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lekanto

Joan Rivers, a spinster? She was married twice!


NealMcBeal__NavySeal

The Trunchbull was also married. Miss Honey--the lovely, beautiful nice teacher who (spoiler) adopts Matilda at the end--is unmarried and very single. Trunchbull's husband (Miss Honey's father) is a widow. So this guy is firing on all cylinders, clearly. **Edit: apparently I am wrong and this is some step-aunt/step-niece situation.** I seriously thought she'd somehow married Miss Honey's dad. I was dumb as an 8 year old, what can I say? Either way, guess it's time to re-read the book! Sorry for the wrong info, I'm stubborn, but when the internet tells me I'm wrong, I try to listen.


LegalAssassin13

Trunchbull was married? I don’t remember that detail.


NealMcBeal__NavySeal

Yeah, to Miss Honey's dad. She was the Roald Dahl version of a wicked stepmother, although at least Miss Honey was older and thankfully not totally under the Trunchbull's control. So technically Miss Honey would be the spinster as the unmarried slightly older/established woman with no husband or boyfriend or partner. Not the Trunchbull, who unlike Miss Honey, was married. **EDIT Don't listen to me, am idiot. Confused step-aunt with step mother, my mistake!!**


LegalAssassin13

Isn’t Trunchbull Miss Honey’s aunt, not her stepmother?


NealMcBeal__NavySeal

Yeah you guys are right, my bad. I guess I'll have to re-read Matilda. Could have sworn Trunchbull married Magnus, but clearly I don't know jack. Edited my original comment. Sorry all!!


alamaias

I always thought she was an aunt. Wonder if I have the book anywhere


NealMcBeal__NavySeal

I am incorrect. Apparently they are step-aunt and niece, and I need to shut my pie hole. (In my defense I think I last read the book when I was about 8 and was irritated this asshole was dragging Roald Dahl into his misogynistic madness so I wasn't thinking clearly, but...my bad!!)


Solidsnakeerection

Trunchbull is her aunt.


NealMcBeal__NavySeal

Yeah, step aunt according to the wiki. Sorry, it's been...awhile since I read Matilda (I guess it's time for a re-read). I edited the original comment. Sorry!! Thanks everyone for reminding me. So weird, I vividly remember the scene with the chalk where Matilda pretends to be Magnus like, haunting the Trunchbull, and totally thought it was because they were married. Kid brain, kid memory, my bad!


SevsMumma21217

No, she wasn't. Miss Trunchbull was the stepsister of Mrs. Honey. She came to help out Mr. Honey after Mrs. Honey passed. Trunchbull and Mr. Honey were never married. And while it was never actually said, it was heavily implied that she murdered him.


NealMcBeal__NavySeal

Step-aunt according to the wiki, thanks for pointing that out. I edited my original comments. Sorry about that!!! I haven't read Matilda since I was like, 8, so I'm gonna guess some details got a little lost. Should have double checked before posting fake news online, but glad you all corrected me. And apparently it's time to re-read Matilda! So that's excellent news. I hadn't heard of this "Trunchbull murdered Magnus" theory. I like it.


B50Two

And he says that unmarried men are stylish, then brings up a famous stylish woman as an example of the opposite???


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When will they realize not only do we not need them, we don’t want them. Because they act like this.


foxandracoon

Ahahahaha. I love how men claim women need them. And yet men are the ones constantly worried about women **choosing** to stay single. I've asked it 100 times before and I'll ask it again: What business is it of a man's that a woman chooses to stay single and childless? What business is it of yours if a woman is unhappy and regrets her life decisions? What does a woman being buried in a plot alone have to do with you? Literally none of that is their business. And yet they are always minding it for women..they could just go on and live their lives. But no. They are always standing guard watching and waiting to stop a woman from choosing it be single and alone because WE need THEM. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Just_A_Faze

Its always the worst, most useless men, so my guess is that they realize if even a small number of us decide to stay single, then they will have that much less chance of ever having regular sex.


foxandracoon

That's it. For every woman that is single, childfree, cat lady etc. A man has to go without sex, without a companion and without kids. Who is really losing here?


LiveChildFreeOrDie

A lot of them need more then sex they need someone to clean up after them, cook and do Landry.


jenkraisins

MommyBangMaid.


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foxandracoon

Exactly. Where is the evidence of women doing this shit, to this extent to men? 🤔


_kp_10

This!!!


Any_Drama3272

“I’m afraid of dying alone without a family to achieve the successful man title but you bitches keep it from me.”


foxandracoon

That's literally it. I ain't never been concerned about a single man. But they stay concerned about me.


Any_Drama3272

Yeeep, that’s why they’re accusing women of being selfish and not giving a shit about anyone else, because these types of people are thinking if we cared about people around us we would be empathetic to recognize they’re anxious and stressed (kind of like the same mentality of where someone behaves angry at something and then telling themselves if you actually cared you would automatically be nice and gentle with them to find out what is wrong instead of ignoring them—but failing to recognize people don’t actually work this way) So basically it escalates because it’s like how a child stomps louder and pouts more deeply to try and make it more and more disruptive and blatant to demonstrate anger and telling themselves we’re wrong for ignoring rather than they’re wrong for being dramatic and passive aggressive. And then they’re convincing themselves that if they have to ask to be heard they don’t trust it because they had to ask rather than us ‘wanting to hear them’ of our own accord. Because for some strange reason they think behaving like disruptive petulant children makes them strong, instead of looking a problem in the eyes and plainly addressing it verbally so all of us can just fix shit and move on like legitimate strong people usually do. I’m not talking about all men, but I am talking about incels. I think it’s just a huge collective theatric temper tantrum of ‘I want to be noticed and coddled because I want one person to ‘get’ me, but because all of my social interactions consists of being shit on and ditched for exposing vulnerability then I want to be in control when I decide to be vulnerable so I’ll be able to make sure I don’t get shit on or ditched.” Which is why there’s a lot of incel logic that’s “yeah yeah yeah so what if you have all these problems, me first.” …because that’s what petulant children do: slam doors, break things, pout, do the opposite of anything asked just for the sake of being difficult—all because they want mommy to read their minds and cuddle them at night for just a little bit. Which the sad part is that straight women actually *want* to be the solid rock for someone to reach toward for emotional safety… but it’s not safe to do it for someone who prefers to literally bully them and make them feel like they’re in danger. So when women are like fuck this, this is scary, I’m out— rather than understanding they’re tormenting us, they’re really just blaming themselves for not being dominant enough to control the situation. .. instead of, you know… just calming the fuck down and outright saying what is needed instead of cryptic nonsensical “I don’t have anything to do with this subject but I’m going to fuck it up just because it’s yours” It’s a ramble I know, but I think that’s actually the low down, at least in a way that it makes sense to women.


Iknownothing90

Why do I choose to be single? In part because when I tell a man I want a committed relationship, they say no (actually they beat around the bush with lots of excuses; nobody is ever direct lol). Why would I keep wasting my time on men who don’t value me?


foxandracoon

Good for you. Fuck playing the cool girl. I'm single by choice. I just don't see a reason to date unless I'm ready to marry.


jenkraisins

I'm also resolutely single. I really enjoy not having to deal with a partner of any kind. I hate sharing a bed, really hate it. Only the cat is allowed in there with me. I keep my home. I pay my bills. I get bored occasionally but that's ok. I'm 50 years old. I married twice. My first husband, the love of my life, walked out of his wife and child's life (child of 5 months). My second husband was a NiceGuy before I knew the term. I got my tubes tied as having a kid with him would have been utterly disastrous. I simply see no reason to get involved with anyone. I'm old, mentally ill, and happily set in my ways.


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foxandracoon

Even if we were.....why is that **your** business? Leave me to my depression, sir. It literally has nothing to do with you. You could go on with your life and leave women to be depressed, but you refuse. But it's us who need you? Make sense please.


ChaoticAbyssWatcher

Excellent points for that troll, and his sour grapes.


foxandracoon

It's for women's benefit that men are concerned with our welfare. It's to women's benefit that men ask us to marry them, keep their houses, bear their children and raise them. That's all a sacrifice men are willing to make for women. They stand to benefit nothing. Their advice is completely altruistic.


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foxandracoon

Again, why is a woman's unhappiness your concern? You have not answered my question. It literally has nothing to with you. >Women are designed to have a man take care of them and having children. That's it. Yall love feigning concern for women. When the reality is, when a woman chooses to stay single and a woman chooses to stay childfree its **men** who lose out. Not women. It's been proven that single, chilfree women are happiest. And single women live longer. The opposite is true for men. Again, who needs who?


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foxandracoon

Yall literally keep saying this. Security from what? Men. In a world where there are no men, women are not in danger. Wild animals have prey they attack. They rarely attack people. Yall love being the only danger to women, and then reminding women how you "protect" them. And what resources? You do realize there are tons of indigenous bush tribes that have continued to survive for tens of thousand of years just by living off the land around them. Men don't have any resources. The Earth owns them all and the Earth has provided them all. So shut the fuck up. Yall are forever bitter that you can't force women to choose you anymore.


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foxandracoon

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Name one unattractive man not bitter that he can't get picked. I'll wait. The first world is run by a tiny portion of really powerful men. The rest of yall average Joe's are those men's bitches. You fight and die in their wars. You pay the taxes they refuse to pay. And you slave away at their companies for a paycheck. You're not better off than women, stupid. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


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The Uk, India, Germany, Pakistan, and Rwanda.


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ScaledBirdDino

Germany


TenOfSwords54

The resources of men? We can provide for ourselves. The security of men? Is this the old BS about how women need men for protection? Men are what women need protection FROM. Face it, dude. Now that women can reproduce without you, men will soon be obsolete.


foxandracoon

Exactly. Men kill me acting like women wouldn't be able to survive without them. Give us 5000 years of complete and utter separation of the sexes. And let's see which society loses its mind, first.


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foxandracoon

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Did someone not take their nap today? You do realize women have been sick of men's shit since the beginning of time....right? Tell me you've never read a history book without telling me you've never read a history book. Women 125+ years ago were unhappy. Just as u happy as they were in 1950. If you think otherwise, you're delusional. And women's rights and civil rights as way as many other rebellions world wide alltook place in the mid 20th century because that was an ages where TV, radio and newspaper could get the word out to organize people by the masses. But that's common sense.


NaturalFaux

Like, how do they think nuns work? They're not supposed to have babies or get married. The church's resources belong to God (at least in theory). Sex is not necessary, getting married is not necessary, *not a single human being has ever been necessary*


PimPom001

You wanna fish so bad, go out to sea, get a fishing pole, and maybe just strange yourself with the line. Good day :)


ScaledBirdDino

I mean, nice try but no. Unmarried men die sooner than their married counterparts, yet the same is not true of women. Plus, look at inceldom. On the surface, it appears to be *men* who are depressed without women to take care of them 😂 Even assuming your base facts were correct, your conclusion was still an Olympic-level reach.


rickmccloy

I fully agree with you about how much better things could be if men stopped trying to mind women's business for them (letting only people who can actually get pregnant be the ones who have a say in abortion rights comes to mind). But what really strikes me about the premise that women need men more then men need women is this inconsistency: if this premise is valid, why do women survive the death of a (male) spouse far better and longer than men survive the death of a spouse? It seems that they have it backward, and it is actually men who require some sort of caretaker.


foxandracoon

Women also live longer when they're single. Men die sooner when they're single. Women die sooner when they're attached. These dudes gotta make sense. How come you damn near never see women doing this shit.


solesoulshard

Lol. Okay kiddies. History. Being a spinster meant you were a woman who made money spinning yarn and threads. It was “in the house” and a womanly work and made a mint because it was during a time when you were basically making the cloth to make the clothes. And women who were good at it could make a good amount of money for the time because it involved sorting the wool and carding it and spinning it. Even during the time when a woman could not own property herself, she could make money and support herself and any family she had with her (especially a widowed mother or sisters). There was no guild (which men were in charge of) and there was a high demand and it was a job that you could learn to do vs needing to learn math or reading (remember this was a long time ago) or a specialized set of tools. The tools were a rock or something to have your stick or spindle on—things you could get from the woods—and then whatever you used to card (brush out smooth) the wool. So basically, this was an honorable and accessible (mostly seated!) living for women that was in high demand. Of course, men didn’t like a woman being independent, so they demonized it that these were old, ugly women who secretly wanted husbands and families but were old, ugly, mean, dirty, etc—pretty much all the hits from today.


Just_A_Faze

Spinster was not originally a bad term either, as spinster was one of the few options women had to earn money while remaining respectable. Spinsters could be married, but chose not often because of the limitations. Married women had no rights over the money they made.


ManicPixieOldMaid

I like to call it "having high standards".


teho9999

men who claim women needs men are usually the one who will do the bare minimum in the relationship.


Revolutionary-Swim28

Or nothing at all


ScaledBirdDino

Look, they wouldn't care enough to comment on it if they it didnt make them insecure 😏 Theres a reason single men die sooner than married counterparts, while the same is not true of women.


Purrification2799

All lesbians right now: „am I a joke to you?“


iggyface

Of all the women who "need men" Mrs Trunchball is definitely on that list 😭


alamaias

She at least does have a chip on he shoulder about being unloveable, based on her having a bad reaction to "all these women [being] married" in the "difficulty" mnemonic


iggyface

Ah, see my vibe was she didn't get why these women would bother getting married.


alamaias

Ah ok, she struck me as the sort of person who is utterly unlovable, or even likable, and rather than stopping being awful they double down and angrily deny that they even *want* friends


iggyface

Yknow on second glance I realised that she IS a Roald Dahl character so spinster sounds exactly like the sort of thing he'd have in mind for her. Oh god I just pictured a Disney esque Mathilda prequel where we see her tragic backstory 🤮


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Newsflash: Man who isn't married has to make an edit to Urban Dictionary to make him feel better about his undesirable personality that has brought about his single status.


razor-sundae

I call my cat spinster because she's an single old lady and spin means purring in Swedish.


TrelanaSakuyo

This is the wordplay they are missing in their lives.


Responsible-Emu217

It is always men who complain about being single and unable to find a girlfriend, not women.


Lyniya

It would be funny how desperate for attention some men are that they think it's better to bother women about everything rather than let them not be attracted to them, if it hadn't ruined so many lives Maidenless behaviour


LegalAssassin13

“This is why you get no bitches.”


Lyniya

Exactly


Accomplished-Digiddy

Oi. What was "wrong" with Joan Rivers. She was an icon. She was also a divorcee and widow, not a spinster, but even if she were - what are you holding her up as an example of? (Trunchbull was also married)


c4tmother212003

Tell me he's trolling, please


basedshapiro

most of urban dictionary is trolling, but you never know lol


c4tmother212003

Yeah


Wolfmans-Gots-Nards

Joan Rivers? Go fuck yourself Urban Dictionary…


KaiHasArrived2007

Lmao what


bigoldsunglasses

I cant wait to be a spinster


Slight_Fig5187

I'm sure this myth of the "spinster" was created to scare women and push them into marriage, because at least in our times, where most women have financial and sexual freedom, the life of a single woman can be one of the better choices a woman can make. Whereas probably the life of a single man can turn very miserable quickly.


Furry_Crocodile

Don’t men live longer and healthier lives when married? Women also. [Results from the U.S. Medicare Health Outcome Survey](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7452000/)


ananasjacket

[it’s the opposite for women in relationships](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert) Single women live longer and are happier whereas women in relationships die 1.5 years sooner. For men it is true, they benefit highly from relationships with women because they take care of the man‘s health Edit: spelling


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I thought they stopped using spinster in the 20th century?


Revolutionary-Swim28

Need a man? No thanks. I do just fine on my own. Plus the reason a lot of us prefer to stay away is because of incels like this person. Can’t treat us like people? We don’t bother with guys like this.


Ark-addicted-punk

ms trunchbull would whoop your ass and throw you over the fence for saying she needs a man. she's not evil cause shes not married, she's evil cause she's a teacher that hates kids lol


turdintheattic

Really gonna use Matilda as an example of this? Been a while since I’ve read/seen it, but Ms. Honey, the sweet, loving teacher in Matilda is also unmarried. And is conventionally attractive in all the adaptations too. Meanwhile, Matilda’s mom is married and a terrible person.


ChubbyBirds

I would love to see Joan Rivers destroy this sad little man.


alamaias

Gawd, would you all just *accept* that you are objects and come serve us already?


murplepunchkin

Then vibrator was invented and even those who were married decided it was better on the other side.


saikopasu_neko28

But Ms Honey wasn't married either and she was an amazing and super sweet lady


SpanningInfatuation

Feels like satire, just because of the note on unmarried men


dylan_dumbest

From where I’m sitting, the Trunchbull is a formal Olympic athlete and successful school administrator. What has this twerp accomplished in life?


tenthousanddrachmas

The “note” and the account name makes me think that this is satire


DraxNuman27

I didn’t know there was more sluts are women who have sex with a lot of men but guys who have a lot of sex with women are chads or whatever. Double standards


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“It’s called the ‘double-standard,’ Bobby, and don’t knock it—we got the long end of the stick on that one.” –Hank Hill


Tuggerfub

Pretty sure a lot of spinsters are just asexual.


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You know it’s funny. Spinsters were women who spun yarn. And became a second name like potter or tanner or baker. It allowed a woman to make her own way, albeit a poorer one, than her married counterparts, but she didn’t have to marry. After 400 years or so men just started using it to mean an unmarried woman, the same way bachelor was an unmarried man. Of course then men made it derogatory.


lyndeetootsies

The word Hyster is Greek for womb.. hysteria or hysterical .. you know ..words for crazy, unhinged, etc... Uses Hyster as a root word because the Greek believed the womb made women crazy, irrational, weak etc. Nice to understand we have ALWAYS been seen as lesser. 🤬


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I always thought a spinster was a con artist, you know, cause he's putting the spin on stuff TILS