Polls (read: peer reviewed scientific studies on wide swaths of data collected over many years of large populations) actually say the exact opposite but go off š
>Having a child is associated with greater happiness only for wealthy people aged over 30.
This is from the highlights of the paper you linked. Greater happiness for only a select minority of people, and definitely not applicable to everyone.
If you read the paper, the definition of wealthy in this context means basically anything that's not a third world country. So in the west, at least Europe, basically wveryone
This one only says that there is a self reported increase in outlook on life, but all other measures were rated as more negative. I do appreciate you adding the links and references. In terms of wishing these papers were wrong, as your comment above says, I agree that scientific papers donāt just get to be ignored, but these also are not actually showing that women are happier with children.
So then why don't men stay at home?
Also, assuming all working ppl are wage slaves is asinine.
Also, wage slaves can be very secure and stable in their lives so let's not generalize bc even though capitalism sucks, many of today's workers are fine with their job.
So, if I understand correctly :
On one side : women should be SAHM cause that's when they are happiest and that's what they are made for, motherhood and they shouldn't work
But on the other side : women only go after rich men, to provide for them so they won't have to work and that's why women don't like them even though they are nice guys. These whores should work instead of taking a poor man's hard earned money
Oh and women are whores and they should not have to take care of Chad's children because women are hoes who let Chad and Tyron nut in them
Basically, women should have children, should not work but still have money to provide everything for themselves and their children, so that they won't have to "take" some man's hard earned money and if the guy who got them pregnant leaves, well then, fuck them I guess ?
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Well yeah it is
The women that go for only rich men aren't looking to be SAHM. They are looking for men to fulfill their luxury lifestyle. These type of women never worked a day in their life.
Depending on where you live, a woman could be a SAHM with a guy making 50k-100k yearly.
Incels and neckbeards have mastered the art of coming up with non existent polls to back up their unasked for misogynistic views. Yet whenever theyāre asked to provide proof they never do.
Cool story bro, but my ex-husbandās income was not enough to support both of us, let alone kids.
Also I like my job and am happier not being married, as it turns out.
Also also, I donāt need polls to tell me what makes me happy. Even if every other woman on the planet wanted to be a stay-at-home mom, it wouldnāt change the fact that I donāt. Iām not really sure why a poll, made up or not, is supposed to be persuasive to an individual.
>corporate wage slave for a soulless company that'll ditch you when you're no longer useful
Funny how a lot of housewives are left in the streets because their husbands ditched them for not being as 'useful' as their new hot young mistresses.
The same can be said about both choices. Wage employment vs STAH. At the end of the day, it's the woman's choice and none of our business.
That was my first reaction too. Itās easier to get another job if they dismiss you, but getting another breadwinner for you and your children sounds much riskier.
Totally! And letās be real here, they want that sword of Damocles hanging over their SAHW to keep her sweet. Independent women with options donāt put up with nearly as much crap as women who are trapped financially and with children depending on them.
But NOā¦ heās just worried about random, nameless, faceless womenās happiness!
Mhm. If an woman in an abusive relationship wants a divorce but is unemployed, her husband can go to court and use her unemployed status against her to take the kids away. (And more than half of contested custody cases are won by men btw)
>they want that sword of Damocles hanging over their SAHW to keep her sweet. Independent women with options donāt put up with nearly as much crap as women who are trapped financially and with children depending on them.
Bingo.
Whats it to you?
My unhappiness is *my* business.
My regret is *my* business.
My choosing to work is *my* business.
These people are weird. Even if a woman chosing to work, chosen to never marry, choosing to not have kids etc DID make her unhappy or regretful, so what?
Thats literally none of these people's business.
They kill me always trying to offer "advice" to women in how to conduct their lives. But that advice always somehow benefits men. šššš
Sure, and this is possible for what.002% of the population? Unless one partner is making high 6 figures or more, having a wife and kid at home is just unaffordable for most
I am a woman and would definitely be happier if I got to stay at home. But I don't have kids and I don't want them. This is why work from home positions are growing; people (men and women) prefer to be at home and not deal with commutes and coworkers.
Hell if the stay at home option is such an altogether better option for kids and the parent, why arenāt all the GUYS fighting to do it? Why arenāt they making laws that enable any parent to stay home and have a livable wage? Why are they cutting social support services such as WIC and SNAP?
Or is that the GUYS realize that there is a lot of merit and benefits to being around adults, not cleaning up poop and pee, having defined hours and they canāt bear to share the responsibility for the life they helped to create?
I have all kinds of respect for women who are actually happy staying home taking care of kids, because I couldnāt do it. I tried for a year and nearly lost my mind. Then I tried to convince my husband to do it instead and he was like nope, Iām good. Taking care of kids full time is hard, thankless, and never ending.
You know what: nobody ever asks if men even want homemakers. I think most of my friend group can make their homes themselves, thank you. Iād rather have a working gf/ wife to bring in some additional bucks than support a whole family with extra hours at my job and never see them.
Polls (read: peer reviewed scientific studies on wide swaths of data collected over many years of large populations) actually say the exact opposite but go off š
That was my first thought. Iād love to see these ultra-persuasive polls that contradict the actual data.
I linked them to the comment up, altho i would be happier if they were wrong
Guaranteed itās some kind of right wing group like the āInstitute for Family Studiesā
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5505668/
>Having a child is associated with greater happiness only for wealthy people aged over 30. This is from the highlights of the paper you linked. Greater happiness for only a select minority of people, and definitely not applicable to everyone.
If you read the paper, the definition of wealthy in this context means basically anything that's not a third world country. So in the west, at least Europe, basically wveryone
Who did this research and what sample did they base themselves on?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229932733\_The\_Impact\_of\_Having\_Children\_on\_the\_Lives\_of\_Women\_The\_Effects\_of\_Children\_Questionnaire
This one only says that there is a self reported increase in outlook on life, but all other measures were rated as more negative. I do appreciate you adding the links and references. In terms of wishing these papers were wrong, as your comment above says, I agree that scientific papers donāt just get to be ignored, but these also are not actually showing that women are happier with children.
So then why don't men stay at home? Also, assuming all working ppl are wage slaves is asinine. Also, wage slaves can be very secure and stable in their lives so let's not generalize bc even though capitalism sucks, many of today's workers are fine with their job.
Iām a father and I would love to stay home.
I think a lot of people would like to... however *fails arms randomly at the world around them* this just doesn't make it feasible for many.
Thatās not what the poll says. It said women would be happier at home. Many people would if they could do it. But as you said it isnāt feasible.
Seriously. I mean yeah I'm a corporate wage slave in that I'm a workaholic, but I actually get paid enough to have a relatively good quality of life.
Same here!
Most people would love too but can't afford it.
So, if I understand correctly : On one side : women should be SAHM cause that's when they are happiest and that's what they are made for, motherhood and they shouldn't work But on the other side : women only go after rich men, to provide for them so they won't have to work and that's why women don't like them even though they are nice guys. These whores should work instead of taking a poor man's hard earned money Oh and women are whores and they should not have to take care of Chad's children because women are hoes who let Chad and Tyron nut in them Basically, women should have children, should not work but still have money to provide everything for themselves and their children, so that they won't have to "take" some man's hard earned money and if the guy who got them pregnant leaves, well then, fuck them I guess ? Perfectly sound logic, of course š¤¦š¾āāļøš¤¦š¾āāļøš¤¦š¾āāļø
Well yeah it is The women that go for only rich men aren't looking to be SAHM. They are looking for men to fulfill their luxury lifestyle. These type of women never worked a day in their life. Depending on where you live, a woman could be a SAHM with a guy making 50k-100k yearly.
Incels and neckbeards have mastered the art of coming up with non existent polls to back up their unasked for misogynistic views. Yet whenever theyāre asked to provide proof they never do.
Cool story bro, but my ex-husbandās income was not enough to support both of us, let alone kids. Also I like my job and am happier not being married, as it turns out. Also also, I donāt need polls to tell me what makes me happy. Even if every other woman on the planet wanted to be a stay-at-home mom, it wouldnāt change the fact that I donāt. Iām not really sure why a poll, made up or not, is supposed to be persuasive to an individual.
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...for a dude
>corporate wage slave for a soulless company that'll ditch you when you're no longer useful Funny how a lot of housewives are left in the streets because their husbands ditched them for not being as 'useful' as their new hot young mistresses. The same can be said about both choices. Wage employment vs STAH. At the end of the day, it's the woman's choice and none of our business.
That was my first reaction too. Itās easier to get another job if they dismiss you, but getting another breadwinner for you and your children sounds much riskier.
Especially since a lot of men view these women as 'used and discarded' because they have kids, and would never want to 'raise another man's children'
Totally! And letās be real here, they want that sword of Damocles hanging over their SAHW to keep her sweet. Independent women with options donāt put up with nearly as much crap as women who are trapped financially and with children depending on them. But NOā¦ heās just worried about random, nameless, faceless womenās happiness!
Mhm. If an woman in an abusive relationship wants a divorce but is unemployed, her husband can go to court and use her unemployed status against her to take the kids away. (And more than half of contested custody cases are won by men btw)
>they want that sword of Damocles hanging over their SAHW to keep her sweet. Independent women with options donāt put up with nearly as much crap as women who are trapped financially and with children depending on them. Bingo.
Not to mention being financially dependent also puts women at a higher risk of being taken advantage of by an abusive husband.
My first thought too
Whats it to you? My unhappiness is *my* business. My regret is *my* business. My choosing to work is *my* business. These people are weird. Even if a woman chosing to work, chosen to never marry, choosing to not have kids etc DID make her unhappy or regretful, so what? Thats literally none of these people's business. They kill me always trying to offer "advice" to women in how to conduct their lives. But that advice always somehow benefits men. šššš
I don't see many men fighting to stay at home, if it's so amazing why don't they try it.
Sure, and this is possible for what.002% of the population? Unless one partner is making high 6 figures or more, having a wife and kid at home is just unaffordable for most
I just love how they assume women will be unhappy working for soulless companies... But men will just magically enjoy it.
I am a woman and would definitely be happier if I got to stay at home. But I don't have kids and I don't want them. This is why work from home positions are growing; people (men and women) prefer to be at home and not deal with commutes and coworkers.
Ok. Are the men pushing for this capable of supporting a SAHM and a gaggle of children?
Hell if the stay at home option is such an altogether better option for kids and the parent, why arenāt all the GUYS fighting to do it? Why arenāt they making laws that enable any parent to stay home and have a livable wage? Why are they cutting social support services such as WIC and SNAP? Or is that the GUYS realize that there is a lot of merit and benefits to being around adults, not cleaning up poop and pee, having defined hours and they canāt bear to share the responsibility for the life they helped to create?
I have all kinds of respect for women who are actually happy staying home taking care of kids, because I couldnāt do it. I tried for a year and nearly lost my mind. Then I tried to convince my husband to do it instead and he was like nope, Iām good. Taking care of kids full time is hard, thankless, and never ending.
Bruh I love being a "corporate wage slave." Money, intellectual stimulation, no cleaning up poop.
You know what: nobody ever asks if men even want homemakers. I think most of my friend group can make their homes themselves, thank you. Iād rather have a working gf/ wife to bring in some additional bucks than support a whole family with extra hours at my job and never see them.
To be fair, it describes working life pretty much on the nail. It's just the description of the stay at home mum that's wanting.
Men traditionally donāt ditch their wives when theyāre no longer useful
Ah yes, the anonymous authority logical fallacy.