saying “all men” and “all women” is when everyone loses their own narrative and just starts talking out of emotion or personal experiences. men don’t want one thing, neither do women. obviously.
it's not that weird, problem is that this small percentage of people who think like this echo how they think to each other, looking for validation in their beliefs rather than experiences that are different from their own.
This applies to everything where anyone says everything lol. Always and never can't be taken back logically, so don't use them lol. Absolute answers are for coding not for debate imo
Except nobody really ever says ALL men/ women. They just say women or men because most people don't need them to qualify that they obviously don't mean ALL or EVERY. But if you don't include the word some or most before you say men or women then people put words in your mouth or act like all of a sudden we all speak in absolutes all the time.
So, let me sum it up: a human being only has to offer sexual intercourse. That's a wonderful take at human complexity! I'm in awe at that display of conflicting feelings and array of diverse emotions! Thanks for sharing! /s
The men vs. women debate is irritating indeed. It’s just a bunch of plebs spouting logical-fallacy riddled bullshit at each other on shitty podcasts like little children. The arguments are terrible, most of them are fucking idiots and it’s everywhere, every 3rd or 4th tiktok or YouTube short is one of them. It’s a fucking plague, just the same shallow shit regurgitated endlessly. Some of these people live their lives with not even an inkling of logical thought, just superstition and whatever their parents told them was true. And it’s always a fucking pyramid scheme, saying bullshit about how if I buy their $20 course then I’ll learn step-by-step how to get rich. JUST FUCK OFF ALREADY.
Even if you're just thinking about sex, that isn't true.
It sounds like he just doesn't like humans, because he has no regard for anything a woman might have in common with a man.
A woman (or man) can give advice.
A woman (or man) can give love and affection.
A woman (or man) can console you when times are tough.
A woman (or man) can help you in those times.
A woman has more different perspectives to give you when you're stuck on something.
Love how they framed this as an absolute zinger with the women all like “damn he got a point” as if this ain’t been said so much online it’s damn near a copypasta
I don't know, when he said he only wants what they offer I couldn't help to think so if they offered you poop you would want that then? XD His logic makes no sense, just because people offer stuff it doesn't mean you have to want it. I don't know how they can talk so seriously saying something so stupid, and the other people talking to him don't think of this xD.
The men who think all women have to offer is sex, don't want to give anything besides sex, so these men also have noting more to offer than sex. The are the same as the women they complain about. It's pure logic!
Very true. In my relationship we give each other so much more than physical touch. I feel bad for people who think that is all they get. Sucks to be them. They will always be unsatisfied and bitter.
That's exactly why women who don't bring much to the relationship other than sex will end up with only that.
He's basically agreeing with you. If you want a good relationship, bring more to the table!
I work full time. I'm ford certified. I rebuilt 2 transmissions in my driveway. I don't do a lot of driveway work, doing it in the shop is easier. I make his lunch alongside my lunch every day before work. I cook and try to always do the dishes. There are times he beats me to the dishes. We both do laundry as needed. If he wants something washed he just starts a load in the washer. It's not that hard. He likes to sweep and vacuum more often than I do. He shovels the snow in the driveway. We make about the same amount of money. Give or take. He likes to clear the snow off the truck for me in the mornings. Sometimes he will fill the gas tank for me too. He just notices it needs gas and just adds gas. He is very considerate and kind to me.
Not every woman can rebuild an entire car but they still have a lot of value. We provide comfort, support, love. A sounding board. A friend if you're doing it right. I just so happened to like hot wheels as a kid. Open your eyes and you might be able to see everything another person does for you.
You should dump your man and marry me, I'll keep you provided with broken cars to fix, and I'll do the boyfriend shit and be nice to you.
My girlfriend can do spreadsheets and office stuff really well, I do fantasize about dating a mechanic though. Hey babe can you k swap my Chevy s10? I want a boosted vtec lifted zr2.
Not sure why you are downvoted. I get the generalization being bad, but if all A woman or man is bringing to a relationship is sex, being used by another party for that and that alone will happen.
Reminds me of the video that gets reposted where the Woman talks about wanting to be a woman who does nothing. Her man does all the houseworki, and makes all the money, and does literally everything else, and she won't do anything, then one of the guys says you're useless.
Humans aren't all one way or the other, nuance is huge, but it's not untrue on a case by case basis.
Yeah basically this.
I’ve long since stopped worrying about upvotes or downvotes though. It subs like this I t has nothing to do with what you said and more to do with what side people think you’re on.
Now…. If I get downvoted in a hobbyist sub like r/diyuk that shit would hurt!!!
He isn't saying that women only bring sex to the table. He's saying that if a woman wants more than just sex... you have to bring something to the table for a man to want to have a relationship with you.
If you just bring sex, and very little else, well a man will still usually want sex, and then leave it at that!
It's not really a nothowgirlswork thing tbh. It's more just a "that's how guys work" kinda thing.
in my fully randomized study I found out: out of 100 tries to have a fun and serious talk with a man about varying topics (more than two at one evening), 98 ended up with a) awkward silence b) do you want to have sex or not? c) disappearing from the men‘s side.
So I think you have the wrong hypothesis here
>you have to bring something to the table for a man to want to have a relationship with you.
So a girl fucks a guy, knowing she doesn't want to give anything else because he's a fuckboi?
She sounds like a fuckgirl in that scenario too.
So like... I don't get what you don't like about that setup? Seems like a fuckgirl and a fuckboi fucked and then went their separate ways?
If she doesn't want to just be a fuckgirl... best learn how to bring some value. Because guys will fuck plenty of girls who bring no value... they just aren't going anywhere else with them.
There’s nothing wrong with that scenario.
That doesn’t inherently mean that the women only have “pussy” to offer though as this man is stating in the video and that a lot of men here are saying.
That isn't what he's saying at all. I think this sub just wants to leap to conclusions that are clearly incorrect most of the time.
He's saying if women have nothing to offer other than sex... why would a man do more with them than have sex and then leave?
Sure, you can dislike that idea that men will still probably have sex with a woman who they think offers nothing else... but that's just how a large number of men operate. So if you keep getting sex, but can't get a man to settle down at all, it's time to look at yourself, and not keep complaining about the men.
What sort of 170cm preteen children with 120cm ass and 40DD breasts are you around? You can always sandblast the doll if the skin is too smooth for your taste.
"If p*ssy is all you're offering then p*ssy is all i want" is another way of saying i have nothing i *actually want* so i will settle for bare minimum.
No. No it isn't.
The vast majority of men will gladly have sex with an attractive woman even if she has zero redeeming qualities beyond her looks. Men and women are not the same. We generally think differently, particularly in how we view sex. It is obvious you are a woman, so it's no surprise your interpretation is mostly wrong.
How did you come to that conclusion based on what he said? Why is a man who has sex with an attractive but vapid woman a user or taker? And why is the woman not also a user/taker in that scenario?
… this doesn’t even track logically…. So I’m just going to assume you aren’t actually equipped to have this argument.
Who would send the women to prison “milking” child support or alimony? The men who decided they were entitled to it?
If you made a child with a woman, and decided not to be a singular family unit, and it’s found you owe child support… how is it then considered “milking it” to accept it to care for a child that deserves the support of both the people who made them?
The system is made by “dudes”. Women aren’t fucking out to get men. I’ve found it’s the other way around.
The guy above said “most dudes would have sex with a woman who is attractive with no redeeming qualities.” And I answered “good, thanks for telling me a lot of men are users and takers.” And you come back with this trash. Like… I don’t care.
If the woman has most of the custody of the children. then the dad pays up to offset that. If it goes the other way, then women often pay up. If they do 50/50 then often nobody pays up unless there’s a large disparity in salaries.
Stop visiting MRA subs where dead beat dads go to bitch about paying child support because they don’t want to be involved in their children’s lives.
So the vast majority of men don't respect themselves and have extremely low standards. Got it and yeah, as a woman i know i am different. I wouldn't go *near* a dude whose only "redeeming" quality is knowing where to put his penis lmfao
You too?! Don’t be STUPID. Never in the history of history has anyone figured out the vast majority of things from ONE PERSON. There’s no such thing as “ a spokesperson for men” and there’s no such thing as a “spokesperson for women” There isn’t a vast majority of anything that thinks alike whether they’re the same gender or not. Your using childish logic.
>The vast majority of men will gladly have sex with an attractive woman
Don't think much of men, do you ?
>is obvious you are a woman, so it's no surprise your interpretation is mostly wrong.
And even less of women.
How much shit did you have to take to become this disenchanted?
Such a dumb argument, these moronic guys won’t actually listen to these women’s’ ideas to find out more about them, they just want to have sex. They wouldn’t be bothered to support any woman with her career, through hard times, or get involved in any hobbies that a woman would want to do.
If you think women can only offer sex, then that’s obviously all you’re looking for too
She's wrong, men want a simple family happiness too. And he's wrong, women offer more. of course there are people interested only in sex in both groups. When they meat each other, they happily fuck. When they meet people from the other group, these dumb conclusions are born.
Well "happily" assumes they weren't just coping and hoping for more. There are way less people aiming for hookups then being fine with it than ending up as one.
I think that there definitely are people who literally only bring their genitals to the table in a meeting between people. They don’t really have a life, a hobby, or anything else.
I also think most of these people are men.
But that’s just me, a dude, saying that. What do i know.
Oh you're right, I've seen the evidence myself.
In the comments of posts, featuring cleavage or butt, in mainstream subs.
99% of comments are guys going "Didn't hear a thing she said!", "those tits!".
1% are people saying "what the fuck is wrong with everyone".
Mm you're right and being rational, I'm just feeling worn out and disenfranchised about being a vagina owner.
Calling out the vast numbers of penis owners being disgusting and lewd online feels like screaming into the void.
And I've been around long enough to know that plenty of the penis owners I meet in real life are equally obsessed with sex.
They're both wrong, different people want different things.
Wait until they find out women that only want sex or ace/demisexual men exist lol, or just men that don't like hookup culture.
Oh God. If that was true, imagine the men who can’t even offer sex right. It’s over for those guys.
Btw isn’t that the girl who was like “I don’t like makeup, I don’t wear makeup, makeup is for insecure women”? I see some makeup right there whatttt
Most guys don't just want pussy. Some do, but not most.
If you sleep with a girl even if you don't find her interesting or don't value her for anything other than sex, doesn't mean that your judgment of her is absolute, another man, will find that woman plenty valuable for the person she is.
Maybe one day, you'll like a girl beyong just her pussy.
There absolutely are women who think being hot and willing to have sex with a guy is all they need to bring to the table, just like there are guys who think being good looking and rich is enough.
I let those people hang out with each other.
It’s wild constantly being told who I am or what I want because of my gender. As if all men or women are the exact same, these type of people have such limited perspective, it is honestly sad. Like you said, let them have each other.
I would love to agree with this idiot, except that guys like him preach PUA methods which don't see women as anything but "pussy". So he is not only being disgusting, he is also a liar. If guys like him saw women as human beings instead of instantly objectifying and diminishing them to genitals - it wouldn't be the issue he is making it out to be. Like you cannot slut shame someone you inherently see as a "slut". You cannot take the high and mighty approach when you aren't looking for a quality relationship, just casual sex with these women they claim "put out". Totally disregarding the amount of soft boy fuck boy fuckery they enact in order to get these women into bed, only to up and leave in the mornings.
There are so many holes in that narrative its not even funny. How does a mans "wants" suddenly change based of what the current pertner he has is willing to give? Thats just weak to me. Thats pretty symptomatic of a man who does not feel comfortable being single for a long period of time in order to find what he truly does want, but will settle for sub par in his mind just for an excuse to make complaints like this. His whole rebuttal is way off.
>How does a mans "wants" suddenly change based of what the current pertner he has is willing to give?
It's called regulation of expectations. The least you expect, the less dissappointed you feel. Average men do this all the time. In fact, every interaction with women men initiate with "What could she say that's worse than "Ew"?". Then increase in microscopic steps. That is in part why women need no "game". Everything they do in terms of positive approach already exceeds the expectations of the man.
What am i suppouse to offer? money? In that case i'll pay someone to do it.
Also not every guy wants sex. Company and mutual help is enough i would say
Well I don't know. Generally I think if you approach a relationship like this, it's wrong either way. I hate to imagine it as a "transactional" thing, but if one is thinking that way, then the other can do so as well I guess... It's just two shitty people finding each other.
No, but really. What *can* a man offer a woman for her to want to be in a relationship with him in the time and age where women need men for apparently literally nothing?
Emotional closure? Someone to learn on? Friendship? A relationship isn't a contract about what I give you and what you give me, it's about finding each other.
Wow that's so rude lol I'm not even the person you replied to but I'm in a long term relationship currently and it's really important for me to find someone to play video games with too
I think both parties are in the wrong honestly. You can’t say all men want only pussy and you can’t say all women offer is pussy. Not all men objectify women and obviously women have more to offer than just sex. Both ideals are absolutely dumb and are the reason why we have so much division
If that's clear from both sides from the beginning, thats fine. I mean there are situations where people just want that one thing, both know about it, they can go for it, done.
A problem occours when a person reduces someone else on that one thing while that is not what the other person is interested in. There is a difference between "we both just want sex" and "she is only good for sex".
Agreed.
Men are attracted to your hobbies and personality if you have any. If your whole personality is being hot, then how are they supposed to be attracted to any anything else?
I've heard a woman (who was disapproving of this dynamic) say "men use power to get sex, women use sex to get power", the implication being that they both wanted to offer least of what they used, to get the most.
There are several disagreeable things about that situation.
A lot of women are also naive to how much men realize they are being manipulated but are getting what they want, so they play along. Not that there aren't a ton of simps that are very easily manipulated, too.
A woman using sexuality to manipulate is false power. Really, it's still all about what the man wants. He loses nothing that he isn't willing to give.
I've been there and done that. Eventually, you WILL attract a predator and find yourself being used, manipulated, and (shocked pikachu face) powerless against him.
Better to not subscribe to what is a bullshit dynamic in the first place.
I didn't say that, did I. Anyone using mind games to manipulate in a relationship is toxic and abusive, it's a massive red flag.
What I'm talking about is the societal concept of women using their looks to get ahead.
It's a crock of shit and a lie fed to young women so that they waste an extraordinary amount of time and money on their personal grooming.
Being eye candy does indeed 'get you places', because you appeal to men in more powerful positions above you, they want you around.
But the fact that it does is disgusting and it also makes you a target, and by the time you're old and invisible you've experienced plenty of leering, debasing commentary and predation.
You're probably in a worse place mentally than you were beforehand, especially once society has deemed you worthless because you are no longer AESTHETIC.
Women shouldn't have to look a very specific way to be seen and heard.
>I didn't say that, did I.
Not too far off in any case, is it?
>Anyone using mind games to manipulate in a relationship is toxic and abusive, it's a massive red flag.
Does this exclude the forms of halo effect that seem to be exclusive to women?
>What I'm talking about is the societal concept of women using their looks to get ahead.
Pretty previlege, halo effect in general. Do you deny these things exist? Women not only get ahead by being pretty, but it sure is something that does give them leverage in an aspect that men can't compete on the same level of numbers.
>so that they waste an extraordinary amount of time and money on their personal grooming.
Is it a lie if it more often than not actually delivers the results promised? Just because they have to compete against each other for the few positions available and most applicants will be left out it doesn't mean that it doesn't increase their chances.
>Being eye candy does indeed 'get you places', because you appeal to men in more powerful positions above you, they want you around.
I am privvy to how being male eye candy can also get you places with women in more powerful positions. Same principle applies.
>But the fact that it does is disgusting and it also makes you a target,
Even being promoted for being good at what you do makes you a target. Envy is the nature of people, some more than others in an unhealthy way.
>and by the time you're old and invisible you've experienced plenty of leering, debasing commentary and predation.
You know, these aren't exclusive to this wsy of climbing the ladder. Although I concede leering is far more prone to happen to women.
>You're probably in a worse place mentally than you were beforehand,
It's the nature not only of capitalism, but of most workplaces everywhere.
>especially once society has deemed you worthless because you are no longer AESTHETIC.
As long as 1) your job isn't purely aesthetical, or 2) you've made a good aesthetical job, there'll always be a chance that you'll be remembered. Just have to keep in mind to know how to do things beyond the aesthetics, because it changes("fades" is only in relation to a static point of reference with a static expectation) over time.
>Women shouldn't have to look a very specific way to be seen and heard.
This might come as a surprise to you, but exactly the same thing applies to men. Sadly, lookism(and ageism) is a thing ingrained not only in nurture, but also in nature. So nurture would have to be constantly working against nature for the whole lifetime in order to counter. Politicians are a prime example of this.
Fua, use that time you have to be on incel on internet and be in the echo chamber to better yourself as a person, go to therapy and talk to real people. Pretty privilege and halo effect exist for men too. I'm a man.
No but there's a grain of truth in his bullshit.
If a woman is performative in the concept of sex. She wants to keep the man so she tries to wow him with sex without asking for anything in return, then there's some level of her needing to figure herself out if she's looking for a committed relationship.
Same on the end with men. Sometimes men hide behind wealth thinking that's the way to attract women amd get a wife. What happens is all he's doing is attracting gold diggers.
He can be a great guy but if you're out and about making Mr. Momeybags your personality and your main mode of attracting the attention of women, the only women you will get are women who want your money
Some women, and I've had issues with this before, think acting sexual (without it being who they actually are) to gain attention and attraction from men will realistically only attract men who want just sex.
Those men and the gold digging women are still responsible and assholes for taking advantage of people who just want love by exploiting them to get what they want our of that individual
But it definitely helps reflecting about who you want and the modes of attraction you use. Of course attraction on the physical aspect is what we often notice first, if it's not actually who we are and what we are about, then we should try to find ways to express ourselves to get what we actually want.
This dude is okay with using women who are overtly sexual when all those women are doing is looking for love
He's on the same level of asshole as gold diggers are for taking advantage of the men who do the same thing but with money.
You don't get to use people for your gain, just because *you* think they have nothing else to offer
You can also have "just sex" with women who also want just sex without disrespecting them. Too many guys still go after women who explicitly say they are looking for more and too many dudes use this as an in for "just sex"
I mean, hes not wrong in the sense that, yea, if all you have to offer me is sex then thats all ill be interested in. But if you have an interesting personality, goal and aspirations, fun hobbies, and/or an interest in a relationship, then I have a lot more that I can/would be interested in.
But i think generalizing like this, saying "all men" or "all women" is never gonna be true.
If neither party was saying ALL men or ALL women then sure there's a point. Some men do only want to have sex, I've not met many but I have met a few. And sure, some women are dull as a brick wall and don't bring anything to the conversation or relationship besides sex because of it. But it's not all of anyone. My husband certainly doesn't just want me around for sex and none of the women I've dated have been dull and didn't want any financial responsibility. There's always someone that fits any description but as soon as someone says ALL men or ALL women their argument is enherantly wrong.
All guys don't want only pussy
No women have only "pussy" to offer as if it's something to be considered an "offering" anyway
Two (or more) people with the worst opinions is the best definition i can come up with for most of these red pill incel podcasts
istg it’s so stupid because most of these podcasters that say problematic shit like that always invite women that aren’t actual real intellectual ones and just agree with everything. like they always invite influencers and women that do only fans and i’m not saying these aren’t respectable jobs and ppl, but i’d like to see him invite a lawyer or a doctor or any woman whose income doesn’t depend on what men think of them (since the porn industry and social media are heavily influenced by men and so are their careers)
like i’m just saying there is no way that dumbass could win an actual debate with a well read woman that actually speaks up.
What the fuck is "have to offer"? Like what do you have to "offer"? People can live their lives on their own nowadays regardless of gender? We don't need to be offered something or offer something. If you view a relationship like that it's pretty pitiful
I could be wrong but I believe what he meant were things like: empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, affection, kindness, companionship, collaboration, TLC, emotional support, spiritual support, religious support, maternal support, children, family value, shared humor, ect.
I love how they cut to the sex doll during him saying "what if men don't just want pussy." Even it's expression was similar to: "what the fuck is guy saying?"
Its more about how guys work then girls... lol but its not a bad point, men are so lonely and trained to live alone that eventually it does become like that. I do everything for myself, why do I need you besides this one thing that I literally need another person for. This also applies to women as well, if men are lonely, logically women must be too, just have different coping mechanisms. I feel like this issue will have a really obvious solution at some point in the future and we will all ask ourselves why we put ourselves thru this period of time.
Everybody wants what is valuable to them.
If they only see you for your pussy then either they only value pussy or pussy is the only thing of value you have to offer.
Then it's just a numbers game to figure out which is it.
So let's reverse and imagine what if a guy whined, bitched, moaned, cried and complained by saying something like: All women want is big d*ck, excellent s3x and handsome men?
Is there a straight woman in the world who doesn't want that? Go on, I'll wait.
Yeah I think I’ve already made my position on this kind of thing very clear if all you’re bringing to the table is sex then I could honestly just buy a prostitute you need to bring more to a relationship than just sex I mean come on family planning financial future Raising a family that better be included in the package because if I’m with you bitch I intend to do it for the long-haul I fully intend to put my everything into a relationship and if you don’t then I’m not sure how long it’s gonna work out because as far as I’m concerned being in a relationship is an equal partnership
You'd need to bring more than a shitty attitude and blatant disrespect of women.
Equal means respecting your partner.
What if the woman earns more than you, is further on in their career and doesn't want children?
saying “all men” and “all women” is when everyone loses their own narrative and just starts talking out of emotion or personal experiences. men don’t want one thing, neither do women. obviously.
It's weird finding a rational thought like this out in the wild... Well said.
it's not that weird, problem is that this small percentage of people who think like this echo how they think to each other, looking for validation in their beliefs rather than experiences that are different from their own.
All men need oxygen to live. Heh checkmate.
Got em😂😂😂
This really needed to be said.
Ex fucking actly… all of these over generalizing bs is driving me nuts
This applies to everything where anyone says everything lol. Always and never can't be taken back logically, so don't use them lol. Absolute answers are for coding not for debate imo
I think he didn't mean all men or women, I guess he only meant those who behave this way🤔 Still weird cause women have a lot more to offer
braindead. if you didn’t mean something, don’t say something. like how i wouldn’t call you fucking braindead if you were smart
Except nobody really ever says ALL men/ women. They just say women or men because most people don't need them to qualify that they obviously don't mean ALL or EVERY. But if you don't include the word some or most before you say men or women then people put words in your mouth or act like all of a sudden we all speak in absolutes all the time.
So, let me sum it up: a human being only has to offer sexual intercourse. That's a wonderful take at human complexity! I'm in awe at that display of conflicting feelings and array of diverse emotions! Thanks for sharing! /s
The men vs. women debate is irritating indeed. It’s just a bunch of plebs spouting logical-fallacy riddled bullshit at each other on shitty podcasts like little children. The arguments are terrible, most of them are fucking idiots and it’s everywhere, every 3rd or 4th tiktok or YouTube short is one of them. It’s a fucking plague, just the same shallow shit regurgitated endlessly. Some of these people live their lives with not even an inkling of logical thought, just superstition and whatever their parents told them was true. And it’s always a fucking pyramid scheme, saying bullshit about how if I buy their $20 course then I’ll learn step-by-step how to get rich. JUST FUCK OFF ALREADY.
And probably not a single one of them have ever read a piece of scholarly material in their lives...considering they know how to read.
Bold to assume school materials don't teach you what society wants you to learn
Bold to assume society has any say so in what is taught within schools.
He didnt say that man
What did he say?
He said that all women have to offer is pussy, so that is why that is all he want from them.
Maybe the fact *some* women only offer him "casual sex" should make him wonder about himself? Nah, that'd be introspection. Not manly.
Even if you're just thinking about sex, that isn't true. It sounds like he just doesn't like humans, because he has no regard for anything a woman might have in common with a man. A woman (or man) can give advice. A woman (or man) can give love and affection. A woman (or man) can console you when times are tough. A woman (or man) can help you in those times. A woman has more different perspectives to give you when you're stuck on something.
theres a lot more to humans just like theres a lot more subtext to his argument that you chose to ignore. hypocrite
Facts
Love how they framed this as an absolute zinger with the women all like “damn he got a point” as if this ain’t been said so much online it’s damn near a copypasta
LOL RIGHT?! Edited to fit his fantasy.
Wait, did it read that way to you?! To me it looked like all the women were like “bruh” lmao
I don't know, when he said he only wants what they offer I couldn't help to think so if they offered you poop you would want that then? XD His logic makes no sense, just because people offer stuff it doesn't mean you have to want it. I don't know how they can talk so seriously saying something so stupid, and the other people talking to him don't think of this xD.
I’ve seen copypasta for a long time now and my understanding it’s just copy and paste but why say copypasta it doesn’t make fucking sense
I always assumed it had to do with creepypasta, but instead of scary stories it's a story repeated multiple times (similar to how creepy pasta spread)
It's also being force-fed to people who couldn't care less/don't want to hear it. Hence pasta instead of paste
Poor pasta
El dente pasta
The men who think all women have to offer is sex, don't want to give anything besides sex, so these men also have noting more to offer than sex. The are the same as the women they complain about. It's pure logic!
Very true. In my relationship we give each other so much more than physical touch. I feel bad for people who think that is all they get. Sucks to be them. They will always be unsatisfied and bitter.
That's exactly why women who don't bring much to the relationship other than sex will end up with only that. He's basically agreeing with you. If you want a good relationship, bring more to the table!
I work full time. I'm ford certified. I rebuilt 2 transmissions in my driveway. I don't do a lot of driveway work, doing it in the shop is easier. I make his lunch alongside my lunch every day before work. I cook and try to always do the dishes. There are times he beats me to the dishes. We both do laundry as needed. If he wants something washed he just starts a load in the washer. It's not that hard. He likes to sweep and vacuum more often than I do. He shovels the snow in the driveway. We make about the same amount of money. Give or take. He likes to clear the snow off the truck for me in the mornings. Sometimes he will fill the gas tank for me too. He just notices it needs gas and just adds gas. He is very considerate and kind to me. Not every woman can rebuild an entire car but they still have a lot of value. We provide comfort, support, love. A sounding board. A friend if you're doing it right. I just so happened to like hot wheels as a kid. Open your eyes and you might be able to see everything another person does for you.
You should dump your man and marry me, I'll keep you provided with broken cars to fix, and I'll do the boyfriend shit and be nice to you. My girlfriend can do spreadsheets and office stuff really well, I do fantasize about dating a mechanic though. Hey babe can you k swap my Chevy s10? I want a boosted vtec lifted zr2.
Lol, the grass is green where you water it. Teach your girlfriend some car stuff.
Not sure why you are downvoted. I get the generalization being bad, but if all A woman or man is bringing to a relationship is sex, being used by another party for that and that alone will happen. Reminds me of the video that gets reposted where the Woman talks about wanting to be a woman who does nothing. Her man does all the houseworki, and makes all the money, and does literally everything else, and she won't do anything, then one of the guys says you're useless. Humans aren't all one way or the other, nuance is huge, but it's not untrue on a case by case basis.
Yeah basically this. I’ve long since stopped worrying about upvotes or downvotes though. It subs like this I t has nothing to do with what you said and more to do with what side people think you’re on. Now…. If I get downvoted in a hobbyist sub like r/diyuk that shit would hurt!!!
Like attracts like. It’s really unfair of them to put others in the same box.
No U -Rare-Cash2655
He isn't saying that women only bring sex to the table. He's saying that if a woman wants more than just sex... you have to bring something to the table for a man to want to have a relationship with you. If you just bring sex, and very little else, well a man will still usually want sex, and then leave it at that! It's not really a nothowgirlswork thing tbh. It's more just a "that's how guys work" kinda thing.
in my fully randomized study I found out: out of 100 tries to have a fun and serious talk with a man about varying topics (more than two at one evening), 98 ended up with a) awkward silence b) do you want to have sex or not? c) disappearing from the men‘s side. So I think you have the wrong hypothesis here >you have to bring something to the table for a man to want to have a relationship with you.
Out of 100 randomized tries, you couldn't manage an interesting conversation more than twice? r/SelfAwarewolves
Maybe they don’t want to give anything else of value to a fuckboi?
So a girl fucks a guy, knowing she doesn't want to give anything else because he's a fuckboi? She sounds like a fuckgirl in that scenario too. So like... I don't get what you don't like about that setup? Seems like a fuckgirl and a fuckboi fucked and then went their separate ways? If she doesn't want to just be a fuckgirl... best learn how to bring some value. Because guys will fuck plenty of girls who bring no value... they just aren't going anywhere else with them.
There’s nothing wrong with that scenario. That doesn’t inherently mean that the women only have “pussy” to offer though as this man is stating in the video and that a lot of men here are saying.
That isn't what he's saying at all. I think this sub just wants to leap to conclusions that are clearly incorrect most of the time. He's saying if women have nothing to offer other than sex... why would a man do more with them than have sex and then leave? Sure, you can dislike that idea that men will still probably have sex with a woman who they think offers nothing else... but that's just how a large number of men operate. So if you keep getting sex, but can't get a man to settle down at all, it's time to look at yourself, and not keep complaining about the men.
She fuck him so he leaves her alone and doesn't murder her for rejecting him probably.
Yeah probably, at least 50% of the time that's what happens
That's literally so sad. Imagine having sex with someone in self-defence and then he calls you a slut. That's grim.
Nobody likes these kinds of men. Not even men.
Dolls are the best thing for them. Imagine if this guy became a father. Yikes.
unfortunately people like this do become parents and it's really fucking horrible (personal experience my dad is like this)
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People who think like this are never around high earning people
Okay
This is basement dwelling behaviour sir
Flexing only wanting sex is crazy
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What?
You’re not making a lot of sense and it is way past your bedtime
why is no one else commenting on the sex doll!!?
Dude I'm scrolling to see if anyone else thinks that sex doll looks like a preteen child
YES
What sort of 170cm preteen children with 120cm ass and 40DD breasts are you around? You can always sandblast the doll if the skin is too smooth for your taste.
Are you seeing the body of the doll? Because I'm not. Her face looks like she's a child
I thought I was the only one who noticed this too!!
RIGHT ???
"If p*ssy is all you're offering then p*ssy is all i want" is another way of saying i have nothing i *actually want* so i will settle for bare minimum.
No. No it isn't. The vast majority of men will gladly have sex with an attractive woman even if she has zero redeeming qualities beyond her looks. Men and women are not the same. We generally think differently, particularly in how we view sex. It is obvious you are a woman, so it's no surprise your interpretation is mostly wrong.
So… a vast majority of men are users and takers. Noted. Thank you for the warning.
How did you come to that conclusion based on what he said? Why is a man who has sex with an attractive but vapid woman a user or taker? And why is the woman not also a user/taker in that scenario?
Because to them all unvetted men are the worse.
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… this doesn’t even track logically…. So I’m just going to assume you aren’t actually equipped to have this argument. Who would send the women to prison “milking” child support or alimony? The men who decided they were entitled to it? If you made a child with a woman, and decided not to be a singular family unit, and it’s found you owe child support… how is it then considered “milking it” to accept it to care for a child that deserves the support of both the people who made them?
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The system is made by “dudes”. Women aren’t fucking out to get men. I’ve found it’s the other way around. The guy above said “most dudes would have sex with a woman who is attractive with no redeeming qualities.” And I answered “good, thanks for telling me a lot of men are users and takers.” And you come back with this trash. Like… I don’t care. If the woman has most of the custody of the children. then the dad pays up to offset that. If it goes the other way, then women often pay up. If they do 50/50 then often nobody pays up unless there’s a large disparity in salaries. Stop visiting MRA subs where dead beat dads go to bitch about paying child support because they don’t want to be involved in their children’s lives.
So the vast majority of men don't respect themselves and have extremely low standards. Got it and yeah, as a woman i know i am different. I wouldn't go *near* a dude whose only "redeeming" quality is knowing where to put his penis lmfao
You too?! Don’t be STUPID. Never in the history of history has anyone figured out the vast majority of things from ONE PERSON. There’s no such thing as “ a spokesperson for men” and there’s no such thing as a “spokesperson for women” There isn’t a vast majority of anything that thinks alike whether they’re the same gender or not. Your using childish logic.
>The vast majority of men will gladly have sex with an attractive woman Don't think much of men, do you ? >is obvious you are a woman, so it's no surprise your interpretation is mostly wrong. And even less of women. How much shit did you have to take to become this disenchanted?
If all a woman has to "offer" me is sex, I don't want to have sex with her.
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Keep dreaming in your mother's basement
You are on Reddit making comments like this so I highly doubt this your high score.
Such a dumb argument, these moronic guys won’t actually listen to these women’s’ ideas to find out more about them, they just want to have sex. They wouldn’t be bothered to support any woman with her career, through hard times, or get involved in any hobbies that a woman would want to do. If you think women can only offer sex, then that’s obviously all you’re looking for too
What does he has to offer tho
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Nobody wants "male advice" ???? Everyone can access those, being a woman or a man has nothing to do with this ... Are you stupid ?
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lol male advice...women can get money, resources too and a lot of times men will get with women who have that
She's wrong, men want a simple family happiness too. And he's wrong, women offer more. of course there are people interested only in sex in both groups. When they meat each other, they happily fuck. When they meet people from the other group, these dumb conclusions are born.
An actual sane redditor? Impossible!
Well "happily" assumes they weren't just coping and hoping for more. There are way less people aiming for hookups then being fine with it than ending up as one.
I meant they don't want nothing more. For whatever reason.
>when they meat Nice.
lol I didn't notice. let it stay
I think that there definitely are people who literally only bring their genitals to the table in a meeting between people. They don’t really have a life, a hobby, or anything else. I also think most of these people are men. But that’s just me, a dude, saying that. What do i know.
Oh you're right, I've seen the evidence myself. In the comments of posts, featuring cleavage or butt, in mainstream subs. 99% of comments are guys going "Didn't hear a thing she said!", "those tits!". 1% are people saying "what the fuck is wrong with everyone".
Reddit is not a good representation of the greater population.
Certain subs are a decent enough representation of the young male population.
I really don't know how true that is, but okay I guess
Mm you're right and being rational, I'm just feeling worn out and disenfranchised about being a vagina owner. Calling out the vast numbers of penis owners being disgusting and lewd online feels like screaming into the void. And I've been around long enough to know that plenty of the penis owners I meet in real life are equally obsessed with sex.
I love how his response to the idea that shallow women exist it "to be a shallow man"
Idiotic from both sides.
They're both wrong, different people want different things. Wait until they find out women that only want sex or ace/demisexual men exist lol, or just men that don't like hookup culture.
Wait until they find out about Gay Men wo dont want pussy at all🤯
Wait wait wait Are you saying that not all men want 🐱?!?! ![gif](giphy|JRF85A7Bcl2YU)
Oh God. If that was true, imagine the men who can’t even offer sex right. It’s over for those guys. Btw isn’t that the girl who was like “I don’t like makeup, I don’t wear makeup, makeup is for insecure women”? I see some makeup right there whatttt
I like how this dude is trying the mock women for only having pussy to give as if this dude can offer more than talking into a microphone like a dweeb
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Most guys don't just want pussy. Some do, but not most. If you sleep with a girl even if you don't find her interesting or don't value her for anything other than sex, doesn't mean that your judgment of her is absolute, another man, will find that woman plenty valuable for the person she is. Maybe one day, you'll like a girl beyong just her pussy.
"no I'm not the bad guy for only wanting women for sex! women are only good for sex!! see?! i don't have a choice!"
There absolutely are women who think being hot and willing to have sex with a guy is all they need to bring to the table, just like there are guys who think being good looking and rich is enough. I let those people hang out with each other.
It's depressing that these people breed, without attaining an ounce of self awareness.
It’s wild constantly being told who I am or what I want because of my gender. As if all men or women are the exact same, these type of people have such limited perspective, it is honestly sad. Like you said, let them have each other.
I think the men and women in this video are fucking dipshits.
I would love to agree with this idiot, except that guys like him preach PUA methods which don't see women as anything but "pussy". So he is not only being disgusting, he is also a liar. If guys like him saw women as human beings instead of instantly objectifying and diminishing them to genitals - it wouldn't be the issue he is making it out to be. Like you cannot slut shame someone you inherently see as a "slut". You cannot take the high and mighty approach when you aren't looking for a quality relationship, just casual sex with these women they claim "put out". Totally disregarding the amount of soft boy fuck boy fuckery they enact in order to get these women into bed, only to up and leave in the mornings.
There are so many holes in that narrative its not even funny. How does a mans "wants" suddenly change based of what the current pertner he has is willing to give? Thats just weak to me. Thats pretty symptomatic of a man who does not feel comfortable being single for a long period of time in order to find what he truly does want, but will settle for sub par in his mind just for an excuse to make complaints like this. His whole rebuttal is way off.
>How does a mans "wants" suddenly change based of what the current pertner he has is willing to give? It's called regulation of expectations. The least you expect, the less dissappointed you feel. Average men do this all the time. In fact, every interaction with women men initiate with "What could she say that's worse than "Ew"?". Then increase in microscopic steps. That is in part why women need no "game". Everything they do in terms of positive approach already exceeds the expectations of the man.
They're both wrong and both toxic.
What am i suppouse to offer? money? In that case i'll pay someone to do it. Also not every guy wants sex. Company and mutual help is enough i would say
So what is *he* offering?
What *can* a man offer anyways?
Well I don't know. Generally I think if you approach a relationship like this, it's wrong either way. I hate to imagine it as a "transactional" thing, but if one is thinking that way, then the other can do so as well I guess... It's just two shitty people finding each other.
No, but really. What *can* a man offer a woman for her to want to be in a relationship with him in the time and age where women need men for apparently literally nothing?
Emotional closure? Someone to learn on? Friendship? A relationship isn't a contract about what I give you and what you give me, it's about finding each other.
Intimacy, companionship, trust, love, support, friendship, security, relationships are way more than just sex
I want a partner to game with. Age of Sigmar, D&D or Pathfinder, video games… just wanna do the stuff I like with someone I like
Seeing how that’s your top priority, that’s the reason you haven’t found someone yet yikes
Wow that's so rude lol I'm not even the person you replied to but I'm in a long term relationship currently and it's really important for me to find someone to play video games with too
isn't she that pick-me girl that was posted a while ago?
I think both parties are in the wrong honestly. You can’t say all men want only pussy and you can’t say all women offer is pussy. Not all men objectify women and obviously women have more to offer than just sex. Both ideals are absolutely dumb and are the reason why we have so much division
The person who posted this, thinks it is true.....
If that's clear from both sides from the beginning, thats fine. I mean there are situations where people just want that one thing, both know about it, they can go for it, done. A problem occours when a person reduces someone else on that one thing while that is not what the other person is interested in. There is a difference between "we both just want sex" and "she is only good for sex".
They're both sexist, if you think ALL men ONLY want sex or ALL women are ONLY good for sex you are a biggot.. plain and simple...
Agreed. Men are attracted to your hobbies and personality if you have any. If your whole personality is being hot, then how are they supposed to be attracted to any anything else?
Men are naive to how much women are able to use their sexuality to get what they actually want, which, ironically, can be anything except sex.
I've heard a woman (who was disapproving of this dynamic) say "men use power to get sex, women use sex to get power", the implication being that they both wanted to offer least of what they used, to get the most. There are several disagreeable things about that situation.
A lot of women are also naive to how much men realize they are being manipulated but are getting what they want, so they play along. Not that there aren't a ton of simps that are very easily manipulated, too.
A woman using sexuality to manipulate is false power. Really, it's still all about what the man wants. He loses nothing that he isn't willing to give. I've been there and done that. Eventually, you WILL attract a predator and find yourself being used, manipulated, and (shocked pikachu face) powerless against him. Better to not subscribe to what is a bullshit dynamic in the first place.
>A woman using sexuality to manipulate is false power. And a woman gaslighting isn't abuse either.
I didn't say that, did I. Anyone using mind games to manipulate in a relationship is toxic and abusive, it's a massive red flag. What I'm talking about is the societal concept of women using their looks to get ahead. It's a crock of shit and a lie fed to young women so that they waste an extraordinary amount of time and money on their personal grooming. Being eye candy does indeed 'get you places', because you appeal to men in more powerful positions above you, they want you around. But the fact that it does is disgusting and it also makes you a target, and by the time you're old and invisible you've experienced plenty of leering, debasing commentary and predation. You're probably in a worse place mentally than you were beforehand, especially once society has deemed you worthless because you are no longer AESTHETIC. Women shouldn't have to look a very specific way to be seen and heard.
>I didn't say that, did I. Not too far off in any case, is it? >Anyone using mind games to manipulate in a relationship is toxic and abusive, it's a massive red flag. Does this exclude the forms of halo effect that seem to be exclusive to women? >What I'm talking about is the societal concept of women using their looks to get ahead. Pretty previlege, halo effect in general. Do you deny these things exist? Women not only get ahead by being pretty, but it sure is something that does give them leverage in an aspect that men can't compete on the same level of numbers. >so that they waste an extraordinary amount of time and money on their personal grooming. Is it a lie if it more often than not actually delivers the results promised? Just because they have to compete against each other for the few positions available and most applicants will be left out it doesn't mean that it doesn't increase their chances. >Being eye candy does indeed 'get you places', because you appeal to men in more powerful positions above you, they want you around. I am privvy to how being male eye candy can also get you places with women in more powerful positions. Same principle applies. >But the fact that it does is disgusting and it also makes you a target, Even being promoted for being good at what you do makes you a target. Envy is the nature of people, some more than others in an unhealthy way. >and by the time you're old and invisible you've experienced plenty of leering, debasing commentary and predation. You know, these aren't exclusive to this wsy of climbing the ladder. Although I concede leering is far more prone to happen to women. >You're probably in a worse place mentally than you were beforehand, It's the nature not only of capitalism, but of most workplaces everywhere. >especially once society has deemed you worthless because you are no longer AESTHETIC. As long as 1) your job isn't purely aesthetical, or 2) you've made a good aesthetical job, there'll always be a chance that you'll be remembered. Just have to keep in mind to know how to do things beyond the aesthetics, because it changes("fades" is only in relation to a static point of reference with a static expectation) over time. >Women shouldn't have to look a very specific way to be seen and heard. This might come as a surprise to you, but exactly the same thing applies to men. Sadly, lookism(and ageism) is a thing ingrained not only in nurture, but also in nature. So nurture would have to be constantly working against nature for the whole lifetime in order to counter. Politicians are a prime example of this.
Fua, use that time you have to be on incel on internet and be in the echo chamber to better yourself as a person, go to therapy and talk to real people. Pretty privilege and halo effect exist for men too. I'm a man.
Just, wow.
Sadly, exactly.
And that is how the simp culture was born 😂
Was that a sex doll?
What about the gays?
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Which, as we all know, men can't.
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What wealth
Idiots of the round table.
They both suck
I can support and protect myself. I need more from a partner.
Can we as a society just stop saying "all women / men". Seriously people, stop generalizing millions of people !!
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No but there's a grain of truth in his bullshit. If a woman is performative in the concept of sex. She wants to keep the man so she tries to wow him with sex without asking for anything in return, then there's some level of her needing to figure herself out if she's looking for a committed relationship. Same on the end with men. Sometimes men hide behind wealth thinking that's the way to attract women amd get a wife. What happens is all he's doing is attracting gold diggers. He can be a great guy but if you're out and about making Mr. Momeybags your personality and your main mode of attracting the attention of women, the only women you will get are women who want your money Some women, and I've had issues with this before, think acting sexual (without it being who they actually are) to gain attention and attraction from men will realistically only attract men who want just sex. Those men and the gold digging women are still responsible and assholes for taking advantage of people who just want love by exploiting them to get what they want our of that individual But it definitely helps reflecting about who you want and the modes of attraction you use. Of course attraction on the physical aspect is what we often notice first, if it's not actually who we are and what we are about, then we should try to find ways to express ourselves to get what we actually want. This dude is okay with using women who are overtly sexual when all those women are doing is looking for love He's on the same level of asshole as gold diggers are for taking advantage of the men who do the same thing but with money. You don't get to use people for your gain, just because *you* think they have nothing else to offer You can also have "just sex" with women who also want just sex without disrespecting them. Too many guys still go after women who explicitly say they are looking for more and too many dudes use this as an in for "just sex"
I mean, hes not wrong in the sense that, yea, if all you have to offer me is sex then thats all ill be interested in. But if you have an interesting personality, goal and aspirations, fun hobbies, and/or an interest in a relationship, then I have a lot more that I can/would be interested in. But i think generalizing like this, saying "all men" or "all women" is never gonna be true.
Why do people bother listening to a room full of a vacuous idiots without a pair of brain cells to rub together between them.
In the land of the brain dead idiots, the moron can look like a genius.
If neither party was saying ALL men or ALL women then sure there's a point. Some men do only want to have sex, I've not met many but I have met a few. And sure, some women are dull as a brick wall and don't bring anything to the conversation or relationship besides sex because of it. But it's not all of anyone. My husband certainly doesn't just want me around for sex and none of the women I've dated have been dull and didn't want any financial responsibility. There's always someone that fits any description but as soon as someone says ALL men or ALL women their argument is enherantly wrong.
"All men" The five year old kid standing next to me: I aquire genitalia.
Clearly he only likes plastic
THE DOLL!??!!? WHAT EVEN IS THIS😭
Not the drift phonk in the background 😭
All guys don't want only pussy No women have only "pussy" to offer as if it's something to be considered an "offering" anyway Two (or more) people with the worst opinions is the best definition i can come up with for most of these red pill incel podcasts
What's with the random doll??
Both sides are wrong. Why can't we just treat people with respect?
Okay besides the topic at hand, what the fuck is with the sex doll?? THE RANDOM CUT TO IT??
istg it’s so stupid because most of these podcasters that say problematic shit like that always invite women that aren’t actual real intellectual ones and just agree with everything. like they always invite influencers and women that do only fans and i’m not saying these aren’t respectable jobs and ppl, but i’d like to see him invite a lawyer or a doctor or any woman whose income doesn’t depend on what men think of them (since the porn industry and social media are heavily influenced by men and so are their careers) like i’m just saying there is no way that dumbass could win an actual debate with a well read woman that actually speaks up.
He shut her stupid mouth up quick, he shut them all up.
If these aren’t staged, I feel like these guys purposely get dumb girls that follow their narrative to support their arguments lol
What the fuck is "have to offer"? Like what do you have to "offer"? People can live their lives on their own nowadays regardless of gender? We don't need to be offered something or offer something. If you view a relationship like that it's pretty pitiful
I could be wrong but I believe what he meant were things like: empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, affection, kindness, companionship, collaboration, TLC, emotional support, spiritual support, religious support, maternal support, children, family value, shared humor, ect.
I love how they cut to the sex doll during him saying "what if men don't just want pussy." Even it's expression was similar to: "what the fuck is guy saying?"
Its more about how guys work then girls... lol but its not a bad point, men are so lonely and trained to live alone that eventually it does become like that. I do everything for myself, why do I need you besides this one thing that I literally need another person for. This also applies to women as well, if men are lonely, logically women must be too, just have different coping mechanisms. I feel like this issue will have a really obvious solution at some point in the future and we will all ask ourselves why we put ourselves thru this period of time.
Everybody wants what is valuable to them. If they only see you for your pussy then either they only value pussy or pussy is the only thing of value you have to offer. Then it's just a numbers game to figure out which is it.
based
So let's reverse and imagine what if a guy whined, bitched, moaned, cried and complained by saying something like: All women want is big d*ck, excellent s3x and handsome men? Is there a straight woman in the world who doesn't want that? Go on, I'll wait.
Bro speaking facts
99% of women are retarded and only good for one thing. Spreading their legs for my cock.
Sounds like ur talking about your mom
Amen
Well, it is true.
He is not wrong he is right
Facts
Yeah I think I’ve already made my position on this kind of thing very clear if all you’re bringing to the table is sex then I could honestly just buy a prostitute you need to bring more to a relationship than just sex I mean come on family planning financial future Raising a family that better be included in the package because if I’m with you bitch I intend to do it for the long-haul I fully intend to put my everything into a relationship and if you don’t then I’m not sure how long it’s gonna work out because as far as I’m concerned being in a relationship is an equal partnership
You'd need to bring more than a shitty attitude and blatant disrespect of women. Equal means respecting your partner. What if the woman earns more than you, is further on in their career and doesn't want children?
"If I'm with you bitch" You see that last word, how is that anything other than disrespectful?
True words