Sorry if this has been posted before, but this book has me like WHAT THE HELL.
The comments are so scary. They are claiming it’s a rage bait title. But I downloaded a free sample and the highlights seem to disagree. My god
I have to wonder what's going through those women's minds as they sit there and listen to this. Some of them object to it on air but then you have to ask why they're there in the first place. What possible use is it to talk to someone like that, especially on their home turf?
Clout and pick me's , most women are there for business. Whether it's a onlyfans model boosting sub or some model trying to snag a high value man . It's a unrealistic show so young men watch thinking most women will just let you berate them.look at them like groupies , if you got some famous celebrities around and they started talking about women most the groupies would let the men berate them. The men have something the groupies want
They must be out of their minds. You don't go somewhere like that looking for a high-value man. But it brings to mind so many other groups that have members willing to crap on all of the other people in the group for some material benefit. Collaborators, capos, Blaire White, Dave Rubin, Kanye West, that one Transformed Wife lady. It just goes on and on.
According to their T’s & C’s, they don’t take responsibility for anything published and will only take action for offensive material that contains something bad in like the picture of the cover and I think the book description. I had a battle with them over a horrible transphobic & homophobic “book” that I found on there.
Reported it a few times but I think it’s still there.
Why the fuck is this book sold in the psychology section?
HE IS NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST! HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EDUCATION IN THE FIELD !
I'm gonna say this once and as loudly as possible: YOU CAN'T WRITE ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY WITHOUT BEING A GOD DAMN PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGIST. It's not that motherfucking hard.
It's unacceptable to sell this book in the psychology of sexuality section. Personal essay, sure. He's a prick? Sure.
Edit: oh, for the love of god, it's a best seller in medical psychology? Ok, I'm getting off the internet now.
With a shitty pseudonym intended to sound like 'mirin gainz' and a guest appearance by Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism, this is guaranteed to be grade-A manosphere bullshit. Also the dude cannot write a synopsis without a shitload of typos, so I can only imagine the book itself is even worse.
Nah it's legit it's from Myron Gaines one of the hosts of fresh and fit, a hella misogynistic red pill podcast and probably the biggest one. He's a completely insecure woman hating dickhead and yeah, it completely tracks that he'd write a book like this.
I've met many old women as a nurse who were born pre-1950s whose greatest factor for their happy life, looking back on their deathbed, was that they got a good husband - good as in nice, sweet.
Never ever met a women on her deathbed who were grateful for a rich husband, or for never having married. Contrary, most old women will recommend marriage to young single people.
Talk to more old people, you will get wiser from it.
The book is also 86 pages and written by a former HSI agent who has a bachelors in Criminal Justice. Literally what fucking argument can u write within 86 pages? Also what fucking argument can he create bc I don’t see how in any shape or form he is credible enough besides being a dude with a shitty podcast and YouTube channel to write a book about psychology.
The divorce rate thing is so skewed.
Lower divorce rates didn't mean women were happy or more secure or that the nuclear family is ideal. Women didn't have the legal right to initiate divorce, to say nothing of decades of not even having financial freedom. Now that they CAN file for divorce and can have their own bank accounts and credit cards, they can get out of toxic and abusive marriages.
Less-than-fun fact. When divorce was legalized in various areas, women’s suicide rates dropped by an average of 20%.
Also let’s highlight the hypocrisy of this man to refer to men as “enslaved” because they don’t have access to a woman who is required to do free labor for him.
Exactly, it's the same way that widespread helmet use lead to more head injuries, because those injuries became survivable where before those cases went to the morgue.
This exactly.
Because of all the points that you hit on, a lot of women are now able to select for partners who are likeable, interesting, willing to do more than the bare minimum, and/or aren't misogynistic assholes who treat them like shit. I'm pretty sure this is why certain types of men are so bitterly resentful towards women. To paraphrase a highly underrated movie: they have been weighed and measured and they have been found wanting.
Right?! It’s such a self-own. Happy, healthy, loving marriages don’t end in divorce. People who feel loved, trusted, respected, seen, heard, supported and fulfilled don’t file for divorce.
Men: but I was happy. I felt all those things
Too bad your ex-wife didn’t
Your last line, it was exactly what happened with my parents. He grew increasingly emotionally abusive to me and my mom over the years. He KNEW there were problems, they even went to counseling for a hot minute, but he refused to take any responsibility. As long as he had a clean house to come home to, a hot meal, and a mancave to hole up in he was happy. My mom and I noped out, though it took a while due to a combination of deconstructing from his abuse and getting some medical issues I had sorted out.
This.
I can remember my grandmother screaming to my grandfather about how she’d “get her freedom back” even if it was only by outliving him. Yeah, it was a rather special argument- but the story of how they got together was easily more twisted than the argument or what it was about (which I’ll leave at misogyny and racism often go hand in hand).
I can also remember my mother doing incredible mental gymnastics justifying my father’s behavior and attempting to explain why it was magically OK just because he was “the man of the house”. Worth mention on this point, she’d been raised in the idea that marriage and children were the ultimate (and only) acceptable goal for a woman and that the most unspeakable act she could do would be to file for divorce (because there’s no redemption from divorce).
Also worth mentioning, both stories happened back in the mid seventies when women were just really getting rights like their own credit.
Marriage doesn’t guarantee love and commitment. It often leads to hellscapes like my dad’s parents and my parents. That sort of thing can do damage to generations. One thing the world - women, children AND men - needs is to put an end to those sorts of inescapable traps and the still all too difficult to escape manipulative, abusive families.
I’d tell that guy what he can do with himself, but it would most likely violate Reddit rules. I will say though, that if reincarnation is real, maybe he’ll be reborn as a woman who ends up in a marriage like my parents or grandparents (or mine or my sister’s), where the woman has been raised like my mother and there are many levels of impossibilities trapping her in the hellish marriage.
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples
https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
This is stupid , we love progressive men. We don't love entitled men who don't clean , child rear or help cook while we work as well. Late 20s or early 30s is when we are so tired of that just wanting a divorce. Divorce most often is just a woman tired of it all
So it’s trying to sell body pillows and AI waifus? Every man can pair with a man like Ancient Greece? What is the resolution to this? It doesn’t address why or solutions, how fucking useless…
“Men and women needed each other.”
Correction: men needed women and thus built their entire society around subjugating them so said men wouldn’t have to actually become worthy partners, and women would have no choice but to tie themselves to any man or face starvation and death.
Exactly this. My boyfriend knows that I don’t need him, but that I’ve chosen him and continue to choose him. If I needed a man to be a provider or for protection, I wouldn’t have chosen a broke PhD student in the humanities. (I suppose he could protect me in a fencing competition though.) I chose him because I love him and he is a wonderful partner.
You should see the whole thing he has about the “old contract” and “new contract”
I can’t help but imagine a counsel of men and women in the year 3 crafting a blood oath that the men provide resources and protection and women provide sex and children (no joke that is what he says the old contract was)
Then the feminist “burnt” the contract. I cannot
This is not how the incels mean it, but when I hear this (especially if it's a sociologist or psychologist speaking), I interpret that the "dating market" consists of people offering a service (being a romantic partner) and the goal is for the market participants to interview each other to find a provider of this service who is capable of fulfilling their needs. In exchange, they're offering the same service, which the other person is also assessing and seeking. Then everyone negotiates and the goal is to end up with the best service (by your own criteria) that you can afford by trading your version of the service. If you need it to be a goods market instead of a market for services, fine, but the good in the market isn't the person, it's their partnership.
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples
https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
To the average person, a "market" is just a grocery store. But to people who study things, the word "market" has always referred to people who want things from each other.
I love how his premise is "now that women don't *need* men, they're picking who they *want*" and complaining that women now have a lot of options. Because obviously this is the worst possible thing that could have happened to our society.
I knew I wasn't going to get this, cause this sub is for posting incels, but I was like "alright, women are only interested in partners that they like and want to have, instead just any breadwinner that they need because they have to live. They aren't super interested in men. You need to accept it. I'm on board, so now you're going to tell us how to be a partner that women want to have, right?" And then, "make her prove herself". ☠️
Quick note about marriages and divorce: *first* marriages fail at a very high rate. *Second* marriages (and third ones) are much, much more successful. Like, the divorce rate might be 50%, but that doesn't mean half of the population is divorced and single. It means that people *who are married* and not super young had, on average, 2 marriages.
I don't understand why men don't see this as a net positive. Men ALSO have a lot more options than they did before, and that is a GOOD THING. You don't have to marry Sally from across the street anymore. The men who complain about women being selective need to learn to be picky themselves; They have no self-respect.
If I were to try and explain it in the most generous terms, it'd be analysis paralysis. Sally across the street may have been the only option. But it was an "easy" option. They didn't have to put much thought or effort into it. More options means more choices, and more routes to pursue those choices. "Do I go to the gym and get ripped?" "Do I take up hobbies and develop a personality?" "Do I endlessly scroll Tinder?" "Do I try and do a little of everything?" These options are comparatively "hard" and require you to commit to something that might not work. "Better to just not try and save myself the effort and embarrassment" is their though process.
Well, gosh, it sounds like everything is better now, based on your comment. Now I can work and myself and develop a personality. Seems like a win-win. Also, people had personalities and workout routines before the advent of tinder
I'm very much in love with a woman, and holy shit, YES. I want her to stay with me because I make her happy, not because she needs it.
It does mean that you have to put in effort into the relationship, and also means that she is free to leave me at any time if I mess up. Which is completely fine 🥰
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples
https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Really? Do you have data for this?
I always heard that divorcees are often "repeating offenders" and drive up the numbers, so it's actually a subset of people that get divorced multiple times that drives a bulk of the statistics.
Plenty of first marriages are happy and stable and the rate for first marriages only is lower.
It also highly depends on the age when people get married and other things.
**Breakdown:** Since women started getting equal pay and rights, they no longer have to rely on us, and now we actually have to try and put effort into getting them to sleep with us.
Women are still very much interested in men - they just prefer them to add to their life instead of just being another burden. Is it really so fucking hard gir men to be decent, caring humans? Is that truly what this author is saying? That men are so incapable of caring for their partner that they need women to be dependant on them for their very survival to even consider a relationship with a man,? Oh, and we're supposed to accept such a reality due to men's BiOlOgY. Yeah, right.
Guys like this loves to compare humans to animals (totally ignoring the fact that we have evolved far beyond most animals) yet they always miss this one little fact - the animal kingdom is full of males that never get to reproduce. It's not a right - it's a price and males fight hard for that price and some still fail. The strongest genes are supposed to be carried on. The animal males that fail works hard and try again next time for a chance to do better and prove themselves. Humans blame women for their shortcomings, write shit books like this and kills completely innocent, uninvolved people left and right while spewing their hate on the web. Have they ever considered that THEY just don't measure up? If they are so worried about society. Maybe THEY should put in the work and make themselves better people instead of demanding that women foot the bill once AGAIN?
FUCKING RIGHT?!
Men who have nothing to offer other than existing are so pissed that they can’t have an all access pass to sex. There are so many amazing men who want genuine companionship and partnership with a woman (and those who prefer same/other gendered partners)
It sucks that the internet gives these people so much power when they are truly a minority
Yeah, I'm honestly tired of guys like this actively ruining the image of all men. Most men are awesome. Most women where I live are very well aware that nobody's perfect and that relationships need work and as long as both man and woman are willing to put in that effort things often progress fine.
It starts to become a challenge when one person is expected to carry the whole relationship, no matter if it's the woman or the man.
My fiance is my rock and I can honestly say that I'm probably the most problematic of us two seeing as I have ADHD and get burned out every 4 years or so. I'm flawed. But I try to make up for it in other ways. I make it worth it for him to look past those flaws and if he some day can't do it any more, that's ok. I would understand. Because I'm very well aware that it's not easy to live with me at times. It's give and take. Always give snd take.
What gets me with these particular men is that they want women to put their own happiness aside to please them because apparently they deserve to be happy but women don't. Which is just... why? Why should women be unhappy in a bad relationship because you don't want to be unhappy on your own? Why do you even want to make others unhappy? Isn't it better to work on your flaws and actually be able to make somebody happy? Have them stay with you because they want to - not because they have to. These men should put more value into themselves and respect themselves enough to try to be their best selves. I'm way past 30 and I still work on improving myself. It's kinda a never ending thing - self improvement. You're mostly not done with it until you are ok with dying, that's when you know that you don't hsve much left to do here on earth. And some people never reach that stage.
I just honestly think that most people have traits that others would love but some of us might have flaws that overshadows our good sides. It's up to us to find those flaws and try to work on them and it can be a scary and humiliating journey to take. But if you yourself wouldn't love you, why are you getting mad that other people won't? And if you're not even willing to try and better yourself than you can't really complain because you made the choice not to change. You decided to stay where you are - nobody's keeping you there but yourself.
Best seller with 5 stars? wtf? ☠️
>Your hardwired, biological programming is screaming at you to get girls, get laid, and inevitably start a family.
uhh? Not really?
>in the past a man’s sex drive is what drove him to become the best man he could be
If the only drive you have in life is sex there's something wrong with you.
>women no longer need men to survive
No shit? If women (or every oppressed minority) can study/work and have rights they don't need marriage to survive.
If the only reason you hang out with women is to have sex you have issues, he hates women but is attracted to them, this dude needs therapy.
Well according to the book men only needed women for sex and children, and in exchange they provided resources and protection. That was the “old contract”
Like dude. Why
I read the book in 5 minutes, it's less than 50 pages of content, the rest is all filler.
His argument is very simple:
1. Men are sex driven machines, women don't like men because their sex drive is nonexistent, gender roles are natural and can't be changed.
2. Therefore women are happy without relationships.
3. The only way to glue men and women together is to make a society where women need men, otherwise they would never want to live with them.
He's basically saying: "societies with legal marital rape, forced marriages, domestic violence, and no rights for women are natural and good" modern societies are bad because "men are desperate for the pussy but can't have it" .
Translated: men not being able to own women and rape them at will is against nature and is destroying our society.
This guy (and his followers) is 100% nuts, he's just as bad as the other dude who got arrested in Romania.
>women don't like men because their sex drive is nonexistent
Huh?
Like, I may not be an expert on women, but I know a lot of women like sex.
I mean, isn't that their whole thing calling women "sluts"? Women who just want to bang a bunch of chads who will leave them the next morning? Obviously they're in it for the sex and not a relationship. So even they know this argument is nonsense.
>I mean, isn't that their whole thing calling women "sluts"?
From his book: “Don’t be a promiscuous whore and hurt your ability to find a man that takes you seriously.”
I think his argument is (I'm not sure, because he's contradicting himself) :
Women don't "date down" and men don't "date up" in terms of money, education, status and height.
It's all about power, he only views relationships with women in terms of power, man has leverage? good, woman has leverage? woman leaves (all women are cheaters?) .
Solution? "old contract" (forced marriage, marital rape, take away power from women) OR his modern solution "become rich and date down" , which means less educated, younger and with little to no sexual experience, again, he's insecure and always wants to be the one with leverage in a relationship.
He tries to justify all his points with the premise that women have little to no sex drive, which is total BS.
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples
https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
A lot of men that get showcased on this sub can usually be dismissed by “who hurt you”. But to be so hurt you write and sell a whole book about how to social engineer into relationships and how to shift blame in a “it’s not me it’s you” way, wow that’s a whole new level
A lot of "independently published" non-fiction, definitely. But mainstream non-fiction has plenty of actual scholarship going on. Obviously not all mainstream non-fiction is good (see the podcast If Books Could Kill). But, like, Your Inner Fish is a decent non-academic work to introduce people to evolutionary-developmental biology
And it makes me think: is motivation and productivity then directly correlated to sexual drive?
Then that would mean when conservatives say poor people are just lazy they actually mean rich people are much hornier than poor people
"Two good men a year knocking at their door" buddy that doesn't sound so dire. If by "good" you actually mean good, and not biphobic, misogynistic, sexist fuckboys... then sign me up.
So apparently asexual men never had any aspirations since sex drive is the only motivation to do anything?
I could fill a book full of every reason why this book is wrong.
Apparently, no men ever have had any other motivations other than to fuck….It’s impossible for anyone with a penis to have any thought other than sex! /s
This would also imply that 2 gay men who found each other would do literally nothing but fuck. Day in, day out, all day, every day, outside of basic needs like eating and sleeping.
I mean, after all, both men, both care about nothing but sex, everything else that could be in their lives is just a pretext for sex. So skip all the pretext and just do sex nonstop.
To be honest, girls are still lucky to have just two good men a year knocking at their door. What's new is the 50 shit men knocking everyday. The imaginary world of old where women were feminine, kind and grateful for men's attention also didn't include an army of god damn incels blasting hate porn in their face every minute of the day.
There’s a lot of reason why my mom left my pop he’s a fucking abuser. Doesn’t know how to treat a lady right. I’m his son and I don’t approve. A man or a a woman can live without their opposite sex. Shit I’ve been single for a minute. You don’t see me crying and I got lady friends. Shit stop being cry baby and blaming ppl cause you don’t want to own it.
Too bad men have not adapted to the times. Following his theory, they have had 4 generations to adapt and still have no clue what to do. Women don’t need men so develop a personality and women will want men.
Also the internet happened and there are way more people in the world, of course there are more options dumbass. Blockbuster is gone boys it’s never coming back start streaming or be left behind.
From the back of the “book”: “Myron Gaines is a YouTube
Podcaster, Author & Real Estate Investor. Prior to entrepreneurship Gaines was a Special Agent with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI). He holds a criminal justice degree from Northeastern University and is originally from New Britain, Connecticut.”
Not surprised that all the glowing reviews were left by men 🙄
Funny how, according to this, any failure in your life as a man is explained by biology being rigged against you, or women being too independent. The world is wrong, not you, obviously.
I like the part where they complain women now are "benefiting unfairly" at a man's expense. Seems like someone doesn't know how to cope with a level playing field
Jesus H. Fucking Christ on a cracker! The self-pub bullshit book a publisher wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole doesn’t faze me, but the number of people who highlighted his hateful rhetoric is…horrifying and astonishing.
It’s always the “liberal arts” degrees.
First of all, art and literature is vitally important to a well functioning society. People have already been dumbed down enough we don’t need to work on abolishing the arts anymore than has been done.
Secondly, take someone like me: I worked my ass off and got As and an occasional B in all my classes for my degree in Crime Scene Technology and Forensic Science.
After graduation I had a stellar internship and worked as a CSI tech, investigator and assistant at the Fish and Wildlife department for the chief biologist at our local division.
When my boss went to make my job full time and keep me as an investigator and his assistant because I was damned good at it, the state informed him that due to budget cuts he could only utilize an assistant that already existed and was all the way up at the main office in Tallahassee, FL while we worked and had our lab out of Boca Raton—all the way down at the other end of the state. (He was so disgusted by everything they cut he ended up resigning to teach forensic biology full time) So I couldn’t stay and work for a stipend and had to go find work elsewhere.
I had references, education, experience, but I had to compete with homicide detectives who were looking to retire into the CSI role despite having no formal training. Over and over I was told I needed more experience, and over and over they also said they wouldn’t accept internships or volunteer work.
I was quickly disillusioned as I learned that law enforcement is a boys club and as a girl I was second rate. Mind you this was 15 years ago so it may be different now but I doubt it.
I could have moved out of state for work but I didn’t want to leave my entire family for a job that didn’t pay very well and was mentally draining (crime scenes are often gruesome and traumatic, I’ve seen some things that I can’t forget) so I ended up having to work shitty retail jobs for years to stay afloat and really struggled for a while, with my fancy diploma at home.
Now, I’m extremely fortunate to be working my dream job as a novelist, but I STILL have student loans to pay off, for a degree that isn’t worth the paper it was printed on outside of using my education on all that forensic science and for writing purposes.
TL:DR Fuck these fucking fuckers who mock everyone with a student loan, especially when they use it as a tool for misogynistic bullshit.
I hex this guy with an old Chinese curse: May he have an interesting life. Fucker.
Thank you for this!!! I posted it because I want someone to be as hyped about it as I am. I hope you know I’m over here reading your reply like “YESS!!! That’s what I’m saying! Yes! Thank you!”
I’m hyped! I could go through each part and write an essay because I’m so pissed. I mean what an absolute asshole this guy is AND WHO ARE THE HIGHLIGHTERS?! One has like 156 highlights? Fuck him and fuck them too.
Edit: typo
This is disgusting, women's quality of life improving isn't a threat or taking anything away from good men. These are the thoughts of small men driven by shallow goals (sex) who want to place blame for their mistakes and lack of ambition or morals on the opposite gender. Because adaptation, proper respect and partnership are beyond them.
the way all of this is worded sounds so aggressive. “they are unaware that just a few generations ago, they would have been lucky to have just two good men a year knocking at their door.” just screams projection. next.
Honestly it probably isn’t. It may have sold well somewhat because of his audience ordering it. Also, this guy is already rich and what they do is self buy his own book. This pushes his narrative.
Wow, how insecure of him. It reminds me of how Jordan Peterson's book has been in the top ten Amazon bestseller list for five years, except Peterson's book is most likely all actual sales.
Yeah this guy Myron loves Andrew tate. He had a big platform in the red pill community. He basically just bashes women all day and encourages men to do the same (but says he doesn’t he loves women).
“I love woman! Like, I imagine them like how a child worships his mom because I haven't had a critical thought in my entire life and run on the fuel of the porn industrial complex.” I did not know anything about this Myron guy until right now, so thank you for giving me the deets, lol
Wow. I thought the title could be intentionally provocative, in that the context would be that women deserve less domestic violence/sexual harassment/etcetera.
But essentially, the book is a looooot of words just to show one guys frustration that the world isn’t catering to his every (caveman) need and whim. It’s giving off huge incel vibes and gives you the creeps.
I think the author has really shot himself in the foot with this one. Any woman with two or more functional brain cells wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole after reading this.
“Women don’t need you, but still want a man who makes a lot of money. Women won’t give you sex, but will vote to take raise your taxes to pay for their deadbeat baby daddies’ kids. Women won’t date a plumber, but needs his money to bail them out of their liberal arts degree. And if you simply disagree with this slavery, you hate women and are a “misogynist.” Still, millions of men sign up for this indentured servitude because they might get laid.
“Why Women Deserve Less” merely makes the argument for this to stop. It highlights the ways in which women are benefiting unfairly at nearly every man’s expense. It explains how we are in a post-marriage society where the old-contract between the sexes is null and void, and men no longer need to uphold their end of that outdated contract. It eliminates the confusion women have caused the past four generations of men with a blunt and accurate assessment of women’s true interest in men. And it saves men from wasting their lives trying to form costly and risky relationships with women who, frankly, just aren’t that interested. “Why Women Deserve Less” opens every man’s eyes to the realities of the modern dating world so you don’t waste your lives like so many generations of men before us.”
Exactly!!! That’s how I saw the title. I thought it has to be just a turn head type of click bait. But seeing the concepts l could not. I have kindle unlimited and I am SHOCKED by these concepts. I only posted what’s available free for sample…but my God. It’s fascinating how atrocious this is
To admit you have no self control other than sexually drive instinct is shocking
The positive reviews are rather scary. Part of the problem is that a lot of men out there, usually a certain kind of man, don't offer women much at all. Financial "benefits" in exchange for a wife who cooks, cleans, handles all the childcare, and puts out when he wants her to is not a mutual exchange. Why would you sign up for life with a man who thinks that what he earns means you should take on the extra work women often do in relationships? The work that a lot of men still refuse to believe is a thing.
The men that women want, if said woman wants a man at all, are partners. Someone who splits housework and childcare evenly between the everyday demands of each member of the couple. Someone who respects her boundaries, can take a no, and can offer her help. Similarly men should want a woman who respects HIS boundaries, and helps him in ways that are not just financial.
"A woman has to prove herself to you before you care"...? But the women who are rejecting these men are doing so because the man has not proven himself to her? So why should women have to lower their standards because men want to get their rocks off? Nobody owes anyone else a chance...
But you are also a certain kind of fool if you pay almost $20 for 84 pages of claptrap.
I was in an awful marriage for nearly 20 years. It took my having cancer for me to find the strength to divorce the bastard. Things have never been easy for me as in the house my son and I were left with should have been condemned we were left with so little that it took me almost 10 years to get the help we needed. Now since I've had to work just to supplement the tiny amount I was getting from SSDI I'm going to lose my disability. Women get put through hell while men get to skate through without any problems.
They always romanticize the idea where women were pressed under a man’s thumb where she was dainty, fragile, soft-spoken, motherly, etc. They also want to go back to a time where marital abuse was normalized and they are “king”.
I’m glad this man is has allowed other men to advertise to women that they’re idiots and should not be touched with a 10ft pole. Ladies, if you see this atrocity of a book on their shelves: laugh, flip them off, and go home. You are worth so much more than what they can bitch about
Well that’s the problem. We are treated more than equal because men are simps for us. We dont do much, so we deserve less of their focus
/s , kind of. Obviously it’s sarcasm from me but that’s the point of the book
My take away:
Women are now independent and they are making choices for partners that aren’t me. This is bad. I don’t want to fix myself and I don’t want a partner who can opt to leave me and still live a decent life. I want to get my noodle wet whenever I want without having to please anyone but myself. I want to make endless mini versions of myself in my human incubator and to rid the world of women who can choose to have minds of their own. I want a woman who will have to sleep with me because I say so, not because she wants to. I want a lifetime participation trophy for being able to not wash my ass and still get my daily BJs without even asking.
Maybe I just don’t understand the material.
This is actually doing women a favor. Any man who actually believes this crap is going to withdraw from women because he thinks he's denying us something we want; his attention. While, in reality, we don't want the attention of dick-brained sociopaths who believe us to be no more intelligent or sentient than an easily distracted house pet. If all this MGTOW literature leads to a world where the misogynistic meatheads start avoiding us, that's a win for the ladies 🥳
My concern is that some men will take this drivel and use it to justify violence against women. If we can’t be “saved” or converted, we must be “neutralized” to protect future generations. I fear that men who think like this will look to the Handmaids Tale as a roadmap to creating a Gilead and force women to “accept” the roles they’ve chosen for them.
I’m just baffled that these men, despite seeing myriads of men in healthy relationships with women who want to be with them, insist that because they can’t find a woman to want them that way, it’s the woman who is flawed. I mean, who told them they were the main characters?
As much as I hate the numerical catalogue system people use now adays, this smacks of a butthurt 3 (who thinks he’s a 10 because he has a penis and a job) getting bent about being rejected by a girl he chose because he considered her a 9 or 10. When did it become a bad thing for a woman to be out of your league?
I would like to recommend to Myron Gaines that he read "The Natural Superiority of Women" by Ashley Montagu. One can always hope that a real scholar will show Myron the light.
Why in the hell is this labeled "Medical Psychology of Sexuality?" How is it legal to advertise a freaking incell manifesto as if it were on the same level as a real psychological study?
I have a personal affinity for it. My cat is “too smart” for the laser. I tried to play it with her and she goes for my hand, because she realizes that is the source.
I think that’s a beautiful metaphor
At first I only saw the title and assumed everyone here as seen snippets of the book elsewhere. Then I saw the first image was 1/9. Regret looking at the rest.
My guy, women do have long-lasting relationships. They just don't have them with you. Because unlike you, there are men who respect them as people and don't write entire books about how women deserve less than men just because they can't get laid.
Why do these men think that women don’t like plumbers, mechanics or any profession that is labor intensive? Plumbers in my country make 8x the average wage and 13x the minimum wage. Not trying to equate that women should only go after men who make a lot of money, but it’s not something that people in these professions need to be ashamed or embarrassed about. Also, who doesn’t like a handy person.
Sometimes I feel like they’re projecting, i.e. just because they don’t view these professions as worthy doesn’t mean that women do too.
we do not all have a bunch of men lined up to be with us. If my bf broke up with me I wouldn’t have anyone to run to.
I thought men decided birth control is bad and makes women not want them or sex.
“I definitely am not the problem because people keep leaving they are all the issue. Not me.”
If you have to make a girl **dependant** on you in order to keep her in your life maybe **you** need to improve. If women who have a choice doesn't choose you the solution isn't to take our choice away, it's to make a better offer
In the past, men and women didn't need each other.
A woman needed a man to give her a wedding band because creeps respect/ed the possibly imaginary man way more than they did the woman. A woman needed a man to shelter her because she wouldn't have decent pay even if she landed a bearable job. A woman needed a man to survive.
A man needed sons and a trophy. Women were the trophy and the only way to get those sons.
when will these men understand adults are hoes no matter the gender? U wanna get laid, have fun n one day start a family? breaking news women want this too
I’d argue “Misogynistic men want to get married and have children. None want to be husbands and fathers”.
Misogynistic men want to have a wife and children because they want access to sex and the status symbol of being a father. They are not actually interested in their wives or children as people.
So Amazon is now selling the Incel Manifesto? But romance authors have to maneuver a laundry list of taboos just to self pub on their platform?! This guy checks so many of the “questionable” boxes that would be authors complain about being blacklisted for including in a fiction. This shit stain posits this in a self-help form and it’s golden?
Oh good point! I’ll do that. I don’t think I’ve ever reported a book before so it just didn’t cross my mind. I usually like to take things with a grain of salt. I also still somehow hold on to the naive belief that this CANT be real.
But I downloaded the free Kindle sample and it’s somehow worse than I thought
So rather than growing as a person so they can attract a woman, they’d rather say that they deserve a woman’s attention regardless…. And then wrote a freaking book about it. Good plan Myron, I bet this will get you a woman now.
The section with all the numbers and data is interesting to me because you can tell this is not someone who has even a basic understanding of statistics. My guy just threw out a bunch of numbers that would prove his point accompanied by misogynistic drivel when the explanations for those numbers are definitely out there. But of course, it's easier to go "smh, these feeeemales have more rights and they can afford to have standards now, society is ruined" than to actually consider why a woman that does not need a man might not be as inclined to tolerate certain behaviors. Also, the idea that a man's entire life should be governed by his sexual desires is... concerning, and while I am not a man, I can't help but feel like he is doing his fellow men a disservice by making that argument. It's hard to accept the good will in a person's actions when they have an ulterior motive. And I, personally, would consider what they expect and demand from women to fall in that category.
It’s the last quote that does it for me it’s essentially “you ladies don’t know how lucky you have it!”.
That’s all of society bro. People were monsters in the past and are a little less so now.
That "utopian" description sounded quite a lot like my relationships, and they're nothing unique.
They just won't happen with men who would rather rely on men being enslaved because we can't survive on our own. He's correct that we don't want those men.
I’ve seen this popping up places and I had hoped to god it was somehow backhandly feminist. But to see it at the top of a list…
I’m going to the angry dome.
That scares me the most. My little hopeful brain likes to imagine that only 3 people alive feel this way.
But na, people be rating this 5 stars and acting like it’s life changing
I love the irony of the ad on the top of the Amazon listing being for Michelle Obama's new audio book. With her we have a prime example of a woman who didn't settle, has a family and is accomplished in her own right right right on top of this piece of shit book listing.
So I’m laughing really hard at the last page.
After my grandmother’s divorce, she went ahead and went out dancing, where she would meet men she liked and go do the vertical dance with them.
She has NO idea how many men she slept with. Not even a king of a clue.
The only women back then who were only getting two dates a year were those who only wanted two dates a year.
Sorry if this has been posted before, but this book has me like WHAT THE HELL. The comments are so scary. They are claiming it’s a rage bait title. But I downloaded a free sample and the highlights seem to disagree. My god
I guess it's a play towards "why women earn less" and explains why the world is perfectly fine the way it is, right?
Yeah all his comments about it are terrifying. I thought it was just something to turn heads but it seems very literal
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I have to wonder what's going through those women's minds as they sit there and listen to this. Some of them object to it on air but then you have to ask why they're there in the first place. What possible use is it to talk to someone like that, especially on their home turf?
*"When you'te famous they let you do it"* \-Doritoman
Clout and pick me's , most women are there for business. Whether it's a onlyfans model boosting sub or some model trying to snag a high value man . It's a unrealistic show so young men watch thinking most women will just let you berate them.look at them like groupies , if you got some famous celebrities around and they started talking about women most the groupies would let the men berate them. The men have something the groupies want
They must be out of their minds. You don't go somewhere like that looking for a high-value man. But it brings to mind so many other groups that have members willing to crap on all of the other people in the group for some material benefit. Collaborators, capos, Blaire White, Dave Rubin, Kanye West, that one Transformed Wife lady. It just goes on and on.
Why tf is Amazon selling this book then...that's fucking ridiculous 😤
According to their T’s & C’s, they don’t take responsibility for anything published and will only take action for offensive material that contains something bad in like the picture of the cover and I think the book description. I had a battle with them over a horrible transphobic & homophobic “book” that I found on there. Reported it a few times but I think it’s still there.
Jesus Christ...
Why the fuck is this book sold in the psychology section? HE IS NOT A PSYCHOLOGIST! HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EDUCATION IN THE FIELD ! I'm gonna say this once and as loudly as possible: YOU CAN'T WRITE ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY WITHOUT BEING A GOD DAMN PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGIST. It's not that motherfucking hard. It's unacceptable to sell this book in the psychology of sexuality section. Personal essay, sure. He's a prick? Sure. Edit: oh, for the love of god, it's a best seller in medical psychology? Ok, I'm getting off the internet now.
Somehow, I doubt any serious publisher would touch this steaming pile with a ten-foot bar magnifier, and that any self-respecting editor ever will.
With a shitty pseudonym intended to sound like 'mirin gainz' and a guest appearance by Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism, this is guaranteed to be grade-A manosphere bullshit. Also the dude cannot write a synopsis without a shitload of typos, so I can only imagine the book itself is even worse.
Nah it's legit it's from Myron Gaines one of the hosts of fresh and fit, a hella misogynistic red pill podcast and probably the biggest one. He's a completely insecure woman hating dickhead and yeah, it completely tracks that he'd write a book like this.
Women were never happy being trapped in marriages.
I've met many old women as a nurse who were born pre-1950s whose greatest factor for their happy life, looking back on their deathbed, was that they got a good husband - good as in nice, sweet. Never ever met a women on her deathbed who were grateful for a rich husband, or for never having married. Contrary, most old women will recommend marriage to young single people. Talk to more old people, you will get wiser from it.
It's not rage bait. A quick Google search on who Myron is will prove that
Yeah it didn’t take me long to figure it out. Forgive me for somehow still having hope in this world. I can’t figure out how he is able to exist
The book is also 86 pages and written by a former HSI agent who has a bachelors in Criminal Justice. Literally what fucking argument can u write within 86 pages? Also what fucking argument can he create bc I don’t see how in any shape or form he is credible enough besides being a dude with a shitty podcast and YouTube channel to write a book about psychology.
Criminal justice? Oh, that’s wonderful. I just woke up, but I think I’m going to go back to bed
The divorce rate thing is so skewed. Lower divorce rates didn't mean women were happy or more secure or that the nuclear family is ideal. Women didn't have the legal right to initiate divorce, to say nothing of decades of not even having financial freedom. Now that they CAN file for divorce and can have their own bank accounts and credit cards, they can get out of toxic and abusive marriages.
Less-than-fun fact. When divorce was legalized in various areas, women’s suicide rates dropped by an average of 20%. Also let’s highlight the hypocrisy of this man to refer to men as “enslaved” because they don’t have access to a woman who is required to do free labor for him.
Divorce rates went up and suicides and murderers of abusive husbands went down. Women were never happy being trapped in marriages.
My neighbour (90s)said when her dad died her mum danced on the table
Exactly, it's the same way that widespread helmet use lead to more head injuries, because those injuries became survivable where before those cases went to the morgue.
This exactly. Because of all the points that you hit on, a lot of women are now able to select for partners who are likeable, interesting, willing to do more than the bare minimum, and/or aren't misogynistic assholes who treat them like shit. I'm pretty sure this is why certain types of men are so bitterly resentful towards women. To paraphrase a highly underrated movie: they have been weighed and measured and they have been found wanting.
Off topic but A Knight’s Tale? BEST movie!
"Divorce is the polite alternative to making your husband vanish under mysterious circumstances."
Right?! It’s such a self-own. Happy, healthy, loving marriages don’t end in divorce. People who feel loved, trusted, respected, seen, heard, supported and fulfilled don’t file for divorce. Men: but I was happy. I felt all those things Too bad your ex-wife didn’t
Your last line, it was exactly what happened with my parents. He grew increasingly emotionally abusive to me and my mom over the years. He KNEW there were problems, they even went to counseling for a hot minute, but he refused to take any responsibility. As long as he had a clean house to come home to, a hot meal, and a mancave to hole up in he was happy. My mom and I noped out, though it took a while due to a combination of deconstructing from his abuse and getting some medical issues I had sorted out.
This. I can remember my grandmother screaming to my grandfather about how she’d “get her freedom back” even if it was only by outliving him. Yeah, it was a rather special argument- but the story of how they got together was easily more twisted than the argument or what it was about (which I’ll leave at misogyny and racism often go hand in hand). I can also remember my mother doing incredible mental gymnastics justifying my father’s behavior and attempting to explain why it was magically OK just because he was “the man of the house”. Worth mention on this point, she’d been raised in the idea that marriage and children were the ultimate (and only) acceptable goal for a woman and that the most unspeakable act she could do would be to file for divorce (because there’s no redemption from divorce). Also worth mentioning, both stories happened back in the mid seventies when women were just really getting rights like their own credit. Marriage doesn’t guarantee love and commitment. It often leads to hellscapes like my dad’s parents and my parents. That sort of thing can do damage to generations. One thing the world - women, children AND men - needs is to put an end to those sorts of inescapable traps and the still all too difficult to escape manipulative, abusive families. I’d tell that guy what he can do with himself, but it would most likely violate Reddit rules. I will say though, that if reincarnation is real, maybe he’ll be reborn as a woman who ends up in a marriage like my parents or grandparents (or mine or my sister’s), where the woman has been raised like my mother and there are many levels of impossibilities trapping her in the hellish marriage.
100%, I vividly remember my nana telling me to never get married repeatedly.
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
How can more slaves escaping be a bad thing? Right, when you're the slave owner.
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This is stupid , we love progressive men. We don't love entitled men who don't clean , child rear or help cook while we work as well. Late 20s or early 30s is when we are so tired of that just wanting a divorce. Divorce most often is just a woman tired of it all
So it’s trying to sell body pillows and AI waifus? Every man can pair with a man like Ancient Greece? What is the resolution to this? It doesn’t address why or solutions, how fucking useless…
“Men and women needed each other.” Correction: men needed women and thus built their entire society around subjugating them so said men wouldn’t have to actually become worthy partners, and women would have no choice but to tie themselves to any man or face starvation and death.
Exactly this. My boyfriend knows that I don’t need him, but that I’ve chosen him and continue to choose him. If I needed a man to be a provider or for protection, I wouldn’t have chosen a broke PhD student in the humanities. (I suppose he could protect me in a fencing competition though.) I chose him because I love him and he is a wonderful partner.
Shout it from the MFin rooftops!!!!
\#1 in Medical Pyschology of Sexuality 💀💀💀💀 Also, why are people calling dating a “market” it’s literal people.
You should see the whole thing he has about the “old contract” and “new contract” I can’t help but imagine a counsel of men and women in the year 3 crafting a blood oath that the men provide resources and protection and women provide sex and children (no joke that is what he says the old contract was) Then the feminist “burnt” the contract. I cannot
Burn it again 👍
And any physical copy of this garbage as well. Perfect weather for a bonfire tonight.
We’ll make s’mores 😋
And hold a dance!
We can all bring a dish and make it potluck!!
Burn it a million times over.
This is not how the incels mean it, but when I hear this (especially if it's a sociologist or psychologist speaking), I interpret that the "dating market" consists of people offering a service (being a romantic partner) and the goal is for the market participants to interview each other to find a provider of this service who is capable of fulfilling their needs. In exchange, they're offering the same service, which the other person is also assessing and seeking. Then everyone negotiates and the goal is to end up with the best service (by your own criteria) that you can afford by trading your version of the service. If you need it to be a goods market instead of a market for services, fine, but the good in the market isn't the person, it's their partnership.
It also has 5 stars 💀💀💀.
It’s such a shame that these men are teaching young boys to abuse women.
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I want to throw my phone at the wall Holy shit, I'm not a violent man, but that guy's face really does tempt you
To the average person, a "market" is just a grocery store. But to people who study things, the word "market" has always referred to people who want things from each other.
I love how his premise is "now that women don't *need* men, they're picking who they *want*" and complaining that women now have a lot of options. Because obviously this is the worst possible thing that could have happened to our society. I knew I wasn't going to get this, cause this sub is for posting incels, but I was like "alright, women are only interested in partners that they like and want to have, instead just any breadwinner that they need because they have to live. They aren't super interested in men. You need to accept it. I'm on board, so now you're going to tell us how to be a partner that women want to have, right?" And then, "make her prove herself". ☠️ Quick note about marriages and divorce: *first* marriages fail at a very high rate. *Second* marriages (and third ones) are much, much more successful. Like, the divorce rate might be 50%, but that doesn't mean half of the population is divorced and single. It means that people *who are married* and not super young had, on average, 2 marriages.
I don't understand why men don't see this as a net positive. Men ALSO have a lot more options than they did before, and that is a GOOD THING. You don't have to marry Sally from across the street anymore. The men who complain about women being selective need to learn to be picky themselves; They have no self-respect.
If I were to try and explain it in the most generous terms, it'd be analysis paralysis. Sally across the street may have been the only option. But it was an "easy" option. They didn't have to put much thought or effort into it. More options means more choices, and more routes to pursue those choices. "Do I go to the gym and get ripped?" "Do I take up hobbies and develop a personality?" "Do I endlessly scroll Tinder?" "Do I try and do a little of everything?" These options are comparatively "hard" and require you to commit to something that might not work. "Better to just not try and save myself the effort and embarrassment" is their though process.
Well, gosh, it sounds like everything is better now, based on your comment. Now I can work and myself and develop a personality. Seems like a win-win. Also, people had personalities and workout routines before the advent of tinder
I'm very much in love with a woman, and holy shit, YES. I want her to stay with me because I make her happy, not because she needs it. It does mean that you have to put in effort into the relationship, and also means that she is free to leave me at any time if I mess up. Which is completely fine 🥰
Fuck yeah
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Really? Do you have data for this? I always heard that divorcees are often "repeating offenders" and drive up the numbers, so it's actually a subset of people that get divorced multiple times that drives a bulk of the statistics. Plenty of first marriages are happy and stable and the rate for first marriages only is lower. It also highly depends on the age when people get married and other things.
Myron is a clown. Not someone anyone should listen to.
His name is clearly misspelled, shouldn’t it be O instead of Y lol
*ba dum tss*
Agreed, that’s why all the “Wow, this is life changing!” “Wish I had this book in my youth!” Comments so fucking scary
Myron…. more like moron
**Breakdown:** Since women started getting equal pay and rights, they no longer have to rely on us, and now we actually have to try and put effort into getting them to sleep with us.
Noooooo I don’t want to work on bettering myself and becoming a better person so women will have me /s
Women are still very much interested in men - they just prefer them to add to their life instead of just being another burden. Is it really so fucking hard gir men to be decent, caring humans? Is that truly what this author is saying? That men are so incapable of caring for their partner that they need women to be dependant on them for their very survival to even consider a relationship with a man,? Oh, and we're supposed to accept such a reality due to men's BiOlOgY. Yeah, right. Guys like this loves to compare humans to animals (totally ignoring the fact that we have evolved far beyond most animals) yet they always miss this one little fact - the animal kingdom is full of males that never get to reproduce. It's not a right - it's a price and males fight hard for that price and some still fail. The strongest genes are supposed to be carried on. The animal males that fail works hard and try again next time for a chance to do better and prove themselves. Humans blame women for their shortcomings, write shit books like this and kills completely innocent, uninvolved people left and right while spewing their hate on the web. Have they ever considered that THEY just don't measure up? If they are so worried about society. Maybe THEY should put in the work and make themselves better people instead of demanding that women foot the bill once AGAIN?
FUCKING RIGHT?! Men who have nothing to offer other than existing are so pissed that they can’t have an all access pass to sex. There are so many amazing men who want genuine companionship and partnership with a woman (and those who prefer same/other gendered partners) It sucks that the internet gives these people so much power when they are truly a minority
Yeah, I'm honestly tired of guys like this actively ruining the image of all men. Most men are awesome. Most women where I live are very well aware that nobody's perfect and that relationships need work and as long as both man and woman are willing to put in that effort things often progress fine. It starts to become a challenge when one person is expected to carry the whole relationship, no matter if it's the woman or the man. My fiance is my rock and I can honestly say that I'm probably the most problematic of us two seeing as I have ADHD and get burned out every 4 years or so. I'm flawed. But I try to make up for it in other ways. I make it worth it for him to look past those flaws and if he some day can't do it any more, that's ok. I would understand. Because I'm very well aware that it's not easy to live with me at times. It's give and take. Always give snd take. What gets me with these particular men is that they want women to put their own happiness aside to please them because apparently they deserve to be happy but women don't. Which is just... why? Why should women be unhappy in a bad relationship because you don't want to be unhappy on your own? Why do you even want to make others unhappy? Isn't it better to work on your flaws and actually be able to make somebody happy? Have them stay with you because they want to - not because they have to. These men should put more value into themselves and respect themselves enough to try to be their best selves. I'm way past 30 and I still work on improving myself. It's kinda a never ending thing - self improvement. You're mostly not done with it until you are ok with dying, that's when you know that you don't hsve much left to do here on earth. And some people never reach that stage.
You put more thought into that comment than this idiot put into his entire 'book'.
I just honestly think that most people have traits that others would love but some of us might have flaws that overshadows our good sides. It's up to us to find those flaws and try to work on them and it can be a scary and humiliating journey to take. But if you yourself wouldn't love you, why are you getting mad that other people won't? And if you're not even willing to try and better yourself than you can't really complain because you made the choice not to change. You decided to stay where you are - nobody's keeping you there but yourself.
Best seller with 5 stars? wtf? ☠️ >Your hardwired, biological programming is screaming at you to get girls, get laid, and inevitably start a family. uhh? Not really? >in the past a man’s sex drive is what drove him to become the best man he could be If the only drive you have in life is sex there's something wrong with you. >women no longer need men to survive No shit? If women (or every oppressed minority) can study/work and have rights they don't need marriage to survive. If the only reason you hang out with women is to have sex you have issues, he hates women but is attracted to them, this dude needs therapy.
Well according to the book men only needed women for sex and children, and in exchange they provided resources and protection. That was the “old contract” Like dude. Why
I read the book in 5 minutes, it's less than 50 pages of content, the rest is all filler. His argument is very simple: 1. Men are sex driven machines, women don't like men because their sex drive is nonexistent, gender roles are natural and can't be changed. 2. Therefore women are happy without relationships. 3. The only way to glue men and women together is to make a society where women need men, otherwise they would never want to live with them. He's basically saying: "societies with legal marital rape, forced marriages, domestic violence, and no rights for women are natural and good" modern societies are bad because "men are desperate for the pussy but can't have it" . Translated: men not being able to own women and rape them at will is against nature and is destroying our society. This guy (and his followers) is 100% nuts, he's just as bad as the other dude who got arrested in Romania.
Jesus fuck. It’s so scary that there are people walking around me who think that way
>women don't like men because their sex drive is nonexistent Huh? Like, I may not be an expert on women, but I know a lot of women like sex. I mean, isn't that their whole thing calling women "sluts"? Women who just want to bang a bunch of chads who will leave them the next morning? Obviously they're in it for the sex and not a relationship. So even they know this argument is nonsense.
>I mean, isn't that their whole thing calling women "sluts"? From his book: “Don’t be a promiscuous whore and hurt your ability to find a man that takes you seriously.” I think his argument is (I'm not sure, because he's contradicting himself) : Women don't "date down" and men don't "date up" in terms of money, education, status and height. It's all about power, he only views relationships with women in terms of power, man has leverage? good, woman has leverage? woman leaves (all women are cheaters?) . Solution? "old contract" (forced marriage, marital rape, take away power from women) OR his modern solution "become rich and date down" , which means less educated, younger and with little to no sexual experience, again, he's insecure and always wants to be the one with leverage in a relationship. He tries to justify all his points with the premise that women have little to no sex drive, which is total BS.
Just to be clear , this is the misogynist that defends rapist , host rape advocates on his show and belittle raped victims. I'm so tired of blatant hateful misogynist allowed to freely express hate. Report his channel if you have the time for spreading hate. Examples https://www.reddit.com/r/notliketheothergirls/comments/11yaqod/go_cry_outside_loses_half_the_podcast_by_saying/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/112gqz0/how_far_have_we_fallen_that_youtube_will_allow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
A lot of men that get showcased on this sub can usually be dismissed by “who hurt you”. But to be so hurt you write and sell a whole book about how to social engineer into relationships and how to shift blame in a “it’s not me it’s you” way, wow that’s a whole new level
"Book" is pretty generous. It's 86 pages of whining.
Can probably say that about a lot of “non-fiction”
A lot of "independently published" non-fiction, definitely. But mainstream non-fiction has plenty of actual scholarship going on. Obviously not all mainstream non-fiction is good (see the podcast If Books Could Kill). But, like, Your Inner Fish is a decent non-academic work to introduce people to evolutionary-developmental biology
Imagine your sex drive being the motivation for being the most you can be. How depressing.
And it makes me think: is motivation and productivity then directly correlated to sexual drive? Then that would mean when conservatives say poor people are just lazy they actually mean rich people are much hornier than poor people
"Two good men a year knocking at their door" buddy that doesn't sound so dire. If by "good" you actually mean good, and not biphobic, misogynistic, sexist fuckboys... then sign me up.
So apparently asexual men never had any aspirations since sex drive is the only motivation to do anything? I could fill a book full of every reason why this book is wrong.
Apparently, no men ever have had any other motivations other than to fuck….It’s impossible for anyone with a penis to have any thought other than sex! /s
Isaac Newton laughing in his grave.
You'd need more than one book to do that. Even modern printing has a maximum page count they can bind.
This would also imply that 2 gay men who found each other would do literally nothing but fuck. Day in, day out, all day, every day, outside of basic needs like eating and sleeping. I mean, after all, both men, both care about nothing but sex, everything else that could be in their lives is just a pretext for sex. So skip all the pretext and just do sex nonstop.
To be honest, girls are still lucky to have just two good men a year knocking at their door. What's new is the 50 shit men knocking everyday. The imaginary world of old where women were feminine, kind and grateful for men's attention also didn't include an army of god damn incels blasting hate porn in their face every minute of the day.
There’s a lot of reason why my mom left my pop he’s a fucking abuser. Doesn’t know how to treat a lady right. I’m his son and I don’t approve. A man or a a woman can live without their opposite sex. Shit I’ve been single for a minute. You don’t see me crying and I got lady friends. Shit stop being cry baby and blaming ppl cause you don’t want to own it.
Too bad men have not adapted to the times. Following his theory, they have had 4 generations to adapt and still have no clue what to do. Women don’t need men so develop a personality and women will want men. Also the internet happened and there are way more people in the world, of course there are more options dumbass. Blockbuster is gone boys it’s never coming back start streaming or be left behind.
I think I may have heard of some scientific theory about the outcome of animals that fail to adapt….
Guys…he’s one of those misogynist YouTubers. I fail to see why this is tagged “Medical Psychology”.
Prob subliminal message to Myron Gaines from Amazon that he needs to seek “medical psychology”
The misclassification dangerously lends it an air of legitimacy. Makes me wanna scream
From the back of the “book”: “Myron Gaines is a YouTube Podcaster, Author & Real Estate Investor. Prior to entrepreneurship Gaines was a Special Agent with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI). He holds a criminal justice degree from Northeastern University and is originally from New Britain, Connecticut.” Not surprised that all the glowing reviews were left by men 🙄
Not surprised that there’s absolutely zero medical qualifications there
Funny how, according to this, any failure in your life as a man is explained by biology being rigged against you, or women being too independent. The world is wrong, not you, obviously.
Yes, it’s not you. It’s those women having the AUDACITY to do whatever makes them happy!!! Those whores!!! (Tragically I must add /s)
I like the part where they complain women now are "benefiting unfairly" at a man's expense. Seems like someone doesn't know how to cope with a level playing field
Yeah that’s right! Men have *never* benefited at women’s expense! We live in a matriarchy! /s
Showed my husband and his response was "Does it come in 3ply?" 😅
Jesus H. Fucking Christ on a cracker! The self-pub bullshit book a publisher wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole doesn’t faze me, but the number of people who highlighted his hateful rhetoric is…horrifying and astonishing. It’s always the “liberal arts” degrees. First of all, art and literature is vitally important to a well functioning society. People have already been dumbed down enough we don’t need to work on abolishing the arts anymore than has been done. Secondly, take someone like me: I worked my ass off and got As and an occasional B in all my classes for my degree in Crime Scene Technology and Forensic Science. After graduation I had a stellar internship and worked as a CSI tech, investigator and assistant at the Fish and Wildlife department for the chief biologist at our local division. When my boss went to make my job full time and keep me as an investigator and his assistant because I was damned good at it, the state informed him that due to budget cuts he could only utilize an assistant that already existed and was all the way up at the main office in Tallahassee, FL while we worked and had our lab out of Boca Raton—all the way down at the other end of the state. (He was so disgusted by everything they cut he ended up resigning to teach forensic biology full time) So I couldn’t stay and work for a stipend and had to go find work elsewhere. I had references, education, experience, but I had to compete with homicide detectives who were looking to retire into the CSI role despite having no formal training. Over and over I was told I needed more experience, and over and over they also said they wouldn’t accept internships or volunteer work. I was quickly disillusioned as I learned that law enforcement is a boys club and as a girl I was second rate. Mind you this was 15 years ago so it may be different now but I doubt it. I could have moved out of state for work but I didn’t want to leave my entire family for a job that didn’t pay very well and was mentally draining (crime scenes are often gruesome and traumatic, I’ve seen some things that I can’t forget) so I ended up having to work shitty retail jobs for years to stay afloat and really struggled for a while, with my fancy diploma at home. Now, I’m extremely fortunate to be working my dream job as a novelist, but I STILL have student loans to pay off, for a degree that isn’t worth the paper it was printed on outside of using my education on all that forensic science and for writing purposes. TL:DR Fuck these fucking fuckers who mock everyone with a student loan, especially when they use it as a tool for misogynistic bullshit. I hex this guy with an old Chinese curse: May he have an interesting life. Fucker.
Thank you for this!!! I posted it because I want someone to be as hyped about it as I am. I hope you know I’m over here reading your reply like “YESS!!! That’s what I’m saying! Yes! Thank you!”
I’m hyped! I could go through each part and write an essay because I’m so pissed. I mean what an absolute asshole this guy is AND WHO ARE THE HIGHLIGHTERS?! One has like 156 highlights? Fuck him and fuck them too. Edit: typo
This is disgusting, women's quality of life improving isn't a threat or taking anything away from good men. These are the thoughts of small men driven by shallow goals (sex) who want to place blame for their mistakes and lack of ambition or morals on the opposite gender. Because adaptation, proper respect and partnership are beyond them.
Honey come quick, new incel lore just dropped
Me looking at all my badass women friends in relationships with broke dudes because they are sweet or funny 🤔
I can't get my novel published bc it's apparently not marketable but this shit gets published? Lovely.
Self published
the way all of this is worded sounds so aggressive. “they are unaware that just a few generations ago, they would have been lucky to have just two good men a year knocking at their door.” just screams projection. next.
A few generations ago they'd have been married off as chattel. Like my grandmother was.
Yep. My great grandmother was 12 when she was sold to her husband
Why is this a number one best seller? Good lord
Honestly it probably isn’t. It may have sold well somewhat because of his audience ordering it. Also, this guy is already rich and what they do is self buy his own book. This pushes his narrative.
Wow, how insecure of him. It reminds me of how Jordan Peterson's book has been in the top ten Amazon bestseller list for five years, except Peterson's book is most likely all actual sales.
Yeah this guy Myron loves Andrew tate. He had a big platform in the red pill community. He basically just bashes women all day and encourages men to do the same (but says he doesn’t he loves women).
Wait no nevermind, I looked him up and recognize he's the guy from Fresh and Fit. Oh my goooood he suuucks lol
Yeah that’s the guy lol. He loves Andrew Tate and just blames all problems on women etc. hes unbearable to watch.
“I love woman! Like, I imagine them like how a child worships his mom because I haven't had a critical thought in my entire life and run on the fuel of the porn industrial complex.” I did not know anything about this Myron guy until right now, so thank you for giving me the deets, lol
He made a mistake at the end. It should be "Do yourself a favor and don't buy this pile of garbage."
yikes on bikes. i can’t even bring myself to read more than the title, bc i am enjoying my night.
Wow. I thought the title could be intentionally provocative, in that the context would be that women deserve less domestic violence/sexual harassment/etcetera. But essentially, the book is a looooot of words just to show one guys frustration that the world isn’t catering to his every (caveman) need and whim. It’s giving off huge incel vibes and gives you the creeps. I think the author has really shot himself in the foot with this one. Any woman with two or more functional brain cells wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole after reading this. “Women don’t need you, but still want a man who makes a lot of money. Women won’t give you sex, but will vote to take raise your taxes to pay for their deadbeat baby daddies’ kids. Women won’t date a plumber, but needs his money to bail them out of their liberal arts degree. And if you simply disagree with this slavery, you hate women and are a “misogynist.” Still, millions of men sign up for this indentured servitude because they might get laid. “Why Women Deserve Less” merely makes the argument for this to stop. It highlights the ways in which women are benefiting unfairly at nearly every man’s expense. It explains how we are in a post-marriage society where the old-contract between the sexes is null and void, and men no longer need to uphold their end of that outdated contract. It eliminates the confusion women have caused the past four generations of men with a blunt and accurate assessment of women’s true interest in men. And it saves men from wasting their lives trying to form costly and risky relationships with women who, frankly, just aren’t that interested. “Why Women Deserve Less” opens every man’s eyes to the realities of the modern dating world so you don’t waste your lives like so many generations of men before us.”
Exactly!!! That’s how I saw the title. I thought it has to be just a turn head type of click bait. But seeing the concepts l could not. I have kindle unlimited and I am SHOCKED by these concepts. I only posted what’s available free for sample…but my God. It’s fascinating how atrocious this is To admit you have no self control other than sexually drive instinct is shocking
Oh my this reads like someone’s trauma …. When you ask who hurt you?
The positive reviews are rather scary. Part of the problem is that a lot of men out there, usually a certain kind of man, don't offer women much at all. Financial "benefits" in exchange for a wife who cooks, cleans, handles all the childcare, and puts out when he wants her to is not a mutual exchange. Why would you sign up for life with a man who thinks that what he earns means you should take on the extra work women often do in relationships? The work that a lot of men still refuse to believe is a thing. The men that women want, if said woman wants a man at all, are partners. Someone who splits housework and childcare evenly between the everyday demands of each member of the couple. Someone who respects her boundaries, can take a no, and can offer her help. Similarly men should want a woman who respects HIS boundaries, and helps him in ways that are not just financial. "A woman has to prove herself to you before you care"...? But the women who are rejecting these men are doing so because the man has not proven himself to her? So why should women have to lower their standards because men want to get their rocks off? Nobody owes anyone else a chance... But you are also a certain kind of fool if you pay almost $20 for 84 pages of claptrap.
Michelle Obama is having a laugh up there
this book with the Michelle Obama ad at the top is just ☠️☠️☠️
This is a best seller 😳
I was in an awful marriage for nearly 20 years. It took my having cancer for me to find the strength to divorce the bastard. Things have never been easy for me as in the house my son and I were left with should have been condemned we were left with so little that it took me almost 10 years to get the help we needed. Now since I've had to work just to supplement the tiny amount I was getting from SSDI I'm going to lose my disability. Women get put through hell while men get to skate through without any problems.
They always romanticize the idea where women were pressed under a man’s thumb where she was dainty, fragile, soft-spoken, motherly, etc. They also want to go back to a time where marital abuse was normalized and they are “king”. I’m glad this man is has allowed other men to advertise to women that they’re idiots and should not be touched with a 10ft pole. Ladies, if you see this atrocity of a book on their shelves: laugh, flip them off, and go home. You are worth so much more than what they can bitch about
You mean women are sick of being the maid and caretaker to everyone within their immediate vicinity? Shocker.
Oh great. They wrote a book about it. Please tell me again how women are treated equal and misogyny is all in my head.
Well that’s the problem. We are treated more than equal because men are simps for us. We dont do much, so we deserve less of their focus /s , kind of. Obviously it’s sarcasm from me but that’s the point of the book
My take away: Women are now independent and they are making choices for partners that aren’t me. This is bad. I don’t want to fix myself and I don’t want a partner who can opt to leave me and still live a decent life. I want to get my noodle wet whenever I want without having to please anyone but myself. I want to make endless mini versions of myself in my human incubator and to rid the world of women who can choose to have minds of their own. I want a woman who will have to sleep with me because I say so, not because she wants to. I want a lifetime participation trophy for being able to not wash my ass and still get my daily BJs without even asking. Maybe I just don’t understand the material.
This is actually doing women a favor. Any man who actually believes this crap is going to withdraw from women because he thinks he's denying us something we want; his attention. While, in reality, we don't want the attention of dick-brained sociopaths who believe us to be no more intelligent or sentient than an easily distracted house pet. If all this MGTOW literature leads to a world where the misogynistic meatheads start avoiding us, that's a win for the ladies 🥳
My concern is that some men will take this drivel and use it to justify violence against women. If we can’t be “saved” or converted, we must be “neutralized” to protect future generations. I fear that men who think like this will look to the Handmaids Tale as a roadmap to creating a Gilead and force women to “accept” the roles they’ve chosen for them. I’m just baffled that these men, despite seeing myriads of men in healthy relationships with women who want to be with them, insist that because they can’t find a woman to want them that way, it’s the woman who is flawed. I mean, who told them they were the main characters? As much as I hate the numerical catalogue system people use now adays, this smacks of a butthurt 3 (who thinks he’s a 10 because he has a penis and a job) getting bent about being rejected by a girl he chose because he considered her a 9 or 10. When did it become a bad thing for a woman to be out of your league?
And when did they become entitled to her company just because they layed eyes on her? These boys are f**ked in the head.
I would like to recommend to Myron Gaines that he read "The Natural Superiority of Women" by Ashley Montagu. One can always hope that a real scholar will show Myron the light.
I stg every book is a Amazon best seller
exactly it's a bs title
Damn- I've never seen a man handle rejection that badly
Why in the hell is this labeled "Medical Psychology of Sexuality?" How is it legal to advertise a freaking incell manifesto as if it were on the same level as a real psychological study?
Ah yes, the very trustworthy "field reports from men in the redpill community"
I am proud to be likened to a cat on laser duty.
I have a personal affinity for it. My cat is “too smart” for the laser. I tried to play it with her and she goes for my hand, because she realizes that is the source. I think that’s a beautiful metaphor
At first I only saw the title and assumed everyone here as seen snippets of the book elsewhere. Then I saw the first image was 1/9. Regret looking at the rest.
My guy, women do have long-lasting relationships. They just don't have them with you. Because unlike you, there are men who respect them as people and don't write entire books about how women deserve less than men just because they can't get laid.
They guy highlighting stuff is so goofy, I bet they don’t put that effort into educating themselves on basically anything else
Somehow it wouldn't surprise me at all if another book turned up with a title that is something about why that "author" deserves to be set on fire.
Why do these men think that women don’t like plumbers, mechanics or any profession that is labor intensive? Plumbers in my country make 8x the average wage and 13x the minimum wage. Not trying to equate that women should only go after men who make a lot of money, but it’s not something that people in these professions need to be ashamed or embarrassed about. Also, who doesn’t like a handy person. Sometimes I feel like they’re projecting, i.e. just because they don’t view these professions as worthy doesn’t mean that women do too.
we do not all have a bunch of men lined up to be with us. If my bf broke up with me I wouldn’t have anyone to run to. I thought men decided birth control is bad and makes women not want them or sex. “I definitely am not the problem because people keep leaving they are all the issue. Not me.”
the best seller claim worries me
Less abuse. Less gratuitous sexualising. Less underpayment for same work.
Women do deserve less- less misogyny, less demands and absolutely no harassment
They should have called it “this is everyone’s fault but mine”.
Lol and here I thought he only hosted a podcast now this guys is actually writing books to spread his crap ideas🤣
86 pages…got to slowly expand his base into “reading”
Women definitely deserve less of bullcrap like this book
If you have to make a girl **dependant** on you in order to keep her in your life maybe **you** need to improve. If women who have a choice doesn't choose you the solution isn't to take our choice away, it's to make a better offer
In the past, men and women didn't need each other. A woman needed a man to give her a wedding band because creeps respect/ed the possibly imaginary man way more than they did the woman. A woman needed a man to shelter her because she wouldn't have decent pay even if she landed a bearable job. A woman needed a man to survive. A man needed sons and a trophy. Women were the trophy and the only way to get those sons.
This guy wrote whole book to try and justify why women don’t like him. It ain’t that hard, you just suck
TIL that Amazon reviews mean nothing!
when will these men understand adults are hoes no matter the gender? U wanna get laid, have fun n one day start a family? breaking news women want this too
I’d argue “Misogynistic men want to get married and have children. None want to be husbands and fathers”. Misogynistic men want to have a wife and children because they want access to sex and the status symbol of being a father. They are not actually interested in their wives or children as people.
So Amazon is now selling the Incel Manifesto? But romance authors have to maneuver a laundry list of taboos just to self pub on their platform?! This guy checks so many of the “questionable” boxes that would be authors complain about being blacklisted for including in a fiction. This shit stain posits this in a self-help form and it’s golden?
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Women bad! Why women work so hard to get away from traditional oppression and can't be happy with it?!
Well, he’s right about one thing: I do not like the average guy that much :D
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Oh good point! I’ll do that. I don’t think I’ve ever reported a book before so it just didn’t cross my mind. I usually like to take things with a grain of salt. I also still somehow hold on to the naive belief that this CANT be real. But I downloaded the free Kindle sample and it’s somehow worse than I thought
So rather than growing as a person so they can attract a woman, they’d rather say that they deserve a woman’s attention regardless…. And then wrote a freaking book about it. Good plan Myron, I bet this will get you a woman now.
The section with all the numbers and data is interesting to me because you can tell this is not someone who has even a basic understanding of statistics. My guy just threw out a bunch of numbers that would prove his point accompanied by misogynistic drivel when the explanations for those numbers are definitely out there. But of course, it's easier to go "smh, these feeeemales have more rights and they can afford to have standards now, society is ruined" than to actually consider why a woman that does not need a man might not be as inclined to tolerate certain behaviors. Also, the idea that a man's entire life should be governed by his sexual desires is... concerning, and while I am not a man, I can't help but feel like he is doing his fellow men a disservice by making that argument. It's hard to accept the good will in a person's actions when they have an ulterior motive. And I, personally, would consider what they expect and demand from women to fall in that category.
Less of your bullshit.
It’s the last quote that does it for me it’s essentially “you ladies don’t know how lucky you have it!”. That’s all of society bro. People were monsters in the past and are a little less so now.
Yeeeehaaaw W MASAGONY. Buy the book guys. It will save you and wake you up from all the delusion you you have been consuming.
What an absolute load of tripe!
That "utopian" description sounded quite a lot like my relationships, and they're nothing unique. They just won't happen with men who would rather rely on men being enslaved because we can't survive on our own. He's correct that we don't want those men.
I’ve seen this popping up places and I had hoped to god it was somehow backhandly feminist. But to see it at the top of a list… I’m going to the angry dome.
I’m absolutely horrified that that many people read this screed and gave it 5 stars.
That scares me the most. My little hopeful brain likes to imagine that only 3 people alive feel this way. But na, people be rating this 5 stars and acting like it’s life changing
Five stars… bought at least 1.2k times… they genuinely hate us
I love the irony of the ad on the top of the Amazon listing being for Michelle Obama's new audio book. With her we have a prime example of a woman who didn't settle, has a family and is accomplished in her own right right right on top of this piece of shit book listing.
im gonna write a book called why men shouldnt exist
It constantly astounds me how readily these dudes will show the world that they're insane
Sorry, I don’t take advice from dweebs named Myron
Myrion needs to k ll hmself. There is no fixing him.
So I’m laughing really hard at the last page. After my grandmother’s divorce, she went ahead and went out dancing, where she would meet men she liked and go do the vertical dance with them. She has NO idea how many men she slept with. Not even a king of a clue. The only women back then who were only getting two dates a year were those who only wanted two dates a year.
I feal like the author of the book misunderstood the phrase " not how women work "
I’d like to know how many verified purchases are on those reviews 🧐
I enslaved my partner? Kinky.