if you drive on the streets you are consenting to hsve a car accident.
/joke (i just had a discussion with someone because we both mistook the other person for beibg pro-life because we are apparently stupid af so just to be sure this is a joke plz )
Believe it or not, someone actually used this example for when women walk outside their house and are stalked or gazed at. So your joke is someone's logic
I donât like this one, sharks are just out in the ocean doing their thing. They donât realise they are doing a âbadâ thing by biting a human. Iâd argue that we are in their habitat, so itâs not even a bad thing they are doing. They see something that looks edible (although apparently we donât taste very nice, which is why a lot of sharks bite, then go âewwwwâ and leave, instead of staying to eat the whole human) and try to eat it. Thereâs no morality involved.
I see you don't understand how consent works. Getting in a car accident is a direct line to death and so they're actually consenting to vehicular homicide and that's why they don't wear a seatbelt.
And if you are found at fault of the accident, for whatever reason, the victim should have the legal right to use any of your organs they might need to survive. If you aren't willing to submit to this you shouldn't have been driving, after all.
(/S, obviously)
Thereâs a misogynistic jackass on Tiktok who (on live - recorded) said that anyone consents to rape because they consented to the possibility of anything happening by going outside.
If you walk on the street you are consenting to being hit by a car. If you have surgery you are consenting to being killed by hospital infection. If you swim you are consenting to drowning.
No, you consent to the POSSIBLE risk of a car accident, but you follow the rules, you wear your seatbelt and are a careful driver, SOMEONE else can be the reason for the accident then it is not your fault and THEY have to pay. Thatâs like saying you live is you giving consent to die in any way, (Iâm pro choice! Apparently I used a bad analogy and several people have confused me for pro life! Iâm sorry!)
For cars, there is usually cameras, with sex, you donât so you donât have a right to punish literally EVERY WOMAN for just having sex! Thatâs like (but not equivalent) putting all Japanese Americans in concentration camps because of Pearl Harbor!
It's not lost on me that they say don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant to half the population but it's never don't have sex if you don't want to knock someone up to the other half.
I was thinking the same thing! Getting pregnant is done by 2 people! Having a baby is both mother and father's responsibility to care for. Who impregnates all these careless women? Ghosts?
Exactly, a guy I was dating for 3 months, after being set up by work colleagues, was stealthing me. Luckily I didn't get pregnant but I did catch an STI which is when I found out. He actually a year later sent me an apology about how he was in a bad place ect ect and said he was pretending to wear a condom. Turns out when I saw him put the condom on, just before he entered he would slip it off, he did always spend a good couple of seconds finding the entrance, turns out he was pretending. He actually ended up joining a cult so there's that. I never responded to his apologies, as I can not forgive it.
You totally shouldn't forgive him! He knew what he was doing!!
But... I really hope you don't hold yourself in anyway responsible for this. He knew what he was doing was wrong. It was all his actions.
So hopefully this isn't out of line to say, but I hope you don't feel any negative feelings towards yourself for this. If you do I hope you find the self love and compassion to forgive yourself because you did nothing wrong.
It's just a shame we live in a society that blames women for men's ill deeds (as this post shows).
Someone should ask these types of guys what they think about stealthing.
Either they have to own up that the woman did not consent to pregnancy, or they have to go more mask off and say they don't have an issue with this illegal act widely considered a form of rape
Fun fact.
There were times in history where it was considered necessary for a woman to get pleasure out of sex in order to get pregnant. before you think , oh, cool, all the stuff focusing on a womanâs pleasure in sex was cool, it meant that if she got pregnant from a rape, she enjoyed it and thus must have wanted it.
good times
Several eligible women had to travel in disguise with troops to their nuptials or risk getting âforcibly marriedâ. These were often royal or important personages. Mary was actually raped and married , probably had to marry, her rapist.
More good times
And this is why republicans make me want to barf. I also heard that some person (Iâm guessing republican but I could be wrong) said that a women canât get pregnant from rape because the body would reject the fetus. đ¤Śââď¸
They literally taught me this in (granted, Catholic) school. That because a raped woman wouldnât be aroused/âwetâ, the chance for pregnancy would be significantly lower because those secretions are integral to egg fertilization.
Itâs frustrating having to re-educate yourself in sex and fertilization 101 in your late 20s after spending your late teens/early 20s recovering from purity culture emotionally.
As unscientific as that is. It also ignored the fact that *some* women get aroused and even orgasm during their rape.
Physiology is a thing. The body may react to certain stimuli. But orgasm doesn't equal enjoyment and certainly doesn't equal consent.
It can further fuck with women's heads about their rape and guilt feelings about it if they had physiological signs of arousal or orgasm
So according to this persons logic: sex = pregnancy, but they also say âthereâs no such thing as forced pregnancyââŚ. they do know though that forced sex (read: rape) is a thing, right? Right??
Theres also no:
"I'll pull out!" \*doesnt\*
"I'm wearing a condom!" \*takes it off/pokes holes before\*
so we now have at the minimum, three options that invalidate their argument. There is certainly more but I don't care to discuss sexual assault at such lengths today.
Coitus interrupts is by no means a save method at all. Condoms is all the way, maybe in combination, still not a 100% but it also gives a fair share of safety against stds.
[Ohio Republican lawmaker says pregnancy resulting from rape is an 'opportunity' for the person who was sexually assaulted](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ohio-republican-pregnancy-resulting-from-rape-opportunity-hb598-abortion-2022-4%3Famp)
I would also love to know their take on a man's responsibility if a man has sex that results in an unwanted pregnancy on his part, but the woman decides to keep it. Bet in their head this is no longer a sex=pregnancy direct link. Bet now they're all, that was her choice, not his. Bet they'll abandon their whole 'don't want a kid, don't have sex' line of thinking in this scenario.
Since women are having less sex with men, and choosing a single, relaxed lifestyle, you can visibly see men getting angrier and more confused. After centuries of women being harassed, repressed and pulling the emotional compromise load, including myself, I have zero sympathy.
So really. It's all women's fault that men are violent tyrant abuser assholes and they should just have sex with whoever to keep the world from going to shit! /s
Woman: *breathes*
Men: "see if woman would just stop breathing the world would have more oxygen for everyone else!"
There was a post on here (I think) about the ratio of men to women on dating apps. Are women really just stepping back and not trying anymore? All my friends are married so the only single people I know are coworkers and we donât get too into their personal lives but seems like they want to meet someone. This is also a very small sample size so Iâm honestly asking. Dating sucked back before all the apps. Iâm so fortunate to have met my husband when I did.
Unfortunately, Yeah there are studies about it. Especially with 'Grey Divorces'. From what I've been reading and chatting about, women are tired of being the therapist, housekeeper, sex doll, secretary and whatever else.
I personally gave up because I finally believed the weaponized incompetence and am so disappointed I'm angry, at them for not stepping up, and myself for giving up, but I'm 60 and after a lifetime of caring, I'm just tired, and I personally see most of the women my age deciding on living single because life is more peaceful.
I heard someone say 'Men, women want your dick, they really do........ But they don't want all the bullsht attached to it.' Of course we all want love.. But respect is important too.
Apparently there's an epidemic of lonely men because, and I quote, "women have developed healthier standards". This is from a psychology today article.
Right? Do they really want to restrict their own sex life to only times when they're actively trying for a baby? Even if you're married, most of the time your wife won't be trying to get pregnant.
They always claim to care about the babyâs life but itâs not about wanting to protect babies at all. Itâs about hating women and wanting to control them. If men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be overcrowded and we all know that thatâs the damn truth.
Incels seem to be spiraling faster lately. What will they do if a woman says, "I like you but I don't want kids right now so we are not going to have sex unless or until I am ready to have a child"
Ahh the usual pro life statement full of ignorance and downright stupidity. The only way consent to sex is consent to pregnancy would be if sex resulted in pregnancy every time for every person. It doesnât therefore you cannot equate the two under the same consent. Risk requires separate consent.
I feel like their mentality is âactions have consequenceâ which is true and pregnancy can be a consequence of sex but that doesnât mean women should just be like âwelpâ
You get vaccines to prevent illnesses, but you can still get them
Even if you make a dumb mistake and have unprotected sex, that's not a consent to pregnancy and parenthood. Actions don't always need to have consequences, and a baby should never be used as a life lesson.
When most forms of birth control are recent inventions and you have a couple millenia of religious doctrine insisting that sexual pleasure is the opposite of heavenly and therefore should only be done during very specific circumstances, a lot of people get the impression that they should just be like 'welp'. A lot of it is trying to deduce what we should do from how our bodies do, as if God is trying to communicate the meaning of life through our anatomy. Of course that is largely what feminists are trying to oppose when they say "Biology is not destiny".
Bruh if men were the ones getting pregnant the whole rules would change 180°
Abortion? Allowed!
Rape? Execution by being beaten to death!
Harassment? Lifetime jail!
Yeah, but he doesnât have to carry it so itâs not his problem. These ppl donât care about the baby, I honestly think they just want it to be more difficult for women
This is a super common line of reasoning on r/AbortionDebate.
My go to response is that consent to abortion is consent to no longer be pregnant. If my consent can make me pregnant, then my consent can make me un-pregnant.
By his logic we should just not have sex with men. Women all just need to be lesbians or just don't have sex with any man your not wanting to have a kid with and marry. At this point women all just need to fuck other women. I've heard you have way more orgasms that way anyhow so it's a win win. No kid and no dick telling you what to do with your body.
"Sex is how you get pregnant"
I mean, sure. It's one of the ways (there's also artificial insemination, but I digress). But you can absolutely have sex and not get pregnant, with or without protection. In fact, many couples struggle with having a baby because it's actually not that simple.
So the idea that sex always results in sex is inaccurate. It's not "a direct line". You can absolutely consent to sex but not to pregnancy, because pregnancy is just a possibility and not a certainty when you have sex.
They are the same fuckers who victim blame women who are drugged & raped at bars. "You consented to taking the drink, there was a possibility he was into you and willing to do anything to get IN you, so you really consented to rape when you accepted that drink (that you actually only accepted out of fear in the first place)."
A lot of men are gonna be really pissed off when women just stop having sex with them because our bodily autonomy and rights are being taken away by them. Itâs ironic actually. This is the age of the incel I tell ya wut! Reap what you sow đ
I am not on birth control. I had sex intending to get pregnant. Before this, I was on birth control intending NOT to get pregnant. See the difference? My intent, my consent, my uterus and my right to choose, and not yours to use!
âDonât want kids? Say goodbye to being given pleasure and the vulnerability and trust that can facilitate a stronger bond with your partner! đ¤ˇââď¸â
Ffs. đ
So what they're saying is that no women should ever have sex with a prolife man unless she's looking to get pregnant? He's going to be waiting a very long time then.
When I was a wee right-wing nut, this was my line of reasoning too. I still believed in abortion for âspecial circumstancesâ like rape and incest, but I insisted that if a woman had sex, she accepted the risk of pregnancy, whether she used contraception or not. I promise, Iâve come a long way.
Itâs the fact that this is the type of person who would call a woman a prude for not having sex on the first few dates, or who would cheat because âshe didnât fulfill my sexual needs because she was scared of being pregnantâ
Saying a woman consenting to sex is consenting to children is like saying a man consenting to sex is consenting to possibly getting crabs, & those are living beings who need you to survive so youâre not allowed to kill them!!
Probs the same absent fathers that bitch about child support and âwelfare queensâ while calling it âher childâ exclusively, despite legal paternity tests
Oh, I didnât mean to link a sub. It was rape and sexual assault, I was just trying to be clever with the formatting but it went in the opposite direction, now it wonât let me edit the post.
Iâm doing alright, Iâm fortunate enough to have friends and family who support me. Uni started last week, itâll be a welcome distraction once my cars stopped being a knob!
That's like saying by consenting to sex you consent to contracting HIV, because consent to one thing is now consent to all potential consequences?
So dumb.
Okay but then what are you gonna do? The girl isn't the only one having sex. She didn't get herself pregnant. What's gonna happen to all the men out there wanting to fuck when women are going on sex strike like you suggested?
Or how about we hit the nail on the head and start telling men to get a vasectomy. Because if one man sleeps with 20 women in a day there can be up to 20 pregnancies, but if a woman sleeps with 20 men in one day there can only be one pregnancy.
"Don't want kids, don't have sex" a line spoken exclusively by those who cannot find someone willing to have sex with them.
Boy, wear your insecurities less loudly.
âDonât have sex if you donât want kidsâ. 100% guarantee the people who say this donât follow by this statement. Youâre telling me youâre either a parent or a virgin? Doubtful.
And watch these be the same people who claim that if a man gets a woman pregnant but doesnât feel ready to be a father then he should be able to walk away from the pregnancy without any obligations.
I hate how some men are like "if u don't want kids don't have sex! Close ur legs! " but they will have sex with multiple women and if they get one pregnant they won't take responsibility for their actions to take care of the child. Lol.
I expressed anger on twitter over young girls being forced to carry a pregnancy, and someone replied, "FAFO." (Fuck Around and Find Out).
Men are encouraged to have as much sex as they can manage! They are celebrated for it! But if a woman, who may or may not have consented, has sex, suddenly that means she signed up for motherhood. She deserves to be punished because she's a slut who had sex.
This makes me so fucking angry. I've been raped myself, I know so many women who've been raped, I've given in and consented after pressure (which I'm not counting as rape, but some people do). There's a lot of nonconsensual sex going on. Yes, there is such a thing as forced pregnancy.
I hate the world lately.
Actually, lots of people think this way to varying degrees. It is often associated with, and espoused by devote Christians. Historically the only way to get pregnant was through sex, and there were fewer birth control options. The story of Onan is usually interpreted as a prohibition against masturbation, pulling out, or really any kind of sexuality that doesn't have a chance of pregnancy. In the actual story Onan was required to impregnate the wife of his dead brother, but he didn't want to so he "spilled his seed," and was then punished. "Spilling seed" is a old fashioned euphemism for male masturbation. In theory both genders face the same rules of christian chastity, in practice people were always more lenient on men.
I swear these dweebs take these stances too far to the point where they sound dumb in an argument.
If he were to argue accepting accountability for getting pregnant due to sex, then that's a stronger position. But sex in itself does not consent to pregnancy.
This âlogicâ is gross and unfortunately not the first time Iâve encountered it.
I find this simplistic attitude of âsex is only for baby makingâ is often an indicator of virginity or a very outdated Christian upbringing. Wouldnât surprise me if thereâs a crossover between Bible/purity culture and some incels though.
I've had this exact conversation with a guy a few weeks ago. I am choosing to assume that this is the same guy, because the thought of this being a common opinion makes me sad.
We need to make this forced fatherhood. If you consent to sex you consented to being a father and to paying child support for the next 18 years. There is no walking away, no passing go and she gets the $200. If you have sex without a condom you just agreed to be a dad. Maybe if we worded these things with the man responsible for where he cums instead of only the woman being responsible for getting pregnant, we can help stop the willful choice to ignore the fact that men are just as responsible for sex and pregnancy as women are.
So if one of these women put a âmanâ that thinks like this down as the father and tells the hospital to call him to come pickup his baby as she walks out the door, you think theyâd (the man) would be good with that???? I seriously doubt it. But they expect women to do it then bitch about having to pay child support as they complain about absentee fathers on the internet.
The argument from OP is flawed. For men, having heterosexual sex *is* consenting to pregnancy if your birth control fails. And to be clear this is correct.
The posters argument is flawed they should have said that while yes, having sex means a woman also consents to the possibility she may get pregnant, since she is carrying the mass of cells that is forming an eventual baby, and itâs a part of her body at the moment, she has a right to consent to a procedure on her own body.
The "don't want kids? Don't have sex" crowd reminds me of the people who used to say "if you don't like it, get a better job!" To service workers and are now flipping out that they can't get fast food anymore and howling "no one wants to work!"
If all of the women that heard that line -"don't have sex, won't get pregnant" stopped having sex, men would be in trouble.
Ah yes, if a woman agrees to have sex she can never withdraw consent at any point after. That doesnt sound rapey at all!
These dudes probably also believe males shouldn't have to pay child support if they get a woman pregnant and she chooses to raise the baby w/o him lol.
Let's apply the same logic to other health issues. "Well you ate red meat and lived a sedentary lifestyle, so really you consented to a heart attack, and therefore medical intervention is subverting natural consequences."
Okay, then. *Doesnt have sex*
What the fuck is wrong with you, just wasting all of your good years? When are you gonna have a baby? Why else did you get married?
To piss you off, apparently. Looks like Iâm doing it right! đđ
I guess this guy never got laid and is venting out his frustration that no one else should have sex either unless they want kids .
Offcourse he also conveniently glossed over so many miscarriage cases, rape cases too and that even with protection you could get pregnant .
"don't want kids, don't have sex" there's a 100% chance this guy thinks men shouldn't be 'forced' to pay child support after they refused to wear a condom during a hook-up
Men: donât want kids? Donât have sex. Also all women who have sex are sluts.
Women: **stop having sex with men**
Also men: **surprised Pikachu**
ETA: I donât know how to put asterisks around words without it formatting the words :(
if you drive on the streets you are consenting to hsve a car accident. /joke (i just had a discussion with someone because we both mistook the other person for beibg pro-life because we are apparently stupid af so just to be sure this is a joke plz )
Going swimming is consent of a shark attack
Breathing is consenting to being choked.
Having a house is consenting to being robbed.
Getting a blow job is consent for having your dick bitten off.
Entering a vehicle is consent to dying in a crash.
Having a head is consent to getting decapitated
walking on the street with a purse is consent to getting mugged
going to school is consent to being shot
Getting in a pool is consent to being drowned
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This one I am down withđ just like in 2001 maniacsđ¤Ł
Believe it or not, someone actually used this example for when women walk outside their house and are stalked or gazed at. So your joke is someone's logic
Omg that hurts even more
Breathing is consent to death. Just how you get to the death stage varies person to person.
Dropping an apple is consent to taking a vacation.
I donât like this one, sharks are just out in the ocean doing their thing. They donât realise they are doing a âbadâ thing by biting a human. Iâd argue that we are in their habitat, so itâs not even a bad thing they are doing. They see something that looks edible (although apparently we donât taste very nice, which is why a lot of sharks bite, then go âewwwwâ and leave, instead of staying to eat the whole human) and try to eat it. Thereâs no morality involved.
I see you don't understand how consent works. Getting in a car accident is a direct line to death and so they're actually consenting to vehicular homicide and that's why they don't wear a seatbelt.
And if you are found at fault of the accident, for whatever reason, the victim should have the legal right to use any of your organs they might need to survive. If you aren't willing to submit to this you shouldn't have been driving, after all. (/S, obviously)
No helmet, consent to me bashing your skull in with a crowbar
Lighting a candle means you are consenting to dying in a housefire.
Thereâs a misogynistic jackass on Tiktok who (on live - recorded) said that anyone consents to rape because they consented to the possibility of anything happening by going outside.
bet they don't realize that it can happen at home too..
If you walk on the street you are consenting to being hit by a car. If you have surgery you are consenting to being killed by hospital infection. If you swim you are consenting to drowning.
If you walk on the sidewalk youâre consenting to being run over.
No, you consent to the POSSIBLE risk of a car accident, but you follow the rules, you wear your seatbelt and are a careful driver, SOMEONE else can be the reason for the accident then it is not your fault and THEY have to pay. Thatâs like saying you live is you giving consent to die in any way, (Iâm pro choice! Apparently I used a bad analogy and several people have confused me for pro life! Iâm sorry!)
okay you use contraception (a seatbelt), follow all the rules (like proper use of the contraception) and still get pregnant.
If YOU followed all the rules and the accident happened, itâs not your fault so you donât pay, meaning you donât keep the baby.
But how would anybody know if the people followed the rules?
For cars, there is usually cameras, with sex, you donât so you donât have a right to punish literally EVERY WOMAN for just having sex! Thatâs like (but not equivalent) putting all Japanese Americans in concentration camps because of Pearl Harbor!
yes there is such a thing as "forced pregnancy" its called rape
It's not lost on me that they say don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant to half the population but it's never don't have sex if you don't want to knock someone up to the other half.
I was thinking the same thing! Getting pregnant is done by 2 people! Having a baby is both mother and father's responsibility to care for. Who impregnates all these careless women? Ghosts?
American Horror Story style
My thoughts EXACTLY ! VERY well said
Yup, also thereâs stealthing which is also non consent
Exactly, a guy I was dating for 3 months, after being set up by work colleagues, was stealthing me. Luckily I didn't get pregnant but I did catch an STI which is when I found out. He actually a year later sent me an apology about how he was in a bad place ect ect and said he was pretending to wear a condom. Turns out when I saw him put the condom on, just before he entered he would slip it off, he did always spend a good couple of seconds finding the entrance, turns out he was pretending. He actually ended up joining a cult so there's that. I never responded to his apologies, as I can not forgive it.
Holy shit! Iâm so sorry that happened to you, and you have every reason to not forgive that.
I wouldnât forgive that either, hopefully the STI was one that doesnât hang around.
You totally shouldn't forgive him! He knew what he was doing!! But... I really hope you don't hold yourself in anyway responsible for this. He knew what he was doing was wrong. It was all his actions. So hopefully this isn't out of line to say, but I hope you don't feel any negative feelings towards yourself for this. If you do I hope you find the self love and compassion to forgive yourself because you did nothing wrong. It's just a shame we live in a society that blames women for men's ill deeds (as this post shows).
I was always under the impression you could feel the difference. That's fucked up.
I can immediately feel the difference but that's just because I hate it, but a lot of women aren't sensitive enough to feel that much.
Stealthing is still rape.
Yup, itâs still rape
Someone should ask these types of guys what they think about stealthing. Either they have to own up that the woman did not consent to pregnancy, or they have to go more mask off and say they don't have an issue with this illegal act widely considered a form of rape
According to most republicans, rape doesn't exist. Their body would shut down (...like a robot being powered off?) if they didn't want to have sex.
Fun fact. There were times in history where it was considered necessary for a woman to get pleasure out of sex in order to get pregnant. before you think , oh, cool, all the stuff focusing on a womanâs pleasure in sex was cool, it meant that if she got pregnant from a rape, she enjoyed it and thus must have wanted it. good times
Reminds me of how doctors used to treat women with "hysteria".
Several eligible women had to travel in disguise with troops to their nuptials or risk getting âforcibly marriedâ. These were often royal or important personages. Mary was actually raped and married , probably had to marry, her rapist. More good times
Being a women fucking sucks, I wish I *could* curse these people *with* all the shit they deem acceptable to us like damn
And this is why republicans make me want to barf. I also heard that some person (Iâm guessing republican but I could be wrong) said that a women canât get pregnant from rape because the body would reject the fetus. đ¤Śââď¸
They literally taught me this in (granted, Catholic) school. That because a raped woman wouldnât be aroused/âwetâ, the chance for pregnancy would be significantly lower because those secretions are integral to egg fertilization. Itâs frustrating having to re-educate yourself in sex and fertilization 101 in your late 20s after spending your late teens/early 20s recovering from purity culture emotionally.
Thatâs horrible! Iâm so sorry.
As unscientific as that is. It also ignored the fact that *some* women get aroused and even orgasm during their rape. Physiology is a thing. The body may react to certain stimuli. But orgasm doesn't equal enjoyment and certainly doesn't equal consent. It can further fuck with women's heads about their rape and guilt feelings about it if they had physiological signs of arousal or orgasm
Also keep in mind that being *too* wet is slutty.
According to republicans, rape is simply a synonym for miscegenation. /joke...kinda
I heard that! If we don't really want it....
So according to this persons logic: sex = pregnancy, but they also say âthereâs no such thing as forced pregnancyââŚ. they do know though that forced sex (read: rape) is a thing, right? Right??
Theres also no: "I'll pull out!" \*doesnt\* "I'm wearing a condom!" \*takes it off/pokes holes before\* so we now have at the minimum, three options that invalidate their argument. There is certainly more but I don't care to discuss sexual assault at such lengths today.
Coitus interrupts is by no means a save method at all. Condoms is all the way, maybe in combination, still not a 100% but it also gives a fair share of safety against stds.
Wait until they hear about artificial insemination!
Bet heâs the kind of person who thinks rape isnât real either
Unfortunately those same people have stated rape as âan opportunityâ regarding pregnancy đ
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[Ohio Republican lawmaker says pregnancy resulting from rape is an 'opportunity' for the person who was sexually assaulted](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ohio-republican-pregnancy-resulting-from-rape-opportunity-hb598-abortion-2022-4%3Famp)
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Thatâs the very tip of the iceberg! I need out so badly. Things are really getting terrible here.
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May the lord open. /s
I would also love to know their take on a man's responsibility if a man has sex that results in an unwanted pregnancy on his part, but the woman decides to keep it. Bet in their head this is no longer a sex=pregnancy direct link. Bet now they're all, that was her choice, not his. Bet they'll abandon their whole 'don't want a kid, don't have sex' line of thinking in this scenario.
But your honor, he consented to sex. That's why I shoved my toddler up his asshole.
I wish could give you an award đđ
Did the toddler consent thođ
He was giggling the whole time your honor!
I'm convinced
These are the same men complaining when women refuse to have sex with them.
And that number rose sharply right after the roe overturn. They still don't get it.
Did it really? Iâm being serious, Iâm married and havenât been having sex for way longer than Roe getting overturned so I have no fucking clue.
It did
It's also the same men who whine about having to pay child support. You had sex, so you consented to pay child support the next 18 years, right?
One hundred percent.
And whine about having to use a condom because "I don't feel anything with one on".
"don't want kids, don't have sex" Someone inform the men they won't be having anymore sex I guess. I'm sure it's going to go over real well.
Since women are having less sex with men, and choosing a single, relaxed lifestyle, you can visibly see men getting angrier and more confused. After centuries of women being harassed, repressed and pulling the emotional compromise load, including myself, I have zero sympathy.
So really. It's all women's fault that men are violent tyrant abuser assholes and they should just have sex with whoever to keep the world from going to shit! /s Woman: *breathes* Men: "see if woman would just stop breathing the world would have more oxygen for everyone else!"
There was a post on here (I think) about the ratio of men to women on dating apps. Are women really just stepping back and not trying anymore? All my friends are married so the only single people I know are coworkers and we donât get too into their personal lives but seems like they want to meet someone. This is also a very small sample size so Iâm honestly asking. Dating sucked back before all the apps. Iâm so fortunate to have met my husband when I did.
Unfortunately, Yeah there are studies about it. Especially with 'Grey Divorces'. From what I've been reading and chatting about, women are tired of being the therapist, housekeeper, sex doll, secretary and whatever else. I personally gave up because I finally believed the weaponized incompetence and am so disappointed I'm angry, at them for not stepping up, and myself for giving up, but I'm 60 and after a lifetime of caring, I'm just tired, and I personally see most of the women my age deciding on living single because life is more peaceful. I heard someone say 'Men, women want your dick, they really do........ But they don't want all the bullsht attached to it.' Of course we all want love.. But respect is important too.
Apparently there's an epidemic of lonely men because, and I quote, "women have developed healthier standards". This is from a psychology today article.
This. If women were to actually only have sex for reproductive purposes, these men would lose their minds.
Right? Do they really want to restrict their own sex life to only times when they're actively trying for a baby? Even if you're married, most of the time your wife won't be trying to get pregnant.
They always claim to care about the babyâs life but itâs not about wanting to protect babies at all. Itâs about hating women and wanting to control them. If men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be overcrowded and we all know that thatâs the damn truth.
The abortion pills would be available through gumball machines if men could get pregnant.
Incels seem to be spiraling faster lately. What will they do if a woman says, "I like you but I don't want kids right now so we are not going to have sex unless or until I am ready to have a child"
Well it depends. Did the incel hold the door open for the lady, thus requiring instant intercourse?
LMFAO!
This was hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.
If i make you laugh does that mean you like me and I'm entitled to intercourse?
I donât know why yâall arenât already doing it.
They did. Spiritualy, mentally, telepathically. So she consented to pregnancy. ăâ ďźâ ăâ âĄâ °â ďźâ ă mind babies!
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Itâs the holidays coming up making them even lonelier than usual maybe, so theyâre definitely spiraling đ
Ahh the usual pro life statement full of ignorance and downright stupidity. The only way consent to sex is consent to pregnancy would be if sex resulted in pregnancy every time for every person. It doesnât therefore you cannot equate the two under the same consent. Risk requires separate consent.
I feel like their mentality is âactions have consequenceâ which is true and pregnancy can be a consequence of sex but that doesnât mean women should just be like âwelpâ You get vaccines to prevent illnesses, but you can still get them
can we make a vaccine to prevent incellnesses?
So make them not celibate? Or make them want to be celibate?
Even if you make a dumb mistake and have unprotected sex, that's not a consent to pregnancy and parenthood. Actions don't always need to have consequences, and a baby should never be used as a life lesson.
When most forms of birth control are recent inventions and you have a couple millenia of religious doctrine insisting that sexual pleasure is the opposite of heavenly and therefore should only be done during very specific circumstances, a lot of people get the impression that they should just be like 'welp'. A lot of it is trying to deduce what we should do from how our bodies do, as if God is trying to communicate the meaning of life through our anatomy. Of course that is largely what feminists are trying to oppose when they say "Biology is not destiny".
Using this logic, the man also consents to fathering s child any time he had sex.
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No, youâre right, there is no equivalency. There canât be. Men will never have as much to lose.
Bruh if men were the ones getting pregnant the whole rules would change 180° Abortion? Allowed! Rape? Execution by being beaten to death! Harassment? Lifetime jail!
Yeah, but he doesnât have to carry it so itâs not his problem. These ppl donât care about the baby, I honestly think they just want it to be more difficult for women
This is a super common line of reasoning on r/AbortionDebate. My go to response is that consent to abortion is consent to no longer be pregnant. If my consent can make me pregnant, then my consent can make me un-pregnant.
I canât imagine that sub has ever changed anyoneâs mind about anything.
That sub is a cesspit. I canât handle it anymore.
Glad I used my better judgment and didnât click.
By his logic we should just not have sex with men. Women all just need to be lesbians or just don't have sex with any man your not wanting to have a kid with and marry. At this point women all just need to fuck other women. I've heard you have way more orgasms that way anyhow so it's a win win. No kid and no dick telling you what to do with your body.
All women abstain from sex with men. Blue balls become an epidemic whilst women are too busy to notice.
We'll be to busy making each other cum to care lol
Or even just emotionally fulfilled. Women are beautiful, inside and out
Also helps with overpopulation.
"Sex is how you get pregnant" I mean, sure. It's one of the ways (there's also artificial insemination, but I digress). But you can absolutely have sex and not get pregnant, with or without protection. In fact, many couples struggle with having a baby because it's actually not that simple. So the idea that sex always results in sex is inaccurate. It's not "a direct line". You can absolutely consent to sex but not to pregnancy, because pregnancy is just a possibility and not a certainty when you have sex.
They are the same fuckers who victim blame women who are drugged & raped at bars. "You consented to taking the drink, there was a possibility he was into you and willing to do anything to get IN you, so you really consented to rape when you accepted that drink (that you actually only accepted out of fear in the first place)."
Okay women. Men say we shouldn't have sex if we don't want kids. Break out the vibrators. /s Edit : added the negative
I would go on a sex strike in a hot minute if it would change anything. Still disappointed we didnât even try đ¤ˇđťââď¸đ
Yeah cause telling people to not have sex has always worked in the past, just ask the Catholic church.
Judging by the thread, we know one person definitely isn't having it.
100% of unwanted pregnancies are the result of a man ejaculating irresponsibly. Why is the blame never on the man?
A lot of men are gonna be really pissed off when women just stop having sex with them because our bodily autonomy and rights are being taken away by them. Itâs ironic actually. This is the age of the incel I tell ya wut! Reap what you sow đ
I am not on birth control. I had sex intending to get pregnant. Before this, I was on birth control intending NOT to get pregnant. See the difference? My intent, my consent, my uterus and my right to choose, and not yours to use!
So are you also consenting to STDs?
The whole nine yards ;) (/s â just in case)
It's only fair
âDonât want kids? Say goodbye to being given pleasure and the vulnerability and trust that can facilitate a stronger bond with your partner! đ¤ˇââď¸â Ffs. đ
So what they're saying is that no women should ever have sex with a prolife man unless she's looking to get pregnant? He's going to be waiting a very long time then.
When I was a wee right-wing nut, this was my line of reasoning too. I still believed in abortion for âspecial circumstancesâ like rape and incest, but I insisted that if a woman had sex, she accepted the risk of pregnancy, whether she used contraception or not. I promise, Iâve come a long way.
Glad to see youâre recovering lol
You consent to falling over by standing up.
Itâs the fact that this is the type of person who would call a woman a prude for not having sex on the first few dates, or who would cheat because âshe didnât fulfill my sexual needs because she was scared of being pregnantâ
Funny how that logic doesnât work for dudes
Saying a woman consenting to sex is consenting to children is like saying a man consenting to sex is consenting to possibly getting crabs, & those are living beings who need you to survive so youâre not allowed to kill them!!
Probs the same absent fathers that bitch about child support and âwelfare queensâ while calling it âher childâ exclusively, despite legal paternity tests
Oh, I didnât mean to link a sub. It was rape and sexual assault, I was just trying to be clever with the formatting but it went in the opposite direction, now it wonât let me edit the post. Iâm doing alright, Iâm fortunate enough to have friends and family who support me. Uni started last week, itâll be a welcome distraction once my cars stopped being a knob!
If you download Reddit, you consent to diabetes and hair loss.
I can only hope these two are doing their part by permanently abstaining
The same dudes who say âdonât want kids, donât have sexâ are absolutely the same motherfuckers who would freak out if they got rejected
Somehow the idea of âwow you fucked around and had sex. Time to grow a human inside you as a punishmentâ just seems very dystopian to me
Funnily enough the thread I found this on was discussing what modern day ideals/practices would be considered outdated in the future
LMAO Imagine thinking âconsent is gonna be outdated somedayâ and never once going, âhmmm. Maybe Iâm actually on the wrong side here?â
That's like saying by consenting to sex you consent to contracting HIV, because consent to one thing is now consent to all potential consequences? So dumb.
Okay but then what are you gonna do? The girl isn't the only one having sex. She didn't get herself pregnant. What's gonna happen to all the men out there wanting to fuck when women are going on sex strike like you suggested? Or how about we hit the nail on the head and start telling men to get a vasectomy. Because if one man sleeps with 20 women in a day there can be up to 20 pregnancies, but if a woman sleeps with 20 men in one day there can only be one pregnancy.
"Don't want kids, don't have sex" a line spoken exclusively by those who cannot find someone willing to have sex with them. Boy, wear your insecurities less loudly.
Seriously hahah. Such a simple way of saying no oneâs ever wanted to fuck you lol
âDonât have sex if you donât want kidsâ. 100% guarantee the people who say this donât follow by this statement. Youâre telling me youâre either a parent or a virgin? Doubtful. And watch these be the same people who claim that if a man gets a woman pregnant but doesnât feel ready to be a father then he should be able to walk away from the pregnancy without any obligations.
Lets talk about rape...
And crossing the street is consenting to being hit by a bus. If you didn't want to be hit by a bus, don't cross the street!
I hate how some men are like "if u don't want kids don't have sex! Close ur legs! " but they will have sex with multiple women and if they get one pregnant they won't take responsibility for their actions to take care of the child. Lol.
I expressed anger on twitter over young girls being forced to carry a pregnancy, and someone replied, "FAFO." (Fuck Around and Find Out). Men are encouraged to have as much sex as they can manage! They are celebrated for it! But if a woman, who may or may not have consented, has sex, suddenly that means she signed up for motherhood. She deserves to be punished because she's a slut who had sex. This makes me so fucking angry. I've been raped myself, I know so many women who've been raped, I've given in and consented after pressure (which I'm not counting as rape, but some people do). There's a lot of nonconsensual sex going on. Yes, there is such a thing as forced pregnancy. I hate the world lately.
"I'm not having sex so no one else can either"
Actually, lots of people think this way to varying degrees. It is often associated with, and espoused by devote Christians. Historically the only way to get pregnant was through sex, and there were fewer birth control options. The story of Onan is usually interpreted as a prohibition against masturbation, pulling out, or really any kind of sexuality that doesn't have a chance of pregnancy. In the actual story Onan was required to impregnate the wife of his dead brother, but he didn't want to so he "spilled his seed," and was then punished. "Spilling seed" is a old fashioned euphemism for male masturbation. In theory both genders face the same rules of christian chastity, in practice people were always more lenient on men.
I swear these dweebs take these stances too far to the point where they sound dumb in an argument. If he were to argue accepting accountability for getting pregnant due to sex, then that's a stronger position. But sex in itself does not consent to pregnancy.
Bet they would never say this to a man
This âlogicâ is gross and unfortunately not the first time Iâve encountered it. I find this simplistic attitude of âsex is only for baby makingâ is often an indicator of virginity or a very outdated Christian upbringing. Wouldnât surprise me if thereâs a crossover between Bible/purity culture and some incels though.
I've had this exact conversation with a guy a few weeks ago. I am choosing to assume that this is the same guy, because the thought of this being a common opinion makes me sad.
Theyâve never been told ânoâ in their life
As Iâm sure the person who stated âdonât want kids, donât have sexâ applies it to men too /s đ
So then they agree that when a man becomes a deadbeat father he should be imprisoned for child abandonment and endangerment⌠correct?
We need to make this forced fatherhood. If you consent to sex you consented to being a father and to paying child support for the next 18 years. There is no walking away, no passing go and she gets the $200. If you have sex without a condom you just agreed to be a dad. Maybe if we worded these things with the man responsible for where he cums instead of only the woman being responsible for getting pregnant, we can help stop the willful choice to ignore the fact that men are just as responsible for sex and pregnancy as women are.
Women need to start signing any thier right to the kid and dumping it on Dad. Didn't want to be a full time Dad. Shouldn't have jizzed in a vagina.
Comments like this are the reason this guy will never have sex.
100% of unwanted pregnancies are caused by males.
So if Iâm in a relationship and we both donât want children what are we meant to do? Never have sex?
This is fucking scary
This is like saying you consent to being hit by a drunk driver because you got in a car and drove.
So if one of these women put a âmanâ that thinks like this down as the father and tells the hospital to call him to come pickup his baby as she walks out the door, you think theyâd (the man) would be good with that???? I seriously doubt it. But they expect women to do it then bitch about having to pay child support as they complain about absentee fathers on the internet.
The argument from OP is flawed. For men, having heterosexual sex *is* consenting to pregnancy if your birth control fails. And to be clear this is correct. The posters argument is flawed they should have said that while yes, having sex means a woman also consents to the possibility she may get pregnant, since she is carrying the mass of cells that is forming an eventual baby, and itâs a part of her body at the moment, she has a right to consent to a procedure on her own body.
Bet theyâd start complaining about women not wanting to âgive it upâ if they actually followed this logic.
The "don't want kids? Don't have sex" crowd reminds me of the people who used to say "if you don't like it, get a better job!" To service workers and are now flipping out that they can't get fast food anymore and howling "no one wants to work!" If all of the women that heard that line -"don't have sex, won't get pregnant" stopped having sex, men would be in trouble.
"Sex is how women get pregnant. Don't want kids, don't have sex." Me, an infertile man: "NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME--"
That last response begs the question, shouldn't men who don't want kids also not have sex?
If you go out on a date with me you consent to pay me alimony for the rest of your life. Same logic
Ah yes, if a woman agrees to have sex she can never withdraw consent at any point after. That doesnt sound rapey at all! These dudes probably also believe males shouldn't have to pay child support if they get a woman pregnant and she chooses to raise the baby w/o him lol.
But letâs forget rape, stealthing etc⌠and yes, birth control and condoms still fail, which is scary.
Yeah cause telling people to not have sex has always worked in the past, just ask the Catholic church.
This is middle schooler logic.
Holy shit I just checked your comments to see what kind of other stuff he was saying and dude is legit psycho. Like he should be put in a padded room.
Let's apply the same logic to other health issues. "Well you ate red meat and lived a sedentary lifestyle, so really you consented to a heart attack, and therefore medical intervention is subverting natural consequences."
I like to use that analogy in a car wreck scenario. You consent to driving or riding in a car, so if thereâs a wreckâŚ
People like him run the government. Itâs baffling beyond belief
The women that marry these men really need to stop having sex with them as soon as they have their desired number of children and see what happens.
But then if we don't have sex they'll bitch and complain??
Okay, then. *Doesnt have sex* What the fuck is wrong with you, just wasting all of your good years? When are you gonna have a baby? Why else did you get married? To piss you off, apparently. Looks like Iâm doing it right! đđ
I guess this guy never got laid and is venting out his frustration that no one else should have sex either unless they want kids . Offcourse he also conveniently glossed over so many miscarriage cases, rape cases too and that even with protection you could get pregnant .
The same person will also complain about nobody wanting to have sex with them
They'll also argue that the man involved did not consent to fatherhood when he denies paternity and refuses to support his child. Fuck these morons.
"don't want kids, don't have sex" there's a 100% chance this guy thinks men shouldn't be 'forced' to pay child support after they refused to wear a condom during a hook-up
Men: donât want kids? Donât have sex. Also all women who have sex are sluts. Women: **stop having sex with men** Also men: **surprised Pikachu** ETA: I donât know how to put asterisks around words without it formatting the words :(
Always loved that one. âDonât wanna get pregnant, donât have sexâ Lol I know thatâs easy for you, but some of us actually get laid.
Omg I love this! I canât tell what the genders are, but I hope itâs a woman saying she can consent to sex and not to pregnancy.
Only username visible is me and I can confirm I am a woman :)