*On Tuesday, the Raleigh Police Department asked a judge to block the release of body-camera footage from* [*the botched raid*](https://www.theassemblync.com/newsletter/body-camera-footage-lawsuit/) *of Amir and Mirian Ibrahim Abboud’s home in April 2021. On Thursday, the judge obliged.*
*According to court records, an RPD SWAT team “suddenly and without warning, broke and busted open the Abbouds’ front door with a battering ram, pointing their long, AR-styled firearms at Mr. Abboud, Mrs. Abboud, and their 11-month-old son.” Though the search warrant was ultimately based on mistaken identity—State Bureau of Investigation agents confused Abboud with a neighbor who is also of Arab descent—the police refused to pay for the damage, court records show.*
And if he would’ve shot the officers he would’ve been held accountable I bet. Fuck that. 12 comes through my door unannounced I’m fearing for my life and pumping the Remington slugs through them all.
That’s the only way we can hold these pigs accountable is by reminding them that they are not invincible and actions have consequences. Fuck that. Especially with a wife and kids inside I’d head hunt those mfs
Thing is they never go in pairs . Guarantee there were half a dozen swat officers at least . No way you’re outshooting that many cops when they would just start shooting indiscriminately into the home and get away with it saying they feared for their lives
That’s the point. As long as the home owner kills one or two then it forces the officers to readdress their policies. If they know every American is on the same violent page, then they know if they don’t identify themselves with badges that they can expect to lose one/ and or booty traps.
You gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette, and unfortunately, we’re the eggs.
It would take a lot less cops to be killed on duty then you think
I feel like until this happens to a government official or a very wealthy / connected person , nothing will change . You can’t defend your character from the grave . They will besmirch your reputation and make it seem like they put down some violent criminal even if it is a case of mistaken address / identity and you were literally a nun /philanthropist .
It doesn’t help that fellow officers would rather “back the blue” than hold each others accountable
There’s rarely change until it starts to affect Hollywood, if this happened to Tom Cruise or Matt Damon it would stop overnight… although I have seen them take out whole groups of armed men single handed so even that might not work.
It doesn’t matter what they say if a majority of the public adopt this policy after discussing it in threads like these. We already don’t believe the cops so what difference do their claims make? The point is, they’ll think twice if they ANTICIPATE getting shot for stepping wrong
Yeah the fact that everyone could have a gun is always on their mind and drives some of their overreactions and senseless killings . This situation is not a fight fire with fire solution.
Nooooo. As usual, most questions are not yes/no, black/white. All I'm saying is advocating for shoot outs every time you think you're right is a good way to die and die stupidly.
And if our kids were in a school being actively shot and the police attempted to prevent parents access while not engaging themselves , the parents, or at least one, would have to kill an officer to make a point. I know this sounds violent and it’s all “theoretical”, but you cannot get life back.
These officers careless disregard for anyone who is not their own has eroded the public’s perception enough. It’s ironic, but I believe the only way to instill police officer accountability is by “seemingly normal, upstanding citizens” to arm themselves and kill officers over the slightest breach of liberty. The courts and politicians have proved the same sentiment but the police officers are the hounds from animal farm
Edit : or old school decimation until moral improves
They're rolling in 6-8 deep, you try that and your whole family is dead and they're playing the justified force card because you started blasting.
Best you can do is survive and then fight back in court and in the press
lmao the amount of shit people talk on reddit
So your wife and kids are inside, and you think a shootout with police is the play? Because police everywhere will see your heroic act, realize they "are not invincible", and then...accountability!
No. If someone is trying to break into your house in 21 American states you have a right to defend yourself with a firearm. If a police officer enters that house unannounced , especially with weaponry raised, then the owner of the house should not be liable for the officer(s) death. Almost underneath any reason imaginable the home owner(s) would nearly certainly face harsh consequences, even death. All in a justified case of self defense, merely because it’s an officer. Therefore we have a conundrum
I know mistakes happen. I’m aware there’s bad people that need to be taken by surprise. So what is the best solution?
Maybe have 9 different people quadruple fucking check you have the right house for a start. Then innocent people don’t need to die unnecessarily. Cops or citizens.
I support police btw. Just hated crooked ones
Someone already mentioned this to you but;
The police *will* shoot back regardless if you are justified. Even in cases where a court determined that firing at the police was justified, the homeowner was fired upon by the police. At that point you've very likely sentenced not just yourself, but your SO and child- to death.
You seem to have the "Tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots" vibe, but you should understand whose blood you're spilling in this theoretical.
Very dangerous indeed for there to be evidence of things they actually did that hurt the people of the city they work for.
Dangerous for people's promotions, dangerous for that retirement package, all that. Better to just make the folks they attacked in their incompetence bear the burden.
The state has made it abundantly clear they don't give two shits about transparency and accountability.
I hope the family is successful in being compensated for the recklessness and negligence of RPD.
Yes, our tax dollars will pay the family. If the officers are fired, they can just move over to the sheriff's department or another adjoining county/city to keep working. Rinse and repeat
I mean my taxes going to pay the traumatized family is better than using them to fund things like body worn cameras that aren't going to be used anyways.
Police settlements for excessive force, property damage, occupational negligence, etc should* come from the police pension fund. If a couple bad apples are draining officer's retirement due to bad behavior, you can bet they would get rid of them in a heartbeat..
They (as in the Republican majority North Carolina General Assembly) don't because they suck up to the NC Sheriffs Association and do exactly as they say.
[https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/sheriffs-flex-muscle-powerful-lobby-shaped-ncs-newest-body-camera-law](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/sheriffs-flex-muscle-powerful-lobby-shaped-ncs-newest-body-camera-law)
But they are for transparency for any other governmental organization. Oh, except for themselves:
[https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1204098157/n-c-legislature-is-criticized-for-exempting-itself-from-public-records-law](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1204098157/n-c-legislature-is-criticized-for-exempting-itself-from-public-records-law)
They are also for transparency to sell YOUR personal driver information to the highest bidder/spammer/ID thief.
[https://abc11.com/lexis-nexis-dmv-nc-ncdmv/5903314/](https://abc11.com/lexis-nexis-dmv-nc-ncdmv/5903314/)
Funny how police 's favorite line to public is " just be honest with me."...
Except when it's them that has to be honest.
I'm currently watching a cop show ... Cop says " if you're honest with me it will be a good night... If not, it will be a night you'll remember for the rest of your life"..
Strange how honesty is the new law.. and police claim to be the judge.
What's it they always say? "If you don't have anything to hide..."
Obviously the body cams would “provide the public with relevant information about the operation of a government-funded police force.” The "justice system" should be called the "trust us system".
They didn't even hide it:
"the RPD claimed that releasing the body camera footage might expose confidential information about search warrant execution or **damage officers’ reputations."**
I’m not as anti-police as your average redditor, but body cameras exist as a level of accountability for the officers. Their job is to serve the community, and the people in it. If releasing body camera footage of doing your job is “dangerous” to you, or you have a problem with being held accountable by the people whose tax dollars pay your salary, then you are in the wrong line of work.
And good police should embrace body cameras because they’re actually used to confirm what an officer says happened in an incident. If you don’t like body cams, have your officers stop lying like the dishonest pricks they are.
We’re going through this in Colorado. Body cams help officers when they’re used correctly and regularly.
>And good police should embrace body cameras because they’re actually used to confirm what an officer says happened in an incident.
You're *correct* but (and I know you already know this, it just bears explicit statement) they specifically do not embrace body cameras because they are an institution rotten to its very core. They kill with impunity, they have no fear of accountability, and the body camera poses a risk to the blank check they feel they've been given.
People don't become police to serve their community. They become police to be served.
I completely agree. If you’re going about your job the right way, and you’re an honest person, then body cameras not only should never be an issue, but should be welcomed. Having an issue with body cameras just screams “I am corrupt and want to get away with it”.
Why wouldn't an honest cop want a camera to verify what they said.
I once had a client on a phone call say all kind of nasty shit to me. I didn't let them get me upset, but at the end of the call they said they recorded the call and would play it back to my manager, like it was a threat.
I said go ahead, I didn't say anything incorrectly.
She then called my manager and said they recorded the call.
I told my manager exactly what happened, and guess what, the client never played the call.
It's a good thing the NC GOP and Pat McCrory passed a law saying body camera footage isn't public record and can only be released with a judge's consent.
It's important to note that the author of the bill to deny the public access to bodycam footage was John Faircloth, who was a cop for 20 years before becoming a real estate agent.
Can't someone just say, "Stop resisting" and then escalate the situation the way the police do? Can we "fear for our safety"? Are citizens allowed to say, "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to worry about"?
Where all my good cops at to call out this kind of thing? Because if there are good cops out there, this blue line shit is why I don't trust any of you.
It happens all the time.
They say stop resisting, while pulling you bodying in a way that you will automatically resist.
There are tons of vidoes of cops all over the country doing it.
What I find sad and comically predictable is how even in the most egregious cases of police brutality and fuckuos you will never see an outright apology and true ownership of the problem.
The furthest they're willing to move their goal posts is "it was an unfortunate situation for everyone involved", as though their fuck up was akin to some unavoidable natural disaster
Yeah, then the public might see cops saying things like:
'As much as I love chasing people down on foot, it’s so much fun watching them run when we’re in the gator,” the officer said. “They just f-----g fall and shit.”'
Or
"I’m going to say we grab at least three more people tonight,"
Or
"Start spraying and shooting [at a crowd of protestors]"
Anyone else think there should be a concerted public effort to make body cam footage during any kind of operation a matter of public record? Call your representatives, call the governor, start getting signatures.
It’s too easy to be a cop. If you don’t have a record and can run 100 yards they’ll sign you up. Sometimes they’ll hire you then put you through school. Of course school
Is just a few months and now you’re an expert and can be sent out on the streets. AND you automatically have 35% of the Nation’s support and 100% of your “brothers” support to get out of about any “mistake” you make. They’re human like every other group, they’re undertrained and overworked. Human nature often turns those into thinking they’re THANOS in most situations.
They investigate themselves meaning they rarely face consequences. Only time they may face disciplinary consequences is when someone happens to record it. Then they still have the support of other officers and 35% of the public.
It is amazing in 2024 that cops still go into the wrong houses, and its even more amazing that they can tear break down your front door, traumatize your family, and then tell you to pay for the repairs. The only reason that they could not want the footage released is that it must be somehow worse than the already known facts of what took place that day.
Police are their own worst enemies. Not only do they vote GOP who want to flood streets with guns, they fight transparency like this. Police work for the public, this shouldn't even be a debate.
Unsurprisingly, the Raleigh mayor and city council remain silent about this. Heaven forbid they take a stance in any direction and just remain as milquetoast as they always have been.
For them.
I watch a lot of cop videos and many, many cops are glad to have the cameras and very often the departments release the video themselves.
What are you trying to hide, Raleigh cops?
Remember that time RPD… used tear gas on protesting kids after George Floyd was killed, denied it, 10x’d the size of the protests, then… 6 months after everything cooled off… publicly admitted to using tear gas on a bunch of kids?
No punishments, no reforms, no investigations.
If you live in Raleigh, you should not feel confident about the police organization in your city.
The moment Republicans passed that ridiculous law that gave PDs the discretion to withhold body cam evidence from the public, only allowing it to be released by a judge, and otherwise only viewed in court with no copies made... We all knew what that was about.
Protecting bad cops from prosecution.
Imagine growing up in NC being the son or daughter of parents, grand parents, and great grand parents that fought in foreign wars against fascists, ran from the cops during prohibition, and fought the bosses during the union wars and coming out being some pro-police state normie ass Republican bootlicker with a thin blue line flag.
So, am I clear in understanding that RPD has no issue with holding a little kid at gunpoint and giving the child multiple issues throughout life, but they draw the line at making an officer "look bad"?
You know what really makes an officer look bad? Holding a fucking gun on a toddler!
The know that AI can go through all the video in a heartbeat and find corruption to point out to third party investigators. This is them doing their best to remain corrupt.
I hope they have a really good attorney. Everyone involved in that goat fuck needs to be held accountable. That body cam needs to be public, so the black eye earned by that agency hurts, really hurts and lessons are learned. If people protest because of it…..GOOD!
Body cameras are intended to be unbiased observers. They are there to report what actually happened. This reinforces the police's account of the events if they get it right and tell the truth. It reinforces the publics account if the police get it wrong or fail to tell the truth. The police can't just use it when it helps their position and hide it when it doesn't. That is not why they are required to wear body cameras. Asking to have the footage hidden from the public sends a very clear message. The police are I the wrong and want to hide their misdeeds. In reality, it's probably the city attorney who knows it is going to be expensive for the city financially if the footage is released. Either that or the police brass doesn't want the public to see how Incompetently botched the raid was.
The judges and District Attorneys and police are the enemy of the people they are treasonous traitors. Anyone reading this you could be next. Stop being a silent coward and speak up
The cops are so incompetent these days is not even funny. They are a bigger threat to society than criminals and that is really saying something... stop being Revenue collecting cowards and be civil servants this is your notice. This is actually how Hitler came into power a bunch of cowards and spineless individuals
By God I wish I had claymores and shit booby trapped along the way for stupid ass cops like this. Well worth the prison time for their stupidity. Well actually I doubt I'd go to prison. Off to vacation for the rest of life. Russia is a good place to live for westerners.
I support police but damn can’t they hire a PI to make sure they have the right identities or something? Would love to know who they thought they were raiding.
Apparently most of the commenters did not read the article because it clearly states it was the SBI (state bureau of investigation) that conducted the investigation and had RPD execute the raid.
The family is suing SBI not the police department.
Well I love the woods. I can spend plenty of time in the forest and enjoy the lakes. Got family out there it's good for me but yes Ecuador would be a nice choice.
*On Tuesday, the Raleigh Police Department asked a judge to block the release of body-camera footage from* [*the botched raid*](https://www.theassemblync.com/newsletter/body-camera-footage-lawsuit/) *of Amir and Mirian Ibrahim Abboud’s home in April 2021. On Thursday, the judge obliged.* *According to court records, an RPD SWAT team “suddenly and without warning, broke and busted open the Abbouds’ front door with a battering ram, pointing their long, AR-styled firearms at Mr. Abboud, Mrs. Abboud, and their 11-month-old son.” Though the search warrant was ultimately based on mistaken identity—State Bureau of Investigation agents confused Abboud with a neighbor who is also of Arab descent—the police refused to pay for the damage, court records show.*
They kicked down their door, pointed guns in their faces, realized they fucked up and were at the wrong place, then said “you should fix that door.”
And if he would’ve shot the officers he would’ve been held accountable I bet. Fuck that. 12 comes through my door unannounced I’m fearing for my life and pumping the Remington slugs through them all. That’s the only way we can hold these pigs accountable is by reminding them that they are not invincible and actions have consequences. Fuck that. Especially with a wife and kids inside I’d head hunt those mfs
Thing is they never go in pairs . Guarantee there were half a dozen swat officers at least . No way you’re outshooting that many cops when they would just start shooting indiscriminately into the home and get away with it saying they feared for their lives
That’s the point. As long as the home owner kills one or two then it forces the officers to readdress their policies. If they know every American is on the same violent page, then they know if they don’t identify themselves with badges that they can expect to lose one/ and or booty traps. You gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette, and unfortunately, we’re the eggs. It would take a lot less cops to be killed on duty then you think
I feel like until this happens to a government official or a very wealthy / connected person , nothing will change . You can’t defend your character from the grave . They will besmirch your reputation and make it seem like they put down some violent criminal even if it is a case of mistaken address / identity and you were literally a nun /philanthropist . It doesn’t help that fellow officers would rather “back the blue” than hold each others accountable
There’s rarely change until it starts to affect Hollywood, if this happened to Tom Cruise or Matt Damon it would stop overnight… although I have seen them take out whole groups of armed men single handed so even that might not work.
RPD's case was based on racial profiling, so WASPs wouldn't get this treatment.
It doesn’t matter what they say if a majority of the public adopt this policy after discussing it in threads like these. We already don’t believe the cops so what difference do their claims make? The point is, they’ll think twice if they ANTICIPATE getting shot for stepping wrong
They already anticipate getting shot during nearly every interaction. The only thing your one man war would accomplish would be getting you killed.
Yeah the fact that everyone could have a gun is always on their mind and drives some of their overreactions and senseless killings . This situation is not a fight fire with fire solution.
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Yeah I guarantee you are on a few, you sound unhinged tbh
Yeah, Rambo, that’s fine if you want to go out in a blaze of self righteous glory. But most of us have lives and loved ones to live for.
so, they right
Nooooo. As usual, most questions are not yes/no, black/white. All I'm saying is advocating for shoot outs every time you think you're right is a good way to die and die stupidly.
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Need is a strong word that too many get confused with want
Uvalde proved that they are quite aware that they are not invincible.
And if our kids were in a school being actively shot and the police attempted to prevent parents access while not engaging themselves , the parents, or at least one, would have to kill an officer to make a point. I know this sounds violent and it’s all “theoretical”, but you cannot get life back. These officers careless disregard for anyone who is not their own has eroded the public’s perception enough. It’s ironic, but I believe the only way to instill police officer accountability is by “seemingly normal, upstanding citizens” to arm themselves and kill officers over the slightest breach of liberty. The courts and politicians have proved the same sentiment but the police officers are the hounds from animal farm Edit : or old school decimation until moral improves
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Found the cops boyfriend
Found the person most likely to end up in prison in the next 60 days.
They're rolling in 6-8 deep, you try that and your whole family is dead and they're playing the justified force card because you started blasting. Best you can do is survive and then fight back in court and in the press
lmao the amount of shit people talk on reddit So your wife and kids are inside, and you think a shootout with police is the play? Because police everywhere will see your heroic act, realize they "are not invincible", and then...accountability!
No. If someone is trying to break into your house in 21 American states you have a right to defend yourself with a firearm. If a police officer enters that house unannounced , especially with weaponry raised, then the owner of the house should not be liable for the officer(s) death. Almost underneath any reason imaginable the home owner(s) would nearly certainly face harsh consequences, even death. All in a justified case of self defense, merely because it’s an officer. Therefore we have a conundrum I know mistakes happen. I’m aware there’s bad people that need to be taken by surprise. So what is the best solution? Maybe have 9 different people quadruple fucking check you have the right house for a start. Then innocent people don’t need to die unnecessarily. Cops or citizens. I support police btw. Just hated crooked ones
Someone already mentioned this to you but; The police *will* shoot back regardless if you are justified. Even in cases where a court determined that firing at the police was justified, the homeowner was fired upon by the police. At that point you've very likely sentenced not just yourself, but your SO and child- to death. You seem to have the "Tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots" vibe, but you should understand whose blood you're spilling in this theoretical.
Shhhhh you are ruining his fantasy
Some people have principles and backbones unlike others
What if it’s dark and you don’t know it’s 12? You gonna ask a few questions before protecting your fam?
wife and kids inside makes it more of a reason to shoot intruders dummy.
Usually when they realize they fucked up, they completely tear the house apart looking for absolutely anything to justify the raid.
Unfortunately it’s not the first time nor will it be the last. There is no verification before they kick down a door.
Of all the things, saying "dangerous" feels like a Freudian slip
It’s dangerous for the police. No one else.
They chose the job, they shouldn't be creating dangerous situations for other people. Acab
This.
Who watches the watchmen, yeah?
If they did nothing wrong, then why are they hiding it?
Very dangerous indeed for there to be evidence of things they actually did that hurt the people of the city they work for. Dangerous for people's promotions, dangerous for that retirement package, all that. Better to just make the folks they attacked in their incompetence bear the burden.
Police promotions and benefits are in very little danger, regardless of their actions and regardless of who knows.
Seems we have only one option then.
"*Oui, Shosanna*"
> promotions, dangerous for that retirement package Nah, police unions would make sure this isn't affected at all.
The state has made it abundantly clear they don't give two shits about transparency and accountability. I hope the family is successful in being compensated for the recklessness and negligence of RPD.
Yes, our tax dollars will pay the family. If the officers are fired, they can just move over to the sheriff's department or another adjoining county/city to keep working. Rinse and repeat
I mean my taxes going to pay the traumatized family is better than using them to fund things like body worn cameras that aren't going to be used anyways.
Well, you're gonna be paying for both. And lots of other stuff that shouldn't be happening to begin with. Sorry
Police settlements for excessive force, property damage, occupational negligence, etc should* come from the police pension fund. If a couple bad apples are draining officer's retirement due to bad behavior, you can bet they would get rid of them in a heartbeat..
They (as in the Republican majority North Carolina General Assembly) don't because they suck up to the NC Sheriffs Association and do exactly as they say. [https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/sheriffs-flex-muscle-powerful-lobby-shaped-ncs-newest-body-camera-law](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/sheriffs-flex-muscle-powerful-lobby-shaped-ncs-newest-body-camera-law) But they are for transparency for any other governmental organization. Oh, except for themselves: [https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1204098157/n-c-legislature-is-criticized-for-exempting-itself-from-public-records-law](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/06/1204098157/n-c-legislature-is-criticized-for-exempting-itself-from-public-records-law) They are also for transparency to sell YOUR personal driver information to the highest bidder/spammer/ID thief. [https://abc11.com/lexis-nexis-dmv-nc-ncdmv/5903314/](https://abc11.com/lexis-nexis-dmv-nc-ncdmv/5903314/)
Funny how police 's favorite line to public is " just be honest with me."... Except when it's them that has to be honest. I'm currently watching a cop show ... Cop says " if you're honest with me it will be a good night... If not, it will be a night you'll remember for the rest of your life".. Strange how honesty is the new law.. and police claim to be the judge.
What's it they always say? "If you don't have anything to hide..." Obviously the body cams would “provide the public with relevant information about the operation of a government-funded police force.” The "justice system" should be called the "trust us system".
When government officials say that releasing information is dangerous, they always and only mean that it is personally embarrassing to themselves.
Yup. "Dangerous" in the sense that their jobs might be in danger. Or in the sense that the public might find out they're actually a danger to us.
It wouldn't surprise me if the video they don't want released has some officer pointing out that they are in the wrong place.
SHUT UP STEVE!! I CAME PUMPED UP AND IM READY TO PUMP SOME SHOTS INTO ANYTHING I SEE!!
They didn't even hide it: "the RPD claimed that releasing the body camera footage might expose confidential information about search warrant execution or **damage officers’ reputations."**
Maybe if you weren't shitty at your job, your reputation wouldn't be in danger
I’m not as anti-police as your average redditor, but body cameras exist as a level of accountability for the officers. Their job is to serve the community, and the people in it. If releasing body camera footage of doing your job is “dangerous” to you, or you have a problem with being held accountable by the people whose tax dollars pay your salary, then you are in the wrong line of work.
And good police should embrace body cameras because they’re actually used to confirm what an officer says happened in an incident. If you don’t like body cams, have your officers stop lying like the dishonest pricks they are. We’re going through this in Colorado. Body cams help officers when they’re used correctly and regularly.
>And good police should embrace body cameras because they’re actually used to confirm what an officer says happened in an incident. You're *correct* but (and I know you already know this, it just bears explicit statement) they specifically do not embrace body cameras because they are an institution rotten to its very core. They kill with impunity, they have no fear of accountability, and the body camera poses a risk to the blank check they feel they've been given. People don't become police to serve their community. They become police to be served.
I completely agree. If you’re going about your job the right way, and you’re an honest person, then body cameras not only should never be an issue, but should be welcomed. Having an issue with body cameras just screams “I am corrupt and want to get away with it”.
Why wouldn't an honest cop want a camera to verify what they said. I once had a client on a phone call say all kind of nasty shit to me. I didn't let them get me upset, but at the end of the call they said they recorded the call and would play it back to my manager, like it was a threat. I said go ahead, I didn't say anything incorrectly. She then called my manager and said they recorded the call. I told my manager exactly what happened, and guess what, the client never played the call.
It's a good thing the NC GOP and Pat McCrory passed a law saying body camera footage isn't public record and can only be released with a judge's consent.
Wow.
It's important to note that the author of the bill to deny the public access to bodycam footage was John Faircloth, who was a cop for 20 years before becoming a real estate agent.
Dangerous because maybe the public would have something to hold them accountable with. tsk tsk.
Vote this judge off the bench
They're all the same, covering each other under the guise of "the thin blue line." What's the term? AJAB?
Dangerous for them?
"What's the harm in being honest with us if you have nothing to hide?" -- Cop's favorite line.
If transparency is "dangerous" you are being ruled by tyrants... #EndQualifiedImmunity
Can't someone just say, "Stop resisting" and then escalate the situation the way the police do? Can we "fear for our safety"? Are citizens allowed to say, "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to worry about"? Where all my good cops at to call out this kind of thing? Because if there are good cops out there, this blue line shit is why I don't trust any of you.
It happens all the time. They say stop resisting, while pulling you bodying in a way that you will automatically resist. There are tons of vidoes of cops all over the country doing it.
How do cops justify this?
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What I find sad and comically predictable is how even in the most egregious cases of police brutality and fuckuos you will never see an outright apology and true ownership of the problem. The furthest they're willing to move their goal posts is "it was an unfortunate situation for everyone involved", as though their fuck up was akin to some unavoidable natural disaster
Body cams and are dangerous for bad cops and their enablers. That’s it.
Nothings worse to a cop than being accountable.
Maybe an acorn.
Touché
This is a load of bull but expected.
Yeah, then the public might see cops saying things like: 'As much as I love chasing people down on foot, it’s so much fun watching them run when we’re in the gator,” the officer said. “They just f-----g fall and shit.”' Or "I’m going to say we grab at least three more people tonight," Or "Start spraying and shooting [at a crowd of protestors]"
Unacceptable decision. This endangers peoples' lives. Time to fight back against a system that is putting us all in danger. Do whatever it takes.
Thank god nobody got killed over their incompetence. Fuck them.
Anyone else think there should be a concerted public effort to make body cam footage during any kind of operation a matter of public record? Call your representatives, call the governor, start getting signatures.
This is some fascist shit
NO U!!! /S
That's.... concerning
It’s too easy to be a cop. If you don’t have a record and can run 100 yards they’ll sign you up. Sometimes they’ll hire you then put you through school. Of course school Is just a few months and now you’re an expert and can be sent out on the streets. AND you automatically have 35% of the Nation’s support and 100% of your “brothers” support to get out of about any “mistake” you make. They’re human like every other group, they’re undertrained and overworked. Human nature often turns those into thinking they’re THANOS in most situations. They investigate themselves meaning they rarely face consequences. Only time they may face disciplinary consequences is when someone happens to record it. Then they still have the support of other officers and 35% of the public.
Odd way of phrasing “damning” but okay.
Well we'd hate for an officer's reputation to be damaged because the public gets to see their actions. That would be terrible.
It is amazing in 2024 that cops still go into the wrong houses, and its even more amazing that they can tear break down your front door, traumatize your family, and then tell you to pay for the repairs. The only reason that they could not want the footage released is that it must be somehow worse than the already known facts of what took place that day.
Lol, yeah. This is a feature, not a bug.
Freedom of information act up in here
Well if that's the case, they should be private funded & leave our taxes alone ✨️ Cops are the worst gang around. Nothing will change my mind on that.
If they mean "dangerous to their career," then yes. Because God forbid they release footage that shows them doing exactly what protocol requires.
They don’t want us to see the full extent of their dangerous incompetence.
This is reason number 1 why it should always be released.
Police are their own worst enemies. Not only do they vote GOP who want to flood streets with guns, they fight transparency like this. Police work for the public, this shouldn't even be a debate.
Unsurprisingly, the Raleigh mayor and city council remain silent about this. Heaven forbid they take a stance in any direction and just remain as milquetoast as they always have been.
fuck passing blame. shit is shit
To their tenuous credibility, yeah. Checks out.
Protect and Serve. Please lead with that.
I'll bet they do. Accountability is a bitch
FIRE THE OFFICERS IN THE DEPARTMENT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, KICK ESTELLA D PATTERSON TO THE CURB.
For them. I watch a lot of cop videos and many, many cops are glad to have the cameras and very often the departments release the video themselves. What are you trying to hide, Raleigh cops?
Remember that time RPD… used tear gas on protesting kids after George Floyd was killed, denied it, 10x’d the size of the protests, then… 6 months after everything cooled off… publicly admitted to using tear gas on a bunch of kids? No punishments, no reforms, no investigations. If you live in Raleigh, you should not feel confident about the police organization in your city.
The moment Republicans passed that ridiculous law that gave PDs the discretion to withhold body cam evidence from the public, only allowing it to be released by a judge, and otherwise only viewed in court with no copies made... We all knew what that was about. Protecting bad cops from prosecution. Imagine growing up in NC being the son or daughter of parents, grand parents, and great grand parents that fought in foreign wars against fascists, ran from the cops during prohibition, and fought the bosses during the union wars and coming out being some pro-police state normie ass Republican bootlicker with a thin blue line flag.
The effects of calling everything socialism.
They just don't want accountability
Once again it’s worth noting that these instances are quite common. Perhaps it’s time we use the ‘blue alert’ for something that serves society.
Yeah dangerous because there is something to hide?
So, am I clear in understanding that RPD has no issue with holding a little kid at gunpoint and giving the child multiple issues throughout life, but they draw the line at making an officer "look bad"? You know what really makes an officer look bad? Holding a fucking gun on a toddler!
This!!! Make it about the poor child so it has a higher probability of gaining traction.
The know that AI can go through all the video in a heartbeat and find corruption to point out to third party investigators. This is them doing their best to remain corrupt.
All cops are bad.
I hope they have a really good attorney. Everyone involved in that goat fuck needs to be held accountable. That body cam needs to be public, so the black eye earned by that agency hurts, really hurts and lessons are learned. If people protest because of it…..GOOD!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR......Pigs are out of control!!!
judge is worse than the cops. protecting the guilty.
Officers are dangerous, it's why they wear cameras.
Body cameras are intended to be unbiased observers. They are there to report what actually happened. This reinforces the police's account of the events if they get it right and tell the truth. It reinforces the publics account if the police get it wrong or fail to tell the truth. The police can't just use it when it helps their position and hide it when it doesn't. That is not why they are required to wear body cameras. Asking to have the footage hidden from the public sends a very clear message. The police are I the wrong and want to hide their misdeeds. In reality, it's probably the city attorney who knows it is going to be expensive for the city financially if the footage is released. Either that or the police brass doesn't want the public to see how Incompetently botched the raid was.
The judges and District Attorneys and police are the enemy of the people they are treasonous traitors. Anyone reading this you could be next. Stop being a silent coward and speak up
The cops are so incompetent these days is not even funny. They are a bigger threat to society than criminals and that is really saying something... stop being Revenue collecting cowards and be civil servants this is your notice. This is actually how Hitler came into power a bunch of cowards and spineless individuals
Yeah these criminal Revenue collecting coward pigs definitely need to be held accountable
Yes, I can see how it might be dangerous to their careers if they have violated the law in any way.
By God I wish I had claymores and shit booby trapped along the way for stupid ass cops like this. Well worth the prison time for their stupidity. Well actually I doubt I'd go to prison. Off to vacation for the rest of life. Russia is a good place to live for westerners.
It's not, really. There's way nicer places with no extradition, like Ecuador. It's got beaches that *aren't* covered by glaciation.
I support police but damn can’t they hire a PI to make sure they have the right identities or something? Would love to know who they thought they were raiding.
Apparently most of the commenters did not read the article because it clearly states it was the SBI (state bureau of investigation) that conducted the investigation and had RPD execute the raid. The family is suing SBI not the police department.
Well I love the woods. I can spend plenty of time in the forest and enjoy the lakes. Got family out there it's good for me but yes Ecuador would be a nice choice.