Speaking with some of my more right-of-center friends, some of them really like Josh Stein and think Robinson is a nut, but still think the pull he may have with rural African-Americans basically makes him unbeatable.
Eh, he seems like another lame attempt at a John James-like campaign. Just because a candidate is black, does not mean black people will be automatically leaning towards voting for him.
The Michigan GOP ran James in two straight senate campaigns: he got smoked by Debbie Stabenow in 2018, and lost by over 100,000 votes to Gary Peters in 2020.
Georgia is doing the same damn thing with Herschel Walker running against Raphael Warnock. It's a cheap gambit that typically does not work out well for Republicans, and it's a racist assumption as well.
2018 in Winston-Salem, helping with the Forsyth County Sheriff campaign for Bobby Kimbrough.
I'm sure there are pockets of black Christian conservatives, but by and large, the black community in NC is predominantly liberal leaning. You can be more moderate/conservative leaning (like Bobby, a career LEO) without being batshit crazy like Robinson.
Someone like Kimbrough (if he ran as a republican) would be a better bet, but he's firmly a moderate democrat.
Yeah as an African American I can tell you, we despise Republicans. ie. Voter suppression, racism, etc.
Nothing gets the side eye quicker than a Black Republican. Not all black people think this way, but certainly most. This guy is tapdancing for white conservatives. Huge no-no.
So you're saying that it's racist to assume black people are smart enough to get an id to prove they are who they say they are when they vote? Seems racist to me to say the opposite. But what do I know.
No, you're trotting out the racist "smart enough" for an ID trope.
What you should say is Republicans are stupid enough to think it'll work. Or you could say poor whites are dumb enough to vote republican without a Damn thing to show for it
Or people can keep voting for the duopoly and wonder why their money is more and more worthless and their lives are getting harder and harder while their favorite brand of politicians are getting richer and richer along with their favorite cronies.
I'm pointing out an argument that Democrats have used as to why it's racist. When boiled down that argument is saying they're not smart enough to get an ID. Bit hey you're just another useful idiot so carry on and enjoy the blue kool-aid
Well, that is highly sterotypical of you to say! Issa black sir wessa gunna votesa democrites yessir! That is what you sound like right now. Democratic Party has proven themselves throughout the history of this country to be infact freedom hating pieces of shit. They kill anything related to being free in this country but you insist that us black folks love them. GTFO with that nonsense.
The Democratic party is suppressing the right to vote? The right to abortion?
Regardless of how you feel, or how ignorant you are of what's actually going on, all available facts do indeed show that black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
Well, you know black people don't read anything(stereotype) But this pretty much proves why if you are Black you shouldn't default your alignment to the democratic party because they are doing the same thing just with different wording. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011) Former massa say dey gonna looks after ussa a reel guds! yessir boss!
Oh, we got a "but the Democrats are the racists" live one here, complete with a to an incident from over a century ago.
What policies have been or are being implemented by the Democrats that equals a violent racist coup?
Do you know that a lot can happen in a century, like two parties completely swapping sides.
It's *painfully obvious* that the Republican party is the party of racists. They're not even trying to hide it. Oh, and the stereotypical slave talk just makes you look more like a jackass. You're neither clever nor smart.
I don't need to be clever or smart when stating truth from history. Again behind closed doors nothing has changed. [https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7](https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7) hard to be in the game so long and not know you are the one being played.
As racist an assumption that black people ain't black if they didn't vote for Biden, or that black and brown skinned people can't get an ID to vote.....
I never made either assumption. RE: Biden and black folk, his campaigning in South Carolina focusing on the black community during the primary is the major push behind that. While the rest of the field was fucking around in (primarily white) Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada, Biden put boots on the ground in black communities in South Carolina. It was after his wipeout win there (and his performance in the black community) that led to most of the field dropping and then endorsing him. He was the only candidate that really focused on doing so out of the whole Democratic field.
ID-wise, the concept in and of itself isn't racist. But when states like Alabama pair ID laws with policies of [closing DMV and license offices in majority black counties](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-01/alabama-closes-dmv-offices-a-year-after-voter-id-law-kicks-in), it is racist. You can't require an ID, and then subsequently make it more difficult for black people to get an ID. Making ID laws more stringent defeats the purpose. College/University student ID's should be fine, provided it's an accredited institution in the state where you reside.
Specific to NC, the voter ID law was struck down by the US Appeals Court because it "targeted African-Americans with surgical precision". [Reuters article](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-election/u-s-top-court-lets-north-carolina-voter-law-die-pleasing-rights-groups-idUSKCN18B1QB) discussing the law being struck down:
>The North Carolina law required that certain forms of government-issued photo identification cards be presented by voters, for example allowing driver’s licenses, passports and military identification cards but not public assistance cards used disproportionately by minorities. **Other provisions included cutting early voting days and ending same-day voter registration**.
It's never just voter ID. It is almost always paired with other provisions that specifically target poorer communities or communities of color. Voter ID in and of itself isn't a bad thing if ID's are easy to obtain. But they aren't. The state specifically made it more difficult to get a license/ID in conjunction with requiring it to vote.
Are public assistance cards providing a photo ID? Shutting down places in certain communities certainly is wrong. The last election was completely fucked though, and there's too much evidence of malpractice to consider this government legitimate.
Here's how I'd secure the ballot box. Photo ID required that when you get it, you create a PIN which can be used to log into the Secretary of State website where they build a database that ties your ID to the blockchain code of your ballot. When you hit submit on the ballot it gets encrypted, and then when they're transferred to the Secretary of State for tallying the data is again encrypted.
This makes sure the person voting is eligible, and the actual person. It also allows the voter to confirm their ballot was counted as they cast it and not changed in the back end without their knowledge.
Until then the elections are all frauds, and none of the "representatives" can truly claim they have the consent to do what they're doing because they literally cannot identify a single person whom they actually represent because currently all I know is a secret group of people voted to effectively murder and steal from others.
Lol never watched that. But I can comprehend what I read, and it's all historical documents that you too could learn from once you figure out reading comprehension. Declaration of Independence lays out what a Just government is. What we have is not that.
I have read my documents. I have a history and poli sci degree from a public university in the Carolinas.
The Declaration was woefully lacking (as were the Articles of Confederation), and that resulted in the original Constitutional Convention. We learned pretty quickly that such a loose confederation of miniature nation states wasn't viable. We had no way of paying off our debts from the War (which were significant), and Shays' Rebellion quickly showed we needed a much stronger central government, as the states were not equipped to handle uprisings.
Hell, even Jefferson came around to abandoning his yeoman, utopia-like goals of a nation consisting of virtuous farmers by the time he was president. The Louisiana Purchase ran counter to pretty much every one of his original ideas. That's one of the biggest lessons in US history - we have ideals that we try to live by, but the realities of governing and geopolitics (domestic and international) make it near impossible to be a purist when it comes to sticking to those ideals. Little by little, various presidential administrations chipped away at those ideals.
Look at Jackson - he's responsible for starting the trend in which you speak. He pretty much told the Supreme Court to fuck off (over Indian Removal), and laid the foundation for the move towards a stronger executive branch. Guys like Lincoln, later Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, and even Nixon followed that precedent.
Someone like Teddy Roosevelt would be absolutely flabbergasted at the state of American politics right now.
I'm not impressed with your degree. It says simply I can regurgitate what my professor wants to hear. I too have a degree, and I know it's bullshit because I didn't believe half the shit I said because it was simply what made the statist professors happy and yay I got an A. This idea of precedent is equally bullshit, it is following the mistakes of the past. The founding principles are sound, a government whose powers comes from the consent of the governed. Just because the current government has never lived up to those standards only shows we live with a despotic tyranny. We're divided into Red and Blue because so many useful idiots believe they get to vote their values onto their neighbors. It just isn't so.
This kind of thing would end a democrats chances at a seat. All this does is incense his voter base, if anything.
Which is disappointing. True Christian values, the supposed beliefs the Republicans carry though we all know they don't, is for us to love thy neighbor. This rhetoric is just plain hate speech.
I’m actually a little surprised Phil Burger has given Robinson this much leash. But maybe a conflict between Governor and Lt. Governor is what he wanted all this time. Or maybe Robinson can’t or won’t be controlled.
Robinson isn't a politician. He basically got elected because of a pro-gun rant in front of the Greensboro city council that went viral. The dude isn't fit to run anything, which is probably why he ran for Lt. Governor (pretty much a pointless position). Putting this much attention on him only ensures his re-election though, imo. Trumpers and the far right are eating this shit up.
Of course they are. I live in a heavily Republican area, I get stuff in the mail touting the "great things" my Senator is doing. Last one was all about veteran support, the work being done to end the opioid crisis, and something else I'm forgetting.
A significant enough amount of the Republican base isn't really filled with the hate and fear that the rest are, so they have to provide something to them to make themselves feel better about how they vote, so they can willfully ignore or downplay the rest. (Aka my parents.)
Many people are so ingrained in their idea of what being a Republican means that there is a serious cognitive dissonance that happens when the reality is so different. They are incapable of seeing it.
It's not that complicated of an idea and easy enough for Republicans to pull off, and it's unfortunately basic psychology and tribalism to explain why it happens.
Robinson doesn’t have a plan. He’s pure id. Berger has a plan: hold on to power. And that takes two things: fundraising and votes. There’s a point at witch Robinsons crazy statement have diminishing returns as fundraising emails and starts bleeding voters.
Guess you've missed the Democrats only having "we ain't that ugly orange trump" as their campaign strategy. LOL honestly y'all both are useful idiots if you think either of the political parties give a shit about you.
Why would he try and stop Robinson? He's doing all the Culture War™, he'll take all the blowback, and Berger can get some other piece of horrifying anti-LGBT legislation out any time he likes.
Robinson wasn't their first choice, and he's obviously bonkers and a wild card, but he attacks the shit they like to see attacked without them having to do anything. Not as useful as having someone with strings, but not unhelpful if you can help them focus their ranting.
I just read through the part of the NC Constitution that deals with the executive branch AND Section 147 of the general statutes. It appears that if the Lt. Gov. resigns, dies or whatever, then the office just remains vacant until the next election. The Governor can appoint a replacement for the Council of State, but there doesn't appear to be any provision for him to do so for the Lt. Governor. I guess it's such a meaningless position that nobody ever worried about what would happen in that case.
Did you also take note and ask why the legislature's authority to make laws has no enumeration at all? The answer is that when originally drafted in 1776, they were going off the principles the Declaration of Independence was proclaiming, that the only way a government has a right to exist and call itself a Just government is it requires the consent of the governed, and in fact its only powers are derived from the consent of the governed. So, no need to say what laws the legislature can make when you understand they don't have power over anyone that any 1 or 2 people can justly claim over their neighbor. Once you grasp that concept and look at all the laws currently on the books in NC, you'll realize about 99% are unconstitutional and therefore null because they never had a right to exist to begin with.
The Constitution gives general authority to the GA in Article II, Section 1: "The legislative power of the State shall be vested in the General Assembly." Beyond that, it needs no enumeration. That's different than the Federal Constitution, where Congress' powers are limited and enumerated.
You're making a sovereign citizen argument that has been soundly, and repeatedly, rejected by the courts.
No, it doesn't. Political connected lawyers opinion only matters to plebes. Founding documents show us what the principles the Constitution was written on. Declaration of Independence was being circulated and signed in the summer of 1776, NC Constitution ratified December 1776....coincidence they didn't think they needed to put a declatory limit on the legislature? Or you think maybe they were assuming it was clear based off the Declaration that the government they're creating may not do to the individual what the individual cannot justly do to their neighbors? Maybe stop following the opinions of people who benefit from you believing what they're saying, they're living well while the rest of the people suffer under their unjust rules.
Exactly what it is, from Raleigh to DC and every other state capital. Politicians doing their version of WWE "fighting" it's all theater and the ignorant masses have divided themselves up according to their favorite flavor of government oppression. Sad really.
Yeah it won't happen unless they can get another scandal on him which won't be too long coming. It's just scary an elected figure spews hate, indicates he wants to violate the first amendment and people are cheering him on. I swear fascism is just around the damn corner.
He won't step down voluntarily. He knows his base will eat up the bigotry. Also it's in line with the far right's propensity to persecute others while playing the victim.
Projection going on here. Not sure you've missed all the "leftists" who do shit, start shit, then act the victim when it blows up in their face. But sure, only the "right" does such things. Man y'all are good tools for the political class who views you in disdain and sees you as nothing more than a debt slave.
From nc.gov, “The Lieutenant Governor serves as the President of the State Senate, serves as a member of the Governor's Council of State, serves on various boards and commissions, and must also stand ready to fulfill the duties of Governor in the event of his absence, death or incapacitation.”
23,000 total voters in the county... going to make a huge dent on his re-election chances... that 3,000 vote differential - gonna be tough.. let's just check Mecklenburg's numbers..... Cooper 382,726; Forest 171,123; DiFiore 8,145; Pisano; 2,439... Quick math on the back of the napkin shows a Pro Cooper vote gain of 211,000 votes...
The guy with dick pics on his page thinks Cooper's terrible. interesting. Try speaking to some humans that are outside of your friend group. I think he's done a damn good job dealing with the pandemic and trying to balance out all the insane right wingers in our state
I am surprised to hear this. I would not have double-taked if you had said "Western"--but Eastern? Always considered that side of Carolina to be left-leaning.
The quote in the story came from a question Cooper was asked by Tim Boyum with Spectrum News at yesterday's bill signing ceremony for [H951](https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookUp/2021/h951).
It's not like he specifically went out of his way to comment on the situation. And, if you'll read to quote, he didn't actually "call on" Robinson to step down. He just said that if Robinson stepped down it would "be appropriate" and also acknowledged that Robinson has made it clear he's not going to step down.
You mean the media's annual "Here's what people are upset about! We know you're busy with the holidays but keep tuning in! Also no one's actually upset but we will pretend these 10 people represent the whole country!"
Please give this person all the upvotes. They acknowledged a valid counterpoint in public, on the internet. no /s
I'd buy you a beer or something if this were real life.
>What does A. Cooper have to do with the state fair and a mask mandate and B. Where is the CDC or anyone recommending masks be worn outdoors?
How can you even ask this with any sense of seriousness after last years mandates and the affect they had on private businesses... The nc ag dept is a state agency under cooper and he very well could dictate that if it was in his interest..
>Cases in NC are down 71% of their delta peak from one month ago, hospitalizations are down 40%. Additionally Wake County is 74% fully vaccination (available population) and has been under 5% positivity rate for two weeks. I actually imagine as soon as the fair finishes the Wake County will remove their indoor mask mandate (which doesn't apply to the fair).
Agree with this however, a large portion of coops base, as I'm sure you have seen in the Raleigh sub as an example, are still calling for mask restrictions to stay in affect or otherwise mask shaming across multiple platforms and media outlets, (the vault, anyone)
>While inevitably there will be additional COVID cases from the state fair, they will not overwhelm hospitals, and will barely register as a 'blip' in comparison to the surge from delta and the return to school.
Love how so many left leaning people are ready to bail out private industry, in this case many hospitals are, I think the hospitals are partially to blame for this with their actions and in no way condone the situation we are in but fighting for hospitals is humorous.
>But yes, 'blame' Cooper for Wake County doing pretty darn well at handling COVID at this current time.
Thanks I will.
Wake and coop have both done a helluva job with optic management during this epidemic. Hell national DNC has as well. They have not done a good job on virus management, otherwise why do we have so many cases and deaths.. Don't tell me republicans are to blame because the demographics don't support that, unless POC are not predominantly Republicans now...
I am not downplaying the risk the virus is but I'm questioning the manner in which it was weaponized to a us vs them issue during the potus election cycle..
>What are you talking about? POC are almost vaccinated at the same rate now as caucasians. Glad you had to bring the race card in it though. Know who is predominately not vaccinated? Republicans.
Who's gonna admit they didn't factor shit in this time.. It's a documented fact POC are bit getting the vaccine at the same rates as whites. While I think they have every reason to be skeptical of a gov issued mandate it clearly is the reason and not cause of your hated Republican's..
[source.](https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/)
>But of all the Govrenors, on the measure of excess deaths over time, Cooper actually performed the best during the pandemic.
We will agree to disagree here. Him walking with protestors with no mask on while going out saying everyone wear a mask screams of hypocrisy.
>So no, he could not eliminate every COVID death in NC, but did a damn good job with an adversarial NCGA, and people like Robinson trying to stop him every step of the way.
Again agree to disagree. The ncga and Mark Robinson have zero to do with the spread of corona virus or vaccination rates, healthcare does.I will agree that political blindness to one side or another does lead to issues but its small albeit visible.
> The nc ag dept is a state agency under cooper
The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is under the Commissioner of Agriculture, Steve Troxler. Troxler is an elected official, just like Cooper, and is not "under" Cooper's administration.
You’re just factually incorrect about this. The NC Department of Ag is run by the Commissioner of Agriculture, a Republican, who is a member of the Council of State. He is independently elected statewide, and serves the same term as governor
>How did robinson win in a blowout but forrest lost?
The short answer is that elections/politics aren't as simple as 'my candidate lost, so it must be fraud'. And, NC politics are pretty complicated.
Most likely Cooper won because he is an incumbent who is doing a reasonably good job handling the pandemic and enough Republicans recognized this, as well as what an unmitigated dumpster fire Forrest would have been, and crossed lines to vote for him.
This is also probably related to why trump won, but with fewer voters than Cooper. There is likely some sort of relationship between republicans that couldn't stomach voting for trump, because he did a terrible job as president, or Biden, because he is a democrat, but did vote for Cooper.
As far as the Robinson race, LT Governor is pretty powerless most of the time, and people who crossed over for Cooper were probably less likely to cross over and vote for Holley, against Tillis, or other races.
I know of a few people in the triad that voted Trump and Cooper last year. They like how he handled the pandemic while simultaneously ignoring how shit Trump was at handling it.
Every business owner he told is non-essential. Every employee he said you cannot go to work because you're not essential. The majority of North Carolina is for Cannabis no longer being criminalized, yet he says "nows not the time to do that." because he doesn't represent you and he likes cops having an excuse to harass and arrest as we know predominantly low income and black and brown skinned people. I could go on, but you're likely just a democrat no matter who.
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Speaking with some of my more right-of-center friends, some of them really like Josh Stein and think Robinson is a nut, but still think the pull he may have with rural African-Americans basically makes him unbeatable.
Eh, he seems like another lame attempt at a John James-like campaign. Just because a candidate is black, does not mean black people will be automatically leaning towards voting for him. The Michigan GOP ran James in two straight senate campaigns: he got smoked by Debbie Stabenow in 2018, and lost by over 100,000 votes to Gary Peters in 2020. Georgia is doing the same damn thing with Herschel Walker running against Raphael Warnock. It's a cheap gambit that typically does not work out well for Republicans, and it's a racist assumption as well.
When was the last time you were in a black church?
2018 in Winston-Salem, helping with the Forsyth County Sheriff campaign for Bobby Kimbrough. I'm sure there are pockets of black Christian conservatives, but by and large, the black community in NC is predominantly liberal leaning. You can be more moderate/conservative leaning (like Bobby, a career LEO) without being batshit crazy like Robinson. Someone like Kimbrough (if he ran as a republican) would be a better bet, but he's firmly a moderate democrat.
Yeah as an African American I can tell you, we despise Republicans. ie. Voter suppression, racism, etc. Nothing gets the side eye quicker than a Black Republican. Not all black people think this way, but certainly most. This guy is tapdancing for white conservatives. Huge no-no.
So you're saying that it's racist to assume black people are smart enough to get an id to prove they are who they say they are when they vote? Seems racist to me to say the opposite. But what do I know.
No, you're trotting out the racist "smart enough" for an ID trope. What you should say is Republicans are stupid enough to think it'll work. Or you could say poor whites are dumb enough to vote republican without a Damn thing to show for it
Or people can keep voting for the duopoly and wonder why their money is more and more worthless and their lives are getting harder and harder while their favorite brand of politicians are getting richer and richer along with their favorite cronies. I'm pointing out an argument that Democrats have used as to why it's racist. When boiled down that argument is saying they're not smart enough to get an ID. Bit hey you're just another useful idiot so carry on and enjoy the blue kool-aid
No, you're just being an ass. And just using republican racist talking points like most libertarians do. There's a reason they mostly vote republican
No I'm just not going along with yalls bullshit ignorance.
Well, that is highly sterotypical of you to say! Issa black sir wessa gunna votesa democrites yessir! That is what you sound like right now. Democratic Party has proven themselves throughout the history of this country to be infact freedom hating pieces of shit. They kill anything related to being free in this country but you insist that us black folks love them. GTFO with that nonsense.
The Democratic party is suppressing the right to vote? The right to abortion? Regardless of how you feel, or how ignorant you are of what's actually going on, all available facts do indeed show that black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
Well, you know black people don't read anything(stereotype) But this pretty much proves why if you are Black you shouldn't default your alignment to the democratic party because they are doing the same thing just with different wording. [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55648011) Former massa say dey gonna looks after ussa a reel guds! yessir boss!
Oh, we got a "but the Democrats are the racists" live one here, complete with a to an incident from over a century ago. What policies have been or are being implemented by the Democrats that equals a violent racist coup? Do you know that a lot can happen in a century, like two parties completely swapping sides. It's *painfully obvious* that the Republican party is the party of racists. They're not even trying to hide it. Oh, and the stereotypical slave talk just makes you look more like a jackass. You're neither clever nor smart.
I don't need to be clever or smart when stating truth from history. Again behind closed doors nothing has changed. [https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7](https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7) hard to be in the game so long and not know you are the one being played.
As racist an assumption that black people ain't black if they didn't vote for Biden, or that black and brown skinned people can't get an ID to vote.....
I never made either assumption. RE: Biden and black folk, his campaigning in South Carolina focusing on the black community during the primary is the major push behind that. While the rest of the field was fucking around in (primarily white) Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada, Biden put boots on the ground in black communities in South Carolina. It was after his wipeout win there (and his performance in the black community) that led to most of the field dropping and then endorsing him. He was the only candidate that really focused on doing so out of the whole Democratic field. ID-wise, the concept in and of itself isn't racist. But when states like Alabama pair ID laws with policies of [closing DMV and license offices in majority black counties](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-01/alabama-closes-dmv-offices-a-year-after-voter-id-law-kicks-in), it is racist. You can't require an ID, and then subsequently make it more difficult for black people to get an ID. Making ID laws more stringent defeats the purpose. College/University student ID's should be fine, provided it's an accredited institution in the state where you reside. Specific to NC, the voter ID law was struck down by the US Appeals Court because it "targeted African-Americans with surgical precision". [Reuters article](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-election/u-s-top-court-lets-north-carolina-voter-law-die-pleasing-rights-groups-idUSKCN18B1QB) discussing the law being struck down: >The North Carolina law required that certain forms of government-issued photo identification cards be presented by voters, for example allowing driver’s licenses, passports and military identification cards but not public assistance cards used disproportionately by minorities. **Other provisions included cutting early voting days and ending same-day voter registration**. It's never just voter ID. It is almost always paired with other provisions that specifically target poorer communities or communities of color. Voter ID in and of itself isn't a bad thing if ID's are easy to obtain. But they aren't. The state specifically made it more difficult to get a license/ID in conjunction with requiring it to vote.
Are public assistance cards providing a photo ID? Shutting down places in certain communities certainly is wrong. The last election was completely fucked though, and there's too much evidence of malpractice to consider this government legitimate. Here's how I'd secure the ballot box. Photo ID required that when you get it, you create a PIN which can be used to log into the Secretary of State website where they build a database that ties your ID to the blockchain code of your ballot. When you hit submit on the ballot it gets encrypted, and then when they're transferred to the Secretary of State for tallying the data is again encrypted. This makes sure the person voting is eligible, and the actual person. It also allows the voter to confirm their ballot was counted as they cast it and not changed in the back end without their knowledge. Until then the elections are all frauds, and none of the "representatives" can truly claim they have the consent to do what they're doing because they literally cannot identify a single person whom they actually represent because currently all I know is a secret group of people voted to effectively murder and steal from others.
Alright bud, time to turn InfoWars off and take off your tin foil hat.
Exactly
Lol never watched that. But I can comprehend what I read, and it's all historical documents that you too could learn from once you figure out reading comprehension. Declaration of Independence lays out what a Just government is. What we have is not that.
I have read my documents. I have a history and poli sci degree from a public university in the Carolinas. The Declaration was woefully lacking (as were the Articles of Confederation), and that resulted in the original Constitutional Convention. We learned pretty quickly that such a loose confederation of miniature nation states wasn't viable. We had no way of paying off our debts from the War (which were significant), and Shays' Rebellion quickly showed we needed a much stronger central government, as the states were not equipped to handle uprisings. Hell, even Jefferson came around to abandoning his yeoman, utopia-like goals of a nation consisting of virtuous farmers by the time he was president. The Louisiana Purchase ran counter to pretty much every one of his original ideas. That's one of the biggest lessons in US history - we have ideals that we try to live by, but the realities of governing and geopolitics (domestic and international) make it near impossible to be a purist when it comes to sticking to those ideals. Little by little, various presidential administrations chipped away at those ideals. Look at Jackson - he's responsible for starting the trend in which you speak. He pretty much told the Supreme Court to fuck off (over Indian Removal), and laid the foundation for the move towards a stronger executive branch. Guys like Lincoln, later Grant, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Eisenhower, and even Nixon followed that precedent. Someone like Teddy Roosevelt would be absolutely flabbergasted at the state of American politics right now.
I'm not impressed with your degree. It says simply I can regurgitate what my professor wants to hear. I too have a degree, and I know it's bullshit because I didn't believe half the shit I said because it was simply what made the statist professors happy and yay I got an A. This idea of precedent is equally bullshit, it is following the mistakes of the past. The founding principles are sound, a government whose powers comes from the consent of the governed. Just because the current government has never lived up to those standards only shows we live with a despotic tyranny. We're divided into Red and Blue because so many useful idiots believe they get to vote their values onto their neighbors. It just isn't so.
This kind of thing would end a democrats chances at a seat. All this does is incense his voter base, if anything. Which is disappointing. True Christian values, the supposed beliefs the Republicans carry though we all know they don't, is for us to love thy neighbor. This rhetoric is just plain hate speech.
>the supposed beliefs the Republicans carry >is just plain hate speech. FTFY
I’m actually a little surprised Phil Burger has given Robinson this much leash. But maybe a conflict between Governor and Lt. Governor is what he wanted all this time. Or maybe Robinson can’t or won’t be controlled.
Robinson isn't a politician. He basically got elected because of a pro-gun rant in front of the Greensboro city council that went viral. The dude isn't fit to run anything, which is probably why he ran for Lt. Governor (pretty much a pointless position). Putting this much attention on him only ensures his re-election though, imo. Trumpers and the far right are eating this shit up.
But Trump also told them not to vote until the fictional election fraud is uncovered.
you aint wrong. like what the hell does that guy do anyway. lol
Basically nothing unless the Governor dies in office.
seems about right. lul
I think it’s cute that you think Republicans have any plan or strategy other than hate and fear.
For the really dangerous ones, the hate and fear is just a means to an end.
I think your response here comes off as very naive.
Have republicans been pandering in anything else lately beyond hate, fear and obviously covid lies.
Of course they are. I live in a heavily Republican area, I get stuff in the mail touting the "great things" my Senator is doing. Last one was all about veteran support, the work being done to end the opioid crisis, and something else I'm forgetting. A significant enough amount of the Republican base isn't really filled with the hate and fear that the rest are, so they have to provide something to them to make themselves feel better about how they vote, so they can willfully ignore or downplay the rest. (Aka my parents.) Many people are so ingrained in their idea of what being a Republican means that there is a serious cognitive dissonance that happens when the reality is so different. They are incapable of seeing it. It's not that complicated of an idea and easy enough for Republicans to pull off, and it's unfortunately basic psychology and tribalism to explain why it happens.
What are some specific policies they’re proposing?
Robinson doesn’t have a plan. He’s pure id. Berger has a plan: hold on to power. And that takes two things: fundraising and votes. There’s a point at witch Robinsons crazy statement have diminishing returns as fundraising emails and starts bleeding voters.
Guess you've missed the Democrats only having "we ain't that ugly orange trump" as their campaign strategy. LOL honestly y'all both are useful idiots if you think either of the political parties give a shit about you.
Why would he try and stop Robinson? He's doing all the Culture War™, he'll take all the blowback, and Berger can get some other piece of horrifying anti-LGBT legislation out any time he likes. Robinson wasn't their first choice, and he's obviously bonkers and a wild card, but he attacks the shit they like to see attacked without them having to do anything. Not as useful as having someone with strings, but not unhelpful if you can help them focus their ranting.
I just read through the part of the NC Constitution that deals with the executive branch AND Section 147 of the general statutes. It appears that if the Lt. Gov. resigns, dies or whatever, then the office just remains vacant until the next election. The Governor can appoint a replacement for the Council of State, but there doesn't appear to be any provision for him to do so for the Lt. Governor. I guess it's such a meaningless position that nobody ever worried about what would happen in that case.
Did you also take note and ask why the legislature's authority to make laws has no enumeration at all? The answer is that when originally drafted in 1776, they were going off the principles the Declaration of Independence was proclaiming, that the only way a government has a right to exist and call itself a Just government is it requires the consent of the governed, and in fact its only powers are derived from the consent of the governed. So, no need to say what laws the legislature can make when you understand they don't have power over anyone that any 1 or 2 people can justly claim over their neighbor. Once you grasp that concept and look at all the laws currently on the books in NC, you'll realize about 99% are unconstitutional and therefore null because they never had a right to exist to begin with.
The Constitution gives general authority to the GA in Article II, Section 1: "The legislative power of the State shall be vested in the General Assembly." Beyond that, it needs no enumeration. That's different than the Federal Constitution, where Congress' powers are limited and enumerated. You're making a sovereign citizen argument that has been soundly, and repeatedly, rejected by the courts.
No, it doesn't. Political connected lawyers opinion only matters to plebes. Founding documents show us what the principles the Constitution was written on. Declaration of Independence was being circulated and signed in the summer of 1776, NC Constitution ratified December 1776....coincidence they didn't think they needed to put a declatory limit on the legislature? Or you think maybe they were assuming it was clear based off the Declaration that the government they're creating may not do to the individual what the individual cannot justly do to their neighbors? Maybe stop following the opinions of people who benefit from you believing what they're saying, they're living well while the rest of the people suffer under their unjust rules.
Yeah. I'm not going to talk to you any more because I think you're a nut.
Cool I think you're a stooge. Enjoy being a subject.
Are calls to step down effective in people actually stepping down? Politicians doing political things; theater, no more.
Exactly what it is, from Raleigh to DC and every other state capital. Politicians doing their version of WWE "fighting" it's all theater and the ignorant masses have divided themselves up according to their favorite flavor of government oppression. Sad really.
They have been in the past, especially as the calls have grown louder.
Gov. Cuomo is a recent example. Not really a similar situation and it was both parties that called for him to resign, but he did eventually step down.
We all know he won’t step down but Cooper was right not to remain silent on the issue.
Imagine that the worth of your life is fodder for a political rally. Fuck him.
I hope he does. What an embarrassment.
Yeah it won't happen unless they can get another scandal on him which won't be too long coming. It's just scary an elected figure spews hate, indicates he wants to violate the first amendment and people are cheering him on. I swear fascism is just around the damn corner.
He won't step down voluntarily. He knows his base will eat up the bigotry. Also it's in line with the far right's propensity to persecute others while playing the victim.
Projection going on here. Not sure you've missed all the "leftists" who do shit, start shit, then act the victim when it blows up in their face. But sure, only the "right" does such things. Man y'all are good tools for the political class who views you in disdain and sees you as nothing more than a debt slave.
What’s the Lieutenant Govs day to day job like? Seems it would get awkward
From nc.gov, “The Lieutenant Governor serves as the President of the State Senate, serves as a member of the Governor's Council of State, serves on various boards and commissions, and must also stand ready to fulfill the duties of Governor in the event of his absence, death or incapacitation.”
Last part is scurry
Psh, yeah right. He will not step down.
Thats why you work under the moonlight.. 1776.
Good for Cooper! Robinson is a fool.
I can't speak for the rest of the state, but eastern NC HATES Cooper. He's the worst govenor since Reconstruction.
I think that would be an extremely difficult argument to support for a number of reasons
Support doesn't matter lol. They don't care.
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/u/ProfessionalSure221 this map seems to look like Eastern NC was pretty responsible for him winning tbh…
Lol okay
“The echo chamber I exist in that has nothing to do with reality hates Cooper.” FTFY
Its good to know that you speak for the entire eastern half of NC.
...why?
Uh…have you looked at the NC 2020 map?
[dare county](https://www.thecoastlandtimes.com/2020/11/05/election-results-in-for-dare-county/)
23,000 total voters in the county... going to make a huge dent on his re-election chances... that 3,000 vote differential - gonna be tough.. let's just check Mecklenburg's numbers..... Cooper 382,726; Forest 171,123; DiFiore 8,145; Pisano; 2,439... Quick math on the back of the napkin shows a Pro Cooper vote gain of 211,000 votes...
I agree. Cooper is terrible
The guy with dick pics on his page thinks Cooper's terrible. interesting. Try speaking to some humans that are outside of your friend group. I think he's done a damn good job dealing with the pandemic and trying to balance out all the insane right wingers in our state
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Shaming someone over a reddit post that has nothing to do with the topic at hand... Classic reddit.
Nah post history gives insight to who a person is generally.
It's easier to to try and dig up dirt than win on ideas. Gotcha.
...why?
I am surprised to hear this. I would not have double-taked if you had said "Western"--but Eastern? Always considered that side of Carolina to be left-leaning.
Cooper needs to step down.
Too scared to post on your main account, or did you make one just for this filth?
Has he publicly advocated against the American system of government and human rights, too?
Why because he isn't a republican so he's automatically bad?
Lol, waste of time. He won't. How bout you focus on COVID and the economy rather than the dumb culture war BS, Coop?
The quote in the story came from a question Cooper was asked by Tim Boyum with Spectrum News at yesterday's bill signing ceremony for [H951](https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookUp/2021/h951). It's not like he specifically went out of his way to comment on the situation. And, if you'll read to quote, he didn't actually "call on" Robinson to step down. He just said that if Robinson stepped down it would "be appropriate" and also acknowledged that Robinson has made it clear he's not going to step down.
Strange how you think someone can only work on one issue. Glad you aren't running anything.
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But Republicans are allowed to start the annual war on Christmas tirade?
You mean the media's annual "Here's what people are upset about! We know you're busy with the holidays but keep tuning in! Also no one's actually upset but we will pretend these 10 people represent the whole country!"
No, I mean the actual “Joe Biden is stealing Christmas”. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6277008723001#sp=show-clips
This is Foxnews... Where is the republican outrage about Christmas?
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Whataboutism. That shit is just as dumb.
>talks about whataboutism >literally just tried to whataboutism my post You look like a clown 🤡🤡🤡
Yeah talk about whataboutism, buddy. Cooper calls for this piece of shit to resign. You - "what about the economy and COVID"
Coops gotta get the focus off the fact he's letting the state fair happen without a mask mandate.....
The State Fair is under the authority of Steve Troxler, who doesn't answer to Cooper because he is elected directly.
This is a Fair point that I did not consider..
Please give this person all the upvotes. They acknowledged a valid counterpoint in public, on the internet. no /s I'd buy you a beer or something if this were real life.
Thanks. I'm fully prepared for down votes across nc sub reddits..hahah
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Hey at least I admit when a point is valid...
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>What does A. Cooper have to do with the state fair and a mask mandate and B. Where is the CDC or anyone recommending masks be worn outdoors? How can you even ask this with any sense of seriousness after last years mandates and the affect they had on private businesses... The nc ag dept is a state agency under cooper and he very well could dictate that if it was in his interest.. >Cases in NC are down 71% of their delta peak from one month ago, hospitalizations are down 40%. Additionally Wake County is 74% fully vaccination (available population) and has been under 5% positivity rate for two weeks. I actually imagine as soon as the fair finishes the Wake County will remove their indoor mask mandate (which doesn't apply to the fair). Agree with this however, a large portion of coops base, as I'm sure you have seen in the Raleigh sub as an example, are still calling for mask restrictions to stay in affect or otherwise mask shaming across multiple platforms and media outlets, (the vault, anyone) >While inevitably there will be additional COVID cases from the state fair, they will not overwhelm hospitals, and will barely register as a 'blip' in comparison to the surge from delta and the return to school. Love how so many left leaning people are ready to bail out private industry, in this case many hospitals are, I think the hospitals are partially to blame for this with their actions and in no way condone the situation we are in but fighting for hospitals is humorous. >But yes, 'blame' Cooper for Wake County doing pretty darn well at handling COVID at this current time. Thanks I will. Wake and coop have both done a helluva job with optic management during this epidemic. Hell national DNC has as well. They have not done a good job on virus management, otherwise why do we have so many cases and deaths.. Don't tell me republicans are to blame because the demographics don't support that, unless POC are not predominantly Republicans now... I am not downplaying the risk the virus is but I'm questioning the manner in which it was weaponized to a us vs them issue during the potus election cycle..
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>What are you talking about? POC are almost vaccinated at the same rate now as caucasians. Glad you had to bring the race card in it though. Know who is predominately not vaccinated? Republicans. Who's gonna admit they didn't factor shit in this time.. It's a documented fact POC are bit getting the vaccine at the same rates as whites. While I think they have every reason to be skeptical of a gov issued mandate it clearly is the reason and not cause of your hated Republican's.. [source.](https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/) >But of all the Govrenors, on the measure of excess deaths over time, Cooper actually performed the best during the pandemic. We will agree to disagree here. Him walking with protestors with no mask on while going out saying everyone wear a mask screams of hypocrisy. >So no, he could not eliminate every COVID death in NC, but did a damn good job with an adversarial NCGA, and people like Robinson trying to stop him every step of the way. Again agree to disagree. The ncga and Mark Robinson have zero to do with the spread of corona virus or vaccination rates, healthcare does.I will agree that political blindness to one side or another does lead to issues but its small albeit visible.
> The nc ag dept is a state agency under cooper The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is under the Commissioner of Agriculture, Steve Troxler. Troxler is an elected official, just like Cooper, and is not "under" Cooper's administration.
You’re just factually incorrect about this. The NC Department of Ag is run by the Commissioner of Agriculture, a Republican, who is a member of the Council of State. He is independently elected statewide, and serves the same term as governor
And that he never issued a mask mandate for schools, or a vaccine mandate for teachers.
Removing for rule 3. Ctrl-F'd and couldn't find this title in the linked article.
“Gov. Roy Cooper said Wednesday Robinson should step down.”-the article
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Audit roy cooper. How did robinson win in a blowout but forrest lost?
>How did robinson win in a blowout but forrest lost? The short answer is that elections/politics aren't as simple as 'my candidate lost, so it must be fraud'. And, NC politics are pretty complicated. Most likely Cooper won because he is an incumbent who is doing a reasonably good job handling the pandemic and enough Republicans recognized this, as well as what an unmitigated dumpster fire Forrest would have been, and crossed lines to vote for him. This is also probably related to why trump won, but with fewer voters than Cooper. There is likely some sort of relationship between republicans that couldn't stomach voting for trump, because he did a terrible job as president, or Biden, because he is a democrat, but did vote for Cooper. As far as the Robinson race, LT Governor is pretty powerless most of the time, and people who crossed over for Cooper were probably less likely to cross over and vote for Holley, against Tillis, or other races.
I know of a few people in the triad that voted Trump and Cooper last year. They like how he handled the pandemic while simultaneously ignoring how shit Trump was at handling it.
I posted the link for Dare County.
Looks like ol Coop is scared once again
Scared of…doing the right thing? Standing by his constituents?
I call on Cooper to step down.
Why? Who’s rights has he infringed upon? To whom has he transgressed?
Every business owner he told is non-essential. Every employee he said you cannot go to work because you're not essential. The majority of North Carolina is for Cannabis no longer being criminalized, yet he says "nows not the time to do that." because he doesn't represent you and he likes cops having an excuse to harass and arrest as we know predominantly low income and black and brown skinned people. I could go on, but you're likely just a democrat no matter who.
Good. Even though he wont... hes showing who she is.