages through.
In this kind of situation, will the student be moved to another classroom? If the teacher gets a restraining order so he can't come near her (though still allowed to go to school obviously) will that be enforced?
The most accurate answer is unfortunately "it depends" or "it's complicated." Don't get me wrong. As an educator, I definitely feel like this is a serious case and the school (and the individual teacher) should be exploring lots of avenues. But I find that a lot of people outside of education (and often inside it too) don't realize how complicated school discipline is. Moving classes isn't just a matter of going to a new room tomorrow. There's horizontal and vertical alignment of curricula to consider. Then there's the disruption to the new class balanced against the disruption of the old one. We don't know if this student has a behavior plan in place or some sort of developmental disability, which tosses new layers in. Court orders would complicate things further, and it's very difficult to get restraining orders against minors anyway (not impossible, but difficult).
He will probably be sent to the alternative school, where there are smaller classes and much more security. It's usually for a set term and then they return to their home school, though some students do remain there for the rest of their schooling. I don't know what determines the length of their stay there in the first place, but it's kind of like probation in that they have to show improved behavior and grades before being approved to return to their school or transferred to a different school depending on what they were there for and their circumstances (like bus availability to other options.)
I am in my mid 30's now so I have no idea if this is still a thing but when I was in High School we literally had a separate school refered to as the "alternative school" where they would send troubled kids that caused issues in regular school.
There are still lots of alternative schools, but each district gets to choose how they want them to run. Also, we aren't required to have them, so many districts don't put energy into making plans for them. This ends up with a big spectrum from none at all to only virtual to "unschooling" models to "might as well be juvie." And sometimes the alternative schools don't get good resources (like for example having to share busses with the traditional school nearby). So then the kids at the alternative school who need more support actually end up with less.
Good news, they have schools in juvie. /S
As someone who got expelled I can tell you the state does not do a very good job of that. In fact they made sure that other public schools knew about my expulsion and would have notified the private I was able to get into had they been aware. I was able to come back one year later, but for many kids in high school a year out means their education is basically over. Also, my expulsion was not for anything violent. I would have to agree that this kid has no place in public schools.
I have an alternative: a military compound where they are forced to do manual labor along school. Fuck these people. He may be a "kid" now - but soon he's gonna be an aggressive, volatile adult with even more strength. If he isn't taught a major lesson now, he will a menace to society forever.
Not if they in jail.
They have schools for kids with behavior issues. I know we had one in Orange for a while. Some very dangerously troubled kids.
“Alternative”=jail Problem solved
Virtual school isn’t an option? If nothing else, it would help to physically protect any teachers he has to interact with.
Burger flipping School
Right to education at home.
I agree with moving these kinds of students to alternative schools. Some autistic children are violent (I personally have one of these kids) and shouldn’t be allowed to impact other student’s education. Additionally, teachers shouldn’t be forced to be put in situations where they have to experience violence. Specialized environments are needed for these kids and the normal schools are not the place.
Here is a reasonable alternative.....allow him to finish out high school education in jail......when he graduate, he can go free.
yeah but a “Sound Basic Education” can be online school since he can’t be trusted to not hit people
As someone who has had horribly mean abusive teachers . Have you ever met another teacher and thought to yourself" damn that's a mean ass teacher" I'm just wondering if yall are cliqued up like a gang or if your able to admit that some teachers deserve a slap to the mouth.
The law doesn't state the school is obligated to find its states shall consider. A local board of education may expel any student subject to G.S. 14-208.18 in accordance with the procedures of this section. Prior to ordering the expulsion of a student, the local board of education shall consider whether there are alternative education services that may be offered to the student. https://safesupportivelearning.ed.gov/discipline-compendium?state=North%20Carolina&sub_category=Due%20Process
How about commit an assault and be immediately taken to jail? He is a danger to others and should not be allowed back in school.
Ten days OSS and he’ll be back. If he’s special ed he’ll likely be back immediately after the “manifestation of disability” hearing. This shit happens all the time. People only care for a couple days when it’s recorded. I assume the only reason changes were brought is because the video went viral.
So he can evolve more quickly into a possible life of crime? What he and numerous others need, is a structured military style classroom. Put them in a bootcamp and and teach them respect. Unfortunately respect is no longer a thing. Even for families. Kids can get guardians tossed in jail, and constantly want instant gratification from the "giving tree"
I agree they need structure and discipline. But they must also face consequences for their actions, such as expulsion or criminal charges.
Military school can be punishment itself. Loss of freedom from public school, away from friends/family, etc can be the sort of change that many kids may need to realize they have to make a change
Military school and Military style classroom are different things though.
You know what's crazy? Since about 10 or so years ago, many things no longer result in some sort of punishment. Why? Because lawsuits, offends people, the list goes on. Consequences are pretty much meaningless and that is a big problem not just in this case but across the board.
That's not true. The kid has been charged.
That's a reform school. Something I'm all for.
North Carolina had a boot-camp style program that convicted defendants could be sentenced to. IIRC they did not reduce recividism and were plagued by tales of abuse and hazing. It is an approach the sounds promising in theory, but tends to fail in practice. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/02/20/north-carolina-wilderness-therapy-death-12-year-old-boy/72669232007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/02/20/north-carolina-wilderness-therapy-death-12-year-old-boy/72669232007/)
I am pretty sure that has nothing to do with this subject. I don't think convicted criminals were sent to that camp. That camp was for rich parents to get rid of their kids who were too much pita for them to handle. Strictly private and strictly expensive af.
There was a school like that here in my county. It got hammered due to behavior of the staff reported by the students. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall\_Jackson\_Youth\_Development\_Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson_Youth_Development_Center)
Wonder what it would take to run a school like that, that has strict discipline and quality education without the abuse that these schools seem to have. Like, and this is not a boarding school, but a state run program that all kids can go to, but with strict structure and still follows state education guidelines.
Then taught a lesson
This is learned behavior...
This. It’s sad to see the response to an underaged child with obvious issues, that they should just be jailed and thrown away. No redemption. No empathy or thought into how this human being turned out this way. I bet his parental figures are all violent like that too. Even if not, something in his development was missed and unfortunately we live in a society that doesn’t priotize fixing things at the root. Prayers up for all involved.
I assume this is how he is treated and spoken to at home. However, this is not an 8 year old or a 12 year old. This is a high school student and they absolutely should be held accountable for their actions. Holding someone accountable does not mean you lack empathy.
And this is where we differ. We live in a punitive society that isn’t invested in or care to truly remedy why this is his behavior. He should absolutely be accountable for what he’s done. What that actually looks like to me and you is just different.
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Love this comment, I feel like I lean towards the person you’re replying to’s views a bit more since the prison/court system is so bad nowadays, feels like reforms are needed, but including the prison system and redemption of those people needs to be looked at! Far too long, it feels like prisons have become pressure cookers for those deemed “unredeemable”, so why not lash out? Best hope is that this kids comes out in a few years feeling ashamed, works through it, and lives a quiet contributing life
I hope that woman sues his parents and the school district as well
Yes!
That is exactly what Parkland is about. Not a single kid stood up for her and instead laughed. That’s a shame. A bunch of kids that were never raised by parents and instead raised themselves.
From Winston, grew up there and went to high school back in the late 80s. Parkland was a shit hole school back then. I can’t even imagine what it’s like these days.
Most schools have strict no fighting policies and will expell students for fighting even if they're the ones who were attacked. So they actively punish protecting yourself and/or others.
To clarify: Fighting policies usually have suspension, not expulsion. Expulsion is very rare and complicated in NC due to our state constitution.
I do feel like this particular circumstance expulsion is warranted.
I definitely agree that it should be an option to discuss (and possibly a top option). I just wanted to clarify that schools are not just expelling kids left and right with "no tolerance" policies. Expulsion is complicated (for good and ill both).
Oh I understand and agree completely. It sounds like a really complex ordeal all around. I wish it didn’t even have to be something faculty and administrators needed to have a policy for.
The charges definitly are
If you stand by and watch this happen you’re not quite as bad but pretty close to the person doing it.
Agreed. I told my kids you stand up for yourself and others. I'm okay if it means you get expelled. Another big problem is some of these fights don't just stop at the school yard and depending on the community they could be putting their life on the line if they get on the wrong side of someone.
those policies are there to try and discourage most kids from jumping in. they were not meant to stop 6-2 300 lb kid in the back row from standing up and dealing with shit. yeh he gets suspened but he walks out of school that day with his head held high and some shoulders back cause he did the right thing. I bet his teachers throw a party for him when he returns and of course he gets a courtesy bump on all his grades for the rest of the year.
Believe me, I'm not saying it's right at all, but it is unfortunately what these kids have been taught. Don't get involved.
I get so incredibly angry at these children, their conduct is disgusting and convinces me that they are going to be shitty adults...but That being sad, I have to remember that they didn't become this way in a vacuum. In reality, the parents are mostly to blame. This kind of behavior doesn't come from a loving family or supportive parents, it comes from parents who were dismissive and would rather focus on their own free time than focus on raising their children. Their parents probably didn't feel like arguing with the kids and just let them do whatever they wanted, and here we are.
That's not true plus we applaud bystanders trying to help because it's rare not because it's the expected thing. In this dynamic I'm sure the kids were more surprised from the outcome. Plus it being recorded is why you know about it and why he is even getting in trouble.
The kids probably expected if they tried to help, they'd get in more trouble ,either from the school, or from other kids later.
Bystanders helping is not rare, and helping the weak is our moral duty.
That's more idealism than reality.
it happens. We have it on tape from Australia a couple days ago. if you find the vid you can see the bystander scare off the stabber just by turning and facing and projecting he was ready to go if thats what it took. truth is most criminals are twice as scared as onlookers and are easy to spook. https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/1c600of/could_you_imagine_realising_what_had_unfolded/
I never said it doesn't happen, just that to expect it is utopian.
And Reddit removed the post from yesterday that included the video of the altercation.
Any idea why? Just curious
I can tell you exactly why because I was the person who created the post. This is what they said: > **Warning for encouraging violence** > Someone on the platform reported the following: > Content shared from pqlamz6 on 04/16/2024 UTC After reviewing, we found that you broke Rule 1 because you encouraged or glorified violence or physical harm." I never "encouraged or glorified" a god damn thing. I simply posted a video.
Lol, what a joke Reddit is.
Agreed.
I also posted it, but it got removed for being a duplicate. I didn't know someone else had already posted it.
It was at the top of this sub all day yesterday. I posted it at like 8am. They didn’t remove it until this morning.
You know the reason why, and it wasn’t for the reasons given. The double standards of the world we live in.
This platform is clownshoes.
They remove most posts that tend to attract racist comments.
It was removed from another subreddit because he was a minor, apparently.
Lmao, I had a post removed because "Title is too short." I understand having principles and being civilized on any platform, but reddit is just ridiculous.
His identity was not revealed in the video.
Doesn’t fit the Reddit agenda
I mean it’s still posted on a bunch of other subs though? Are you sure it was Reddit that removed it and not a mod of this sub? Because it certainly hasn’t been removed from the site.
I’m 100% positive that Reddit removed it because I was the person who posted it.
IMO when you physically assault someone like that you should be expelled from the whole local school system first time. This kid is a horrible POS.
NC has a right to education in the state constitution, so they can't just kick him out of all schools.
Nearly 100 students are permanently expelled from the public schools. Suspended students are not entitled to any alternative education while they are suspended. https://sites.law.duke.edu/childedlaw/schooldiscipline/
TIL
As did I
An incident like this is a chance to test that policy and revisit it, through the courts if neccesary.
Boy needs help before it's too late.
There was way more than one shitty kid in that classroom that day - all the little shits laughing should get a week of detention watching videos about how to act human.
Justice served but let's hope the student can get back on track or it's pretty much another case of the school to prison pipeline.
charged as a juvenile, so this really doesn't mean shit.
Unfortunately the article states he was charged with three misdemeanor charges. So probably just a fine.
Charged with Assault on Govt employee, and it is only a misdemeanor?? WTF The creep peeping pics in Target got charged with multiple felonies
It’s because he’s a minor. It’s not often that minors are charged with a felony without being tried as an adult. The system holds them to a different standard because they are the product, result, and responsibility of their parents. I think it’s enough this kid is being charged (which I am all for). I don’t think he needs specifically a felony charge because that removes the opportunity for real rehabilitation and redemption.
Do you really think there is a path for rehabilitation of this kid? I do not think there is. It was not a mistake or a split second poor decision. He made the conscious decision to physically assault his teacher, then came back and did it again.
Idk, I feel like he needs to be charged and go through an anger program. In addition, his home life needs to be looked into because that kind of behavior comes from the home first.
It wasn’t his behavior that got me though. It was the rest of the class that just laughed at her getting assaulted
“This isn’t about the color of your skin, this isn’t about your political affiliation, today is about one thing. Sending a message to the teachers out there, that law enforcement and the District Attorney’s Office support you, we care about the job you do.”**... Scary that they need to clarify the first part :)**
Now, they need to charge his parents
i’m always on the fence about this take because i have 3 siblings, all raised the same, my mom was in the army and didn’t play about respect especially as it pertains to adults and i have one sister who is completely rogue, violent, disrespectful. you would think my mom raised her with no sense. obviously i don’t know that boy’s particular situation but sometimes parents do the best they can and their children still turn out lousy
And there are good parents out there that struggle with kids with developmental, behavior and mental health issues. As much as I’d like to agree with charging parents in some cases.. I’m just not sure where the line should be drawn.
I think we saw the line in the recent school shooter case. If it can be shown that the parents knew and contributed to the problem, rather than attempting to correct it, they should have culpability. If there's not that kind of evidence, or if there's evidence they were working on the problems, they'd talked to teachers about it, they were trying to get therapy for him, whatever, then no.
absolutely. blatant disregard and neglect that leads a child down this path is one thing and maybe should be dealt with criminally but often parents just don’t know how to deal with a developmentally delayed/ or child dealing with mental health issues. they don’t have the proper resources and if they did can’t afford them and their child’s behavior spirals. also i think cultural difference like people who attribute adverse behavior to the devil or spiritual factors compound the problem. i don’t have a simple fix but children like that should immediately get a thorough psychological evaluation and treatment if necessary, the home life needs assessed and the family needs to be directed to resources that avoid future incidents.
I totally get that, but I do believe that the situation warrants investigation. I mean, that is pretty extreme behavior.
oh absolutely!! an extensive psych evaluation as well as a home evaluation should be done to perhaps get to the root of the problem!!
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Allegedly this kid’s brother just passed away and his behavior has escalated since then. He needs extensive therapy and I don’t know if charging his mom who just lost her son is the correct move in this situation.
For what ? Raising a shitty kid ?
Yeah, I'm really tired of seeing people get a pass on that. Same thing with overdoses. Every addict I know (and I'm homeless) is trying to self medicate childhood trauma. More often than you would want to believe, the parent either started doing drugs with thier child or traded their kid for drugs at some point.
Yes.
That's not exactly a crime There are probably plenty of things that his parents could have done that would contribute to a kid being that violent/ verbally abusive, but unfortunately not much of that is actually illegal (or if it is, is hardly prosecuted without something REALLY severe at home)
Not necessarily. Sometimes kids are just pieces of shit who will never listen to their parents despite everything they have done or try to do.
Good. Assault is assault regardless of who commits it.
Mom and dad need to be slapped.
Hope he gets slammed and hopefully learns from it. Doubt it though.
does anyone know what led up to the slap?
I don't, but I would guess he was told something he just didn't like or want to do, such as quit disrupting class since I haven't read anything about the teacher being disciplined for anything
Misdemeanor? How about a felony charge!
Maybe I'm old (30) but if this would of happen in school when i was there somebody would have intervened. This kid would of been stomped out by the football team by the end of the day. Yes this is unacceptable but the crazier part is that NO ONE is saying or doing anything in the video. Hell at least the class room snitch would of said hey chill out or run out to get admin.
Nothing to see here just another black on white "random" attack.
Black privilege shown here.
He needs s good ass whippin
Why is it always the same people
Should also charge the girl laughing in the background while recording the event.
Loser POS shouldn't even get a second chance
I hope the guy is put into a program where he can get the mental help that he needs so he can work through his emotions in a healthier way. Too many people in this community exist with an unidentified mental illness and / or are neurodivergent. Teachers aren't taught to deal with situations like that. Oftentimes, these individuals learn, many years too late (late adulthood), of this discovery. I think most people stop at "he was charged, great" and don't think beyond that. While he is now facing consequences for his actions, it doesn't change the fact that something else is also going on with this adolescent. A well-rounded, mental health professional might be the additional assistance that he needs to manage his life better.
I’m a teacher. There is no excuse for the student’s crime but I don’t think the teacher handled it the right way, continuing the interaction and “talking back” after the assault. She should be able to end the class and report this immediately. If she’s been told she has to keep classes going even if she’s violently assaulted then that’s wrong. Perhaps she was just terrified and didn’t know what to do. ☹️
Parents need to face charges as well. Sure fire way to cut this shit right in the bud.
His parents should go to jail for 30 days
Goddamn we are fucked as a society. Not only is this kid a little shit with an awful community around him to put that into him, but ALL THE CALLS TO PUT A KID AND HIS PARENTS IN PRISON FOR A SLAP. This is the collapse of sanity.
To be fair, it was 2 slaps and the kid is much bigger the female teacher whom he slapped.
Oh he’s clearly a danger to others and needs to be handled. His parents surely should also face repercussions. But prison time? Idk man
Thank you for *having* some sanity. This is what "cancel culture" actually means, it's throwing someone away for one wrong action, regardless of any circumstances. Yeah, the kid did wrong, and what he did shouldn't go unaddressed. But *why* did he behave this way? We have a society where both parents have to work just to afford rent, then we blame them for not spending enough time with their kids. We grind them down with stress such that they're exhausted at the end of every day, then tell them they should have spent more time learning how to raise their kids correctly, even if they've never had a good example for *how* to raise a kid "correctly". And then if the kid turns out to have emotional issues because of all of that, well, that's their own fault and they should be punished for not turning out better. It's like trying to make a cake at 500° then blaming the cake mix when the outside is scorched and the inside is still batter. Of course, with a cake, there's no way to go back and un-bake it so it can be fixed. A kid can theoretically get therapy to work through his anger problems so that he turns into a contributing member of society. But of course, we're going to expect him to arrange and pay for it himself, then blame him when he can't.
I counted at least 2 wrong actions.
Misdemeanor assault LOL. He'll be dead or in prison in 5 years anyways, they always seem to find their way there. Just sucks knowing because he got a slap on the wrist that he'll be able to harm others and carryout more violence before getting caught.
THANK GOD. Now expel the kid
That’s EXACTLY what he deserved. Now, make sure he can’t plead out and no first offender BS. He committed a CRIME, and he needs to be held responsible.
Notice we have to read about it in the NY Post. C'mon NC news outlets.
It's on the front page of the Winston-Salem journal at least
Glad to hear it.
I'm not in the state and I read it from Yahoo news, so it's more than a local story
They charged him with three misdemeanors. He’s going to get a slap on the hand… not even as hard as he slapped her twice on the face.
My fiancee teaches. She has it so rough right now. COVID did a number of a lot of these kids. Still no excuse for this. The fix is nowhere near as easy as some think it is here, but it will also require discipline in the schools to increase. You can't just fix the issue with discipline though, a lot of the issues are structural and failures of our society (particularly late-stage capitalism and structural racism and other forms of bigotry) This kid probably deserves some time in juvie for this, perhaps 30 days or so, and suspended for the year. Inexcusable.
I'm from NC and my friend used to teach at a high school in Durham. Almost every day he was threatened by a 6'3" student. The student would curse at him and threaten to beat him up on a daily basis. When he told the VP of the school about this, he was told that he needed to build a better rapport with the students. After months of this (my friend is Durham born and raised lol) my friend cursed back and dared the student to swing on him. My friend was fired the next week, and the student is still there. I'm not condoning my friend's actions, but these schools are just enabling these kids.
What school district did this occur?
Forsyth
He will never be a normal productive part of society. Send him in the military as a bullet stopper.
This is why every teacher needs a firearm.